Michael Moore & Alex Jones & Bill Cooper

[JohnWdoe]

All 3 of these people have such varied views but all "stick" to the same agenda.

Michael Moore is very popular with the laymen (god i hate that word haha)

Alex Jones is more so "underground" frankly because he can be quite absurd, if i ever seen someone suffering from Psychosomatic tendencies it would be Alex... he can be a wreck emotionally and when he yells it can be quite scary even to me, more so someone trying to understand this hole mess.

Bill Cooper was something of a maverick (do we really need to say that?) who held back nothing and was ultimately killed for it. He had NO problem expressing who he felt was behind this hole mess.

All and all these 3 men will be set in stone for what they have done, share your thoughts on this odd trivium.
:thumb_yello:

[peacelovinman]

Cooper did not have any time for Jones; you can research this on the web. I don't have any time for Moore - I believe him to be a disinfo agent (Bowling for Colombine (sp?) distorted the truth to fit the story).

Cooper is the only guy I hold in high regard of these three.

[Bernd]

Not to forget Jordan Maxwell... It's incredible how deep this man went in his research...

[Phtha]

Yup Moore is a shill 100%.
The fact that his movies even made it into the theaters is proof enough.
He never touches any of the real evidence such as the fact that the way
the buildings fell defies the laws of physics as we know them.

I've seen no real proof that Alex is a shill but really it doesn't matter when it comes
right down to it.

[JohnWdoe]

Actually i had a paragraph (deleted it) about Micheal Moore and his what i call "guilt trips". I was actually ****** off when Mr Moore brought that kid in the wheel chair and pretty much said to that employee "you shot him, K-Mart bullets shot this young man", what an *******!

How could i forget Jordan Maxwell!! He had some great info indeed but something about him says "no go" for me, i know he is quite religious and can be a little one sided he still has some good information.

I wonder what Micheal Moore is doing now a days? anyone have a clue??

[googleboy]

Not to forget Jordan Maxwell... It's incredible how deep this man went in his research...



also is incredible how many many mistakes this man has made .....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwugLx2rSJY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Fr3Etam50o

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vG39Jj8b1Dw

.....etc....


be well
GB

***

[Phtha]

How could i forget Jordan Maxwell!! He had some great info indeed but something about him says "no go" for me, i know he is quite religious and can be a little one sided he still has some good information.


Actually Maxwell isn't religious at all. In fact he has debunked religions better then anyone else I've seen.
He just believes in the One.

[Phtha]

also is incredible how many many mistakes this man has made ....

***

I watched those videos awhile back and find them to be pretty unfair. Firstly they don't really
disprove anything Maxwell says. The maker of the videos makes lots of claims
but provides no proof himself. Plus he sources books that were quite obviously
written by shills.
I think the maker just can't except that nearly everything he has been taught is a lie.



I don't believe everything Maxwell says either for the record but anyone can hack apart other peoples speeches and make them look bad.

[Mike_Jetson]

Jones is a good guy no matter what the attackers say. If you listen to him enough you cna see his calmer side plenty. He does talk about the people he is accused of not talking about. ie, the jesuits, vatican, zionists.

Moore seems to be fitting that role of having someone on both sides.

havnt done much reserahc on Cooper but I will and I love jordan Maxwell, we all made a few errors, nobody is perfect

[googleboy]

The maker of the videos makes lots of claims
but provides no proof himself. Plus he sources books that were quite obviously
written by shills.


kind a loop here

maker provide no proofs :shocked: ??

he DID provide and sourced books - that you say are written by shills
and where is yous proofs that those are shills " writen" book .... just because you say that is OBVIOUS ??

snake bites her own tail .... huh? :biggrin2:


be well
GB

****

[googleboy]

havnt done much reserahc on Cooper but I will and I love jordan Maxwell, we all made a few errors, nobody is perfect

---
cooper's view excludes maxwell's and other way around .... that s the fact ...

--
it is not problem to make mistake, the problem is to stick with it for a long time....


be well

GB

***

[crazycharlie]

OK... I gotta say the person that to me has DUG
further than anyone I have found ( down that rabbit hole)
is Laura Knight-Jadczyk yea there has been a few mistakes
but the unbelievable research into our reality is massive . . .
and a great deal of it FREE on the net unlike some mentioned above..
( give thanks to Bill & Kerry as well for sharing so much of their work
to all! ) ,,
Check this & offer feedback ,, GOD I would LOVE for
Camelot to interview LAURA .....

http://cassiopaea.org
http://sott.net

also the sott team and Laura is to me hard on other folks
( Alex Jones etc...) cause you have to ask about their agenda
what are they really doing ? they can't ask us to fight
the powers that be with violence ,,, ( to me there really is another
kind of resistance ! )

[Bernd]

May I ask... what are the mistakes he (JM) made?
Is it a matter of opinion or facts?
I know that he has quite some respect of the "sons of god" etc. but what were the mistakes?

[raulduke]

Interesting thread JohnWdoe, if that is your real name.

When I saw the title I thought it might be a joke. Like, Michael Moore, Alex Jones and Bill Cooper walk into a bar.....hmmm... i'll think of something.

Seriously though, Michael Moore is almost certainly a disinfo agent, although he has huge exposure and is reponsible for sparking the interest of vast numbers of otherwise unreachable minds. Now, wether or not said minds are then capable or likely to do further research for themselves is a subject for discussion.

Bill Cooper was a good man, and it is awful what they did to him and his family. He made it clear how he felt about Alex Jones.

Initially I felt the same way, Alex is loud, verbose, emotionaly eratic. It is off-putting to someone beginning this sort of research. His outrage can indeed be scary to the point where I must simply stop listening or skip ahead (if listening in the daily archive). After trying to avoid him in researching things like 9/11 or secret governments, I of course continued to bump into his research.

Give him another chance. I've found that he is a good man too, just trying to sort out occult agendas.
He is loud because they are louder. He is verbose because this information is mind numbingly complex. He is emotionaly eratic because he has such high hopes coupled w/ such awful information.

Alex has grown and learned since Bill died. I would never speak for the late Mr. Cooper, but I think that if he were able to hear Alex speak today, he might have a higher opinion of him.

As an example, here is a clip from Alex's show yesterday. He had David Icke on, who he once called a "turd in the punch bowl". This is Alex apologizing for how he once characterized David.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZkRb3LUXQF4

[googleboy]

May I ask... what are the mistakes he (JM) made?
Is it a matter of opinion or facts?
I know that he has quite some respect of the "sons of god" etc. but what were the mistakes?

yes,.. you can (ask) mate :naughty:

but if that matter really interest you,. you must research BY YOURSELF

HIS mistakes by me, might not be mistakes by YOU :)

have a links above to start with ... then cross it with Wikipedia.... etc etc...

good luck,.. it's huge area .... can not be accomplished through few posts




be well
GB

****

[Dadrious]

Let's not put Michael Moore in the same category as Bill Cooper. One is a disinfo agent and one was murdered for being a true American patriot.


also is incredible how many many mistakes this man has made .....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwugLx2rSJY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Fr3Etam50o

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vG39Jj8b1Dw

.....etc....


be well
GB

***

These videos are garbage.

"You need to go back and do your homework." - Jordan Maxwell

[Son of Eire]

Let's not put Michael Moore in the same category as Bill Cooper. One is a disinfo agent and one was murdered for being a true American patriot.




These videos are garbage.

"You need to go back and do your homework." - Jordan Maxwell

I agree 100%

[pineal-pilot-in merkabah]

jones goes nuts because he is tyhe first line of fire to educate the mases of the sheeple. imagine knowing this was coming for 10 yerars and living in country populated by 90% dumbed down morons(no fault of their own). jordan maxwell has known whars coming for the last 48 years.. between these two you get all the info you need..
period

LOL michael moore
its mad when you understand the game, painting the NRA as maniacs, now we know better. all the people we thought were baddies are goodies and vice versa. mugabe (not supporting him) for instance has a broke country due what the uk has done to it.. disarmihg americans isnt going to happen mr OBAMA.. get ready usa its gonna go off like a fire cracker!!

[motov]

I watched those videos awhile back and find them to be pretty unfair. Firstly they don't really
disprove anything Maxwell says. The maker of the videos makes lots of claims
but provides no proof himself. Plus he sources books that were quite obviously
written by shills.
I think the maker just can't except that nearly everything he has been taught is a lie.



I don't believe everything Maxwell says either for the record but anyone can hack apart other peoples speeches and make them look bad.

are you sure you did see them?? ok, i believe you, but i dont believe that you heard them...lol

[Mike_Jetson]

As an example, here is a clip from Alex's show yesterday. He had David Icke on, who he once called a "turd in the punch bowl". This is Alex apologizing for how he once characterized David.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZkRb3LUXQF4

He called his Reptilian views the turd in the punch bowl. Not icke himself. Chinese whispers again

[ATYT]

Cooper is the only guy I hold in high regard of these three.


Correct

[gwynned]

OK... I gotta say the person that to me has DUG
further than anyone I have found ( down that rabbit hole)
is Laura Knight-Jadczyk yea there has been a few mistakes
but the unbelievable research into our reality is massive . . .
and a great deal of it FREE on the net unlike some mentioned above..
( give thanks to Bill & Kerry as well for sharing so much of their work
to all! ) ,,
Check this & offer feedback ,, GOD I would LOVE for
Camelot to interview LAURA .....



I would like to see an interview with Laura, though I had a very strange experience with the Sott team. I sent them an email, asking them if they could enlighten me about a personal experience of a spiritual nature I had with someone. They wanted to know the name of the person I was speaking about. I explained that this person was unknown, to reveal their identity would betray a confidence and their identification was irrelevant in that I was only interested to find out if my experiences had dovetailed with anything that they had heard of. They insisted that I reveal the name or they wouldn't respond. I found this a bit disturbing.

[3Dprisoner]

William (Bill) Cooper was the man. A man of iron will and courage. He made some mistakes along the way but so do we all. His book Behold A Pale Horse will remain a Rosetta Stone for alternative research and thought for generations to come. He stood for his beliefs bravely and lost his life for it. Not many of us can claim to know anyone who has made that ultimate sacrifice even when they didn't have to. Further more his videos (on Youtube now) of the JFK assassination are a must see for anyone who thought they had the whole thing figured out.

I agree with what people here are saying about Michael Moore. He doesn't touch the dangerous issues and can remind you of a male version of Rosie O'Donnel.

Alex Jones used to get under my skin with his criticism of David Icke whom I will touch upon next. But Alex has reputed his trash talk about Icke and stated that with everything he's learned lately that he was wrong to discount some of the more far out claims that Mr. Icke has made. Alex remains a beacon of resistance and I don't care how much he yells and screams. It's about time somebody started doing it.

David Icke isn't on this list and I feel he should be. His book And The Truth Shall Set You Free almost rivals Behold a Pale Horse. Almost. David Icke has remained committed to exposing the truth despite ridicule and never shied away from where his evidence has led him no matter how bizarre. His most difficult claims are hard for me to even swallow but the guy has been right too often for me to laugh just as Alex has claimed. His research into politicians across the globe being involved in Devil Worship can be cross referenced with many sources along with their calling cards. He is not afraid to claim that interdimensional forces are at work which is further than many are willing to tread which I applaud. The days of just seeing things in 3 dimensions needs to end so that we can see a bigger picture of manipulation in my opinion. Icke has exposed this wonderfully in many of his books.


Milton William Cooper May6, 1943- November 5, 2001 R. I. P brother

[Mike_Jetson]

The point is, they are all good people taking a different path with almost the same goal. Its attempts at seperation that cause these debates and people attacking one of them.

None of them can be 100 % correct but they can all be mostly correct.

[Dominic]

Jones has awaken millions, he is exactly what America needed.

He is a little coarse but, that's what is needed to energize some that are in a deep sleep.

What about Jeff Rense, He is softer spoken and gets right to the point.

No comment on Moore.

I praise all who will shed some light on this cabal.

peace and light

[gwynned]

[QUOTE=3Dprisoner;43960]
I agree with what people here are saying about Michael Moore. He doesn't touch the dangerous issues and can remind you of a male version of Rosie O'Donnel.


David Icke isn't on this list and I feel he should be. His book And The Truth Shall Set You Free almost rivals Behold a Pale Horse. Almost. David Icke has remained committed to exposing the truth despite ridicule and never shied away from where his evidence has led him no matter how bizarre. The days of just seeing things in 3 dimensions needs to end so that we can see a bigger picture of manipulation in my opinion. Icke has exposed this wonderfully in many of his books.

/QUOTE]


Very insightful. I love the comparison of Moore to Rosie O'Donnel. Get Radical! Vote for Obama!

I had some questions about Icke, and went to see him in person in Santa Clara. I now have no doubt that he is sincere and has researched his ideas very carefully. He has paid a price for being out there. He mentioned all those who had ridiculed him over the years and while he has been vindicated in part, I could tell the ridicule had taken a toll on him. One thing he said that really struck me. He said that finding a way out of the matrix will turn your world upside down and, inevitably, a price is paid. For him, he said he was now alone, and I could sense the sadness in his voice.

I take issue with the suggestion posted subsequent to your comments that 'these are all good people.' That may or may not be true. But if our goal is to find our way out of this mess and someone leads us to a dead end, they are wasting our time, either intentionally or by the kinds of good intentions that lead to hell. More and more, I'm learning discernment, often assisted by observations on this forum. Much thanks.

[Ashatav]

Cooper did not have any time for Jones; you can research this on the web. I don't have any time for Moore - I believe him to be a disinfo agent (Bowling for Colombine (sp?) distorted the truth to fit the story).

Cooper is the only guy I hold in high regard of these three.


Amen to that.

Bill Cooper is the only of these 3 who has talked about the real problems behind the NWO.

And That's something I apreciate about Bill Deagle, he is in the minority who are brave enought to talk about the Jesuits (http://video.google.es/videoplay?docid=4774360285024764342&ei=EejsSN3qFJHuqAKQhrybDA&q=secret+behind+secret+societies) (behind all basicaly) and knigths of malta, etc.

And all the people who talks about this topic are dead after a while or at least are atempts against they lives, and who's not and disinform the people like Alex Jones (http://es.youtube.com/results?search_query=alex+jones+malta&search_type=&aq=f) or Michael Moore (http://www.kt70.com/~jamesjpn/articles/illuminati_plan.htm) keep living and wins oscars hahaha

Cheers!

[BeaTnik-BandiT]

Not to forget Jordan Maxwell... It's incredible how deep this man went in his research...

Yeah. Jordan Maxwell deserves an Altar. He's a pioneer.
Stuff on his website enlightened me a lot on many issues....:thumb_yello:

[ChooseYourLifeNow]

Cooper did not have any time for Jones; you can research this on the web. I don't have any time for Moore - I believe him to be a disinfo agent (Bowling for Colombine (sp?) distorted the truth to fit the story).

Cooper is the only guy I hold in high regard of these three.

I agree 100%

[Dantheman62]

Bill Cooper had strength, Micheal Moore is a fat slob with no self respect, before you can gain respect, you've got to have respect for yourself.

[BeaTnik-BandiT]

Moore seems to be fitting that role of having someone on both sides.

havnt done much reserahc on Cooper but I will and I love jordan Maxwell, we all made a few errors, nobody is perfect

I agree. The first is rich and has many assets at stakes, so he wants to please his masters.

The latter one is broken and is a fine researcher.

Both of them are attacked, buts it's easy to separate BS from Quality when you follow the money.

salute.

[Ultrarain]

sorry someone reffer to good guys are bad and vice verse,sorry but idont understand who are the good guys in this mess?

[2infinityandbeyond]

I agree 100%

Me too.

Im actually suprised that Bill Cooper was thrown in with these two.

Alex Jones and Michael moore are more then likely (well funded) pawns in my honest opinion, But Bill Cooper was a true patriot who died for his country.

He deserves more respect then too be branded a maverick and thrown into the same category as these other two morons.

[Phosphene_Sparks]

IMHO Jones is the only one with any real substance due to the fact that what he says can be backed up usually by triplicate documents.

His films are also an eyeopener and much of what he has predicted over the past 10 years has become a reality. It is hella scary but then that's the world we live in.

I suggest that if you don't know Jones that you go to www.infowars.com and listen to his radio stationa nd read some the the articles.

Also, check this link, you should find a few of his films there.

http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=alex+jones&emb=0&aq=f#

Best Wishes

M

[raulduke]

He called his Reptilian views the turd in the punch bowl. Not icke himself. Chinese whispers again

This is so far from my intent.

Mike, did you read the rest of my post at all?

Here is the Trio channel doc I was refering to.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2912878405399014351&ei=rj7tSLPQAYGE_AGiicSjAw&q=david+icke+documentary&hl=en

Alex is interviewed at about 12 minutes 30 seconds in regarding his views on David.

I suppose it is somewhat vague wether or not he is actually calling David a "turd..." or only his reptillian views.

This is so far beside the point though. My intent was to demonstrate Alex's ability to reevaluate tough information, and admit when he was wrong and apologize even.

[Ashatav]

IMHO Jones is the only one with any real substance due to the fact that what he says can be backed up usually by triplicate documents.

His films are also an eyeopener and much of what he has predicted over the past 10 years has become a reality. It is hella scary but then that's the world we live in.

I suggest that if you don't know Jones that you go to www.infowars.com and listen to his radio stationa nd read some the the articles.

Also, check this link, you should find a few of his films there.

http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=alex+jones&emb=0&aq=f#

Best Wishes

M

Hi, but is a topic who Alex Jones (http://es.youtube.com/results?search_query=alex+jones+malta&search_type=&aq=f)Never touch, and he has pointed by Leo Zagami as a coadjuntor.

The topic about the Jesuits (http://video.google.es/videoplay?docid=4774360285024764342&ei=EejsSN3qFJHuqAKQhrybDA&q=secret+behind+secret+societies) and the Knights of Malta.

Research these topics.

They are who bring down the twin towers, they are the real power behind de secret societies.

Rockeffelers, Rothchilds, presidents and CIA chiefs, all illuminati Knights of Malta.

The Knights of Malta are servants of the Vatican.

The vatican serves the Jesuits!

Infórmate!

Cheers!

:thumb_yello:

[googleboy]

These videos are garbage.

"You need to go back and do your homework." - Jordan Maxwell


did your comment help someone
did your comment guide someone
did your comment had sense tone

ARE YOU HERE TO PICK A FIGHT ?
ARE YOU HERE TO PRACTICE BAD HUMOR ?

:welcomeani: anyway ...

be well
GB

****

[PTTurboe]

Alex has awakened many many people. But - just to the "physical" NWO. Not the spiritual war that is going on too.

BUT - I post over there too and they are so focused on the FEAR and they ridicule ANYTHING about aliens, UFO's, etc.

Or if you question Christianity.

I keep saying "Alex is waking up" on this thread and they keep deleting it!

http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=63494.0

Fascinating....

[BeaTnik-BandiT]

did your comment help someone
did your comment guide someone
did your comment had sense tone

ARE YOU HERE TO PICK A FIGHT ?
ARE YOU HERE TO PRACTICE BAD HUMOR ?

:welcomeani: anyway ...

be well
GB

****

I am sorry to say, dude:
I agree 1000000000000% with Dadrious.

Jordan Maxwell is a fine researcher and he deserves
respect and recognition.

Today, a lot of those under the 'Limelight' were eating pablum when he began his research.
Go see his site, and check for yourself.

salute.

[bill7907]

I am not very familiar with Alex Jones.

But I am very familiar with a True American Patriot who had the couraged to talk publicly about all those criminals in the Pentagon apparently "taking charge of America".
William Cooper/Bill Cooper really gave a lot of information concerning the issue with the Extraterrestrials.
Any aware man would deduce that William Cooper's life was not going to last long because he had no allies...
No one was there to back up William on his exposure of the truth....
William Cooper said all the real stuff.


As for Michael Moore, he is trying to expose the truth but he doesn't want to get killed, so he does it extremely lightly.


I don't forsee anyone like William Cooper to come out anytime soon.
Rampant apathy is running wild on the globe.

[Mike_Jetson]

This is so far from my intent.

Mike, did you read the rest of my post at all?

Here is the Trio channel doc I was refering to.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2912878405399014351&ei=rj7tSLPQAYGE_AGiicSjAw&q=david+icke+documentary&hl=en

Alex is interviewed at about 12 minutes 30 seconds in regarding his views on David.

I suppose it is somewhat vague wether or not he is actually calling David a "turd..." or only his reptillian views.

This is so far beside the point though. My intent was to demonstrate Alex's ability to reevaluate tough information, and admit when he was wrong and apologize even.

Sorry dude I wasnt saying you had got anything wrong. Finding the source of where info has been slightly changed the 1st time is always tough but usually always happens. The Deagle interview being the most major one lately.

Alex Jones actually misquoted himself :). Originally refering to Ickes reptilian agenda as the turd in the punchbowl of good knowledge but indeed on that vid (you posted) Jones himself says "when i called him the.."

Alex likes to bend the facts as much as possible without lieing to get more people on our side and to get people to do their own research.

Anyone who said he doesnt talk about the jesuits is not telling the truth.

If Alex Jones decides to avoid the knights of malta of jesuit agenda then it may be others know more than him when it comes to detail, or he may genuinely fear from what he could say despite being the front liner he is, til death he will fight etc.

Im a fan, thats all that matters and like us, his opinions gladly change the more knowledge he receives

I enjoy listening to Alex Jones. Regardless of the issues he is happy to learn and change his views as he learns more

[googleboy]

yes I agree,..as a person,but work itself should be questioned and there is nothing bad or vicious in it ...

[QUOTE=
Today, a lot of those under the 'Limelight' were eating pablum when he began his research.
Go see his site, and check for yourself.


simple fact that he is 72 and I m 45 is nothing .. he begin earlier ...
that is GOD FOR HIM for starters...

so what if we have been eating pablum at the time ? does it mean that we should take anything served as a... TV diner? no questions asked?

and YES I had maxwell books before he has the site ... we are more than 15 years "spaciren" together ....

but that one doesnt gave me a RIGHT to preach to anybody , I just want people to research by THEMSELF.

QUESTION EVERYTHING !!


be well
GB

*****

[GoingToFast]

I do not understand when someone is calling Alex Jones an agent of the oppressors, after listening to many of his broadcasts on the net and seeing many of his films it is absolutely clear to me that he is on our side, the ordinary people that struggles to survive in this hole NWO mess. I also do not understand why people try to make Jones Moore Cooper Icke and Maxwell out as antagonists, they are simply attacking the problems from different angels that does not automatically make them into enemies.

[Phosphene_Sparks]

I do not understand when someone is calling Alex Jones an agent of the oppressors, after listening to many of his broadcasts on the net and seeing many of his films it is absolutely clear to me that he is on our side, the ordinary people that struggles to survive in this hole NWO mess. I also do not understand why people try to make Jones Moore Cooper Icke and Maxwell out as antagonists, they are simply attacking the problems from different angels that does not automatically make them into enemies.

Well put.

I will add one comment about the fear aspect of Alex Jones. Yes, it is scary. But then cruel cruel hard reality often is. Look at the savanna for example.

I think people need to tune in to the fact that, as a species we really aren't very far evolved from a pure state of nature in our thinking and actions.

Best Wishes

M

[TAXMASTER]

obviously nobody here has studied the jfk assassination thoroughly or they wouldn't have such wonderful things to say about bill cooper. he used blurry old faded copies of the zapruder film to futher his theory that the driver shot jfk. it was absolutely preposterous. first, any good copy of the film clearly shows the sun shining on the passenger SS man's head is the same glare that cooper claims was a gun. Second, there was a glass partition between the connelys and the fron seat where the secret service sat and if the driver fired a shot, it would have exploded the glass in fact you can see the connellys head bounce against it when the brakes were applied.

i have studied this assassination for 30 years and consider myself competant in the subject and guys like cooper have given "conspiracy theorists" a bad personna. if he twisted the truth in other events like he did with jfk, how can anyone deem him as credible.

Namaste'

[peacelovinman]

obviously nobody here has studied the jfk assassination thoroughly or they wouldn't have such wonderful things to say about bill cooper. he used blurry old faded copies of the zapruder film to futher his theory that the driver shot jfk. it was absolutely preposterous. first, any good copy of the film clearly shows the sun shining on the passenger SS man's head is the same glare that cooper claims was a gun. Second, there was a glass partition between the connelys and the fron seat where the secret service sat and if the driver fired a shot, it would have exploded the glass in fact you can see the connellys head bounce against it when the brakes were applied.

i have studied this assassination for 30 years and consider myself competant in the subject and guys like cooper have given "conspiracy theorists" a bad personna. if he twisted the truth in other events like he did with jfk, how can anyone deem him as credible.

Namaste'

I am a fan of Cooper's but I am not in agreement with his thesis on the JFK assasination.

However, he was a dedicated man in attempting to get unpalatable truth to ordinary folks. He was talking about the New World Order long before the likes of Jones and Michael Moore were on the scene. His information came from the "inside", as he served with Naval Intelligence and was associated with the De Molay movement as a young man. His association with De Molay may indicate that his family may have a masonic history? (he himself believed he was chosen for intelligence work due to his prior membership of De Molay -they saw him as the "right" kind of person).

I do not believe he twisted the JFK "truth" for his own benefit but I do believe he was wrong in this instance. However, I have never seen the logic in throwing out the baby with the bathwater. This doesn't mean all Cooper's research should be disregarded and his intentions should be admired, in my opinion.

If you have studied the JFK assasination for 30 years, have you concluded that the official explanation is truth or otherwise? If you have concluded "otherwise", how successful have you been in passing on your research to folks at large?

I am genuinely interested as I believe JFK and 9/11 are the best examples to show people that governments lie and deceive (at the very least) to achieve their aims.

[Mike_Jetson]

Well put.

I will add one comment about the fear aspect of Alex Jones. Yes, it is scary. But then cruel cruel hard reality often is. Look at the savanna for example.

I think people need to tune in to the fact that, as a species we really aren't very far evolved from a pure state of nature in our thinking and actions.

Best Wishes

M

I once felt a bit of panic after first starting to listen to Jones on a daily basis quite some time ago but over time you get aclimatised to it and now there is no fear or panic and thats the same when i listen to the worst no matter who the source. Let the fear in, let it sweep over you and away, its not long before youve dont feel it any more. His style is obviously fear based but nowadays he knows the critical comments he gets so he now says, folks, I dont mean to scare you, im not fear mongering, this is the truth, im just reading news from mainstream media, which often he is.


And yeah the driver def. didnt shoot JFK, that would just be ridiculous. The vid that looked like he did was a decent theory apart from the drivers head clicking back round in one frame, and the other vid clearly showing the light that was making this seem possible when it was just light

With the JFK zepruder film, there was a great little mini doc I saw that theorised that the real zepruder film was edited and chopped together and made an extremely good convincing story, even more so when youve done video and image editing yourself. Things such as the shadows on the green and the huge size of the by standers in comparison to the car and each other. Looking forwsard to black sunshine, love the fan pic

http://riseuprochester.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/black_sunshine_poster.jpg

[BeaTnik-BandiT]

If you have studied the JFK assasination for 30 years, have you concluded that the official explanation is truth or otherwise? If you have concluded "otherwise", how successful have you been in passing on your research to folks at large?




In 'Dark Mission' from Richard C. Hoagland,

They tell the fatal shot came from the front: a shooter was located
behind a concrete wall atop the ''Grassy knoll''.

peaceful salutes.

[Mark]

I listen to Alex Jone all the time - he's on now over the internet on the refeed service. I think he looses it a lot because me gets frustrated with the whole game and he knows what's coming to us all if we don't wake up. He's been warning us for years about the way things are being driven - I'd get p*****d with people and I'm be the same has he if I were in that positon. I think that must of us here would also. Respect to Mr Jones.

Jordon Maxwell - have so much respect for this man also - some one who really knows his stuff and to be taken most seriously.

[Mark]

In 'Dark Mission' from Richard C. Hoagland,

They tell the fatal shot came from the front: a shooter was located
behind a concrete wall atop the ''Grassy knoll''.

peaceful salutes.

If you watch the video of the shooting you can just make out the man in the front of JFK's car turning and shooting him - hidden in plan sight...

[deepblu777]

For me....anyone who tries to use the Bible to prove anything is already discredited.

Don't blast me, I'm not 'dissing' 'the word'. The book contains some lovely ideas and parables. But they're all re-writes and edits. And I absolutely have no trust or faith in those who edited and put it together. ANY book containing as much manipulation as this would also be non-credible for me.

Actually, this whole body of research is a little like religion in the sense that NO ONE (at least, no one published) has the complete story. All of these wonderful people who do the research (my heroes) are just trying their best to tell their truth as they know it (much gratitude) and I feel like it's up to me (us) to wade through the facts to discern the truth. But when someone holds up their Bible and says "...the Bible says...", sorry....give me some facts or witnesses or something else! Right or wrong, it will show in short measure.

So glad to be here!

[Sideshow Shaman]

The point is, they are all good people taking a different path with almost the same goal. Its attempts at seperation that cause these debates and people attacking one of them.

None of them can be 100 % correct but they can all be mostly correct.

These are all people trying to incite change by spreading information. When trying to reach an audience it is often best to speak at their level. Some people that are not ready for deeper truths can still have their curiosity piqued by a Michael Moore. Making people curious is my main focus when doing 'public outreach'. Motivating people to find out for themselves is what it is all about.

So on some level these people are doing good. Of course when fabrications or misdirections get mixed in the overall value is decreased. Hopefully 'students' will realize they can only get so much from one source. However I have seen it happen many times over the past few years that once the brainwash bubble is burst people WILL develop a ravenous appetite for research.

Here at Avalon though the audience is not 'average'. So it is a bit of fun to give our opinions ranking messengers on percentage of truth presented. Most the comments here seem fairly on the mark so I'll just add a couple points of trivia.

Cory Rowe, one of the makers of Loose Change, admitted (with some embarrassment) that Moore's 9/11 movie initially motivated him start making a movie.

Down at the bottom of the list, I would put Rosie O'Donnell ahead of Michael Moore. O'Donnell has openly promoted William Rodriguez, which Moore would never have the cajones to do.

[186282]

Moore is a dis-info agent. He makes Bush out to be an idiot to distract people from the real reallity of who/what he is. Why won't he interview?? Alex caught up with him and asked about why he didn't mention the gov/Bush/Cheney connections and he replied "that would be un-american" who's america? what version of america would that be against??
I agree none of the mentioned are 100% correct about this - are any of you?? am I?? certainly not. But Alex is screaming because he knows someone has to to reach deep sleepers. We are not all the same. I have always had the mistrust of authority (I've always been "paranoid" (paranoid people are the most alert/aware people on earth) I have been told) so I didn't require the yelling but I appreciate it. Our personal differences require different meathods to reach us.
Cooper IS the man - I believe his actions were void of the intent to profit. Icke was a student of Maxwell so you can't knock one and praise the other in their intent to expose.
Maxwell Is the man - but huMAN - as we all are.
On the issue of Alex criticizing Icke - I think he was doing what he felt he had to so as not to turn off the average American to his message - imagine yourself getting up in public and speaking Ickes message to the average joe!! or that there was a deal with ETs in the 50s!!
That's why I don't criticize what I don't know. I criticize Moore - look at where his checks came from hmmmmm
Do what you have to do to wake who you can even if it means rejection or your own risk - every day has risk what are you risking it for?

[TAXMASTER]

regarding jfk:

There were atleast 3 shooters that day in dallas and none of them was lee oswald....he was truly a patsy. there were shooters on the 6th floor of the texas schoolbook depository that day. the shooter in the dal-tex building was chuck nicolletti and he was assisted by johnny roselli. the shooter on the grassy knoll was james files. there were many people present that day including other patseys in case the plan came off differently. i could go into more detail but this forum is about other things. if you want to learn more go to www.jfkmurdersolved.com

Namaste'

[Humble Janitor]

Actually i had a paragraph (deleted it) about Micheal Moore and his what i call "guilt trips". I was actually ****** off when Mr Moore brought that kid in the wheel chair and pretty much said to that employee "you shot him, K-Mart bullets shot this young man", what an *******!

I'll have to disagree with you. Moore made a good point about our gun culture and how it tends to revolve around power and fear. Call him a disinfo agent if you like but some ideas, no matter how unpopular they may be, deserve to be shared. Also, Moore himself is a lifelong member of the NRA and he was also speaking as a responsible gun owner, not just some shill filmmaker.

As for Alex Jones, I really don't have an opinion. I think he has a point in regards to 9/11 but I'm not sure if I believe half the stuff he has to say.