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empathy
09-29-2008, 05:50 PM
Alright alright, I don't know whats going to happen now. but it made me feel good... how about you?

*Re-edit*
Well obviously this isn't over. And the mainstream media isn't helping much, I can only hope people are waking up to this.

This is the world we live in. I keep expecting to wake up again.

Down with the fiat empire!
Down with the Banks!

Hypnotize
09-29-2008, 05:58 PM
226-nay 207-yea. dow is down nearly 500 points

gazbom
09-29-2008, 06:05 PM
Dow Jones plunges as US lawmakers appear close to rejecting $700bn package to bail out Wall Street. Stock markets tumble around the world!

Hypnotize
09-29-2008, 06:08 PM
its over and its been rejected

Hypnotize
09-29-2008, 06:09 PM
its over and the bill was rejected

Alexandra
09-29-2008, 06:10 PM
:original:

Stephen
09-29-2008, 06:11 PM
Here is the CNN NEWS Link: http://money.cnn.com/2008/09/29/news/economy/bailout/index.htm?cnn=yes

Love/Light 13
09-29-2008, 06:11 PM
"THE BAILOUT HAS FAILED"................Big day for middle America. Thank you Ron Paul for convicing people to call their congressperson at a rate of 200 to 1 on the NAY side of the bill. HUGE day for America!! It appears the Neo-cons have lost complete control of their party, and this is really big........sorry if this post is all over the place I am more proud of this country than I have been in a while, and I am PUMPED up!

**************

may WISDOM guide COMPASSION

"out of MANY, we are ONE"

gazbom
09-29-2008, 06:12 PM
its over and its been rejected
It's a done bun, can't be undone!

3Dprisoner
09-29-2008, 06:13 PM
I thought the anchors at CNN were going to fall on the floor and start crying their corporately funded/controlled eyes out.
They were cheering so hard for the measure that they reminded me of the Fox/Fix news cheerleading squad during the Iraq invasion. :mfr_lol:

Swamisalami
09-29-2008, 06:13 PM
Whoppa, here we go.

visual co-creator
09-29-2008, 06:15 PM
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ghglenn
09-29-2008, 06:15 PM
Not done yet! Move to have a re-vote has been put on the floor...stay tuned.

empathy
09-29-2008, 06:16 PM
Wrong!!!!
Go back to the news. They have just motioned and agreed to a whole new vote.

Of course there will be a new vote.

The point is. And this is important. THE BILL WAS REJECTED. so where to go from here? I don't know, but I hope they produce something better....

Seva
09-29-2008, 06:19 PM
There is goes! DOW 10,642.62 -500.51 Sep 29 2:14pm ET :yikes:

Ok so what do you wanna bet it hits when it closes?

im betting just around 10k :P

gazbom
09-29-2008, 06:20 PM
Of course there will be a new vote.

The point is. And this is important. THE BILL WAS REJECTED. so where to go from here? I don't know, but I hope they produce something better....
They are moving the goalposts!

ADAM KADMON
09-29-2008, 06:20 PM
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Powerinourhandsl
09-29-2008, 06:21 PM
Well it was a loose , Loose situation, But the democratic one won. That will put Bush in a corner. Might get very nasty now but Round one to us ...

Keep the positive vibe going and suround them with love!!

EYES WIDE OPEN
09-29-2008, 06:21 PM
lets hope that when or if it passes, its in a form that is a million miles away from what bush wants & from where it started.

Pure_energy
09-29-2008, 06:23 PM
Tomorrow for me is the beginning of the end.... I think with or without the money their plan is righ on track. If they have the money they will loose them out and make even more debt to the goverment and if they dont have the money is just easier for the banks to blame of the goverment and brake like domino efect. Lets wait and see. I wish I could do more than just watch and wait.

EYES WIDE OPEN
09-29-2008, 06:23 PM
lets hope that when or if it passes, its in a form that is a million miles away from what bush wants & from where it started.

yes, this is good news but do we really need 5 threads about the same thing. The mods need to be on the ball & merge the threads. Also, it wouldnt hurt for people to actually look the forums before they post.

Stephen
09-29-2008, 06:26 PM
So what is next?

Is Martial Law going to be implemented?

Will the Elections be 'Postponed'?

I am a bit more then nervose about all of this...

empathy
09-29-2008, 06:28 PM
So what is next?

Is Martial Law going to be implemented?

Will the Elections be 'Posponed'?

I am a bit more then nervose about all of this...

Yes, martial law is imminent in my mind... I can't imagine anything else. We will just have to wait and see.

Jeffrey
09-29-2008, 06:30 PM
Listem To Alex Jones Live NOW!!!
http://www.infowars.com/stream.pls

ghglenn
09-29-2008, 06:30 PM
Marshall law won't be declared until "something" happens. Don't panic...yet.:mfr_omg:

Steve_A
09-29-2008, 06:35 PM
Hi ghglenn,

Some sort of social control I would imagine will start when the queues in the banks get too long and money runs out, also when the houses start getting re-possesed.

I could understand it if tomorrow there would be people clambering over the banks to get their savings.

Best regards,

Steve





Marshall law won't be declared until "something" happens. Don't panic...yet.:mfr_omg:

gazbom
09-29-2008, 06:36 PM
Hi ghglenn,

Some sort of social control I would imagine will start when the queues in the banks get too long and money runs out, also when the houses start getting re-possesed.

I could understand it if tomorrow there would be people clambering over the banks to get their savings.

Best regards,

Steve
Dow down 600 points, billions lost in seconds.
Most nay's come from the Republicans!

Zarathustra
09-29-2008, 06:38 PM
It's not over yet, I just placed another call to my Rep. Everyone call and encourage everyone you know to call! It's not over yet!

Zarathustra
09-29-2008, 06:41 PM
It's not over yet, I just placed another call to my Rep. Everyone call and encourage everyone you know to call! It's not over yet!

ghglenn
09-29-2008, 06:42 PM
I don't see the bail-out keeping the collapse from happening...It will pass, it won't make a difference. Marshall law will come, just don't see it happening yet. My .02 .

stresswon
09-29-2008, 06:44 PM
Well it was a loose , Loose situation, But the democratic one won.

well, I know many of the GOP were against it. (good to see some of the Reublican values half alive) Most of the Dems were for it I believe,,,either way,,,take that Wall Street! :mfr_lol:

Xmen442002
09-29-2008, 06:46 PM
This is going to be bad. China will make the call on our debt to them tomorrow. The levy is breaking apart.

I now have a little respect for congress.


Xmen

pineal-pilot-in merkabah
09-29-2008, 06:47 PM
remember the billion and trillions that will be wiped off the stock market never existed anyway.. the dollar will collapse regardless. the question is what will replace it and how long the depression will be. i get the feeling the NWO wont taek no for an answer. last week they already bailed out to the tune of 900 billion in one week!!!!!!!! alex jones talkeda bout how the 700 billion ios a boit of a smoke screen, but at least it amy havfe stopped the 5 trillion more ,,,, who knows..

pineal-pilot-in merkabah
09-29-2008, 06:49 PM
it will collapse its either you or the banks that pay.. keep ringing to make sure its the banks.. pray they dont go nuts and haarp california or go to war.. peace

Zarathustra
09-29-2008, 06:55 PM
repeat...

It's not over! They will try again. Keep calling!

gazbom
09-29-2008, 06:56 PM
it will collapse its either you or the banks that pay.. keep ringing to make sure its the banks.. pray they dont go nuts and haarp california or go to war.. peace
I don't think the banks will pay somehow, we will have to pay, for their greed!
Tax rises on the way.

MrSpoon
09-29-2008, 06:57 PM
dbbl post

mntruthseeker
09-29-2008, 06:58 PM
love you Ron Paul thanks for being YOU

Thank God our prayers are being answered. No stopping now!

Stand proud Americans !!!!!

Alysse
09-29-2008, 06:59 PM
Maybe martial law only comes to those who believe it will. Change your belief's and change your future....co-create a positive future rather than talking about it being the beginning of the end....how about the beginning of the beginning?:wink2:Yes, martial law is imminent in my mind... I can't imagine anything else. We will just have to wait and see.

MrSpoon
09-29-2008, 07:04 PM
I if it anything like the EU constitution, they will force it through some how no matter how much the people don’t want it. just remeber to keep an eye out for other stories that could use the no vote as cover.

The phrase "a very good day to get out anything we want to bury" (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/1588323.stm)comes to my mind


Alysse your post is very hard to read with blue on blue colour :)

THE PEACEFUL WARRIOR
09-29-2008, 07:06 PM
:yikes::yikes::yikes::yikes::yikes::yikes::yikes:
Whoooo Hoooo...here go the dominoes!

Hold on to your hats Guys and Gals...
"Coz Kansas just went bye byes"!

This is all planned, they WANT the economy to TANK!

Don't believe their spin, everyones blaming everyone, but this HAS ALL BEEN PLANNED!

October will be a month like no other before it!

Don't buy into the fear, love your friends and families, kiss your cats and dogs and go hug a tree!

Big Love to ALL...

PEACE OUT

:yikes::yikes::yikes::yikes::yikes::yikes::yikes:

tdc1188
09-29-2008, 07:06 PM
Alright alright, I don't know whats going to happen now. but it made me feel good... how about you?

Im not sure if this is good or bad....doesn't this failure of the bill set up the possibilty for Bush to declare a National emergency? Wasn't the failure of this bill apart of the plan?

gazbom
09-29-2008, 07:09 PM
Pelosi, "deal can still be done."
Bush "We face collapse!"
Financial markets around the world holding their breath!
100's of millions to wiped off the Dow!

ADAM KADMON
09-29-2008, 07:29 PM
Down to -750, 3 minutes to go before they can't close it.

THE eXchanger
09-29-2008, 07:34 PM
xxx

procrastinator
09-29-2008, 07:37 PM
guess i better go buy a new toaster :P

Zarathustra
09-29-2008, 07:38 PM
Everybody,

I agree with the sentiments that there is a plan to destroy the dollar, but TPTB wanted this plan passed so they could loot what was valuable BEFORE that. That is why it is important that we keep the pressure up tomorrow any way we can. I don't pretend that the failure of this bill would be a victory with a captital V, but it is important that they know that Americans are onto the game, and we're not going to take it lying down anymore.

The way I see it, they've already declared war on the American people via destruction of civil liberties and the Constitution, economic depravation, etc... it's time they're aware that WE are aware. Whether we like it or not, the time for declaring sides is arriving...

gazbom
09-29-2008, 07:41 PM
i'll bet they will fall about 18% today

how long til it closes ???

sure glad, that is NOT where i have my money/and, stuff !!!
I'm betting around 10%!

Ampgod
09-29-2008, 07:43 PM
It's a beautiful thing. :) :thumb_yello:



Peace,
Ampgod

THE eXchanger
09-29-2008, 07:46 PM
xxx

Steve_A
09-29-2008, 07:47 PM
Hi gazbom,

If the DOW bursts to around 10% they close the bourse. It shoukld teeter around 5 - 6%. The problem will come overnight when the Asian stock markets open....

Best regards,

Steve


I'm betting around 10%!

ADAM KADMON
09-29-2008, 07:47 PM
DOW is climbing back up, -565 atm. Feds injecting money to keep it up.

BRAZIL however DOWN -6,924.2 -13.64%

THE eXchanger
09-29-2008, 07:49 PM
xxx

Digthearth
09-29-2008, 07:50 PM
OUCH!!!!!, but hey, the sun still rises in the east, for now!

SpeedAdict
09-29-2008, 07:50 PM
Marshall law won't be declared until "something" happens. Don't panic...yet.:mfr_omg:

Hi GHGLENN...

I agree with you.. Even that i'm not from EEUU, the US economy will affect the world economy and affect us all. I'm glad that the plan was rejected. I also agree with you in the form of PLEASE lets come down... Lets try to NOT TO FEED FEAR AND BAD VIBES....

Remember that the ground crew message warns us about panic, ansiety
bad thinking.. Lets be prepare mentally, spiritualy and fisicly for anything to come, because im "pretty shure" that we have not seen the tip of the iceberg YET.

PD: forgive my bad english. I'm spanish speaking/writting

Peace and love for all of you great people :thumb_yello:

RaKaR
09-29-2008, 07:50 PM
Hi there,

'They' are currently bashing Iran, building up the next malicious step!
see C-SPAN: watch Live: http://www.c-span.org/watch/cs_cspan_wm.asp?Cat=TV&Code=CS

Regards,
RaKar
www.futureofmankind.co.uk

yettyn
09-29-2008, 07:52 PM
It seem a lot of you here find a joy in seing things go south, and that it does it hard like in a nicely bloody hollywood scen... interesting.

lawlessline
09-29-2008, 07:54 PM
The only way forward is to just stand still. Remember your love. It will turn out to be the biggest weapon you have. Love and light to all those across the pond.

LL

Steve_A
09-29-2008, 07:54 PM
Hi ADAM KADMON,

The Bovespa is currently down 9.67%. Secondry markets always take a bigger hit. Also te dollar quotation over the last few days has climbed a great deal. Once again a soft currency over here.

If te big guys in the States are losing money, they take out te mone they put over here to shore up their money. When everything goes well over there they take off the surplus money and stick it to places like over here to make their spread.

The fundamentals of the economy over here are sound (where have I heard that before?). :D

Best regards,

Steve


DOW is climbing back up, -565 atm. Feds injecting money to keep it up.

BRAZIL however DOWN -6,924.2 -13.64%

gazbom
09-29-2008, 07:56 PM
Hi gazbom,

If the DOW bursts to around 10% they close the bourse. It shoukld teeter around 5 - 6%. The problem will come overnight when the Asian stock markets open....

Best regards,

Steve
Thanks for that Steve.

Hi RaKaR!

RaKaR
09-29-2008, 08:03 PM
Hi Yettyn,

I believe that we are not enjoying those terrible things, rather passing over information and staying alert in order to better - emotionally, intellectually and spiritually - face the ever changing reality, be ready and up to the challenge.

Regards,
RaKaR
www.futureofmankind.co.uk

voltron
09-29-2008, 08:07 PM
This is wonderful news. Any delay is helpful. It is strange that Republicans are the ones voting against it. For once they are not in lock step with the president. Thank God!

empathy
09-29-2008, 08:08 PM
They keep adding more numbers to the board.....


-738 on my screen...... What a day.

Ampgod
09-29-2008, 08:09 PM
It seem a lot of you here find a joy in seing things go south, and that it does it hard like in a nicely bloody hollywood scen... interesting.

Its not that we are happy in seeing a blood bath.
It's that we see what this stands for.
The big picture is brighter because of this.
It's a good thing.

PS. All the financial analysts crack me up. Your numbers won't work here.
This was destined to fail from the start as it is a orchestrated event.
Yes, that means pre-planned. It's a forced collapse. Prepare.

Steve_A
09-29-2008, 08:12 PM
Hi empathy,

These are after the bell numbers which are trades that were done in the very last seconds of the trading day and are still being computed in the system. The bell signals the end of trading.

best regards,

Steve

They keep adding more numbers to the board.....


-738 on my screen...... What a day.

mudhog92
09-29-2008, 08:12 PM
It needs to collapse so we can rebuild a system that works . . .

LOCOAZ2008
09-29-2008, 08:14 PM
TRANSLATE PLEASE...

COMO YO VEO LA SITUACION A MAS QUE VIVO EN PERU SUD AMERICA, ES QUE SI LLEGAN A BOTAR A FAVOR DEL PLAN DE LOS $700b, ESO HARA PARAR LAS CAIDAS DE LAS BOLSAS PERO NO POR MUCHO TIEMPO, ADEMAS TIENEN QUE TENER EN CUENTA QUE LO QUE ESTA PASANDO EN LA ECONOMIA ES MUNDIAL...

ACASO EL PROBLEMA DE LAS HIPOTECAS DE LAS CASA EN USA TIENEN QUE VER CON LOS MERCADOS EUROPEOS O ASIATICOS, ¡NO!, Y POR QUE CREEN QUE LAS BOLSAS EN TODO EL MUNDO ESTAN EN PERDIDA DE CASI -5% EN PROMEDIO, SI EL PROBLEMA FUERA SOLO EN EL MERCADO NORTEAMERICANO SOLO EL DOW PERDERIA Y LAS DEMAS BOLSAS DEL MUNDO ESTARIAN NORMAL.

VEAN EL CAMBIO DEL DOLAR CON RESPECTO AL EURO, ESTA EN 1.43, DEBERIA ESTAR EL 1.7 A MAS SI SOLO FUERA PROBLEMA DE LA ECONOMIA AMERICANA PERO NO LO ES.

HE VISTO EN VARIOS FORUMS DECIR QUE EL PUEBLO ESTA LLAMANDO A SUS REPRESENTANTES DEL SENADO A PEDIRLES QUE NO VOTEN A FAVOR, ESO ESTA BIEN SIGANLO HACIENDO, Y VERAN QUE SI EL PLAN NO PASA SERA LO MEJOR PARA USTEDES, LA RESERVA FEDERAL NO ES UNA INSTITUCION DEL GOBIERNO AMERICANO, ES PROPIEDAD DE QUIENES QUIEREN LA RUINA DE AMERICA LOS ILLUMINATI.

SALUDOS.

ADAM KADMON
09-29-2008, 08:16 PM
Markets been closed for 15 minutes, they are still counting up the last minute trades. At 1:15 PST, the DOW is down: -777.68 (6.98%)

THE eXchanger
09-29-2008, 08:20 PM
xxx

carliec
09-29-2008, 08:34 PM
TRANSLATE PLEASE...

COMO YO VEO LA SITUACION A MAS QUE VIVO EN PERU SUD AMERICA, ES QUE SI LLEGAN A BOTAR A FAVOR DEL PLAN DE LOS $700b, ESO HARA PARAR LAS CAIDAS DE LAS BOLSAS PERO NO POR MUCHO TIEMPO, ADEMAS TIENEN QUE TENER EN CUENTA QUE LO QUE ESTA PASANDO EN LA ECONOMIA ES MUNDIAL...

ACASO EL PROBLEMA DE LAS HIPOTECAS DE LAS CASA EN USA TIENEN QUE VER CON LOS MERCADOS EUROPEOS O ASIATICOS, ¡NO!, Y POR QUE CREEN QUE LAS BOLSAS EN TODO EL MUNDO ESTAN EN PERDIDA DE CASI -5% EN PROMEDIO, SI EL PROBLEMA FUERA SOLO EN EL MERCADO NORTEAMERICANO SOLO EL DOW PERDERIA Y LAS DEMAS BOLSAS DEL MUNDO ESTARIAN NORMAL.

VEAN EL CAMBIO DEL DOLAR CON RESPECTO AL EURO, ESTA EN 1.43, DEBERIA ESTAR EL 1.7 A MAS SI SOLO FUERA PROBLEMA DE LA ECONOMIA AMERICANA PERO NO LO ES.

HE VISTO EN VARIOS FORUMS DECIR QUE EL PUEBLO ESTA LLAMANDO A SUS REPRESENTANTES DEL SENADO A PEDIRLES QUE NO VOTEN A FAVOR, ESO ESTA BIEN SIGANLO HACIENDO, Y VERAN QUE SI EL PLAN NO PASA SERA LO MEJOR PARA USTEDES, LA RESERVA FEDERAL NO ES UNA INSTITUCION DEL GOBIERNO AMERICANO, ES PROPIEDAD DE QUIENES QUIEREN LA RUINA DE AMERICA LOS ILLUMINATI.

SALUDOS.


I can see the STATUS TO MORE THAN LIVE IN PERU SOUTH AMERICA IS THAT IF YOU ARRIVE IN FAVOR OF A bounce PLAN FOR $ 700B, ESO HARA STOP THE FALL OF THE BAGS BUT NOT BY MUCH TIME, IN ADDITION TO HAVE TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT THAT WHAT IS DROPPING IN THE WORLD ECONOMY IS ...

ACAS THE PROBLEM OF THE HOUSE OF MORTGAGES IN USA has to do with Asian or European markets, NO!, AND WHY CREATE THAT BAG IN ALL THE WORLD ARE IN LOSS OF NEARLY 5% ON AVERAGE, IS THE PROBLEM JUST OUT IN THE NORTH AMERICAN MARKET ONLY THE DOW lose AND OTHER BAGS OF THE WORLD normally.

They see the dollar against the euro, 1.43 IN, SHOULD BE THE MOST TO 1.7 PROBLEM IS JUST OUT OF THE AMERICAN ECONOMY BUT NO ES LO.

NEW ON SEVERAL FORUMS HE SAY THAT THE TOWN IS CALLING YOUR REPRESENTATIVES TO SENATE ask them not to vote in favor, ESO SIGANLO IS DOING WELL, AND THAT VERAN HAPPENS IF NO PLAN WILL BE THE BEST FOR YOU, THE FEDERAL RESERVE IS NOT AN INSTITUTION OF THE AMERICAN GOVERNMENT IS ABOUT PROPERTY OF AMERICA WANT the ruin of the Illuminati.

GREETINGS.
__________________
WANT TO KNOW THE QUESTION OF INTEGRITY IS A PHYSICAL AND MENTAL

Sorry that was as good as I could get it.

SkyWatcher
09-29-2008, 08:35 PM
Was that -777 (triple 7's)?

empathy
09-29-2008, 08:38 PM
Was that -777 (triple 7's)?

I remember my friend in highschool was really into aleister crowley's book "777"

It is an esoteric number. And I have no idea what it means ^_^ but I definately tought of that when I saw it.

SkyWatcher
09-29-2008, 08:42 PM
Tonight is the night of the New Moon. When you release your intentions for the next month into the Universe. Please carefully choose your intentions tonight, for they will manifest quickly.

Blessings,
Nancy
:harp:

GenerationIke
09-29-2008, 08:45 PM
We cannot panic. We will be all right as long as we think we will be all right. what Capitol Hill needs to realize is that the little man needs to have the bolstering, not the big bank managers.

If they do that, we will be all right. Remember what Andrew Jackson did when he was the prez. He kicked those Federalists right in their kiesters and closed the Federal banks. Then he put all the dollars into wildcat (i.e. locally owned, locally run by the local man banks.) We need to do the same, so the common man can start living free and clear of the economic slave chains the big man has put on all of us and we've been trying to break free of for years.

empathy
09-29-2008, 08:53 PM
We cannot panic. We will be all right as long as we think we will be all right. what Capitol Hill needs to realize is that the little man needs to have the bolstering, not the big bank managers.

If they do that, we will be all right. Remember what Andrew Jackson did when he was the prez. He kicked those Federalists right in their kiesters and closed the Federal banks. Then he put all the dollars into wildcat (i.e. locally owned, locally run by the local man banks.) We need to do the same, so the common man can start living free and clear of the economic slave chains the big man has put on all of us and we've been trying to break free of for years.

Very well put.

But this is not the banks of the 19th century we are dealing with...

yettyn
09-29-2008, 08:54 PM
Hi Yettyn,

I believe that we are not enjoying those terrible things, rather passing over information and staying alert in order to better - emotionally, intellectually and spiritually - face the ever changing reality, be ready and up to the challenge.

Regards,
RaKaR
www.futureofmankind.co.uk

Well I just wonder... a lot of opinions and 'information' passed on here, but how many had actually read the bill? It seem to me, w/o nameing, that for some it's more important to have an option and talk then actually knowing what they are talking about, or beliving in 'something' then actually give effort into finding out, making research etc. like reading the bill to start with. As far as I know it should be available online.

just my reflection...

Zarathustra
09-29-2008, 08:54 PM
The House will reconvene on Thursday. The pressure must be kept up!

Steve_A
09-29-2008, 08:56 PM
As I see the situation, except that I live in Peru, South America is that if you vote in favor of a 700b dollar plan, this would stop the fall of the bourses, but not for much time, actually you need to take into account that what is happening in the econiomy is world wide...

By chance the problem of the house mortgages in the US has anything to do with the European and Asian markets? No! And why beleive that the world bourses are losing almost 5% on average. If the problem is only in the North American market, only th DOW would lose and the other ourses in the world would be normal.

Look at the exchange rate of the $ against the Euro, it's at 1.43, it should be at 1.7, if it was only a problem in the US, but it isn't.

I've seen in various forums decide that the people are calling their representatives in the senate asking them not to vote in favour, and this has been appening well, and you can see that if the plan deosn't pass it will be better for you all. The Federal reserve is not an American government institution, it's the property of who wants the destruction of America, the Iluminati.

Cheers

(Hope that helps ;) )

Best regards,

Steve

I can see the STATUS TO MORE THAN LIVE IN PERU SOUTH AMERICA IS THAT IF YOU ARRIVE IN FAVOR OF A bounce PLAN FOR $ 700B, ESO HARA STOP THE FALL OF THE BAGS BUT NOT BY MUCH TIME, IN ADDITION TO HAVE TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT THAT WHAT IS DROPPING IN THE WORLD ECONOMY IS ...

ACAS THE PROBLEM OF THE HOUSE OF MORTGAGES IN USA has to do with Asian or European markets, NO!, AND WHY CREATE THAT BAG IN ALL THE WORLD ARE IN LOSS OF NEARLY 5% ON AVERAGE, IS THE PROBLEM JUST OUT IN THE NORTH AMERICAN MARKET ONLY THE DOW lose AND OTHER BAGS OF THE WORLD normally.

They see the dollar against the euro, 1.43 IN, SHOULD BE THE MOST TO 1.7 PROBLEM IS JUST OUT OF THE AMERICAN ECONOMY BUT NO ES LO.

NEW ON SEVERAL FORUMS HE SAY THAT THE TOWN IS CALLING YOUR REPRESENTATIVES TO SENATE ask them not to vote in favor, ESO SIGANLO IS DOING WELL, AND THAT VERAN HAPPENS IF NO PLAN WILL BE THE BEST FOR YOU, THE FEDERAL RESERVE IS NOT AN INSTITUTION OF THE AMERICAN GOVERNMENT IS ABOUT PROPERTY OF AMERICA WANT the ruin of the Illuminati.

GREETINGS.
__________________
WANT TO KNOW THE QUESTION OF INTEGRITY IS A PHYSICAL AND MENTAL

Sorry that was as good as I could get it.

yettyn
09-29-2008, 09:16 PM
Its not that we are happy in seeing a blood bath.
It's that we see what this stands for.
The big picture is brighter because of this.
It's a good thing.

PS. All the financial analysts crack me up. Your numbers won't work here.
This was destined to fail from the start as it is a orchestrated event.
Yes, that means pre-planned. It's a forced collapse. Prepare.

It's not that I like what it stands for, and it's not a question of why "we" got here, it's more 'who" a failure scenario at this point will gain!?

It's not a question of IF the 'market' will crash, it when and how I would say.

I can tell though that my 'sources' tell that there will not be a major crash now, it will just look really bad, but stabilize again... for a while.

I do understand the emotional reaction many have though, however emotions is a bad foundation for decisions.

SkyWatcher
09-29-2008, 09:20 PM
May I ask. . .who are your sources?

What they are saying sounds good, but . . . what is meant by "for a while?"

Any clarification would be appreciated.

Thank you,
Nancy

empathy
09-29-2008, 09:27 PM
Thanks Steve!

It was eye popping for me to wake up and watch the debates and then the vote.... It gave me very mixed feelings.

But one thing has not changed today. And that is that our benevolent money masters have an agenda. It seems that the collapse of the American empirical fascist oligarchy has been in the works for a while. to quote a bit from one of Gore Vidal's essays:

Henry Adams, younger brother of politician Brooks Adams, came up with the following fornula : "All civilization is centralization. All centralization is economy." He applies the formula in the following syllogism:"Under economic centralization, Asia is cheaper than europe. The world tends towards economic centralization. Therefore, Asia tends to survive and Europe to perish."

I wish it never happened. This nation has been going in the wrong direction for so long. It was a relief for me to see that bill fail. But I am also equally scared. So nothing changes... the power stays where it's at.

yettyn
09-29-2008, 10:07 PM
May I ask. . .who are your sources?

What they are saying sounds good, but . . . what is meant by "for a while?"

Any clarification would be appreciated.

Thank you,
Nancy

Well let me first say not everything is as it "appears", take as an example the "last minute" development in the bill vote, the little "speech" on the floor by Pelosi, not following script* - do you think that was by incident?

Regarding my sources, there is no "who" really, except myself or put it this way, the only true source is what you find inside your self. You can use the tools** available but the answers comes from listen to your higher self.

I don't take any stand in this "Bill affair" but I find it very educational to study the current happenings. You Americans are up for a lesson though, most of you a though one.

*The speech had an official script note, but the live event came out a bit different. Question is what she really wanted to achieve with that, make sure the deal was done?

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0908/14089.html

** My main tool is Astrology, it works as something of an advisor for my "logic", but answers comes from "within". The astrology also works as something of a "failsafe" to check what come from within not just "appear" to do so. Actually, it's a bit difficult to explain in words so see this just as a try.

Oneness
09-29-2008, 10:35 PM
The only way forward is to just stand still. Remember your love. It will turn out to be the biggest weapon you have. Love and light to all those across the pond.

LL

I second this.

Let us all not forget...this is but a dream. We are trapped in time. Stillness is the pathway to the divine...the pathway to ascension.

Seva
09-29-2008, 10:48 PM
Oh what a tangled web those guys have weaved :lightsabre:

http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k122/Leetah_2006/captcpsnrj65230908203126photo02phot.jpg

Trishsgate
09-29-2008, 10:48 PM
http://newsproject.org/node/130 The End Of Free-Market Fundamentalism? A little over 5 minute video on the situation.
They may try to combine this with another bill at any given point in time so we should stay on top of it. I don't think they are done quite yet. This is good news of how united voices can peacefully change or delay action. Many have mentioned staying calm and composed and I agree.

rainman
09-29-2008, 10:54 PM
This could rise as the best news America had in a long time...
It's better to fall now and immediately start to go up again, than postpone the fall and "climb a few stories" higher... it would hurt much more!
(of course, if you know that the fall CAN'T be avoided)

777 The Great Work
09-29-2008, 10:58 PM
:yikes::yikes::yikes::yikes::yikes::yikes::yikes:
Whoooo Hoooo...here go the dominoes!

Hold on to your hats Guys and Gals...
"Coz Kansas just went bye byes"!

This is all planned, they WANT the economy to TANK!

Don't believe their spin, everyones blaming everyone, but this HAS ALL BEEN PLANNED!

October will be a month like no other before it!

Don't buy into the fear, love your friends and families, kiss your cats and dogs and go hug a tree!

Big Love to ALL...

PEACE OUT

:yikes::yikes::yikes::yikes::yikes::yikes::yikes:
There is a big whole in the TITANIC and we are trying to strike up the Band so we don't here the screaming. We have to stop letting others think for us regardless of the situation.
I agree with you 100%. These guys planned this over 200 years ago. Illuminati protocol number 3 section eleven says

11. THIS HATRED WILL BE STILL FURTHER MAGNIFIED BY THE EFFECTS of an ECONOMIC CRISES, which will stop dealing on the exchanges and bring industry to a standstill. We shall create by all the secret subterranean methods open to us and with the aid of gold, which is all in our hands, A UNIVERSAL ECONOMIC CRISES WHEREBY WE SHALL THROW UPON THE STREETS WHOLE MOBS OF WORKERS SIMULTANEOUSLY IN ALL THE COUNTRIES OF EUROPE. These mobs will rush delightedly to shed the blood of those whom, in the simplicity of their ignorance, they have envied from their cradles, and whose property they will then be able to loot.

12. "OURS" THEY WILL NOT TOUCH, BECAUSE THE MOMENT OF ATTACK WILL BE KNOWN TO US AND WE SHALL TAKE MEASURES TO PROTECT OUR OWN.

ChooseYourLifeNow
09-29-2008, 11:06 PM
Here is Ron Paul's take on the situation. I love him so!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFh6PU6qM9Q&eurl=http://www.campaignforliberty.com/

Dominic
09-29-2008, 11:08 PM
This vote was just a diversion for the real evil that is already going on. When do they need a vote to steal money that is backed by nothing. They are following thru with there controlled plan. The only thing that slows them down is our LOVE. Plan B will be announced tomorrow. I am sure we will not like it.

Peace and love will conquer all.

Rareheart
09-29-2008, 11:13 PM
we all saw this coming...that's why we're here.
we know what we feel.

I ask that we remember our mission at this point.
Project the Love required to ease this transition.

I haven't read the message to the "ground crew"...but I know what it says.

333mark333
09-29-2008, 11:15 PM
This vote was just a diversion for the real evil that is already going on. When do they need a vote to steal money that is backed by nothing. They are following thru with there controlled plan. The only thing that slows them down is our LOVE. Plan B will be announced tomorrow. I am sure we will not like it.

Peace and love will conquer all.

Agree :)

Tsunami
09-29-2008, 11:21 PM
october will truly be a great moment in history

Suriel
09-29-2008, 11:28 PM
I found this on the net.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3255/2899916712_e02e878af8_o.gif

:shocked:

777 The Great Work
09-29-2008, 11:35 PM
Its not that we are happy in seeing a blood bath.
It's that we see what this stands for.
The big picture is brighter because of this.
It's a good thing.

PS. All the financial analysts crack me up. Your numbers won't work here.
This was destined to fail from the start as it is a orchestrated event.
Yes, that means pre-planned. It's a forced collapse. Prepare.

We have forgot how to feel Our intuition lies dormant because we don't use our feelings and listen to our hearts. Even if we make wrong decisions, they are from our feelings and not from what we heard comming out of a box. The Media is the ultimate weapon of choice. It creates the inability to make sound decisions without outside influences.
May God bless those who think they are doing harm and bless those who think they are harmed.

QUESTINY
09-29-2008, 11:41 PM
Here are the links to the bailout bill if you desire to educate yourself on what it says:

Two links...download them now before they disappear.

http://edgruberman.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/ayo08c04_xml.pdf

http://financialservices.house.gov/essa/ayo08c04_xml.pdf

LOCOAZ2008
09-29-2008, 11:42 PM
please translate

ES TIEMPO AQUE LOS QUE TIENEN ALGUN TIPO DE INVERSION Y/O DINERO COMPRE ORO, FISICAMENTE, LEAN ESTO YA HA SIDO POSTEADO AQUI!!!

11. THIS HATRED WILL BE STILL FURTHER MAGNIFIED BY THE EFFECTS of an ECONOMIC CRISES, which will stop dealing on the exchanges and bring industry to a standstill. We shall create by all the secret subterranean methods open to us and with the aid of gold, which is all in our hands, A UNIVERSAL ECONOMIC CRISES WHEREBY WE SHALL THROW UPON THE STREETS WHOLE MOBS OF WORKERS SIMULTANEOUSLY IN ALL THE COUNTRIES OF EUROPE. These mobs will rush delightedly to shed the blood of those whom, in the simplicity of their ignorance, they have envied from their cradles, and whose property they will then be able to loot.

MANAÑA EN LA MAÑANA DESPUES QUE LOS MERCADOS EUROPEOS Y ASIATICOS ABRAN LA FIGURA DEL COLAPSO SERA MUCHO MAYOR, YA EL ORO ESTA EL US$ 905.00 Oz. Y VA HA SUBIR MAS

PAZ Y AMOR

QUESTINY
09-29-2008, 11:48 PM
please translate

es tiempo aque los que tienen algun tipo de inversion y/o dinero compre oro, fisicamente, lean esto ya ha sido posteado aqui!!!

11. This hatred will be still further magnified by the effects of an economic crises, which will stop dealing on the exchanges and bring industry to a standstill. We shall create by all the secret subterranean methods open to us and with the aid of gold, which is all in our hands, a universal economic crises whereby we shall throw upon the streets whole mobs of workers simultaneously in all the countries of europe. These mobs will rush delightedly to shed the blood of those whom, in the simplicity of their ignorance, they have envied from their cradles, and whose property they will then be able to loot.

Manaña en la mañana despues que los mercados europeos y asiaticos abran la figura del colapso sera mucho mayor, ya el oro esta el us$ 905.00 oz. Y va ha subir mas

paz y amor

1ST SENTENCE TRANSLATED
it is a time that those who have some type of investment and/or money buy gold, physically, read this it has already been posted here!!!

LAST SENTENCE TRANSLATED
In the morning the european and asian markets will open and you figure the collapse will be very major, already gold is us$ 905.00 oz. And it will rise more

LOCOAZ2008
09-29-2008, 11:52 PM
Today the Fed pumped $650 billion into the financial system, so what good even is the $700 billion bailout?

This appears to be the first time representatives have been sensitive to their political supporter's strong, yet email expressed feelings.

Hundreds of thousands read this page.

With respect, I urge you to email your representative in the STRONGEST POSSIBLE WORDS what you want done.

Start your message with a large YES or NO with regards to the bailout.

Decide what you want and please act. It takes very little of your time.

http://jsmineset.com/

Jim Sinclair's Commentary

Gold is going to $1200 and then onward to $1650.

The US dollar will trade at .72 -.62 -.52

Gold sharers holding this asset are not going down.

Gold shares are under the Hail Mary play for pool and naked shorts. Lack of an uptick allows shorts to pound away on the downside.

Don't let your emotions drive your reasoning on the many good situations out there.

BarCap sees "perfect storm" for fresh gold spike
Mon Sep 29, 2008 11:04am IST

KYOTO, Japan, Sept 29 (Reuters) - A near "perfect storm" has reformed in the gold market that should drive bullion to new record highs within the next six months, fuelled by a mix of anxious uncertainty and a weaker dollar outlook, a Barclays Capital official said on Monday.

While gold prices may weaken briefly if other markets rally in relief once U.S. legislators gave the greenlight to a $700 billion bailout of the financial system, a reconsideration of gold's merits should propel it beyond the March record of $1,030.80 an ounce, says Jonathan Spall, a director in BarCap's commodities division.

"I think we should make new highs .. .within the next six months, I would've thought," he told journalists at the London Bullion Market Association's annual conference in Kyoto. "We should be in a perfect storm for gold."

The U.S. and European governments have stepped in this month to bail out major banks and financial institutions whose near collapse under the weight of toxic debt triggered the worst crisis in decades and threatened to wreck the world economy. "I was always very sceptical of the argument of gold as a safe haven, but that has changed dramatically for me and for others -- now it's financial institutions themselves that are under threat," he said.

More...

PEACE & LOVE

QUESTINY
09-29-2008, 11:54 PM
$830 Billion marker share was lost in the S&P today.

cynndi
09-29-2008, 11:59 PM
Hello to all , I would like to introduce myself , my name is cynndi and I am from the big island of Hawaii, wow! its all happening now isnt it? You guys lets all hang in there together. Lets all send each powerful energy right now, Time to rise up TOGETHER.

OceanWinds
09-30-2008, 12:01 AM
right on :thumb_yello:... way to go America:biggrin2:

yettyn
09-30-2008, 12:14 AM
Clearly, interests are pushing on to create panic trying to make the scale tip over, forcing the meltdown to eat through the floor, and where do you think you will find your self if that happens?

Well it will fail, just so you know. Don't fall for the games played out here and at other places, just sit still in the boat as it's not time - yet.

LOCOAZ2008
09-30-2008, 12:18 AM
The Voice of the White House



Washington, D.C., September 26, 2008: “After 9/11, George Bush decided to put some hair on his sunken chest and fight a nice big war. The oil people and the Neocons whispered into his hairy ears that he could invade Iraq, save Precious Israel from an enemy and get all kinds of oil for the both of them. George is a nasty piece of work and as crooked as they come so he jammed an Imperial War Decree through a terrified Congress with ease. Now, with other friends of his, the crooked slimeball bankers, in danger of imminent meltdown due to their thievery, George has tried to jam another Imperial Decree through Congress. This one would give him huge amounts of money, unsupervised as to use, and make the docile American people eat the bill. This time a thoroughly discredited Bush has failed in his efforts on behalf of his friends and the American public has become aroused and infuriated to the point where another terrified Congress is refusing to heed the thoroughly discredited Bush. What will eventually happen, no one knows, but we now see that the Bush/Rove Might Republican Machine has run out of gas by the side of the highway and its crew of rodents are fleeing into the nearby woods for protection.



And may I give you several pieces of what I consider sound advice? First, if you have any extra money in one of the bigger banks, take it out and put it in a shoe box in your closet. If these banks start to collapse suddenly, which they are very likely to do, even the Government can’t supply them and their branches with enough paper to cover deposits. The second thought is to take some extra money, assuming you have any, and buy gold with it. Get this from a reputable coin dealer and buy older European gold coins like British Sovereigns and Half Sovereigns, French or Swiss francs. Keep away from weird gold from small countries…very hard to sell if you need to….and never, never buy gold and let some big company help you out by insisting they will store it in their “safe vaults.” Hah! And off to Aruba with them for sun and fun and their loot into Lichtenstein banks. Keep the money where you can get at it. Banks can no longer be trusted as we have found out the hard way.”

http://www.tbrnews.org/Archives/a2878.htm

US Mint suspends sale of 24-karat gold coins

By MARTIN CRUTSINGER (AP Economics Writer)

From Associated Press

September 26, 2008 2:52 PM EDT



WASHINGTON - The U.S. Mint is temporarily halting sales of its popular American Buffalo 24-karat gold coins because it cannot keep up with soaring demand as investors seek the safety of gold in these turbulent economic times.

Mint spokesman Michael White said Friday that the sales were being suspended because demand for the coins, which were first introduced in 2006, has exceeded supply and the Mint's inventory of the coins has been depleted.

The Mint had to temporarily suspend sales of its American Eagle one-ounce (28 gram) gold coins on Aug. 15 and then later that month announced sales of the American Eagle coins would resume under an allocation program to designated dealers.

White said the Mint expected to soon start distributing available Buffalo gold coins through a similar allocation program.


PEACE & LOVE

yettyn
09-30-2008, 12:31 AM
Here is Ron Paul's take on the situation. I love him so!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFh6PU6qM9Q&eurl=http://www.campaignforliberty.com/
Well I must say I am not sure about this guy, from a perspective outside of US, don't forget that this guy, if I have understood it correctly, are up for re-election to the Congress, also that he tried to run for President... and you may be blinded by the light there but from here it's pretty clear that you need quite a bit of money to even start to think about it...

He might be genuine although he doesn't strike me as someone with a perspective beyond 2012

zorgon
09-30-2008, 01:05 AM
So what is next?
I am a bit more then nervose about all of this...

Well I went to WAMU this morning and found the doors ope... business as usual... accounts intact and my mortgage safe..

The only hint was a form letter from the new CEO that says things will be fine...

So all the panic last thursday seems to be gone :thumb_yello:

Now then the stack market DOWN?

Well get yer butts out of that chair and buy some stocks while you can. Any GOOD company will survive and rise again... its happened before will happen again...

BUT THIS TIME The average Joe can pick up a deal because you don't need huge minimums like during previous crashes...

Get out there and get rich :thumb_yello:

Errrr anyone got a few grand they can spare? I have this deal....:wink2:

MargueriteBee
09-30-2008, 01:25 AM
What if something wonderful comes out of this? What could actually happen that is on the positive side?

LOCOAZ2008
09-30-2008, 01:42 AM
Long term success does not depend upon the positive things that happen to you, but on how you handle adversity.

-Common theme in several notable quotes

Governments everywhere have been slow, and some politicians have been unequivocally unwise. Those in the real estate, mortgage banking, insurance and investment communities who started the mortgage and derivative scandal that we have warned of for six years are to blame, and will carry the stigma for the remainder of their lives. Many will go to jail. Let us hope that we can avoid a great depression, but for now the wise course of action is to continue to protect yourselves

TO PROTECT YOURSELVES

How? In our opinion, you should hold your cash in excess of insured levels in treasury bills, and not money market funds. Hold 10% to 20% gold. Where possible, work to hold assets in private banking institutions where legal documents state that the client assets are not commingled with the assets of the firm or any other depositor. We believe that this is critical. Some people want access to trade via their computer on a daily basis, but typically the firms that provide cheap trades and instant computer access do not provide legal safeguards against commingling that private banks provide.



IT SHOULD BE OBVIOUS BY NOW THAT GOVERNMENTS ARE NOT HONEST WITH THEIR PEOPLE

The U.S. has been in a recession for months, and the only reason that the statistics don't show it is that they are using an inflation number that is much too low. If the real inflation number were to be inserted, we would see that U.S. economic growth is negative...and has been for a long time. Total growth minus inflation is real growth. If total growth is 3% and inflation is 4%, then growth is negative. Currently, total growth is 3%, and they are saying inflation is 1%. This is patently absurd. Some other countries are honest about recession. Recently, New Zealand and Ireland admitted to being in recession. Much of Europe is in recession, and only the Chinese, Brazilian, Indian, and a few emerging economies are growing on a real basis. The question is how much longer can this last?


PEACE & LOVE

777 The Great Work
09-30-2008, 02:37 AM
It needs to collapse so we can rebuild a system that works . . .

No more systems

d. macaluso
09-30-2008, 03:13 AM
No more systems

renouncing circulatory, digestive, central nervous also? please. humanity's constructs are the outcroppings of Universe's expression via biological systems. humankind's world is the world of nature. like a leaf is an extension of a branch and a branch an extension of a trunk.

THE eXchanger
09-30-2008, 03:25 AM
xxx

mudhog92
09-30-2008, 04:18 AM
777, how about no more institutions? ...or poor intentions, or greed, or hypocrisy, or judgement, or jealousy, or anger....any of it could work with the right intentions, but at this level of the game, those with the 'right' intentions are too few and far between. Even on this forum....

ranma187
09-30-2008, 05:19 AM
i will laugh if they try to blame the crash on the american taxpayers since they won't be bailing those suckers out.

Morgan
09-30-2008, 05:35 AM
i will laugh if they try to blame the crash on the american taxpayers since they won't be bailing those suckers out.

Yeah, it will be the fault of the common people! They brought it on themselves, right??
:tongue2:

RubyTuesday
09-30-2008, 05:44 AM
Well I must say I am not sure about this guy, from a perspective outside of US, don't forget that this guy, if I have understood it correctly, are up for re-election to the Congress, also that he tried to run for President... and you may be blinded by the light there but from here it's pretty clear that you need quite a bit of money to even start to think about it...

He might be genuine although he doesn't strike me as someone with a perspective beyond 2012

http://www.ronpaullibrary.org/
More than 1,000 of his speeches and articles published there. He's the real deal and always has been. He only votes in alignment w/our Constitution. There have been countless votes were the final tally was 434-1. He was the 1 dissenting. That's why they call him Dr. No (that plus he has delivered over 4000 babies) .Year after year, vote after vote...never yielding to the corruption. He doesn't take part in the pension program for Congress. He always returns part of his budget back to the treasury. He believes all troops should come home NOW from every base in the world. He has not been bought and lobbyists don't even bother with him anymore. He's amazing. :wub2::wub2::wub2::wub2::wub2:

PaladiN
09-30-2008, 06:32 AM
This realy sux for me, if I sell now I will lose almost half what I paid for my shares ages ago, bloody america sort this **** out now!
I need the market to get back its gains:mad3: damnit every day they delay this bailout is costing me big!

Soon I will have nothing left:thumbdown:

Brinty
09-30-2008, 07:14 AM
renouncing circulatory, digestive, central nervous also? please. humanity's constructs are the outcroppings of Universe's expression via biological systems. humankind's world is the world of nature. like a leaf is an extension of a branch and a branch an extension of a trunk.

And to carry that analogy one step further, a trunk is an extension of something I haven't had in the last 20 years.

But, seriously, think back over mankind's history to before the "Industrial Revolution" in the late 18th and early 19th centuries. There were supposedly only two classes of society - upper and lower. Thanks to that revolution, a middle class was developed. In a nutshell, before that revolution, the lower classes worked and struggled to earn enough to clothe and feed themselves while the upper classes lived the high life on the backs of their hard working and underpaid slaves.

Someone asked how we are going to live in a world without electrical services. It won't be easy, but mankind had done it for thousands of years. This is a wake-up call. Go to your library, get out books on self sufficiency - how to prepare the land for planting, how to tend the crops, how to use nature to find water - the list of possibilities is almost endless.

If you can find a copy, John Seymour's "The Complete Book of Self-Sufficiency" is a good start. It was first published in Great Britain by Faber and Faber in 1976. ISBN 0 571 11095 9. It is truely a wonderful book and a "MUST HAVE" for any group who wishes to be independent of bureaucracy.

BUT, like that old advertisement for a brand of hair conditioner, "It won't happen over night, but it will happen." So go look for that book now and start to practise what it says. It will help to keep you busy and focused while the rest of the world is running around like a chook with its head cut off. :cheers:

peaceandlove
09-30-2008, 09:01 AM
This was a comment posted at Ron Paul's campaignforliberty.com website today. The new and improved campaignforliberty.com debuts tomorrow. Check it out.

Ron Paul did introduce a bill back in June to abolish the Fed. You can search for a copy of it on his website: campaignforliberty.com:trumpet:


EVERYONE LISTEN UP THE VOTE IS MEANINGLESS. THE FED DOES NOT NEED CONGRESSES APPROVAL. THEY STILL MADE 600 BILLION OUT OF THIN AIR TODAY. THE ONLY THING TO STOP THE FED IS TO ABOLISH IT. IN APRIL 2008 GWB GAVE THE FED TOTAL CONTROLL OVER ALL MONETARY POLICY. WE LOST OUR FREEDOM IN APRIL. SITE MANAGER TELL THESE PEOPLE THE TRUTH. THIS VOTE DOES NOT MEAN A THING. HERE IS A LINK IF YOU DON’T BELIEVE ME. http://www.jbs.org/index.php/jbs-news-feed/14-latest-treasury-moves-give-more-control-to-the-federal-reserve STOP BEING SHEEP.

Steve_A
09-30-2008, 09:31 AM
Hi zorgon,

I'm sure that the CEO from WAMU will not scream, "Run for the hills! - it's over!!." But that's another story.

I agree with you about buying cheap stocks however I still feel the markets will fall furthwer and the real bargains are to be made later on.

Yesterday with the fall of 777 on the DOW took off 1 trillion 200 billion US from the market which mostly came from the banking sector (I have to ask you if really you beleive your money is safe) that is almost the DOUBLE of what the government was asking for to - and it must be said cleary - GAMBLE with public money to try and save these institutions. If they have lost almost the double and are still in business, what would 700billion US have done? As I see it, would have just protected their bottom line.

I also don't think that the crisis will affect the good creditors on the high street, however it will make credit more expensive (if the banks survive and according to your CEO from WAMU that's going to happen).

So as I see it, bums can stay in seats for the time being in relation to the DOW, but I for one would be one of the first in line to take my live cash out of the bank. But that's me. :)

Best regards,

Steve



Well I went to WAMU this morning and found the doors ope... business as usual... accounts intact and my mortgage safe..

The only hint was a form letter from the new CEO that says things will be fine...

So all the panic last thursday seems to be gone :thumb_yello:

Now then the stack market DOWN?

Well get yer butts out of that chair and buy some stocks while you can. Any GOOD company will survive and rise again... its happened before will happen again...

BUT THIS TIME The average Joe can pick up a deal because you don't need huge minimums like during previous crashes...

Get out there and get rich :thumb_yello:

Errrr anyone got a few grand they can spare? I have this deal....:wink2:

Lance
09-30-2008, 09:40 AM
No more systems

You mean of course "cystems"!

Lance
09-30-2008, 09:42 AM
Hi zorgon,

I'm sure that the CEO from WAMU will not scream, "Run for the hills! - it's over!!." But that's another story.

I agree with you about buying cheap stocks however I still feel the markets will fall furthwer and the real bargains are to be made later on.

Yesterday with the fall of 777 on the DOW took off 1 trillion 200 billion US from the market which mostly came from the banking sector (I have to ask you if really you beleive your money is safe) that is almost the DOUBLE of what the government was asking for to - and it must be said cleary - GAMBLE with public money to try and save these institutions. If they have lost almost the double and are still in business, what would 700billion US have done? As I see it, would have just protected their bottom line.

I also don't think that the crisis will affect the good creditors on the high street, however it will make credit more expensive (if the banks survive and according to your CEO from WAMU that's going to happen).

So as I see it, bums can stay in seats for the time being in relation to the DOW, but I for one would be one of the first in line to take my live cash out of the bank. But that's me. :)

Best regards,

Steve


Good time to buy AEM!

Avid
09-30-2008, 10:27 AM
All the trillions of $'s of bullion here (http://ming.tv/flemming2.php/__show_article/_a000010-000923.htm) should be returned to the rightful owners..... The Public, the people who have been robbed.
Depository Trust & Clearing Corporation.....

Original article link was taken down - it had pix of the vast stash of bars in vaults deep under NYC. And that was only 1 location....

eaglespirit
09-30-2008, 10:45 AM
We ARE turning the corner...right now!

We will be doing transactions with one another personally on a handshake, a pat on the back, a hug, simple bartering...moreso than ever before!

Clusters of "new" Family/Friends will gather to help one another.

The $BIG LIE$ and everything non-ethical connected to it directly and indirectly is imploding ALL for the good and all in doubletime and all in the now.

Money matters ARE becoming NON-matter!

Help One Another Unconditionally...You Will be Guided if You Ask from the Heart!

THE PEACEFUL WARRIOR
09-30-2008, 11:06 AM
There is a big whole in the TITANIC and we are trying to strike up the Band so we don't here the screaming. We have to stop letting others think for us regardless of the situation.
I agree with you 100%. These guys planned this over 200 years ago. Illuminati protocol number 3 section eleven says

11. THIS HATRED WILL BE STILL FURTHER MAGNIFIED BY THE EFFECTS of an ECONOMIC CRISES, which will stop dealing on the exchanges and bring industry to a standstill. We shall create by all the secret subterranean methods open to us and with the aid of gold, which is all in our hands, A UNIVERSAL ECONOMIC CRISES WHEREBY WE SHALL THROW UPON THE STREETS WHOLE MOBS OF WORKERS SIMULTANEOUSLY IN ALL THE COUNTRIES OF EUROPE. These mobs will rush delightedly to shed the blood of those whom, in the simplicity of their ignorance, they have envied from their cradles, and whose property they will then be able to loot.

12. "OURS" THEY WILL NOT TOUCH, BECAUSE THE MOMENT OF ATTACK WILL BE KNOWN TO US AND WE SHALL TAKE MEASURES TO PROTECT OUR OWN.

Hi 777,
Thanks for the reply...

I am glade that someONE finally gets it!

There is NO POINT discussing the numbers and ignoring the facts, meaning...

THE FACT is this WHOLE CHARADE is PLANNED, p-lease people wake up and smell the roses, even the 'rejection' is planned to continue the destruction of the markets and drop the value of everything further!

What no here seems to realise that this is one thing and one thing only - THE FAILIURE and PLANNED DESTRUCTION of CAPITALISM.

It was 'flawed' from the start coz it was ALL BASED ON GREED!

Interesting eh when you consider who are the TWO strongest economies in the world now, RUSSIA and CHINA, so that should tell you something about capitalism.

Please nbote guys and gals it's NOT JUST AMERICA, take a look across your shores and you will see the capitalist system is imploding around the globe!

Finally REMEMBER THE BIGGER PICTURE...

IT is ALL exactly as iy's meant to be, meaning the collapse of money and finance IS part of the GLOBAL AWAKENING OF MANKIND.

Take care out there ya all and be gentle with yourselves.

Big Love, One Love, One World...

THE PEACEFUL WARRIORS x

:yikes::yikes::yikes::yikes::yikes::yikes::yikes:: yikes::yikes::yikes:

THE eXchanger
09-30-2008, 02:26 PM
so, what's up today ???

Steve_A
09-30-2008, 02:27 PM
Hi eXchanger,

Up till this point, the DOW.

best regards,

Steve

so, what's up today ???

SkyWatcher
09-30-2008, 04:09 PM
People are starting to buy stocks at a cheap price. They are no longer inflated. It is the people of the US and the world that are pushing the market up. The marked did not go down, as predicted by the PTB and talking heads.

People need to see that there is no great hurry to get a bail-out passes, unless it is to save Bush's tush.

Alysse
09-30-2008, 04:41 PM
If you don't sell, you don't lose. The market will come back. If you are diversified in good long standing companies and don't have all your eggs in one basket you should be fine. At least that's what we're doing. We are just holding tight, not giving into the fear and waiting for the marekts to adjust as they have done before...and even worse times than this.

I watched a British film over the weekend and it was a good eye opener. It was Britain in WWII and how people had to send their children away to live with strangers so they could serve in the war effort or to get them out of the big cities. How many of us have had to do that? We don't know what hard times are because we haven't had to live through what our grandparents did. There is a lot of encouraging buying on our markets today - to sell would not serve the purpose of keeping the markets going - not to mention you would lose your butt. Just my humble opinion

This realy sux for me, if I sell now I will lose almost half what I paid for my shares ages ago, bloody america sort this **** out now!
I need the market to get back its gains:mad3: damnit every day they delay this bailout is costing me big!

Soon I will have nothing left:thumbdown:

MaskMarvl
09-30-2008, 05:15 PM
If you don't sell, you don't lose. The market will come back...


I beg to differ... Sell or not I think everyone will lose.

Like someone said above, it's like the Titanic sinking... there's nothing anyone can do to save it.

What can you expect when they're spending Trillions on a never-ending war they can't afford? No amount of "newly printed money" will fix things.

To me, it's just so obvious that they're purposely bankrupting the U.S.

If they (the government) had any common sense, they would have immediately stopped all the wasteful spending on the stupid war and global military presence... (like Ron Paul said).

jazket
09-30-2008, 05:26 PM
They refused the bill.. they cant vote for the same bill... its plunged... but they're coming up with something similar, as they speak bout it today... what now...??? let's sit and wait... like some one here said "I wish there was something we could do other than seat and wait"
:lightsabre:

eaglespirit
09-30-2008, 05:31 PM
They refused the bill.. they cant vote for the same bill... its plunged... but they're coming up with something similar, as they speak bout it today... what now...??? let's sit and wait... like some one here said "I wish there was something we could do other than seat and wait"
:lightsabre:

"I wish there was something we could do other than sit and wait"


Help One Another Unconditionally...You Will be Guided if You Ask from the Heart!


http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=3714&page=5

SkyWatcher
09-30-2008, 05:38 PM
What, can we do, call, e-mail, fax.
Who, Congressmen and Senators.
When, over and over again.
Why, because the Gov. will come again, with a "bill with a new name."
Where will it take us, hopefully to a better future.

Blessings to you,
Nancy
:harp:

Waterman
09-30-2008, 05:43 PM
It's time to make calls, faxes, emails.

It is time to rattle their cages.

We need to sharpen out sticks,
they are coming back for more.

One battle doesn't usually win
the war.

They will try again.

To find out what we at Avalon
are doing to stop this mess
go here.

http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=3675

Then go here to learn how.
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/Nichols-live

Join us Wed. and Thur. at the above link
at 11am to find out how.

Alysse
09-30-2008, 06:56 PM
I certainly agree that we should not have a global presence. For instance Korea. They are smart people, i.e. Samsung, LG, Hyundai, Kia, etc. etc. so they certainly can guard their own borders at the point. That goes the same for Germany and most of the rest.

I think we all need to concentrate and educate our selves on the financials and keep our own finances in order and let those fail that need to fail. I don't see this whole thing going down the tubes. I think all these dire visions are not etched in stone, I think they are "could be's" and can be averted. There are going to be rocky times but I do not buy a global annihilation. This new energy is sweeping clean just like a new broom and we can start fresh but you don't throw the baby out with the bathwater.

I beg to differ... Sell or not I think everyone will lose.

Like someone said above, it's like the Titanic sinking... there's nothing anyone can do to save it.

What can you expect when they're spending Trillions on a never-ending war they can't afford? No amount of "newly printed money" will fix things.

To me, it's just so obvious that they're purposely bankrupting the U.S.

If they (the government) had any common sense, they would have immediately stopped all the wasteful spending on the stupid war and global military presence... (like Ron Paul said).

MaskMarvl
09-30-2008, 08:40 PM
Well... I really hope you're right! :original:

I guess we'll have to wait and see how all this unfolds...

Galatea
09-30-2008, 11:21 PM
The game begins children, hold onto your hats!

LOCOAZ2008
09-30-2008, 11:46 PM
Posted On: Tuesday, September 30, 2008, 5:25:00 PM EST

Help Put An End To Financial Fabrication

Author: Jim Sinclair










Dear Friends,

Please stop being spectators and put an end to financial fabrication!

Get involved in the Wall Street Bailout Bill.

If this bill is passed financial institutions will be freed from fair accounting rules that require them to reveal the true market value of the value-less paper they hold. That would allow them to continue lying about their solvency.

You simply must not let that happen. It legislates financial fabrication!

This is the first time in my 67 years that legislators are listening to the public, so please tell them what you want on this bill, whether it be yes or no, but do not support lying as an economic tool.

Have we not already had ENOUGH of fabricated, spun, mistruths?

Vote No against a change in Fair Accounting Rules. Vote any way you wish on the rest of this meaningless exercise.

The following is a contact list of Republicans who voted for the Bailout. Contact them and voice your opinions!

http://jsmineset.com/cwsimages/Miscfiles/6619_List_of_Republicans.pdf

PEACE & LOVE

yettyn
10-01-2008, 12:25 PM
http://www.ronpaullibrary.org/
More than 1,000 of his speeches and articles published there. He's the real deal and always has been. He only votes in alignment w/our Constitution. There have been countless votes were the final tally was 434-1. He was the 1 dissenting. That's why they call him Dr. No (that plus he has delivered over 4000 babies) .Year after year, vote after vote...never yielding to the corruption. He doesn't take part in the pension program for Congress. He always returns part of his budget back to the treasury. He believes all troops should come home NOW from every base in the world. He has not been bought and lobbyists don't even bother with him anymore. He's amazing. :wub2::wub2::wub2::wub2::wub2:

Ok thanks Ruby for setting the record strait, I agree he seem to be a honorably man with a firm back bone acting very courageously. IF I was an American I might would have considered him to be my man, but I am not. I will let it stay that way.