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QUESTINY
09-07-2008, 03:02 PM
Cheney blasts Russian 'brutality', Moscow demands respect

09/07/2008 01h42
www.afp.com


CERNOBBIO, Italy (AFP) - US Vice President Dick Cheney accused Russia of using "brutality" and seeking Soviet-style dominance through the Georgia conflict but Russia's leader insisted that the war has changed the world map.

Diplomatic tensions heightened as French President Nicolas Sarkozy prepared a mission to Moscow on Monday to seek a stronger Kremlin commitment to a ceasefire he negotiated to end the five day Russia-Georgia conflict last month.

EU foreign ministers called for Russia to allow a new observer mission into Georgia and two breakaway regions at the heart of the hostilities.

Cheney said the West should take a stand against Russia as he gave an account of a tour to Georgia and two other ex-Soviet states to a conference in Italy on Saturday.

"Russia has a choice to make, and we in the transatlantic alliance have responsibilities," Cheney said after his visit to Azerbaijan, Georgia and Ukraine to pledge US support.

"We know that if one country is allowed to unilaterally redraw the borders of another, it will happen -- and it will happen again. We know that if we permit a new line to be drawn across Europe, that line will be drawn."

Cheney said Russia appeared to seek a return to the Soviet era and was defying its responsibilities under the French-brokered ceasefire with Georgia by recognising the independence of South Ossetia and Abkhazia.

"This chain of aggressive moves and diplomatic reversals has only intensified the concern that many have about Russia's larger objectives. For brutality against a neighbour is simply the latest in a succession of troublesome and unhelpful actions by the Russian government," he said.

He accused Russia of using its oil and gas "as a tool of force and manipulation," and said its sales of "advanced weapons" to Syria and Iran had endangered Middle East peace prospects.


Earlier, Russia's President Dmitry Medvedev asserted his country's claim for international respect and accused the United States of rearming Georgia under the guise of sending humanitarian aid on US Navy ships.

At a meeting of top officials at the Kremlin, Medvedev assertively declared that "Russia is a state that has to be reckoned with from now on."

"We have lived a moment of truth.... The world changed after August 8 this year," he said, referring to the date Russian troops entered Georgia to end its attempt to reestablish control over South Ossetia.

Medvedev again criticised the US missions to Georgia that Washington insists are only carrying relief supplies. The latest US vessel docked Friday at the Georgian port of Poti, near to where Russian troops are patrolling.

"I wonder how they would like it if we sent humanitarian assistance using our navy to countries of the Caribbean that have suffered from the recent hurricanes," Medvedev said.

Russia bombed the Black Sea port last month during the conflict and has kept troops near Poti. Medvedev described the aid deliveries as "political pressure" by the West.

RIA Novosti news agency quoted an unnamed Russian intelligence officer saying there were now seven military ships from Germany, Poland, Spain and United States in the Black Sea.

Western countries have called on Russia to withdraw all troops from Georgia immediately and have condemned Moscow's decision to recognise the independence of South Ossetia and Abkhazia.

EU foreign ministers, meeting in Avignon, France, called for an international inquiry into the conflict and the rapid deployment of an EU observer mission to Georgia.

The French president travels to Moscow on Monday to push for the full implementation of the ceasefire accord he negotiated last month.

Sarkozy will be accompanied by European Commission President Jose Manuel Barroso and EU foreign policy chief Javier Solana.

Mustafa OzerHe will in particular seek Russian acceptance of an EU observer mission in Georgia and the setting of a date for international talks on the future of South Ossetia and Abkhazia.

Meanwhile, French Foreign Minister Bernard Kouchner revealed that "a translation problem" had fueled differences in interpreting the peace plan which was signed in French and then translated into English and Russian.

The difficulties have been over what Russia calls "buffer zones" around South Ossetia and Abkhazia.

A passage in the Russian version spoke of security "for South Ossetia and Abkhazia" -- whereas the English version spoke of security "in" the two areas, Kouchner said.

Russia insists the "buffer zones" are needed to stop Georgian forces threatening the breakaway provinces.

OceanWinds
09-07-2008, 03:27 PM
sounds like a whole lot of B.S. from both sides

seekntruth
09-07-2008, 05:05 PM
It's very interesting to observe Cheney trying to claim the high ground in this situation. He talks as if the poor Georgians were suddenly attacked by the Russians. Of course that would completely ignore the facts that there were U.S. and Israeli military trainers in Georgia for months before the attack on South Ossetia. And guess what they were all doing? Well, they just happened to be training Georgian troops for just such an attack. Then, when Washington gave the green light to the Georgian president to attack the civilians of South Ossetia, the U.S. starts acting like they had no warning of any kind.

Is anyone really believing anything the Bush administration says any more?

Vance

QUESTINY
09-07-2008, 05:28 PM
Seekntruth, you got it!!!!

trainedobserver
09-07-2008, 06:34 PM
Is anyone really believing anything the Bush administration says any more?


I watched Loose Change the Final Cut last night for the second time. I have to wonder why anyone would believe anything from the administration that blocked the investigation of the events of 9/11 like they did.

Peace4Gaia
09-07-2008, 08:05 PM
This is classic "wag the dog" action on the part of Bush & Co. I don't watch TV, so haven't been drawn in to all the media hype, but I am aware of how the propaganda machine started spewing spin immediately. And even I was taken in for a moment... until I sat down and did some further research. They poked the bear and then cried foul...

And the reason people are still duped is because they don't bother to step outside their comfort zones for fear they might find some uncomfortable truth. Many were unaware a 3rd bldg. collapsed on 911, they take the "official" report as truth, they don't even know the administration blocked investigations.

But one thing is certain, this action HAS changed the political landscape in a big way and there WILL be unforeseen ramifications for some time to come... :mad3:

Hiram
09-08-2008, 10:20 PM
Seekntruth...on the right track. Now the question we all have to be asking ourselves is WHY?? What did the whole operation accomplish?

Who exposed themselves...the US or Russia? Who surprised the other?

What is the ultimate goal of goading Georgia into attacking S.O.?? Russia wiped the floor with the Georgian Forces....exactly as we knew they would. So the actual attack was never meant to be successful.....so what then?

So was it a distraction? Was it to preoccupy Russian forces whilst we did something else? Was it an overt sabatoge of Isreal's plans to launch an attack from Georgian airbases?

This rabbit hole runs deeeeeeep. Much deeper than a silly gas pipeline.

Steve_G
09-08-2008, 11:12 PM
The whole affair has been designed to portray Russia as The Enemy in western minds, at least in part.

The USA sells advanced arms to Georgia, sends in military advisors to train them, then gives the puppet president a nudge and off he goes.

The Georgians start by attacking Russian peacekeepers, who have been in SO for 15 years as part of a bi-lateral agreement between Russia and Georgia. They also start shelling the SO capitol indiscriminately.

Russia pushes back- hard. Meanwhile the western media conveniently overlook the blatant provocation (as they so often do with the Israeli/Palestinian conflict) and start portraying Russia as the cold war devil reborn.

Saakashvili runs around in front of the cameras wringing his hands and looking bewildered and shocked in the greatest display of over-acting since Gwyneth Paltrow's Oscar acceptance speech.

Bush, Brown et al immediately condemn the Russian 'invasion' of a soveriegn nation, and the western media again conveniently overlook the staggering hypocrisy of such statements from men who led their nations to war based on deliberate lies about Iraq's WMD capabilities.

They want WWIII, and you can't have a war without an enemy. The New World Order agenda rolls on, and at this moment they are creating the chaos that the order will arise from. Ordo ab chao.


I'm sure there's a lot more going on behind the scenes but the above is a good place to start.

Same s**t different day. :insane:

conniec818
09-09-2008, 01:53 AM
sounds like a whole lot of B.S. from both sides

that about rounds it up...lol...:naughty:

Zarathustra
09-11-2008, 06:12 PM
I will simply quote my grandmother - "That is the pot calling the kettle black"