There is only one God

[Jma]

I thought it would be wise to post a small contributive post to this notion.
I see "Holy wars!" (jihad ), and people claiming Brahman, Jehovah, Allah, are different, and so wars should be fought in their name.
Can´t people realize there is only one supreme God with many names.

[Ali Quadir]

Amen to that friend...

[colesmommy1117]

i believe spirituality comes from within. people can label it how they choose. people can preach what they think. but in all honesty, it's up to what each individual human being feels in their soul.

[greybeard]

Totaly agree.

We are all, each and every one of us, waves of the Divine Ocean.
The Ocean can say it is the wave but the wave cant say it is the Ocean.

Why worry. God dosent mind what we call Him.

People are at the level of consciousness, different stages of their evolution, they are at, but all souls are equal.

There are three kinds of buisness
Our buisness
Other peoples buisness
Gods buisness.

As long as I look after my buisness my world is good.

Let God do His job and look after the rest.

Ultimately everything is perfection.
Only the ego gets worried.
Perception is flawed because of conditioning.

My thought is that we are all characters in the play, we are on stage for an alloted time then we go home

The problem is only there when we identify so strongly with the body and the story that we believe we are the part we play and that the future death of us is a reality.

Our function in this life is not who or what we are.

Function changes but we are eternal.

The presence that looks through your eyes is the same unchanged pure awareness that you entered this world with and will leave this world with.

The body changes gets old falls over and dies so to speak but what of you?

How can fear exist when there is a belief in One ness?


How can "another" be attacked when it is known that we are all aspects of the One?

Bit by bit all will come to know we are as One and then we will live in harmony.

May Peace and Love be known by all sentinent beings through out the Cosmos

Chris

[tone3jaguar]

It is incredible how large numbers of people have killed each other over symantics for so long. Get ovet it already!

[Steven]

Bump to this post.

One God/Creator indeed.

He is within and without indeed.

Lets Unite all together.

Namaste, Steven

[ChooseYourLifeNow]

We are all god's in practice. Let us see the greatness in ourselves, and all our hopes and dreams will be created.

God is only as judgmental as we are to ourselves. We are loved us so unconditionally that we received us all that we ask for, so be careful what you wish for.

If you wish to know god more, then you must wish to know yourself more.

Love you All,

CYLNow

[Kelle Baley]

Bump to this post.

One God/Creator indeed.

He is within and without indeed.

Lets Unite all together.

Namaste, Steven

Yes, within me, my heart does open to your claims and all like them. We are but passing through and united or separated by the Way in which we hold as truth that then follows with actions. I stand united in spirit with each of you listening now, and also with those that wish they remembered how just now.

"peace is the only thing that you must master -when you do, you will discover something that changes everything "

The Essenes

[Reunite]

We are all Gods in amnesia

[astropsyche]

Totaly agree.

We are all, each and every one of us, waves of the Divine Ocean.
The Ocean can say it is the wave but the wave cant say it is the Ocean.

Why worry. God dosent mind what we call Him.

People are at the level of consciousness, different stages of their evolution, they are at, but all souls are equal.

There are three kinds of buisness
Our buisness
Other peoples buisness
Gods buisness.

As long as I look after my buisness my world is good.

Let God do His job and look after the rest.

Ultimately everything is perfection.
Only the ego gets worried.
Perception is flawed because of conditioning.

My thought is that we are all characters in the play, we are on stage for an alloted time then we go home

The problem is only there when we identify so strongly with the body and the story that we believe we are the part we play and that the future death of us is a reality.

Our function in this life is not who or what we are.

Function changes but we are eternal.

The presence that looks through your eyes is the same unchanged pure awareness that you entered this world with and will leave this world with.

The body changes gets old falls over and dies so to speak but what of you?

How can fear exist when there is a belief in One ness?


How can "another" be attacked when it is known that we are all aspects of the One?

Bit by bit all will come to know we are as One and then we will live in harmony.

May Peace and Love be known by all sentinent beings through out the Cosmos

Chris

[quote] Can I please put in a word for the Goddess? For every father, son and holy ghost there is an equal and opposite mother, daughter and holy spirit. If this human world had not expelled the Goddess from the human experience we would not have to deal with the consequences of male-based world religions and their consequent wars! Rationa, critical left-brained focus without the mitigating balance of sentience, intuition and right-brained human knowledge has led us to where we are - in deadly danger from utter chaos and war. So please spare a thought for the Goddess - Innanna is a good place to begin. peace and passion for all

[Circlewerk]

My 12 year old said this to me about a month or so ago..

" Even though I went to Catholic church with mama, and I heard everything the priest said, I am not so sure there is a separate God, there's too many religions to think only one is right. I am beginning to think that we are all Gods, trying to remember that we are all God's."


I smiled, and my heart soared.

Circles,
CW

[Reunite]

My 12 year old said this to me about a month or so ago..

" Even though I went to Catholic church with mama, and I heard everything the priest said, I am not so sure there is a separate God, there's too many religions to think only one is right. I am beginning to think that we are all Gods, trying to remember that we are all God's."


I smiled, and my heart soared.

Circles,
CW

Another example of why we should be listening to our children :tongue2:

[being]

It is important to contemplate the polytheistic monotheism of the universe. Many expressions of the divine unconcievable thing called God.

God is not any human or divine individual in particular: God is Gods. It is the Army of the Voice, the Great Word, the Creator Logos, the Perfect Multiple Unity.

It is written, Elohim created. This is the word used in the bible however it is hebrew and is wrongly translated. unfortunately it has been interpretted wrongly as God. The real understanding of the word Elohim in its strict sense is Gods and Goddesses.

Uni and verse. In otherwords the verse of one.

[greybeard]

[quote] Can I please put in a word for the Goddess? For every father, son and holy ghost there is an equal and opposite mother, daughter and holy spirit. If this human world had not expelled the Goddess from the human experience we would not have to deal with the consequences of male-based world religions and their consequent wars! Rationa, critical left-brained focus without the mitigating balance of sentience, intuition and right-brained human knowledge has led us to where we are - in deadly danger from utter chaos and war. So please spare a thought for the Goddess - Innanna is a good place to begin. peace and passion for all

Of course you can Astrpsyche

Im sure God dosent mind. I certainly dont.

With Love Chris

[Steven]

My 12 year old said this to me about a month or so ago..

" Even though I went to Catholic church with mama, and I heard everything the priest said, I am not so sure there is a separate God, there's too many religions to think only one is right. I am beginning to think that we are all Gods, trying to remember that we are all God's."


I smiled, and my heart soared.

Circles,
CW

This is connection with the source. Your child is remembering, this is a marvel. I bless you and your child with all my being. Thank you.

Namaste, Steven

[Peer]

I keep wondering why people keep confusing spirituality with religion.

This forum is about spirituality and the first post is: There is only one god...
In christianity yes, in hinduisme no, in paganisme, much older than this very young religion christianity there are many many gods and who would dare to say our ancestors were non-spiritual beings?

Spirituality existed long before mankind and long before religion.

Claiming spirituality exclusively as part of a religion is like the game of Monopoly:
If you win you are the last one at the table, rich but lonely.

Nonetheless: There can be spirituality in religion too although, considering the often showed intolerance by religious people...

I wonder, yes I wonder...

[Kelle Baley]

To the following you stated I agree:

Claiming spirituality exclusively as part of a religion is like the game of Monopoly:
If you win you are the last one at the table, rich but lonely.

Nonetheless: There can be spirituality in religion too although, considering the often showed intolerance by religious people...

I wonder, yes I wonder...
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Yet to your statement below, I wish to shine a light to embellish upon the differences having a place in our 'growing out of a sleepy spiritual adolescence' ...

[QUOTE=Peer;36328][SIZE=3][COLOR=SeaGreen]I keep wondering why people keep confusing spirituality with religion.

To this I reply that we should be fair in considering that many here are just coming out of the sleepy dark to awaken to the reality of what has been happening and How that it took root (which is an important process for our DNA to remember!

That religion exists outside the body and rarely inside it remains what precisely is the culprit for building a false self. The inner Being within is only successful in unifying us with deeper delivery to the spirit of one as one over many many experiences. We are going as fast as we can. Take it from me that those of us at lightening speed are the pioneering forefront that plowed the way to know this humility of which I speak.

The inner relegate or religion is every alive 'now' experience from which our minds link with Divine light. Take it outside and tell everyone from birth that religion is full of ideals to attain and live up to and you reduce that inner knowing that the body teaches to a Null state of awareness which proves that from an empty experience we then allow subjective searching and then a luminal experience of now that Quantifies other to receive our state as awake, aware and ready to inform. Religions that are teachings outside us are the Null portion of this equation. This leaves us in a place to now see what IS missing in action.
We have most of us gone numb by indoctrination to dogmatic thinking and worse; without our humility and compassion from over creating with the mind around all this oppressive and institutionalized ritual called religion.
the key to all questions is simple.......peace. From here Wisdom finds us, not other.

i give you and all of us my own peace. It is ours.

Religion has helped most learn to be accountable for indivduated feeling.
We all find our way back eventually unless we fritter away the opportunities to have things like outer religion to contrast the ether-real issues at the core of personal deception. The process of our awakening together is key to personal distinctions for claiming spiritual sovereignty. Give please to those that are remembering what has happened by your warmth and support the compassion they deserve. peace. Religion precludes our invitation to keep religion inside until we experience it by choice, then there is little to say, only to then experientially share without word. preparation for ascension is not a last minute schooling as some hoped it would be and will discover this perhaps soon.

Defining is not Divining anything: or: Searching is not Knowing but so far we have perhaps learned that selling spiritualism is blindly leading the blind. preparation begins somewhere.
Let us Remember that 'defining' what is now outside us like today's many religions -cannot lead to a Divining of what is -yet within each is a living truth-and so it must be learned first to then be lived free. If we then humble to see from those that taught us the dark lessons, we can then be grateful for the circling back of unending power transferring nothing more than what was needed for both victim and victimizer. Miraculously, our perception widens to unconditionally love and this dissolves the ego; the ultimate goal of those wanting to return to source. For me, this is purpose for spiritually being.

We free ourselves to higher joy; yet doing nothing is a downward act of falling without a rope or hope. WE RISE

[Shechaiyah]

Ps 83:18, there is but one God who takes responsibility for this planet and this solar system and this Galaxy, His Sovereignty.

Amen.

[Swanny]

Religion is a terrible thing, look at all the wars it has caused through out time.
And the bible... What a joke that is, it's been changed and adapted so many times to fit certain times it's a complete joke, you would have to be daft in the head to follow that nonsense.

As Peer said this is a spiritual forum not a religious one.
There is no god get over it :tongue2:

[TranceAm]

"There is only one God"

That is a nice label one can put on :
A closed box,
A jail Cell,
A slave existence,
Or a Kindergarten for mankind.

In an infinity of possibilities,
[B}"God" is but one <as history shows temporary> answer.[/B}

A Disclaimer that should mandatory included by the people that have made a living of controlling your mind and thus your life for blind obedience to them.
Even if one now claims, that if the meme "God" wasn't spoon fed/indoctrinated to one as an idea, one would have invented it by oneself because of its obviousness.

Blasphemy? That is not a/the problem, the problem is that at one time, them "people" would have enraged you to burn me at a stake if I dared to "utter" such words..... And if they had the chance now, they would do exactly the same... (Talk about "Free Choice" or "Love".)

[Swanny]

Nice one Trance
Blasphemy is just a word created by religions to strike fear into those it wants to control.
I do not follow religion so therefore blasphemy is not real.
Relegion is for people who are not strong enough to stand up for themselves.


"Stones sir??"
The life of Brian says it all
:original:

[Peer]

Hey Swanny,
the way you react shows you still didn't get over it but I believe you will one day and you will even have peace with the idea of the existence of a "god".

I agree with you that religion devides more than it unites but the bible is a good book.
It should only be placed in the right environment and that is there and then.
Then certain statements still make sence.
Jezus made it very clear: The ten commandments were nessecary as a social law but you don't need them anymore if you take the eleventh commandment he gave himself: Love your neighbour.

No need for pages full of words.
All real things are simple otherwise only very highly educated people could go "to heaven".
But the first one you should learn to love is yourself because you cannot love anybody or anything if you don't love yourself.
That is where spirituality starts.

[greybeard]

Hi
if there is a problem its any definition of what God is.

In my humble opinion God is in every atom therfore in every living thing,
Therfore God is within us.

I dont see God as an old man with a beard sitting in the heavens waiting to judge us

Again in my humble opinion God loves all of us without exception..

That love is avaiable to us at all times.
The love is unconditional.
What we truly are is loved.
What we do is not necesarily condoned though.

Chris

[Swanny]

I agree that the bible is a good book just like many others are, but I don't like the way people follow it to the letter when some of it is obviously wrong and bad.
I was in Oz some years ago and I found a leaflet, it was one of the 10 commandments.
Tho shall not covet thy neighbours wife.
I spoke to one of those mad street preachers about this, I said "So I could be one of the nicest, most generous, selfless and helpful people on the planet, but I go straight to hell just because I looked at someones wife and think Yum yum...." He said "Yes no question, you broke one of the commandments."
Too me that's complete crap and such a stupid thing to believe :lol3:
What makes it even worst is that if your a catholic you can do what ever you like as long as you confess your sins at the end of the week :naughty:


I guess most men out there would be going to hell along with me if there was such a place :biggrin2:

[Peer]

You should love your neighbours wife, not covet her.

And about hell: With these oilprices the heat will probably be bearable the next few centuries so...

[TranceAm]

You should love your neighbours wife, not covet her.

And about hell: With these oilprices the heat will probably be bearable the next few centuries so...

Hah. covet her...
She covets me, I covet her.
Conclusion she married the wrong person. Are we to suffer the rest of our existence, for a youthful indiscretion and because the book says so? I don't think so.

Latest news... Hell is nukular powered. ;-)
That so not going to hurt my non-existing nerve ends.
Lets see if we can tempt the devil with rekindling his memory of a cool, glass of refreshing ice water. :roll1:

[Peer]

Only if you put some malt, hops and yeast to it....:cheers:

[Jma]

Watch Ezekiel 1 animated video

http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=-ET7WXK4D_g

:trumpet::trumpet::trumpet::trumpet::trumpet: :trumpet: :trumpet:

[TranceAm]

Only if you put some malt, hops and yeast to it....:cheers:

I bet, sorry to say that the alcohol will evaporate even faster then the water ;-)
Sorry, but he is in prison, maybe the Capo, but still imprisoned.. No Drugs policy to comfort old split toe..

Just kidding, but ridicule is the best way to show how absurd the fairy tale realy is.

And adults have believed in this for ages... And to continue the story have indoctrinated their children with said fear.. The crime of the ages.

[tone3jaguar]

Even in the polytheistic societies, there was one god at the peak of the pantheon that was responsible for creating the rest of them. Ancient people personified this in stories depicting the gods mating and giving birth to others.

I think that what most people don't realize is that polytheism is not the belief that there is an absence of one creator. It is an expansion and more systematic structured paradigm where in all of the aspects of the creator have thier own individual names.

Lets use an analogy. If you say that you believe that there are individual programs with names in your computer that all have specific abilities, are you saying that the computer that contains and generates these programs does not exist?

[TranceAm]

Lets use an analogy. If you say that you believe that there are individual programs with names in your computer that all have specific abilities, are you saying that the computer that contains and generates these programs does not exist?

Apples and Oranges.
Hardware - Software.

"If you say that you believe"

How can I make any judgemental statements with any truth value, If I would have to add to the structure "believe" when communicating such a logical structure to others?

"that there are individual programs with names in your computer that all have specific abilities"

The "abilities" as you call them is what value humans connect to the output of any given program that runs on "a" computer.. Be it on your screen, On Storage, on Hard Copy or even robottical output.
The computer does nothing more, then manipulating according to strict syntax, endless sequences of Zero's and One's. To the computer (If it was aware.), it is just all the same.

",are you saying that the computer that contains and generates these programs does not exist?"

It is not esential for the computer TO exist to get that output, since any human when reading the program, can predict or produce the SAME output, when handling the data according to the same syntax.. Only much slower.

So your Analog is not in line, Maybe you want to redefine it and make the limits your analog operates in a little more restrictive, and less pending on reader (mis)interpretation.

.

[Kelphi]

Peer,

The ten commandments were given along with the other 633 laws so that man would see that man needed a savior because no one could abide by them fully at all times. It was impossible by design. Sure it kept man fenced in morally but the main purpose of the law was to point you to Jesus Christs' substitutionary sacrifice on the the cross. Instead of man offering goats and whatever else to take away whatever sin was committed, God provides the ultimate sacrifice for all time, ONE time. Those bloody sacrifices in the Old Testament were a type and shadow of what was to come (Christ Jesus). Christ fulfills the law for those that put their faith and trust in Him. This was the ultimate love of God that was given to man. God had to pay the highest payment for our inabilities to be acceptable to Him. A holy and just God had to provide a holy sacrifice, thus himself, thus the concept of the trinity- God the father, God the son, God the holy spirit. Not 3 gods, but 3 characteristics of the one God head. I am a father to my children, a husband to my wife and a son to my parents. I am not 3 separate people. God is one.

The Old testament pointed to the cross and the new testament pointed back at the cross. The central point to the bible is the cross not self or self awareness or any other new age self doctrine. That is the total opposite or antithesis to the bible. Yet this is exactly what ET's - I call them demons would have man divert his attention to rather than Christ Jesus-who casted them all out of heaven in the first place. The demons know their time is short and they want to lie and distract as many people away from Christ as they can possible get to go down with them as possible while the getting is good.

Why do I mention these things? Because the love of God is in me and I can't help but love back to the world with this truth.

There is a way that seems right to a man but in the end leads to death. Jesus said, "I am the way the truth and the light, and no one comes to the Father but through me".

You put your faith and trust in Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of sin and God promises you everlasting life with Him one day and in the mean-time He gives you a peace that passes all understanding while on earth until He comes again for His children. This is the simplicity of the gospel (good news). This is why people go to church. They are so very greatful and like minded for what God has done for them. It is very real. Yes, some churches are corrupt, sure. No one is immune to greed and hypocracy. It plagues us all. Play with it enough and it blossoms quite effortlessly. The church is a refuge and support group of love to real Christians.

I am not fearful of October 14th what so ever. Truly I'm not. I know the bible talks about in the last days there will be more frequent signs and wonders in the heavens/skies and more frequent calamities on earth. These are merely birth pains of the coming of the Lord.

[Brinty]

Religion is a terrible thing, look at all the wars it has caused through out time.
And the bible... What a joke that is, it's been changed and adapted so many times to fit certain times it's a complete joke, you would have to be daft in the head to follow that nonsense.

As Peer said this is a spiritual forum not a religious one.
There is no god get over it :tongue2:

As al Jolson sang, "Swanny, how I love you, how I love you . . . . . . . "

But don't confuse God with the bible or religion. He was around long before they were.

AND HE'LL BE AROUND LONG AFTER HUMANITY HAS GONE OFF WORLD.

[greybeard]

With respect for all beliefs -- God is not a belief in my humble opinion.
Humans endevour to apply labels to everything in order to feel that they know it.
We have given God human traits. Anger, Jealousy, Judgmentalism -- sent you to hell if your not good, needs sacrifice.
God is not a person.
In my humble opinion God is not knowable in human terms -- He/she is unconditional love.
Gods love can be expeienced.
It is availble to all regardless of personal belief or non belief.

We have the nerve to put That which is without limit into our personal box ie
a Christian god a Buddist god a Hindu god and on and on.
How can we limit God to only loving those that agree with us?
God is unlimited.
There is no where where God is not.
He is in every atom every molocule.
He is everlasting life itself
He is you and me .
God is the Divine Ocean the Totality. We are waves of the Divine Ocean.

With Love Chris

[Ashatav]

Leave Swanni alone, everyone have their own spiritual path, he is a lot more backward than we Us Wajaja :mfr_lol:

No, Im sorry, haha.

But you have no more atention than if you go against the flood in some place so it's understandable that he wanted to grab some atention saying something so personal.

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In the matter of One G O D

Yeah, one G O D, but at the same time he/she is seven and hi/she's in All of Us as the "divine sparckle" who tells us, encourage us, suggests us, shows us, all without notice (!) to search the great Source and Center (-in fact, that's the difference with the souless animals, and that's because the illuminati in a demonic possesion needs to have a second personality-).

The Sparckle, to go to Him/she again in the long road back home.

Cheers!
:trumpet:

[Jma]

This is a diagram I found with the 72 names of God;
http://altreligion.about.com/library/graphics/magick/72.jpg

[Myplanet2]

words fail. encapsulated understandings fail. positions fail. projections fail. rejections fail.

capturing GOD is like trying to capture air in a fish net.

Every religion in existence points to GOD. They can't help but....

But I feel we're a bit ahead of ourselves in this regard. You almost can't help but trip over all the multitude pointers toward GOD. But since GOD isn't a place, where do those pointers point?

My feeling is that they provide vectors which we can then follow for a time, in our explorations. And that's what we're here to do. Explore. Not be guided.

I see it as a tragic misunderstanding that one should assume that the vector points to a place one can arrive at. The journey is the thing. The learning is the thing. The experience is the thing. We're here to do. Not be told what to do.

Those who would tell us what to do, are simply failed explorers. They decided an exploration lead nowhere, and therefore must not be repeated. They warn us where not to go, where not to look, what not to do....

But who's to say someone else's exploration of that particular vector might not lead somewhere wonderful?

I see our task here, to make available the opportunities for others to resume their own explorations. So many aborted explorations ! ! !

Yes there are those who are so set on a divergent vector from the majority of us that they derive pleasure and sustenance from our failures and disomfitures.

But are we to say that their paths don't ultimately lead back to GOD just because they diverge from ours? Sure we can say that. But free will includes the choice to explore any and all vectors for ourselves.

The ideas of right and wrong really don't ultimately apply. They are simply matters of opinion.

Do those beings who feed on our pain and suffering feel they are doing wrong or evil? I highly doubt it.

Paths to GOD which favour one polarity while eschewing it's reverse vector, appear to me to be doomed to eventual dead end. But that would simply be indicative of my personal stock taking in my personal exploration, and may have no validity for another.

I looks to me as if our next leap forward, upward, backward, downward or whatever you'd care to aim towards, will occur when we abandon polarization itself.

If everything springs from GOD, then EVERYTHING springs from GOD. No?

[JohnWdoe]

words fail. encapsulated understandings fail. positions fail. projections fail. rejections fail.

capturing GOD is like trying to capture air in a fish net.

Every religion in existence points to GOD. They can't help but....

But I feel we're a bit ahead of ourselves in this regard. You almost can't help but trip over all the multitude pointers toward GOD. But since GOD isn't a place, where do those pointers point?

My feeling is that they provide vectors which we can then follow for a time, in our explorations. And that's what we're here to do. Explore. Not be guided.

I see it as a tragic misunderstanding that one should assume that the vector points to a place one can arrive at. The journey is the thing. The learning is the thing. The experience is the thing. We're here to do. Not be told what to do.

Those who would tell us what to do, are simply failed explorers. They decided an exploration lead nowhere, and therefore must not be repeated. They warn us where not to go, where not to look, what not to do....

But who's to say someone else's exploration of that particular vector might not lead somewhere wonderful?

I see our task here, to make available the opportunities for others to resume their own explorations. So many aborted explorations ! ! !

Yes there are those who are so set on a divergent vector from the majority of us that they derive pleasure and sustenance from our failures and disomfitures.

But are we to say that their paths don't ultimately lead back to GOD just because they diverge from ours? Sure we can say that. But free will includes the choice to explore any and all vectors for ourselves.

The ideas of right and wrong really don't ultimately apply. They are simply matters of opinion.

Do those beings who feed on our pain and suffering feel they are doing wrong or evil? I highly doubt it.

Paths to GOD which favour one polarity while eschewing it's reverse vector, appear to me to be doomed to eventual dead end. But that would simply be indicative of my personal stock taking in my personal exploration, and may have no validity for another.

I looks to me as if our next leap forward, upward, backward, downward or whatever you'd care to aim towards, will occur when we abandon polarization itself.

If everything springs from GOD, then EVERYTHING springs from GOD. No?

Its a pleasure to meet such a well thoughtful individual like yourself, your words really resonated with me and for that i say thank you.

:smoke:

[Anchor]

In the Law Of One, Ra talks about Intelligent Infinity.

I conceptualize God as all of the Intelligent Inifity of the Universe manifest and unmanifest, in otherwords, all there is.

A..

[Myplanet2]

welcome, J W
. That was my hope.

[Treckie]

Thats the thing about religious folk, they only quote and pratice the fluffy bits.


http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=wr8nKsIVnBg

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=P2BavRS3xS0..

Being a cymro (Welshman) I follow the teachings of my ancestors, which goes back to the Zep Tepi and beyond. So when I read religious text’s all I see are stories stolen from the ancient Kymry (today’s Cymry/Welsh). Which means most religions are totally living a lie, that includes the “so called new age religion”



Hu Gadarn, to seek again the White Island of the West where their father, Dwy fan, had built the ship of Nefydd Naf Neifion = Noah and his Ark.

Mother nature is all love.:smoke:

[Peer]

@Kelphi:

Let's stick to the facts: There is no historical proof of the existence of a man named Jezus of Nazareth or Jezus of Bethlehem or jezus called the Christ.

Fact also is that the story of Jezus the Christ is a copy of the story of the birth of Horus, 3500 years older.
This is not the only copy of the story of Horus, there are many.

The story is a symbolic tale about the sun, dying on the (southern)cross, staying in the grave for three days and resurrect (the sun stands still for three days from dec 21 till dec 24) to begin a new cycle of 365 days again.
The twelve followers of the jezus, the sun are the twelve astrological signs.

Christianity also is a typical Northern Hemisphere religion.
All christianity below the equator was forced upon the the peoples living there by the invaders from the north.

There are no written documents about jezus (called the christ) before the writings of a man named Saul of Tarsus, a Roman citizen who discovered that the idea of a new world wide spread religion with one almighty god could bring him power and wealth so he changed his name to Paul and started writing about this new world order putting it into the skin of this old Horus-story and preaching it and he had many disciples.

We are talking about more than a hundred years (6-8 generations) after the beginning of this jewish sect that the first writings surficed.

Then the holy trinity:
Every religion exept christianity knows that children are born from the relation between a man and a woman.
Father, mother and the holy ghost together will bring forth the son.
Father, son and the holy ghost will not do and anyone who believes that's the truth puts lie above truth and closes his eyes for reality.

And Kelphi, I bet you a hundred dollars that when your daughter comes home pregnant, telling you it was the holy ghost, you will not go out and preach that the new messiah is on his way but you will want to know who the father is so you can sew or kill him.

What I mean to say is this:
We have (been) lived by this lie for much too long and the awakening (kristos means light) is near:
We are beginning to see the light, slowly because it is to painfull to open our eyes at once because we will be blinded by it.
We slowly start to see the real demons around us: The followers of Mamon (money) who want to devour us, who create war to make profit to the cost of millions of human lives.
They create scarcety instead of abundance, again for profit no matter if forest, sea and animals die.
They pollute areas so people who lived there for generations have to leave their territory without fighting for it.

We will have to practise what the story (great story although a metaphore) of jezus the christ teaches us:
We will have to learn to love each other and not judge each other.

I personally think christianity has killed more people than the two worldwars together by judging instead of loving.
I don't mind if you want to go on believing a lie as long as you don't try to force it on me anymore; I suffered enough because of it.

As I wrote in another topic that feeding the people that followed Jezus was not the miracle but making them share what they had with them brought abundance.
The truth is always simple:
Don't pray to God to open your eyes: Open them yourself and see your neighbour suffering in poverty and help him out and then wil happen what "christ" said:
What you have done unto the least of my brethern you have done unto me.
Sharing will bring abundance for everybody!

Go out in your street and start feeding the poor and if you can't find them in your street let me know:
We'll find a solution to that.

[100thmonkey]

...Not 3 gods, but 3 characteristics of the one God head. I am a father to my children, a husband to my wife and a son to my parents. I am not 3 separate people. God is one...But you aren't you're children, your wife, and your parents, at the same time though ...unless you want to embrace the Universal One-ness concept? :wink2:

If you think of the word 'Universe', it means 'all that is'. It includes everything that exists.
That concept even then says something about the nature of the Universe - If the Creator is seperate from the Universe he created then it's not really the 'Universe' is it?
So whatever Universal Intelligence there is must be a part of 'the universe', not seperate.

The Old testament pointed to the cross and the new testament pointed back at the cross. The central point to the bible is the cross not self or self awareness or any other new age self doctrine.The cross is the cross at the centre of the Zodiacal circle.

You may reject that as Pagan (thus 'Satanic') or new agey-ness, but have you ever wondered what was with the 'four living creatures' described in Revelation 4:7 sitting around the throne of God (also Ezekiel 1:10)?
The Lion, the Eagle, the Bull and the Man...?
Yes, each one is one of the four signs at the corners of the zodiacal circle, the cross on which the Sun of God suffers, dies and is reborn...

Yep, the bible is pagan too. :thumb_yello:

Regarding self-awareness, that is the force behind the Creation.
When the infinite aether first became aware (the birth of 'god') it inevitably then experienced desire.

That desire was for further experience (what else?) So it then devised a method of experiencing, ie. the universe, and us within it, as it's perspectives for this experience.

If you wonder what it could have used to create, it could only be that which itself is made of...
therefore we are all a part of it.
Therefore also none of us could possibly be eternally damned by this Creator.

We needed to be made ignorant though, in order to more fully experience.
Yet we also needed to be able to eventually remember what we really are, in order to join that experience back to the Creator.

So it is that 'experience' inevitably leads to learning and growth, so our awareness increases ...to the point where we finally fully realise our oneness with the source.

It's kind of ingenious, because we couldn't mess it up if we wanted to. It's a natural inevitability that we will eventually return, through awareness, and beyond.

It's a system that doesn't rely on whether or not we come across a certain book or concept in our journey.
There's no instruction guide, or saviour, necessary...
There is a way that seems right to a man but in the end leads to death. Jesus said, "I am the way the truth and the light, and no one comes to the Father but through me". This is one of the main flaws I see in the christian story because it damns all those who had/have never even heard about Jesus.
Such a thing is contradictory and incompatible with any claims of justice, love or mercy the bible makes about god, and so shows the bible doesn't even make sense, and that it doesn't really understand the Creator.

But you're better than that.
The fact that you say you feel driven to preach this message shows you have a greater concept of compassion than the god of the bible (or at least of those who invented him).
:original:

[gordon]

Why worry. God dosent mind what we call Him.

The God that created the Universe wouldn not be upset what we call him...God would be upset if we did not pray to him. It does not matter where abouts you are in the world, just aslong as you do pray to God. (Most nights before I goto sleep I sometimes pray to him.)

Tho shall not covet thy neighbours wife.

I have read the bibles...I have NEVER seen that in there! The commandment is: love thy neighbour as thyself :. It is soo annoying hearing christians talking about the bible...(They should action with the words from the bible, as Jesus took action for the people.)

[gordon]

Not the newer edited versions of the bible, but the older copies does have more then the ten commandments. Can anybody remember the two most important commandments? Love God with all your heart and all your soul. Love thy neighbour as thyself.

[Peer]

@ IMA:
looking at the 72 names God must be jewish then...

[mntruthseeker]

What is sad is the term "sin" I have been doing alot of studying after I heard the pope just add three more mortal sins to the list. My first thought was , How dare he, he isn't god. One of the sins were" it is a sin to not recycle. well my mind was spinning after that one, and I have to come to the term that our creater didn't put out the commandments. The "evil forces" put them out as another form of mind control.

This is what I need to break away from and run like hell

I am finally free in my mind and I believe that there is one god, creator and he is within all of us.....so it makes no difference what you call him. It's how you control your life in a godly manner. I just work very hard on this and not listen to what was drilled into my head for years.

How evil religion really is !

[Corky]

God is love.

Everything else is subterfuge.

[oldpaganfreak]

thank you peer, for your perspective. i've been preached to enough too, thanks.
it has been my experience that MOST christians are too busy judging their neighbours to love them. if jesus did exist, his commandment of 'love' should be enough for anyone.
let's leave the preaching for the street corner. i think there are more important things to discuss here than narrow-minded christian opinions.

[Peer]

Guess you're right but nevertheless there are people who still need rules. I let them.

[SplatPantZ]

I do find it hard to put into words without offending, but realy none of us know what is out there for sure, its all guess work. We are told stories and investigate history then make up our own minds.
Heck there could be an infinate number of "gods" for all i know!
Peace!

[oldpaganfreak]

true. i happy to let them have their rules too...just so long as they don't try to rule me with them.

[Ashatav]

This is a diagram I found with the 72 names of God;
http://altreligion.about.com/library/graphics/magick/72.jpg

Did you know what IHS stand for really?

Cheers!

[Jma]

Did you know what IHS stand for really?

Cheers!
Actually there are many symbols I don´t understand (hebrew),
A quick google :

The Latin In Hoc Signo (Vinces) which means “In this sign (you will conquer), from the vision that Constantine received before his victory at the Mulvian Bridge in 312 (some say 313). Constantine received a vision of a cross and heard the phrase and had it emblazoned on the shields of his soldiers.

The Greek Iesus Hemeteros Soter which means “Jesus our Savior” which was a popular Christian inscription in the early church

The Latin Iesus Hominum Salvator which means “Jesus Savior of Humankind”, made popular by St. Bernadine.

Some have even used the English phrase “I have suffered” to ascribe meaning to it, but that is a much later “pneumonic device” to remember Christ’s passion and love for us.

When you see the inscription, it is a reminder of God’s loving power and enduring mercy for us. It is more than God’s “title”, it is a reminder of God’s active presence with us, among us and before us.

As Scripture attests:


“…for it is written: ‘As I live, says the Lord, every knee shall bend before me, and every tongue shall give praise to God’.” - Romans 14:11

“…at the name of Jesus every knee should bend of those in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.” - Philippians 2:10-11
When it comes to art and architecture in the Church, the best thing to remember is that everything has meaning and when you take the time (as you did) to ask the question and seek the answers, your entire Mass experience and faith experience will deepen as your spirituality grows throughout your senses – sight, sound, smell, taste, etc.

God uses everyone of your senses to touch your soul, all of His created things are supposed to point us back to the Creator at Mass – for instance, incense (smell), bells (sound), stained glass and icons (sight) and most specifically the Eucharist (taste).

Just remember, the IHS is a reminder that you are HIS

[Peer]

:sleep_1:

[333mark333]

I AM THAT I AM

WE have created our own REALITY.

:)

[Elephant Man]

My illusions are shattered!! I always thought Hendrix was God... :lol3:

Peace, Love, Light and Laughter :original:

[Pomguymguy]

I agree that the bible is a good book just like many others are, but I don't like the way people follow it to the letter when some of it is obviously wrong and bad.
I was in Oz some years ago and I found a leaflet, it was one of the 10 commandments.
Tho shall not covet thy neighbours wife.
I spoke to one of those mad street preachers about this, I said "So I could be one of the nicest, most generous, selfless and helpful people on the planet, but I go straight to hell just because I looked at someones wife and think Yum yum...." He said "Yes no question, you broke one of the commandments."
Too me that's complete **** and such a stupid thing to believe :lol3:
What makes it even worst is that if your a catholic you can do what ever you like as long as you confess your sins at the end of the week :naughty:


I guess most men out there would be going to hell along with me if there was such a place :biggrin2:


Hey Swanny - Just replace the word 'God' with 'Et's - See what Norval and Gale have researched on this subject - it really blew me away - Also see post here on Avalon or 'Google' Bible/UFO connection.:mfr_omg:

Regards Paul R ( pommy living in Oz ) Still seem to be lots of mad preachers around here - they will have a tough time getting their heads around this, for sure !:shocked:

[AMA-GI]

HMMMM, how to put this without offending anyone is very VERY hard.

There is no evidence i can show you as i do not have access to the sumerian/arkadian and other scripts anymore. But this is what is written, whether you wish to believe or not,

Certain races were created by certain different alien races, Hence some races have disease's the others cannot geneticly contract.

The religions were created not by one god/alien/entity which ever you wish to call them.
Muslim was created by one
Jewish, another,

I could go into alot more depth but i will not as my job is not to create tention and a unhealthy debate.

All that matters is we are all god, forget the religions, the oldest religions had a purpose, not to divide as the ones of today do, The original religions were To help to become god.

Things started to go wrong around 6500 years ago. I really dont want to say much more than that on this.

Only one last thing i will add, WE are all Gods.



I thought it would be wise to post a small contributive post to this notion.
I see "Holy wars!" (jihad ), and people claiming Brahman, Jehovah, Allah, are different, and so wars should be fought in their name.
Can´t people realize there is only one supreme God with many names.

[Realview]

The creation is evolved by currents extending only so far, forming centers and continuing at a lower intensity. With 3 divisions to the creation and only one division that is permanent (the purely spiritual). Centers / suns or gods are plenty. There is one Supreme Being but many, many, many gods of lower order. Many spirits with desires to provide some service or being worshiped in some perversion having a temporary place in the hierarchy of matter. To say their is only one god is not only very incorrect but dangerous. That amounts to saying everything is the same or "one". While the potential of all live is location within the purely spiritual realms that is nothing like their current state of existence. To fantasize that everyone worships or follows or has the same potential by following any practice or believe is very incorrect. Nonetheless, if a person is inclined to a faith that is where they belong. But it may be a waste of their time or even lead them in the wrong direction. The primary purpose of various beliefs in the world is to trap and misdirect the spirits so that they remain in the prison. High sounding platitudes are reflections of other motives often about wallowing in matter and following selfish indulgences. Salvation is something entirely different. Nothing is the same there is infinite variety and stratification. Pretending is self delusion and a kind of feel good cowardice.

[macleodmunro]

To me there is only one god.

When i use the word god i'm generally talking about that which brought the universe into being.
Or possibly the universe itself and everything in it (including us).

But to say there is no god is a rather bold statement.
It's like the web saying there is no spider. As if it just formed itself.

SILLY WEB

[Merlin]

I think the TRUTH is, no person can say GOD is or is not.

One can belive one has truth in one's heart. Fine.

There is only one Truth, who will claim to know it?

Not me.

Merlin.

[Ashatav]

Actually there are many symbols I don´t understand (hebrew),
A quick google :

The Latin In Hoc Signo (Vinces) which means “In this sign (you will conquer), from the vision that Constantine received before his victory at the Mulvian Bridge in 312 (some say 313). Constantine received a vision of a cross and heard the phrase and had it emblazoned on the shields of his soldiers.

The Greek Iesus Hemeteros Soter which means “Jesus our Savior” which was a popular Christian inscription in the early church

The Latin Iesus Hominum Salvator which means “Jesus Savior of Humankind”, made popular by St. Bernadine.

Some have even used the English phrase “I have suffered” to ascribe meaning to it, but that is a much later “pneumonic device” to remember Christ’s passion and love for us.

When you see the inscription, it is a reminder of God’s loving power and enduring mercy for us. It is more than God’s “title”, it is a reminder of God’s active presence with us, among us and before us.

As Scripture attests:


“…for it is written: ‘As I live, says the Lord, every knee shall bend before me, and every tongue shall give praise to God’.” - Romans 14:11

“…at the name of Jesus every knee should bend of those in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.” - Philippians 2:10-11
When it comes to art and architecture in the Church, the best thing to remember is that everything has meaning and when you take the time (as you did) to ask the question and seek the answers, your entire Mass experience and faith experience will deepen as your spirituality grows throughout your senses – sight, sound, smell, taste, etc.

God uses everyone of your senses to touch your soul, all of His created things are supposed to point us back to the Creator at Mass – for instance, incense (smell), bells (sound), stained glass and icons (sight) and most specifically the Eucharist (taste).

Just remember, the IHS is a reminder that you are HIS



Yeah, in that sign conquers is what some says. But the people who search more says that IHS stands for ISIS HORUS and SEB.

Look at this AMAZING lecture: The secret Behind the Secret Societies. (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4774360285024764342)

PS: Im not against G O D, im against the people who kidnap his image.

Cheers!

[Frank Samuel]

We can go into religious or scientific explanation for this phenomena we call G.O.D. my explanation is the feeling that helps you to become a better person, parent, friend, global citizen or beyond. Funny thing even an atheist will call for a higher being in times of crisis such as in war. I have a lot of talks with this being when I was getting shot at. Call it what you want, give it any definition you like, just know that it is there wether you believe in it or not.:thumb_yello:

[Merkaba]

These are the best tools I have come across which will leave most with more questions than answers. :wall:

Pagan Origins of the Christ Myth
http://www.pocm.info/

The Hierarchy
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/vatican/esp_vatican37.htm

The Pharmacratic Inquisition
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tnvEHObMMH4

Matthew and Luke copied from Mark.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synoptic_problem
Mark and the Book of Acts mimed from The Iliad.
http://www.amazon.com/Homeric-Epics-Gospel-Mark/dp/0300080123
John was (probably) written in opposition to this:
http://www.gnosis.org/naghamm/gosthom.html
Decipher its secrets and win a prize :winner_first_h4h:

[AMA-GI]

does that go for me too......or am i excluded! hehe

These are the best tools I have come across which will leave most with more questions than answers. :wall:

Pagan Origins of the Christ Myth
http://www.pocm.info/

The Hierarchy
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/vatican/esp_vatican37.htm

The Pharmacratic Inquisition
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tnvEHObMMH4

Matthew and Luke copied from Mark.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synoptic_problem
Mark and the Book of Acts mimed from The Iliad.
http://www.amazon.com/Homeric-Epics-Gospel-Mark/dp/0300080123
John was (probably) written in opposition to this:
http://www.gnosis.org/naghamm/gosthom.html
Decipher its secrets and win a prize :winner_first_h4h:

[Merkaba]

does that go for me too......or am i excluded! hehe

I refer you to saying 13 of the Gospel of Thomas. :zip:



"13. Jesus said to his disciples, "Compare me to something and tell me what I am like."

Simon Peter said to him, "You are like a just messenger."

Matthew said to him, "You are like a wise philosopher."

Thomas said to him, "Teacher, my mouth is utterly unable to say what you are like."

Jesus said, "I am not your teacher. Because you have drunk, you have become intoxicated from the bubbling spring that I have tended."

And he took him, and withdrew, and spoke three sayings to him. When Thomas came back to his friends they asked him, "What did Jesus say to you?"

Thomas said to them, "If I tell you one of the sayings he spoke to me, you will pick up rocks and stone me, and fire will come from the rocks and devour you." "

[Marcus Knudsen]

I would not say: there is only one god.
I would say: there is only god.

In fact, as soon as we write down "god" we have allready moved a step away from what "it is".
Becasue nothing really happens. the more we move away from god, the more we experience that things happen. nothing really happens.
I experienced this once. For only a second or so , i was looking out the window and for that short while i was with the white lightsource, like a big white star that was nowhere. nothing happened. all was absolute zero in total harmony and eternal perfection. I still have this inner vision in me that i had then. i see it, but not with my eyes. It put a new perspective on life for me.

[Peer]

Thanks for sharing this beautifull moment Marcus.

[Stephen]

Thanks for sharing this beautifull moment Marcus.
I agree with you Peer. And may I also add here that I highly enjoy your perspective on many things within this forum that you post for all of us.
Very thought provoking and loving posts simply rolls out of you.
You Sir are a kind and Loving Soul!

My 'thoughts' on this One God thing is this.
I do not believe in a god that sits on a throne with a book that says if we are 'Naughty or Nice' then can throw a Lightening Bolt at us. (or whatever Bad Thing you can think of)
Or a 'god' that is angry and will send us to a nasty place called Hell.
Or A god that demands we OBEY!

That is Zeus. Many people 'think' of their God as that in many ways.

I think of the creator as simply The Source of All things.
We are part of this Source and whatever we experience, learn, etc then The Source does as well.
We have Freedom of Choice and that to me is the greatest gift of all.

This is my opinion. Also if I may be so bold....it really does not matter what we/I 'believe'.
It only matters what IS.

[Peer]

Hi Stephen, thank you for your very kind words.

If we read our Shakespeare well we would all know the answer because he wrote it down very clearly:

To be or not to be, that is the question.

We can only be.

Not just a little or half.
One cannot be a little pregnant or halfdead.
You are or you are not.
Enlightenment is only a state of being as is God and you are right:
We have free will.

When I am not, neither is God, neither is there disaster, one or more heavens or a universe.
No use posing the question: If I do not exist would there still be a God?

I am or nothing is.

I think that answers the question "to be or not to be."

[Merlin]

As the Dood said: "It only matters what IS"

I am total agreement with this, there is only one truth, regardless of our opinion of it.

Why must there be a God?

Merlin.