Anti-Doom Thread --

[Magii]

I'm really starting to wonder about all the DOOM Threads on here ..

How about .. words from a wise men says ...about the following

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– The imminent collapse of the U.S. Economy to occur sometime in late 2008
Wise man says "No"
– The imminent collapse of the U.S. Government finances sometime in mid 2009
Wise man says "Not Happening"
– The possibility of Civil War inside the United States as a result of the collapse
Wise man says "Nix on the Civil war"
– The advance round-ups of “insurgent U.S. Citizens” likely to move against the government – The detention of those rounded up at The REX 84 Camps constructed throughout the United States
Wise man says "Paranoia run amuck"
– The possibility of public retaliation against members of Congress for the collapses
– The location of safe facilities for members of Congress and their families to reside during massive civil unrest
Wise man says "Not at all"
– The necessary and unavoidable merger of The U.S. with Canada and Mexico establishing The North American Union
– The issuance of a new currency called the AMERO for all three nations as an economic solution.
Wise man says "Certainly there are many voices screaming "fire" and hoping to cause a stampede. The gloomers are salivating, hoping for a total collapse of the bastion of democracy and freedom.

They will fail"

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:thumb_yello:

DOOM & Gloom are great money makers .. dont get trapped - if u see people selling books, audio or whatever - put your thinking caps on :trumpet:!

[Suriel]

I agree. 2012 seems to be becoming a good business for some people.

I often thought this myself.

[Racsouran]

when the owners of this site starting asking for money, i felt somehow not surprised, but deceived at the same time. they did it wrong. this forum is not heaven, or something to worship, keep your eyes open, and if, asked for money, don´t give it.

i frequent forums with 35000 members, with tenths more activity than this one, and never asked for money, don´t be stupid, don´t fall on that.

It´s all ******* business.

[Zarathustra]

M,

I am not selling anything, and if the message of your post is to remain calm in troubled times, I can agree. If the message of your post is to caution against jumping to conclusions, I can agree. However, if the message of your post is to conclusively state that those things are not possible, and with certainty not going to happen, then I cannot agree, for that is no better than panicking for no reason.

As an easy example, were you to tell an average citizen of Germany in 1928 that their nation was headed towards a tyranical form of government that would play a major role in the deaths of millions, they would likely and understandably scoff at the notion.

There is a subtle, but important distinction between doomsaying and turning a blind eye towards troubling developments. That fine line in the middle is to recognize something for what it is. As an easy example, a law which allows a citizen of the United States to be arrested, detained indefinetly, and not charged for a crime, merely at the whim of the executive branch, does not require hyperbole to be troubling to a keen intellect.

Again, I am not necessarily arguing with you, since I don't know the motivation behind your comments, but I don't agree with the generalization either.

Z

[Zarathustra]

I agree. 2012 seems to be becoming a good business for some people.

I often thought this myself.

when the owners of this site starting asking for money, i felt somehow not surprised, but deceived at the same time. they did it wrong. this forum is not heaven, or something to worship, keep your eyes open, and if, asked for money, don´t give it.

i frequent forums with 35000 members, with tenths more activity than this one, and never asked for money, don´t be stupid, don´t fall on that.

It´s all ******* business.

I certainly agree with the principle of Caveat Emptor :)

[historycircus]

Well, there are many "wise men" who would differ with you. Forget, for a moment, what you see on Camelot and Rense. Consider the 80 some odd brave members of the U.S. House of Reps. who still voted no today on the bailout. They see something stinks in Rotterdam.

You take issue, much as I do, with those who think they know the exact scenario that will take place. Truth is, they don't. And if one of them does, the waters of information dissemination are so murky that most of us won't pick the right scenario.

So lets go with what we know: 1) everyone feels that something big - for the good or bad (as relative as those terms are) - is happening. A massive sea change is in the air. 2) Given the current power structure and patterns of wealth accumulation, and an understanding of how the very scenario we face today has played out in history, those at the top now will do whatever they have to to ensure continuity in their own lives, such as, say, passing a trillion dollar economic "rescue" that solves nothing for the majority affected by the current economic decline. And, 3) Western culture has deteriorated to the point that any decline in living conditions and wealth will result in the suffering of many - from those willing to victimize, at the very very least, for the fun of it.

You can call it doom and gloom if you wish, perhaps that is indeed the right label. Preparation is the key. No one here should pay for information. If it is meaningful, it will be free.

No one knows the scenario that will play out, the "wise" people (men and women included) will be prepared for them all.

[Zarathustra]

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No one knows the scenario that will play out, the "wise" people (men and women included) will be prepared for them all.[/QUOTE]

well said

[FrostyMcunicron]

i agree its weak when forums start asking for money. i know a certain RU safety awareness site comes to mind and if they were to ask for money for the time donated to maintaining it & organization and mod help many deaths wouldn't be prevented years cause some greedy ego's dick trip, glad to see this site doesnt ask for $ either. Cash(especially the usa $!) is soo worthless.

I suppose the thought power going to the doom factor is strong at this time but i also believe somethings need to spill over before they can get better.

[Magii]

Here is great example of what im reffering to ..

with all the so called DOOM Threads on here ..


Look at this post
http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=4078


The poster - posts up SUPER DOOM .. aka "Death of 3 Billion"

all based from what a speaker says in some video ..

IF you were to research the speaker

YOu will find .. the Speaker runs a really nice website .. and a really nice Store ... that sells .. Everything that you will need due to the incoming "Doom"

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This reminds of me "George Green"
Talks doom, sells books / gets gigs for speaking

Sadly to say .. this forum was created on his Doom :mfr_omg:

[historycircus]

But there are always wise words that counter or provide wise solutions. I say let both flourish, and let us decide what is worth giving a second read.

[Zarathustra]

Here is great example of what im reffering to ..

with all the so called DOOM Threads on here ..


Look at this post
http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=4078


The poster - posts up SUPER DOOM .. aka "Death of 3 Billion"

all based from what a speaker says in some video ..

IF you were to research the speaker

YOu will find .. the Speaker runs a really nice website .. and a really nice Store ... that sells .. Everything that you will need due to the incoming "Doom"

---

This reminds of me "George Green"
Talks doom, sells books / gets gigs for speaking

Sadly to say .. this forum was created on his Doom :mfr_omg:

As I said before M, the message to "remain calm" is not only prudent, but valued in the times we are living in. As a caveat, make sure your facts are correct. As an example, George's books are free. He charges nothing for them, not even the shipping costs. So whether you agree with him or not, earning money is not a factor.

There are many people, speakers, sites, etc... that fall into the description you gave above, but you do a disservice to everyone to unfairly include those that don't belong - equal to the service you do when you expose that which do, not to mention the damage to your own credibility.

Those that promote a dark future from a self promoting and self enriching motivation do great harm, but it can be argued that those that deny the possibility of dark times approaching, especially when incorrect information is the source, do a greater harm.

"Prepare for the worst, and hope for the best" is an approach that has born fruit from the days when a man was attempting to light a fire at will up to today, and everyone must be careful to distinguish between that philosophy and one which sees everything, no matter how innocuous, as the "approaching tsunami".

Your approach to this forum seems to veer too far the other way, purporting that ALL warnings of danger equate to meaningless worry. You might be wise to recall the words of Martin Niemöller, a German citizen who witnessed the rise of National Socialism in Nazi Germany...

When the Nazis came for the communists,
I remained silent;
I was not a communist.

When they locked up the social democrats,
I remained silent;
I was not a social democrat.

When they came for the trade unionists,
I did not speak out;
I was not a trade unionist.

When they came for the Jews,
I remained silent;
I wasn't a Jew.

When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out.

I assume this is not your intention, and I admit that I play the advocatus diaboli intentionally with my replies, but please be careful for your own sake, and the sake of others, to not confuse skepticism with blindness, nor bravery with obedience.

Z

[historycircus]

Good and Great God, Z,

Your words are truth.

A powerful rebuttal indeed. It probably does not matter in the long run that I have said so, but I feel compelled to anyway.

[Magii]

Intention is clear ---

I'm Anti Doom, thus Titled Anti-Doom Thread -


~
Btw I'm not wrong in saying g.g. sells books.. go to his site .. click on bookstore.. and you will see for urself ... your right about 3 of them being free but the rest are not ..

[QUESTINY]

As I said before M, the message to "remain calm" is not only prudent, but valued in the times we are living in. As a caveat, make sure your facts are correct. As an example, George's books are free. He charges nothing for them, not even the shipping costs. So whether you agree with him or not, earning money is not a factor.

There are many people, speakers, sites, etc... that fall into the description you gave above, but you do a disservice to everyone to unfairly include those that don't belong - equal to the service you do when you expose that which do, not to mention the damage to your own credibility.

Those that promote a dark future from a self promoting and self enriching motivation do great harm, but it can be argued that those that deny the possibility of dark times approaching, especially when incorrect information is the source, do a greater harm.

"Prepare for the worst, and hope for the best" is an approach that has born fruit from the days when a man was attempting to light a fire at will up to today, and everyone must be careful to distinguish between that philosophy and one which sees everything, no matter how innocuous, as the "approaching tsunami".

Your approach to this forum seems to veer too far the other way, purporting that ALL warnings of danger equate to meaningless worry. You might be wise to recall the words of Martin Niemöller, a German citizen who witnessed the rise of National Socialism in Nazi Germany...

When the Nazis came for the communists,
I remained silent;
I was not a communist.

When they locked up the social democrats,
I remained silent;
I was not a social democrat.

When they came for the trade unionists,
I did not speak out;
I was not a trade unionist.

When they came for the Jews,
I remained silent;
I wasn't a Jew.

When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out.

I assume this is not your intention, and I admit that I play the advocatus diaboli intentionally with my replies, but please be careful for your own sake, and the sake of others, to not confuse skepticism with blindness, nor bravery with obedience.

Z

Very well said.

[DeadDeadDead]

I think some might be scared of these events actually happening, all I can think about is Star Wars, yeah, good old Star Wars. Yoda says to Anakin, "Train yourself to let go of everything you fear to lose" People have become attached to their paper money, possessions, and even their own body, the "reality" they tell us we live in. "Attachment leads to jealousy. The shadow of greed, that is."

Let go of your attachments, learn to grow and progress without them. If they close the banks then find other creative ways to get the things you need to survive. Don't let them control you through your attachments.

If they take my car I'll walk.
If they take my home I'll find a new shelter.

They can tell me what to read
They can sell me what to eat
They can feed me and send me the bill
But they tell me what to feel?

no

If they raise a gun to my head, let them shoot, they'll get nothing from me for I am greater then this crude matter, and I will still love them.

To live in fear is no way to progress and grow. "The fear of loss is a path to the dark side"

"Fear is the path to the Dark Side. Fear leads to anger; anger leads to hate; hate leads to suffering."


:lightsabre:

[historycircus]

This ain't Star Wars. This is real. Fear has its place, it is up to us to balance it.

[DeadDeadDead]

This ain't Star Wars. This is real. Fear has its place, it is up to us to balance it.

I totally agree.

In a Star Trek episode some one said something like emotions are neither good or bad its what you do with them that determines if they are good or bad.

I choose to acknowledge my fear or anger that comes up, but I accept it as a raw emotion, let it go or turn it into love to direct back at it's origin in attempt to balance.

I'm not saying forget the "real world" and play jedi. I look at Star Wars and take inspiration from there, along with numerous other things. I take ideas and bring them into my life. The concept of the force, the dark and light sides are not just fictional story mechanics the ideas can be brought out and looked at in relation to your own life. Good and positive things.

Maybe I didn't explain myself well enough in my first post there but I thought the overall idea of not letting "them" get to you through fear and control you came through. My intentions were in relation to this thread topic, I intended to plant my feet, stand up to negative "doom" that's been going around a bit. Try to put something positive out there.

Maybe the smiley at the end negated the idea, lol.

You mention balance, they talk about that in Star Wars too! lol.

[Rocky_Shorz]

As I said before M, the message to "remain calm" is not only prudent, but valued in the times we are living in.

Z

Incredibly said, you do have a way with words...

I've mentioned before that one of the best places to stumble across truths is right in the center of a conspiracy forum. To many it may seem dark and spooky, but this is how think tanks work to come up with answers before they are needed.

Avalon is about talking about possible future events that can effect us all, and what we are going to do to move forward.

Sure talking about an atomic bomb being dropped 25 miles away is a terrible thought, but what would you do? What type of plan do you have to protect you and your family.

If you've never thought about it, this isn't the worst place to start...

Forget about whether the banks are going to close next week or not, but what would you do if they did, and your cards stopped working?

What do you have now to get the food and supplies you need for your family?

You might never need to know the answer, but wouldn't be good to know if you did?

[Magii]

Incredibly said, you do have a way with words...

I've mentioned before that one of the best places to stumble across truths is right in the center of a conspiracy forum. To many it may seem dark and spooky, but this is how think tanks work to come up with answers before they are needed.

Avalon is about talking about possible future events that can effect us all, and what we are going to do to move forward.

Sure talking about an atomic bomb being dropped 25 miles away is a terrible thought, but what would you do? What type of plan do you have to protect you and your family.

If you've never thought about it, this isn't the worst place to start...

Forget about whether the banks are going to close next week or not, but what would you do if they did, and your cards stopped working?

What do you have now to get the food and supplies you need for your family?

You might never need to know the answer, but wouldn't be good to know if you did?


Thats nice .. alot of what if .. or what if that ..

How about.....
What if no SUPER DOOM is gonna happen .. and we get to live as we are right now .. and generaly moving to a better more positive future ..

Where there is less war, less hunger, less of all the negitive .. and more of the positive!

You can go ahead and research, learn about all the DOOM & Gloom, I do it but thats not gonna be my reality, nor will there ever be enough prep'ing :tongue2:

Welcome to ANTI-DOOM!

[Alexandra]

:original:

[DeadDeadDead]

All the "Gloom and Doomsayers" and "Light and Love of the 1980's" are both needed to give a lot of people, who read and never post, an idea of what choices are available and why. Through the disagreements of both extremes, hopefully a balance can be achieved. This is what this forum is all about. If you don't agree with someone find out why they think and believe the way they do. They may actually have some valid points. This goes for both sides.
Just because you don't believe, doesn't make it not true. Look at the disagreements as a great way to learn not just to prove your limited view. We all have a limited view of the whole. Once we start seeing other views then the picture becomes clearer and eventually the puzzle may be solved.

YES!
If you don't agree with someone find out why they think and believe the way they do. They may actually have some valid points.
awesome.
should be the subtitle to the forum title as a reminder

[larissarissa]

Interesting debate, good points made by all. It's easy to sit around talking about all this stuff, but what can be done? For me the forum is a means of connecting to kindred spirits which feels good, and gathering information which will help make decisions when situations arise.

I don't need to make judgements about whether someone is doing something for the money or if they are for real. My intuition will always let me know if something feels right for me, and this varies from person to person. So to me nobody's right and nobody's wrong, they just are what they are for whatever reason.

No matter how I feel personally, and I've got a lot of feelings, I respect the right of others to feel as they do. I was amused to see one of the threads on this forum closed due to heated personal exchange. If I was paranoid, I would feel that maybe the disruptor was deliberately causing trouble to disable the forum. Who knows?

[Pomguymguy]

The Mere" Thought of It"

"Clif High's unique perspective linguistics model seem to be coming along exactly as described - etc... which then precipitates a series of events doing from bad to worse, etc... we are witnessing a controlled demolition of the global economy.. etc
That was Bills quote, along with many other members perspectives, ideas, etc. following a simular theme.

So we are the so called "Ground Crew" ( Thanks to George Green) "We" project this thought or thoughts ( which then gives that thought more energy) that then goes out into the universe and strengthens the forecast that has been predicted - "We" are giving it focus and fulfilling the prophesy by the mere "thought" of it.
Everything we experiance comes from inside of us created by the function of our own thoughts to produce manifested "Thought Forms" as the "physical reality".

But maybe this is the recession we have to have - a final wake-up call that will shake the western world to the core and a few more will awaken ?

Come on people, we know that this money thing is an illusion - there is in fact no money - or very little of it! 99.99% (or less) is stored on some computer or other such device - but it really is not there. If we all went in and asked to draw our money out ,they could not do it!
Thats part of how they have conned us for sooooooo loooooong guys ! Yet because, in the case of "being in dept", people (sheeple) are reacting to something intangible, mostly fueled by the powerful emotions of fear, (F.E.A.R.) which leads to more worry and despair - and more negative emotion which makes the situation seem even more critical ( at this time)

Then again "Time" does not exist beyond Earth, the only real time is "Now" - so therefore "We" create everything in the Eternal Moment of NOW.
If we carry the notion of fearing what might of might not happpen tomorrow or next week then that's what we create right NOW ( As Clif High's predictions are showing)
Keep in mind that nothing ever happens by chance - we are all where we should be at this "Time" - here NOW to learn certain things, and for this be grateful. Remember, we are all to become enlightened in the end so we can return to the "Source"- For some the journey will take a little longer !:mfr_lol:

[Rocky_Shorz]

Avalon is a gathering point for many special people, the vibrations so strong I get vertigo being attached...

Imagine being in a group of people that as they read the doom, can bend reality so the outcome changes... We need the dreamers telling us the horrors they are seeing in our future, so we can make the changes needed now to prevent it...

When Henry first said it, I didn't really believe it, now I'm doing it...

[Ampgod]

There is a difference between Doom and straight up probable reality.
I don't believe in dragging others or yourself down at all.
Being educated is a good thing whether it's content is doom ridden or not.


Just my take on this,

Ampgod

[Magii]

Please note the following...

This is a classic Brainwashing technique.. there maybe elements of this happening on here .. as part of Rogue People & Disinformation agents...


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In a brainwashing group,

a number of individuals from varying backgrounds and personalities (aka people on a forum)

are manipulated by a "group leader" to form a "consensus" of opinion (anyone can be the leader here)

achieving a new "group identity."

The key to the process is the creation of a controlled environment (this is a control enviroment)

in which stress is introduced (sometimes called dissonance or DOOM) to crack an individual's belief structure ( umm just look at many of the threads )

Using the peer pressure of other group members
the individual is "cracked," and a new personality emerges with new values.

The degrading experience causes the person to deny that any change has taken place. In that way, an individual is brainwashed without the victim knowing what has taken place.
~~~

[Rocky_Shorz]

Do you know what happens when a group is being "brainwashed" and someone walks in out of the blue seeing a clear picture and states reality?

In every doom and gloom thread, one or more step forward that can see through the veil...

[zorgon]

No one knows the scenario that will play out, the "wise" people (men and women included) will be prepared for them all.

Hehehe I do...

1) Change in the weather....

Global Temperature Chart 2500 BC to Present

The chart below does not really need any words, it is pretty self explanitory. Though we should do whatever we can to eliminate polution and take care of our environment, the chart shows that Global warming and cooling will go on with or without mankind's involvement

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/47john_lear/04images/Seas/2065311545_2abdf79551.jpg

415,000 Year Temperature Graph


In Antarctica there is a fresh water lake buried beneath the ice. Last time it saw the light of day was 420,000 years ago. This lake is NOT FROZEN. Taking ice core samples gives us a VERY ACCURATE measurement of global climate...

This graph below is drawn from the data gathered from the Vostok ice core samples and, unlike the tree ring data, is scientifically sound and uncontroversial. Looking at the graph, there have been six periods in the last 415,000 years when global temperature exceeded today’s temperature by as much as nine degrees. 10,000 years ago, the global temperature was five degrees higher than today.

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/47john_lear/04images/Seas/415k-year-temp-graph.jpg

So all those SELLING the "Mankind is to blame for Global Warming" nonsense... now you have the TRUTH

[zorgon]

2) Given the current power structure and patterns of wealth accumulation, and an understanding of how the very scenario we face today has played out in history, those at the top now will do whatever they have to to ensure continuity in their own lives, such as, say, passing a trillion dollar economic "rescue" that solves nothing for the majority affected by the current economic decline. .


I cannot urge you more strongly to watch this video... It is a must see to those attempting to understand the money situation... Its been posted here in many threads

This video is about the reality of Money and how the system works in a very easy to understand presentation

This IMO is a film everyone should have a look at... PLEASE just have a look you will be glad you did

Money as debt
A short film by Paul Grignon

MONEY AS DEBT (http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/135.html) [/quote]


About GOLD...

I see a lot of talk about gold...

I also see that EVERYONE has forgotten that we went through this same 'crisis' in the 80's...

Gold skyrocketed... almost to current levels... Silver hit 45.00 an ounce as the Smith Brothers tried to corner the market... lot of Gloom and Doom talk then too...

So what happened? The Gov opened the vault at Fort Knox, sold some gold and over the weekend gold plummeted... and for the next 20 years we had stability...

http://goldprice.org/images/monthly_dollar.gif

Besides how will you use Gold to pay for food? You going to carry a file and a scale?


An what's the big deal with 700 billion bailout? We spent a LOT more blowing the crap out of Iraq and Afghanistan...

Rumsfeld announce on 9/10/2001 that the treasure misplaced 2.3 TRILLION dollars and another TRILLION there after... but we all forgot about it the next day as Bush asked us for Billions more to send Iraq back to the Stone Age

And we all bought it... hook line and sinker and are STILL paying for it at the pumps...

Rumsfeld 2.3 Trillion Dollars missing Pentagon 1 DAY b4/9-11
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kpWqdPMjmo

2.3 TRillion $$ of the TAXPAYER's MONEY IS MISSING
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rRqeJcuK-A

McKinney Grills Rumsfeld
Congresswoman Cynthia McKinney grills Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld on the Pentagon's missing trillions,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eootfzAhAoU

Watch the MONEY video... watch these videos and MAYBE you will see what they have been SELLING you...

[zorgon]

3) Western culture has deteriorated to the point that any decline in living conditions and wealth will result in the suffering of many - from those willing to victimize, at the very very least, for the fun of it.


This is nothing new... the few have always preyed on the sheep and always will. The only way to stop it is to educate as many of the sheep as will listen.

I have looked around at the threads here lately and I hear a lot of "Peace and Love" talk... yet under it all is the constant gloom and doom about everything under the sun.

2000 was supposed to be the end of everything... we are still here This was based on Nostradamus not having any predictions past 1999..

Funny thing is now all of a sudden his predictions are valid again up to 3535 or something like that...

2003 Zeta talk convinced MANY people Nibiru was coming... they quit jobs, sold houses and bought bunkers...

Didn't happen... I bet they are ******... :biggrin2:

2012...

Nibiru is Coming... WHO TOLD YOU THIS? Certainly NOT Sitchin... because in the "End of Days" he gives the earliest possible date fot the return of the Anunnaki to be 2085 and the Planet Nibiru to be 2900

So just WHO is promoting 2012 as the return of Nibiru? THINK ABOUT IT

Galactic Allignment... Okay so what does this mean exactly? We crossed the plane of the Galaxy 25 million years ago and are moving up and out to 250 light years above the plane before we bob back down... Well they tell me now that what it means is only of Astrological importance...

Oct 14th We hear the "Federation of Light" ship is coming... based on ONE person... this has spread far and wide through the internet... and what will happen if it DOES NOT show up?

We will hear "Chanelling is not an exact source... but it will happen soon" Well if its not an EXACT source, then WHY are we being given EXACT dates?

And the latest "Escape" If something doesn't happen... the time line has changed and it has now been avoided...

Convenient huh?

Now don't get me wrong I KNOW there is something going on with TIME but you won't hear me make any predictions or charge you for it :biggrin2:

.

[whitecrow]

Interesting debate, good points made by all. It's easy to sit around talking about all this stuff, but what can be done?


That's the question, isn't it? In one shape or another that question is everywhere these days. I think the answer is the same as always: anything you want. Just do it. There will be consequences.

Maybe the question is, what is being done? Are not people of all ages and all over the world waking up to a new sense of empowerment and wonder? And are not these same people, all over the world, meeting each other and sharing thoughts, networking, forging friendships and alliances, debating, learning, sharing, for the first time in history, thanks to the Internet?

Whatever happens, this time will be known as another of those Great Awakenings that takes place now and then and shifts the course of history.

What can be done? Shine! Teach! Love! Learn! No one will come to us if we teach failure and the destruction of all that mankind has hoped for. Nor should they, for that is false. And if we attempt to preach our new awareness from streetcorners, we will be seens as fools. If we preach our new awareness through the media, we will become fools. What to do? Shine...let the light shine through you, in all you say and do. People will be drawn to you...they will ask what you have that they lack. They will be drawn to you. You don't say, "Follow me!" But when you discover you have companions, say, "Welcome!"

Plant seeds of light everywhere you go. You can never control whether they take root...remember the parable, be the Sower. Don't worry if your seeds may seem imperfect...you will constantly spread better ones, as you learn the art of spiritual husbandry.

[zorgon]

You can call it doom and gloom if you wish, perhaps that is indeed the right label. Preparation is the key.

Preparation is ALWAYS a GOOD PLAN...

BUT!!!!!

How can you PREPARE if you have no clue what exactly to prepare FOR?

Sure it seems Avalon is supposed to be set up to get at that issue... but I see rampant confusion and disagreement with what we should focus on...

I would LIKE to see a point form list of the real issues

"Radiant Zones", "Support groups", "Ground Crews" sound like a marvelous idea... and certainly nothing wrong with educating people

Look at the last big Tsunami... people running out to the beach collecting shells as the tide went out. There was one native fishing village... they saw the receding tide... and said "Boys... today we don't fish, we go to the mountain to worship"

They survived... You know we were taught that in grade school... when the tide goes out like that... its coming back with a vengeance... head for the hills...

People that believe Nibiru is coming to hit the Earth... Okay so tell me how you will prepare for this?

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/11/images/071115-new-planets_big.jpg

I actually see people WISHING for Nibiru to come... hoping its real..:lmao:


A support group you must establish first if you can REALLY count on them in a time of crisis... Look at New Orleans... even the Police abandoned posts and some turned looters...

I would like to ask EVERYONE here... how many of you have a minimum of a 72 hour emergency kit by the front door IN CASE you have to bug out in a hurry? The Mormon Church demands this of their members... but how many have it?

You need ONE kit for each family member. This is just a smart idea if you live in flood plains, tornado country or earthquake zones...

You need to put stuff in it you will NEED like medication if you take any, food water etc that you can survive with for three days at minimum

Stocking food in the house is a good idea simply for monetary reasons... but you should have energy bars that last a long time... things like that. If you practice buying specials and rotating stockpiles you can save a TON of money and always have an emergency backup.

Now the crunch... you here the talk about "help your fellow man" But what happens now when all hell breaks loose? Example

You have a three month supply of food and water (and toilet paper :bleh: (Oh yeah? Try doing without THAT for three months)) for your family...

So the crunch comes... but your parents did not prepare... and your best friend was too busy shopping at the mall to worry about hard times...

Do you now share YOUR food and water with them?

Your neighbors... they did not prepare... but you have mentioned time and again that YOU did... so now they have nothing and they know YOU do...

Do you share with them?

So what has now happened to your three months supply?

Will those who did not prepare understand rationing even if you do share?

Just think about all this for a bit...

Me personally... we have a swimming pool with 35,000 gallons that can do in a pinch, a years supply of food, a generator to keep the freezers going in case of power outage and we are part of a Medieval re-enactment group.

:biggrin2: As such we have the skills to do without electricity, make our own bread and 'spirits' and even have our own loom...

Just my personal equipment for the events can support a tent city of 60 comfortably... and like the Roman generals... it is portable in a hurry...

But we also have the skills, the means and the wherewithall to protect it. We DO know how to turn Plowshares into Swords

Now just think about all this...

And please stop WISHING for GLOOM AND DOOM lest Ye fulfill Prophesy by the desire of the masses.

The Universe could care less about GOOD or EVIL... Look at Hubble Stars and Solar Systems die continuosly... In a flicker of a moment our Sun could go NOVA and all our history our art our hopes and dreams would vanish in seconds... and the Universe would not notice our passing... and some Alien world would look at the beautiful NEBULA the death of our solar system left behind and might wonder...

Was there ever life in that system?

But GOOD has one small advantage over EVIL... Good is more focused, while Evil is selfish and scattered

This ONE SIMPLE DIFFERENCE makes it possible for those thinking GOOD thought to have sway over EVIL... It is the ONLY thing we have going for us... the ONLY thing that separates Chaos from Order


Thanks for this thread... I am glad others are seeing through the muck

[lightbeing]

Zorgon! my friend
Thank you. :wub2:
Namaste!

[historycircus]

Zorgon,

Given the incedible effort spent replying to my post, I feel compelled to respond. Let me be incredibly brief, and hopefully not too blunt.

There are a great number here on this forum who think that 90% of this material is utter rubbish. Planet X, dragons, the NWO, reptilian conspiracies, etc. carry about as much truth in their minds as say, the tooth fairy, or supply side economic theory. The corruption, violence, and exploitation that has plagued us as a species has become so ordinary that some will latch on to any theory that could potentially alter our situation right down to its very core - no matter how fantastical or absurd.

With that being said, all of us are here because of that other 10% - the stuff that can't be explained as swamp gas and weather balloons. While we cannot prepare for our sun going nova, or a planetary collision, there are potentialites that we can prepare for. Natural and man-made disasters await us, whatever form one chooses to believe they will take, so why not be prepared for that which can be prepared for?

I take issue with your last post - you insinuate that discussing preparedness and potentialites is tantamount to wishing for the doom and gloom. Since you were quoting my post, I have no choice but to assume that was aimed at me directly. I'll go on the record again - as I have stated this numerous times - I hope I am wrong in my belief that having some form of survival knowledge will be essential to the coming times. I have never wanted to be wrong so badly. But, you know, I just can't shake the feeling that something dreadful is headed down the pike - something unprecedented - that will radically redefine how we all live our everyday lives. Many here, as kooky as their beliefs may seem, feel it too. And by the way, isn't that the point behind Avalon? Networking for preparedness? This site wasn't created to swap stock tips or bread recipies - it was created as an organizational tool for the Ground Crew.

If I'm wrong, I'll get to have one helluva' yard sale.
If I'm right, I might just be able to make a positive impact on the world and the people around me.
If the planet explodes, then I'll just be.

Peace, love, and funny colors,

The HistoryCircus

[sunnyrap]

Some here bristling about asking for donations (that are probably too sparse to pay for the site) are forgetting Bill and Kerry did a HUGE amount of work and put all their findings online for free, because it was such important information. Few if any of us would be here on this nicely designed site trying to compare notes and discern best choices of actions to take on this information if they hadn't.

A totally negative response to all of this is as valid a response as any, and it allows others to test the strength of their own concepts against it. But it bemuses me why anyone judging all this info to be negative, doom and gloom leading to nothing good, would hang around on it negating the other views, which by your stated philosophy, gives it more energy even than agreeing with it. If you genuinely believe giving all this 'doom' information attention is injurious, then the obvious response is to leave the site and don't come back, don't tell anyone about it.

[Sanat]

As long as you fear physical death life is bound to be dominated by doom/gloom (allthough it is repressed in most cases and express itself as a general anxeity for anything real) because doom/gloom seems inevitable from that perspective. It does not matter what happens outside as all it can do is to bring up fear of physical death (which seems like doom/gloom to the ego). Transcending fear (of death) is primary to transcending doom/gloom in any form it may take. It is impossible to survive life, but it is possible to realize you are immortal.

[Magii]

New Audio from B. D. -

More Fearmongering
~~~~~

This is the Anti Doom Thread --

Let me be the first -- none of that will happen!

Nothing bad is gonna happen on Tuesday 7th

:smoke:

[Hypnotize]

New Audio from Bill Deagle -

More Fearmongering
~~~~~

This is the Anti Doom Thread --

Let me be the first -- none of that will happen!

Nothing bad is gonna happen on Tuesday 7th

:smoke:

yeah, bill deagle may be telling the truth but I was still kinda disapointed when heard that message. I'm frankly sick of all the doom and gloom talk/threads, it those kind of things that will make these doom and gloom scenarios reality if there not already.

[Magii]

yeah, bill deagle may be telling the truth but I was still kinda disapointed when heard that message. I'm frankly sick of all the doom and gloom talk/threads, it those kind of things that will make these doom and gloom scenarios reality if there not already.


Do me a favor -- go to that guys website and tell me ..

What does he sell ?

And if that doesnt make you wonder .. I dunno what else to tell ya ..

[zorgon]

Zorgon,This site wasn't created to swap stock tips or bread recipies - it was created as an organizational tool for the Ground Crew.


So what exactly then does this Ground Crew do?

Its funny that not ONR person has yet piped up and said they have an emergency kit :bleh:

And no it was not aimed directly at you... you merely provided the catalyst. So don't take offence... as has been pointed out this is the ANTI DOOM thread... there are plenty Ground Crew threads all in neat little boxes already.

But experience, recent world news and history have shown me you better be prepared for yourself and immediate family first... because counting on others in a disaster is if at best... it usually quickly turns to 'every man for himself' in a hurry, no matter how good the intentions.

And you will be of no use to help others, if you are not able to help yourself first

[uranian]

while i do expect some fairly major changes imminently, i absolutely agree with the original poster. when you find yourself becoming depressed by all the gloom, may i suggest 100 hundreds seconds of your life be dedicated to this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=luVjkTEIoJc)?

[historycircus]

So what exactly then does this Ground Crew do?

Its funny that not ONR person has yet piped up and said they have an emergency kit :bleh:

And no it was not aimed directly at you... you merely provided the catalyst. So don't take offence... as has been pointed out this is the ANTI DOOM thread... there are plenty Ground Crew threads all in neat little boxes already.

But experience, recent world news and history have shown me you better be prepared for yourself and immediate family first... because counting on others in a disaster is if at best... it usually quickly turns to 'every man for himself' in a hurry, no matter how good the intentions.

And you will be of no use to help others, if you are not able to help yourself first

Sorry Z, maybe you missed my "Survivors' Eyes Only" thread. Many of us there have the kit ready to go.

And by the way, I don't do service-to-self; my preparations are for a total of 10 people, much less than my family unit. And if more than that seek my help, I'll kill myself working hard making sure they eat. History and current events don't mean chit to me - help all who need it I say. That is the true measure of a man, and the essence of being human.

You pray that the bailout works, and that the war ends, and that the grocery stores still have food on their shelves in the morning. And if I run into your hungry, ill-prepared self on my exodus, I look forward to sharing a meal with you, and will be able to sterilize your wounds.

I wish you peace.

[historycircus]

If you find yourself depressed - do something positive about it.

[The Illuminated Ones]

I

DOOM & Gloom are great money makers .. dont get trapped - if u see people selling books, audio or whatever - put your thinking caps on :trumpet:!

Do NOT put on the thinking caps - they contain RFID chips and Aspartame.

Original poster is a reptilian.

And so am I.

[The Illuminated Ones]

Avalon is a gathering point for many special people, the vibrations so strong I get vertigo being attached...

Imagine being in a group of people that as they read the doom, can bend reality so the outcome changes... We need the dreamers telling us the horrors they are seeing in our future, so we can make the changes needed now to prevent it...

When Henry first said it, I didn't really believe it, now I'm doing it...

It's also a gathering point for some clinically depressed people.

[The Illuminated Ones]

Zorgon,
With that being said, all of us are here because of that other 10% - the stuff that can't be explained as swamp gas and weather balloons. While we cannot prepare for our sun going nova, or a planetary collision, there are potentialites that we can prepare for. Natural and man-made disasters await us, whatever form one chooses to believe they will take, so why not be prepared for that which can be prepared for?



Well thats all fine, but what about the people who go out looking for weather balloons and swamp gas, only to find that the government has substituted UFO's for them?

What about that then, my pretty little Chupacabra?

[Magii]

Do NOT put on the thinking caps - they contain RFID chips and Aspartame.

Original poster is a reptilian.

And so am I.

Im not a Reptilian ---

If you want to insult - go to another thread ..

This is Anti-Doom.. no insults required here .. just anti doom talk

[Magii]

New Audio from B. D. -

More Fearmongering
~~~~~

This is the Anti Doom Thread --

Let me be the first -- none of that will happen!

Nothing bad is gonna happen on Tuesday 7th

:smoke:


Oct 7 is half way thru -- and yah .. no SUPER DOOM has occured ..

For the people who were "scared" I hope this is a lesson - its very common to fear the unknown or anything you dont understand .. dont let it get the best of you !

Have a Hug .. its Free
:huglove:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qw-VRDr2Yh4

[peacelovinman]

I agree with the premise of this thread. Let's have some forum sections devoted to real solutions and what people are doing on a local level to implement them.

The Venus Project (www.thevenusproject.com) mentioned in the new Zeitgeist movie looks interesting.

The Ringing Cedars movement (www.ringingcedars.com) which stemmed from Vladimir Megre's books also suggests a solution.

Both offer visions of the future that give hope.

Here's more folks that are doing something positive: http://www.pathtofreedom.com/

And here: www.loveforlife.com.au.

Let's get out there and do something, there's power in action. Let's be the change we want to see in the world.

[Orion Morris]

I also agree with the premise of this thread...

I dont understand how all these doom and gloom threads are allowed to just snoball into almost full blown panic and then I made one thread about Bill Hicks and his take on spiritual awakening and it was removed because he refrences mushrooms. It was a video on youtube about the release of fear and the acceptence of oneness and love..

How the f##k is the release of fear and the message of love not acceptable on this site?

Seriously check out the video just run a search for Bill Hicks and mushrooms and it should come up... there is no video of him but kind of a slide show that is really unnecessary for the message..

I would post the link again but I do not want to get hassled again.

[Book]

a new personality emerges with new values.
What I have experienced in this forum is a sense that I have finally found a place where I am understood, a place where I can be the real person I am, not the person society forces me to be to survive.

This is not a new personality. For the first time in five decades, I am in an environment where I may be, with the blessing of those about me, the individual I was meant to be, the real me.

There can be no greater gift in life than that. In this day and age, in this sick and twisted world, HOPE is just about all we have left. Do not take that away from us as well.

Go well,
Book

[Suriel]

Doom and Gloom can sometimes be a reaction of living in an unfair society self serving structure. It is that little voice in your head that wants justice and freedom.

There are many people that want the end of the world because they are tired of suffering. The heavier populated areas feel this tension. And 2012 opened a whole new gateway for new age people to make a living in this prison economic system.

This can be a problem, because now there is a created uprising of prophecies and predictions that may not be true. This can cause even more pain and suffering because now people are being misguided. Then you have a creation of new false religions and cults on top of the already disturbing chaotic structure of slavery.

And when these new changes occur, sooner or later, we will need to realize that we are all connected and need to work together to solve our problems. Instead of being a believer or follower, you need to become a creator.

A creator of solutions. A creator of productive heart-warming decisions that make a greater impact on your surroundings. A creator of faith. A creator of generosity. A creator of common sense.

I am temperance. Many of you may be confused with my messages thinking I am a new age hugs and kisses kind of guy. No, I am just like you. I am human. I have within myself light and dark. I choose to balance the two and look at life with compassion.

I encourage we worki together to make the world a better place.

We all have a little Doom in our lives. We all have fears that we face internally. But we still move forward into the abyss. And we will survive.
I proclaim that we must think about solutions instead of destruction. There is too much at stake to just wish everything destroyed. It takes more courage to live in Humility. And Humility will be our salvation.

[Realview]

I agree with the sentiment. Although karmas will be eradicated and communities, states and nations occasionally pay up in bulk, the purpose of this creation is to exhaust imperfection. Annihilating civilization doesn't facilitate that. The very purpose of TV and movies, long term, is so people will be able to see the image of the Supreme Being as it is manifested on earth. Bombing civilization back to the stone age won't facilitate salvation. The real higher powers will prevent that from happening. The teacher is out of the class room, the children are acting up, but within limits. That doesn't mean significant traumas won't be happening. They will happen and continue to happen throughout the existence of the regions of matter.

[Reveling John]

There is no solution.

We are slipping further and further into a state of being confounded. Utterly disoriented. Ripped from our common structures of thought and behavior.

Prepare, prepare, prepare. We will never be prepared for what is to come. That is simply not the point.

Terrence McKenna has always made this point in such elegant ways:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-50bgCJzlzE&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLFSz5zCs5o&feature=PlayList&p=6AABE0B01C7AD5C6&index=0&playnext=1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_WHu08oJ_o&feature=PlayList&p=C613AB3BC57E5230&index=0&playnext=1

[Accipiter_Phi]

Its October 7th...

and its a beautiful day in Los Angeles... thats the best surprise of all.
We have decided that none shall prevail against our City of Angels.

Reality is what one makes of it... and this fine day I feel like spoutin' a few platitudes!:

Fear only leads to anger... Anger leads to hate... and hate is the path to the darkside. :lightsabre:

This forum is like an onion.... when you peel away the layers, you cry.

I think that perhaps some people are actually turned on by false, fear based prophecies like that of Dr. Doom Deagle.

This is why I am leaving the forum... not enough useful information... just speculative fear & conjecture spreading like a SoCal wildfire during Santa Anna winds...

PS: Where the hell is the Robert Dean interview? Obviously his message was too positive and therefore deemed "Not Newsworthy." Does this beg the question as to the motives of K & B's information filtration tactics? Are they trying to paint a certain picture? And if so, why? HMMMMM... Could they be under subtle subconscious orders to turn lightworkers into wide eyed fear junkies... thus, disempowering them?
Are they being presented with an ever expanding parade of disinformation agents?
Once one has the big picture of the falacitic properties of living in the fear frequency, do the answers to the afforementioned questions even matter?

This is why I am setting sail for greener pastures.:winksmiley02:

[Suriel]

Accipter,

Do you have any suggestion on where lightworkers and non-doom members can go? If there is a forum for lightworkers, please post some nice links in my profile or PM me.

Thanks,
Suriel

[Magii]

Accipter,

Do you have any suggestion on where lightworkers and non-doom members can go? If there is a forum for lightworkers, please post some nice links in my profile or PM me.

Thanks,
Suriel

If you go to GLP -- make sure you know its Brainwashing city there

I'm starting to wonder that about this forum ... you get alot of the typical Brainwashing type of stuff on here -- being spammed ..

:shocked:

[sunnyrap]

And THIS thread is another 'us VS. them' position. "The Doomers" as you are labeling them (as opposed to yourself) see what is going on and are trying to come up with some practical solutions. "The Law of Attraction/Positive Thinkers/'Wise Men' are trying to mind-meld a new reality out of pure thought. (Except I study all of that, too and know that inspired action is required, as well).

But even if it weren't, couldn't you hold the THOUGHT that both the 'preparers' and the 'positive thinker-believers' positions have validity and will lead to downfall of evil selfish practices, if you truly believe that holding a mental image will do it? I've seen constant positive affirmations work miracles, so I'm certainly not one to invalidate it. But I've also seen consistent positive actions push the reality into better experience for all, too.

The DOOM has been created by folks who do not think like you and have no feelings of universal love and connectedness like you--and I'm not talking about the people on this forum, but those who manipulated in secret to create this mess, because they too separated themselves as better and more enlightened than the ones their actions destroyed. They are the ones you need to go talk to about how they 'hold' things, imo...

[Magii]

And THIS thread is another 'us VS. them' position. "The Doomers" ...

You have Heard the phase "Sex Sells"

Well lets make a new one "Doom Sells"

Just about everyone who preaches Doom, Sells something ..

Some Sell Books, DVDs, Food Supplies, Medi, Pills, T-Shirts ...

Some do Speech Tours-- some say BUY GOLD & Silver and in the back are the ones selling you it or are affiliated with a company that does...

The list goes on ..
~~~
All I say is .. when you hear DOOM or any sort of a Agenda - do some research - the internet is big -- use it!

:thumb_yello:

[Magii]

mmhmmm ANTI-DOOM .. the best type of DOOM there is ..

Join the Anti-Doom party .. :welcomeani:


**heres a song to get the party started**
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=da88uC3r-HA

[Xhaosis]

In order to understand the current situation in OUR WORLD, is balance, perhaps none of this economical, fallout is effecting you, yet still here is the clincher. Each and everyone of us are all one. What I mean is you and I every Homo sapient is related and connected. Were all made of the same stuff. For if we were not so much in common societies would not function. With morals, and other things collapsing that constrict and build the facades around our societies we begin to encumber and walk heavily we begin feeling things that were not coming ashore prior to a functional society, for those feelings were forgotten and not needed nor were they appropriate for our functional way of life. Not to be gloomy or doom like, but our World is in wonder, our way of life is in danger of changing, looking at life without Gods, or aliens or something to fear for our actions make us arrogant in the belief that we can be our own God's. On a theological level even if we handed out a bible to each and every person in the World to try to save the morals, the world is to small. When a child can connect to the internet and watch porn, when a murderer can be cleared of a murder even after he is proven guilty, when pollution is released in the air killing our planet with no responsibility's being taken, when non citizens are treated better then citizens occur via social services occur, when so many injustices occur, via greed, arrogance, or even ignorance you end up here. Right now in this moment.. The world is Humankind's conscious. I am not that surprised, and nor will I give up. I am optimistic, we ourselves are the ones making life harder. No one else. Perhaps subconsciously we are all seeking the end, the one thing certain in our life, what we all live for death. Perhaps it is our subconcious actions as a whole, as our World, reflecting via our news channels our news papers and within our souls. I dunno.. I am not ready to give up yet thou. Their is still much to do..:winksmiley02:

[izz]

[QUOTE=Magii;49672]mmhmmm ANTI-DOOM .. the best type of DOOM there is ..

Join the Anti-Doom party .. :welcomeani:


QUOTE]

totally agree .. and kevin was right we have to become creators ..

CREATORS .. what we think, what we focus on, our actions they will create or destroy .. the doom sayers .. they are focusing on the dark ..

because the energy is changing alot of dark stuff is coming up to be lets say transmuted this is ona personal level and a group level etc etc ..

those who have nt cleared alot of their stuff .. will be feeling scared and unbalanced and be more inclined to veer towards the dark prophecies because it vibrates with the stuff they are clearing.

i know that Magli is right .. :)

[izz]

In order to understand the current situation in OUR WORLD, is balance, perhaps none of this economical, fallout is effecting you, yet still here is the clincher. Each and everyone of us are all one. What I mean is you and I every Homo sapient is related and connected. Were all made of the same stuff. For if we were not so much in common societies would not function. With morals, and other things collapsing that constrict and build the facades around our societies we begin to encumber and walk heavily we begin feeling things that were not coming ashore prior to a functional society, for those feelings were forgotten and not needed nor were they appropriate for our functional way of life. Not to be gloomy or doom like, but our World is in wonder, our way of life is in danger of changing, looking at life without Gods, or aliens or something to fear for our actions make us arrogant in the belief that we can be our own God's. On a theological level even if we handed out a bible to each and every person in the World to try to save the morals, the world is to small. When a child can connect to the internet and watch porn, when a murderer can be cleared of a murder even after he is proven guilty, when pollution is released in the air killing our planet with no responsibility's being taken, when non citizens are treated better then citizens occur via social services occur, when so many injustices occur, via greed, arrogance, or even ignorance you end up here. Right now in this moment.. The world is Humankind's conscious. I am not that surprised, and nor will I give up. I am optimistic, we ourselves are the ones making life harder. No one else. Perhaps subconsciously we are all seeking the end, the one thing certain in our life, what we all live for death. Perhaps it is our subconcious actions as a whole, as our World, reflecting via our news channels our news papers and within our souls. I dunno.. I am not ready to give up yet thou. Their is still much to do..:winksmiley02:

can you please break the text up i cannot read it in this format - thanks

[Xhaosis]

can you please break the text up i cannot read it in this format - thanks

NO, its a primative format... SIMPLE.

[izz]

ok but people cant read it :naughty:

[Xhaosis]

ok but people cant read it :naughty:

I see...

Well I can...

Its not in the queens tongue format..

yet its simple. I am sure the people I want to read it have no problems..

Why is this important? No copy and paste material here sorry...

[izz]

well i wanted to read it - but i could nt i found it hard .. but thats fine .. you chose to do whatever :)

[Xhaosis]

well i wanted to read it - but i could nt i found it hard .. but thats fine .. you chose to do whatever :)

stop looking for laws in knowledge, and you can...

take care...

[Martian Tigress]

I go inward, and I trust myself and my own energies and Guides. They saw nothing occurring on Oct. 7th, and they were right. I therefore did no worrying about Oct. 7th, and I was right.

Dark things do go on in the world, mostly because people keep trying to give away their free will to others, and they look for others to save them, satisfy them, sedate them, to relieve them of making choices and from being responsible for those choices.

Simply put, the way out of any externally generated chaos is to shut it off and go within. Find out from yourself what you need to do, or not do, personally. Your movement or stillness will thus be perfectly tailored to the situation you are in, even if at first it may not consciously seem so. Then you either act to further it, or you do not act, and so you move along your own Middle Path.

The first key is to only act upon that which you receive clearly within yourself, and which you resonate with. The second key is to simply move in accord with what you know to be true for you. The rest will move in its own way, and with its own guidance-- others do, after all, have their own free will.

Trust yourself, and if you find that you cannot, it is of the utmost importance that you discern why you cannot, and then work diligently to improve your sense of self-acceptance. This is an entirely personal process that is individual to each: no one else's experiences or techniques are going to solve your personal dilemmas, because they are not you in your Sovereign uniqueness.

Each being already has all the wisdom they need within themselves to sort out any situation, internal or external. The innermost core of every being is neither flawed nor in need of outside authority or a stamp of approval. Doctrines which teach that individuals are inherently flawed are guilty of veiling the truth.

Therefore--

Because I personally do not wish for discord or calamity, I do not sow it, with either my thoughts or my actions.

Because I am powerful in and of myself, I have no trouble whatsoever understanding that everyone else has their own self-ruling power to make their own decisions as they see fit.

I cannot change what others do, or how they think, but I can change how I move with regard to them. While others may choose not to change, a change in my actions will certainly mean a change in the end result of a situation for me.

I am consciously choosing to lift my own vibration. I am also choosing to stay at the forum because I can personally see the need of a counterbalanced, neutral context in which discussion can take place, and I contribute to that context.

Peace,

Martian Tigress

[dolphin]

Some here bristling about asking for donations (that are probably too sparse to pay for the site) are forgetting Bill and Kerry did a HUGE amount of work and put all their findings online for free, because it was such important information. Few if any of us would be here on this nicely designed site trying to compare notes and discern best choices of actions to take on this information if they hadn't.

A totally negative response to all of this is as valid a response as any, and it allows others to test the strength of their own concepts against it. But it bemuses me why anyone judging all this info to be negative, doom and gloom leading to nothing good, would hang around on it negating the other views, which by your stated philosophy, gives it more energy even than agreeing with it. If you genuinely believe giving all this 'doom' information attention is injurious, then the obvious response is to leave the site and don't come back, don't tell anyone about it.

i couldn't agree more. very well said. i've noticed there are several posters here who repeatedly respond to posts in the way you just described, and in a manner which shows their ignorance on those topics--no matter the topic. instead of leaving the post, they go onto all the threads and write a lot of pedantic, negative things w out adding value. as michael st. claire mentioned earlier, ... it just takes a few to spoil the pot.

[izz]

dolphin posted on a chemtrail thread


i'm getting tired of reading a thread and seeing .. ARE DAMAGING THIS SITE! people who have imp info are having to waste their time by answering to these goons.

can a moderator please step in!

really ...

[izz]

i couldn't agree more. very well said. i've noticed there are several posters here who repeatedly respond to posts in the way you just described, and in a manner which shows their ignorance on those topics--no matter the topic. instead of leaving the post, they go onto all the threads and write a lot of pedantic, negative things w out adding value. as michael st. claire mentioned earlier, ... it just takes a few to spoil the pot.

dolphin this is the anti doom thread and you are one of the doomers .. so why post here if you want doom .. this is antidoom remember

[Donald]

M,

I am not selling anything, and if the message of your post is to remain calm in troubled times, I can agree. If the message of your post is to caution against jumping to conclusions, I can agree. However, if the message of your post is to conclusively state that those things are not possible, and with certainty not going to happen, then I cannot agree, for that is no better than panicking for no reason.

As an easy example, were you to tell an average citizen of Germany in 1928 that their nation was headed towards a tyranical form of government that would play a major role in the deaths of millions, they would likely and understandably scoff at the notion.

There is a subtle, but important distinction between doomsaying and turning a blind eye towards troubling developments. That fine line in the middle is to recognize something for what it is. As an easy example, a law which allows a citizen of the United States to be arrested, detained indefinetly, and not charged for a crime, merely at the whim of the executive branch, does not require hyperbole to be troubling to a keen intellect.

Again, I am not necessarily arguing with you, since I don't know the motivation behind your comments, but I don't agree with the generalization either.

Z

My opinion (even though no one asked for it)? You are the wise man on that thread.

[izz]

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[Donald]

why is he the wise man ? because what he says dovetails with what you think ?


What if it does? I'm entitled to my own opinion right?

[izz]

What if it does? I'm entitled to my own opinion right?
yea you are ..

[Magii]

Here it is guys and gals ..

We are entering a New World Order of

dum dum dum

"Meritocracy" !!!!!!!!!!!!!

Meritocracy is a system of a government or another organization wherein appointments are made and responsibilities are given based on demonstrated talent and ability (merit), rather than by wealth (plutocracy), family connections (nepotism), class privilege (oligarchy), cronyism, popularity (as in democracy) or other historical determinants of social position and political power. In a meritocracy, society rewards (by wealth, position, and social status) those who demonstrated talent and competence, demonstrated through past actions or by competition.




~~~~~
Watch Everyone Start to use "Meritocracy" ----

[Magii]

25 Tactics for Truth Suppression

1. Hear no Evil
2. Incredulous
3. Rumormonger
4. Straw Man
5. Ridicule
6. Hit & Run
7. ? Motives
8. Authority
9. Play Dumb
10. Old News
11. Fake Confess.
12. Too Complex
13. False Logic
14. Not Enough
15. Twist Facts
16. Lose Evidence
17. Change Subject
18. Antagonize
19. Ignore Proof
20. False Evidence
21. Subvert
22. New Truth
23. O.J. (Create bigger distractions)
24. Silence Opp.
25. Vanish

[source (http://www.benfrank.net/disinfo/)]

[Magii]

New Anti-Doom Alert


Question to Sleeper about the US Dollar - if its gonna get zapped

Responce was :
"Are you in a hurry for the house of cards to come tumbling down

There are plenty of bad entities and their flunky human Representatives trying their damdest to spook the herd into a stampede.

But the dollar will remain strong for many years to come. All other currencies depend on that. Like it or not. "


-there u go people .. .. when you hear someone tell u the Dollar is gonna collapse, no one wants the dollar .. etc etc .. remember this :P

[Magii]

-Stock Market Doom / Collapse (checks off the doom list for Oct 24 )

Whats the next DOOM to come to a Theater near you ?!

Someone needs to make a list -- if anyone has one .. plz post it here

and Ill go .. day by day .. event by event ..checking it off the doom list .. !!

:lmao:


Meanwhile .. have a drink and remember - No one, no one, no one ... can get in the way of what I'm feeling !!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_v7YmSgJBFw
:wub2:

[Magii]

Can someone point out the new "DOOM & GLOOM" scare ?

Is there a new one out yet?

I havent been reading up as much .. im pondering if anyone made something new up .. :wink2:

[Magii]

Ha .. a must for the Anti DOOM Thread ..

Check this lady out !

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=p0TCyAgNvDA&feature=related

[777 The Great Work]

What is doom? All endings are beginnings:wall:

[sebring1963]

Ha .. a must for the Anti DOOM Thread ..

Check this lady out !

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=p0TCyAgNvDA&feature=related

What a trip... she also channels Hitler
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=hfTJGAVMCDk

[capreycorn]

What a trip... she also channels Hitler
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=hfTJGAVMCDk

whoa there!

is this "destiniproductions" for real...i mean i just watched the "adolf hitler" series..and man! was he the "light bearer" or what!?

[capreycorn]

sebring 1963, thanks for the link.(it`s wicked :thumb_yello:)
..what is your oppinion about this "thing" they do.?

looking at the hitler videos with the kiddo talking is like looking at this:
http://www.megamonalisa.com/artworks/megamonalisa_found-mona-hitler.jpg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2qvN0iyvr8&NR=1
der fuehrer of the past (deutsch)

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=J-VzAyBrGyo&feature=related
the fuehrers return to innocence (redemption). (english)

hitler talking about his childhood part 1 up to his redemption part 13-15...
boring but mind blowing.

(if this is for real, we should all see this...)
(but don`t expect to see an ole adolf :mad3: performance)

[capreycorn]

Ha .. a must for the Anti DOOM Thread ..

Check this lady out !

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=p0TCyAgNvDA&feature=related


HI MAGIIIIIIIIII !:wub2:
interesting post.:thumb_yello:
do you know how "good" she really is? (i don`t, but some things said do "resonate" also with the Hitler series)
is this really a lady?
she said: "there`s no f*****g jesus coming 2012" :mfr_omg:(but she wasn`t herself there, so she is excused for the F***** word :original:)

[777 The Great Work]

http://www.megamonalisa.com/artworks/megamonalisa_found-mona-hitler.jpg :lmao::lmao::lmfao::mfr_lol:

[Magii]

HI MAGIIIIIIIIII !:wub2:
interesting post.:thumb_yello:
do you know how "good" she really is? (i don`t, but some things said do "resonate" also with the Hitler series)
is this really a lady?
she said: "there`s no f*****g jesus coming 2012" :mfr_omg:(but she wasn`t herself there, so she is excused for the F***** word :original:)


No Idea what to tell you about this lady ...

I just wanted to throw it in the pot for a different point of view ..

then the DOOMers on here ... lol

She has some interesting stuff ... even if shes phony some of her ideas / ways of saying things are interesting ..

:thumb_yello:

[Magii]

A Shift is needed in the Anti-Doom Thread --

and will shift to Musical wonders ..


First on the list is Yanni
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=uIdEagc5-7A

Check out some of the amazing intel he gives away to people for FREE!

One Quote from the video "Human Beings are very powerful, all of us not just sonme of us ,, and there is nothing that we can not do ... there are no limits"

:trumpet:

[capreycorn]

just wanted to say : thanks for posting!

http://eupodiatamatando.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/alfred_eisenstaedt_marinheiro_enfermeira_times_squ are_segunda_guerra_mundial.jpg

nice one....wow, yanni`s got music in his blood..
never heard yanni before...always thought its all bollywood music...now I`m really surprised.

[Magii]

------

I have Returned ...

and I can now tell ya I was RIGHT

NO DOOM had / has happened ..

:smoke: