The Coming Starvation In America

[davefla73]

I thought some of you might like to read this interesting artical.:shocked:

The Coming Starvation In America

By James P. Wickstrom
http://www.theantechamber.net
Antechamber. net
10-3-5

The government of the United States, by Law was to always maintain a three year mixed- grain survival storage for every man, woman, and child in the United States.

Like most Laws of the land, the politicians never took heed as to why our wise ancestors had this reserve requirement established. It was to make sure, that, in the time of a National Emergency, the people had the most important mainstay needed for survival individually and as a Nation. Remember, the people make the Nation, the Nation does not make the people.



In the 1960's and 1970's the different political administrations of Washington, D. C. walked away from sanity and started to give the surplus grains which where in elevator storage all over the country, to other nations, such as the Soviet Union, India, etc.. This continued over two decades, until the elevators were empty and the reserve of grains that were in reserve as per a national crisis.... were gone. Of course this was done as to enhance international "friendship" with other nations, even if those other nations were self-admitted enemies of the United States.

Remember, there was enough grain in storage, paid for by the American tax- payer, to last the masses inside the United States for three full years, if need be. But now it all is but gone!

By 1996, the United States Department of Agriculture (U. S. D. A.) claimed that there was enough food in ware-house storage to last every man, woman and child in the cities a 3 day supply and a 5 day supply for every man, woman, and child in the countryside, should a great national emergency occur. In other words, if food trucks stopped running, the food supplies for the masses would be 3 days in the cities and 5 days in the countryside.



In 2003, the U. S. D. A. stopped measuring for "days in reserve" of food for every man, woman, and child in the United States because the amount of food in storage in the United States dropped under a 1 day food supply for every man, woman, and child in the United States. Thus, the U. S. D. A. started to measure in individual pounds as to how much food was in the food-chain per person in the United States as per 300 million people.

In 2003, there was 77 pounds of food per person in the warehouse food- chain in the United States. What this means, is that during a national emergency, only 77 pounds of food per person is available before all food is TOTALLY GONE in the United States.

By September of 2005, there is now only 15.7 pounds of reserved foodstuffs in the food-chain for every man, woman, and child in the United States. This means that there has been an 80% decrease in the past two years. That decrease is becoming greater with every passing day in the United States. Of the 15.7 pounds of warehoused reserved food-stuffs, 11.0 pounds of the 15.7 pounds consists of unprocessed wheat. The rest of the 15.7 pounds of survival foods in storage for every man, woman, and child, totaling 4.7 pounds, consists of the following foods:

1. Non-fat dry milk 2. Cheese 3. Corn by the bushel 4. Peanuts by the pound 5. Lentils by the pound

That's it folks ! . . . This is what the District of Columbia has set aside representing the 15.7 pounds in the survival food-chain for every man, woman, and child to stay alive on. This is not a daily supply, this amount represents the total food everyone will get for .... how long, who knows!

The U. S. D. A. Crop Production Report per September 12, 2005, contained said information, and this information was brought forth by Alan Guebert of the Farm & Food Report.

Collective communist farming failed in the Soviet Union and communist China, and the present form of Collective Farming (paying the farmers not to grow food) has totally failed in the United States.

Mr. Guebert also stated, that one more disaster as the likes of the hurricanes Katrina or Rita against the United States, or anything to compare to such in whatever way, would create such a food panic, it would make the New Orleans rioting look like the Mardi Gras.

The United States Government for the past 75 years has been driving the United States deeper and deeper into the realm of communism. The United States is financially broke, the farms are broken down, the Nation has been de-industrialized, and the outsourcing of jobs continues to this day. Both corrupt federal administrations, the Democrat and Republican eat off the same plate. They have labeled that plate; "Screw the taxpayer, each and every one of them."

Our European ancestors were very wise, honest and full of common sense. They had food cellars where they had food canned, that could last them well over a year, insuring them that they would be able to plant a crop the following summer, and still be able to survive waiting for crops to mature and harvest. They did not rely on the corrupt politicians who are liars and thieves.

But as I said, time passed by and the people put a false trust in their elected and appointed public servants thinking that these same people were looking out for their personal interests. How sadly wrong the people were then, and still are.

In conclusion, I highly suggest that you pull your head out of the sand, check your food supplies, and if you do not have 6 months to a years food in reserve, then you had best sell something or do whatever you have to do, to immediately prepare yourself and your loved ones for safety. If you can store two years at this time: DO IT AS SOON AS POSSIBLE!

Remember, the 15.7 pounds of food in reserve is becoming less by the day, and at the present rate of speed, the United States is heading to what is called.... meal to meal. One more major disaster will drive the United States to its knees.

The federal government, for itself, has millions of tons of preserved foods stashed away in underground storages, but this food is not for the masses, unless they surrender their firearms, and then they will get a food coupon from the *feds* to buy out of the federal government food warehouse wherever it is set up in your area.

............. has always subjected and controlled the masses using FOOD. Remember, FOOD CONTROL IS PEOPLE CONTROL. New Orleans was your cue: Now prepare! You have been warned.

Your blood is off my hands!

James P. Wickstrom

[izz]

The United States Government for the past 75 years has been driving the United States deeper and deeper into the realm of communism.

In conclusion, I highly suggest that you pull your head out of the sand, check your food supplies, and if you do not have 6 months to a years food in reserve, then you had best sell something or do whatever you have to do, to immediately prepare yourself and your loved ones for safety. If you can store two years at this time: DO IT AS SOON AS POSSIBLE!


James P. Wickstrom

ummm this jumped out at me .. the US has been heading in a communist direction .. that is a load of rubbish ..

about this food hoarding - i just cant do I am afraid .. it is almost like saying .. ''ill make sure i am alright .. me me me ''.. i cant think like that ..

if a global disaster happens .. it would have to be enourmous to affect food supplies to such an extent that people are starving ..like a nuclear winter .. and if that happens we are all in it together .. and there is no way i would eat my stored food whilst others starved ..

and it is slightly nutty stock piling food and building nuclear shelters IMO

[Peer]

I agree with you if you'd say that the US government was/is as corrupt as the russian and the chinese, as all governments actually, but the world hasn't seen any real communism as it was meant to be.
No government is leading anymore but ruling.
This was already clear to see 30 years ago.
But Bob Dylan was declared crazy when he sang: "The times they are a changing" and now it's shakin' your windows and rattling your walls..and everybody looks surprised and if you say: I saw it coming why haven't you done anything?
Every empire fell because of its decadence and this one is no exeption.
Nevertheless: We will survive!
Won't we?
And if we don't, so what?
Dying isn't the worst thing in the world.
Finish your unfinished bussines today and be prepared to step into the higher realms of being, have no fear.
You wanna go to heaven? You won't get there without dying, nothing wrong with that.

[mntruthseeker]

Anyone that is truly awake knows that the US plans were to move to communism as far as they can go. NWO was the plan and it is now unfolding.

Anyone who truly believes that obama will do anything different for our country is blind. His agenda is no diffenent. go to www.crimesagainstobama.com and see for your self. Anyways..........why would this election be anything different.

No people, this is to be our reality so it is up to us to decide what we want. We can bring about our own change if we follow our hearts. Pray or meditate to bring about what it is we want.

Dying doesn't scare me but torture does. :yikes: Im too old for games like that. My worse fear is seeing pain. I can't handle it.
So, I will continue to pray for our own change.

mccain & obama are puppets ....the same:thumbdown:

[historycircus]

I won't starve because I am getting prepared. How about you?

[Realview]

I think eating is a bit like AIDS. According to that depach chopra most people that die of AID die of shame. In other words expectation, belief is a factor. I think most people can live on 1 modest meal a day, every other day, or every third day and do just fine. Some people claim, and I believe they are telling the truth, that they eat very infrequently like once a week, even once a month. To much food is really very unhealthy. Sun worship and energy Chi-kung can help a lot with physical energy needs and some claim nutrition needs. Google for such things as Sun Worshipers, Breatharians, Non-Eaters. It is also claimed that many diseases are prevented by fasting 1 day a month even.

[STicKY_EyEs]

I think eating is a bit like AIDS. According to that depach chopra most people that die of AID die of shame. In other words expectation, belief is a factor. I think most people can live on 1 modest meal a day, every other day, or every third day and do just fine. Some people claim, and I believe they are telling the truth, that they eat very infrequently like once a week, even once a month. To much food is really very unhealthy. Sun worship and energy Chi-kung can help a lot with physical energy needs and some claim nutrition needs. Google for such things as Sun Worshipers, Breatharians, Non-Eaters. It is also claimed that many diseases are prevented by fasting 1 day a month even.

Yeah I have heard about this. It was called SUN GAZING. I've heard it to be true and i'm looking into it also!!!

http://www.earthclinic.com/Remedies/sun_gazing.html

http://www.solarhealing.com/

[STicKY_EyEs]

I won't starve because I am getting prepared. How about you?

But on the other hand I have a family and I may not have time to SUNGAZE in the brink of chaos, so yep i'm getting pepared and just about everyway I can but not because of fear but just because there is always a posilbility of the unknow!!!!!...by the way I got 48 MRE's coming in today.

[izz]

I won't starve because I am getting prepared. How about you?

really .. and wil you be at home when disaster strikes ?
will you share with your neighbours ...

me me me me ...


get over it:mad3:

[Lythocrist]

More things in the world are edible than many think. You know what, you could go scrape bark off a tree and it will give you little to no nutrition, likely taste terrible, and maby even a stomach ache. But you know what you'll be alive.

Eat bugs, cockroaches, crickets, anything. Sure it sounds disgusting, but would you rather DIE?!

People change completely when faced with death, pain, or just general discomfort.

You can only prepare for yourself. Telling more to prepare here is preaching to the choir.


There is always food and always will be. The Indians didn't have giant crops(Most American Indians*) They hunted for animals and gathered for herbs and grains as well as fruits veggies. If you're starving and the US isn't helping 'you' Go into the woods and start munching some oak leaves or something. Common sence is your friend as so notably said by the thread starter referring to our founding fathers. They didn't base their plans on what their leaders were going to do. They fought for themselves, their families and even their close friends/neighbors.


Peace,Love,Common Sence, Truth, and Enjoyment be with you all.

[Kulapops]

and if that happens we are all in it together .. and there is no way i would eat my stored food whilst others starved ..

and it is slightly nutty stock piling food and building nuclear shelters IMO

I have to agree with Izz here. For many years, I've just bought food as I've needed it, and as I mostly buy from the local greengrocer, butcher, fishmonger etc I just buy the food as I need it. I go with the flow and buy as and when.

This means I generally go shopping almost every other day. It also means my cupboards only have a few bits and pieces in them, the odd tin of soup or beans for rainy days.

Since this whole kerfufle started, I've been buying the odd extra extra tin and now my cupboards are nearly full (btw they're small cupboards and that probably represents only a couple of weeks worth of food).

And you know what? It doesn't feel right.

I visited stonehenge yesterday (get me?!) and whereas I would normally stumble at paying TBTB £6.50 for going round something you can see from the road for free - I paid the money (well, hey.. we're in crisis - so it's how you live every day that's important :winksmiley02:) and went round.

The path around the monument leads in an anti-clockwise direction.

And you know what? It didn't feel right.

I could feel the energy pushing me back with every step (yet they want everyone to go this way). After walking about a quarter circle, I turned and went clockwise. Whoosh ! I was gliding along. Anyone else tried this ?

I don't want to change subject, but my point here is you have to trust your instincts.

A cupboard full of food doesn't feel right to me currently (especially if other people's cupboards will be empty) and neither does a bathroom full of toilet rolls.

(the feng-shui alone is muggy and heavy :original:)

But look, surely if we want some spiritual awakening, this ain't going to happen unless everyone pulls together. And 'everyone' surely doesn't just mean the 'well-informed' and prepared. Doesn't make sense to me.

A time may well come when a lot of people (me included) will have to make a decision whether they are going to help others in distress, or wall themselves in. (I am legend springs to mind - what kind of an existence is that , really ?)

I hope that when the time comes I will make the right decision for spirit and not just for my self.

[gwynned]

I agree with you if you'd say that the US government was/is as corrupt as the russian and the chinese, as all governments actually, but the world hasn't seen any real communism as it was meant to be.
No government is leading anymore but ruling.
This was already clear to see 30 years ago.
But Bob Dylan was declared crazy when he sang: "The times they are a changing" and now it's shakin' your windows and rattling your walls..and everybody looks surprised and if you say: I saw it coming why haven't you done anything?



I agree with you....somewhat. First off, in the commentary provided, there is that ridiculous comment that the US is turning into a communist state. In it's simplest terms, communism simply means that the resources of a community are held in common, which is the opposite of what is happening now as the elite are grabbing the resources currently held in common (our houses and 401K values).

Secondly, communism in its perfected form has not been seen, but in its initial stages and in some places, its benefits are obvious. Currently one can look to Venezuela and Bolivia for inspiration. Both Chavez and Morales are Marxists. Secondly, I read a few years ago that in the early 1930s, when the docks in Germany were empty and people were carrying cash in wheelbarrows, those in the newly formed Soviet Union were bustling with activity. Even now, Venezuela is experiencing growth and drastic improvement in the lives of its poor. They are bartering with their neighbors, avoiding the necessity of capital in some cases.

What is cascading now is the world wide CAPITALIST economic system. It matters not a whit to Andeans in South America whose economic system is based on communal ownership and have no dependence on the capitalist system.

The fact is that the ONLY thing lacking in the economy right now is CAPITAL which is something no one really understands but controls our lives. The fact is the true VALUE is in the people who run the machines, till the soil, engineer the bridges and put out fires, and capital is the means by which the value of our work is stolen by those in power.

[LiquidPluto]

I also went to Stonehenge this week 08/10/08
For some reason I felt I had to go there. There were hundreds of birds in the trees around the parking lot and the birdsong was so loud it was deafening. Yet over at the henge there were only 2 or 3 birds????

It was a beautiful day, cloudy but they were fluffly white and widely spread. Funny thing was they were lined up in an unusual way and the bottoms of the clouds were all flat.

Some helicopters flew by while I was there so I took some pictures.
I thought they might be military?

I will put the pics in my profile if you would like to have a look.

Peace
LiquidPluto

[Jacqui D]

I also went to Stonehenge this week 08/10/08
For some reason I felt I had to go there. There were hundreds of birds in the trees around the parking lot and the birdsong was so loud it was deafening. Yet over at the henge there were only 2 or 3 birds????

It was a beautiful day, cloudy but they were fluffly white and widely spread. Funny thing was they were lined up in an unusual way and the bottoms of the clouds were all flat.

Some helicopters flew by while I was there so I took some pictures.
I thought they might be military?

I will put the pics in my profile if you would like to have a look.

Peace
LiquidPluto

That's really interesting!
Where i live (in the country) we haven't heard a bird for months now!
The only birds around at the moment are pigeons and ring tailed doves, i'm missing the small birds they would come into my garden each day, wake me up with the dawn chorus and still be singing late into the evening.
Perhaps they have all gone to Stonehenge then lol!!

There is definately an energy there i have felt this before.

[777 The Great Work]

Once man has quinched his internal thirst and hunger for knowledge. All that are in hunger and thirst will be fed.
Famine of physical food is the outward expression of famine of knowledge.

[Rebel4Life]

The US Is a corporation and yes there is a solution to this...read up on my topic :)

Rebe4Life

[Morgan]

I have to agree with Izz here. For many years, I've just bought food as I've needed it, and as I mostly buy from the local greengrocer, butcher, fishmonger etc I just buy the food as I need it. I go with the flow and buy as and when.

This means I generally go shopping almost every other day. It also means my cupboards only have a few bits and pieces in them, the odd tin of soup or beans for rainy days.

Since this whole kerfufle started, I've been buying the odd extra extra tin and now my cupboards are nearly full (btw they're small cupboards and that probably represents only a couple of weeks worth of food).

And you know what? It doesn't feel right.

...

I don't want to change subject, but my point here is you have to trust your instincts.

A cupboard full of food doesn't feel right to me currently (especially if other people's cupboards will be empty) and neither does a bathroom full of toilet rolls.

(the feng-shui alone is muggy and heavy :original:)

But look, surely if we want some spiritual awakening, this ain't going to happen unless everyone pulls together. And 'everyone' surely doesn't just mean the 'well-informed' and prepared. Doesn't make sense to me.

A time may well come when a lot of people (me included) will have to make a decision whether they are going to help others in distress, or wall themselves in. (I am legend springs to mind - what kind of an existence is that , really ?)

I hope that when the time comes I will make the right decision for spirit and not just for my self.

This is how I've been feeling. We don't just want to continue the same self-preserving paradigm that we've had for so long. I certainly would not want to be the last one surviving in a permanent martial law/nuclear war/one pandemic after another/etc. world. I have to agree that if I am the only one in my neighbourhood with food stores for a year, how good will I feel watching my neighbours suffer and possibly die?

Nevermind that if it got REALLY bad (which everyone is saying/thinking), how long do you think you will actually be in possession of food stores - be it the gov't confiscating, or crazy mobs looting, or your neighbour notices you're quite plump while everyone else is rail thin and decides he/she is not going to starve while you stuff your face.

Hmmm.

Aside from that stuff though, it just doesn't feel right to know in my godlike wisdom I have been hoarding/storing food for months/years to prepare for a coming emergency that I'm so determined is going to occur. And everybody else who is naive and/or stupid to not have been living in such awareness can all starve around me because they did not prepare.

Yeah, that sounds like a great attitude. Sounds like a world I want to live in :\

[Myra]

ummm this jumped out at me .. the US has been heading in a communist direction .. that is a load of rubbish ..

about this food hoarding - i just cant do I am afraid .. it is almost like saying .. ''ill make sure i am alright .. me me me ''.. i cant think like that ..

if a global disaster happens .. it would have to be enourmous to affect food supplies to such an extent that people are starving ..like a nuclear winter .. and if that happens we are all in it together .. and there is no way i would eat my stored food whilst others starved ..

and it is slightly nutty stock piling food and building nuclear shelters IMO

Don't worry about that, think about this, you can still collect a storage of food and when the time comes you can still help others by giving needy people some of your food if you want.

But in times like these it is wise to stock some food. What's really nutty is the way that our Gov's are acting. Our reaction of stocking up on food is just a normal response to an abnormal situation.

[Peer]

@ gwynned:
I couldn't agree with you more.
Here in Europe we aren't that afraid of communism as some folks in the US.
We've seen it from very near by.
But the way it was practiced was again to keep the man in the street quiet while the ones on top like Chouchescou (of Romania) became billionaires living in golden palaces.
I am very impressed by ao Hugo Chavez who has the guts to stand up against the US and say: We'll spend our money our way and started schooling programs and healthinsurance for young and old.
Great hand for this man.

[Jenny]

Nicolae Ceauşescu (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicolae_Ceau%C5%9Fescu) of Romania, Is that the one you are speaking about? Peer?

[Peer]

yes.

[Kulapops]

Aside from that stuff though, it just doesn't feel right to know in my godlike wisdom I have been hoarding/storing food for months/years to prepare for a coming emergency that I'm so determined is going to occur. And everybody else who is naive and/or stupid to not have been living in such awareness can all starve around me because they did not prepare.

Yeah, that sounds like a great attitude. Sounds like a world I want to live in :\

Yep... that's really how I feel too. It doesn't sound like the right brand of 'enlightenment' to me or spiritual awakening that so many are feeling.

I can't believe that in the end , spiritual awakening will boil down to 'You either bought the heinz beans, or you didn't'. :original:

Actually, since I've reawakened my dedication to thinking about how am I going to be among people if there is a crisis and not to thinking how will I isolate myself from the crisis, I feel my fear of possible happenings has subsided.

Yep, agree with Myra that I can console myself that being prepared and having some food in the larder is a great way of helping others if/when the time comes. That's the only way it makes sense. 'Preparing' in secret for a time of haves and have nots feels a bit like we're just not doing our spiritual duty. To me.

And talk of anarchy and people robbing and looting... yeah, that could happen, but what about the laws of attraction? Do we really want to imagine that scenario as we prepare? (I'd better buy a couple of 'stingers' for the end of my road then... :wink2:)

We could imagine instead, as Lythocrist says, that there is plenty of food around to eat and people help each other to find and forage. We have to make the jump to lightspeed mentally that people won't turn on each other... or we're contributing to that paradigm happening. Well, it's a thought....

P.S. As for stonehenge, there were a whole bunch of rooks or jackdaws on it (at least three or four pairs) and it was quite misty. They seemed pretty happy with the fact that people couldn't get near the stones....Smug I call it :wink2:

[davefla73]

well i was just posting something I thought you might injoy , personaly I dont want to stare at the sun eat roaches or be starving or watching people i love starve try going a few days with out eating see if you like it , and go through your normal work day! dont just sit around soon youll want some REAL food and do anything to get it
. lol:mfr_lol:

[zorgon]

I won't starve because I am getting prepared. How about you?

Yup... got a years supply... a plot of land and neighbors one who has chickens and shares his eggs (right downtown Las Vegas)

Most important... have a supply of seeds

NWO? Bring it on baby... my swords are sharp, my crossbows well oiled :thumb_yello:

Got a loom to make cloth, and a mobile tent city with all the comforts...

Anyone wanna join my Kingdom?

:biggrin2:

[Kimmie]

Hi DaveFLA73, (and everyone else)this is Kimmie from the Florida Ground Crew,

Dave, Thanks for starting this thread....aren't you amazed at how many diffrent views there can be to an issue?? I am!! I think it all comes down to where those who are posting on here "are at in their lives'.

I'm getting close to retirement age, now have 4 adult children and 4 grandsons under 11 years old. I remember being a single mom years back and trying to get by feeding young children when money was tight. As parents we (at least I) tried to keep day to day life as normal as possible for my babies, even if I was struggling.

So my point is this: I think that we middle aged people (40-60's) have grown up listening to our parents and grandparents telling stories about the Great depression, and to always be prepared, since there are no guarantees what tommorrow might bring, We've been taught to not waste things (food or otherwise) and have grown comfortable living by these guidelines. Most of us in this age group have children we are providing for or grandchildren we want to see provided for, and for that reason we seem to always pic up extras (food and things) "that the babies might enjoy/need".

For this reason we would be the ones to "Hoard/stock pile/fill the cabinets" as some of you have said. It will be a joy to know we have something to offer should it be needed by our loved ones or strangers. ON the other hand.... two of my four (adult)children are single/without children and they live the life some of you are speaking about. They buy food as the mood strikes them, it's odd for them to do a "weeks shopping", and they eat with an attitude that it is a pleasure and not a physical need to survive. Yet both of the two younger girls will often come to visit at meal time, ask what's cookin' and be thankful their mom is a good cook. They often go home with leftovers and it does my heart good to have it to offer.

We all look at this issue from our own point of reference, and will cope with the changes this world goes through in our own way, some of us are providers and some of us are free spirits, I love both types of people in my life.

Thanks again, for starting the thread, Dave....see you on the Florida Ground Crew!! My door will always be open to anyone who need my help in any way ... no questions asked. Bye Ya'll, Kimmie

[feynman]

............. has always subjected and controlled the masses using FOOD. Remember, FOOD CONTROL IS PEOPLE CONTROL. New Orleans was your cue: Now prepare! You have been warned.



Right on. At the end of the day it boils down to food (and water). If you don't have any that's ALL you're going to be thinking about.

We're here because we at least believe part of what the interviewees have to say on Camelot.

All you have to ask yourself is: "if my money was worthless tomorrow, what would I do?"
If the answer is starve, beg, borrow or steal, then you need to prepare.

Its called disaster preparedness. We should all be doing it anyway, even the most disbelieving of us as a matter of common sense.

I predict food riots in the US by the end of year.

[CosmicFever]

This food thing is a bit bothersome to me. Maybe I witnessed mass starvation in another life. Who knows? Now I have a food supply that's been building for many months. Here's the deal. This is not out of fear. It is out of love for others. So many will be waking up very soon to the reality of what's going on. That may be too late for them to prepare. There are innocent children to consider and as long as I have food it will be shared with others. It will take the collective effort of everyone to move beyond this bump in the road. Service to others will be key in this process.

peace,
cosmic

[pineal-pilot-in merkabah]

food shortages will hit britian also.. we will get the same treatment. i want food of my own
1: to ensure quality and nutritional value
2: so i dont have to leave the house to join food ques, this also helps avoid crowds where boi weapons will be working at their most efficient.
3: ill buy extra to help a few non beleivers who artn prepared and who a very close friends. alas its personal responsibilty, im taking mine by stocking my own food, im not responsible for others. im possibly gonna have to defend my food supplies from hungry maurading starving people.. im moving out nea the country anyway so shouldtn have much interaction outsoide of close friends anyway and ground crew. my friend is a farmer so we can get milk poss.. its gonna be tuff imo

im pretty poor so unfortuantly i cant feed everyone

[Kulapops]

Yes, I think it is a very interesting thread, and thanks for starting it Dave.

Thank you too Kimmie for your post. That's the great thing about Avalon I think , that we have access to so much shared knowledge and points of view, and aspects of different lives. I think you've hit the nail on the head.

I'm not against anyone hoarding food, I think all must go with their own instincts. It is also interesting to note that a lot of the great sites out there - urbansurvival as an example are also provided by people who are similarly already prepared for the coming changing times.

If nothing else, this whole thing has stirred a desire in me to become totally self-sufficient, find a cabin somewhere, live of the land... that would be great...wind power..chickens. We need reality for sure.

I don't have kids , and I agree, if I did, that would most certainly change my perspective on what I would do to prepare. (anyone want to come share my cabin ? :original:)

I'm as shocked as anyone by what's going on in the world and where it logically seems to be heading (food shortages, mass panic, violence, ???)

I'm just saying that alongside being prepared, it's my own view that this whole thing could turn out spiritually positive or spiritually negative. If it does become every man for himself amongst the spiritually minded...then logically that doesn't seem to be the evolution that it makes sense we should be having.

I do have heinz beans though... about eight tins I think... should last me at least a month :original:

Thanks again for the great discussion topic.

peace n love

k

[QueenOfLeon]

This food thing is a bit bothersome to me. Maybe I witnessed mass starvation in another life. Who knows? Now I have a food supply that's been building for many months. Here's the deal. This is not out of fear. It is out of love for others. So many will be waking up very soon to the reality of what's going on. That may be too late for them to prepare. There are innocent children to consider and as long as I have food it will be shared with others. It will take the collective effort of everyone to move beyond this bump in the road. Service to others will be key in this process.

peace,
cosmic


Here here!! And Bravo. Given the knowledge we have I think it is safe to be prepared and I am doing so to help others as well as my self/loved ones. I dont want to die yet, vene though I know I am eternal. I think Humanity have come to this cross roads to see how we react. DO we turn on each other or do we help one another? I for one will always share and then I will be able to sleep at night.

[davefla73]

thanks for the suport kimmie, right you are even if nothing happens which looks like something will its easy to pick up a little extra food to store so you dont have to beg if you and your loved ones are hungry right?! :mfr_omg:

[Kimmie]

Hi Dave, and Everyone, Kimmie here.

Dave, I'm a team player, if this discussion helps just one person to be more prepared I'm pleased.

Ya'll might want to consider a few items that will be good for more than just filling your tummy. I've been reading about biological attacks and how to protect yourself (as best as we can anyways), by having some basic foods and herbs on hand.

For example:
" Black Tea-also known as English Breakfast tea-has a component called polyphenols. They inhibit the activity of anthrax". The article also said, "DON'T ADD MILK, the addition of milk to the tea completly inhibits it's antibacterial activity against Anthrax.

So after you have collected a basic group of canned good, you might want to read some of the articles about "healing foods, herbs and vitamins" and add them as well.

I'll go through my notes, and add other things I come across. I know Baking Soda and Sea Salt, were two of the items I read about, yet I'll have to go back and see what their purpose was.

Other things that you wouldn't normally buy (at least I don't) would be to have canned and powdered milk on hand. It'll keep forever, and if or when things settle back down you can use them for baking. The powdered is much less expensive than the canned, yet when you have to worry about getting clean/safe water to mix with it you'll be happy you bought a few cans.

Have a great day everyone!! Kimmie

[Knightbk]

I don't buy this starvation theory.

In the Dirty 30's, people didn't starve to death in America, that is actually myth.

For Americans to literally starve to death, you need to have a complete systemic collapse which will not happen as the government will take control of most things and provide relief at the expense of rights and such obviously.

The only thing that will bring about starvation is either a War, Natural Disaster or Pandemic.

Now don't get me wrong, I am not saying that some people will not be badly hurt, as obviously there will be hurt people. Even during boom times, there are poor people in America starving, but you are not going to see "millions of Americans starving to death" in America.

[Waterman]

No one will starve ..... unless the powers to be make that happen...

Something to think about..... right?

[Waterman]

By the way I was actually up late last night trying to get an order in for some dehydrated food. We use it because guess what it's cheaper.... really.

Anyway shipping is now out about 8 weeks for lots of the food. So I was wondering if any of you have sources. I'm not willing to waitn 2 months for food.

We order dehydrated food but freeze dried although more expensive is really tasty.

You all might want to actually see if costs are cheaper to buy this way.

Again do you know of any sources. Or do you know of a thread helping find sources?

Thanks

[BarryC]

Thanks for the original post. It is well worth being prepared in order to do good.

Being prepared is not being selfish; how can we help rebuild our future if we're too malnurished to stand up?
How can we be the groundcrew if we've unfortunately starved to death?
And I agree, death is not to be feared and yes a spiritual transition and all that, but it would be unfortunate if all the enlightened people starved and left the future to the 'powers-that-be'.

As for only eating every few days or once a month - I respect your opinion, but you should try it before asking everyone else to live that way. I have a 5 year old daughter - imagine asking her to go without food for 29 days - it would result in only one outcome.

Our purpose is to prepare - to work together - we can be a great influence for great good, but only if we are not starving. We *will* share; I will share; but if only one in a thousand prepares, there won't be much to go around.

Experts suggest a year's supply is prudent and should consist of:
1. wheat (both a carb source and a protein), 2. milk (or equivalent) powder, 3. salt, 4. sugar
add to that water, clothing, fuel where possible.
see http://www.providentliving.org/

That nice LDS family down the street have been preparing this way for many years for what they know is coming. They are supposed to rotate their storage by using it - that's wise. I really hope we don't need it, but it would be wise to be prepared.

I respect 'Henry Deacon' immensly; I suspect we owe him more than we'll ever know - please look at what he has said about the future and about preparing.

BarryC

[Kimmie]

Waterman-My kids and I have been making Beef Jerky with a dehydrater for years. Whenever one of us is doing any traveling we pull out the dehydrator and fix up a "Travel Pac". We have been putting it in Ziploc Bags since it is gone in just a few days-yet I'm wondering if I should invest in one of those "Seal-a meal" type machines to Vacumn Pac the dehydrated food.

I've been trying to cut back on the amount of meat we eat, and am buying more fish, how well does it process? I know PorK doesn't come out very well-so now I'm wondering about the fish!!

Are there some foods better than others to dehydrate? I've tried doing fruits, and have to admit, I need to spend more time with the process since the results weren't the greatest in the past. Now instead of "doing it for the fun of it"...I'll be taking a more serious approach to it.

Has anyone got any advice for me-on what foods and any tricks to successful methods for working with a dehydrater?

BarryC, thanks for the Link to Provident Living, I'll check it out. When you talk about "wheat" in what form are you buying it? How are you storing it?

I'm still buying at the local grocery stores, and I think I need to switch to the Health Food Stores for better quality. If we're going to be faced with eating less- I've decided it would be benificial to increase the quality It's probably a good habit to develop anyways. I think the food from health Food Stores will be less likely to be tampered with, as times get 'crazier'.

The other day I came upon a website that offered directions to build a Solar Stove...not full grill top...a simple stand on to which you could boil water or set up a frying pan to fix a campstyle breakfast. I'll look through my notes and post it for you. It looks like it would be a fun weekend project to make it- for when there is no more electric,propane or charcoal around to cook with.

Bye for now, Kimmie

[Kimmie]

Hi everyone,

I decided I might as well look through my notes-for the link I liked about a Solar stove. It was about some volunteers who went to Peru to work with the children there. It's a wonderful story that shows how eager children are to learn. The volunteers had tried out the Plans back home to be sure it would work-then showed the children how to build them for themselves.

The website is called: Sunspot.org " Solar Cooking in Peru" and the link is:
http://www.sunspot.org.uk/

There may be other methods for creating a Solar stove, yet there is something about the story behind this one that makes me favor this one!

Much love, Kimmie:wub2:

[SteveTPA]

Great story Kimmie,

This story is both heart warming and food warming (feeble attempt at humor):lmfao:

Another idea to help protect us from hunger is an idea called Permaculture. This involves reconnecting with the land, even if you live in an urban or suburban area. It would involve getting rid of useless suburban landscaping, like lawns, and replacing them with sustainable agriculture. Check out David Holmgren on YouTube. Or here is a link that explains further:

http://attra.ncat.org/attra-pub/perma.html

I have begun buying fruit trees and vegetables. However, even in this area there is a sinister challenge: corporate control of our food is nearly complete. Seeds are now terminator seeds, so you only get one crop. Even avocado pits, which are so easy to grow, produce sterile trees that need to be grafted to produce fruit. I recently read where India has now agreed to let Monsanto into their agriculture industry (as part of the recently signed nuclear deal with Bush) controlling all the seeds and the farmers of India are revolting. The farmers go bankrupt: the seeds have to be bought every year, and the quality of the plant is poor, requiring the use of pesticides and fertilizers to survive - also produced by Monsanto!! Creating further debt and bankruptcy for the farmers, paving the way for corporate takeover of family farms.

How can we rebel? Most county and state agencies and universities have information on how to grow native plants that are edible. Here is one for Florida where I live:

http://www.meaningfulpursuit.com/edibleplantproject/

But check your local agencies, and it pays to get a field guide for plants that helps you identify what's edible in the wild. These wild plants can also be cultivated in your yard and they are more resistant to insects and require little or no fertilizer.

Good luck to everyone and peace....we will survive these challenges.

Kimmie: PS I apologize for missing out last meeting. I left you a message, hope you got it, and I look forward to reconnecting soon.

Take care,
Steve

[Powerinourhandsl]

unfortunately other parts of the world are already suffering

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/oct/16/internationalaidanddevelopment-voluntarysector

[Shaeba]

I'm wondering if I should invest in one of those "Seal-a meal" type machines to Vacumn Pac the dehydrated food.

Two months ago I bought a really nice FoodSaver, and I wouldn't trade it for the world! You can buy the premade bags in pint, quart and gallon sizes, and you can buy rolls with which you can make your own bags of different sizes. I vacuum seal all my dry goods as well as anything that's going to go in the freezer, since it elimates the air and cuts down on freezer burn. It really helps extend the storage life of conventionally packaged goods. They also have large canisters you could pack oodles of pasta, rice, whatnot in and vacuum seal if you get one of the more expensive models that has the accessory hose.

[Kimmie]

Hey Steve....I have 6 Avocado Seeds sittin' in water rooting!! What a drag it will be if all they bare is leaves!! My Orange tree produced very well last fall and is covered ...weighted down!!!...with half grown fruit, I'll be happy to share when they are ready. I'll check out the links, Thanks

Also Steve..Off topic-(Sorry everyone else)..Florida Ground Crew Meeting last weekend was very informative, I'll check for your message and will get back to you. Why don't you host a meeting? Please reply by PM.

TO EVERYONE ELSE I HOPE YOU ARE ALL ON GROUND CREW TEAMS!!!

Powerinourhands Thanks for the link as well, I'll check it out. I know your comment is correct, and wish it wasn't so, we are so lucky to have had the lives we have had thus far.

Shaeba I'm check out the Foodsaver when I run errands later today...I didn't realize they came with the hose...that's better than scooping loose stuff.

Question Shaeba....Can you put dehydrated stuff in it and not have to refrigerate? Does the vacumn pack make it able to put it in the cabinet instead???:shocked:

Sorry ya'll, I'm having a blonde moment here:nono:????? I think I'll go play in the dirt!!

Huggs everyone, Kimmie

[Shaeba]

Shaeba I'm check out the Foodsaver when I run errands later today...I didn't realize they came with the hose...that's better than scooping loose stuff.

Question Shaeba....Can you put dehydrated stuff in it and not have to refrigerate? Does the vacumn pack make it able to put it in the cabinet instead???:shocked:

Huggs everyone, Kimmie

I'm actually not 100% certain on that Kimmie. I've mostly been using it for dry goods like rice and flour and sugar, as well as things I was planning to freeze. The fruits and veggies I currently have are freeze dried and I ran those into vacuum sealed bags as well, but I know those don't need refrigeration. Sorry I'm not more help on the dehydrated issue. I need to do some investigating.

As for the hose... you still need to scoop things into bags. What those hose is for is for the large cannisters. You scoop everthing into one of the canisters then put the top on, and vacuum all the air out of the canister with the hose and it seals it. Works well for large amounts of things like pasta and rice.

[beanny]

AM CONCERNED for those considering sharing with neighbours etc
have the silent intent,
and trust to know in your path whom/where to consider helping.
close the mouth
open your mind

if your neighbours are your concern...maybe preach/teatch to thousands, but not on home ground
have someone from afar preach/teatch to your home ground
that way neither become immediately under threat when the truth emerges
if you tell 100 people,..to store food, and none listen.
but when **** hits the fan.. and their homes are empty of food...where to you reckon all will run? click click click...we know whom has food....
slaughter for that one portion..many would

98% of my lifetime experience as a wholehearted/foolish giver, finally taught me that

A GIVER/HEART............ withOUT wisdom/awareness of the minds of heartLESSness (in people)
primarilly ATTRACTS....

NOT the needy
NOT the receivers
but
the TAKERS, ABUSERS/USERS

I did not know the emotions of
anger
selfishness
hostility
hatred jealousy
etc
hence i was unable to reckognise such trate in others
we primarily reckognise in others, what we already consist of in ourselves, else have experienced in some form, else we can remain blind

i trusted wholeheartedly, and even where burnt found consistent excuses to blanket the perpretator
EVEN when burnt time after time
i couldnt even see nor sense my own scars for they were so deeply buried beneath my foolish compassion for the soul of the abuser
i did not count in the equation
and neither did the selfish intent of the other..for i could not see/reckognise dishonesty/evil
or it would not be my primary concern, where i did see....for in my mind.. the good of the being annialated any bad...bad became erassed
im sure that...
if i had trod on hitlers foot idv appologised and felt guilty for hurting the guy
ignorance or what

but thankG-d my life experiences have turned ALL that around
have shut off my heart to the point that i no longer see only the soul
but..now, also.... the being

now i can, within reason, reckognise/sence/smell,...
where to trust , where to close off etc,
still learning mind,
i sense the aura, always have done, but used to negate and brush asside anything negative as irrelevent compared to caring for the good of the person

how wrOng was i...what planet must i have come from

my Mother, bless her Soul, usede to say
FIRST IMPPRESSION IS LAST IMPRESSION

(but i took after my father..all trusting/allheart)

in other words, what ur instincts instantly tell you of someone..(instinctsNOTjudgemnts)
no matter how steered off track you become over someone...for however long/short....your final impression/knowledge of this soul/being...
will always come back to the same as th 1st
i.e your intial instinct upon meeting someone, says, steer clear... but you listen to him talk, and you are baught. oh actually, i really like this guy and where he at....
aventually something will prove you back to square one.. steer clear

... without vital survival tools....surely we'd be sheep among wolves from the word go...and right up at the front

the late Jamie of our friends, taught me...
there is compassion
and there is STUPID compassion

i beleive, as example...
we have to realize that storing food and most especially advertising such... would create you into a TARGET
even your neighbour or bestfriend/brother may be unaware of his/her capabilities when faced with possible dehydration/starvation/death

would he/she slaughter for water?

surely, its down to the individual awareness/senses

isnt there 4 sure a fine line between
trying to help others wake up/shake up/store up
but must we discriminate as to whom we open up to?

... how much of that invites us as a prime target when the REAL times are a face?

KNOW whom and how to help in the time /moment

surely...its NOT about JUDGEMENT, BUT DISCRIMINATE

would you feed your adult friend at the expence of your baby dying?
would you starve youself to feed the stranger but not your lifetime friend?
would u feed a neighbour in full knowledge that he would advertise you to the entire neighbourhood?..CREATING you/your children /family into primary TARGET?

if you have enough water for 4 people for 4 months... but 400 people in your town have none...do you really beleive all their hearts are going to be into SHARing?
ask
yourself...
is it more dangerouse to HAVE than NOT TO?


surely, we must learn to live primarily with that inner voice that tells us
when to open up
when to shut up
when to give
when to withold
where to confide/where not to
the inner instinct knows where it would lead...can see the snowball effect
TRUST IN HER...YOUR INNER VOICE

although the ultimate key to survival, surely, is more likely in our vibration and being able to live on the true manna/vibration of a heavenly/being state, than that of our physical dependencys
after all do we know where we may be when **** hits the fan?
anywhere near home/water?
or even near our children?
have we taught them basic survival to sniff out the rat
or the wolf in grandmas clothes, when mums/dads not around to guide/help?
the coming war is of good verses evil
positive verses negative.. is it not?
ask any holocaust survivor...was it the food that kept them alive...or was it the KNOWING IN THE MOMENT/instinct/wisdom of the moment, @every corner

to succeed/survive in the moment through our G-d created witts,
is surely as much a miracle as an angel miraculasly saving us from sure disaster
lighten the load of these poor angels.... go for DIY wisdom/understanding/knowledge where possible

[beanny]

what if you could only keep alive.. .or your small child, or the only man that knows a tunnel down to sure safety for a thousand beings
who would you save?
mann the dilemmas ahead will not be straight forward

hochma
bina
da-at

hebrew for..

wisdom
understanding
knowledge

keep these tools with you at ALL times
maybe i will too

[Shellie]

Thanks beanny, a gulp of reality.