A "Whistle Blower" open letter to Bill and Kerry, and the forum.

[Norval]

A "Whistle Blower" open letter to Bill and Kerry, and the forum.

Kerry asked me:
" 09-25-2008 02:07 PMKerry Cassidy
hi norval,
I would be happy to hear why you were talking about me selling out :-) ??
Thanks for the apology at any rate.
Best wishes, Kerry"

Well Kerry and Bill, here you go.
The story starts with an email we (Gale and I) sent to you, Bill and Kerry, at Project
Camelot, prior to this forum, outlining what we had discovered in our investigations. A
copy of that email follows this letter. We received no answer. It was assumed that you
both were quite busy and would respond accordingly. To date, we still have no answer.
For those of you that don't know me or Gale, we are what are called whistle blowers.
But our story "seems" to be an old one because it's about the bible. No, it would be an
old story if it were about religion. The bible is not about religion at all, it is about ETs and
the message that has been in our hands, now complete for about two thousand years.

Here is where this all stands today. Soon after posting this
http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=2094 thread in the First Avalon
forum, I was inundated with messages and friend requests. Question after question has
been pouring in since then, support and confirmation for the first time on any forum that
hasn't turned false, so far.

Back in 2002 an email from a high up NASA official told me, about Gale's and my
research, that had been sent to him at his request, the following: "He who runs the fastest,
runs the loneliest". We were also told that "They didn't believe Louis Pasture at first
either". (One of the discovers of germs.) And the last thing he told us was that "You may
have discovered what bridges the gap between science and religion". All other forums we
have visited have professionally trained skeptics and debunkers to keep specific
information out of the public's eyes. They have done their jobs well.

Our original email to Bill and Kerry mentioned the Information Acquisition and Control
(IAC), agents. Now they have a forum with all kinds of agents with agendas. An
experience I had back in the early spring of 1997 involved agents from the FBI, DOD,
CIA, Secret Service and a couple of others, besides a couple of Tall Whites, may be of
interest? A friend was teaching me how to use the internet and search engines. We had to
define our searches a few times but finally got one that looked promising. The only bulletin
board / forum that was about the exact thing of the bible I wanted to discuss and was
searching for, turned out to be a top secret government think tank. A common search
engine of the time took us through a loop hole in the security at this top level university by
accident where I answered 4 of their primary questions. After that I was interviewed by a
presidential advisor twice. It was quite an experience.

Maybe I should have just posted like this in the beginning, presented myself and Gale as
potential whistle blowers? This message has to do with the survivability of the human
race. We are now past a time when one of the predictions of the bible clearly indicated
we could be destroyed, our entire planet wiped of life. Your governments now know this
to be true, as do many of the hierarchy of religions, and believe. The way we present the
bible's information is in a completely non-religious fashion. The bible, in very simple ways,
tells us about the government of the galaxies of our universe. Mankind was created for a
very good reason, many will be chosen as representatives of that government. Yes,
mankind is important and many are being offered a very responsible task in the future.

This then brings me to Kerry's question; "I would be happy to hear why you were talking
about me selling out :-) ??"

We now know that the agents seem to be allowing my and Gale's testimony to be heard.
Although the beginning is now locked up in Camelot, somewhat ironic, that, I would hope
to either be able to incorporate that thread with this and another to try and bring the
whole picture into focus or something along those lines. Divide and conquer is not new to
me. Many posters have voiced opinions about this split of the forum. I think it is a good
idea. Yet the bible's message is vital to both Camelot and Avalon as it contains
information that concerns what has happened, Camelot, and what is about to happen,
Avalon. Yet I can work both sides if necessary. That is, when Camelot reopens. Gale
and I have seen amazing forum changes soon after posting some aspects of the bible's
true message and the evidence we have. Your forum changed, I reacted, time will now
tell what really transpired, and time is running out. About these things, Bill, I would like to
comment from what I know of the bible to what you wrote here.
http://projectavalon.net/forum/showpost.php?p=27189&postcount=73

UFOs are real. (Agreed)
ETs are real. (Agreed)
ETs come from different planets and different times. (Many planets, but not times.)
ETs have different agendas. (Yes)
Some ETs are benevolent, and some see us as a resource to be exploited. (Yes)
Some ETs have 'helped' the human race evolve biologically. (Actually we were created)
The US military (and probably the military of other countries) have highly advanced
technology that may be beyond what we can imagine. (Possibly, but I have a good
imagination, and I don't think they have thought big enough.)
There is human and ET activity on the Moon. (I doubt it.)
There is human and ET activity on Mars. (I doubt it.)
Mind control is a reality. (It is possible to some extent.)
Abductions are a reality. (Yes)
Free energy is a reality. (Yes)
Antigravity is a reality. (Yes, three patents.)
Time travel is a reality. (No. As it would be the ultimate weapon.)
Contactee experiences are real. (Many)
Some channeling is real. (Many. Sources can be highly deceptive.)

What does that leave us to talk about?

Here are some suggestions:

What's the future of the human race? (Answered above)
What might the ETs (and the Illuminati / our governments) have secretly planned for us?
(Read the bible.)
What do they still know that is not being told about possible and probable future events -
either planned, foreseen, or both? (What is "really" in the bible and right in front of
everybody.)
What are the most probable future timelines? (The one that we are in, the only one.)
How can we as individual, aware people respond to current events? (Learn the other
unexplored truths of the bible without religion.)
Can we influence events? (Yes, your own, and others by your actions.)
Can we influence timelines? (No, there is only one, ours.)
What might really be happening in the next few weeks and months? (I can only tell you
how it's going to happen.)
Are we collectively smart enough to stay ahead of the curve? (Sorry, this is on an
individual level only, but you can help each other to learn.)
How can we organize? (Maybe I can help a bit with that, as there is a true gathering
taking place now, only not quite what you expected.)
How much time do we have? (If you live through this you could have all the time you
want, restored to a youthful form with no defects, and never grow old again.)
Can we really envision or create the future that we want? (That would depend on what
one truly wants.)
What are the real risks or threats, and how do we recognize them? (Look around, read
the bible, do word searches in a bible computer program about what interests you. The
answers are all there.)

These issues above are what The Project Avalon Forum is for. There's plenty to talk
about. (And we agree.) {end}

There is a disclosure coming and all eyes will see it when it happens. Think of a ship that
is 1,500 miles big. Imagine the other ships that would come with the King of all the
Galaxies? You could call this "The New Age" understanding of the Bible. It will be soon
enough.

Respectfully;
Is Camelot and Avalon up to the task of reporting what the bible's real message is?
Will I be up to the task of explaining it adequately and reasonably?
Norval L. Cunningham :original:
Gale Smart :original:

[Gale]

The email.
Care to see the big picture?Monday, August 25, 2008 7:45 AM
From: "Norval Cunningham" To: bill@projectcamelot.org, [email]kerry@projectcamelot.org, Bill and Kerry; While Gale and I retired from the research we were doing for the past 6 years on Concise and Systematic (CS) crater chains we still keep our eyes on the screen looking for interesting developments. Your Project Camelot seems to be finding many of the questions we all ask about the visitors. We see a development about the destruction that is seen in our solar system, it's acceptance that it was catastrophic and not by natural causes. Our investigations revealed many of the aspects your prime interviews have shown. Yet the main questions of who, what, and why they are here remains unanswered to a great degree. So many lies at all levels of interaction about the ET's amongst us, under us, and above us. We can help tie it all together with one last piece of information.
The internet is full of Information Acquisition and Control agents, and these IAC agents do not play well with others. Especially if you have information that they really do not want on the web. It was discovered that war in our solar system was not one of the things that they wanted to see discussed on the net. Especially if it included the pictures of proof. And for damn sure if it was to have happened in the past hundred years.
CS Crater Chains are a type of in line crater effect preposterously proposed to have been caused by a space rock, comet, asteroid breaking up and landing in such a manner as to cause a "crater chain", catina, or chain of craters. A funny thing that on the web we have had a few agree with us that these were "impossible" and obvious signs of "intelligence". Yet there were dozens that flat out lied to us, lied about what we were saying, confused the issues and attacked any that would come to our aid in forums. While in real life I have had hundreds agree that these crater chains "just couldn't happen normally". With only one or two dissenters that believed vehemently that they were naturally caused by a broken up space rock landing in such a precise pattern. Hundreds of times. What are the odds of these things?
Why do your interviews seem to have many of the pieces, but just can't make the connection? Your own searching's for "truth". Maybe we can be of some help, as we have been in the past, and still am, for certain government agencies.
Yes, disclosure is close about "their" presence here, but it will only come from "those" out there we think. My dealings with the government goes back over twenty years of their interest in the research I was doing into biblical prophesy. Gale and I met via the internet as friends in a chat room. Some time later we became research partners in the CS crater chain investigations which lasted from 2002 till 2006.
Our story entails many aspects of history, mythology, legends, folklore and fairy tales, besides how the bible ties it all together. With today's technology we can understand, it's not about what shape of sentient life you are, or from where, but whether you would be a good neighbor or not. Could we trust you with our kids and cows?
Norval L. Cunningham
Gale Smart

[kaedin32x]

wow man, took me a minute to get through all that. ive got 2 questions for ya if your up for it. my first is what you said about if we survive this "storm" we will all be youthful and be immortal? are you talking like ascension or us gaining the powers to shape ourselves or something?

my second question is kinda half question/half statement. in your research of the bible i was wondering if youve dug into all the different translations and edits done to the bible over the years. i watched a video about some old guy who was working through the translations and found some interesting little points, like several sections lose a lot of meaning in the translations.

thanks for your time, i know you just finished that huge post so you gotta be wringing your hands still hahahah

[333mark333]

Has anyone studied the keys Of Enoch ( JJ Hurtak ) that book was written in 1977. Very similar.

[wes_whitewolf]

Norvel & Gale,

I recently read a very provocative document taken from a forum discussion back in 2003 and resurfaced most recently here on Project Avalon under the thread: Bloodline insider in which this person or entity claiming to have access to secrets we do not stated that religious books from the major institutionalized religions have only a small core of truth floating in a sea of perversions. What say you?
Also, do you have a different version of the bible than most? It is fact that many books held by the gnostics were removed or intentionally kept apart to the conventional version used today (i.e. the Gospel of Judas, etc.). Are you referring to the conventional version of the bible for your claims/secrets/etc? Please clarify/enlighten.
Thank you.

[gazbom]

Hi Gale and Norval,
Wonderfull stuff as usual,!
I for one don't think we all ended up on this forum together by accident, have you two any thought's on this.

[eleni]

Thank you. I looked at your picture the other day (Norval) and as an intuit I knew you were a whistleblower and had a lot of pertinent information to share. Keep it coming!!!

[bennycog]

i understand that the bible has been revised many times by kings and what not. how much of it is what we are looking for, if we were to pick the the bible up and enlighten ourselves to the connection.

[EpiphaMe]

I awakened at 3:30 this morning, pondering all that I've been witnessing here at Avalon ... and the bottom line question that surfaced in my mind has everything to do with your statement above: "With today's technology we can understand, it's not about what shape of sentient life you are, or from where, but whether you would be a good neighbor or not. Could we trust you with our kids and cows?. Good morning Norval, and by gosh, you became my first friend here. Hello to Gale! I'll be staying tuned.

[omshanti2]

Thank you Norval and Gale, for being brave enough to come forward and give us the truth, many have been searching for the truth for a long time now, and I am sure many others are very grateful to you and Gale also.
I know there are going to be some really troubled times ahead, which is an understatement, but me personaly I will be glad when the King of the Galaxy comes, perhaps then, there will be true peace for all.

what ever is done in the dark will come to the light.

Isaiah 26:20
Come, my people, enter your chambers, and shut your doors, behind you; hide yourselves for a little while until the wrath is past.

[Swamisalami]

Give the man a cigar......
And Gale a big hug.

Wonderful,.......as usual

[Norval]

Good morning, from the Pacific North West, 6 am here, and it's the Sabbath, the seventh
day of the week. A day of rest. Personally I think we need to talk with the Big Guy about
this 6 day work week. I was just getting used to a 4 day work week when I had my
retirement party at 50 years old. It was at my retirement party I was told that my
retirement was put on hold. Ministers retire at 60, and Priests at 50, according to the
bible, Except for one type of Priest which never retire, can someone tell me what that is?

First, thank you Gale for correcting my mistake of not getting the email in my first post.

Kaedin32x
Yes, those alive after the "storm" will be restored to even better physical condition than
their youth, but will not be immortal. Applied technologies will do that. The "message" still
got through all the attempts at destroying the bibles. Yes, my old shipwright hands get to
hurting at times. Thank you.

333mark333,
The "message" can be discovered and understood with just the "abridged" 66 book
version of the bibles. (KJV)

Wes White Wolf,
"Project Avalon under the thread: Bloodline insider in which this person or entity claiming
to have access to secrets we do not stated that religious books from the major
institutionalized religions have only a small core of truth floating in a sea of perversions.
What say you?"

I would say that you have it backwards. The bible is the book of truth floating in a sea of
muddy waters because of all the books "about" it. Which bible? Pick any one you like.
For research we use our computers data base with many bible versions and other ancient
texts.

Hey Gazbom,
By accident? Probably about as "accidental" as a CS crater chain.

Eleni,
Thank you, I / we, do not know everything, but like all, we are learning and sharing.

Bennycog,
There are many online bibles with good search engines, try those.

EpiphaMe
Thank you. Like your signature too.

Omshanti,
Hi again. Yes, after the King has delivered "vengeance" to the enemies, we will then have
peace and good neighbors. Your questions have been a great help, thank you.

Hey Swami,
You and Gazbom keep yer feet dry over there. Thank you.

[china2012]

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[Alexandra]

Norval,
Forgive me, but what is the problem? I am lost here. You have presented your view, why are you upset? I am serious. I do not see what I must have missed about the communications between you and Kerry & Bill.

[333mark333]

Thanks Norval :) we really appreciate your efforts.

[odiseo]

Indeed there is a lot of info in the bible , i usually don't talk much about it because there are some people who don't like or maybe can accept what the bible says if you read it in a non religious way. You can take for example Ezekiel visions, even in the apocalypse you can see the description of ET's (14His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire; 15And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters. ) Even there is a part where it mention the (Confederation of elders) but don't remember where is it right now.

I think you have done a great job and maybe will inspire others to do some search.

[stefaan]

...
I would be happy to hear why you were talking about me selling out :-) ??
...
Norval L. Cunningham :original:
Gale Smart :original:



I've looked up what cunning means and got this:
false, low, mean, nasty, sharp, vicious, vile roguish, slick, calculating, dodgy, smooth, obscene, slithery, immoral,... and the list goes on.

Cunningham could mean: cunning them.
No(r)val(ue), just cunning them ???

Then when I look up what Gale means, I get the following:
storm, stormy weather, storm wind
Producing a smart storm, are we ???

Maybe I am wrong, but may I ask:
Who is selling out who?

[OceanWinds]

Keep up the good work Norval!

and stephan... your stretching it IMO, I suggest you let actions speak louder than words.

And the only minister that cannot retire to my knowledge is the Pope, the only time a pope change happens is when one dies.

[eurosceptic]

well I'd tend say that time travel is real and ETs ARE from different times and activity on the moon and mars.....well we've landed on the moon at least and thats public.....isnt it?

[gazbom]

I've looked up what cunning means and got this:
false, low, mean, nasty, sharp, vicious, vile roguish, slick, calculating, dodgy, smooth, obscene, slithery, immoral,... and the list goes on.

Cunningham could mean: cunning them.
No(r)val(ue), just cunning them ???

Then when I look up what Gale means, I get the following:
storm, stormy weather, storm wind
Producing a smart storm, are we ???

Maybe I am wrong, but may I ask:
Who is selling out who?
Hey Stefaan, you one of them bad ET's Norval warned us about!

[odiseo]

This are difficult times for everyone of us and im sure that the people out there who will like to see forums like this turn apart will be celebrating to see us argue and blaming one another. We have many points of view , still don't know the all the true , so let's try to change all that with love , light and compassion for our brothers. If we want Et's to help us i think we need to put all out efforts and show them that no matter what we have lot of love to give and share.

[omshanti2]

what ever is done in the dark will always come to light.

[pineal-pilot-in merkabah]

so what are you saying norval and gale.. that is different to what most of us know already?? i dont see why anyone would be upset.. there is a section on avalon to post relevant spiritual info and whars happening in the 3d matrix world.. and i taek it your saying that there will be nuke war ect ect.. then the benevolent beings step in so we do not totally destroy oursleves?? as in the bible or is there something else in there..

[mntruthseeker]

I am very excited about all you wrote.

I believe in time travel and feel that Noval and Gale's expertise pretain to the bible more so that time travel.

I heard too many say they knew more about their personal project than others.

That doesn't mean that what you two wrote has "no value" Indeed it does , and a very fascinated one at that.

Off to the half price store again for me. :biggrin2:

love & peace to all

Vickie

[stefaan]

Hey Stefaan, you one of them bad ET's Norval warned us about!

Yes, yes. I am. Please, don't tell the others !

[gazbom]

Yes, yes. I am. Please, don't tell the others !
Nice one Stefaan, you had me worried there for a while, I thought you was just nasty!

[Kuculcan]

hmm? i only have one question....
Why is EVERYBODY ALWAYS referring to the bible as an primary information source?
The Bible is HARD proven to be secondary if not lower on the list, compared to the oldest civilizations here on earth.
Like the Sumerians or for ex, Horus both were born the 25th in Dec by a virgin, 3 kings came with gifts when he was born. Later he had 12 disciples, were betrayed and hanged up on the cross, just to rise back up again after 3 days, etc etc do i have to go on?
And on top of all this there are Sumerian gods with ex the same history?

Nice work btw Norval & Gale :-)

[Swamisalami]

Yes, yes. I am. Please, don't tell the others !

"There's no religion higher than the truth" as mister Gandhi would say

[Mike_Jetson]

Norval

All threads at Camelot were stopped, not just yours, which im now pleased to have read as I always wondered whether religious text greatly related to the ET stuff. Im confused also what the problem is. I suggest you carry on spill your knowledge. I for one am, as many others here clearly are, very keen to learn and take in your research.

Im reading the crater thread now so maybe I will understand

[gazbom]

Nice one Stefaan, you had me worried there for a while.
Do you know what I can't understand Stefaan?
We are provided for free, a wonderfull forum, where like minded inteligent people can discuss topics which we have a passion for, with experts in their field, who probably would want to be somewhere else but they give up their time to answer our questions, what are you contributing here, what's your point?
Do you want to ask Norval a question?
What is your point?

[Norval]

I have read the posts up to here, and will get back to the pertinate answers as soon as I
can. Thank you all for your input. That includes the IAC agents and the bad ETs too. I
really mean that.

It is about understanding the bible from a technological comprehension of what it says.
This presentation is about physical realities, not spiritual ones. Using the bible as the
picture on the cover of this "big box" puzzle brings together all the past, present, and
some of the future. And exposes the "other" writings, many that there are, for what they
are. Much truth has been received from ancient writings, tales, mythology, legends, etc.
We just compare it with what the bible says to see the truth and lies in any of those "other
writings".

I would ask of you all, to please end the private messages, my box very sooneth runneth
overeth, and that is with deleting them as they are also in my email. But thank you all for
them. Ask your questions here please. At present this forum is not set up quite to handle
something like this. I will do what I can to answer as many of your questions that I can as
fast as I can. So much for a day of rest, :lmao: but questions deserve answers.

Norval L. Cunningham
cunning ham sneaky pig? Nor val northern power? Heck, I dunna know. :original:

[Norval]

China2012,
Yes, correct, it is at a period that was inevitable.
Alexandra,
What problem? Then read them again. I am amazed at what Bill and Kerry are going
through to be honest, and they are doing their best I am sure. :original:
Pineal,
My advise is to actually read it for yourself. Start with the so called New Testament.
Kuculcan,
A normal exreligion point of view. Or, possibly another point of view with that point being
to discredit the bible. Ooopsss to late. :naughty:
Mike Jetson,
The bible was never about "religion" it was religionized by the dark side. :lightsabre:

Thank you to all the others that have posted, now to figure out how to answer all those
private messages in this thread next.
Keep looking up.
Norval

[gazbom]

Sorry.

[Stephen]

I believe there can be Time Travel.
Why do I believe that?

For one Linear time is an illusion. It is a 3D dimensional thing.
Time is not the same in other dimensions.
Everything happens at the same 'time'.
We just do not perceive that in this 3rd dimension.

We can travel 'In Time' when we dream, project, OBEs, etc.
That does not mean we can affect time. We can observe different times though.

Now is there a device that can affect time? I really do not know.
I have read about such devices. I have read when time is affected then it simply creates another 'Time Line'.
That makes sense to me to a point.
Then again I do not have any hard evidence...

[gazbom]

I believe there can be Time Travel.
Why do I believe that?

For one Linear time is an illusion. It is a 3D dimensional thing.
Time is not the same in other dimensions.
Everything happens at the same 'time'.
We just do not perceive that in this 3rd dimension.

We can travel 'In Time' when we dream, project, OBEs, etc.
That does not mean we can affect time. We can observe different times though.

Now is there a device that can affect time? I really do not know.
I have read about such devices. I have read when time is affected then it


simply creates another 'Time Line'.
That makes sense to me to a point.
Then again I do not have any hard evidence...

Old Dood, It's obvious, time travel doesn't exsist, why, because no body ever came back to introduce themselves, and one group or another, would have wiped us out by now to gain domination.

[Alexandra]

Norval,
Please do not dismiss my question. It was a valid inquiry.

I am literate and I have studied many things for more years than you and so have a lot more on this forum. Some of us here have been searching for the real truth, and I repeat real truth, not something some POPE put together from SELECTED scrolls from different sects or tribes that originally came from the SUMERIAN ANCIENT HISTORY TEXTS. Abraham came from the land of Shumer {Sumeria}

I respect your belief system and I expect you also to respect mine and others in return.

All of the answers are not in the bible, only some clues. The information that you feel is proof positive has already been written about in many books referring to bible passages for at least decades. Nothing new here.

What I saw in your correspondence with Bill and Kerry is that you believe that you are a whistleblower and should be interviewed because you have all the answers from a Biblical Technical Perspective and your ELITE connections with the government.

Bill and Kerry are not looking for the answers for the forum or the site. They are just presenting the possibilities and we make the decision about what we want to make of the information given. Additionally, Kerry and Bill have a right to their opinions as well; and you are telling them that they are wrong.

Many people on this forum have had experiences that you cannot possibly conceive. Everyone is different; and Norval, you know what? This is the beauty of the human race. Try to see the beauty in others, just for a moment. When someone does disagree with you they could be right. Check it out. Maybe you both are right.

[ctophil]

Good afternoon, Norval

I hope you are having a nice Sabbath. I also observe the 7th day rest as explained in the old AND new testaments of the Bible. Your observations of the Bible is so far very similar to what I believe. Now from my understanding, we just entered the "Great Tribulation" this month, and we are about to go into a time period of great destruction, sorrow, and death as described in perfect detail in the Bible. Do you agree? Then after this time period of 3 1/2 years (plus a couple of months), we will enter into a new age. And you are right about the small remnant of people that are chosen to be the new government of this world for the new age. People here say that you are a "whistleblower." But are you
an Israelite (Seed of Abraham and child of Yahweh Elohim) and just trying not to be spiritual; because this is not a spiritual forum? Are you also awaiting the second coming of Yahushua? Thanks, I just wanted to clarify that information.

-Phillip

[ctophil]

Oh, I forgot to answer Norval's question from an earlier post in this thread. I believe that the priest who never retires is the High Priest. There are regular priests and then there is the High Priest. Sorry to say, but it's not the Pope. And if you guys want to know who it is...just read my previous post about the second coming.

-Phillip

[Swamisalami]

What about this guy.......

http://www.johntitor.com/

Click left "John Titor story"

[Norval]

In answer to some PMs.

Which bible? Many online computer bibles are great.

hahaha! maybe bill n kerry should be interviewing you........!!! :mfr_lol::thumb_yello:

The Gathering, , , Some of that is over in Camelot in the books, videos area.

Rustanddust got it. - who/what is Melchizedek? A priest that never retires. :thumb_yello:

is this worth chasing and researching after?
In my honest opinion, Yes, truth is worth it.

[Swamisalami]

Whoops, its about timetravel....

[jaby]

A "Whistle Blower" open letter to Bill and Kerry, and the forum.

There is a disclosure coming and all eyes will see it when it happens. Think of a ship that
is 1,500 miles big. Imagine the other ships that would come with the King of all the
Galaxies? You could call this "The New Age" understanding of the Bible. It will be soon
enough.

Are you refering to the 'October Event' (14/15/16th) by any chance?
I have not heard the title, 'Information, Acquisition + Control' agents
before. But I have 'studied' various members on another, more main-stream
forum, and it is obvious to me that they are 'fake members'. Plants.
And they are going at the October 14th event, hammer and tongue.
They are making huge efforts to put people off it, control the threads,
bury information etc. etc. I suppose they must be this IAC lot..?

Me and a handful of people have had a ridiculously hard time with
them. Their 'efforts' to disrupt and control have made me think, more
than ever there is something BIG going on re. the October business.
Is it just the coming together of the collective consciousness that
they 'fear', I wonder....or do they know that a huge craft is going
to come?

I, like many others, am getting energy rushes/strong feelings connected to Oct 14 etc.
What do you think...are we preparing ourselves for something
very significant...being prepared?

Thanks very much for your time and effort here. Much appreciated.

Respectfully;
Is Camelot and Avalon up to the task of reporting what the bible's real message is?
Will I be up to the task of explaining it adequately and reasonably?
Norval L. Cunningham :original:
Gale Smart :original:

Well, I think/know that I'm up to the task of hearing it....but it's up to
you, if you want to give it a go...........:original:

[Alexandra]

Oh, I forgot to answer Norval's question from an earlier post in this thread. I believe that the priest who never retires is the High Priest. There are regular priests and then there is the High Priest. Sorry to say, but it's not the Pope. And if you guys want to know who it is...just read my previous post about the second coming.

-Phillip
What religion is this anyway? High priest?

[Alexandra]

Norval,
Why are you refusing to answer my question?
I understand everything about the order of Melchizedek and Mary Eddy Baker.
Apparently, there is no point in discussing anything with you because your belief system says that you are superior.

[jaby]

Give him chance...it's only been 4 minutes...lol.

edit to say....if it was your question in #43.

[ctophil]

Alexandra,

To clear things up, the High Priest I was referring to is Yahushua who is the High Priest after the order of Melchizedek. This is not a religion. All religions are manmade...designed to confuse people. Yes, there are some truths in some religions, but are very few. Mostly of the stuff in religions are disinformation. I'm a child of the Most High (YHWH, this is the true spelling of His name transliterated from Hebrew). If you read the book of Psalms, it does say "Yah" ("Jah" in the King James) in there. That's the first part of His true name.

-Phillip

[Norval]

Norval,
Why are you refusing to answer my question?

I am just allowing you your right to beliefs as to how you see things. :original:

Norval


Priest;
Instead of a religious possition, think of it as a possition in the Monarchy called the Kingdom of the Heavens, or Galaxies. Simple really.

[freeze]

Norval

I have been reading some of your posts recently and I find them facinating ... I am not religious myself but have been searching for answers all my life. I stumbled across " The Kolbrin" years ago ... it is supposedly where the other religions and stories may have come from. If you have any knowledge on "The Kolbrin" it would be much appreciated .... the only thing I could find pertaining to it is at this website.

http://www.culdiantrust.org/


I have heard it discussed in length a few years ago on "Mysteries of the Mind" an internet show with Alex Merklinger with guest James Mccanney and have heard very little about it since. I cant access the shows archives to re listen to the show as the website is still up even though he has stopped broadcasting for years.

If anyone else has info on "The Kolbrin" it would be much appreciated..

[paul1980]

To Norval and Gale, and anyone else who is reading this:
This is not going to be a question, and it is not meant as a comment or debunk, it just represents my view of things today, i welcome any corrections, and all please feel free to be yourself on this one.

As when i have read many forums i always have seen the following occur, 1: Message, 2: ask for proof 3: after a while it is no longer about a message, it has become a conflict, devided into a few camps namely, the followers, the critics, the distancemakers (yes new word), the supporters, and the readers, and a few others.
Normally i like to be a reader. And sometimes i am a needed, that means i have an issue that i need to be lit by different opinions so that i can find my own way in my discovery of myself and my surroundings, such as this one.

Ok, here goes.

There is one thing and one thing alone that we must never forget, even with all the knowledge provided we must learn to create our own vision of understanding. eg. do you like ice because you learned it is nice or do you know what you want. or another one: if you believe strongly enough that you are sick, then you will be sick. Decide if you want to be projected upon.

We all function within our given parameters, by knowing your own parameters, you can use them, and (de) activate them.
Is a final battle interesting when you already know yourself? do you think the one who controles food really can control the masses when masses know who masses are? When everyone would know the real truth do you think that there is a fight?
Dark and light are only words to keep people in place, between words as in the bible or qran or any other holy book, the only thing that i have read is that we are all equal, and when we know ourselves and have faith in ourselves, the great devide stops and becomes one.
Is it important to know where we came from?, is that a part of who i am? i know where i came from, i am made of the same, "lets say particles", as all that is around me, therefore that makes me equal, therefore that makes me one, what holds us back is fear, and lack of understanding, we do refuse to understand because we fear. (as do i)

What will happen around us, with our limited knowledge of ourselves and therefore our limited knowledge of all that is around, that will happen, until we know better.
There is no balance, there just "is".

Anyway, It is only a good thing that we can learn more and more to help each other pushing along the way of waking up, i love to see people helping each other, i love to be helped, and i love to help. :original: just keep in mind, we can help each other, but not become each other.

[Alexandra]

I am just allowing you your right to beliefs as to how you see things. :original:

Norval


Priest;
Instead of a religious possition, think of it as a possition in the Monarchy called the Kingdom of the Heavens, or Galaxies. Simple really.

Norval I do not believe in religions. They are hive mind control systems, in my opinion, of course. I am familiar with the cosmic hierarchy and all of it's councils. I also know that they do not promote superiority unless they are in service to self portions of this galaxy. When one has all of the answers there is no longer a need to be here to learn. Therefore, since you are still on this planet, I gather you are still a student. Good speed on your journey to the Creator of all that is not just the Order of Melchizedek.

[Swamisalami]

Hi Norval,

What's your opinion about "The Urantia Book".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Urantia_Book

Does it fit your way of thinking or do you see it as disinfo?

[Norval]

, , , another book?

, , , another book.

I am having enough fun just talking about the bible, thanks, LOL

It is the Sabbath, so I am off of here till later.
Keep looking up, ,
and reading the book. The bible.

Norval

[ctophil]

Norval I do not believe in religions. They are hive mind control systems, in my opinion, of course. I am familiar with the cosmic hierarchy and all of it's councils. I also know that they do not promote superiority unless they are in service to self portions of this galaxy. When one has all of the answers there is no longer a need to be here to learn. Therefore, since you are still on this planet, I gather you are still a student. Good speed on your journey to the Creator of all that is not just the Order of Melchizedek.

Alexandra,

You certainly have a point there. All of us must humble ourselves before Elohim. If we feel that we should be superior than others, then you just stumbled and hurt yourself. Remember that the least in the Kingdom of Heaven will be called the greatest, while the greatest will be called the least.

-Phillip

[Stephen]

Old Dood, It's obvious, time travel doesn't exsist, why, because no body ever came back to introduce themselves, and one group or another, would have wiped us out by now to gain domination.

That is where Time Lines come into play....
You cannot 'Go back' then change something then 'Come back' here to this time line.

[Alexandra]

Alexandra,

You certainly have a point there. All of us must humble ourselves before Elohim. If we feel that we should be superior than others, then you just stumbled and hurt yourself. Remember that the least in the Kingdom of Heaven will be called the greatest, while the greatest will be called the least.

-Phillip

Please explain what you mean? I didn't stumble or anything. what are you talking about?

[paul1980]

Alexandra,

You certainly have a point there. All of us must humble ourselves before Elohim. If we feel that we should be superior than others, then you just stumbled and hurt yourself. Remember that the least in the Kingdom of Heaven will be called the greatest, while the greatest will be called the least.

-Phillip

Ah, the famous system of politics, it is a message of revenge and power.

My view,
There are no greatest, there are no least, we all have the same value, we are only different right here and now in how we view things and how we know ourselves.

Being angry is not knowing oneself, being angry is demonstrating the lack of selfknowledge.
We are all equal, there is not need to humble.

[ctophil]

Please explain what you mean? I didn't stumble or anything. what are you talking about?

Hi Alexandra,

I wasn't referring directly about you. I was further explaining about the superiority concept you pointed out to Norval. I was just saying that if you believe that you are superior than others in this world, then you are actually hurting yourself. We must all humble ourselves before the Creator will open up to you. Just like these powerful bloodlines who believe they are totally superior to us and want to rule all of us. What does this get them? Does it matter if you have the whole world but end up losing your soul in the end? Hope that helps!

-Phillip

[Jelly]

Dump this trash barge and sail for the sunrise

before its too late. this forum is riddled with

Egomania ,Dementia and dumb.Goodluck Bill and

Kerry and i wish you the best.I know your hearts

are in the right place.You should take into

account that this cancer will spead.

I still cant believe the bunk i have read here.

Mr norval ,did you blow the whistle that the bible has secrets?

Or that some folks see aliens or the fact than mankind has a much different and more interesting past than told to us in the history books? Nevermind please. I wont be reading anymore and wont see your reply.

This whole thing is a joke.right? My turn hehe (In jest)."Im here to say to all folks in forum land. i want to tell you that sometimes government and other important people lie to us.My discovery will be of monumental importance for all times and all people."I get dibs on the first book the screenplay and Royalties everytime someone says"doomsday". Awesome! i've heard it all before (ALL)long before this forum was born. Try meditation,it'll help with tension and dealing with ass hats like myself.


p.s i'm hoping on october 14th the galaxy will

expel some large scary space crafts for your

viewing pleasure.i'll be knitting and having tea

with goblins that day .Do tell the details.
Goodluck all.

[Kuculcan]

For all you who DID NOT see this?
SEE IT !!!

http://zeitgeistmovie.com/

:sneaky2:

[Trishsgate]

Hi Norval & Gale, thank you for coming out so to speak.
This is no coincidence for me I have been listening to what Red Elk has to say about all this as well and relistened to his last message just last night. He was on Coast to Coast I believe either on Sept. 17th or 18th.. He seems to think much if not all this could be avoided (cataclysms) if we follow the creator. Would the Gnostics be more in line with less disinformation or is the bible free and clear, I really want to know.

I understand from research that it has been altered to serve the money changers and reinforce slavery. However I still value it for the moral value system it represents as well as guidance. I am sorry to say I do not find it a religious book for me to follow but more of a guide for life in general. I have researched far to many wars and conflicts that start over this subject "religion" as many people wish to represent their god as better than any other god for me this is not god in any fashion nor could it ever be it is an illusion in the mind of that person and their religious system.

[nagualton]

Hi Norval,

You are right about who's behind the bible, but certainly you are wrong if you think they (ET) create us. In this case totally opposite, they want us to believe that, it's part of the game. We are pure energy not some ET/Dr.Frankenstein experiment.

All religions on this planet are produced to keep us blind, and as far is possible from the real true.

[Alexandra]

Many blessings to everyone,regardless of your beliefs. My belief is that no matter what anyone does they are still part of the whole and hate towards any individual or group is unacceptable. Therefore, as I have said before, no one individual or group is right about everything. We all have a piece to the puzzle. Annihilation of one group over another is archaic and we should all have learned better by now. Enough said.

[nagualton]

To believe is one thing, but to know is something completely different.

[Stephen]

To believe is one thing, but to know is something completely different.
Yes, I have to agree.
Believing something really means nothing...or doesn't really matter.
What IS...now that is something to think about.

[Norval]

Well, I see by reading we have had quite the effort by some posters to disrupt the
information flow any way they can. There are a few of us that are aware of the "other
agents" operating in these forums on the net. Yes, there are the information agents, IAC,
getting and controlling information as best they can, now we see the "other agents" at
work too. I have mentioned the bad ET's, the losers of that war out there in our solar
system and beyond. By their attitudes or attributes you will know them. :thumb_yello:

One key way to recognize them is by their inability to keep their mouths shut when it
comes to a chance to defame, ridicule, malign, discredit, vilify, and degrade the bible and
it's message. Of course they will always try to make the person posting out to be just as
deplorable by deceitfully twisting the posters words around to suit their slanderous
attacks. And, yes, it is all in the bible about their methodologies but more importantly is
why they do it. Their hatred for the bible is next only to their hatred of mankind. Again the
bible is the only book that tells why.

Me? I'll stick with what tells me the truth about what is happening, and why, in our world
today, and in these very forums. Far to many have seen these posters tactics and now are
able to recognize them. Now they can also learn why they are here. Read the bible.

There is no religion in the bible, only what ones want you to think is there. :thumbdown:

[sunnyrap]

BTW, I've been studying the 'Keys of Enoch" for a couple of years in a study group lead by Hurtak approved leaders. The information in it is quite mind-blowing--very different than what I'd run into previously in my studies.

After getting into the work of Maxwell Jordan, I too started questioning which version of the Bible folks quote from. I did come to see from studying Enoch and Jordan's work how scientific/technical the information in the Bible is. I laughed my fool head off after years of chasing wisdom from Lama's, Bon Po Trungpas, a varity of Swami's, Zen Masters, Taoists, Kahunas of all stripes, how the Bible has pretty much got it covered....

I've probably missed some strategic posts, but I too am having difficulty understanding your displeasure with B&K, Norval...

[sunnyrap]

Yes, I got through more than an hour of it before it just refused to load the rest. And even at that point, I was cheering out loud and pumping the air--like Tiger Woods sinking that million dollar putt, having that expansive heart feeling when 'Willy, The Orca" sails over the barrier to freedom at sea... Finally, some uplifting thoughts and visions are breaking through the gloom like sun burning off fog!
I quickly searched their site to see how I could sign up to help their movement any way I could...

[Norval]

Another twister of words? :thumbdown:

I've probably missed some strategic posts, but I too am having difficulty understanding your displeasure with B&K, Norval...

How many times do I have to state I am not the least displeased with Bill and Kerry.
Don't you think they, or a moderator would have responded by now if it was that?
The only problem is in the minds that want there to be something.

Bill and Kerry, everyone can see what a time of it some of these kinds of posters are having in your forums. Are there enough flames yet? Shall I break out the marshmallows yet? :lmao:

[333mark333]

BTW, I've been studying the 'Keys of Enoch" for a couple of years in a study group lead by Hurtak approved leaders. The information in it is quite mind-blowing--very different than what I'd run into previously in my studies.

After getting into the work of Maxwell Jordan, I too started questioning which version of the Bible folks quote from. I did come to see from studying Enoch and Jordan's work how scientific/technical the information in the Bible is. I laughed my fool head off after years of chasing wisdom from Lama's, Bon Po Trungpas, a varity of Swami's, Zen Masters, Taoists, Kahunas of all stripes, how the Bible has pretty much got it covered....

I've probably missed some strategic posts, but I too am having difficulty understanding your displeasure with B&K, Norval...


Mind blowing is putting it lightly :) I have had the KEYS for over 10 years, and for a book written in 1977 it is amazing. I highly recommend Mr Hurtak's book. The most influential read of my life.

[sunnyrap]

Fail to see how I'm twisting anything--unintentional, if you took it that way...

BTW, I'm following several sites that disagree with your position of it being 'unlikely' that there is civilisation on Mars. This one in particular looks pretty interesting:

http://www.yowusa.com/et/2008/et-2008-09a/1.shtml
Evidence of a City on Mars?

YOWUSA.COM, 14-Sep-08
Marshall Masters

Evidence of a City on Mars? On February 01, 2008, Youtube user sean1david1ryan posted his analysis of an ESA Mars photo he obtained from the ESA web site titled Mars Civilization: Evidence By European Space Agency.

In response to reader inquiries we decided to give it a look. First thing we noticed was that this video has been viewed over 193,000 times and has earned a solid 4-star ranking. This tells us it has passed an essential smell test, with the general public.

[Alexandra]

Norval,
Perhaps, if you would be kind enough, you could give us the whole truth and then we would all know what is real. Then there would be no reason for this forum to exist. You would not have to deal with agents or bad ET's or any other undesirables. Sounds like a plan to me. If someone knows the truth then don't you believe they should help their fellow humans?

[Teresa]

Hi, I just came upon Norval's thread for the first time this evening and read through pretty much all of it. It was very interesting to me; Norval's posts, because I've had an experience in my youth; age 18; I'm now 46, that I've always been extremely curious about.

It was religious, in a sense, as I was "trying to be" a Youth teacher at the brief time.... To clarify, I was 18, out of H.S., and wanted to explore my "born into Catholic upbringing" a bit more than Sunday gospel. So, never have read 'any bible' at the time.... I decided to 'help out' as a teacher's assistant to a young teacher in his 20s teaching 'the book of Revelation.'
I did want to help these 8th graders learn.... but, looking back, I think my real objective at the time was to appease deep curiosity and finally do some real Bible study myself!

Well.... it's a long story and I don't want to strain any eyes telling it here... but what happened to me after that short, summer course was over... was anything but boring.

{Sometime I will write more about it in detail.... but for now I'll be concise}

Norval and Gale, I hope you're reading.... because I'd love to get your feedback later---

First, let me tell you I was not your "average Sunday school teacher type" --ok... (For 1980 anyway)
This means, I was 'a little bit' of "the partier".... (I don't want to sound 'vain' here.... but, I had no idea; (totally naieve!) of how 'attractive' a female 'I WAS'..... (I mean i didn't think i was ugly..... but (and i don't want to focus on this) ----- what I'm trying to tell you is I WAS THERE FOR A REASON UNKNOWN TO ME AT THE TIME --- OK ..... It was not for the teacher he was quite short, wore glasses (I wear them now... you know-- at 18... It was like; He's a geek!), etc... but he was extremely kind !

Anyway, never saw the teacher or students (except for one girl) again after the weeknight class was over after some several weeks.

Maybe a week, or two, at the most later..... "The Action Began..... !"

OK--- (I can't give the story any justice.... until i write it all out detail for detail.... but.....) in a nutshell {and that's what I'm afraid of some may think i was "a nut" at the time... !}

It started with me having an 'extreme dream' one night.... Is it called a Lucid dream ? --Where you are 'awake'...

(yes--- many details--- but the climax was 'SEEING' (my first and last time to do so) a "Light Being" at my doorway.
NOW, today, I can call it a Light Being, or advanced being, or ET.... from all I've learned about this over the net for the last three years..
But, at that time, I 'thought' it was Jesus....
I had cleared that up after I told a Pastor
my story in 2002.... (I left Catholic faith in 1995... and explored a non-denominational Christian church until 2005... when i first became "net saavy")

I liked the fact that "born again Christians" -- unlike Catholics -- ACTUALLY READ THE BIBLE....

AND i was able to FURTHER EXPLORE ! ---Through various (2 or 3) Bible studies I did with the women's group while I raised my babies.
My husband and I (of 20 years) 'planned' the first 2 babies....
The 2nd two--- happened no matter how careful we tried not to let it --- AND, the timing was 'real funny' --- the pregnancies occurred BOTH TIMES right in the beginning of a 'new Bible study'... !
(I was 41 with the last.... Thank God, all healthy children)

Now, YOU may say this is all not so strange.... but it does get weirder..
the time i was 18 that is---
"Entering another dimension..... Seeing visions.... being hospitalized by my parents because of it.... etc.."

Also, after having the last of four babies at age 41,
I noticed a "letter Y" sort of "engraving" in the center of my 'navel' --belly button-- It was not there before the pregnancy...
(I always, since childhood, had a large, outie navel... It goes inwards now)

Just "weird coincidences"...... Even though most here will say 'there are no coincidences'...... Ya just don't know

Since my real committed Christian days... I've had quite "a ride" on the internet over the last three years... learning and discerning, of course...

I read Norval's first post--- and it really rung (resonated) with me.

I haven't belonged to a church for 3 years.... and tend to not have a religion at all.... but i do feel strongly about "A Creator" --- and maybe there are multiple 'versions' of a Christ--- the most recent being; Jesus of Nazareth..
History does repeat itself as they say...

Maybe he was 'the final' teacher of that magnitude.... "so to speak" ---

/anyway... Just wanted to sum up and say I am glad Norvel and Gale are doing what they're doing---

All need to share--- and not be afraid---

Love to all~ teresa*

[bennycog]

hi norval and gale
i think we would all like to hear your view on Dr Deagles telephone call this morning.

benny

[Gale]

Gazbom
I for one don't think we all ended up on this forum together by accident, have you two any thought's on this.


Highly unlikely by accident.
Great collating keep up the good work.

Swanisalami
Give the man a cigar......
And Gale a big hug.


Thanks and hugs back.

[Kuculcan]

Please can someone ERASE my and all i written from this forum?

Hehe some here are still STUCK in the illusion of the money loving bible.
I just cant waste time on ppl like that sorry and GOOD BYE.

[Marco Malservisi]

HI Gale and Norval
thanks for all accurate info
but i dont find the version of your interpration of the bible and did not really clealry understodo where i could find it and why it has not yet come up from you in project avalon forum
at least a link to it
im surely totally interested to learn how and in wich way you read the bible and wich messages that you consider so important for us to read
so i really look finally forward to finally get a direction in where to read all your work about it
Thanks
and please you can answer here in the forum of your add
or to me personally

MArco

[Pluto]

...these guy's, except, Stefaan of course, are 100% behind you, some of them 200%!...


Please leave my name out of this, gazbom.
This 'brown dwarf' can perfectly speak for himself :thumb_yello::trumpet:.
Thank you.

+o(

[gazbom]

Please leave my name out of this, gazbom.
This 'brown dwarf' can perfectly speak for himself :thumb_yello::trumpet:.
Thank you.

+o(
Yeah OK, I understand, I had one glass too many last night, I tend to get carried away, I'm sat here with a red head now. :thumbdown:

[Norval]

Many questions about which bible to get and use, most will be just fine to use for learning. A computer only knows what is in it, so put the bible in your memory and you will be able to access it.

I borrow this from Gale, ,

We use several different versions of the Bible, printed and computer searchable programs. There is a downloadable one from e-sword that is free except for a few proprietary versions; there are possibly several programs online. Even better is the American Bible Society’s ABS database cd if you can find it somewhere.
It was suggested to me to read the Bible starting with the newest information and finish with the older. So I started with the New Testament, read that through then went to Malachi, then Zechariah, etc and ended up reading Genesis last. I did not over look the Apocrypha and Deuterocanonicals, I wanted to learn what they all had to say.

Grins up at Gaz, , , type quietly then, , ,

[Rhain]

Norval and Gale, wow is all I can say to what I have just read.

I am 47 years old and thought I knew stuff, but I know squat.

Crater chains!! Again wow, I have never heard of this before or the link to reading the bible as a ET researcher and not a religious believer.

I thank you for your postings and hope with this awesome information I can finally find the missing link within my life that I have been searching for.

Rhain

[Chris1617]

BTW, I'm following several sites that disagree with your position of it being 'unlikely' that there is civilisation on Mars. This one in particular looks pretty interesting:

http://www.yowusa.com/et/2008/et-2008-09a/1.shtml
Evidence of a City on Mars?

YOWUSA.COM, 14-Sep-08
Marshall Masters

Evidence of a City on Mars? On February 01, 2008, Youtube user sean1david1ryan posted his analysis of an ESA Mars photo he obtained from the ESA web site titled Mars Civilization: Evidence By European Space Agency.

In response to reader inquiries we decided to give it a look. First thing we noticed was that this video has been viewed over 193,000 times and has earned a solid 4-star ranking. This tells us it has passed an essential smell test, with the general public.

Hi Sunnyrap,

Not that I wish to be a killjoy, but:

After checking this out it is pretty obvious these are just digital patterns arising from the digital nature of the photograph on the computer. This is a common, though not universal effect. The rigid nature of the straight lines are a giveaway. They are also completely flat and uniform color only, and all basically the same tone and hue. The effect is enhanced by increasing contrast as was done here.

If they were thousands, or hundreds of thousands, of years old they would be very badly worn. Present-day cities? Methinks not.

Perhaps the "general public" are not that sharp?

Don't take this to mean I don't think there was once a civilization on Mars. But IMO this is not any evidence of that. Mars is a very fascinating place, and I think we may well find some very interesting things there in future decades and definitely in future generations.

[Gale]

Hi Rhain, welcome to the forum.
I have to say wow to you. Norval and I have come up against such opposition it has been phenomenal but now to see some actually benefiting and making the connections about ET’s (bad ones and good ones), the Bible as an ET communiqué, what events to expect and Whom to expect – that doesn’t mean riding a donkey :mfr_lol: also that there is scientific evidence.

:welcomeani:

[Norval]

Concerning the Bill Deagle interview with words of the bible, plus dreams and visions.
Signs in the heavens. Closing methods of escape.

A continuation of the open letter to Kerry, Bill, and the forum readers.

When the bible speaks of dreams and visions, please do your own word searches to show you
the passages for yourselves, we know that in what are called the end times, or last days, that there
would be a power or force poured out that would cause many all over the world to have dreams
and visions. Many are and have had these experiences now.

This would of course be countered with misdirection, disinformation, to muddy the waters. When
one has actually read the bible that same technology that transmits the dreams and visions can act
on what you have read of the bible and bring it back to your mind. One has to read the bible to
upload it into ones mind. Then this "spirit" can act upon it and recall things for you. With out the
data base to research, how can one know what is truth "about" the bible when it is heard?

When you research these things in the bible and compare them to what is being said or told to you
there is quite the differences between religions and reading it as a document from The government
of the Kingdom of the Universe. Beings that created our universe and us we call The Ancients, or
Oldest of Days. The King now is the son of the one the bible calls YHWH or Jehovah, or
Yahweh, what ever pronunciation you may choose to use. My name, Norval, sounds different in
many languages. The King has counselors and advisors like any monarchy.

Closing of routs out of the cities has been planed in for ever. all on ramps around cities are able to
be quickly "blown" so you cant get on the freeways. But from what we know, the bible tells us to
just shut yourselves in and the forces from above will take care of the problem. When it comes to
any possible fake disclosure or, "Here's ET", that may happen, just keep in mind what the bible
says, and the size of "strange moons" in our solar system, there are going to be many big ships
coming in. These thrown down bad ETs won't be able to fake that. Remember, this is "Prison
Planet Earth" for the bad ETs now. Do you really think those prisons and underground facilities
are for mankind?

Norval L. Cunningham
Gale Smart

[Terra]

Hi Sunnyrap,

Not that I wish to be a killjoy, but:

After checking this out it is pretty obvious these are just digital patterns arising from the digital nature of the photograph on the computer. This is a common, though not universal effect. The rigid nature of the straight lines are a giveaway. They are also completely flat and uniform color only, and all basically the same tone and hue. The effect is enhanced by increasing contrast as was done here.

If they were thousands, or hundreds of thousands, of years old they would be very badly worn. Present-day cities? Methinks not.

Perhaps the "general public" are not that sharp?

Don't take this to mean I don't think there was once a civilization on Mars. But IMO this is not any evidence of that. Mars is a very fascinating place, and I think we may well find some very interesting things there in future decades and definitely in future generations.

Totally agree with you Chris, the quality of this (http://www.esa.int/esa-mmg/mmg.pl?b=b&keyword=Hale&single=y&start=3) image is very poor and is perspective view. I'm surprised and now concerned that Marshall is backing this up and get the feeling that this guy is feeding out dis-info, bit disappointed tbh.

"The high resoluting stereo camera's (HRSC) task is the mapping of most of the Martian surface. The resolution is 10 meters / pixel at an altitude of 250 km (point of closest approach to Mars)."

http://berlinadmin.dlr.de/Missions/express/images/kamera/aufnahmetechnik4.jpg

For one thing there are no shadows whatsoever in the area in question, now go North West directly and in the big open plain there is a small patch of what looks like waves, the terrain here is far less severe yet you can still see the shadows they cast. The whole map is covered in these lines including the hills.

Sorry Sunny, I'd love to see and believe it too but this is just digital imaging at its worst imho. For more info on the camera in question and better image quality check here (http://berlinadmin.dlr.de/Missions/express/kamera/kameraeng.shtml).

...now back on track, apologies for hijacking the thread Norval and Gale.
I'm very interested in the work you have done re: crater chains, it is all new to me and I'm just about to look at your website I just googled to find out more. Thankyou for bringing it to our attention.

Peace :thumb_yello:

[Carol]

Old Dood, It's obvious, time travel doesn't exsist, why, because no body ever came back to introduce themselves, and one group or another, would have wiped us out by now to gain domination.

Aloha gazbom,

I've been reading over this thread and your posts tend to exhibit a pattern of disrespect toward anyone who disagrees with your point of view. I for one know that time travel exists. I also know there are bases on the moon. I've read unpublished interviews of the insiders as I edit these documents for future publishing.

Not all of Norvals assumptions are accurate which is okay. If he were to have access to some of the info I've seen I suspect his opinion would change. I also know there are multiple timelines and that it has been altered and have proof, which is also unpublished information from top level military sources.

Each person here is to be respected and not dissed just because there is a difference in opinion. Please follow the spirit and guidelines of Avalon.

Mahalo,

Carol

[Norval]

My wife went through the roof at your post Carol, but me, well, I just became indignant.
Mine is Queens Clearance, what's yours? (Queens Clearance gives the ok to know what ever is
requested within ones research parameters.) Because of my research, and it's bearing on the
survivability of the human race, I am afforded Diplomatic Immunity, and yours? How many
presidential advisors have requested a meeting with you? The smoking gun was the fact that NO
ONE asked me about what it was that I was researching when I answered those questions at the
TOP SECRET government think tank at a top university. What? You weren't reading ALL my
posts? Do you really think I am here for my ego, get real. :mfr_lol:

This BS stops here. How dare you come off on Gaz for such a small slight when there are far
greater problems in this thread. You are exposed for what you are. Respect? Go to H. My
momma taught me to earn respect, guess yours didn't. Obviously. :tongue2:

Assumptions? These investigations of mine were of such great interest to your freaking
government that they spent $270,000.00 for the fiscal year of 1993 on surveillance of me. And
your point?

Here is the bottom line.

I will continue to post at Camelot and Avalon if you are removed as a moderator.

P.S. This served me well to KNOW that there are "others" out there that KNOW, just as we do.

Bill and Kerry, it is your forum, what say you? One answer of me being here says you are for
real, the other says you are "agents, and sold all the real truth seekers out.

What say you? :naughty:

Norval L. Cunningham
Gale Smart
, , , and many others, , , :trumpet:

[gazbom]

Aloha gazbom,

I've been reading over this thread and your posts tend to exhibit a pattern of disrespect toward anyone who disagrees with your point of view. I for one know that time travel exists. I also know there are bases on the moon. I've read unpublished interviews of the insiders as I edit these documents for future publishing.

Not all of Norvals assumptions are accurate which is okay. If he were to have access to some of the info I've seen I suspect his opinion would change. I also know there are multiple timelines and that it has been altered and have proof, which is also unpublished information from top level military sources.

Each person here is to be respected and not dissed just because there is a difference in opinion. Please follow the spirit and guidelines of Avalon.

Mahalo,

Carol
OK, point taken!

[henners]

I think every body should have respect for each other whether you are a moderator or a whistler blower. Everyone is allowed their opinion so don't put S..t on any one else. Lets keep it above the belt and respect everyone, please.....:mad3:

[Carol]

Norval, each of us is entitled to our own opinion which is based on our own information from different sources. I respect your information and think what you have to share is of value and of interest.

I also respect my inside top military sources which are from both the US and Canada. However, I'm not at liberty to share this info as it is yet unpublished. The reason I do know what I know is because I edited the transcripts.

If I am wrong, which I seriously doubt, I apologize to you in advance.

Peace,

Carol

[Norval]

Unacceptable.

Lies at every level.

I am at the highest level. KMA

Your removal as a moderator is my sign.

Norval

[Norval]

Mark 9:12

[Norval]

To Carol, Bill, Kerry, and the forum



My wife went through the roof at your post Carol, but me, well, I just became indignant.
Mine is Queens Clearance, what's yours? (Queens Clearance gives the ok to know what ever is
requested within ones research parameters.) Because of my research, and it's bearing on the
survivability of the human race, I am afforded Diplomatic Immunity, and yours? How many
presidential advisors have requested a meeting with you? The smoking gun was the fact that NO
ONE asked me about what it was that I was researching when I answered those questions at the
TOP SECRET government think tank at a top university. What? You weren't reading ALL my
posts? Do you really think I am here for my ego, get real. :mfr_lol:

This BS stops here. How dare you come off on Gaz for such a small slight when there are far
greater problems in this thread. You are exposed for what you are. Respect? Go to H. My
momma taught me to earn respect, guess yours didn't. Obviously. :tongue2:

Assumptions? These investigations of mine were of such great interest to your freaking
government that they spent $270,000.00 for the fiscal year of 1993 on surveillance of me. And
your point?

Here is the bottom line.

I will continue to post at Camelot and Avalon if you are removed as a moderator.

P.S. This served me well to KNOW that there are "others" out there that KNOW, just as we do.

Bill and Kerry, it is your forum, what say you? One answer of me being here says you are for
real, the other says you are "agents, and sold all the real truth seekers out.

What say you? :naughty:

Norval L. Cunningham
Gale Smart
, , , and many others, , , :trumpet:

[Norval]

Norval,

We have recieved "several" complaints from other members in the thread where I made a post to kazbom before I posted.

What I have observed is that you make assumptions and act on them as if they are true. You did this with Kerry and you are now doing it with me. You assume we are lying. I don't lie. Being truthful is something I hold near and dear to my heart.

If you choose to be angry with me because I hold a different opinion than you on timelines, moon bases and such then that is your perogitive. However, there are photos of those moon bases and evidence of timeline changes which I am also personally aware of.

Norval, God dwells within my heart just as I dwell with god's heart. This is as it should be. Personal integrity is very important to me. There is no reason for me to misrepresent the truth as it has been presented to me. As I mentioned in the post to you in your thread, if I am wrong, which I doubt, I apologize to you in advance.

Carol

You are very "wrong", , ,

Lies at many levels, , you are very deceived.

Norval

[henners]

Can we please stop these personal attacks. No one is absolutely correct until all the evidence is presented. We all think we are right and the rest of us on this forum want to know the truth. But not attacking each other. Please.:mad3:

[Norval]

Henners, fut the shuck up as a NASA image artist told some one, , , , :winksmiley02:

[henners]

Typical. We do not need people like you here. Very mature.

[Norval]

Typical. We do not need people like you here. Very mature.

, , , and extreamly INDIGNANT ! ! !


heh heh heh heh the vengence is not mine, , , last post.

[Sol Invictus]

Earth to moon.

Moon to Mars.

Mars to Iapetus.

Iapetus to Triton.

Triton to Kupier belt and beyond.

[Sol Invictus]

Typical. We do not need people like you here. Very mature.


Its not very nice of Norval to add that, nor was it needed. a simple 'I disagree' would suffice. I know I am new here, but some people seem to think 'they and they alone' have the truth.

[Swamisalami]

PLEASE, brothers and sisters.

We, at Avalon, are here to collect information which is keepen away from us, Norval provides us with this kind of info. It's the WAY you take this information in which makes the emotions flow, not the information itself! If its to confrontating, chew on it for a while before posting a reaction to it. You can't blame the info. Info IS info and thats it.

Matthew 4:16,17
16 the people living in darkness have seen a great light; on those living in the land of the shadow of death a light has dawned." 17 From that time on Jesus began to preach, "Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is near."


Love, Luck and Light to all you posters in this thread. Please dont let it explode, there's exploding enough these days around the world.

http://video.google.nl/videosearch?q=around+the+world&hl=nl&emb=0&aq=f#q=Daft%20punk%20around%20the%20world&hl=nl&emb=0

[Sol Invictus]

Henners, fut the shuck up as a NASA image artist told some one, , , , :winksmiley02:

Very rarely have I ever made a snap judgement on some one, but I don't care what information you have - if Jesus himself went around telling people to 'fut the shuck up' i would punt him square on and send him packing, no exceptions.
Manners maketh the man and thus seperate us from the monkey.

[Ashatav]

Swamisalami, In a response of an old post from you I really validate the Urantia book.

I don't know it's source (really nobody knows exactly) but what it says is the oposite what the luciferian wanna-be ruling cabal are saying and believes, so, in that parameter, it´s ok.

That's (what the little evoluted luciferian cabal believes)

-The no-existence or existence with little importance of Jehoshua (that's a important topic because if they tries to eliminate this figure from the history is for something, like Teilhard de Chardin's -jesuit- New Age scam)

(in any case, you know the spiritual bases of UN are Teilhard and Alice A Bailey, a satanist, just look out at the publishers of her books, Lucis Trust, before called Lucifer trust! and that's Real!)

-The divinity of the human being with out GOD.

-The rules are made by the subjet alone.

-We all gonna be One and mold with the Oness.

-Long live to Isis Horus and Seth and all they alternative names (a long list, Mary, Moon, Semiramis as isis, etc. etc. etc.).

-You are cattle, ahaha!

So, if you find something with these topics in it's ideology, trash it!

etc.

Cheers!

[Swamisalami]

THX, Ashatav

[gazbom]

Aloha gazbom,

I've been reading over this thread and your posts tend to exhibit a pattern of disrespect toward anyone who disagrees with your point of view. I for one know that time travel exists. I also know there are bases on the moon. I've read unpublished interviews of the insiders as I edit these documents for future publishing.

Not all of Norvals assumptions are accurate which is okay. If he were to have access to some of the info I've seen I suspect his opinion would change. I also know there are multiple timelines and that it has been altered and have proof, which is also unpublished information from top level military sources.

Each person here is to be respected and not dissed just because there is a difference in opinion. Please follow the spirit and guidelines of Avalon.

Mahalo,

Carol
If I have shown disrespect to any person on this this forum I would like to take this chance to appologise, as that was not my intention, especially to Old Dood who I consider a friend.
I also consider ALL of Gale and Norval's assumption's to be extremely accurate but that's only my humble oppinion, I don't happen to believe time travel exists but again that's only my humble oppinion, I wouldn't have thought this makes me disrespectfull.
I respect every person here and to the best of my knowledge I have alway's followed the spirit and guidelines of Avalon.
Kind regards.

PS. Not all of Norvals assumptions are accurate which is okay. Say's who? You? Do I now accuse you of being disrespectful to Norval?

[arcora]

Popped in for a lurk and had to respond to this thread as it is of prime importance.

First, if memory serves, it is Judges who have no mandatory retirement.

Why does any mention of the Bible set so many people on edge? It is imperative to understand that the Bible is separate from the religions that sprung up around it. The Bible as a book is NOT corrupt. It IS the Word of God.

During the time of the council of Nicea the church had the task of collating and establishing one set of universally accepted works that make up this book. We can debate all day long about the intentions of the council. My personal experience with human nature is that corruption sinks in and takes root slowly and insidiously. The council itself may have had some corrupt members with different agendas (just like this forum) but was, for the most part, attended by true believers who were attempting to make the Word of God available for all people in the world. Most members of the council had pure intentions and good hearts.

The corruption took root later and now many people have equated the corruption with the Word itself which is exactly what the corrupt wanted. They don't want you to understand the Word. This is why they give you corrupt interpretations and don't encourage self study or alternative interpretations. If you don't read or don't trust the Bible you are doing exactly what the PTB want. The Bible is a bombshell that they do not want people to understand because it subverts their power and dominion over you.

There are a few constant themes throughout the Bible that are anathema to the New Age movement which is another reason some here don't want to believe it. One of these themes is devotion to God the Father.

Too many people have bought into the false idea that they are themselves Gods or coCreators. This is the penultimate ego trip taken by those same people who claim to have detatched themselves from ego. For those of you who insist that you are a God (I have seen one person post here who called God his 'brother') you really need to take stock and humbly accept your place in the Universal scheme. Lucifer was cast down for the very same thinking. How can you decry the Luciferians in one breath and claim to be a Creator in the next?

God is much like a father. Think of a family unit - parents and small children. The parents know and understand things that the children can't. The parents love their children and want them to learn about their world. The children get caught up in what they want and through short sightedness and lack of understanding make mistakes. Parents lovingly correct their children and expect obedience because they know that it is for the children's own good.

This is the relationship God the Father expects - you are the child. You don't know or understand the things He does. Therefore you must obey while you learn. Some of you are like teenagers. You know a little - just enough to think you know everything. What you don't know can kill you. The Father understands this but you don't.

Events are coming which have to be. Someone asked about Dr. Deagle's phone call. I don't know if he had a real vision or if he's looking for publicity. Really it doesn't matter. What he said is a good encapsulation of events that will transpire. The events may or may not culminate this week. They may just get a start in the same manner as the assasination of Archduke Ferdinand.

Time is short. Everyone here seems to understand that. Read the Bible. Keep an open mind. Replace the word 'heaven' with 'sky' and replace the word 'angel' with 'et' if that helps you.

Accept your proper place in the cosmic family and let God take care of the things he needs to. Just like Hollywood movies - Good always overcomes evil and there is a happy ending to the Book.

[Racsouran]

:thumbdown:

[Alexandra]

I agree with Carol because Avalon is about sharing individual knowledge and accepting that everyone is different. We are supposed to be about love not about hate. We need to always respect another's view, even if we disagree with their beliefs.
Perhaps you may find this article interesting : Crater Chains Part II. I can't seem to get a link from avalon to this site.

[beanny]

norval...., forgive me if im wrong...i havnt read your every post.... but how comes you havent quoted ZECHARIA SITCHIN and his may books with his "documentary evidence of extraterrestrial gods that changed the couse of human developement...."
ALL A TRANSLATION OF THE BIBLE
his books include
12th PLANET-book 1 of THE EARTH CHRONICLES

GENESIS REVISITED
THE WARS OF GODS ofMEN

THE STAIRWAY TO HEAVEN
WHEN TIME BEGAN
THE LOST REALMS
AND MORE
after a minimum of 30 yearsof research ...to find the true interpretation version of the bible ......And our TRUE history
much about planet niburu, nephilim etc
not to quote him nor mention him....
it seems somewhat disrespectfull to the virtual father of our times, of this unleashing of the truth through a lifetime of commitment......
again,,,forgive me if im wrong, perhaps somewhere you have so mentioned....
but most important....the facts and explanations/inteerpretations are all in his books....up to us how we read it/take it!

with wanten respect to the ultimate creater.....

[arcora]

Aloha gazbom,

I've been reading over this thread and your posts tend to exhibit a pattern of disrespect toward anyone who disagrees with your point of view. I for one know that time travel exists. I also know there are bases on the moon. I've read unpublished interviews of the insiders as I edit these documents for future publishing.

Not all of Norvals assumptions are accurate which is okay. If he were to have access to some of the info I've seen I suspect his opinion would change. I also know there are multiple timelines and that it has been altered and have proof, which is also unpublished information from top level military sources.

Each person here is to be respected and not dissed just because there is a difference in opinion. Please follow the spirit and guidelines of Avalon.

Mahalo,

Carol

One can believe in the existence of moon bases. The only way one can know of them is to have been there. Have you been there?

The oldest trick in the book is to say "I possess secret knowledge that that refutes your claims". Unfortunately, those with the 'secret' knowledge are usually unwilling to say what it is.

Usually this tactic is taken by those who have no ability to effectively defend their own beliefs when they feel they are under attack.

[Argante]

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Just a quick post to let all members know that if you do not like it here, and think that you can demand the removal of a Moderator or you will leave...

Don't let the door hit your butt on the way out! See ya. Bye.


Mary Lou



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[Colin]

Thread to remain locked as per Norval's request