Calm Down, And Read It.

[Norval]

While many still attempt to twist this information back to religion, you can forget it, stop trying to
turn this into a religious argument. This is about a document, the bible, as the message from ETs.

With out the religious rhetoric and verbiage, or words, I will attempt to explain what the bible says
in simple terms about what just happened in the Open Letter thread. This concerns all of us here
at Camelot / Avalon. It is there for all to see what took place and who said what to whom. It is
the "why" that needs to be addressed to see the real picture.

With the following premise:
That of accepting that there are ETs amongst us.
That they are the bad ones that were recently kicked out of "heaven".
That the bible gives us the "picture" on the puzzle box.

The whistle blowers have provided us with much of our information about what these bad ETs are
now doing. Thank you to them. Since these bad ETs, cast down fallen angels, are real physical
beings that eat our food, and we theirs, (manna), and have done unbelievable atrocities to
mankind, are right here amongst us at this very forum, what do you think they are up to now?

When it comes to the truth about who and what these bad ETs (the demons of old) really are they
will react in exactly the way it shows in the Open Letter thread. Their tactics and methods are well
stated in the bible. First and foremost is that the head honcho of these bad ETs is also the "father
of the lie". There are lies at every level and even amongst the bad ETs. You should see the look
on their faces and hear their responses when confronted with the facts of their destruction in our
solar system. Many of these bad ETs didn't know that. Many of the bad ETs were lied to also.
Ironic is what I now find that to be. I have heard these words several times, "What? He can't
know that! How can he know that? He's not supposed to know that!" Quite shocking the first
time it happened. You know for a fact, at that time, you are talking to a bad ET and they are
asking those questions of another, obviously, bad ET present.

Now, is the time to either accept what the bible really is or not. Not from the view point of any
other book as they are not needed. Just the bible, read it for what is really is, our true path to the
stars and the good sentient intelligent beings that didn't want these bad ETs as neighbors anymore.
The enemy the good ETs defeated out there are here now, in person and in force. That is not our
problem as they will be dealt with soon enough by a few of mankind and a whole lot of good ETs.
All you have to do is to learn about that new government of the stars that is about to unfold and
the bible is the document to learn it from. Not second hand either, read it for yourselves.

As I have stated before, I don't quote scripture, as it is called, because you should be able to
recognize what I am talking about if you had read it for yourselves. There are those here that can
help ones to get started with out overwhelming them, like starting at Matthew then Galations, 1st
Corinthians, Jude, and Revelations. The last book of the old testament in most bibles is Malachi, a
good first book to read, it's just three pages long.

Any questions?

We will not respond to any questions posed in a religious way, so be advised to
use words that would be used when discussing a government document. That is all we ask.
Thank you all for your support that has been given to us. You are not alone in knowing the bible
ET connection.

:trumpet: Norval L. Cunningham
:trumpet: Gale Smart

[Swamisalami]

Hi Norval, Hi Gale,

Good to see you back

[Norval]

And what do we just get on the news? So Ironic. :lmao:

http://www.yahoo.com/s/965902

The pope wants all to read their bibles.

[bodzoyfa]

While many still attempt to twist this information back to religion, you can forget it, stop trying to
turn this into a religious argument. This is about a document, the bible, as the message from ETs.

With out the religious rhetoric and verbiage, or words, I will attempt to explain what the bible says
in simple terms about what just happened in the Open Letter thread. This concerns all of us here
at Camelot / Avalon. It is there for all to see what took place and who said what to whom. It is
the "why" that needs to be addressed to see the real picture.

With the following premise:
That of accepting that there are ETs amongst us.
That they are the bad ones that were recently kicked out of "heaven".
That the bible gives us the "picture" on the puzzle box.

The whistle blowers have provided us with much of our information about what these bad ETs are
now doing. Thank you to them. Since these bad ETs, cast down fallen angels, are real physical
beings that eat our food, and we theirs, (manna), and have done unbelievable atrocities to
mankind, are right here amongst us at this very forum, what do you think they are up to now?

When it comes to the truth about who and what these bad ETs (the demons of old) really are they
will react in exactly the way it shows in the Open Letter thread. Their tactics and methods are well
stated in the bible. First and foremost is that the head honcho of these bad ETs is also the "father
of the lie". There are lies at every level and even amongst the bad ETs. You should see the look
on their faces and hear their responses when confronted with the facts of their destruction in our
solar system. Many of these bad ETs didn't know that. Many of the bad ETs were lied to also.
Ironic is what I now find that to be. I have heard these words several times, "What? He can't
know that! How can he know that? He's not supposed to know that!" Quite shocking the first
time it happened. You know for a fact, at that time, you are talking to a bad ET and they are
asking those questions of another, obviously, bad ET present.

Now, is the time to either accept what the bible really is or not. Not from the view point of any
other book as they are not needed. Just the bible, read it for what is really is, our true path to the
stars and the good sentient intelligent beings that didn't want these bad ETs as neighbors anymore.
The enemy the good ETs defeated out there are here now, in person and in force. That is not our
problem as they will be dealt with soon enough by a few of mankind and a whole lot of good ETs.
All you have to do is to learn about that new government of the stars that is about to unfold and
the bible is the document to learn it from. Not second hand either, read it for yourselves.

As I have stated before, I don't quote scripture, as it is called, because you should be able to
recognize what I am talking about if you had read it for yourselves. There are those here that can
help ones to get started with out overwhelming them, like starting at Matthew then Galations, 1st
Corinthians, Jude, and Revelations. The last book of the old testament in most bibles is Malachi, a
good first book to read, it's just three pages long.

Any questions?

We will not respond to any questions posed in a religious way, so be advised to
use words that would be used when discussing a government document. That is all we ask.
Thank you all for your support that has been given to us. You are not alone in knowing the bible
ET connection.

:trumpet: Norval L. Cunningham
:trumpet: Gale Smart

Yep, I have a question. Are you religious at all? Because you come off like a preacher.

[gazbom]

And what do we just get on the news? So Ironic. :lmao:

http://www.yahoo.com/s/965902

The pope wants all to read their bibles.
And did you ever see so many funny hats in one room?

[Brinty]

Yep, I have a question. Are you religious at all? Because you come off like a preacher.

May I make an observation here?

I've known a few preachers who were anything but religious. :mad3:

[Animos]

Norval,

Ur tooooo much in just one source. I Agree that bible is Scientific book and that you can find a lot of real truth in there, BUT... Even if there would be 99% Truth...there is still this 1% which can lead you to the wrong path. And thats exact case with the bible...If You want complete picture you have to combine Bible, Quran, Thorah and all other "religious" book's.

This is the only way you can realy know something and be sure about it. If you relay only on one book you'll fail, cos the truth is a BIG Thing cracked into tiny tiny pieces and spread all over space and time.

So people realy should read those books, cose there you can find almost everything you need to know about existance. Just don't read those books as stories, but think when you read them...do not fall in traps where these books talk about so called "god"... "God" backwards is a dog and he is one of those "bad" ET's. (My Apology to real dog's...they are not bad)
Creator is something else. For now you have a chance to start Co-Create and think about Supreme Inteligence later.
So read al of those book's, You'll find a lot of truth, science, wisdom, knowledge in there..

[Ashatav]

Something about preachers (http://video.google.es/videoplay?docid=-5505313512583412097&ei=NYfqSMynI4ruqAK49YjLDg&q=total+onslaught+secret) :roll1:

Cheers!

[Brinty]

Good one Animos!:thumb_yello: Nothing hacks me off more that getting excited about the observations of say, 10 people on a particular odd phenomena, only to find that each and every one of them formed their opinions from having read the same book. Before I accept anything I read nowadays, it needs to have the support of others who got their information from different sources.

[bodzoyfa]

May I make an observation here?

I've known a few preachers who were anything but religious. :mad3:

My point exactly.

[Chesmayne]

BIBLE:-

http://www.chesmayne.info

01 The Bible is an honest book and tells its story as it was and not how we would like it to have been. The word is not in the Bible and is derived from the Phoenician city of Byblos the principal exporter of papyrus. Greek: biblos, ‘books’ (a collection of books, a library of books, divinely guided). Originally there were no chapters or verses. Stephen Langton, Archbishop of Canterbury (12th century) divided it into chapters. The Genevan Bible was the first to be divided into chapters and verses. It was originally written in Hebrew and Greek. Midrash: ‘to search out’ (a searching of scripture).

02 Revelation: confusion over its interpretation may be due to the fact that its key truths had to be presented in code so that if the book fell into the hands of some first century Roman official, he would not immediately regard it as dangerously subversive. It’s teaching, brilliantly conveyed by means of language and symbolism drawn from the Jewish Scriptures, would be unintelligible to someone without a knowledge of the OT. Christ is the conquering Lion (Rev: 5:5), KI of KIs. Four horsemen = aggression, violence, famine, bloodshed. Apocalypse: from a Greek word meaning ‘revelation’, made to a seer by God or by an angel acting in his name. Crisis-literature (Daniel and the Revelation of John). Eschatological: ‘last things.’ The Bible is not a diary written in God’s hand. It is made up of parables and stories written by men.

The books of the Bible are listed below. The first five books are referred to as the Pentateuch/Torah (‘five-fold’). 01 Genesis 02 Exodus 03 Leviticus 04 Numbers 05 Deuteronomy 06 Joshua 07 Judges 08 Ruth 09 1st Samuel 10 2nd Samuel 11 1st KIs 12 2nd KIs 13 1st Chronicles 14 2nd Chronicles 15 Ezra 16 Nehemiah 17 Esther 18 Job 19 Psalms 20 Proverbs 21 Ecclesiastes (Ben Sirach) 22 Song of Solomon 23 Isiah 24 Jeremiah 25 Lamentations 26 Ezekiel 27 Daniel 28 Hosea 29 Joel 30 Amos 31 Obadiah 32 Jonah 33 Micah 34 Nahum 35 Habkkuk 36 Zephaniah 37 Haggai 38 Zechariah 39 Malachi 40 Matthew 41 Mark 42 Luke 43 John 44 Acts 45 Romans 46 1st Corinthians 47 2nd Corinthians 48 Galatians 49 Ephesians 50 Philippians 51 Colossians 52 1st Thessalonians 53 2nd Thessalonians 54 1st Timothy 55 2nd Timothy 56 Titus 57 Philemon 58 Hebrews 59 James 60 1st Peter 61 2nd Peter 62 1st John 63 2nd John 64 3rd John 65 Jude 66 Revelation.

20 Apocrypha. Greek: hide away. Withheld from general circulation. Apocryphal: a story or anecdote (in character but fictitious). Some of these books are:

01 I and II Esdras. 02 Tobit. 03 Judith. 04 Additions to Esther. 05 Wisdom of Solomon. 06 Ecclesiasticus. 07 Baruch. 08 Song of the three holy children. 09 History of Susanna. 10 Bel and the Dragon. 11 The Prayer of Manasses. 12 I and II Maccabees.

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[Chesmayne,
I reported your posting as it is not even remotely with in posting guidelines. Your posting is also what we would call disinformation. But, thank you for that help in making it easier for others reading to see what we mean.].

Chesmayne: Apologies Norval for the long post but I'm just getting used to adding my two cents on the Avalon forum. I re-edited it today. You may go to my web page if you want to read it in full [the straight orthodox view of the Bible]. My personal view has shifted in the last few years. I'd say the Bible has been edited/censored from the beginning. Whatever the original Christian story was we don't have it today. Disinformation? Where exactly is the dis-information? I usually give 'straight' information as in the above. You may like to view my 'profile' to read my own UFO sighting which occured in 1967 [at bottom of page].

[bennycog]

just asking the question.
the good et's created the bible?
the bad et's created relgious division to control the masses?
on one post you pasted a link that. the pope tells everyone to read the bible.
mine and alot of other peoples assumptions are that the vatican is part of the government elite. part of the religion to control the masses.
i have heard of the acronym of the bible. Basic Information Before Leaving Earth.
this would ring true if we could understand the creation of the bible and its passage through our time. it's handling through our time, as in has it stayed in the right hands or how many times has it been used for dark instead of light.
i'm sure leaders in time have manipulated the information in the bible to further their own cause. so deciphering it's true connection to us and the et's would be the most mammoth of all don't you think?

i hope my intention is comeing across clear norval/gale. it is a hard question to ask because it involves so much. and i hope i asked it in the best way i could. thankyou for coming out with your knowledge
benny

[Gale]

Norval,
We will not respond to any questions posed in a religious way, so be advised to
use words that would be used when discussing a government document. That is all we ask.
Thank you all for your support that has been given to us. You are not alone in knowing the bible
ET connection.


:original:

[Norval]

Bennycog deserves an answer, and I will right after I get done PMing Colin our forum admin. Thank you Bennycog.

[pilot]

I have a question !!

I recently read the Book of Revelation for some reason, I can't remember what prompted it-it was about a month ago, anyway my general understanding of the thing was that a great battle would be fought with lots of fireworks and suffering. There would be lots of confusion and mistrust among people. But, the good guys win so to speak.

Is it your position that the battle is between two et factions, one with selfish motives who would like to subjugate humanity for their own ends, and another faction who would like to allow us our true freedom and sovereignty?

I'm just trying to understand the big picture with regard to your research.

Thanks!

[Gale]

Hi Benny,

how many times has it been used for dark instead of light.

Just consider how much blood has been shed because of those ones using the Bible for their own purpose.

so deciphering it's true connection to us and the et's would be the most mammoth of all don't you think?

It should be the first and foremost task for all us humans. Norval has been doing just that kind of research for over 35 years.

Basic Information Before Leaving Earth

:mfr_lol: the flight manual!
Your questions are appreciated.

Hi Pilot,

Revelations can be a difficult read, it does take time to research. This is not about human sovereignty. Back up a bit closer to the first part of what this is all about. Humanity was handed over for testing, to test our integrity, our heart, would we ultimately be up to the challenge of why we were created and we were created with the attributes and qualities of our Creator. As a result, some of those ET’s were extremely jealous, angry and hateful of us. Also Lucifer wanted to place his throne above our Creators, thus confrontation started.
The sovereignty belongs to our Creator and now his son, our brother, King Jesus.
So the different factions would be the good ET’s and the bad ET’s.

Norval/Gale
:original:

[Animos]

Get more info and knowledge here

http://www.sacred-texts.com/

Bible is just one of many 1000's of books, so in the bible is just 0,1% Truth..everything else is BS, but do read it, cos this 0,1% is 99,9% more than people think know now. ;)

[pilot]

Hi Pilot,

Revelations can be a difficult read, it does take time to research. This is not about human sovereignty. Back up a bit closer to the first part of what this is all about. Humanity was handed over for testing, to test our integrity, our heart, would we ultimately be up to the challenge of why we were created and we were created with the attributes and qualities of our Creator. As a result, some of those ET’s were extremely jealous, angry and hateful of us. Also Lucifer wanted to place his throne above our Creators, thus confrontation started.
The sovereignty belongs to our Creator and now his son, our brother, King Jesus.
So the different factions would be the good ET’s and the bad ET’s.

Norval/Gale
:original:[/QUOTE]

So our creator also created Lucifer, Lucifer tried to claim he was above the creator, and started this fight? Like a jealous older child ? They are jealous of our ability to what? What exactly have we got that others lack?

I am truly a friend of Jesus in the It doesn't matter if he's real or not kind of way-I feel his message is true. When you say our brother, king Jesus, you are not saying this in the traditional religious way?? It's hard to put that down after years of it being presented in that fashion, for me sometimes. I remember wondering as a kid in church why miracles don't happen NOW, why we can't seem to do all the things Jesus could do and said we could do, too. I never understood why people believed it if it wasn't true today. Miracles and healings & whatnot.

I rejected the whole lot in my teens but came around to agreeing with the message of love, peace, etc. I'm with you and very interested in your work, please keep it coming, I think many of us are interested and welcome a nice, civilized discussion of this topic.

Thanks!

[Trishsgate]

Excellent work Norval and Gale, just excellent after finally reading before assuming this was just another religious thread. I would appreciate any of your opinions on the below list of additional books. I read Revelations last night after getting off the web and this will be the first time I read it from New to Old. I have read it the traditional way all the way through several times as well as just picking a book to read. This indeed may be very interesting. Thank you both for all the insight.
The Essene Gospel of Peace which was removed\altered after The Council of Nicaea
The Nag Hammadi Codez as well as the The Apocryphon of John found in 1945
The Book of Enoch
Rumored Fake Rapture by the ptb have you heard anything on this scale or could they possibly pull something like this off.

[Mummy_bean]

Norval

I hear ya. Have thought this for a long time. Tho yours and my interpretations might differ, I have seen it for a long time. But only really allowed myself to see it about 3 years ago. You obviously believe very passionately about this and have other experiences to back up what you're saying - other insights. Can't argue with that.

I think the same is true for many ancient texts - it's all in there in amongst the layers of exegesis and translation. Jesus is really pivotal to the story of this world. There is something critical about his role I believe. I love the way when his disciples are trying to figure out who he is and make their various suggestions he says (or is reported to say) "your words, not mine! That's you saying that, not me!" and yet in John he says "I am He." (The Messiah).
But John was written after the fall of Jerusalem and the destuction of the temple (AD70) so you'd be looking back saying, hey evefrything that JC said was true, so he MUST have been the Messiah. The Bible is full of Agendas, but if you can sift past those to the folksy records of what people saw and what happened you can see what Norval I think is talking about.
I hope I'm right in what I've interpreted, Norval, that you're not saying ET's made the Bible, as we know it now deliberately, just that by virtue of the story that it is a record of it contains this crucial information, as do other books that were left out of the Canon at various points. You are saying you have to get to the gut of the story that's in there. I for one have found it really tough and mentally painful to actually shed the interpretation I was conditioned for so many years to accept. It's tough and it hurts.

I also think the Bible is not the only source of important information.

The Quran contains a brilliant summary of the Torah but from a slightly different perspective. I also think that Mohammed was a recipient of revelation, but that this got screwed up too, as these things do. :smoke:

I could say absolutley loads on this topic but I'm really tired today.

Just wanted to give a nod.


Have a great day folks. x


*******************************
"I refuse to accept the view that mankind is so tragically bound to the starless midnight of racism and war that the bright daybreak of peace and brotherhood can never become reality. I believe that unarmed truth and unconditional love will have the final word. "
Martin Luther King

[Norval]

Swami,
We never left, only stopped posting in that thread for obvious reasons of moderation problems. :original:

Norval,
Now THAT was ironic.

Bodzoyfa,
An obvious poster that has failed to read before posting. Just as they haven't read the posting
guidelines and subsequent requests about posting from our moderators and administrator.
But to answer that question, again, nope, I am not the least bit religious. As the bible lists several
positions, or levels, of oversight within the community, I have been called a minister, priest, and a
few other things. I think "infidel" was my favorite.

Gazbom,
Now it's not nice to pick on the hats that ones wear, , , , but did you get a load of those dresses? :yikes:

Brinty,
Quite the truth there.

Animos,
"Ur tooooo much in just one source."
I think you meant to type "to much INTO just one source"?
Provided you had read the disclosures I have made as to sources, you would have not made that
observation.

Ashatav,
uhmmmmm, it would have been nice to just get your viewpoint about that video.
I don't have the time to watch ALL videos, but the youtube ones about dumb drivers are very
funny to watch. :mfr_lol:

Brinty,
Good point, :thumb_yello: validation and confirmation is always good to get. But just reading books about a
"book" does not constitute having read "the book". Not saying this of you, but that is what most
people have done. There came a time in Gale's and my discussions and research investigations
when I just had to pop off with, "Just read the damn book!" :mad3: . She then did, and the rest is history.

Chesmayne,
I reported your posting as it is not even remotely with in posting guidelines.
Your posting is also what we would call disinformation. But, thank you for that help in making it
easier for others reading to see what we mean.

Bennycog,
There used to be some great information about how we got the bible at the United Bible Societies
web site, you could try there? Thanks for your input.

Pilot,
A real good way to find the answers is to do word searches in a computer bible. One can learn
alot and get the answers they are seeking that way.

Trishgate,
As we have said before, many books, but we use the bible as the one to measure all others
against. A three page book in the bible called Malachi gives a good summary of the whole book. :thumb_yello:

Mummy bean,
It never hurts to know what, and who, is saying when and where.
Yes, think of the wine skins, new into old, most will not be able to, as one person recently posted
me, leave the old for the new. :sad:

Well, I do appreciate all the responses, there is yet much work of investigations and research to
be done. With the bible as the picture on the box this big puzzle came in one can figure out the
puzzle. No, it won't sit well with many, and no, it won't help those that are blinded to it's message.

[Mummy_bean]

Mummy bean,
It never hurts to know what, and who, is saying when and where.


Actually it does. But never mind.


Thanks for your responses Norval.

Just curious to know, were you ever religious? In the past? Did you ever worship anything or anyone? Just wondering what's your story.....? I mean, way back...

[NewParadigmGuy]

A three page book in the bible called Malachi gives a good summary of the whole book. :thumb_yello:

Just for fun I went and read the first chapter of Malachi. It seems to be mostly about the LORD complaining about people bringing unacceptable sacrifices to him, such as blind, crippled, and diseased animals.

OK, what does this have to do with ET's?

Also, what kind of God requires animal sacrifices? It seems rather sick to me. Also, supposedly God created the blind or crippled animals; this book makes him seem rather small minded to think less of them.

PS - I was a Christian for years and have read the Bible many times. I cannot relate to your idea at all that the book has anything to do with ETs or really with much of anything that is going on today. It is a collection of stories and myths from thousands of years ago - how could it possibly be relevant to today?

[gordon]

You are so full of crap, Norval. *I KNOW* YOU are full of crap, because the first post on this thread of yours is crap in everyway. I know because I am the *secret witness* of the Kingdom Of God. I really hope that the Mods of the Avalon can close down this thread or, close Norval for causeing such crap. Trust me, you or anybody else does not want to upset the Almighty-Creator God.

*IF* you can Norval, could you PLEASE EXPLAIN in "detail" of what or how you know what you is talking about is not the crap you are talking about? I need to know or not, that you are not one of those idiots who who just talks on and on and endless crap all the time... PLEASE EXPLAIN IN DETAIL AND TRUTH ABOUT WHAT *YOU* SAY... MR NORVAL.

[Mummy_bean]

*secret witness*

eh? Don't TELL everyone!!!!!!!!


Gordon I think more people have their 'crapometer' on that they let on on here...:sneaky2:

[gordon]

Mummy, I am the Secret Witness. If only people knew what the "secret" is about. Trust me, it isn't something I can just talk about, because it is a secret for a reason.

[Mummy_bean]

it's ok - I didn't say I didn't believe you.

:original:

[Norval]

Gordon I think more people have their 'crapometer' on that they let on on here...:sneaky2:


Yah think? I think mine broke awhile back on some that I have read. :smoke:

[Mummy_bean]

Norval, you are very hard to read.

[gazbom]

You are so full of ****, Norval. *I KNOW* YOU are full of ****, because the first post on this thread of yours is **** in everyway. I know because I am the *secret witness* of the Kingdom Of God. I really hope that the Mods of the Avalon can close down this thread or, close Norval for causeing such ****. Trust me, you or anybody else does not want to upset the Almighty-Creator God.

*IF* you can Norval, could you PLEASE EXPLAIN in "detail" of what or how you know what you is talking about is not the **** you are talking about? I need to know or not, that you are not one of those idiots who who just talks on and on and endless **** all the time... PLEASE EXPLAIN IN DETAIL AND TRUTH ABOUT WHAT *YOU* SAY... MR NORVAL.
Did we forgot to take our medicine today Gordon?
Up to our old tricks again are we, why don't you go play with a crockodile and do us all a favour!
I must say it's refreshing to see the MOD's are on their toes again!

[Norval]

From the looks of other parts of the forum, I would have to say that the Mods have their hands
full. Any one I know has yet to hear from a Mod about thread problems after hitting that
REPORT button, so they must be busy. :original:

Besides, several of us had a good belly laugh about "all that crap". :lmao:

[milk and honey]

What is the 'open letter' you're talking about Norval?

I also believe the fallen angels came here 100s of 1000s of years ago and have been incarnating on earth as we have for ages. They're obsessed with controlling everything and everyone. And yes the angels are extraterrestrial (having not originated on earth just like every soul incarnate here) but i do not accept that they are flying about in 'UFOs' and i don't like to call them "positive ETs" unless we call ourselves the same. No big deal. Obviously no soul originates from planet earth. We're all spiritual beings who originate in the spiritual plane and have incarnated elsewhere aeons ago before our earthly sojourn.

Consequently i don't accept that we or Jesus arrived in 'UFOs' (our soul/spirit simply incarnated here) or that Jesus or anyone else will return in one to give effect to a physical rapture scenario. When we have resurrected the negative aspects of the psyche we, like Jesus, can ascend out of the earth plane into spiritual realms and we will have no need for physical means of conveyance to do so.

Much of the bible is symbolic yet multi-layered and i have written about this at length on other discussion boards. It's always a contentious subject.

[Rocky_Shorz]

Mummy, I am the Secret Witness. If only people knew what the "secret" is about. Trust me, it isn't something I can just talk about, because it is a secret for a reason.

Well I am a messenger, with a tough draw, I was chosen to break the news to Islam that Ali fulfilled the prophesy of the false prophet...

The 1335 years are over (end of Daniel), I was born 1290 years after it was first worshiped...

If you were chosen by anyone but man, you wouldn't be keeping any secrets at this time.

[Carol]

We are asking all members to follow the guidelines and be respectfull one one another. This holds true in this thread or any other thread.

[Norval]

Hi Carol, thanks. for removing the SPAM postings. :original:

Guess GOTZEUS, didn't bother to read about posting, nor Carol's warning about all of us being respectfull one one each other, , , , ,


And the two posters below just can't read at all it appears.

[freeze]

For some reason I really dont see why this thread is in Whistleblower Testimony..... it doesnt really shed any valid info and it has been stated more than once that one must read the bible.

I would have expected actually quotes taken from this bible and how they "mean" something else. Most of us here dont take the bible literally and if there is some hidden thing in it then I dont want to be told to read it and find it myself. The whole idea of whistleblower is someone sharing something that has been kept secret. I know the bible has been twisted but tell me something tangible please.

If not then this thread should be moved ....

[Shechaiyah]

The Bible is some peoples' version of history; and their history involves and invokes YHVH who is called the Sovereign God.

That seems to me to be fairly reasonable, since every planet ought to have leadership.

The Urantia Book serves the same purpose, written by different people trying to describe multi-dimensional, multi-density simultaneous top-down societies as Mandelbrot Sets with coherent and contiguous ethical limits and boundaries.

But to know "God," one must go INWARD, not outward.


Shech--

[Shechaiyah]

Calm down, indeed. SOHO hasn't posted for 36 hours.

The NEXT Rover has been cancelled or postponed.

Within the past few days, a projectile hit Nibiru, but bounced off. See my NASA album.

Fulford says, China and Japan better get with it, to bring the US Not-Sees down, or the whole world will lose.

I see nothing wrong with the entire financial system crashing; it was never logical, sensible nor reasonable in the first place.

But, how do we get human predators and human parasites out of their established leadership roles, without creating more chaos than we can deal with?

I would like to calm down; but I don't have a reason to yet because I can't see light at the end of this tunnel yet. Real leadership is totally lacking except for naomi wolf, cindy mckinney and ben fulford.

Nobody else has any balls. Or they're talking about stashking guns and gold, which is the same old problem, recycled again. Greed.

:sad: Shech--

[Love/Light 13]

Shech-

I understand your frustration completely. The lack of leadership in our country is embarrassing.

I believe, however, that their is a dormant leadership laying in the weeds, waiting to pounce at the opportunity to point people in the right direction. People like you and I, who want desperately for the United States to reclaim its ethical ideals, as well as its dignity. I believe that those of us not sure how to act, how to get involved, will soon be shown the way. Be prepared, because you never know when that time may come...........

L/L 13

*************************

may WISDOM guide COMPASSION

"out of MANY, we are ONE"

[Norval]

Milk and honey,
While many have beliefs, one must be careful on what you base them on, or in. I make it a habit
not to attempt to discuss anyone's beliefs. As I am not religious, I only attempt to present the facts
stated in the bible. Thank you for your post, and sharing your beliefs. :original:

Freeze,
From another post by Freeze in another thread about me and this research.
"I have been reading some of your posts recently and I find them facinating ... I am not religious
myself but have been searching for answers all my life."
You then go off about some other writings and not about the bible. Until you read it, its like a
movie you haven't seen and want to talk about it. The play you haven't seen, and yet you want to
discuss it, read it and then talk about it, the bible.

Freeze said in another post,
Well said the time for teaching IS over .....
Then you won't mind if I don't take the time to "teach" you of what I know about the bible.
Thank you, that gives me more time to teach those that want to know what we do about the bible
and ET connection. That expectation of yours seems misplaced, to say the least. What I have
blown the whistle on is the governments attempt to keep aspects of the bible secret. But, if you
insist on reading all about, and what someone writes / says about the bible, we have no dialogue.

Good post Love/Light13,
Good words, and very true. :thumb_yello:

[MMe M]

So heres what.

Religion is a means of control. All organized religion.

norval you are no more a prophet than anyone else here.

The last translation of the bible came from an emperor with an agenda. He was barbaric and so is the bible. This fact is well documented.

ITS A NOVEL!!! I do not live my life guided by a 2500 year old novel.

Anyone heard of George Carlins thought on religion?

[Norval]

You dishonor me, and yourself, in thinking that this has anything to do with religion. :sad:

[MMe M]

No, ive no dishonor. I am true of spirit and deed.

You are engrossed in a novel. There are many texts you will never see as they do not fit the many agenda's of the roman catholics.

[milk and honey]

Norval,

i notice you often save yourself the trouble of responding to the substance of what a poster has written by picking ONE WORD or phrase out and using it to dismiss their entire post because of it. It's most probably just a program you've got running that your ego can hide behind because it must always be right.

Once a person comes to an absolute position on some matter his ego will insist on it to the exclusion of all assertions or evidence to the contrary. This reminds me of the catholic bible thumpers of the 16th and 17th centuries who insisted on their own unassailable interpretation of scripture. The only difference between their mental box and yours is that your rigidity is based on a different interpretation. Understand, i am saying that truth has nothing to do with my point. I am speaking of a state of consciousness. Could you have been a catholic insisting on a different interpretation of the bible a few centuries ago? Your words are different from the old catholics but to my ear, the music sounds the same.

My own views are informed by the bible and other books and by my own interior spirit. I go through a process of external and internal education in order to come to an acceptance of truth. But i am always open to new information in case my perception is incomplete.

Try responding to the substance of my post with just one word changed. It is bolded and capitalised below.

What is the 'open letter' you're talking about Norval?

I also ACCEPT that the fallen angels came here 100s of 1000s of years ago and have been incarnating on earth as we have for ages. They're obsessed with controlling everything and everyone. And yes the angels are extraterrestrial (having not originated on earth just like every soul incarnate here) but i do not accept that they are flying about in 'UFOs' and i don't like to call them "positive ETs" unless we call ourselves the same. No big deal. Obviously no soul originates from planet earth. We're all spiritual beings who originate in the spiritual plane and have incarnated elsewhere aeons ago before our earthly sojourn.

Consequently i don't accept that we or Jesus arrived in 'UFOs' (our soul/spirit simply incarnated here) or that Jesus or anyone else will return in one to give effect to a physical rapture scenario. When we have resurrected the negative aspects of the psyche we, like Jesus, can ascend out of the earth plane into spiritual realms and we will have no need for physical means of conveyance to do so.

Much of the bible is symbolic yet multi-layered and i have written about this at length on other discussion boards. It's always a contentious subject.

Also Norval....

Every fundamentalist insists that progressive revelation is invalid. Yet even though that is the process upon which most of the bible was written over many millenia, they 'believe' it all stopped 2000 years ago and will begin again in the future when the witnesses and Jesus returns. Consequently, and very conveniently, they can thump one book in the present and deny the spiritual validity and source of anything else since the 1st century AD. So nothing can add or take away from their interpretation of the old and nothing new can add to it. They're boxed in. I'm simply pointing out the closed mindset of fundamentalists of all stripes and saying that the same thing can happen to anyone who comes to a single interpretation of that multi-layered compilation of books, the bible.

[Xammy]

Norval,

i notice you often save yourself the trouble of responding to the substance of what a poster has written by picking ONE WORD or phrase out and using it to dismiss their entire post because of it. It's most probably just a program you've got running that your ego can hide behind because it must always be right.

I have lurked Norvals threads now for a while, and I have made the same observation.

I do not intend this to be an attack of any kind, just a simple statement.

I hope that you, Norval, can take some time to think about how you could better present to people your theories, without invoking the bible all the time.

Unless you are just a bible researcher, or have you also researched other topics, that you perhaps came in to via 'bible studies'?

..


Thought provoking stuff anyways, thanks for time spent here.

And everyone reading this, please do what the title of this thread says, calm down..

Or as I like to put it,

DON´T PANIC! :biggrin2:

:trumpet:

[Gale]

without invoking the bible all the time

This thread is about the Bible and just reading it as a document; a government document. Years of researching the sciences, history, mythology, legends, language, sociology, you name it and this research has landed us both knee deep into it; Norval particularly as he was into this research long before I met him but since then this research, with verification and re-verification comes right back to, it is all right there in that document.

[Xammy]

This thread is about the Bible and just reading it as a document; a government document. Years of researching the sciences, history, mythology, legends, language, sociology, you name it and this research has landed us both knee deep into it; Norval particularly as he was into this research long before I met him but since then this research, with verification and re-verification comes right back to, it is all right there in that document.


I understand that.

I was asking for something other than "it is all right there in that document", for more reasons than one. For example, it´s very easy for people to discard your general theory of the greater picture if you only cite one source. Even if that one source happens to be a collection of multiple sources.

Why not bring up cross referenced information from other so called 'holy' scriptures? Or contemporary work for that matter?

Or are you just blowing your own pipe with this information and thread?

Sincerly,
Xammy

[stal]

no offense intended here, but is there any chance of anyone posting some actual information in this thread, as opposed to arguing semantics? its an interesting topic, and i for one would like to see where it goes. right now it seems to be going nowhere.

(yes, i realise that by posting this i am contributing to the mess, but it needed to be said)

[yohnor]

Great title for this thread. That is what all people on this forum should do.just calm down and read it. The Bible that is. I think, (and that is a danger in of it self) that mostly all people that are looking for truth, as in what is truth? totally miss the Big picture of what the Bible is all about. And this is no way in any offence to those of great intellect on this forum. There is a simple message written, and in such a way, that all people should be able to get out of the Bible that do not. So simple that even the blind,dumb,lame and deaf should be able to get, but there heart is fixed on something else. The Bible,both the old and new testement, are about a people that had and are still having a relationship with the creator of all that is. The simple story that most miss is that, God had a Son that he loved so much that he wanted to have a family just like Him and that if you can find it in your heart to exept his Son you are excepting the One that sent Him, and if you deny his Son, you deny that there is One that is able to send One in his likeness. Yep, that's the story, as well as, you know like when His Son set up the ministry,(that still is in the world today I add) starting from the twelve and then you can read of them sending another 70 out in to the world to meet with those that were like minded in heart and spirit that meet in the home. Those that were willing to turn away from false religion and opression of the like that still is on the earth today. And He said "I will come and receive you unto myself". So, the call has always been "come" and inherit the things I have in store for you since the foundation of the world. He will come! The question is, will you come or are you dumb, lame or can you not hear or see? ET's ?? hahahahaha p.s. please go easy on me as I am only a child

[yohnor]

Sorry, maybe I should not laugh when people talk about ET's because it does say in 1st Co. that there are bodies celestrial and bodies terrestrial.

[Norval]

whoops, , grins

[yohnor]

The question is not, what will I know tomorrow, but will I forget?

[bodzoyfa]

The manner in which you condescendingly refute people's comments about your work, the way you twist people's comments to suit you, and just the outright disdain in your comments to others on this site make you either an angry old man, a disinformation agent, or a narrow minded angry old disinformation agent. You pick. I would love to give you respect but there is none due with the way you project yourself on this site.

[freeze]

The manner in which you condescendingly refute people's comments about your work, the way you twist people's comments to suit you, and just the outright disdain in your comments to others on this site make you either an angry old man, a disinformation agent, or a narrow minded angry old disinformation agent. You pick. I would love to give you respect but there is none due with the way you project yourself on this site.


You took the words right out my head on that one ......:biggrin2:

[cantaloupe]

OK Norval,
Would you provide a sample piece of information that you have gleaned from your research, along with whatever line of reasoning caused you to think that you were making the correct interpretation, that we might discuss here? I'm not saying you're not potentially right but really, no one knows for sure.
When I try to read the bible, much of the the language is so coded that I really have no basis for how to even begin to interpret a lot of it with anything even approaching certainty that my interpretation is correct. And, forgive me, but your interpretations seem to be unlike any that I have encountered before. I can ,in the new testament, find many instructions for living that make sense (love your fellow human, don't judge, do unto others... etc.) But I know that the Bible has been heavily edited from the beginning according to the designs of those who would control it's message and the lives of those under their control. Just calm down and read it doesn't really give me much more to work with in order to evaluate your take on the whole matter. Why not be more forthcoming about your methodology so that one can have some sort of basis for further investigation?

[Stephen]

The question is not, what will I know tomorrow, but will I forget?
We are all striving to remember what we already know...

[Love/Light 13]

Norval-

Thanks for the message yesterday, I have enjoyed your posts as well. Obviously you are quite knowledgable, however may I humbly suggest you may want to take a different approach with some members of this forum.

People on this site are from all walks of life, and all faiths and/or non-faiths. Many are just getting involved into exopolitics and conspiracy research for the first time in their lives.

i guess i am just saying be gentle with the audience, though i know there are many disinfo agents out there as well whom you wish to discredit, rightfully so.........

I myself have never read the bible. I have skimmed bits and pieces of the book throughout my lifetime, however I am not familiar with many of the stories contained within its text. Regardless of this, you were impressed with my posts, and therefore provided me with a wonderful compliment, which frankly was a great boost to my confidence, and is much appreciated.

From what I know of Edgar Cayce and the Holy(Rollers) Book, it is my understanding that humans were orginally androgenous yet were split into male and female by the ET's. The male human crop hated the women, and vise versa. This was the first step in the seperation of the original third density crop of earthen humans. Does this correlate with any of your vast resources or beliefs?

Thanks again for your contributions to Avalon........

L/L 13

*******************************

may WISDOM guide COMPASSION

"out of MANY, we are ONE"

[Norval]

Well said Old Dood, :lmao:

We are out painting the boat and enjoying the wild life here, not to put you all on hold, but this boat work has got to get done. The rains are coming. I would hope only for your patience. :original:

http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/album.php?albumid=115&pictureid=760

Thanks.

[ET3]

huh?

[Norval]

http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/showpost.php?p=44702&postcount=108

That should help some.:original:

[bennycog]

i like the above post norval. glad to see you are starting to let some more info out to us all. thankyou.

[dutchie]

no offense intended here, but is there any chance of anyone posting some actual information in this thread, as opposed to arguing semantics? its an interesting topic, and i for one would like to see where it goes. right now it seems to be going nowhere.

(yes, i realise that by posting this i am contributing to the mess, but it needed to be said)

I agree is there nothing better to do or discuss, lets get with the program.

[Norval]

BIBLE
Basic Information Before Leaving Earth.

I quote from here,
http://www.amazon.com/tag/religion/forum?%5Fencoding=UTF8&cdForum=Fx417AUXOWKSRN&cdThread=Tx1L88YLFOQ9UDW
The first book published on a printing press was the Bible. Since then it has continued as the most
published book in the world. The average family in the USA has more than one copy of the Bible
at home.

How is it possible that what some call a cult book of myths, could become such a popular book?
Tell us your thoughts!

What Are You Reading Old Man?

A century ago, an old man was traveling alone in France by train. A much younger man, who was
sitting next to him watched as the older man reached into his traveling case, took out a Bible and
began to read. After a while, the younger man decided to strike up a conversation. "What are you
reading?" he asked. "I am reading from the 6th chapter of Mark in the New Testament." "What
does it say?" the young man asked. "It is the story of the miracle of the loaves and fishes. This
gospel writer tells us about a vast crowd that had followed Jesus because of the signs He was
performing for the sick. Jesus then preached to the crowd until it was dark and they were hungry.
With only five barley loaves and a couple of dried fishes, Jesus fed the entire crowd of five
thousand people. And when the people had finished eating, the leftovers filled twelve baskets."

A little scornful the young man asked, "Do you really believe that?" "Yes, I do" came the reply, to
which the younger man answered, "I can see that you have been brainwashed by ancient
superstitions. That could never have happened to me. You see, I am a scientist. Everything that
happens in this world can ultimately be accounted for scientifically. The story you have read defies
the laws of science and therefore is sheer fantasy. Give me facts, provable facts. As a man of
science, I can have no faith in miracles. But I cannot expect you to understand that."

At this point, the train began to slow down. "Here is my station," said the young man as he rose
from his seat. "It was nice talking to you Mr., I'm sorry I didn't get your name." Whereupon, the
old man handed him his calling card bearing the name, Louis Pasteur, one of the world's greatest
scientists.

One of the coolest aspects of knowing about the bad ETs here amongst us and on the forum is
how to identify them. I ask you all to calm down and just read what the bible says. No codes, no
secret passages, no mysteries, just read the book. If you cant understand what it says, I mean
after all you are reading it in your language, right? :original:

Norval L. Cunningham

[YLG]

This thread is precisely why religion or the bible is not the answer. Can't even get a long on a forum where we are coming together to help each other. Where is the love brothers?

[Norval]

Some time back I was asked about this movie from this guy so blame this post on him.
http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/member.php?u=395 :original:
Zeitgeist Addendum,

Ok, They threw out the baby with the bath water.

I wonder if they would rethink their understanding with acceptance of ET / UFO bible connection
knowledge?

Many great points in the movie, except their religionization of the bible. I am in full agreement
about religions, bad governance, national attitudes and that we should become one as knowing
our true humanity. With comprehension of a much bigger picture than just our world mankind is
also on the brink of the ET / UFO disclosure. That then puts the spin to how about mankind
learning about ET governance and social acceptance in the galaxies? The bible, it's not about
religion but about an intergalactic oneness that is already established. You may want to read it.

To add to this I have to appreciate the technological references made as we all give thanks for this
wonder of the internet. It is also what blew the lid off the research Gale and I were doing. One
will not be able to accept the bible for what it actuallly contains without modern technological
comprehension. That is the only key we know of for comprehension of what the bible has to say
about mankind and the galaxies inhabitants of sentient inteligent life. Technology has unlocked all
the bibles words to investigation by searches of topical importance and with great speed. Try it,
you'll like it. Love is what the Good ETs up ^ there have done for us, and are about to do more. :original:

Norval L. Cunningham
Gale Smart

[golden lady]

If there is any truth in what Norval is saying. Shouldnt we all just stop bickering and pay attention. This could be the guidence we are looking for. The answers we are all searching for, could be there before us.
But Noval, with respect, I would say to you we have not the time to go and read the bible, to decipher the codes, to understand the meaning and direction we need to take. So please help us here.
Please heed, the insight you bring, could also be quite disturbing. Remember we have been led to see what they have wanted us to see for so long. With your vast research and knowledge it would be more benificial (instead of getting lead into silly disagrements) to actually share with us your findings.

Love, peace and courage to all.

[Jacqui D]

It seems this thread is causing quite a stir, many are thinking on the same lines that the bible holds some truth but not everything can be trusted.
The bible has been corrupted it's true teaching mislead by the ones who have worked so hard to keep it's true meaning hidden from the masses.
It is full of idol worship, ritualistic sacrifices, adultery and corruption.

[Love/Light 13]

Norval-

How will the Good ET's know when the right time for a mass appearance, or when mass contact should be?

Will they read the etheric recordbook of the planet to find the exact right moment?

Do you believe there are negative ET's living among us or underground on this planet right now? If so, are they primarily in contact with the US Government, another Gov't, or the Vatican/Jesuit Order perhaps?

Thanks again for all your contributions....

L/L 13

****************************

may WISDOM guide COMPASSION

"out of MANY, we are ONE"

[beauwalton@rocketmail.com]

Hey there, Norval.

Do you believe the Koran is sending the same message as the Bible?

Regarding the bible, How can such a simple message be covered up for so long do you think?

[Norval]

Golden Lady,
Thank you, well spoken, good advice too. We thank you. We hope that we are doing this for the
most part. :original:

Jacqui D,
Everything has it's meaning.
Thank you.

Love/Light13,
It is wrote, that the "time of the end would be cut short, , , , " it will happen like a "thief in the
night". I have answered the other questions in my previous posts.
Thanks, and keep reading, and keep looking up. Why? Because King Jesus "returns in the
clouds". :original:

Beauwalton,
"Do you believe the Koran is sending the same message as the Bible?"

When it comes to other writings that are used by religions, and you mention the Koran, I will say
this for Islam. When they built the Dome of the Rock, some time around 650 AD, on the temple
site it effectively stopped all sacrifices there by the Jews. A fulfillment of bible prophesy? Yes, at a
very high probability.

Jesus gave us a warning that the Jews would "be trampled by the nations till the last days." History
shows us that the Jews were given "Israel" as their national lands back in 1948. Israel then
showed that they were no longer to be trampled on in the 1967 six day war. They are a 1st world
power with atomic and other weapons. In 1993 the last of the countries of the world released any
Jews behind their borders to return to Israel if they so wanted to.

We have two dates in history concerning the Jews, 1948 and 1993, that are known by all to be
true. Now when it comes to the exact date that the Dome of the Rock was built, there isn't one.
That is still up for discussion by researchers. There is another bible "prediction" that gives light to
this information.

Daniel was given to know that from the time that the sacrifices were stopped, there would be
1,290 "days", and happy would be those that made it to the 1,335 "day". Also keep in mind the
"day for a year" passage. Now, some simple math shows us this;

1948 AD, minus 1,290 years, equals 658 AD. Our money is on that date as the date for the true
final construction of the Dome of the Rock that stopped the Jews from ever sacrificing there
again. Then 45 years later, the 1,335 "days" ended in 1993 when the Jews were released by all
the remaining countries to return "home". Our research shows that of all the attempts to
understand this prophesy this to be the most probable fulfillment. Do your own research though. :trumpet:


"Regarding the bible, How can such a simple message be covered up for so long do you think?"
The best place to hide anything is right in front of you. Just "cloak" it with religious mystery and
rituals, until we had acquired the needed technological comprehension to accept the fact that "we
are not alone". :yikes:

Norval L. Cunningham
Gale Smart

[sfth13]

Hi Norval,
I just want to thank you for posting this info. I'll just say growing up in NYC in an Italian family and rasised Roman Caltholic it wasn't easy for me. at a very young age I just felt that the bible wasn't being presented the right way to the people. since I didn't belive this i kinda of pushed it away and lived my life pretty much believing in they way you see see it. I always felt that God , the Lord what ever you want to call him was an ET. everytime I mentioned this people thought I was nuts :mfr_lol: they still do. but since seeing your post I have started to read the bible the way you suggest as a Government document. it's dufficult at first trying to break down the religous wall while reading but it makes a lot of sense. thanks agian, at least i know i'm not alone.:thumb_yello:

[beauwalton@rocketmail.com]

Daniel was given to know that from the time that the sacrifices were stopped, there would be
1,290 "days", and happy would be those that made it to the 1,335 "day". Also keep in mind the
"day for a year" passage. Now, some simple math shows us this;

1948 AD, minus 1,290 years, equals 658 AD. Our money is on that date as the date for the true
final construction of the Dome of the Rock that stopped the Jews from ever sacrificing there
again. Then 45 years later, the 1,335 "days" ended in 1993 when the Jews were released by all
the remaining countries to return "home". Our research shows that of all the attempts to
understand this prophesy this to be the most probable fulfillment. Do your own research though


Great stuff Norval, another piece in the Revelation to John puzzle!

[Bobbi]

A short story that may help. Although I was raised in a very structured religious environment, family circumstances were such that I didn't actually start to read the bible with any understanding until I was 15 years old. By that time I had been thoroughly enthralled with science fiction. Almost immediately upon reading the bible in study groups, it hit me! The bible, to me, was a very good science fiction novel. I had very big issues with religion (all) because of the blatant hyprocrisy I found everywhere and in everyone I met - including those in our church.

At 19 I threw the baby out with the bath water and refused to have anything further to do with churches, religion, spirituality, whatever title fit. I forbid any religious material in my home or around my children, other than the exposure to their grandmother. One day my five year old daughter asked me this question after visiting with my mother. "If God created man, who created God?" My response was "That's a very good question. I don't have the answer, but this is what I believe. We are here on earth as a science project, a laboratory experiment. We are being monitored and tested, just like a lab rat - tested to see what abilities are inherent in all creatures. I don't know who started it all but I believe there is a higher power, I don't know his name, I don't know where he came from, I don't know why he's doing this, but until I do, I'm not going to drop to my knees and 'worship' him. Let's just wait and see what happens."

I have based my entire life on one scripture from the Bible that I felt was the most important to me and would, in the end, allow my heart to be read for the person that I am. Jesus once said that whenever you give to the least of my brothers, you are giving to me. Therefore, everyone - and I do mean everyone - has been treated as a decent person - UNTIL they prove otherwise.

Decades passed and a few tribulations later and a few more tests and I met my husband, who opened up the floodgates. NOW I knew the "Why". I had always believed in aliens since I was a child. I just never put it together with the bible. WHAT AN EYE OPENER!!!!!!!! I'm still catching my breath, but what I can tell you is that a new peace has settled within me since that time. I now know I have a job to do and when the time comes, I will gladly oblige.

[beauwalton@rocketmail.com]

A short story that may help. Although I was raised in a very structured religious environment, family circumstances were such that I didn't actually start to read the bible with any understanding until I was 15 years old. By that time I had been thoroughly enthralled with science fiction. Almost immediately upon reading the bible in study groups, it hit me! The bible, to me, was a very good science fiction novel. I had very big issues with religion (all) because of the blatant hyprocrisy I found everywhere and in everyone I met - including those in our church.

At 19 I threw the baby out with the bath water and refused to have anything further to do with churches, religion, spirituality, whatever title fit. I forbid any religious material in my home or around my children, other than the exposure to their grandmother. One day my five year old daughter asked me this question after visiting with my mother. "If God created man, who created God?" My response was "That's a very good question. I don't have the answer, but this is what I believe. We are here on earth as a science project, a laboratory experiment. We are being monitored and tested, just like a lab rat - tested to see what abilities are inherent in all creatures. I don't know who started it all but I believe there is a higher power, I don't know his name, I don't know where he came from, I don't know why he's doing this, but until I do, I'm not going to drop to my knees and 'worship' him. Let's just wait and see what happens."

I have based my entire life on one scripture from the Bible that I felt was the most important to me and would, in the end, allow my heart to be read for the person that I am. Jesus once said that whenever you give to the least of my brothers, you are giving to me. Therefore, everyone - and I do mean everyone - has been treated as a decent person - UNTIL they prove otherwise.

Decades passed and a few tribulations later and a few more tests and I met my husband, who opened up the floodgates. NOW I knew the "Why". I had always believed in aliens since I was a child. I just never put it together with the bible. WHAT AN EYE OPENER!!!!!!!! I'm still catching my breath, but what I can tell you is that a new peace has settled within me since that time. I now know I have a job to do and when the time comes, I will gladly oblige.
Nice story Bobby and I never realised, you are Norval's lady, what a lucky guy!

[Norval]

Yes, she is quite the gal, well, she puts up with me anyway. :mfr_lol:

Her allergy to BS helps alot in our research. :thumb_yello:

[Gale]

This information and knowledge does restore ones sanity in an insane world.
Whereas, lies breed confusion, confusion breeds insanity.

I have to say; Bobbi has a good heart and is a good person, I am very thankful for her help with this research.
The kids and I, with my daughter’s boyfriend Evan that has Cerebral Palsy, the result of multiple births, went camping for a weekend in July of 2007 with Bobbi and Norval at Friday Harbor. Last Christmas, the kids and I visited Bobbi and Norval on the boat and was fortunate to be there for their marriage.

:welcomeani:

[Stephen]

Yes, she is quite the gal, well, she puts up with me anyway. :mfr_lol:

Her allergy to BS helps alot in our research. :thumb_yello:

Yes, I FULLY understand your first statement Norval. ;)
(and the second one too...hehe)

What little I know of your lovely Bride is this: She 'salts' her words.
She speaks when she has something to say. I admire people that can do that.
This tells me Bobbi is thinking before leaping.
To find a spouse that 'works with you' is rare indeed.
Love is Work. No getting around that. It took me most of my 25+ years married to Mrs Dood to finally understand/grok that. :)

Now that doesn't mean Mrs Dood does not call ME out on my BS. haha!
However, we have learned to love one another even with our differences.
Learning to love is a major key in a relationship.
(communication is #1 in my book)
When I got married so many years ago I realize now that I was pretty clueless on what love really is....

I am still learning...

I apologize for going a tad off-topic Norval.
I know you do not care for that.
I felt it was necessary to share my thoughts openly with you and other members here...please forgive me.

[Mystica]

I apologize for going a tad off-topic Norval.

I don't think it off-topic at all.

Love is something you do. Not something you feel or talk about. It manifests through actions and goes to the heart of the subject matter.

[Norval]

Bobbi and I wanted to make sure many others saw this picture taken yesterday morning.

http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/picture.php?albumid=115&pictureid=3265

I called it "The Mists of Avalon"
The Swan, the Heron at middle right, the Seals at middle left.

Love is expressed in many ways. One of those ways is self sacrifice and seeking the advantage of
another, in other words, help someone accomplish what they want to do.

Even our enemies are to be shown "love", but not to give them bullets for their guns, just
sustenance. We have even won the respect of some of those that we call agents. We have come
to realize that there are reformed former bad ETs also and acknowledged their positions in all of
this at this time.

Then there are the highbred, GMOs, ones with adopted DNA from mankind. Even they are loved
with a provision for continued life. We know that the bible expressly states when the ETs left their
positions and came to earth and "mated" with women, also from the abduction experiences, men
too. They are not to be killed, as in times past, but are afforded the same amnesty based on their
"heart", integrity, honor, and so on, just as mankind will be judged worthy of life, or not.

Remember, Jesus came from up ^ there, became one of mankind and went back up ^ there to be
crowned as King of the Universe. His "sacrifice" also covers all sentient intelligent life forms that
will avail themselves of this provision of amnesty and forgiveness. Yes, love is being shown
beyond our highest expectations. :trumpet:

Norval L. Cunningham
Gale Smart

[beauwalton@rocketmail.com]

Bobbi and I wanted to make sure many others saw this picture taken yesterday morning.

http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/picture.php?albumid=115&pictureid=3265

I called it "The Mists of Avalon"
The Swan, the Heron at middle right, the Seals at middle left.

Love is expressed in many ways. One of those ways is self sacrifice and seeking the advantage of
another, in other words, help someone accomplish what they want to do.

Even our enemies are to be shown "love", but not to give them bullets for their guns, just
sustenance. We have even won the respect of some of those that we call agents. We have come
to realize that there are reformed former bad ETs also and acknowledged their positions in all of
this at this time.

Then there are the highbred, GMOs, ones with adopted DNA from mankind. Even they are loved
with a provision for continued life. We know that the bible expressly states when the ETs left their
positions and came to earth and "mated" with women, also from the abduction experiences, men
too. They are not to be killed, as in times past, but are afforded the same amnesty based on their
"heart", integrity, honor, and so on, just as mankind will be judged worthy of life, or not.

Remember, Jesus came from up ^ there, became one of mankind and went back up ^ there to be
crowned as King of the Universe. His "sacrifice" also covers all sentient intelligent life forms that
will avail themselves of this provision of amnesty and forgiveness. Yes, love is being shown
beyond our highest expectations. :trumpet:

Norval L. Cunningham
Gale Smart
Inspirational stuff Norval, thanks.

[Steven]

Hello Norval. I want to keep it short and simple because I am tempted to write a long series of thoughts, but it would be too much.

First, the bible is a book to be studied with discernment and absolutely with the light of other sources. You have to be able to compare. Because you already know by now, all actual versions of the bible have been altered many times.

Second, if you see signs of the apocalypse coming out, it is because the controllers are following it like a script.

Remember, all that is official, or as an official tag on it, is altered for the purpose of controlling. Not only the bible, all the books which has a powerful impact over the masses.

The real Holy Bible is still written as we speak and is growing from the seat of the Soul.

Namaste, Steven

[TAXMASTER]

i have been a searcher all my life. i have studied the bible many times for different reasons. my personal opinion is that revelations is a story about the internal struggle we all face within our own soul. a battle between light and no light.

i do not think any of the enlightened ones who came came before us intended to start a religeon. jesus was in fact a devout jew. religeon was created after the fact by followers of the enlightened ones who presupposed the intentions of the enlightened ones.

If the bible, torah, book of the dead, etc give you peace then good for you. I have come to the conclusion that organized religeon is about control. i travel about and look at these magnificent buildings with 50 rooms built out of the finest quality materials available and wonder how many hungry people could have been fed instead. here is how I view religeon and it's role:

imagine you are a parent with 3 children and their chore is to alternate taking out the trash each day. child 1 loves to help with the household and takes pleasure in being productive and not only takes out the trash but cleans the can and puts in a new trash bag in it's place plus asks if they can do anything else to help. child 2 keeps postponing his time and usually tries to get on of the other 2 children to do it for him. if that doesn't work, you as the parent threaten to take away his privildges and ground him if he doesn't take out the trash. after him-hawing around and stomping his feat, he eventually takes out the trash but that is all he does, nothing else. child 3 refuses to do any chores so you exclude him from family activities & ground him to his room as punishment.

child 1 and child 2 both did their chores. the trash got taken out in both cases however as a parent, which would you feel better about, the 1 that willingly did the deed or the 1 that you had to coerce & threaten?

to me, child 1 is the spiritual one that doesn't need a higher authority to threaten them into doing the right thing. child 2 is the church goer that attends on sunday to feel good about his self and then screws his neighbor on monday. child 3 just screws his neighbor anyway, but he doesn't try to make you think he is somebody that he is not.

Namaste'

[Norval]

Steven,
Fortunately the alterations never harmed the message.
"Second, if you see signs of the apocalypse coming out, it is because the controllers are following
it like a script."
Yes, that is because it is a script in many ways.
Thanks for your input.

TAXMASTER,
As a CPA, you are aware of the manuals that it takes to study the tax codes for various financial
states of peoples resources, to ensure you provide them with accurate information. You lament
because they did not follow your suggestions to avoid this crises they now face. I too will lament
for those that do not make the connection about ET and the bible and to not look at it from any
religious point of view. This discussion is about that connection based on our ability to
technologically comprehend the bible. It is about the Government of the Galaxies, not religion or
religious views. It is also about advanced technology to restore ones health completely.

It is written that riches will be thrown in the streets when King Jesus comes.
I guess that treasure becomes trash then. :wink2:
Thank you for your input.

[arcora]

Perhaps now that some are fed up with the New Age 'channeler' prophecies that are clearly false, they will take a good hard look at this book which accurately predicted:

1. The rise of the NWO
2. The return of Israel as a nation (against all conceivable odds)
3. The signs in the sky
4. The rise of the New Age religion
5. The dominance of reptilian ET's over society
6. The birth and death of Jesus
7. The rise and fall of the Roman Empire
8. The rise and fall of the Greek Empire
9. The rise and fall of the Babylonian Empire
10. The fall of the Egyptian Empire

And on and on and on....

So, as Norval suggested...Calm down and read it.

[beauwalton@rocketmail.com]

Perhaps now that some are fed up with the New Age 'channeler' prophecies that are clearly false, they will take a good hard look at this book which accurately predicted:

1. The rise of the NWO
2. The return of Israel as a nation (against all conceivable odds)
3. The signs in the sky
4. The rise of the New Age religion
5. The dominance of reptilian ET's over society
6. The birth and death of Jesus
7. The rise and fall of the Roman Empire
8. The rise and fall of the Greek Empire
9. The rise and fall of the Babylonian Empire
10. The fall of the Egyptian Empire

And on and on and on....

So, as Norval suggested...Calm down and read it.
The rise and fall of the Anglo American Empire
And gods disgust of the league of nations, (United Nations)

[Zynox]

... for the cliff notes ... this sums things up in a reasonably condensed version that feels close enough, for me:

War in Heaven (http://communityvisionblog.ning.com/forum/topic/show?id=2347170%3ATopic%3A182)

... in the few weeks spent within this material, my heart has blossomed and i am empowered to have a user guide that allows each to find harmony ...

~ much love ~

[Norval]

When is "disclosure", his return, this King of the universe, when is the return of Jesus?
When will that one thousand five hundred mile big Heavenly New Jerusalem show up?

True, it is written that we will not know at what time of the day, nor the day, that disclosure will
happen. As has been stated before in these threads about the bible, it will happen like a thief in the
night. It also says that it will be at a time when it is least expected.

We are also warned not to run here and there looking for anything. But it does say to look up and
see the signs, and to look around and see the "times" we are in. We are to know the "season" of
when it is immanent. Why else would anybody be searching as we all are?

Because we all know something is going to happen. :original:

[Norval]

BIBLE
Basic Information Before Leaving Earth. :original:

I am not going to be posting any more in this thread as it has served it's purpose. I restate the first
post as it reflects the intent of these postings. When it comes to "knowing" about what is coming
upon mankind and earth you may find the bible to be your only true source. Think about it. Why
are so many trying to steer people away from just reading the bible?



While many still attempt to twist this information back to religion, you can forget it, stop trying to
turn this into a religious argument. This is about a document, the bible, as the message from ETs.

With out the religious rhetoric and verbiage, or words, I will attempt to explain what the bible says
in simple terms about what just happened in the Open Letter thread. This concerns all of us here
at Camelot / Avalon. It is there for all to see what took place and who said what to whom. It is
the "why" that needs to be addressed to see the real picture.

With the following premise:
That of accepting that there are ETs amongst us.
That they are the bad ones that were recently kicked out of "heaven".
That the bible gives us the "picture" on the puzzle box.

The whistle blowers have provided us with much of our information about what these bad ETs are
now doing. Thank you to them. Since these bad ETs, cast down fallen angels, are real physical
beings that eat our food, and we theirs, (manna), and have done unbelievable atrocities to
mankind, are right here amongst us at this very forum, what do you think they are up to now?

When it comes to the truth about who and what these bad ETs (the demons of old) really are they
will react in exactly the way it shows in the Open Letter thread. Their tactics and methods are well
stated in the bible. First and foremost is that the head honcho of these bad ETs is also the "father
of the lie". There are lies at every level and even amongst the bad ETs. You should see the look
on their faces and hear their responses when confronted with the facts of their destruction in our
solar system. Many of these bad ETs didn't know that. Many of the bad ETs were lied to also.
Ironic is what I now find that to be. I have heard these words several times, "What? He can't
know that! How can he know that? He's not supposed to know that!" Quite shocking the first
time it happened. You know for a fact, at that time, you are talking to a bad ET and they are
asking those questions of another, obviously, bad ET present.

Now, is the time to either accept what the bible really is or not. Not from the view point of any
other book as they are not needed. Just the bible, read it for what is really is, our true path to the
stars and the good sentient intelligent beings that didn't want these bad ETs as neighbors anymore.
The enemy the good ETs defeated out there are here now, in person and in force. That is not our
problem as they will be dealt with soon enough by a few of mankind and a whole lot of good ETs.
All you have to do is to learn about that new government of the stars that is about to unfold and
the bible is the document to learn it from. Not second hand either, read it for yourselves.

As I have stated before, I don't quote scripture, as it is called, because you should be able to
recognize what I am talking about if you had read it for yourselves. There are those here that can
help ones to get started with out overwhelming them, like starting at Matthew then Galations, 1st
Corinthians, Jude, and Revelations. The last book of the old testament in most bibles is Malachi, a
good first book to read, it's just three pages long.

Any questions?

We will not respond to any questions posed in a religious way, so be advised to
use words that would be used when discussing a government document. That is all we ask.
Thank you all for your support that has been given to us. You are not alone in knowing the bible
ET connection.

:trumpet: Norval L. Cunningham
:trumpet: Gale Smart

[Norval]

And keep looking up, , , , , , , , ,

[zorgon]

May I make an observation here?
I've known a few preachers who were anything but religious. :mad3:

"Lo and Behold...." Verily I say unto thee...

Religion doth make one preach but a being a preacher doth not make one religious:tongue2:

Oh yeah forgot... no religious mumbo jumbo...

Okay so how come no one will answer my question about the animals and the ark? :mad3:





.l.

[arcora]

Okay so how come no one will answer my question about the animals and the ark?

I assume you mean this?

from another thread:
1) How many animals of each kind got on the Ark

2 of each unclean
14 of each clean




Okay so how come no one will answer my question about the animals and the ark?

Because it seemed you already knew the answer.

[Brinty]

Okay so how come no one will answer my question about the animals and the ark? :mad3:


.l.

Sorry old chap, :sad: I must have zizzed off and missed it. Ask again and I'll try and stay awake to hear it this time. :lol3: