Alex Collier Contactee ... Message from the Andromedans

[peaceandlove]

I posted this in another thread (Whistleblower Testimony) and then realized it might get lost there.

When I listened to Alex Collier's 5/18/2008 1/7 video posted on youtube:

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YouTube - UFO Contactee Alex Collier 1/7 (Hawaii 2008)
(Partial transcription starts at minute 3:00 of part 3/7.)

back in May, I transcribed part of it so I could remind myself and share with others:

More on Alex Collier at: http://stclairzone.ning.com/forum/topics/2347024:Topic:2364

Please enjoy...

MESSAGE FROM THE ANDROMEDANS

Alex says:
"We're already who we (Earthlings) need to be; it's just a question of remembering."

"And in that remembering, it's about letting go, of what we would be perceive as mistakes, of regrets."

He asked Vissaeus ~ Andromedan:
"What's going to happen to us? What is it that you want me to do?"

Vissaeus answers:
"This is how we foresee who you all become."

"Responsible freedom of self-determination becoming truly self-confident and free. To unconditionally be responsible for yourself without being coerced by some other authority."

"The love that you withhold is the pain that you carry lifetime after lifetime."

"In being consciously aware of not choosing to withhold love is an amazing feat and it is not an easy one either."

Alex Collier comments:
"It doesn't always mean that I make the best choices or the right choices."

Vissaeus continues:
"The most necessary action for all of your Terraview races who are aware is to do whatever you are capable of to (eliminate) illuminate your degenerated societies."

(When I first transcribed this I thought he said eliminate and now, listening to it again recently, I think he said illuminate...minute 6:18 of 4/7)

"Consciousness is your scale, it always provides balance, which does not ever fail. It speaks to those who listen and tells them what to do and what not to do. Not to one or all beings who choose to be evolved. The administrators of your government are responsible for professional order, but not your moral codes of order."

"The key to your happiness Terrans is in the hands of your own consciousness. We have perceived that you Terrans have arranged your lives not according to yourselves, but according to others."

"Your disappointments are due to this fact. This kind of conduct of yours is what is limiting your races. Each one of you is a free soul, a free consciousness. No one is the servant or slave of anyone else. Though the hidden ones will trick you to believe otherwise. Mutual respect is imperative for a healed planet and race. Our help is being extended to you if you so want it . Because of your genetic lineages to our races we would like to be there with you during your difficult times. Today your planet and your race destroys itself in ignorance."

"The goal is to recover the genuine human beings lost deep within yourselves."

"And try to always be at one with yourself."

Morenae ~ Andromedan: (1998 ~ He makes reference to December 3, 2013 moving into Fifth Density)
"All of us regardless of our form or our dimensional growth, live in a boundless consciousness. It does appear that all things seem to revolve and evolve in cycles."

"Now after the blindness of 5725 years, you and your Terra are about to regain yourselves. It will be such an unprecedented change that it will be difficult for many to grasp their own potential. It is the turning point on your world which none of your planet's forefathers were privileged to ever experience."

Alex explains:
"In Andromeda one of the things that they stress is creating a race of leaders. In that leadership everyone has a responsibility to not only be a leader themselves but to make a leader of everyone else. And in that, everyone moves together. There may be varying different degrees, but everyone moves together. This is something that they have stressed over and over and over again. They have also stressed being as close to nature as possible."

"We are the only planet, that Alex is aware of, that uses currency. In fact, he had an experience where Morenae and Vissaeus had asked him to try to explain to them why we used money or what they referred to as paper with pictures on it."

"I spent a great deal of time in between contacts putting something together for them. I had a contact and had this opportunity to present this information to them."

"As I was presenting it, I was going through it, I had a paper with me that I was reading it off and had little charts that I had carried in my back pack. Of course they already knew this information since they had been watching our history."

"And when it was all over."

Morenae says:
"Thank you very much I enjoyed it."

Vissaeus just looked at him and had a very straight face and said:
"I don't understand."

Alex says:
"What don't you understand?"

Vissaeus responds:
"I don't understand why you have to pay to live on a planet you were born on?"

Alex says:
"That haunted me for many years, that statement."

Alex continues:
"How do we unravel that? What do we create in order to drop that paradigm? And how do we create it? Who is going to step up and say you know what, we have fought wars over money, we have fought wars over gold, we have fought wars over this and fought wars over that, We have nearly destroyed the planet. We have destroyed species. We're destroying humanity. And it's all over power, wealth and things like that. How do we move from this paradigm to the next paradigm? How do we do it?"

"I know there are a lot of folks trying, making suggestions, talking to people, sharing their perspectives."

"The extraterrestrial civilizations have given up on the governments of the Earth a long time ago. The only ones that are fully integrating with a lot of the Earth's governments you don't really want to know anyway."

"How do we find our soul again? What does it take to change the essence of a man? Is there a phrase? Is there a mantra? Is there a prayer? Is there an event? What does it take to change the essence of a man or a woman?"

"I do not have the answer but I am asking the question and have been for a long time."

"Many of us have completely lost our way. We know a lot of good people who would do anything for us as friends, but they simply don't have a clue. We want them to be aware of the changes that are coming. You can put all this information in front of them and they're simply going to just dismiss it, because it is too overwhelming to them. They have to take it in little bites and little slices. They just simply don't want to deal with it because they are so overwhelmed just trying to manage a life that already doesn't work. Or, they're not already happy with, because it's all that they know and they're afraid to let it go because they don't have anything else to believe in, just what it is that they do every day."

"In creating a new domain of knowing and asking the question, what is it that we want? It has to be something that everybody can take hold of a piece of."

Alex continues:
"For example, every day there are little things that we could do to begin shifting our consciousness. Every day when we get up, the first thing we should do is be grateful that we're alive to see another day. And just make that acknowledgment...Spirit, thank you."

"Always tell your children that you love them. Every day. Tell them that you're proud of them. Always tell your wife that you love her or your partner that you love him or her. Always be friendly and cordial at the office. When you hear an ambulance drive by just say a blessing. Say I bless whoever that's for and that their highest good is what is achieved. Little things like that."

"When you walk into a room, just say I bless this room. Little things like that make all the difference. Because it's conscious intent that every day when you do things like that, those things are easy to do. What you do is you begin to polarize, you begin to magnetize those spaces with your thoughts. And whatever you magnetize and you put out, it will come back, it will be mirrored back to you. That is why Earth is the boot camp for the soul. It's because that's what it does, it mirrors our sh*t back to us. You know, and the more sh*t...the more sh*t. (laughter) And that's why it's so overwhelming after a while."

"So it's little things. Because these are things I've had to try to do and I struggle to remember them every day. These are little things that I can do. I bless my food and bless my coffee. What you do is just get into a space of blessing everything and it does in fact change the frequency. It will change the people that you work with. It might take a little while. But these are simple things; just little things that you can remember to do every day. At lunch time go for a walk, don't just sit in your cubicle, go outside. If you have to go to the bathroom, don't go right back to your cubicle, go outside make a loop around the building. Give yourself a break, just remember where you are. Don't get stuck in just being so in a rut that you forget. Because it's easy. That's why we're so stuck on Earth."

"The extraterrestrials, the visitations, the psychic phenomena, the paranormal phenomena. All of that stuff is us. It's all happening to us because it is us. These are all reminders of who we are. All we have to do is get out of our own way."

With Peace and Love in Mind,http://i7.tinypic.com/6fqp17t.jpg

[Avid]

Thank you for this :)

[uboslav]

Thanks very much for posting this. Alex does seem like a sincere individual. There is some very interesting information in his book aswell. "defending sacred ground" (http://s.scribd.com/doc/2932627/Alex-Collier-Defending-Sacred-Ground)

[MusicLover]

I don't mean to be a jerk but is there ANY proof to anything he says.There are alot of people talking about stuff but how much of it is true.I thought he was very sincere as well but that still doesn't cut it.A good conman will fool the smartest of people.I am not calling him a conman but I am just curious why people believe him without proof.
Does not a good lie start by believing it yourself??

[Shechaiyah]

I have Collier's 1994 FUNDAMENTAL KNOWLEDGE tape--

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8316692185126189734

which is a historical record.

His site reflects the deceit and perfidy that my site catalogues also.

"The New World Order is an ALIEN AGENDA," struck me as too True to be obvious to those who watching television all the time.


Shech--
Edited to add comments.

[MusicLover]

How is it historical record??I saw this interview and he just seems like a reg nice guy but with NO PROOF!!!Having stuff on a site doesn't make it true.
All I am asking is WHY do people believe someone who just tells them stuff...Can he not get a pic of some sort or anything at all to back up what he is saying.

[sunnyrap]

Not that I don't agree somewhat with your question--I get frustrated to the nines because there never seems to be any pictures of the stuff these contactees talk about--at best, fuzzy, your-guess-is-as-good-as mine shots... However, we accept eyewitness testimony and circumstantial evidence in our courts of law as valid proof, why not in his case?

What I am hearing/seeing more and more is that these more highly advanced beings exist on other planes of energy/dimensions/(insert indecipherable physics quote here), so pictures can't really capture their image, only our consciousness can, if we happened to be tuned into their 'frequency'--probably with their help. This makes a certain amount of sense when you consider that animals can hear sounds we can't, others can see heat/energy signatures that we can't. In fact, our technology and our senses are just geared to our narrow band of frequencies.

I read a passage allegedly transcribed from one of the 'greys' in which it commented that their skin color wasn't really grey, but a color our eyes couldn't see because it was outside the violet-to-yellow band we're aware of and built to see....so the color just registers as 'grey' to our eyes. We'd just have to take its word for it, wouldn't we?

[Mike_Jetson]

Anyone who runs around looking for solid proof wont see it until they experience it. If the solid proof that you want was available then you wouldnt need to go looking as it would become standard truth very quickly

[MusicLover]

good point

[Shechaiyah]

How is it historical record??

I saw this interview and he just seems like a reg nice guy but with NO PROOF!!!Having stuff on a site doesn't make it true. All I am asking is WHY do people believe someone who just tells them stuff...Can he not get a pic of some sort or anything at all to back up what he is saying.

QUERY:
How it is a historical record?

It is a very complete summary of what cooper, hoagland, salla, burisch and the whole ET/UFO community has been telling us for decades.

He does an excellent job of integrating the micro and the macro. He's a good history teacher because he uses summaries frequently to help the listener navigated through such a huge knowledge base.

As a teacher, I'm impressed with his delivery and outline.


Shech--

[spiritual_wanderer]

I watched the q1994 interview with him:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8316692185126189734

and really liked it.

For me, it's not so much having proof of anything. It's more about just listening, and if I feel resonance with it, I take something away. If not, I just move on.

I've never listened to one single person talk of their experiences and said to myself, "Wow, this is it, now I know 100%!" I will probably always have a little doubt, but the possibilities will always remain and I will always keep an open mind.

There must be a reason I am drawn to all this stuff.

[uboslav]

Anyone who runs around looking for solid proof wont see it until they experience it. If the solid proof that you want was available then you wouldnt need to go looking as it would become standard truth very quickly

We are conditioned to accept only things that "science" can prove. It's time for people to start searching for answers within themselves because it is a little bit obvious that we cannot trust the things that have been hammered into our brains by the media, our school systems and our so called authorities.

There is alot more to what is going on than what we are told. What is proof? Is proof when a "teacher", or "expert" or "news anchor" says so? What sort of proof are u people looking for?

People are conditioned to a level that is almost frightening. I truly feel for Alex Collier and thank him for having the courage to stand up against an army of conditioned people and offer his knowledge and experiences.

[MusicLover]

Hoaglund has proof in pics and logic...Cooper was a bit of an embellisher and Salle I don't know of and Burisch I would love to believe but I think in the ufo community there are a third of people with facts a third with no facts and a story and another third that are just plain lying.How can anybody just openly accept what they are told??

[MusicLover]

Now I'll shuddup!!!:original:

[AlexTony]

Thanks for sharing the A.Collier data

[jimbo83478]

Fantastic! Thanks so much for posting this!

[watchZEITGEISTnow]

Alex is awesome.

I love the guy, and love his talks.

:)

Z

[Indiana jones]

Alex collier letters from andromeda was published in nexus magazine ten years ago.Great read but none of the information presented came to light.He gave time dates which came and passed another false dawn.Maybe were more brainwashed then the masses?Tired of the ******** the regressive steped into our timeline without asking 99% of the population so why can't the light beings step in to balance the books?

[watchZEITGEISTnow]

Alex collier letters from andromeda was published in nexus magazine ten years ago.Great read but none of the information presented came to light.He gave time dates which came and passed another false dawn.Maybe were more brainwashed then the masses?Tired of the ******** the regressive steped into our timeline without asking 99% of the population so why can't the light beings step in to balance the books?

That's exactly what i think... I mean if we were already manipulated by ETs in a negative way, I would have thought the powers of love would thrown some more balance our way via some 'good guy ET' intervention. But then again maybe this will happen, afterall, things seem to be getting a bit nuts lately. I think crisis calls for humour by the way. That's my tip on how to survive the madness that may or may not happen.

But yeah A's seem to keep pretty quiet compared to the P's and the real Z's (not the garden cloned variety). I also imagine there are more ET races out there that have probably been here, but have yet to be discovered. Perhaps they are a bit afraid of us, I mean we don't exactly have a great record for loving our planet, let alone ourselves. Here's hoping.

Z

[peaceandlove]

All I am asking is WHY do people believe someone who just tells them stuff...Can he not get a pic of some sort or anything at all to back up what he is saying?

John Hogue was a guest on Coast to Coast AM with George Noory last night.
After viewing your post and reading his prediction here, I understood.


THE AGE OF BELIEF ENDS


PREDICTION: "After 2008, it will not be enough merely to "believe" something. People will feel the first stirrings of wanting "to know" something is true, first hand, about themselves, their world, and the mystery of existence. They do this guided by feeling the new dispensation of history that is the coming Aquarian Age."



More Predictions Posted @ Project Avalon Forum, Visions of the Future.

Also http://hogueprophecy.com/predictions2008.htm

Interesting topic on left side of his webpage: Who is MABUS?




:band: Pleeeased to meet you :band:can you guess my naaime?:band:

[Elephant Man]

John Hogue was a guest on Coast to Coast AM with George Noory last night.
After viewing your post and reading his prediction here, I understood.


THE AGE OF BELIEF ENDS


PREDICTION: "After 2008, it will not be enough merely to "believe" something. People will feel the first stirrings of wanting "to know" something is true, first hand, about themselves, their world, and the mystery of existence. They do this guided by feeling the new dispensation of history that is the coming Aquarian Age."



More Predictions Posted @ Project Avalon Forum, Visions of the Future.

Also hogueprophecy.com/predictions2008.htm

Interesting topic on left side of his webpage: Who is MABUS?




:band: Pleeeased to meet you :band:can you guess my naaime?:band:



Nice :original:

[Northern Boy]

I don't mean to be a jerk but is there ANY proof to anything he says.There are alot of people talking about stuff but how much of it is true.I thought he was very sincere as well but that still doesn't cut it.A good conman will fool the smartest of people.I am not calling him a conman but I am just curious why people believe him without proof.
Does not a good lie start by believing it yourself??

When I first got into this I was researching the Twin Towers and i watched his lectures on You tube and it was his lectures that caused me to really open my eyes if I hadn`t seen any of his stuff I don`t think I`d be writing or having anything to do with this stuff right now

[piers2210]

Perfect words that you have transcribed..glad to have read it...after years of working at the sharp end of industry where if you mention any of this stuff you'd have people trying to get you admitted to the funny farm or at minimum an interview with head of human resources...its time for people to understand that what is transcribed here is the way we should live. I left industry because i couldn't take the energy produced in a building by so many lost souls.

[Northern Boy]

This is the latest from Alex collier an interview from April 9th 2009
It seems the message has changed some what since his last interview


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UiOYMsUTNfY



Number 1 of 12

[feeler]

When I first got into this I was researching the Twin Towers and i watched his lectures on You tube and it was his lectures that caused me to really open my eyes if I hadn`t seen any of his stuff I don`t think I`d be writing or having anything to do with this stuff right now

Indeed. Alex's anticipation was verified. In regards to Alex's anticipated natural disaster, years later, we learn from Nassim Haramein that "We shouldn't be here. We were given a second chance. We're floating in grace and 'somebody' is taking care of us" - in referring to the absence of the natural disaster and the visit of the Nibiru comet.

Watch Alex Collier - Moon & Mars Lecture part 11 on YouTube and at 1:30, he predicted (back in 1/ 8/1996) that:
New York City will be "in ash", sacrificed by 2000. The power that be already made the decision. "An offering." "Man-made." "An act of terrorism will turn it to ash."
*Here's the link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YHC8InRZqKI
Start at 1:41 in the video.

Thank you thank you thank you to Alex Collier.

-feeler

[Northern Boy]

he explained that there has been an intervention about some of these things that were going to happen in his new Interview

[Lionhawk]

Greetings everyone!

"Houston, we have a problem." It's a simple problem. One that has plagued this Planet for eons. The problem is common sense. The inability or the refusal to apply it. It always comes down to choice.

Everywhere I go, there is this common theme where the searcher is demanding proof of the material being presented. The searcher finds himself in a paradox. A paradox in which is a trap that can create so much confusion, disharmony, fear, etc...... The searcher lashes out trying to free himself from the bonds that are now in control of him. It is a natural phenomena to watch. Kind of like a trapped animal trying to free himself out of the trap. When you approach the animal he goes nuts. He will try to bite you, scream at you and so on. I have seen this countless times and it seems that it all could have been prevented if common sense was applied in the first place.

What I usually find is that some basic principles have usually been over looked or have been programmed into an individual. Usually the individual doesn't know it till it is to late. So what I am going to do here is to try in the simplest way that I can to explain it. Mind you that what I am about to explain is something I had to learn because I was one of those who found himself in that paradox. Guilty as charged.

There a two basic types of information we experience. First hand and second hand. It's that simple. The first hand is about knowing. The second hand is about believing. Big difference. Again it comes down to choice as to how we engage that and what we want to learn.

Knowing is first hand because you experience it. It is also vertical in dynamics as it also connects to the source. When you experience something you experience it on all of your levels. All of your soul in other words. Everything from the emotional body to even thought.
Your being. When you know, you know. It isn't an argument. Knowing is also the process of proving it. To know is to have proven it in other words. Knowing comes from within.

Now we will go south from there and talk about believing. Believing is horizontal in nature and isn't connected to the source. Anything outside of your being is second hand. All media formats which include radio, TV, books, Internet, gossip, or if anyone says anything to you. Which includes this posting. Beliefs are not proven. They are speculations of the mind. Or maybe your hopes from your emotional body. Not from your heart because your heart already knows. Beliefs are the fly paper. The very fly paper that traps you. Beliefs are also used as a tool to create fear, doubts, confusion, wars, death, etc..... Just look at history and you will see that countless have died in the name of some belief. The darkside uses beliefs to control us. They use our school system to program us to seek information outside of ourselves. It isn't about what great things you think your are learning. It is about making sure that you seek outside yourself so that you never realize that the real truth is already within you. So when you see a top A+ student, remember that he is very proficient at seeking information outside of himself. Also consider that the current knowledge is at base level 0. So the knowledge here isn't where it really should be, because of the level. The darkside don't care about that. For them it is about how they can control you and keep you stupid and dis-empowered so they can also feed off the negative energies that you give off when you are in that believing mode. The darkside have been preying upon us in so many ways.

Not to be a bible thump er here, but Jesus said to find the truth one must go within and not without. Without, being the outside of self. Why have so many ignored something so simple and true? The ignorance is what is going to kill us all if we don't reverse our thinking processes and go within and discover who we really are, and empower ourselves.

You want proof, then go within and find it. If you are to lazy and don't want to do some work to reverse what has been programmed into you, then continue in ignorance, because that is the bottom line. This is where one must take complete responsibility for one's self. Please don't take this personal either as it isn't about your emotional body. I'm just stating what I have learned but everyone must not believe a thing I have said. Do it in the first hand. Know yourself by going within. Prove it and get off the horse you call Entitlement.

Anyone who is a whistle blower can only share what their path has been and what experiences they have endured. As with myself, I don't have to prove anything. Nor should anyone else have to. If you connect yourself within, you will discover that all knowledge is shared in the Template of One. You can tap into this knowledge and it is freely given unconditionally. It is already there within you. So why does one seek outside himself for the truth or a truth? Maybe he finds something he may learn through the eyes of others, a possibility. But when you discover that possibility and don't prove it to yourself, what are you doing? Just complaining because you think your are entitled to it. When you skip over the basic lessons, what do you expect? Perfection? Never going to happen and all one ends up doing is compromising himself. Just like the animal in the trap.

If one is on the path of believing, he will have to constantly repeat his incarnations. That is what it means to wake up, to realize what you are doing to yourself and all of your years and to finally realize you have to reverse that process. Just look behind you and see all the baggage one has created for themselves because they subscribed to a belief. Plus all the karmic debt added to that by doing everything in the second hand. Do I have to mention common sense at this point? In what ever we choose to do with these basics is something that comes down to choice. You choose what serves your higher self, but at least have some guts to prove it to yourself in the first hand. Everything else is just a compromise.

Mind you I am not a bible thump er, but Jesus also said to test all things. Meaning to prove it out yourself. What you will find is that some of the most powerful things that are ever said only have a few words in a sentence. Another saying I enjoy is the one where knowledge is at one single point and only the foolish multiply it. In other words it is really simple. We only complicate it.

I hope no one took offense to this posting, as I am only sharing what I know and I can only hope it helps shed some light on why this type of debunking really has no valid foundation. Simply because it is based in the second hand. I also find such tactics used by various agencies. Not saying anyone here is from one of those, because it no longer matters if you are or not. I'm sure we all have run across it somewhere though. But they also use this tactic to keep you stuck on the fly paper.

Enough said and God Bless!

[orthodoxymoron]

Another great post Lionhawk. What do you think about Alex Collier? Is what he says about the reptilians correct?

I don't want to believe. I want to know. However...sometimes one has to believe it...in order to see it. Sometimes one has to visualize a hypothesis...and then create a body of knowledge based upon facts and evidence...which turns faith into sight.

I believe...that I'll have another drink. Actually...I've never had a drink in my life...but I've promised to have a drink with Lucifer...after he or she retires.

[14 Chakras]

Ortho (or anyone else),

What does Alex Collier say about the reptilians and greys? Can you summarize? (just curious)

[TRANCOSO]

I like Alex Collier. He seems sincere & has a positive 'vibe'. Also he's not an ego tripper.

[mntruthseeker]

Lionhawk,


I do agree we have to go within but in order to learn the truth.

If we didn't listen to Alex or Jordan or others, how else would these show up as thoughts to us ?


When I look at a chair, I see a chair and the thought enters my mind, but I could look all day and never see what they did or know how to begin.

[Lionhawk]

What do I think about Alex Collier?

He knows a lot more than he has revealed. I didn't know this guy was even out there as I have been so busy doing the do, along with staying away from second hand information. It wasn't till a few months ago when I went with a gut response to check out a link posted by another that led to the Disclosure Project of 2001. That was 3 months ago. Since then I have watched many interviews produced by Bill and Kerry. That also led to others such as Alex Collier and others in the field.

Alex is not a fraud from everything I have seen. His paradox is one where he is constantly trying to balance out the love for his family vs. his work to get the word out. It is very real as to the threats he is faced with everyday. I am just using him as an example as many others out there face these threats as well. Another thing that stands out is the fact what many of these light warriors do not charge or exploit money. That is key with anything spiritual. The ones who understand that the spirit is priceless are the ones who "GET IT." Even the ones who write books, for the most part would love to just give it away, but there are costs to cover for publishing and materials. As long as it is within reason. You still also have to go out and prove this material for yourself no matter what you paid for it.
I have met only a few who do not charge for services rendered.

The persecution is another topic that I would like to touch on. There is no need for it. It only shows the character of the person persecuting. Especially the strong willed skeptic. Even when you show the proof, they don't want to admit they were wrong in their assessments. The best result one could ever hope for with a skeptic is that he doesn't disbelieve you. Here we again find ourselves tangled in that second hand again. But the truth is that you have proven it for yourself and that is what matters. It isn't about proving it to others. You present the information and it is up to the ones subscribing to it, to prove it to themselves. There is nothing wrong with having a skeptical attitude. But it is another to not go out and prove it as well. If you are a believer, you surely will be manipulated. I can't speak for anyone here, but for me, I figure I have the right to know the truth and at the same time I am willing to prove it. Another thing that is very tricky here is when you present your work or material to the masses. More often than not because of awareness issues, you open the door for any comment under the Sun. It is where you have increased your awareness and realize how little you actually do know. At the same time there is room for the growth of that knowledge because your awareness has expanded. It is infinite. Even God will tell you, that he doesn't know it all. That is profound when you think about that.

Another issue that many seem to get to focused on is the dates of when certain events will occur. Alex gave some dates in his presentations. He was also persecuted for those dates. The events didn't exactly land on those dates or didn't happen. How many times have we seen this across the board? Expectations run very high with this. But what it comes down to is what is called the Field of Potential. A field consisting of all the probabilities, possibilities, ideas, thoughts, and so on. It works like a cloud in the sky. The cloud gathers energy in the form of moisture. The cloud expands, changes shape, gets heavier. When it has reached a certain potential, the manifestation of rain occurs. This is simplistic but the mechanics work the same way with this field. The time when this occurs is never fixed. The time being the date. Other factors are also influencing this, such as wind, temperature, etc. So when Alex or any one presents a date, it is at that time he says it, that the field of potential has been measured. That measurement can change in the very next second. The longer the time period the more of the fluctuations will be manifested or not. Such as watching a cloud disappearing before our eyes. Sometimes it doesn't happen and that is across the board. LA is still there, but one must also realize that the potential for this to occur is still probable. It just hasn't happened yet. Now stand back and look at this again. As humans we often become to focused onto something. Anything.

It is with a great hope that we can do anything we can to help anyone sticking their necks out to expose the truth. We must break the chains that bind us.

On the issue of what Alex speaks on as far as the Reptilians, is a scary subject. Alex has held his breathe and has held information back. I don't blame him there either. These creatures are our rulers and I know Alex was debating with himself as to reveal any of it to the public because he knew how people might react to it. In other words people aren't ready to handle the truth because it isn't pretty. There is nothing here that is sugar coated. As to what he has revealed, it wasn't the complete picture but he left enough clues to bring it to your awareness that this has been going on right under our noses all this time.

Did you take the red pill or the blue one?

Now based on one of the clues he spoke of, I have been personally investigating the rumor of these things being dumped here in our Galaxy. I am calling it a rumor since I haven't proven this as of yet. But because of the clue he left behind, I have decided to get to the bottom of it. Let's just say for the sake of argument that what Alex says is correct about these things being dumped here in our Galaxy from another Galaxy through the black hole in our Milky Way. Then what happened next was the Great Galactic War that lasted for about 700,000 years. In this war were two major factions. This got my attention as I know I was in this war in a past incarnation. I'm just scratching the surface here. To top it off, one of my friends that I have been working with, was also in this war. She was a Draconian Fleet Commander. My enemy in this war. Now her and I are working on this right now in cooperation. I would like to skip the details as to our association but she turned and came to the light side. This also ties into Billy Meier. For that matter it is all interconnected but we have only seen a glimpse of this picture. Let me give you some missing pieces.

In 2003, I was astrally brought before Billy Meier. I was to be tested. Billy was there to just make sure that my human side didn't react in a freak out way. Billy also had some company. 3 beings who I had assumed to be Plejaren. These beings as it turned out were not Plejaren but were working with them. I know what a Plejaren looks like and these 3 didn't even come close to the description of a Plejaren. They were a likeness to goblins. Short around 4.5' with pure black robes accompanied with hoods. I never saw any of their faces. But they weren't evil. That much I knew. I was in a room that was very simple with openings that accessed this room. Simple chairs and table were the main furniture in the room where I was in. These goblins stayed in the shadows as there was only a dim light in the room. The test was to see of I could reveal the Devine Spark within me. When I revealed it, an intense light burst forth. It was at that moment that these goblins ducked for cover into the other rooms that accessed the room I was in. I was then informed that they would present the results to a council where the Plejaren home world was located. There was no future date as a return for a follow up. As they were about to return me, they also presented me with a gift. The gift that was given to me was for validation purposes of this experience. This being said, I haven't seen or heard from them since. Now here it is about a month ago, and my friend tells me that she was working with one of her friends on a Plejaren presentation and points out these shadows in the background of the video they taped. She asks me if I could see them as she could. Well, I had to tell her the story with Billy and she concurred as to my descriptions.

Here is what I possibly think in the now. That these goblins are the gatekeepers to the black hole. They are like agents. The energy signatures line up to this. Now think about when Alex speaks about these Reptoids being dumped here in our Galaxy. Who dumped them here is what I want to know? Who on the other side of this black hole had the power to do that? These things they dumped here are so formidable. What right did they have to do that? How did they do that? Does karma come into play here as well? What else are they dumping here? If you have any physic abilities, feel free to join me in getting to the bottom of this. Also I have speculated that the time and date of the 2012 is important. Does it mean that the black hole will reverse it's polarity and something else might come through. Is that why these Reptoids are winding things up on our Planet because they fear something far greater is coming. Like maybe their jailers from the other side of the black hole? Right now my friend and I are the only ones I know that have discovered these goblins are going to try to establish contact with them to get the scoop on what is happening. We know that they are working with the Plejarens. Who else are they working with? What does Alex know about this or the Andromeda society that they haven't told us.
We do need help with this issue as I see it. We are out gunned, out manned, out smarted, and so on. In around Spring of 2004, a ship was dispatched to Antarctica. What was on this ship was an army of these Reptilians. Their version of a Navy Seal type. They have brought their own supplies. Does this mean we are also on the brink of another galactic war? Another thought here is why do you think the other good ETs out there are not having an open dialogue on a Planetary scale, sneaking around helping us out in the shadows. I will tell you why. Some of them are fearful of these creatures as well and know full well from their living memory what that 700,000 year war was like.

In 2005 a gathering of a few light warriors performed their duty. That gathering disrupted the darkside's agenda big time. It was quiet for about 6 months but we knew they were regrouping. This gathering only bought us some time. There was also no loss of life on our side. That was a switch for a change. But since then, the dark have pulled all the stops are squeezing the life out of everything they have attached themselves to. Their ranks and hierarchy have been rearranged. Lucifer is no more, but then again he was replaced by another dark one who now leads his minions. What's the difference?

Namaste'

[peaceandlove]

After listening to Alex Collier speak at Awake and Aware I would like to add his inspiring words...

(Regarding: How Alex was mentored by the Andromedans. ~ Kerry Question 1:11:00)
VIDEO: http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/2197767

ALEX COLLIER ~ Awake and Aware Excerpt:

1:12:00 "Know that my mentoring has gone on with times that I have literally been kicking and screaming. The biggest portion of the mentoring has really been why do I believe things and what is it that I believe?

So a lot of times the question will come...I will ask question or I will have a perspective and they will immediately come back and say, "Well why do you believe that?, What is your process of believing that's true?. And for example religions, it was one of the biggest things I had when I was a kid and it was an issue that my father brought up too, when I told him about this.

1:13:00 We have formed perceptions of reality that are not based in reality, they're only based on perception. Now in accepting that perception as reality, what we do is, we reinforce that illusion and that's what we have done on Earth, is we have reinforced the illusion about who we are...about our strengths, about our power, about how we're supposed to live on the Earth, about being stuck on the Earth, about how we are supposed to raise our children. We have bought into these perceptions.

The hardest things were to really look at myself and this is really where the work is...and its always with yourself.

1:14:00 The most difficult work has probably been for me in the last 5, 6, 7 years. Questions like...well, Who am I?. They don't answer it, they don't say well you're this and this and this, but what they do is they have guided me to who it is that I want to be.

The first was understanding that you are not just a physicality. That's the first thing to grasp, you are not a physicality.

And just like some of the speakers said yesterday, I believe it was Mr. Green who talked about...you know, there is a soul and it's 22 grams, I think they measured that in body weight. That is really who you are; and connecting to who that person really is, what that essence is all about, you begin to realize..."Oh My God", I am not at all who I thought I was.

And I'm purposefully being vague because I don't necessarily want to tell you who I am, other than to say that who I am here on Earth in this lifetime and the mistakes that I have made, on some level I knew better not to make those mistakes...OK, but we do, we do, we experiment, we create.

As far as the meaning of life, they would never tell me what that was exactly. All they would say is you are creating your own adventure. OK, so again the responsiblity is on me.

1:16:00 As far as mentoring, to want to talk and to speak...the idea was to keep it very, very simple, to just share their perspectives and let the people do whatever they want with it. And it doesn't matter whether anyone believes it or not. People know truth, people know bull shif (sp? lol).

Eventually it all comes to the surface...it has too. Because all of you are just like me. Because you all know better, you know what's real. It's just a question of detaching ourselves from our addiction to physicality. And that's what it is now, it's become an addiction, because the focus is on the physicality. We're not objective anymore. As a soul, when you have an out of body experience and you detach from your physical form, you are completely objective. You have a 360 degree peripheral view OK, and that's because you're objective, you're not addicted, you're not stuck in the body or addicted to the body.

And that's the part they have been working on with me the most, is to actually feel and know that essence of myself as much as possible. So when we talk about mentoring, the mentoring is to get ourselves from where we are here, to self-empowerment. That's what I'm talking about. Once we have achieved self-empowerment, and it won't take long folks, it really won't take long...we will know exactly what to do because we are spiritual beings, we are eternal, there is no age to us.

1:18:00 And that's not a metaphysical blind, that is a reality.

So the mentoring is to help us move out of our addiction to physicality into full power as spiritual beings. And it isn't full of dogma, it isn't any of that.

It's all about introspection.

Voluntary introspection.

That's what it is!"



Transcription is tricky. The punctuation is probably not properly placed per my perception! :naughty:

[Lionhawk]

At least I did receive the information last night that I have waited on for almost a month. It concerns these Black Hole agents that I have run into.

This is pertinent to what Alex as saying about the Reptilians being dumped here. These agents as I refer to them, are also what is term as gate keepers.

My contact stated this last night:

"This is also my best friend that just was here and she and I talked about our goblin friends. It was her gathering where they showed up and she remembered them well. We both put our heads together, compared notes, and we came up with the following:

These beings are gate (black hole included) keepers. They are the ushers of information and are guardians to what is brought through. What’s strange is that it’s not all information. They are mostly concerned and in charge of geometric, scientific, shift and mathematical matters. I agree with you that they are of 11th dimension/density and I am going to stand by my hypothesis that they are actually ‘here but not here’. They only see through matters of knowledge and information to keep record and monitor what is being brought out. As far as I can tell, they are not ones who have direct involvement with downloaded information to people. Again, they are more like management and at the same time just general ‘keepers’ and record holders. I have a sneaky suspicion that they are going to be showing up more and more. I really hope the white lighters don’t do a witch hunt on them (that would suck). Hope everything I wrote makes sense. "

I am just sharing this. It only confirms my suspicions at this point. I am attempting to make contact and I know they have received that request. Hopefully more will come through in the future.

The gathering that her best friend had was like a Plejaren seminar, I think. These Goblin types were present at that seminar. Now maybe some of you can use your abilities to see them as well. I will hunt down a video I watched recently and post it with the purposes of you the viewer, to see if you can pick up on this.

YouTube - P'taah Channeling like Bashar Great Part2

I am not a subscriber to a lot of this stuff, but these Goblin types are in this video. See if you can pick up on it.

What I have surmised is that they have a lot of answers. My friend who was only there to assist her friend with this gathering stated that they came and were there for about 30 minutes. Where upon her friend started talking about scientific material from who knows where.

She states, "From what I remember, the session was going to be about something and it didn't work out that way at all. My friend was up there, had some information downloaded like 30min before the session began, and started talking about scientific stuff from who-knows where. The information was VERY sophisticated and I managed to wrap my brain around it but most did not. It was during this time that the beings were there. They were highly highly intelligent and their knowledge of the universe was very old and expansive. Funny thing is, I can't remember what was taught!

I never got a negative energy on them, just 'heavy'. Try telling a room full of white lighters that just because a being is 'dark' and 'heavy' it doesn't mean that they are 'bad'! Anyway, I had always speculated that they were either from one of the dimensions that could not possess physical vehicles (low possibility) or that they were from either a dimension that weren't supposed to be able to be here at all (like 10, 11, or 12 - more like 10). This seems more possible just because of the ancient information they have, the way they were teaching it, and the times we are in. Also, it would make sense that they came from a 'black hole' in that respect considering I think that would be a portal available to them.

I get this feeling that all the ET factions that are working with them have a huge amount of respect and almost are indebted to them (like an elder thing). Not sure if they dumped the reptoids here or not, going to have to look into that a little more. I think that the Plejaren connection has something to do with this but I also think that it's mainly because they are the race that was chosen by the GF to lead some stuff. I really think 'we' are approaching this from a different angle because we know that it is going to require reviewing and acknowledging even race factions that have not always been 'positive' for a shift to occur. It really will take a team effort... I will let you know if anything else comes along :) "

Make of it what you will, but something is up with that. This also just adds to the complexity of it all. Another variable.

Namaste'

[Noela]

I liked what Alex said about blessing things as we go along. Blessing
rooms, blessing our food.

I bless my food, and I've felt pretty darn stupid! What on earth does
this do, sort of thing. Particular when it comes to my favourite -
cappachino and cake - now blessing that does seem stupid!

So good to know Alex blesses his coffee - good to have this
confirmation.

It would be nice to think others would take this up. I guess
it does something for us, anyway. Brings gratitude, maybe.

I believe it could change vibrations, if enough people adopted it
in enough situations. Such a simple little thing.

[Stargazer1965]

QUERY:
How it is a historical record?

It is a very complete summary of what cooper, hoagland, salla, burisch and the whole ET/UFO community has been telling us for decades.

He does an excellent job of integrating the micro and the macro. He's a good history teacher because he uses summaries frequently to help the listener navigated through such a huge knowledge base.

As a teacher, I'm impressed with his delivery and outline.


Shech--
But he got the point across to you\us.....He served well

[orthodoxymoron]

In 2005 a gathering of a few light warriors performed their duty. That gathering disrupted the darkside's agenda big time. It was quiet for about 6 months but we knew they were regrouping. This gathering only bought us some time. There was also no loss of life on our side. That was a switch for a change. But since then, the dark have pulled all the stops are squeezing the life out of everything they have attached themselves to. Their ranks and hierarchy have been rearranged. Lucifer is no more, but then again he was replaced by another dark one who now leads his minions. What's the difference?



What happened to Lucifer? Was Lucifer running the show up to 2005? Did Lucifer retire? Who is in charge now? Was Lucifer replaced by Satan? Did Lucifer fake his or her demise or demotion? This being is (was?) a master of deception. I tend to think that Lucifer is alive and well...and living in Orange County or Pine Gap. My question is 'who does Lucifer (or whoever is currently in charge of Earth) get their orders from?' Or is this being the kingpin?

Knowing who owns what in this Solar System...and what the power structure is for both the light and dark sides...is very important. Most of us don't know or don't seem to care about who's who in the heirarchical zoo...but this should really be nailed down...I think. Avalon people care...but do we know?

It sounds like you know what you're doing...but it sounds like you are involved in some frightening and dangerous projects. Be careful.

Are we going to be able to negotiate the removal of all dark beings (human and non-human) from this Solar System? Are we going to have to fight a Battle of Armageddon? How about a Solar System Exorcism? Who you gonna call?YouTube - Ghostbusters (Trailer 1984)

[Fredkc]

Music Lover;
"I feel your pain." http://fredsitelive.com/fun/rofl.gif
I go back and forth on such matters myself. Said this before but, I am sick to death of investigating "sure things" that turn out to be nothing more than fuzzy dots. When it comes with windows that have windhield wipers, and lil folk peeking out, or a believable photo thereof, then I'll say I've seen one.

I also have no more time for the likes of Alex (buy my video!) Jones, who spend their time (buy my book!) scaring people to death with (buy my DVD!) doom gloom and despair (buy my stuff!) while never offering a plan, (buy my other stuff!) or solutions. "Clearly they have their reward." ;)

Which brings me to a third clump.
There is years and years of reading available on the Net, that starts with, "I know a guy who was told by a reliable source, whose best friend used to live with a woman who..."... gimme a break! This kind of "recombinant data" is available in such mass quantities, that now I just take the grain of salt, and toss the data. It saves time.

Alex Collier;
AC's stuff falls into what I'd call "2nd hand subjective".

All you really have, in the end, is your own BS-Meter. To this all I can add, for myself, is to compare it against the several kinds of 1st person subjective experiences I've had over the years, and how I'd react.

I first watched Collier last week on the Camelot video. I came away with these:


He doesn't appear to be the "hero" in his story.
He isn't looking for "followers".
He'd rather not be there.
I don't think he's selling something.
He appears as, or more deeply moved by what he has to say then anyone else.
He is talking about solutions which do not require him, and "do no harm".

I come away with the strong impression that he does believe whoever it is he's talking to. When I think of trying to relate to people the events of the 1st person subjective things I've been part of, I think I'd come across about the same.

And so I'm left with that final leap. All I can say is when I consider the information which relates to our situation, and weigh it against my own beliefs, I think he is on track. And very brave.

Fred

[Fredkc]

To this I'd like to add this Collier quote from another thread...'Ladies and Gentlemen, in closing I have given what I can. It’s out there and that's what I agreed to do. You can choose to read it, listen to it, and research it or not. The information is the Andromedans' prospective. That's it. I would of course always encourage you to research the field. There is a wealth of information out there by many great dedicated researchers and speakers. NO ONE HAS THE WHOLE STORY. But it’s for you to discover who you are and your place in this drama of conscious and spiritual evolution. Be your own savior. Take the pressure off of GOD and help yourself. The worst case is you will be an inspiration and leader to others, to invest in themselves and see themselves as they truly are: genetic royalty and incredible beings.'
Does this sound like someone trying to amass wealth, or build a cult, to anyone else?
I sure don't see it.

When all else fails: Defending Sacred Ground (http://www.exopolitics.org/collier-dsg1.pdf).

[orthodoxymoron]

Ortho (or anyone else),

What does Alex Collier say about the reptilians and greys? Can you summarize? (just curious)

That malevolent reptilians from another universe were dumped into this universe by someone a long, long time ago...and that humans and reptilians have been fighting with each other for millions (billions?) of years...and that the greys were caught in the middle...and are presently controlled by the reptilians. Draco > Orion Group > Greys > Us seems to be the chain of command. Reptilians live hundreds of miles beneath the Earth's surface...and eat humans (especially children). The Greys do the dirty work for the Reps.

I'm leaving out a lot...and I probably got it wrong...but that's a thumbnail sketch of what Collier says about the Reps and Greys. Help! Other people say what your impression is.

[eleni]

That is what my 5 year old (abductee) says. He is visited by reptoids and although at first he was very traumatized he now calls them his friends.

[orthodoxymoron]

Wow! That's amazing and frightening to me. I hope all is well presently and in the future for the little one. I think this whole subject is very creepy. I think it's very dangerous. I have absolutely no problem with the idea of dealing with non-humans who are absolutely benign and benevolent...but how do we absolutely determine this? The sneaking around and abducting, etc, etc. really has me suspicious and worried.

What if the removal of all hard-core malevolents (human and non-human) from Earth, at least, would constitute 'ascension' for those who were 'left behind'? The alien-mentoring idea has me concerned. Does this mean that Alex thinks we have lost...and that we should cooperate with the aliens? Is this the thinking of Steven Greer? I don't mean to sound paranoid...but I am paranoid. This is the time to ask the hard questions...not later...when it might be too late. Might we be facing a Cosmic Enron...where everything is represented as being fine...when the true state of affairs is just the opposite?

[Jacqui D]

There are good and bad in all races i have had dealings with reps not pleasant ones either, but what i came to understand was that all creator beings have a soul base. Now i know my feelings on reps and struggled with that explanation that reps could have souls could be compassionate when we have been told that the reps are cold and loveless creatures, so i can not say.
But what i can say is there are a lot of humans out there who are also cold loveless. have all these humans been taken over or or they just bad humans!
It's hard to send love to these heartless ones but this is what i try to do today.

I have also been looking at crystals and how we all resonate with these crystals the body being made up of mostly water becoming the life force.
Interesting what Alex said about the coffee, i now thank the water and send it love what we drink and bathe in, ultimately taking in loving thoughts will nurture you your body and mind.


http://www.viddler.com/explore/ConspiracyFact/videos/73/
Sorry i strayed a little from the original thread here.

[Lionhawk]

I don't mean to be a jerk but is there ANY proof to anything he says.There are alot of people talking about stuff but how much of it is true.I thought he was very sincere as well but that still doesn't cut it.A good conman will fool the smartest of people.I am not calling him a conman but I am just curious why people believe him without proof.
Does not a good lie start by believing it yourself??


Dr. Steven Greer also made the statement that you can't prove a negative. But also remember the polar opposite to this is that you can't disprove a negative either. Upon watching that interview with Bill & Kerry, I came to realize that Dr. Greer was not telling it the way it is because he didn't want to attract that polar opposite to his work. I'll bet you my life that if you pulled him off to the side, he would have acknowledged them bad ETs. So when Kerry tried to call him on that, she ended up taking a lot of flack over that. I had to watch that interview twice. It was also the first interview that I had watched with Bill & Kerry and I to thought she was doing a dis service. I had it all wrong. I had it backwards. She was trying to get at the truth and Dr. Greer felt he was being attacked by her comment that she thought it was sinister and a dis service to those who wanted the truth. I now concur with that and if you watch that interview again, you will see that. But that happens when you are not familiar with these people as you are watching it in the second hand. There is more going on here than just an interview. Also factor in what is not being said and the complexity of these interviews just gets much more complicated.

Why does anyone believe in the first place? It doesn't matter if the material is good or bad. At best it is a theory and you are the one who should go out and prove it for yourself. People do the believing thing because they are to lazy to do the work. It is also a compromise of self when we do this. Beliefs are unproven because they are second hand in nature. I don't know how many times I have stated this through the years. It is a basic principle. Are people that ignorant to not use some common sense and apply basic principles to their lives? It runs rampant. The whole world subscribes to the second hand information and accepts it as the word. Just like the bible, I hear that it is the word of God. It isn't God's word. It is Man's word because man wrote it. It could also be the word of the false Gods in the bible. I can go with that because if you go out and prove it, you'll find this to be so. But don't believe my take on it. It can be proven using the very tool box you came here with. That is first hand in nature.

Alex, I think knows we are screwed because the numbers don't add up as to who is awake vs. the ones who are asleep. The numbers as to those awake, are very few in numbers. Another aspect of that is the fact that many in the New Age movement have given up. Recently in the last 4 years. It has to do with balancing out that field of potential. Which is in the favor of the dark ones at present. They have done an excellent job in the derailing of this movement. Deterring it from achieving that potential to turn the tide. It is estimated that .01 % of 1% of the world population is awake. That equates to 678,000 people across the globe. So that means the rest of the population is subscribing to believing and only 678,000 are subscribing to knowing, which is first hand application at work. Then we wonder why we are so screwed? You can see this expression in Alex's responses and body language. That is something you can not con. The fact of the matter is that we are powerful but will never come to realize it in the second hand. We are so powerful that it wouldn't take a lot of people to transform our Planet into a higher frequency, but there has to be enough of them to cause the potential to manifest. Again the dark are pumping it out and raising havoc on every level now and the number needed to manifest that potential is slipping as I write this. It is no wonder why many have just said the hell with it. I don't know how many times I wanted to just stop, give up, and go fishing, and forget about all this stuff. The persecution also bears down on you. Rejection is a very dangerous weapon.

The key is not to give up. For when you do give up, you also give in and they will win and we will be forever in servitude to the PBTB. By believing, we are submitting to that. It is a choice no matter what is said at this point. It is my opinion that Alex Collier didn't reveal this knowledge of his experiences to dupe the public with a scam. Granted, others have. His information is free to those who are sincerely interested in making a positive impact as they also know that what we are doing is so far from working. His sincerity is something you can't fake. Watch his expressions of frustration as well as you will see his reluctance to come out because many CAN"T HANDLE THE TRUTH! Because the many have been believing for so long, they know nothing else.

Et contact has been going on for a long time and has accelerated in the last 20 years. Good and bad. Many channels of contact have been experienced. The majority of which are not healthy ones. Again the basics are often over looked. If the channeling is not based with a love one, consider any other channel to be corrupt. It may start out good, the information sounding good as well, but make no mistake that it becomes a form of possession. Also an addiction. The subscribing to can also be considered an addiction. Someone who is in your circle based in love will not expose you to any harm whatsoever. Channeling is also second hand information and if you subscribe to it, consider yourself partially possessed. Subscribing meaning you are attaching yourself to this information without doing anything to prove it. It is one thing to read a channel message, but you must not attach yourself to it as it is only a product of speculation at best. If you were to apply yourself, you could establish your own contact experience but be careful what you wish for as this should be done with some basic protection skills, and an intent based in love. Also this channeling is about using your electrical body and if you align with the wrong thing, you can self impose damage to that. It can even lead to possession. So the best advice I can give is to use common sense with these types of communication. Channel a loved one instead of some alien you never even met in the first hand. Remove the middle man by going within. So be it!

Namaste'

[orthodoxymoron]

Lionhawk...you're not just another blogger...are you? You're so perceptive...it's frightening.

I want to quit thinking about this stuff every day. But I keep thinking that this time is a very unique turning point for humanity...and so I keep reading the threads, watching the videos, and thinking while I walk my dog (I get more enlightenment from my dog than from all the other sources combined).

Try watching Bill Cooper's and Alex Collier's stuff on Google and YouTube...over and over again...and see what happens to your paradigm. I keep thinking that this is the place to begin in this field of study...and to use as a benchmark to test everything else. It won't make you happy...but this isn't about being happy. It's about learning the truth...and doing the right thing. We seem to be stuck on 'make-me-happy'. So...the PTB tell us what we want to hear...and lead us down the primrose path...as lambs to the slaughter.

By the way...what happened to Lucifer? Who's the new guy or gal...Lord Draco?

[Lionhawk]

ODM,

First off let me explain something here. Please understand that when you asked those questions concerning that "gathering" I spoke of, I wanted to answer you right then. Even today, I spent time trying to find the name of the one who took over. If I saw the name I could easily tell you, but it would seem everywhere I have looked, that name has vanished. I 'm not giving up on this so don't think for a second that I am going to slip one under the rug. My problem is when I have searched for this name, I find a lot of biblical reference. That doesn't work in this case. So if anyone who is better at research and could provide such a link, I would then possibly reveal who is now in charge. The name begins with a "C" and is rather long to top it off. In other words it is a name that is not so easily said. Again if I saw it I could easily identify it. So please bear with me on this as I am determined to provide that information. I had wanted to find it and then answer you.

At the same time, the story of that gathering is an incredible one and it shows how powerful we are. Also the combined strength of even a few individuals, can also amaze anyone as miraculous. What happened on that day has also been validated. That is important. Seek validation as that is your proof. The thing about this event was that there were witness testimony as to what happened. Also if you don't believe in the Galactic Federation, then prove it. It can easily be proven if an individual would get off their chair and actually move their legs forward to find that proof. You have to dig and I'm not speaking of second information either. I'm talking in real time in the first hand. Also keep in mind that the Galactic Federation has security protocols in place for obvious reasons. They certainly are shielded and if you don't have the right frequency for access along with permission, then just forget about leaving your chair. I have not personally been on board any of their craft, but I have seen this fleet several times. The gathering that took place was one of those times. It was also something that was blessed by many that are currently involved with our highest good, ranging from the Angelic Realm, certain key members of the GF, other civilizations, and others here on the Planet. A great healing also took place for the Planet. Her chakra system was reactivated and reconnected to the solar system. The Crystal Kingdom that resides in inner Earth was also freed from the ones using them to do their bidding. Many others who have been abducted and physically brought to other worlds were also recaptured and returned to their rightful place. There has been great works being performed right under everyone's noses. I know all that seems to be is of a negative nature, but this is only a perception and nothing more. One must ask oneself if they want to be a part of the solution? It is a choice. It is a choice that I am only trying to remind everyone I come into contact with, be it here on this forum and elsewhere on my life stream.

That is why I am here at this forum. Like Miriam stated that we who do know must speak up with a louder voice. CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW? If only 1% of all that you hear is going on and the rest of it is BS, what are you doing about that 1%? I ask all of you here in the now of your choice. WHAT SAY YOU?

The fact is that you already have contactees right here in this forum right under your noses and you can't see them for whatever excuse you choose to apply. Here, right now are volumes upon volumes of information that you could access in a personal way to assist you on almost every level that we have been hidden from. I have seen such testimony and they, the ones who reveal some of this would love to share so much more. But because of the manipulation of the trickster, they are for the most part, hiding just to protect this information from being taken out of context. I have not even been here two weeks and I have received many emails pertaining to this very topic. So when you see one of them show something, just also know that what they are bringing to this table here at Avalon is a blessing on so many levels. It saddens me to watch the emotional body of those who just fly off not really knowing what they are saying. How would you know unless you have been down this road. These people are the real warriors of our time and we only disrespect their service. Just so we can look like we scored one at someone's expense. Blessings to EVERYONE I say. Bless everything you read and everyone who is your friend here and everyone who is sincerely trying to "GET IT". Isn't that why we are here? To assist each other, to acknowledge the Divine Spark within all of us?

It is a perception, yes. One that reminds me of the story of an apple tree. When I was a little lad, I did a lot of walking. Walked everywhere my little legs would take me. So often they would take me into the woods and I spent many hours with the trees. I climbed them, slept in them, made fires with their dead branches keeping warm. So many things I learned from trees. One day walking along an old saw milling road I spotted what looked like an apple tree. What was puzzling was there were no apples on it. I just figured it was an old tree who's time had passed. Then on another day I over heard an old man who was Canadian, talking about a tree that no longer produced apples, next to his garden. That caught my attention. So I asked him what the solution to that was in my limited vocabulary. On the side of one of his woodsheds was a baseball bat. He asked me if I wanted to make some money? Of course I said yes. He said then go and grab that bat by the shed over there and go find that apple tree I was talking about next to my garden. So I went, grabbed the bat, and as I was heading down to his garden, he said, when you find the tree smack it with the bat all the way around it till you get tired. So, on I went. I smacked that tree till I was wore out silly. Mind you I was only 7 or so. The next year that tree put out a bunch of apples. I know because that old man paid me to pick them. Mr. Carrier was his name. The moral of that story can also apply here.

My only agenda is for us as a species to realize our full potential. Once we do that, then we can assist Gaia with her ascension, then we can then make a choice as to whether we want to stay or go home. Folks, I 'm tired. I don't know how long I can keep going like this. Aren't you tired of all this? Don't you want to go home? I know many do not and that's ok. But that is what I long for and until we accomplish this as one light, it will just be stretched out in the wrong direction. I seek freedom. Total freedom.

The reason why you get more enlightenment from your dog is because your walk is being shared in the first hand. So stop thinking and start doing. I once wrote to a famous author. His name was L. Ron Hubbard. I had expressed my concerns of not growing spiritually despite my experiences. He said, poop or get off the pot. At first I was floored by the response that he gave. But he was also right. If you're just sitting there and always thinking, then your growth will be very limited. So I got off the pot and I haven't looked back since. Sometimes I also remember that we need a smack liken to that apple tree to produce something. Don't sit on the pot and wait for it. Go get it as it is within you to do so.

I will find this name and report back with it. You have my word on that!

Namaste'

[orthodoxymoron]

Thank-you Lionhawk. :original:

[RedeZra]

To this I'd like to add this Collier quote from another thread...

'Ladies and Gentlemen, in closing I have given what I can. It’s out there and that's what I agreed to do. You can choose to read it, listen to it, and research it or not. The information is the Andromedans' prospective. That's it. I would of course always encourage you to research the field. There is a wealth of information out there by many great dedicated researchers and speakers. NO ONE HAS THE WHOLE STORY. But it’s for you to discover who you are and your place in this drama of conscious and spiritual evolution. Be your own savior. Take the pressure off of GOD and help yourself. The worst case is you will be an inspiration and leader to others, to invest in themselves and see themselves as they truly are: genetic royalty and incredible beings.'


lol its the worst kind of advice


turn away and do not bother God

as if we can put some pressure on Him


this is NWO people


let the blind lead themselves

while we devour them


Oh and the worst case is

without God

you will be the head blind

[solent]

I think what Alex means by this is, that we should take control of our lives, steer it in the direction we require, and stop giving our devine rights away, after all does't G-d support all? Meaning he has no problem with what the negative forces do as to him it is all experiance, and everything/one comes back home eventually.....

[Lionhawk]

Alex Collier stated:

"Be your own savior. Take the pressure off of GOD and help yourself."

I don't see anywhere in that quote where he says turn away from God. Another attempt to change the context of that message has been made. I might not be the smartest rock in the box, but I'm not the most stupid rock in the box either.

That has got to be one of the most classic attempts of manipulation I have ever seen. My problem is that I know how to read and comprehend most things written except for that lawyer language.

There is nothing in this quote that would tell anyone something of a lie. It is an empowering statement to be realized. Many want to be saved and it is so easy to see why that is. To mis inform everyone else and to put different words in someone's mouth is just that. It is so transparent. But keep in mind I am not taking what others take as far as what numbs them into servitude. But that is just me. For you folks out there, spot this one. It's a no brainer.

[orthodoxymoron]

Lionhawk...what happened to Lucifer? Sometimes I think that Omnipotent Highness KRLLL (or CRLLL) was a manifestation of Lucifer. Of course I'm presently toying with the idea that Lucifer has manifested or spoken through a number of individuals (human and otherwise). The people who really know...keep the rest of us guessing.

Collier seems to say, at various times, that the ET's created our religions. He doesn't seem to believe that God and religion (as we have been taught) are good things. He does speak positively about the 'Isness'...and says that God is a mystery to even the Andromedans.

Alex seems to say over and over that we need to be responsible and free.

[Initiate]

Lionhawk, I have been following your posts and enjoy the "cut to the chase" and honesty of your posts. You were trying to think of the name of the successor to lucifer. I did a quick seach and found http://mercy.urantia.org/papers/paper53.html. I had a look at the whole site. This resonates deaply with what I have picked up here at avalon and is syncronous with http://www.christsway.co.za. I have been challenged by the content in this site as it was channeled. but, it resonates with the Jesus content in Urantia Book. The Urantia book appears to have been delivered by the "angels" them selves in 1955 or there abouts. the content of christsway was written down by a now over 80 year old who was conditioned over a 40 year period to cleanse her heart to transcribe christ's words. Your thoughts?

[Lionhawk]

Greetings this fine morning,

I haven't stopped and I have been working all through the night. So if I sound like I am a little tipsy excuse me. Also I must address everyone here and apologize for my cut through the chase attitude. For the most part, I understand that many do not have the ability to read energies of what is written on a screen and I forgot that. Plus I have read enough sugar coated material that if I was a diabetic, I would probably go into diabetic shock just from reading it once more. I just can't wrap my head around sugar coating evil things. So I try to not insult anyone's intelligence by doing that. I find it deceptive. I also want everyone who reads this to understand that I can not control your emotional bodies or how you perceive the information you are reading. If you notice that there are some reactive emotions that come with sharing this stuff. At best all I can do is keep it as simple as I can because this stuff is just so complex to begin with. Trust me when I say I don't like it anymore than anyone else. Also you may perceive that I am an un humbled person that has an attitude of arrogance. Like I am sitting up looking down on everyone type of thing. I apologize that you have perceived that because in my own defense this is so far from my reality. I can also back that up with an experience that was probably the most humbling experiences of this life stream. I carry that experience everywhere I go and if you really got to know me, you would discover that and it would no longer be a doubt or question in your mind and heart. But again, it isn't about me and that is important for everyone to understand. So when you hear Alex Collier or anyone saying this, know that it is coming from the hearts that only want for you to succeed in finding your true potential. Yet, there is also a point of where one must detach and stay neutral as some of this stuff will make you mad as hell. We all have been there. So I try to seek some balance here with my conveyances and know I am not perfect. I am a high school drop out that fought his way back to self educate himself. Since I acquired my degree I decided not to stop learning. I don't regret doing that either. So please understand that I am coming from compassion and I really do give a damn. I am passionate about this area of material as it is something I have experienced 49 out of 51 years of my life. Where back in the day I was persecuted by everyone for those experiences, including family, even to this very day. It will challenge you to your core to keep going. Not to give up as there have been many times where I wanted to because I didn't need anymore of the BS that is associated with it. Alex Collier is a prime example as you can see this very thing I am speaking of in any of his interviews. Or from anyone else that is passionate about why we are truly here. You want validation all you have to do is watch the body language as that doesn't lie. So forgive me if anyone out here has felt as though I have treated them unfairly. That is about all I can say. I am being sincere here because it is about revealing ourselves to one another and risking being traumatize by the persons you love. Ask anyone what they have sacrificed to get the word out. Also another issue is that of awareness. Only you can expand it or whatever. What I have found is that there is an increasing number of people that are speaking out in the name of humanity but I fear it is to little to late. So when you hear them bear their soul, know they have paid a huge price in what they are sharing. It is so easy to say the hell with it and that is not what this Planet and everyone needs at this moment. We need to honor these warriors of the spirit, in the now. I know to that many of us have been duped. We have been programmed and that programming is difficult to break down. The emotional body often defends against the breaking down process, trying to survive. I have an open door policy and anyone is welcomed to walk through that door and put a log on that fire I started. So if I seem to strong in my words, just know that they are tempered with compassion.

I have connected with some of you here and so far it has been an inspiration to share with each other. I spoke with someone tonight on Skype for about 4 hours and it was refreshing for my soul to hear that sharing. For that matter, there are influences that tried to interfere with that because when you do and it is based in oneness there is not one thing the dark can do about it. They don't want you to connect and be self empowered. So the fire I started is for the warriors in this group you call a forum. I am just one of many here who can do the do. There are many gifted and talented souls here and we should unite in oneness and take on the challenges we currently face. And anyone else who is willing to discover themselves for themselves. Now I sound like a preacher. That wasn't my intention in this moment. So again you are all welcomed to this fire. I hope you invite me to your fire. Mind you this is not about establishing a cult following. It is about people realizing that they are their own commanders of their soul and should lead shining their light for those who can see that the path to enlightenment is "within" their reach. Hopefully this will clear the air and we can start anew?

Our problems we face is just as Alex Collier has stated is an ET problem. Not all but tons of them are. One has to detach and stand back and look at the real big picture just to get a small grip on it. It is overwhelming and maybe that doesn't even come close as to how over whelming this stuff is. Also note that this has been continuously been going for millions of years up to present day. We get so hooked on reading the history and the different time lines that we forget that so much is still happening in the now. Which leads to another story that I have slightly touched upon as I have called it a "gathering."

Another thing to make a note is that there are souls here that are working overtime just to keep up with what is happening in the now. Many of these warriors are just that. Endless dedication of service. There has been so much attention drawn to the negative side of the issues that a lot of the good things are never reported. Just using the news for an example. When was the last time you saw a bit on good new? Same with the current state of affairs with all these spiritual matters. When you do hear of them, someone decides to sugar coat them and that only hides the real facts. But make no mistake as everyone involved is vying for position. Battles are being fought whether you like it or not. Whether you can even wrap your head around it, it is occurring. So if one denies these probabilities, they are hiding from themselves. You can cherry pick and choose what you want but if you don't embrace all that it is, then you are performing a disservice to self. When this happens you will not be able to see all the good that is happening around you because you have placed limits upon yourself by denying yourself a complete openness to the reality you find yourselves in. That being said, the great heroes you have read about are not just in the past. They are also in the present. If you get the opportunity to participate with any of them, just know it is a blessing to have served in that capacity. It is no myth.

Thanks to some assistance that I received after 4 am this morning, I have found the name. Thank-you for those who stepped up on my research efforts as that was unexpected.

I found the name in the Urantia Book #2. The name is "Caligastia."

I also admit that I have stayed away from such writings as the Phoenix Journals, the Urantia books, the bible, and everything else in between as it is what it is and that is second hand information. I still haven't read all these things. But what I have learned from going through the mud, I can tell you that some of the sources where some of this information is being stored is not exactly in the hands of the lighted ones.

Now what I find interesting is that the Urantia books were written just before I was born. What has happened since has changed some what as the players have also changed in their respective roles. What happened to Lucifer? The key point here is that what ever became of Lucifer has happened in our life time. That should give it some new meaning as to the present. Divine history happened and you won't find it in the bible or the Urantia books because this has happened in the last 15 years or so. Think about that. The ramifications of what that means in our now. I don't know the exact date as maybe someone who is more adept at researching might find that exact date. To me it isn't that detrimental plus or minus a few years. But it has happened in my life time. But also at a cost. A cost to the isness as one who was once considered and named so eloquently is now gone forever. Another took his place and I haven't read the Urantia book completely as I am way behind on the stack of reading that I have already but what I can gather it looks like an interesting twist in our time. All of this history from the very beginning happened because there was this self entitled attitude that chose to abuse the Free Agency Gift that our Creator provided. Lucifer was presented with a choice. Imagine after all the evil he had caused, the Creator still had the compassion to allow Lucifer a choice. When Lucifer came to his senses as to what he had done, he basically couldn't face himself. So he asked the Creator to un create him and recycle his energy back into the isness. That is what basically happened.

To tired to go on........ZZZZzzzzzzz...........

Namaste' and I hope that was something worth thinking about.

[orthodoxymoron]

Thank-you for the name. Thank-you for your honesty and passion Lionhawk. I still have huge questions about Lucifer and universal history...especially regarding Humans vs Reptilians.

Is Lucifer in prison, demoted, banished, dead...or did Lucifer switch sides? Is Caligastia Lucifer's old boss...or a protoge? Was Lucifer an elite Draconian, a lower-level Reptilian, a Grey, a Sirian, or a ??? My current thinking is that Lucifer was (is) from Sirius B.

What if Pope John Paul I converted Lucifer...and this was the real reason for the murder of John Paul I in 1978, the Dulce Wars in 1979, and the exodus of Giza Intelligence in 1979? Is this when the true nature of the alien presence became obvious to the Powers That Be? Is this when the alien presence 'openly' took over the Secret Space Program and the Deep Underground Military Bases? Have the PTB been trying to regain control ever since? What is significant about 1929, 1931, 1941, 1947, 1954, 1963, 1979, 2001, and 2012?

These are not rhetorical questions. I really don't know. What do you think...Lucifer? What about you Caligastia? You should retire. I'll go to work on you too. Be afraid. Be very afraid. The horror. Don't laugh. It's not funny.

Here is a synopsis of Paper 53 from the Urantia Book: The Lucifer Rebellion: http://urantiabook.org/newbook/papers/synopsis/a_soe_53.html

'Lucifer was a primary Lanonandek Son. He was once considered one of the hundred most brilliant personalities of more than seven hundred thousand Lanonandek Sons. Lucifer now is one of three System Sovereigns in ten thousand who, by embracing sin and rejecting universe allegiance, have rebelled against the local universe government. Lucifer and his assistant, Satan, reigned on Jerusem for more than five hundred thousand years before they became traitors to the Universal Father.

It is difficult to trace the exact cause of Lucifer's rebellion. No specific conditions in the system of Satania favored the outbreak. At some point, Lucifer's evil devolved into deliberate sin; his self-pride turned into self-deception.

Several months passed before Lucifer succeeding in corrupting his assistant, but once corrupted, Satan became the primary spokesperson for Lucifer's cause on Urantia. Satan was assisted by Caligastia, the Planetary Prince; Abaddon, Caligastia's chief of staff; and Beelzebub, leader of the disloyal midwayers.

Lucifer presented his three main arguments in a manifesto known as the Lucifer Declaration of Liberty. The rebel claimed that the Universal Father was merely a myth invented by the Paradise Sons so they could maintain power in the universes. He protested the right of Michael to rule and denounced the Ancients of Days as tyrants and foreign potentates. Finally, he condemned the mortal ascension plan on the grounds that it wasted time and energy on a fictional destiny.

Lucifer's manifesto was issued at the annual conclave of Satania on the sea of glass two hundred thousand years ago. He promised that Planetary Princes who followed him would rule as supreme executives. Michael, after taking counsel with his brother Immanuel, decided to assume a position of noninterference. Lucifer was given a free hand to promote his plan, and he pointed to this apparent lack of notice as proof that the universe government was unable to stop him. The following years were a time of great testing in Satania.

Gabriel, leading Lucifer's opposition, set up headquarters in Satania and assumed command of the hosts loyal to Michael. The conflict was terrible, real, and far more deadly than material warfare on the immature worlds. Material life is lost in material conflicts, but those who choose the wrong side during heavenly rebellion forfeit their eternal lives.

The Lucifer Rebellion was system-wide. Thirty-seven Planetary Princes chose the side of the rebel; hundreds of thousands of personalities were lost. At the outbreak of the insurrection, the entire system of Satania was isolated from the constellation and universe communication circuits. No Trinitized Sons, Melchizedeks, archangels, or Brilliant Evening Stars rebelled, but a heavy loss occurred from Morontia Companions and Mansion World Teachers. All of the supreme order of seraphim remained loyal, but many superior and third order seraphim were lost. One third of the administrator angels went astray along with their associated cherubim. Over six hundred thousand Material Sons rebelled, as did large numbers of midway creatures. Ascending mortals withstood the rebellion better than the lower spirits. Not one ascendant citizen on Jerusem was lost, which, ironically, validated the mortal ascension scheme by proving that the best security against cosmic rebellion was the experience of universe ascension.

Lucifer and Satan roamed freely until the bestowal mission of Michael was completed on Urantia. Their attack against him while he was incarnate on Urantia brought an end to any remaining sympathy for the rebel cause in Satania. Michael's bestowal terminated the rebellion throughout the system except on the thirty-seven planets that rebelled. Salvation was offered to all rebels during the early days of the insurrection; none of the leaders accepted mercy, but thousands of angels and lower orders of beings were rehabilitated.

The Ancients of Days have yet to hand down a decision regarding the disposition of Lucifer, Satan, and their associates. Lucifer and Satan are currently imprisoned on the Father's transition spheres surrounding Jerusem. For nineteen hundred years, their status has remained unchanged.

Michael's last act before leaving Urantia was to offer mercy to Caligastia and Dalagastia, but they rejected his offer. Caligastia is still free on Earth, although he has no power to enter the human mind and cannot corrupt any person unless they truly desire to be cursed with his presence. Both Caligastia and Dalagastia are powerless against the Thought Adjusters and the Spirit of Truth.

The system circuits will not be reinstated as long as Lucifer lives. It is believed that all rebels who will ever accept mercy have already done so. The universe awaits the Uversa decree that will deprive these rebels of personality existence.'

[Initiate]

You don't need to justify the way you are Lionhawk. From the reflections of yourself that shine through your posts, you have a strong adjuster in you.

In my personal experience, In this knowledge gathering process the information has presented itself. The "inner voice" claps when something is correct in the here and now and does nothing when something is not. Occasionally it yells "Back Away from the screen, NOW!, this is not what you should be looking at". But that has been rare. The path of knowledge led me first to "Nibiru", eventually to Camelot and Avalon. Avalon has become a stready source of information and triggers. I have just let the knowledge lead me rather than seeking to confirm or deny a certain belief. If more knowledge is required on a certain subject then I will seek it out but the initial inspiration comes of its own accord. Or, some would say, as part of the pattern.

In following up on "Caligastia" there are only a few references I can find. One was a french blog http://65.55.177.205/bv.aspx?ref=SERP&br=ro&mkt=en-NZ&dl=en&lp=fr_en&a=http://posid.blogspot.com/2007/08/adam-et-ve.html

Adam and Eve
In our history, we had have the chance to receive three couples of Adam and Eve... And Yes! Surprise, isn't it? Also, we will focus on the last ones we still have the memory... and to cause... remember Apple...

Adam and Eve are purple race parents. Their mission on our land was to submit the order in the mess caused by the rebellion Lucifer and our Prince Planétaire as well as enhance the spiritual and vibration level of humanity; this couple having been created perfect, had very spiritualisés and highly vibration physical genes. It is through the creation of a physical progeny (a new race) Adam and Eve hoped to achieve their goal.

The plan was simple: offer a progeny of 500,000 persons, so-called "race purple". All these children would have been tasked with disperse to the four winds and found a small family with men and women from other races of the Earth. Also, Adam and Eve had lead humanity to the heavenly father or light reigning as a King and a Queen over the entire earth. But that is...

At the time this couple arrived on our world, Lucifer rebellion resulted in its wake Prince Planétaire Caligasta. Who is this Prince? That which took the load to govern our sphere as a whole. Therefore, at this time, the arrival of Adam and Eve sonnait the death knell for his reign... also, Caligastia were all means available to fail the divine mission of this immortal torque.

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I am sorry if this is off topic for this thread but personally believe it is all conected. The only information that I know for a fact is my own personal experince and, less so as fact but as strong conviction, that which resonates. In my own experience as an 8 or 9 year old some 30 years ago I saw a UFO flying across the sky while playing in the play ground at a country school. This image has stuck with me ever since. This is also the first time I witnessed denial from those around me. My teacher refused to acknowledge it was there. This experience led me to accept that which others refuse too because of fear of redicule etc. I trust in my life experience so present the information here with trust that others here are on a similar journey. All my knowledge on this subject is "second hand" otherwise. My only tool to prove or disprove it is "logic" and my own adjustor or Soverign. I think others who have only their "gut" to go on should also speak up.

This is an information war. I guess we are the soldiers. Let us set our compass. Maybe we need a set of guidelines to decide what level of conviction we place on the information presented as a collective?

Peace be with you.

[Lionhawk]

ODM,

If you want the whole truth and nothing but the truth, may I suggest you go and make a visit to the Akaskic Records. All your questions can probably be answered there.

I will only report on what I have experienced and in no way would I want to stretch it or change any of it to take away from it. To compromise it. What I often do is just report in what I have learned from the field. It doesn't happen sitting in my chair. Seek it and you shall find it. It may take some time though and that is why I have issues with patience. Because I want to know right now. I despise the wait. :wall:

:thumb_yello:

[Unified Serenity]

Very interesting information from all concerning knowledge of the current state of astral affairs. I am not sure how the information affects future events if at all. All I do know it the love of many has grown very cold, most of the bride is asleep and will not be prepared, and the battle will not be won by violence but by the highest expression of Divine love and Oneness. That's where my path has led, and while I believe in Divine Oneness, it is not warm fuzzies, but a willingness to stand in one's truth, undaunted and yet at the same time yearning for all to love and desire that same unity. I simply will not comply with the rulers in this realm or astral levels who think they are in charge and are but sad misguided children playing god.

Oh, and I wanted to add that for me in many ways astral is more real than this 3d realm. Nothing happens here that does not first manifest there.

US

[PilotSimone]

My entire life I have searched for a friend who would speak to me as Lionhawk does on this forum.

I am ready to find my own proof and I really appreciate knowing someone is willing to assist if/when they can.

Thank you to Lionhawk and others on this forum for sharing what you know. I'm very, very grateful.

[orthodoxymoron]

ODM,

If you want the whole truth and nothing but the truth, may I suggest you go and make a visit to the Akaskic Records. All your questions can probably be answered there.

I will only report on what I have experienced and in no way would I want to stretch it or change any of it to take away from it. To compromise it. What I often do is just report in what I have learned from the field. It doesn't happen sitting in my chair. Seek it and you shall find it. It may take some time though and that is why I have issues with patience. Because I want to know right now. I despise the wait. :wall:

:thumb_yello:

Thank-you Lionhawk. It may sound like a cop-out...but I am presently committed to considering the work of others...and not going out of my body...not contacting entities of any kind...and not delving into various realms. I do seek ethical, psychological, and spiritual elevation through exercise, rest, nature, music, research, and deep thought. If this isn't enough...then so be it. I also seek patience...and I want it now. Right Now.

[RedeZra]

I think what Alex means by this is, that we should take control of our lives, steer it in the direction we require, and stop giving our devine rights away, after all does't G-d support all? Meaning he has no problem with what the negative forces do as to him it is all experiance, and everything/one comes back home eventually.....


God does not support evil

but if we choose it

He will allow it

for some time

for it is in times of trouble

there is a rush

towards

God

[orthodoxymoron]

God may not have a problem with what the negative forces do...but I have a HUGE problem with what the negative forces do. In fact...the negative forces may constitute the God of This World. :sneaky2: What's wrong with this stupid picture?

The God of This World seems to be a master of Problem > Reaction > Solution. Was 9/11 an example of this? Will 'Earth Changes' be an 'Act of God'? When the excrement really hits the air-conditioning...will we all cower before Jehovah's Awful Throne...and beg for mercy?

[RedeZra]

You just don't ask for mercy While you're still on the stand - L.Cohen



right over there the good

left over there the bad

and in between both


the Prince bent

the Map spent

the last line of an ink pen

a drop of blood at the temple

[ojajebie]

Guys, I am gonna soon reread Letters from Andromeda by Alex Collier.

Maybe someone has the missing chapters from LFA? Look here to see what is missing exactly -> http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/andromeda/lfa/lfa.html#contents


For me Alex Collier is one of the most honest people on Earth. I am glad he is still alive and he does lectures from time to time.

And, I have read somewhere that Alex wants to reedit Defending Sacred Ground, add new content and release it. Someone knows more about it?

[Richard T]

An honest person can honestly believe what he is told and honestly transmit what he honestly felt was veridic in essences so that more honest people may perceive the quality of the message through the honesty of the messenger, even though the messenger may have been duped through the qualities of his own honesty.

Because a truly honest character does not tend to challenge the origin and quality of an information, taking for granted that the source of the information must be honest.

A thief sees thieves everywhere, and an honest chap tends to give away the shovel's handle too easily.

[RRT]

Guys, I am gonna soon reread Letters from Andromeda by Alex Collier.


Hello.

You may wish to visit zenetae.com which contains a transcript of the latest presentation done by Alex.

Regards

[TRANCOSO]

In 'Defending Sacred Ground' (pdf) Alex Collier predicts loads of events that were gonna take place - according to his Andromedan friends.

NOT A SINGLE ONE of these predictions took place.

I'm not anti-Collier, but the facts speak for itself.

[ojajebie]

In 'Defending Sacred Ground' (pdf) Alex Collier predicts loads of events that were gonna take place - according to his Andromedan friends.

NOT A SINGLE ONE of these predictions took place.

I'm not anti-Collier, but the facts speak for itself.

The same goes with Stewart Swerdlow, but u have to know that ur future is not carved in a stone.

The future changes, as we change. Want to experience something else? Change your mind.
Anyway, Collier posted somewhere, that all events which he spoke about, were the high chance possibilities.
I don't defend him, but u have to know, that his works affected my life in a positive way. I am not afraid now, whatever will happen in 2012/2013 will be a reflection of our thougts and emotions. If we develop more compassion, love, sincerity and comprehension in our actions, then we surely experience something good :thumb_yello:.
Our Universe works in this way, I know that thanx to Collier and Andromedans.

[Stardustaquarion]

The same goes with Stewart Swerdlow, but u have to know that ur future is not carved in a stone.

The future changes, as we change. Want to experience something else? Change your mind.
Anyway, Collier posted somewhere, that all events which he spoke about, were the high chance possibilities.
I don't defend him, but u have to know, that his works affected my life in a positive way. I am not afraid now, whatever will happen in 2012/2013 will be a reflection of our thougts and emotions. If we develop more compassion, love, sincerity and comprehension in our actions, then we surely experience something good :thumb_yello:.
Our Universe works in this way, I know that thanx to Collier and Andromedans.

Well, it is true that probabilities change, it depends on the consciousness that we as collective have and it is the reason why we are being dumb down

From the material in KS they explain that humanity changed from probability one to probability three in 2003 after the fall of the halls of amenti, because of rapid intervention of the Guardian Alliance

We were supposed to have a pole shift in 2003. Even my brother was trying to persuade me to hunker down with him. There were hundreds of books that predicted armaggedon in 2000. In the year 2000 the stellar activation began and some stargates opened. No one knew how bad the grids were and no one knew whether the existing gridkeepers would be able to stabilize the planet or not. Many beings intervened but it was never published in the "afternoon news"

Humanity is in darkness, it knows not what is going on

In 2008 the probabilities were shifted from three to four and we are shifting again. If all goes well, many catastrophic things will not happen but if it does goes badly we may have pole shift in 2012

It all depends on the level of conscioussness on the planet, hence we have to keep up, keep building up frequencies and keep out of fear mongering

Lots of love

[RRT]

Guys, I am gonna soon reread Letters from Andromeda by Alex Collier.


Just to let fellow Avalonians know that www.lettersfromandromeda.org now contains some of the issues of LFA as it appeared in print format.

Regards

[Sadie]

Alex Collier is one of my favorite speakers.

Everything he speaks rings sincere, at least to me.
And makes perfect sense. And requires more thought on my part.

I frequently re-listen to one of his old videos, to refresh my memory.
And I would to hear love a new interview,
but know that it would really not be very different information.
His experiences, and truth, are what they are.

Sadie

[garrymayani]

I don't mean to be a jerk but is there ANY proof to anything he says.There are alot of people talking about stuff but how much of it is true.I thought he was very sincere as well but that still doesn't cut it.A good conman will fool the smartest of people.I am not calling him a conman but I am just curious why people believe him without proof.
Does not a good lie start by believing it yourself??

for me, the message itself is already a proof....

[TRANCOSO]

for me, the message itself is already a proof....
That is the most refreshing approach on utter BS I have seen in ages! Revolutionary!

March 28, 2011 all problems will be solved overnight, by benovelent, very tall (8-9 feet) blue eyed blonds from an earth like planet, behind the sun.

Not a shred of evidence, but the message must make you happy, garrymayani. :original:

[mu2143]

Well it is with most people that when they confronted for the first time with a prophesy, is theymade the mistake by forgetting that it is a possible out come!!!

Many people get this type of information and forget that it is not 100%

But one thing is 100% a fact is when where entering the Nexxus then the schumann frequence is going to get much higher

According to Alex colliers source where entering it now and this is going to make some changes Bad and Good between now and the Fall.

Get ready for the ride!!!