What about those in US who rely on welfare

[Tuza]

I am presuming there are millions of people in US who rely on welfare, sickness benefits, that type of thing. Obviously all this is going to affect them whereby they wont be able to get any money from the Government to pay for food, rent and all the rest. AND, I am sure the Government has already discussed all this previously and that is obviously why they have put in place .................you know what I mean, because they knew all along.

[Shechaiyah]

Tell me about it.

We can pray for deliverance and pray our kids will continue to help out financially, or help find another situation, less tenuous.


Shech--

[Gaia]

And sad to say maybe natural selection will finally be able to weed out material that should have never been able to survive in the first place. Just a Gaia thought...

[Ampgod]

And sad to say maybe natural selection will finally be able to weed out material that should have never been able to survive in the first place. Just a Gaia thought...

This statement and it's intention struck me.
I disagree. 100%




Peace,
Ampgod

[OceanWinds]

This statement and it's intention struck me.
I disagree. 100%




Peace,
Ampgod

agreed!

[Kituwa]

I am one of those that depends on gov money. I recieve gov disabilty. My wife works and brings in a small amount but it would in no way support us without the disability check.We live very simple ,own very little and we buy food one day at a time. There is talk right now that they are fixing to declair a bank holiday. They are saying this could happen as soon as this weekend. My check comes tomorrow so hopefully i can get it cashed before anything happens.If it dont happen this weekend i am sure it will soon. My family and i will be homeless in less than a week if our check is stopped.It looks like things are going to be bad for everyone before long but will just be sooner for some of us.I really fear for older people here that rely on social security. My guess is if an economic collaps does happen here that those of us that do not have a way to take care of ourselves will be rounded up and sent to gov camps to be 'taken care of' im sure we will be some of the first considered expendable.While i do have a plan of a place to go and i am capable of getting by liveing in the woods with no money, it would only be a matter of time before one of the kids gets sick and needs medical attention that is beyond what i can take care of and a lot of other things like that can come up.I know i have some serious suffering in store for me and my family but my ancestors went through as bad or worse and i have accepted that there is not much i can do about it and am as ready as i can be to face what lies ahead.I can only hope my heart can stay strong and i can fully face whatever is in store for us.

[Tuza]

Ben Fulford, now is the time for Ninja retaliation, I think they should walk the walk and stopping talking the talk ....and I know that is not spiritual....but I am really p.........

[steverocks85]

people with disabilities can be souls of a higher density that could not adjust to our plane of existance. to say natural selection can finally weed them out is cold. as a severely disabled person i feel my mission is to take a tough journey and inspire people of how strong people can be on the inside and keep on going!:thumb_yello::thumb_yello::biggrin2:

[blueskywalking]

This statement and it's intention struck me.
I disagree. 100%




Peace,
Ampgod

Double Agreed! Disgusting... Maybe lay off the mushrooms for a bit there Houston.

[Tuza]

Things keep passing into my mind..............like nazis, the idiots with the pointy white hats and the casper sheets, only having fair haired blue eyed people, getting rid of anybody else that doesnt conform to their idea of who should be here. I think there is someone else that might have to something to say about that. Some call him/her GOD.

[Mike_Jetson]

Its almost a ridiculous suggestion but try anything and everything you can to become less reliant.

[Steve_G]

I'm living on Jobseeker's allowance at the moment, which is ironic because there aren't any to seek. But I'm not worried. It isn't because my rose tinted specs tell me that everything will be fine. It isn't because I think aliens are going to land and sort out the mess for us. It certainly isn't because I think our governments are going to take care of us.

I'm not worried because I know I'm a spiritual being having a human experience. I know I've been on this planet before and I know I will be again. I'm eternal and I can't die. I've been in some really bleak situations in my life, even to the point of considering ending it, but you know what? I'M STILL HERE! Solutions came out of nowhere, help from directions I'd never expected. My spirit knew what was happening and where I was going even if my limited 3D mind didn't.

Who knows what will happen tomorrow? Prepare as best you can, but above all listen to your intuition because it knows a lot more than you think.

Blessings :wub2:

[lehomonuka]

people with disabilities can be souls of a higher density that could not adjust to our plane of existance. to say natural selection can finally weed them out is cold. as a severely disabled person i feel my mission is to take a tough journey and inspire people of how strong people can be on the inside and keep on going!:thumb_yello::thumb_yello::biggrin2:

RIGHT ON BROTHER!! TOTALLY RIGHT ON!
I too am disabled & couldn't agree with you more; people with disabilities ARE souls of a higher density :naughty: to go thru pain,isolation,outright rejection,humiliation and other negativities, then be kind, loving, forgiving and empathic, takes an ironclad determination of trusting in Spirit
thank you steve

[RubyTuesday]

people with disabilities can be souls of a higher density that could not adjust to our plane of existance. to say natural selection can finally weed them out is cold. as a severely disabled person i feel my mission is to take a tough journey and inspire people of how strong people can be on the inside and keep on going!:thumb_yello::thumb_yello::biggrin2:

Beautifully said. :wub2::wub2::wub2::wub2::wub2::wub2:

[greybeard]

people with disabilities can be souls of a higher density that could not adjust to our plane of existance. to say natural selection can finally weed them out is cold. as a severely disabled person i feel my mission is to take a tough journey and inspire people of how strong people can be on the inside and keep on going!:thumb_yello::thumb_yello::biggrin2:


Agree totaly

You cant tell a book by its cover

My previous partner "Therese" was/is disabled but I wouldent care to call her that.
We are still best friends.
She was/is an astounding clairvoyant and knows more about the Angelic realm that anyone I know.
What she lacks in mobility she makes up for in many other ways.


Chris

[Orion Morris]

Another question I was wondering about is I know alot of very smart and kind hearted people serving in county jail and prison. What would happen to the people who are incarcerated if things happen to get crazy. Would the jail guards go to work? Would they still feed them? Would they release them? What would happen to the small time offenders or the people who are supposed to be getting out soon?

[colesmommy1117]

And sad to say maybe natural selection will finally be able to weed out material that should have never been able to survive in the first place. Just a Gaia thought...

...i take offense to this. i'm a single, full-time employed mother at Vanderbilt Hospital, which means I make a decent living and receive great benefits. I rely on Food Stamps to buy food for my son and myself because without food stamps, i wouldn't be able to feed my child. It's a matter of providing a roof over his head that forces me to use this "hand-out" ...for you to say my son should never have been able to survive is not only wrong, but totally deluded.

[Trishsgate]

Just a suggestion but wouldn't everyone be able to contribute something to a community, whether it be teaching, watching children or just advice. I think most all people have merit it has been this caste system we live in that classifies people in categories of worthiness.

This has been played upon by the system since I can remember, if you will remember in the 70's it was the black race who were lazy, non-productive and who wanted a handout, today or at least here in America it is all American citizens no longer want to work or do jobs. It is a simple play in the game, retooling people's mind's to believe they are not worthy or can't work.

I try to remind people that if they have fulfilled a job in life anything they have retained those skills they are not lost or gone forever, they just need to be creative in putting those skills to good use. For those who have never worked they may be creative in many other areas go inwards to see what creative things one can do or it may be time for a change in trades who know it is all up to the individual concerning what they can do, they have the power within it is time to access it.

I am sure many that are negative will remain so, sad to say, I really don't know what will transpire for them, hopefully most will awaken to this cycle they are in and change.

As far as the prison system\jails are concerned a friend of mine had a dream which I will pass along. She seen the system could no longer afford to function and all the doors were open and the prisoners released. I have to see that this may occur when the monies are no longer there to pay the guards\personnel.

[Argante]

As a retired Federal Correctional Officer, I can assure you the last thing they would ever do is just let prisoners go free. Don't forget most guards live in the community that they would be released into. It just would NEVER happen.

In a National Emergency, I could see them letting NON-VIOLENT inmates go if they were running out of food and supplies... but it would never be into the local community.

To be honest, if there is such a thing as FEMA Death Camps... Violent Offenders would be the first to go.

Just my opinion.

[historycircus]

And sad to say maybe natural selection will finally be able to weed out material that should have never been able to survive in the first place. Just a Gaia thought...

Yeah, but I don't think being on welfare fits that criteria G. I think the mentality that inspired your statement does.

[kaye lambert]

I am disabled, also, and rely on my check each month to pay the rent. We couldn't make it without this money. I was wondering when my check hits the bank, should I take it out, and buy a certified check or something. I agree with these posts 100%. Namaste

[Kituwa]

The reason i am on social security disability is because i have post traumatic stress disorder and multiple personality syndrom from my wonderfull experiance as an mkultra victim that started when i was a very young child.It was in fact one of the mkulta doctors that got me on SSD, i had not even heard of disability before he told me about it. I am pretty sure the whole reason they wanted me on it was so i could be called/used when ever they wanted me without a job interfearing. I was put on disabilty in my early 20's and i am 49 now . It is hard sometimes, makes me feel like im good for nothing. I have always done everything i could to be a contributor to my comunity when i can. Nowdays i clean house, wash clothes , cook , do the laundry and run the boys back and forth to football games and ball practice after school so i guess im the soccor dad,lol. It is sort of amusing in a way, i was trained as a killer for the gov and here i am doing laundry,lol. I used to be very angry and bitter about what was done to me but i have found the best way for me to live with myself is to be the best human that i can be, to help others when i can, and find a little humor in my life every chance i get.

[Myra]

RIGHT ON BROTHER!! TOTALLY RIGHT ON!
I too am disabled & couldn't agree with you more; people with disabilities ARE souls of a higher density :naughty: to go thru pain,isolation,outright rejection,humiliation and other negativities, then be kind, loving, forgiving and empathic, takes an ironclad determination of trusting in Spirit
thank you steve

Thank you to steverocks85, and thank you to you lehomonuka as well! :thumb_yello:

[COCKATOO]

I won't hold my breath, but perhaps the government will finally be forced to kick all those people off the dole who are quite capable of being responsible for themselves, i.e. get a damn job! That would certainly be the majority of the "welfare" recipients (in all its various forms - money payments, hud, food stamps, etc., etc.). Clearly, that does not include the truly disabled or elderly who usually are collecting from a benefit stream not identified as "welfare".

[Jacqui D]

I've been thinking this also, i live on income support.
many have lived like this and can just about survive on the little we do get but if that's stopped what do we do then?
But if money won't be the issue as was said before because it will be useless anyway i expect we having nothing to fear.
Certainly lack of it won't change much for those who rely on it as i have said before we have been surviving on it for long enough.
But the thought of weeding out those like us is frightening.

[Stephen]

What about those in US who rely on welfare?

Is this another Banking thread? hehe! :lmao:

[fastarr]

And sad to say maybe natural selection will finally be able to weed out material that should have never been able to survive in the first place. Just a Gaia thought...

Seriously? Tell me one person who should have never have survived. Are you really better than they, to dismiss them as material?

[fastarr]

I am one of those that depends on gov money. I recieve gov disabilty. My wife works and brings in a small amount but it would in no way support us without the disability check.We live very simple ,own very little and we buy food one day at a time. There is talk right now that they are fixing to declair a bank holiday. They are saying this could happen as soon as this weekend. My check comes tomorrow so hopefully i can get it cashed before anything happens.If it dont happen this weekend i am sure it will soon. My family and i will be homeless in less than a week if our check is stopped.It looks like things are going to be bad for everyone before long but will just be sooner for some of us.I really fear for older people here that rely on social security. My guess is if an economic collaps does happen here that those of us that do not have a way to take care of ourselves will be rounded up and sent to gov camps to be 'taken care of' im sure we will be some of the first considered expendable.While i do have a plan of a place to go and i am capable of getting by liveing in the woods with no money, it would only be a matter of time before one of the kids gets sick and needs medical attention that is beyond what i can take care of and a lot of other things like that can come up.I know i have some serious suffering in store for me and my family but my ancestors went through as bad or worse and i have accepted that there is not much i can do about it and am as ready as i can be to face what lies ahead.I can only hope my heart can stay strong and i can fully face whatever is in store for us.

Have faith and pay no mind to the doom and gloomers. There is love in the world and people will figure out that we can take care of each other. In doing so we take care of ourselves. Be strong.

[Alexandra]

:tears:

[mntruthseeker]

so I get it .......tell them to get a job is the answer. sorry

[MMe M]

And sad to say maybe natural selection will finally be able to weed out material that should have never been able to survive in the first place. Just a Gaia thought...

What in thee fook are you talking about?

So you pretty much gave your illuminati self nazi branch away, didnt ya fool?

[Alexandra]

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[Lance]

This statement and it's intention struck me.
I disagree. 100%




Peace,
Ampgod

In other instances I have agreed with you, in this one I find a fuzziness (in my thinking/feeling) and can not quite grasp where I am at with the situation.

I do not agree with bailing (Baaling) people out of rough situations. I do agree with my Countries stance on socialized health care (which is NOT free where I live, we are simply FORCED to pay though I use unlicensed Dr/s in other fields) for trauma care, but not with long term palliative care.. I do agree with social safety nets, heck, I live in a vast, cold expanse if you or anyone else is down on your luck I don't mind chipping in a bit. The operative word being a 'bit'.

But where does it stop? I'm confused, not trying to start some sort of flame war, but really, I am adopted. There is such a line of of parents whom can't for whatever reason conceive, lined up, to the extent that they go afar. Why do we (royal we?) have to pay for a single mom and child on Welfare for upwards of 18 years?

In Canada we pay a very high premium for unemployment insurance and workers compensation. I don't mind helping out my fellow Canuck in dire straights because he or she lost their job. I assume (snicker) they are looking for some other way to get off of social assistance. Good luck, try getting a seasonal worker to stop watching tellie and look for work when they've got money from next season dancing in their heads.

I am not my brother or sisters keeper. Numerous times in my life I have helped people through a decade of their lives with no hope or desire of recompense. I did it because it felt good. But where does it end? When I figured out this 'game' in 1997 I left work to stop paying into CPP/Ei/WC/ etc and ad nauseum. If the Boomers were leaving me a pile of poop for a future I wasn't going to add to their jug of honey. I went feral.

So how long do we allow drains upon a system to continue? If there is a village idiot or two, so be it, it is understood that each has a few. But with half the population smashed out on pharmies and single moms abounding (give'em up girls) how long are those whom have made cognizant decisions about whom they are and where they want to be supposed to support them?

I have collected Welfare and EI, in Canada and was grateful for the ability to do so. I have also paid over 50% of my income to taxes and didn't feel too bad about the short times I NEEDED these cheques. In fact, some of the best business models I have used came out of the disparity of having to rely on my fellow Canucks taxes. But I would never look at either option as a long term income scheme.

If I did 'agree' to be born during this time...I didn't sign up to look after anyone else. That would be a choice, not a demand. Clarification anyone?

[Lance]

Can you explain to me how one can get a job if there are none in their area?
A lot of small areas in the country are losing jobs and there is no money to move or travel elsewhere and they have kids to feed. Actually, most people are going for food stamps. Houses aren't selling. The economy is in dire straights. What would you suggest?

Thanks for the precursor...how many people on 'benefits' are out running community gardens and not needing the stuff food stamps will buy?
I'm still confused.

[steverocks85]

With everything theres always a few who take advantage. Which occurs in the whole welfare/ssi/medicare/medicaid system. For me I'm in a spot where the things i need add up to ludicrous amounts. My ventilator alone costs like 50,000$ I believe. Personally I don't enjoy needing so much help to much but I do what I can.

I'm a little concerned what the future may hold, though I feel things will get shaken up a bit but it will create something more beautifull. A system where everyones in it together, we are all connected. To deny others is denying yourself.

I may be confined to a wheelchair but I will stand with everyone when the time comes. Sharing the love, happiness, the planet, and everything that has ever existed.:thumb_yello:

[MMe M]

With everything theres always a few who take advantage. Which occurs in the whole welfare/ssi/medicare/medicaid system. For me I'm in a spot where the things i need add up to ludicrous amounts. My ventilator alone costs like 50,000$ I believe. Personally I don't enjoy needing so much help to much but I do what I can.

I'm a little concerned what the future may hold, though I feel things will get shaken up a bit but it will create something more beautifull. A system where everyones in it together, we are all connected. To deny others is denying yourself.

I may be confined to a wheelchair but I will stand with everyone when the time comes. Sharing the love, happiness, the planet, and everything that has ever existed.:thumb_yello:


Your beautiful. Keep on smiling, it makes me feel good when you do! Youre special, chosen.

A powerful positive force.

[Alexandra]

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[lucrum]

I just wanted to add to this thread that it seems it totally derailed from the original purpose of the OP.

It evolved into a discussion wether or not disabled or lesser fortunate should have the right to live or not. To me that's an aweful idea and I would like to urge everyone to get back to the original question here:

What about those in US who rely on welfare?

It's a good question, what about those that have no means of self sustainability? What will become of their welfare assets with this bailout passed?

It was a completely on target question and I would like to see some on target answers to them :)

[Myra]

And sad to say maybe natural selection will finally be able to weed out material that should have never been able to survive in the first place. Just a Gaia thought...

Watch what you say. You could be next. :lmao:

[Lance]

I just wanted to add to this thread that it seems it totally derailed from the original purpose of the OP.

It evolved into a discussion wether or not disabled or lesser fortunate should have the right to live or not. To me that's an aweful idea and I would like to urge everyone to get back to the original question here:

What about those in US who rely on welfare?

It's a good question, what about those that have no means of self sustainability? What will become of their welfare assets with this bailout passed?

It was a completely on target question and I would like to see some on target answers to them :)

One of the points in a slow (vide: intentional) collapse is to GET people into the cystem (sic). It seems like the cheques will still flow but the purchasing power of those cheques will decline rapidly. Then the PTw will start a war and all those slowly starving on their ever diminishing will be forced to join the military...here is a good run down written by a friend of mine recently.

"So..a government(sic) trillions of fun coupons in debt now owns the debt of most all it's citizens.... hmmm..... What is the only tangible thing they got for their money...oh yea, weapons.
Now, if you make it a criminal offense to be in debt then you can radically increase the prison population; this gets you more slave labour which, in turn, will drastically reduce production costs. This also gives you a reliable psuedo middle class (read guards/administrators). furthermore, once a criminal in the States, you can never again apply for the usual benifits to stay alive, nor vote; thus reducing the chance of democratic change (as if that has ever been there).
But some of the folks might catch on and become rebellious. Thus an outside war is a must (with draft). This will ensure that most able-bodied men and women are kept off the streets, shipped out of the country or at least kept in government 'training camps'. War brings casualties, thus ensuring a second psuedo middle-class segment of caregivers etc. Meanwhile the useless back at home can be given crumbs to live out their lives in near poverty, keeping the production of ammo/weapons an other war related items going as fast as possible. Not that they are any safer from your final psuedo middle class segment. Those home security types, happily going about their misserable lives spying, arresting, trying and taxing those in the country, according to the latest economic needs of the government.
Wait a minute, I just reviewed the last century. So...this either gets increased to the nth degree or...the whole thing goes to rot. Either way, hell can no longer pretend heaven and the garden of Eden, as it has always been, shows itself as no more then a place with clean water/food and real humans...not these ugly lizzards pretending they own this planet, and its people, to destroy at their whim. oh yea....and **** the sheep; they will be eating their own before it is all said and done. " Anonymous Friend

The short and sweet of it. If I were to offer advice for anyone, anywhere on Guvmint assistance I would say 'get ye to a library' and order any and all books on Permaculture you can summon. It is one of those design techniques applicable in all situations and since you have free time...you might as well be learning a transition skill. It will come in handy.

[Alexandra]

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[2infinityandbeyond]

And sad to say maybe natural selection will finally be able to weed out material that should have never been able to survive in the first place. Just a Gaia thought...

Thankfully Gaia doesnt think remotely like you.

[Jacqui D]

Remember Steverocks85 when everything breaks down love you will not have to worry about your disability.
You will be free from any pain,worries, stress, life will be as it should be.
I commend what you said and wish you well.:wub2:














With everything theres always a few who take advantage. Which occurs in the whole welfare/ssi/medicare/medicaid system. For me I'm in a spot where the things i need add up to ludicrous amounts. My ventilator alone costs like 50,000$ I believe. Personally I don't enjoy needing so much help to much but I do what I can.

I'm a little concerned what the future may hold, though I feel things will get shaken up a bit but it will create something more beautifull. A system where everyones in it together, we are all connected. To deny others is denying yourself.

I may be confined to a wheelchair but I will stand with everyone when the time comes. Sharing the love, happiness, the planet, and everything that has ever existed.:thumb_yello: