Zeitgeist: Project Venus Pioneers

[RaKaR]

Ladies and Gentlemen, Co-creators!

Are You tired of the Status Quo?
Do You want a Future of Your Choice and Deeds?
Are You Willing to extend a Hand to a Fellow Human Being?
Are You Ready to Move Forward?
Do You have Trust in Mankind and Reason?
Do You feel Connected to Mother Earth?
Do You view Nature and All Creatures as One and The same?
Are You convinced of The Oneness of Humanity?
Are You Craving for The New Paradigm?
Are You Calling for The Creational Laws?

You can then register here to join Project Venus.

Project Venus is the alternative future world, based on Solidarity, Reason, Spirituality, Sciences, Technologie, the Laws of Creation and, before all, Hard and Conscious work we all could build upon the Foundations laid down by 'Zeitgeist: Addendum'

It is an attempt to evolve in Harmony with Mother Nature and one's own Consciousness.

At the thread 'Wat we are supposed to do' (courtesy of Member Xammy) are practical steps and emotional/spiritual preparations toward this New Experience being thoroughly discussed.
You could also know more by going through the threads: 'Zeitgeist: Addendum, a must see' and also at Project camelot, onder Books and Movies.

The Website is (from Oct. 10th): www.thezeitgeistmovement.com

The movie-Manifest of Venus Project 'Zeitgeist: Addendum' could be viewed here:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...05277695921912


Behold The Future; it is within You.

RaKaR
www.futureofmankind.co.uk

UPDATE:

Here is the Conceptual Scheme of The Common Conscious Future:

www.thevenusproject.com

This new experimental city would be devoted to working towards the aims and goals of The Venus Project, which are:

1. Conserving all the world's resources as the common heritage of all of the Earth’s people.
2. Transcending all of the artificial boundaries that separate people.
3. Evolving from a monetary-based economy to a resource-based world economy.
4. Reclaiming and restoring the natural environment to the best of our ability.
5. Redesigning our cities, transportation systems, and agricultural and industrial plants so that they are energy efficient, clean, and conveniently serve the needs of all people.
6. Evolving towards a cybernated society that can gradually outgrow the need for all political local, national, and supra-national governments as a means of social management.
7. Sharing and applying all of the new technologies for the benefit of all nations.
8. Using clean, renewable energy sources such as wind, solar, geothermal, and tidal power, etc.
9. Ultimately utilizing the highest quality products for the benefit of all the world’s people.
10. Requiring environmental impact studies prior to construction of any mega-projects.
11. Encouraging the widest range of creativity and incentive toward constructive endeavor.
12. Assisting in stabilizing the world’s population through education and voluntary birth-control to conform to the carrying capacity of the earth.
13. Outgrowing nationalism, bigotry and prejudice through education.
14. Eliminating any type of elitism, technical or otherwise.
15. Arriving at methodologies by careful research rather than random opinions.
16. Enhancing communication in the new schools so that our language and education is relevant to the physical conditions of the world around us.
17. Providing not only the necessities of life but also offering challenges that stimulate the mind, emphasizing individuality rather than uniformity.
18. Finally, preparing people intellectually and emotionally for the possible changes that lie ahead.


Like all other innovative social proposals, it starts out with a few devoted people that dedicate their time to informing others of the humane benefits of this new direction. People are invited to participate in whatever capacity they can to help carry out the initial design phases of this new experimental city. An interdisciplinary team of systems engineers, computer programmers, architects, city planners, sociologists, psychologists, educators and the like would also be needed.

[wes_whitewolf]

I'm in!:thumb_yello:

Thank you...was wondering if others were hip to the Venus Project.:welcomeani:

Love & Light

[RaKaR]

I'm in!:thumb_yello:

Thank you...was wondering if others were hip to the Venus Project.:welcomeani:

Love & Light

You bet, Wes_Whitewolf, you bet!

It is taking pace and a little bit of Positivity and Forward Looking could do no harm, i guess...

Cheers, Comrade!

RaKaR
www.futureofmankind.co.uk

[mudra]

sign me up Rakar,

I am fully backing up project Venus.
The future is in our hands.
May all that come here pass the good word to their friends for the energy and the good will of many are needed for this project to come trough.

Kindness

mudra

[RaKaR]

Van harte Welkom aan boord, Beste Mudra!
I am delighted to have you among us.

I have to notice that it is pretty symbolic: you complete The Trinity - could one wish for a better beginning?!

To born anew from oneself is indeed utterly challenging, but we shall prevail for Creation, whose Eternal Laws we are willing to apply, will always strengthen our Volition and inspire us.

We shall actively disseminate the News, sharing it with as much People as possible, at Avalon and beyond.
I will post this Initiative by the Ground Crew Networking, within the Dutch Communities and others.

Namaste.

RaKaR
www.futureofmankind.co.uk

[dragonfly]

Are You tired of the Status Quo?
Do You want a Future of Your Choice and Deeds?
Are You Willing to extend a Hand to a Fellow Human Being?
Are You Ready to Move Forward?
Do You have Trust in Mankind and Reason?
Do You feel Connected to Mother Earth?
Do You view Nature and All Creatures as One and The same?
Are You convinced of The Oneness of Humanity?
Are You Craving for The New Paradigm?
Are You Calling for The Creational Laws?
[/url]

Yes!!
I'm in

Thank you for getting this started.

[RaKaR]

Welcome, Honorable Dragonfly.

Some challenging but great work lays ahead; your Contribution, Leadership, Care and Dedication would be highly appreciated.

Peace and Wisdom.


RaKaR
www.futureofmankind.co.uk

[Suriel]

What is Project Venus? Will it be another forum exchanging ideas of the new Earth? Other readers may want to know.

Thanks,
Suriel

[RaKaR]

Hello Surel,

Project Venus is the alternative future world, based on Solidarity, Reason, Spirituality, Sciences, Technologie, the Laws of Creation and, before all, Hard and Conscious work we all could build upon the Foundations laid down by 'Zeitgeist: Addendum':http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7065205277695921912&ei=rBLnSMuaNZrUqAPKl7TkCw&q=Zeitgeist+-+Addendum

(the website will be launched Oct. 10: www.thezeitgeistmovement.com)

It is an attempt to evolve in Harmony with Mother Nature and one's own Consciousness.

For the time being you could know more by going through the threads:'What we are supposed to do'(by Xammy, onder 'General Discussion'); 'Zeitgeist: Addendum, a must see' and also at Project camelot, onder Books and Movies.

Behold the Future, it is within You.

RaKaR
www.futureofmankind.co.uk

[Suriel]

Thanks for the information Rakar.

Peace,
Suriel

[RaKaR]

You are welcome, Surel.

Regards,

RaKaR
www.futureofmankind.co.uk

[storm4ce]

I'm in. Thank you for the initiation & work.

Future is ours.:thumb_yello:

[PerthDanny]

I love what the project stands for so count me in

[Lance]

Seems like, coughs, BS to me. The 'city' designs are nonsensical in that they do not utilize the best human-altered landscapes design system we have available now. The 'idea' of food production is simply that, an idea, untested, unverified and unproductive. Floating around the sea in a high tech thing-a-ma-jig seems like a great idea until you get marooned on the dead sea of plastic between Hawaii and California.

All in all it is kind of like a great passing of gas without capturing said gas to cook your KD....Those 'in charge' need to hone up on some basics besides bedside drawings and grand design scenarios. Looks pretty much star trekkie to me. Speaking as a Permaculture Design Consultant and all....I'd rather hit the high seas with a bunch of drunk pirates than build some useless thing with this bunch of old hippies.

[Jeff Delano]

You ever stop to think, the movie "Zeitgeist: Addendum" could have been the answer to the prayers of those who are awakened? I like what Jaques Fresco said "It's not perfect, but it's a lot better than the way it is right now." (I don't think I got the name or the phrase right but you get the jist of it ;) )

The creators of the movie did their part, hopefully the website can organize enough people to make this whole thing possible. Count me in. This whole thing can only be possible if the revolution is peaceful and the old rulers are granted amnesty. Otherwise we would be no better than the old rulers.

[Trishsgate]

I found it both positive and IMO a mixture of the future and the past (nature)combined. I think this would be a great project for sustainable living. We truly may be in need of different types of living modules. It was quite breathtaking to me as I viewed most of what was on the site. The only thing I found I would need to adjust in my life was the plastics throughout the living quarters. The transportation systems were quite inspiring as well as the future cities. I have had visions of the dome type homes but were partially underground and grouped with more than one family unit there was also a larger dome type city that was above ground and quite large which used a type of small craft to journey to. Count me in as well.

[Dominic]

I can hardly wait.

Sign me up.

Thanks

peace for all

[Bagatell]

While rallying for the demise of "religion and faith", along with banking institutions, it makes a not so subtle substitution with "Secular Humanism" ... this **** has more dogma than most major religions. Look it up and you will find this "new religion" to be filled with Utopian dreams and promises, used as a clever veneer to cover eugenics and intellectual elitism. Statements like "there is no instinctual human behavior" stinks of the agenda that says everyone can be bullied into this new "thinking process". Run, don't walk from this "Project Venus" (http://breakfornews.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4708), with the same effort to run from the current monetary system!
Whilst not an expert on Secular Humanism I have an instinctive mistrust of anyone that wants to tell me what the "The Creational Laws" are.

[RaKaR]

Welcome on board,
Storm4Ce; PerthDanny; Jeff Delano; Trishsgate; Dominic.

Lance; Bagatell, we are Co-creators, it is in our own hands.
As for the Creational Laws, they are but Harmony with Nature, they are out there in the Heart of Mother Earth; they are within Us.
We shall give Project Venus a try with all our Human Grandeur and also Imperfections.

May this Day also be in the Sign of The Spirit.

Here is then the Conceptual Scheme of The Common Conscious Future:

www.thevenusproject.com

This new experimental city would be devoted to working towards the aims and goals of The Venus Project, which are:

1. Conserving all the world's resources as the common heritage of all of the Earth’s people.
2. Transcending all of the artificial boundaries that separate people.
3. Evolving from a monetary-based economy to a resource-based world economy.
4. Reclaiming and restoring the natural environment to the best of our ability.
5. Redesigning our cities, transportation systems, and agricultural and industrial plants so that they are energy efficient, clean, and conveniently serve the needs of all people.
6. Evolving towards a cybernated society that can gradually outgrow the need for all political local, national, and supra-national governments as a means of social management.
7. Sharing and applying all of the new technologies for the benefit of all nations.
8. Using clean, renewable energy sources such as wind, solar, geothermal, and tidal power, etc.
9. Ultimately utilizing the highest quality products for the benefit of all the world’s people.
10. Requiring environmental impact studies prior to construction of any mega-projects.
11. Encouraging the widest range of creativity and incentive toward constructive endeavor.
12. Assisting in stabilizing the world’s population through education and voluntary birth-control to conform to the carrying capacity of the earth.
13. Outgrowing nationalism, bigotry and prejudice through education.
14. Eliminating any type of elitism, technical or otherwise.
15. Arriving at methodologies by careful research rather than random opinions.
16. Enhancing communication in the new schools so that our language and education is relevant to the physical conditions of the world around us.
17. Providing not only the necessities of life but also offering challenges that stimulate the mind, emphasizing individuality rather than uniformity.
18. Finally, preparing people intellectually and emotionally for the possible changes that lie ahead.


Like all other innovative social proposals, it starts out with a few devoted people that dedicate their time to informing others of the humane benefits of this new direction. People are invited to participate in whatever capacity they can to help carry out the initial design phases of this new experimental city. An interdisciplinary team of systems engineers, computer programmers, architects, city planners, sociologists, psychologists, educators and the like would also be needed.

This Projection, together with the Six Preliminary Steps, as expressed in 'Zeitgeist: Addendum', would be thoroughly discussed at the thread 'What we are supposed to do', in the section 'General Discussion'.

Namaste.


RaKaR
www.futureofmankind.co.uk

[Bagatell]

Lance; Bagatell, we are Co-creators, it is in our own hands.
As for the Creational Laws, they are but Harmony with Nature, they are out there in Mother Earth; they are within Us.
We shall give Project Venus a try with all our Human Grandeur and also Imperfections.



Please see my post re E-Prime (http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=4728)

[RaKaR]

Thanks, Bagatell; i am heading to the link you gave.

I just would like to add that we are essentially free to define our own Ways.
Within Project Venus, we would try New Ideas, adapt, correct or reject what doesn't work or might ruin the Harmony with Nature we would be seeking.

Regards,

RaKaR
www.futureofmankind.co.uk

[Lance]

Please see my post re E-Prime (http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=4728)

The I which is interpreted by what may be construed as myself concurs. And what's this gibberish about 'natural laws'. All, each and every single one of them, 'laws' are made to have an opposition. Say's ayyyeee, matey.
There seems to me to be, several rather clever re-design conceptions already without getting into untested, neo-tech without working prototypes. There is for instance the newly released hush turbine, low wind, power generator out of Australia, there is 'blue energy' tidal power coming out of the orifices of vancouver, there is Permaculture, a proven technology.

Not a single iota of appropriate technology is really listed on this 'Venus' thing. Maybe the originators are awaiting the Hathors or something to come and put all their various cruddy designs into place. The grand circle city design looks good on paper, but I would prefer to have a steam-wind-solar cogeneration plant we could all gather around and talk in place of some neural, cyber nettworky (sic) thing. I'd prefer to have each ring as densely planted with the food I and my family consumes daily as possible. Not 'parks' and other such wastes of space.

Seems to me like another bunch of urbanites wanking at their dream of quasi-rurality. No clue, no conception, no grasp of the deeper meanings of food production, animal husbandry with in food production...just a bunch of folks whom want a cleaner, safer New York. Bah, friggin' humbug. I say, good luck and safe travels on your road to serfdom if the food isn't grown right there. Let machines do it...they have been...I for one, maybe others feel different, do not like processed, GMO'd food myself. So, if the most basic of human needs is done outside the parley of the average food producer/consumer. No thanks, I'll take my chances at home.

This reeks of Tavistock programming. If your nostrils ain't tuned in, ya'll won't be getting it. C'est la vie...one or two of you might. And that, is enough for me.

[RaKaR]

Please see my post re E-Prime (http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=4728)

My sincere appreciation, Bagatell.

From now on, i affirm and state forcefully: I was, I am, I will Be!

Regards,

RaKaR
www.futureofmankind.co.uk

[Xammy]

Hey!

Its very exciting to see all this energy going in to this kind of idea!

We really should start making small lists of goals and such. To keep track of our own progress as a up and coming movement (building on the already existing movements and projects around the world involved in similar undertakings)

What I propose is a section here at Avalon, and or Blog´s and websites with:

Information about the projects that we want to push for in this world.

Ideas about local initiatives and practical action.

Perhaps we could also arrange online AND real world exhibits and workshops for the kind of visions laid out by amongst other the guy in the second half of the Zeitgeist addendum movie, Jacque Fresco.

I imagine everything from graphical representations i.e illustrations 3d views etc, to inventions, ideas presented as text in a form of library and so on..

I think these are some of the next vital steps!

And also to discuss and figure out the following;

What is this movement about?

How do we work?

What can I contribute?

How do we want to share information?

And so on...

I am very busy right now, but will return here and to other threads on this forum and others, and hopefully soon in other venues, and contribute more to the planning and actual work of making a better more thoughtful future for all of us.

Keep your cool everyone, bring out the best in each other, and show compassion!!

Peace!

:trumpet:

[RaKaR]

Thanks for your refreshing input, Xammy; this initiative owns you a lot!

Some of the ideas you brought forward are currently onder discussion at the thread you launched 'What we are supposed to do'(General Discussion' section) and Member Aware-Belgium(a Computer Genuis!) has already created a logo for our Project - you have to see that one!

Your other insights will also be thoroughly examined in order to see how we could Practically impliment them.

Take good care of yourself.


Behold the Future, it is within You.

RaKaR
www.futureofmankind.co.uk

[Greycat]

As Jaques said, it's not perfect, but it's a hell of a lot better than the alternative. I particularly like the idea of switching to a resource based society. This is key. But there are some glaring inconsistencies with the design.
Also, where will you PUT this new city? You think the NWO is going to let a free society exist and FLOURISH? How will you be accepting members? If scores of homeless people come to the gates will they be turned away? What will they be turned away with?
It's sort of a Utopian concept when you look at it in a realistic manner.
HOWEVER, I'm DOWN as it's alot better than the alternative.

[RaKaR]

As Jaques said, it's not perfect, but it's a hell of a lot better than the alternative. I particularly like the idea of switching to a resource based society. This is key. But there are some glaring inconsistencies with the design.
Also, where will you PUT this new city? You think the NWO is going to let a free society exist and FLOURISH? How will you be accepting members? If scores of homeless people come to the gates will they be turned away? What will they be turned away with?
It's sort of a Utopian concept when you look at it in a realistic manner.
HOWEVER, I'm DOWN as it's alot better than the alternative.

Good points, Greycat.

There are obviously a number of things we, our children, our grandchildren eventually, will have to invest lots of ingeniosity, skills, time and will to sort out. It is a challenging and long process; as i put it in a previous post, it is quite difficult to born anew from your own self - and creating such a Reality out of what we have right now could indeed seem rather utopical.
But, hey! Did we straight away think, accept or believe that the Earth is actually round? That man could walk on the moon? That a wireless telephone was possible? That human Organs could be transplanted? Creatures cloned?
So, it is really up to us.
The Powers-that-be would certainly do their best(worst!) to thwart to whole concept, to shake our Will and enslave our Spirit, which means, as stated in 'Zeitgeist", that we will have to be extremely vigilant and go thoroughly through the Preliminaries(personal Self commitment and Actions for Social Transformation) to unsure our Freedom of Choice and Self determination.
We here at Avalon are not alone; we do our best and add that to what other People, upon Egal Grounds, would bring forward.
I can personal not answer to all your questions, but i will certainly invest all my strength to give this Project some shape and Content.

Your contribution to the discussion at 'What we are supposed to do' in 'General Discussion' would be truly appreciated.

Regards,
RaKaR
www.futureofmankind.co.uk

PS: Greycat,
One of our Pioneers just informed me that there is actually a PROTOTYPE of the CITY you wondered about in Fla, USA.
Conceptual Models and the scientific measure of their sustainability could be also be viewed and challenged at: www.thevenusproject.com

Regards.

[Suriel]

An idea or thought energy manifests into reality. As the old world dies the new world begins. What may seem impossible will be possible in the new world. While we awaken, these changes can occur naturally through time. Mutual cooperation will take hold of this new concept in the thousand years of peace.

So it doesn't hurt to prepare and talk about new ideas that can benefit our future for the world. In the mean time, do the best you can in this reality.

[RaKaR]

An idea or thought energy manifests into reality. As the old world dies the new world begins. What may seem impossible will be possible in the new world. While we awaken, these changes can occur naturally through time. Mutual cooperation will take hold of this new concept in the thousand years of peace.

So it doesn't hurt to prepare and talk about new ideas that can benefit our future for the world. In the mean time, do the best you can in this reality.

Those are truly wise words, Suriel!

We would certainly not evolve or gain anything substantial through inaction and apathy.

Cheers!

RaKaR
www.futureofmankind.co.uk

[QueenOfLeon]

Im in!! I hada vivid dream some months ago of a city in the middle of the ocean and when I stumbled across the venus project I knew straight away thats what I dreamt of. Its the best template for a new future I have seen thus far, and the principles resonate completely. Its what I have always touched on whilst fantasising about utopia but never been quite clever enough to envisage myself. Kudos to Mr. Fresco.

I want one of those thunderbird houses!!

[Jeff Delano]

I want to add a quick note. If you are reading about this whole Venus Project thing and think that you don't have to join any movement or work hard because on 12/21/2012 you are going to ascend and become a higher being because you are awakened, you are entirely wrong. You might be right about the whole ascending thing, but you will definately have to do your work in these next 4 years. Just wanted to clear that up in case someone had the lazy mentality ;)

[RaKaR]

Im in!! I hada vivid dream some months ago of a city in the middle of the ocean and when I stumbled across the venus project I knew straight away thats what I dreamt of. Its the best template for a new future I have seen thus far, and the principles resonate completely. Its what I have always touched on whilst fantasising about utopia but never been quite clever enough to envisage myself. Kudos to Mr. Fresco.

I want one of those thunderbird houses!!

Welcome on board, QueenOfLeon.

We will surely find great comfort and inspiration in your company.
The discussions towards the practical realization of the Project are being held at 'What we are supposed to' by Xammy(in the 'General Discussion' section).

Looking forward to enjoying(and positively challenging!) your contribution.

Behold the Future, it is within You.

RaKaR
www.futureofmankind.co.uk

[RaKaR]

I want to add a quick note. If you are reading about this whole Venus Project thing and think that you don't have to join any movement or work hard because on 12/21/2012 you are going to ascend and become a higher being because you are awakened, you are entirely wrong. You might be right about the whole ascending thing, but you will definately have to do your work in these next 4 years. Just wanted to clear that up in case someone had the lazy mentality ;)

Well done, Jeff Delano; it is always useful to check one's rank!

Cheers!

RaKaR
www.futureofmankind.co.uk

[Connecting with Sauce]

I'm in... but we may need a few more than we have here... ~6 billion to ~15 we have our work cut out.

I want free energy, ultimate health, harmony, etc etc

...But on the way to work I saw three to four chem trails being made in the sky and took loads of pictutres and one tracking movie on my mobile... then the thread today about avian flu and chemtrails... Evil will be counter acted by the 15 of us :)

[RaKaR]

I'm in... but we may need a few more than we have here... ~6 billion to ~15 we have our work cut out.

I want free energy, ultimate health, harmony, etc etc

...But on the way to work I saw three to four chem trails being made in the sky and took loads of pictutres and one tracking movie on my mobile... then the thread today about avian flu and chemtrails... Evil will be counter acted by the 15 of us :)

Welcome, Connecting with Sauce.

Step in with Peace and Determination, for there is some work cut out!
One Person can make a Difference, 15 - a Wonder...
See you at 'What we are you supposed to' by Xammy.

Behold the Future, it is within You.

RaKaR
www.futureofmankind.co.uk

[watchZEITGEISTnow]

Im there too thanks for the info!

I have one thing to ask all who watched the new Zeitgeist, near the last 15 minutes there were about 3 or 4 times when I actually felt a pulse and surge go right into my heart shukra, and it was most intense and emotional.

Like a wave of heightened love entering my whole body. Very moving.

Love everything :original:

Z

[Phtha]

As Jaques said, it's not perfect, but it's a hell of a lot better than the alternative.

Jaques also said that it is impossible to have a perfect society. I agree, so my question then becomes, why bother trying?
In my opinion we need to dissolve the idea of societies and CULT-ures all together.
And just be.

[Bagatell]

As Jaques said, it's not perfect, but it's a hell of a lot better than the alternative

You mean ther´s only one alternative? I doubt that.

[RaKaR]

Im there too thanks for the info!

I have one thing to ask all who watched the new Zeitgeist, near the last 15 minutes there were about 3 or 4 times when I actually felt a pulse and surge go right into my heart shukra, and it was most intense and emotional.

Like a wave of heightened love entering my whole body. Very moving.

Love everything :original:

Z

Welcome on board, watchZEITGEISTnow; it is an honor to have you around.
Make sure your sleeves are sufficiently rolled back, for there is truly plenty of work to do.

See you then at the thread 'What we are supposed to do' by Xammy(in the section 'General Discussion') for further discussion about the steps we could reasonably take to achieve our goals.

Bagatell,
There are certainly other alternatives out there; no one stated(at least in 'Zeitgeist: Addendum') that this Path the only one is. No one told us to go for this very Path. We freely choose to try to Realize it.
You are also free to reject it for something else that better resonates with you.

Phtha,
Idem.

Behold the Future, it is within You.

RaKaR
www.futureofmankind.co.uk

[Aware_Belgium]

here's a poster i made for Zeitgeist / Venus Project, 2 formats for desktops or printing:

http://www.4shared.com/file/66332765/bc073bb1/Zeitgeist_and_venus_poster.html?

[RaKaR]

As Jaques said, it's not perfect, but it's a hell of a lot better than the alternative. I particularly like the idea of switching to a resource based society. This is key. But there are some glaring inconsistencies with the design.
Also, where will you PUT this new city? You think the NWO is going to let a free society exist and FLOURISH? How will you be accepting members? If scores of homeless people come to the gates will they be turned away? What will they be turned away with?
It's sort of a Utopian concept when you look at it in a realistic manner.
HOWEVER, I'm DOWN as it's alot better than the alternative.

Hi again, Member Greycat,

Regarding some of your questions:

One of our Pioneers just informed me that there is actually a PROTOTYPE of the CITY you wondered about in Fla, USA.
Conceptual Models and the scientific measure of their sustainability could be also be viewed and challenged at: www.thevenusproject.com

Regards.

RaKaR
www.futureofmankind.co.uk

[Trippin Ninja]

Since I live in central Florida I was going to try and visit this place but it looks like they have it up for sale now. :sad:
http://www.flalandsale.com/

[RaKaR]

Since I live in central Florida I was going to try and visit this place but it looks like they have it up for sale now. :sad:
http://www.flalandsale.com/

Hi Trippin Ninja,

I saw that one, thanks. I do not know much about that place and the role it was supposed to play - apart from the fact that one could go there, see it and have an idea of the housing concept.
Building a prototype seems a good idea to me.

Regards,

RaKaR
www.futureofmankind.co.uk

[RaKaR]

Pioneers from Avalon,

'Zeitgeist' is up and running.
Go to www.thezeitgeistmovement.com to register.

Behold the Future; it is within You.

RaKaR
www.futureofmankind.co.uk

[ideagoras]

I hope that the focus of your project and all the material interpretations of social, economic, political and other systems and their organization will be based on creating an environment where humanity's spiritual (albeit not religious) advancement will be the focus.
The material manifestation no matter how promising the Utopia may appear is an empty shell without the God Head, the divine being within.

[RaKaR]

I admire and applaud the cause and this initial proffering of a solution. I most respectfully disagree with how some here have expressed it (and I say this without criticism or judgement), but I do not believe the issue should be about whether one is "in/out" of this project. The artificial construct of the division/alienation of humanity is an ego-based, fear-based, and ignorance-based perspective. I believe there will be other solutions/ manifestations (hopefully many others) for humanity inspired by this project. For the movement behind this is the greater movement of humanity's collective transition out of its existing global "karmic wheel" (to borrow from one school of thought to describe this spiritual/material phenomena at the level of the individual), the karma of which has been building up, accumulating and it may very well point to the year 2012 as that ultimate point of release. The price will be steep, as steep as a 100 billion accumulated wrongs, a 100 billion acts of inhumanity, a 100 billion instances of hell. The price will undoubted be the collective suffering that we ourselves have caused and are now seeing unfold before our very eyes. Humanity's transition and advancement will be hard earned, for there are simply no short cuts for genuine spiritual advancement.

Such is the price to know God, the Divine, the Infinite. Such is the price to know ourselves. Such is the price to know love, to value life as a precious gift which we can share with others.

I hope that the focus of your project and all the material interpretations of social, economic, political and other systems and their organization will be based on creating an environment where humanity's spiritual (albeit not religious) advancement will be maximized. Humanity needs a billion Jesus(es), a billion Buddhas, a billion Mohameds, a billion Hindu masters--in other words people who related with each other from the heart, from the soul, from our infinities.

The material manifestation no matter how promising the Utopia may appear is an empty shell without the God Head, the divine being within.

Amen, ideagoras!

Thanks for your insights; Spirituality is certainly the Key.
As far as i can judge, this aspect is not neglected within Project Venus, in the contrary.
The second part of 'Zeitgeist: Addendum' is indeed entirely dedicated to the call to overcome one's own limitations and to aim at some genuine Spiritual Growth.
Furthermore, the points 2 and 18 and to a lesser extend 17 of the Declaration of Intentions of Project Venus(see below) onderline this necessity.

I do not know how this project is being perceived and/or presented by some other people on this Forum - as you seemed to point out - but for me it is just an option among many possible others.
I just feel so far at home here.

Regards,

RaKaR
www.futureofmankind.co.uk


1. Conserving all the world's resources as the common heritage of all of the Earth’s people.
2. Transcending all of the artificial boundaries that separate people.
3. Evolving from a monetary-based economy to a resource-based world economy.
4. Reclaiming and restoring the natural environment to the best of our ability.
5. Redesigning our cities, transportation systems, and agricultural and industrial plants so that they are energy efficient, clean, and conveniently serve the needs of all people.
6. Evolving towards a cybernated society that can gradually outgrow the need for all political local, national, and supra-national governments as a means of social management.
7. Sharing and applying all of the new technologies for the benefit of all nations.
8. Using clean, renewable energy sources such as wind, solar, geothermal, and tidal power, etc.
9. Ultimately utilizing the highest quality products for the benefit of all the world’s people.
10. Requiring environmental impact studies prior to construction of any mega-projects.
11. Encouraging the widest range of creativity and incentive toward constructive endeavor.
12. Assisting in stabilizing the world’s population through education and voluntary birth-control to conform to the carrying capacity of the earth.
13. Outgrowing nationalism, bigotry and prejudice through education.
14. Eliminating any type of elitism, technical or otherwise.
15. Arriving at methodologies by careful research rather than random opinions.
16. Enhancing communication in the new schools so that our language and education is relevant to the physical conditions of the world around us.
17. Providing not only the necessities of life but also offering challenges that stimulate the mind, emphasizing individuality rather than uniformity.
18. Finally, preparing people intellectually and emotionally for the possible changes that lie ahead.

[ideagoras]

Thanks.

[Jeff Delano]

Jaques also said that it is impossible to have a perfect society. I agree, so my question then becomes, why bother trying?
In my opinion we need to dissolve the idea of societies and CULT-ures all together.
And just be.

You can live in the world right now and dream of a world where everyone can just be and there are no societies that separate, or you can accept reality and actuality and know that we need to move away from a monetary based society.

It's your choice.

[Truth voice 2012]

Started building my free energy generator last month so I guess Im in without even realising it. WUP WUP! This thread resonates the most positive vibes ive seen yet on this forum. I feel great after reading this. Ive been really suicidle last few weeks with all the doom and gloom stuff and this really helped. Thanks everyone.

[martian31v]

i am very excited about the zeitgeist/venus project. but there are many fundamental problems with transitioning into a resource based economy that is acceptable to a large base of individuals. what is the means/process of distribution? how does citizen 1 get food, citizen 2 clothing, ect??? there has to be a means of exchange. the LETS system (wiki: local exchange trading systems) can address some of these problems, and without the use of money or accumulation of wealth. but this system runs into problems when trying to include higher end items (cars,houses,vacations,ect) we need to focus on systems of distribution that do not accumulate wealth, and provide us a high standard of living. i dont want to live on a farm and trade fruit for heating oil. i want to live in a technologically advanced society where wealth and prosperity is shared equally. how do we get there from here? great thread btw, martian31v

[NorthernSanctuary]

I remember in the sixties when the promise of technology to give more time to people was part of the promise of the future. Robots would do housework, do the farming to grow food, etc. Technologically this is feasible and within our grasp. What has happened, inspite of the immense advances in computers, AI, is that we have much less free time, always rushing like crazy, and our quality of life is decreased to an extend where all we want is to try to stay above water.

The present big challenge is to find a process, a way to transition to a society where the physical needs of food, shelter are met, and we have more free time to work on our mental/ spiritual aspects. The established powers do not want this, so making a successful transition is a "big" job. If it has a chance to succeed, it will be because the exisiting infrastructure will collapse from its own weight, and this new network of Avalon communities is organised enough to be built up. This is my assessment of our present situation and the challenge we face.

[RaKaR]

Started building my free energy generator last month so I guess Im in without even realising it. WUP WUP! This thread resonates the most positive vibes ive seen yet on this forum. I feel great after reading this. Ive been really suicidle last few weeks with all the doom and gloom stuff and this really helped. Thanks everyone.

Welcome on this challenging Path, Truth voice 2012; your spirituality, thoughts, commitment and skills would be very needed.
But it looks like you are rather a Quick One; with your energy generator you have already taken some sound lead with regard to the individual steps towards the realization of Project Venus, namely point 4 - A/ Preliminaries: Actions for Social Transformation (individual Self Commitment).
[...]

4- Boycott The Energy Companies
-) Move to Clean Energy; make Your Home and Car Self Sustainable.

[...]
Bravo!

Looking forward to your assessment of the tasks ahead and to your contribution on other areas at the thread 'What we are supposed to do' by Xammy, in section 'General Discussion'.

Martian31v,
We are only trying to set the basis by expressing our will to take upon the challenge, by testing the faisability, in practical and human sense, of the whole project.
There are obviously enough questions we will try to answer as satisfactory as Humanly possible as we smoothly move forward and we would certainly need all our Spirit, heart and mind to respond to the logistical and purely Spiritual requirements of Project Venus.
NorthernSantuary,
I can only agree with you: it is highly dialectical.


Behold the Future; it is within You.

RaKaR
www.futureofmankind.co.uk

[Phtha]

You can live in the world right now and dream of a world where everyone can just be and there are no societies that separate, or you can accept reality and actuality and know that we need to move away from a monetary based society.

It's your choice.

Yup it's our choice, and there are far more choices for a society then the 1
we are living in now and the 1 that this movie brings up.
Who is going to rule this society?
We all want and need change so bad that a very real danger arises.
That danger being the fact that we will be tempted to jump at the 1st opportunity towards a positive shift that presents itself.

I thought this move was great and it can't be denied that the vision presented within is far better then the one we are living now. But lets not be to
hasty. At least I'm not going to be.

Btw does anyone know why they chose is called Project Venus? I find it an odd name for
many reasons.

[J_rod7]

*
** Good to See ALL who have come here, a BIG Hello

Oh Yes, I'm Onboard with This Project Venus :thumb_yello:

There is a strong Vortex of ENERGY forming up here, LOTS of Very GOOD ideas.

A Question occurs to my Mind: Are Jaques and the other Planners at Project Venus yet Aware of ALL this Support being generated here.? If they are not, they should be made Aware. Perhaps = forward Copies of Postings from here to Jaques at P-Venus.

I am also suggesting to send an Invitation for all those Planners, Coordinators, Thinkers, Pioneers, et al, at Project Venus to join with us us here in this Forum. Opening the Channels of Interactive Communication would greatly expedite phases of the Project.

There are a LOT of very talented people here at Project Avalon, from whom ideas become as Fuel for Positive Direction, Spiritual Growth, and 'Git-er-Done' know-how. :wink2:

Some here have expressed some Confusion as to Creations Laws. For the 'beginning' of Understanding for this Valuable Truth, please read at this Link:
http://www.theyfly.com/PDF/IntroToSpiritual%20Teachings.pdf

I will only add here: Creations Laws Supersede ALL laws of man or 'gods'. All the known "laws of Physics, Nature, Sociology, Biology, Cosmology, and etc." are SUBSETS of the Laws of Creation. The knowledge of Truth is a Light which illuminates the Spirit.

And, FWI, I have Permission from Michael Horn to Post this Link:

http://www.theyfly.com/

** In Peace
*

[dolphin]

the VENUS PROJECT resonnates as the most thought-out solution to our world crisis paradigm! i know michael st. claire speaks of radiant zones...i just imagined his to be v. rural and non technical. this to me is THE RADIANT ZONE which addresses social, economic, and, environmental challenges!

All the other solutions on this forum seemed too vague and w/too many unanswered questions. this to me is a utopia which i get very excited about. truly an amazing concept and aesthetically beautiful!. wish it was built now! the jetsons, here we come!!

Rakar, what is your specific role w the Venus Project. can you tell us?

[Kelle Baley]

[Quote; And what's this gibberish about 'natural laws'. All, each and every single one of them, 'laws' are made to have an opposition. ... Amen to this lanc(ifer)! we learn best with opposites how to balance great diversity.
Quote: This reeks of Tavistock programming. If your nostrils ain't tuned in, ya'll won't be getting it. C'est la vie...one or two of you might. And that, is enough for me.[/QUOTE] I plan to research Tavistock programming to peer in on just what effects this holds.

Lanc(ifer); you are from a Rock of purity and your voice screams instinctive from knowing above the heads of most -unwilling to really free truth from the deception. As for this project on your watch- mine says the same time..It is not for me and it will NOT work FOR THOSE THAT ARE AWAKE AND AWARE// let us hope that it will not be a possible for some whom will find themselves awakening in such places before the awareness hits them.
WE are a tribe of beings designed perfectly to share in union with the Earth as an exclusive exchange toward initiation of enlightenment.
The Venus project feels as a false prophet organizing some vision without the refined sense of the whole, only the sight of plugging a hole we created on the way to here with fictitious promises. WE should ask these solicitors to go away. They possibly seek to get the anchor of the collective conscious by way of Avalon members.

As it seems to many to be the answer to what is now needed and that of a wonder to engage, I am feeling the brakes go on full hold when I read about Cybernated systems. Perhaps Venus will explain to us what exactly this means for HOW it is that this results:

"Evolving towards a CYBERNATED society that can gradually outgrow the need for all political local, national, and supra-national governments as a means of social management". If it is E-prime motivated, which is likely from cyber based systemic planning, or implanting, what then does this rabbit hole lead to?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search/E-Prime_(software

/and how about adding this thought of the day - what our scientist have been employed doing of late.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuroscience

Education from current events here; Could this be part of what is wanted in this Utopia?
Genetic Experiments And DNA Ownership Without Consent
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgrmtMBJjcg

Humanity is in a priceless equipped meta-designed vessel waiting to be ignited and sovereign to then create anew. We cannot think that we are not being profiled for joining encampment from sources with nefarious means. Our vessels have long been sought for and will perhaps be fought over by 2012, why do you suppose? We very well could be stamped, sourced and packaged for other sources to utilize our inheritance as its own. It can only do this with compliance and acceptance to join its program of reality. WE have free will to choose. We must first remember how to feel our choices. The technology we most must practice and share is that inner one of peace; use it to come together and survey together options to act. Feel again and know again this inner technology is now in full scope to use and is human organically needed and based.

Why does Venus only offer part of a picture for this supposed societal breakthrough? Not offering this publicly, is suspicious.
Analysis of Cybernated systems or structures is a deepening sign of dependency, not inter-dependency upon life for humankind anyway. perhaps it will be great for those that are cross over alien/human forms..no offense intended and no defense felt; as this may soon purge the higher ancient ways of being a tribe again rather then blend with those not inwardly designed for such.

How can we reveal if this is not another form of indoctrination waiting to have participants? Materialism gave rise to the need for community with a singular spirit guidance that is utterly in merge with our DNA. Let us not fall prey to something not in total identification with our inner systemic organically based needs ecologically and biologically; Lest we become a Matrix of cyber-nation citizens. Re-education of how we live is what is up on the drawing board but while this is true, why are we not focused on hammering out the things which unfold potentials first, such as deregulation gone mad. The Bail out Bill is a bothering sign of this same lack of realism for all peoples. Miriam Delacado deftly mentions the notion of researching the etymology of seeds. We are the metaphor of a seed's survival searching yet for another way to live in harmony again with our own seeds and from our own root. What about Venus feels of this? Zero, for me.

Feel what you survey, then seek the truth by allowing questions no matter what is in front of you.

Project Avalon was born for this role and with our input, there is a need to survey many ideas that need to surface; yet first, we need to be sensible, remain honest with ourselves and fully grounded to our own experience of truth. Does it not make sense to first conclude that rebuilding of society should then call upon localized groups to volunteer forming by similar mind set to thrive from what we now can collectively contribute rather than economic circumstance implying membership to a Way that is Utopian blueprinted by a few?. Do you feel the truth about Venus and its Way of project-ive solutions?
Let me hear from you on this as you realize from your own insights.

[RaKaR]

Yup it's our choice, and there are far more choices for a society then the 1
we are living in now and the 1 that this movie brings up.
Who is going to rule this society?
We all want and need change so bad that a very real danger arises.
That danger being the fact that we will be tempted to jump at the 1st opportunity towards a positive shift that presents itself.

I thought this move was great and it can't be denied that the vision presented within is far better then the one we are living now. But lets not be to
hasty. At least I'm not going to be.

Btw does anyone know why they chose is called Project Venus? I find it an odd name for
many reasons.

Honorable Member Phtha, what should we then wait for?

Regards,

RakaR
www.futureofmankind.co.uk

[RaKaR]

*
** Good to See ALL who have come here, a BIG Hello

Oh Yes, I'm Onboard with This Project Venus :thumb_yello:

There is a strong Vortex of ENERGY forming up here, LOTS of Very GOOD ideas.

A Question occurs to my Mind: Are Jaques and the other Planners at Project Venus yet Aware of ALL this Support being generated here.? If they are not, they should be made Aware. Perhaps = forward Copies of Postings from here to Jaques at P-Venus.

I am also suggesting to send an Invitation for all those Planners, Coordinators, Thinkers, Pioneers, et al, at Project Venus to join with us us here in this Forum. Opening the Channels of Interactive Communication would greatly expedite phases of the Project.

There are a LOT of very talented people here at Project Avalon, from whom ideas become as Fuel for Positive Direction, Spiritual Growth, and 'Git-er-Done' know-how. :wink2:

Some here have expressed some Confusion as to Creations Laws. For the 'beginning' of Understanding for this Valuable Truth, please read at this Link:
http://www.theyfly.com/PDF/IntroToSpiritual%20Teachings.pdf

I will only add here: Creations Laws Supersede ALL laws of man or 'gods'. All the known "laws of Physics, Nature, Sociology, Biology, Cosmology, and etc." are SUBSETS of the Laws of Creation. The knowledge of Truth is a Light which illuminates the Spirit.

And, FWI, I have Permission from Michael Horn to Post this Link:

http://www.theyfly.com/

** In Peace
*

Right on, Herr J_rod7!

Welcome on board. What a tremendous Uplifting!
Your suggestions could be discussed by the Pioneers here at the thread 'What we are supposed to do' by Xammy(section 'General Discussion', or see direct link in one of the posts above) - your further contribution would also be greatly appreciated.

Creation Rules and Inspires!

Salome.:-)

Pioneer Dolphin,
I will shorty send you a note about your 'ps-question' on your personal page here at Avalon; i can already tell you that i am another 'Mortal' just like you and all the rest.
I heard of Project Venus less than a week ago( precisely on the(un)famous Oct. 7!), through 'Zeitgeist: Addendum' - i wrote pretty lenghty about this personal experience at the thread 'What we are supposed to do' by Xammy.
See you there, right?!

Behold the Future; it is within You.

RaKaR
www.futureofmankind.co.uk

[RaKaR]

[Quote; And what's this gibberish about 'natural laws'. All, each and every single one of them, 'laws' are made to have an opposition. ... Amen to this lanc(ifer)! we learn best with opposites how to balance great diversity.
Quote: This reeks of Tavistock programming. If your nostrils ain't tuned in, ya'll won't be getting it. C'est la vie...one or two of you might. And that, is enough for me. I plan to research Tavistock programming to peer in on just what effects this holds.

Lanc(ifer); you are from a Rock of purity and your voice screams instinctive from knowing above the heads of most -unwilling to really free truth from the deception. As for this project on your watch- mine says the same time..It is not for me and it will NOT work FOR THOSE THAT ARE AWAKE AND AWARE// let us hope that it will not be a possible for some whom will find themselves awakening in such places before the awareness hits them.
WE are a tribe of beings designed perfectly to share in union with the Earth as an exclusive exchange toward initiation of enlightenment.
The Venus project feels as a false prophet organizing some vision without the refined sense of the whole, only the sight of plugging a hole we created on the way to here with fictitious promises. WE should ask these solicitors to go away. They possibly seek to get the anchor of the collective conscious by way of Avalon members.

As it seems to many to be the answer to what is now needed and that of a wonder to engage, I am feeling the brakes go on full hold when I read about Cybernated systems. Perhaps Venus will explain to us what exactly this means for HOW it is that this results:

"Evolving towards a CYBERNATED society that can gradually outgrow the need for all political local, national, and supra-national governments as a means of social management". If it is E-prime motivated, which is likely from cyber based systemic planning, or implanting, what then does this rabbit hole lead to?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search/E-Prime_(software

/and how about adding this thought of the day - what our scientist have been employed doing of late.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuroscience

Education from current events here; Could this be part of what is wanted in this Utopia?
Genetic Experiments And DNA Ownership Without Consent
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgrmtMBJjcg

Humanity is in a priceless equipped meta-designed vessel waiting to be ignited and sovereign to then create anew. We cannot think that we are not being profiled for joining encampment from sources with nefarious means. Our vessels have long been sought for and will perhaps be fought over by 2012, why do you suppose? We very well could be stamped, sourced and packaged for other sources to utilize our inheritance as its own. It can only do this with compliance and acceptance to join its program of reality. WE have free will to choose. We must first remember how to feel our choices. The technology we most must practice and share is that inner one of peace; use it to come together and survey together options to act. Feel again and know again this inner technology is now in full scope to use and is human organically needed and based.

Why does Venus only offer part of a picture for this supposed societal breakthrough? Not offering this publicly, is suspicious.
Analysis of Cybernated systems or structures is a deepening sign of dependency, not inter-dependency upon life for humankind anyway. perhaps it will be great for those that are cross over alien/human forms..no offense intended and no defense felt; as this may soon purge the higher ancient ways of being a tribe again rather then blend with those not inwardly designed for such.

How can we reveal if this is not another form of indoctrination waiting to have participants? Materialism gave rise to the need for community with a singular spirit guidance that is utterly in merge with our DNA. Let us not fall prey to something not in total identification with our inner systemic organically based needs ecologically and biologically; Lest we become a Matrix of cyber-nation citizens. Re-education of how we live is what is up on the drawing board but while this is true, why are we not focused on hammering out the things which unfold potentials first, such as deregulation gone mad. The Bail out Bill is a bothering sign of this same lack of realism for all peoples. Miriam Delacado deftly mentions the notion of researching the etymology of seeds. We are the metaphor of a seed's survival searching yet for another way to live in harmony again with our own seeds and from our own root. What about Venus feels of this? Zero, for me.

Feel what you survey, then seek the truth by allowing questions no matter what is in front of you.

Project Avalon was born for this role and with our input, there is a need to survey many ideas that need to surface; yet first, we need to be sensible, remain honest with ourselves and fully grounded to our own experience of truth. Does it not make sense to first conclude that rebuilding of society should then call upon localized groups to volunteer forming by similar mind set to thrive from what we now can collectively contribute rather than economic circumstance implying membership to a Way that is Utopian blueprinted by a few?. Do you feel the truth about Venus and its Way of project-ive solutions?
Let me hear from you on this as you realize from your own insights.[/QUOTE]





Yes, Member Kelle Baley, i do feel the truth about Venus and its Way of project-ive solutions.

Isn't gathering and critically examining information( both intuitively and by way of contre-checking); building Sound Communities upon shared views and values and drawing plans in order to move forward, upon Rationality, Faisability and Harmony with Nature and Mother earth the True Essence of Project Avalon?

Regards,

RakaR
www.futureofmankind.co.uk

[RaKaR]

Yes, Member Kelle Baley, i do feel the truth about Venus and its Way of project-ive solutions.

Isn't gathering and critically examining information( both intuitively and by way of contre-checking); building Sound Communities upon shared views and values and drawing plans in order to move forward, upon Rationality, Faisability and Harmony with Nature and Mother earth the True Essence of Project Avalon?

Regards,

RakaR
www.futureofmankind.co.uk

[Peer]

Hai rakar, zet mij ook maar op de lijst.

It is a great relief to read all those ideas I've been having since the early seventies on the internet now.
I am finally convinced I am not crazy but the system is.
Just as I thought.
Can't wait till the whole verdomde (glad there is no dutch filtering) structure finally collapses so we can start something new that benefits the whole of humanity instead of a few rich.
Let's go for it.

[Reveling John]

I am also suggesting to send an Invitation for all those Planners, Coordinators, Thinkers, Pioneers, et al, at Project Venus to join with us us here in this Forum. Opening the Channels of Interactive Communication would greatly expedite phases of the Project.


This is a GREAT IDEA! Way to get those cogs spinning, J_rod.:lmfao:

[RaKaR]

Hai rakar, zet mij ook maar op de lijst.

It is a great relief to read all those ideas I've been having since the early seventies on the internet now.
I am finally convinced I am not crazy but the system is.
Just as I thought.
Can't wait till the whole verdomde (glad there is no dutch filtering) structure finally collapses so we can start something new that benefits the whole of humanity instead of a few rich.
Let's go for it.

Hoi, Pioneer Peer!( Wat klinkt dit toch goed!)

Tis gedaan, U staat er al keurig op - ik heb Oranje-Ijsland(1-0,) verlaten om dit hoogst Geestelijke Moment direct mee te kunnen maken.

Hartstikke welkom aan boord; het is een Grote Eer U erbij te hebben.

See you then at the thread 'What we are supposed to do' by Xammy(in section 'General Discussion' for updates en practical steps.

Your contribution would be highly appreciated.

Hup in Vrede!

RaKaR
www.futureofmankind.co.uk

PS:"I am finally convinced I am not crazy but the system is.
Just as I thought.": bekend gevoel.

[RaKaR]

This is a GREAT IDEA! Way to get those cogs spinning, J_rod.:lmfao:

Pioneer J_rod7 rocks!

Cheers, Gentleman!

RaKaR
www.futureofmankind.co.uk

[Kelle Baley]

Yes, Member Kelle Baley, i do feel the truth about Venus and its Way of project-ive solutions.

Isn't gathering and critically examining information( both intuitively and by way of contre-checking); building Sound Communities upon shared views and values and drawing plans in order to move forward, upon Rationality, Faisability and Harmony with Nature and Mother earth the True Essence of Project Avalon?

Regards,

RakaR
www.futureofmankind.co.uk
Yes, RaKaR -I am now gathering, and critically examining for this purpose as it is eminently going to be needed. I see the islands of light even now in our soon future but this one should not be erected.

I am still waiting for my own inner feeling about this grouping change. I purposely am asked to attune no further than what I have nor say much else than the following publicly. In private, I am at your service as I am not a doomsday seer. I am with path correction upon the Golden one.

Here is what exactly I hear-
"It has been handed to another source whom on the surface seems to fit nicely"

I hope that I am wrong and you all will later inform me of your personal joy from this community's divine and inspiring ways that support the entirety of what is says it aims to do.

With inner messaging such as the one above, I could never consider the endeavor as Golden to support by personal consent and I am sure about my choice.

[RaKaR]

Hi, Member Kelle Baley,

Thanks for your insights and your tact.
I would appreciate any further elaboration in any way which suits you and the circumstances.

Regards,

RaKaR
www.futureofmankind.co.uk

[RaKaR]

Hi, Member Kelle Baley,

Thanks for your insights and your tact.
I would appreciate any further elaboration in any way which suits you and the circumstances.

Regards,

RaKaR
www.futureofmankind.co.uk


Member Kelle Baley,

You gave no answer to my question.
For the sake of transparency:

anything beneath this, no.

i would be pleased to exchange information which could benefit us all. I hope you understand my resignation to your friend request until I know you better.

I am absolutely in appreciation for all as we are ALL of us family. I am, however, unfavorable toward exchange with you that is in absolution toward the goal of supporting Venus project. I will, however open up to have a private conversation with you at any time in regards to your involvement. How are you involved and who is the founder? Have you been employed in anyway toward this project?

sincerely


You good right, Member Kelle Baley.

You could find all answers to all your questions by taking the time to go through three of the threads dedicated to the study of 'Zeitgeist: Addendum/Project Venus' on the forum, namely 'Zeitgeist- interactive'; 'What we are supposed to do' and the one, by which i got the honor to interact with you.

Would you mind if i post this message on the main page?



Peace and Wisdom.

RaKaR
www.futureofmankind.co.uk

[Phtha]

Honorable Member Phtha, what should we then wait for?


To put it simply, we should wait for the right opportunity.
Whatever that might be. :naughty:

We've all got ideas I'm sure.

[peacelovinman]

I will only add here: Creations Laws Supersede ALL laws of man or 'gods'. All the known "laws of Physics, Nature, Sociology, Biology, Cosmology, and etc." are SUBSETS of the Laws of Creation. The knowledge of Truth is a Light which illuminates the Spirit.

** In Peace
*

And that is why a techoncratic society is destructive. Machines are another barrier between us and the Earth that sustains us. Creation provides everything Man needs to survive.

[RaKaR]

i have seen both Zeitgeist movies and I am not at liberty to say further than I have about my inner viewpoint for the Venus Project.
I would ask you of your intent to post the above conversation to our public eye. What good would this prove to anyone outside you and I?
regards.[/QUOTE]


Namaste, Member Kelle Baley,

Also the answer to this question can be found in the posting you made mention of: the sake of transparency.
You are an intuitive person, you should understand that i would share all information with The Family, no matter how disturbing it might be, for everyone around here is seeking Awakening and Spiritual Growth and is therefore Self responsible - my personal responsibillity could be eventually to find the right way to present it, so that the Inner Peace of others won't be greatly disturbed.
In a time when we are rightly expecting a shift of Consciousness, when we dream(quite possibly also rightly) of accessing telepathy and Oneness, i do not think that there is still room for secrecy.
I have to say that it was rather surprised by your wish to discuss this issue privately. I accepted to do so, for i thought - and i still do - that you are a Lady(based on your way of writing and your avatar) and the Gentleman within me and the thankful Member of the Family we from here, which i am, could not reject such a request.
Sharing any eventual information has always been my intention and also this exchange will find its righteous place, that is the public eye.

Besides, the way you started this conversation could lead only to one necessary consequence, that is, that i would have the Duty to report back what i would learn from you.
You assumed that i play some kind of leading role within Project Venus and you are not the first or only one. I have already cleared this out.
This conversation and specially the turn it is taking could have been avoided if you have taken a preliminary look at my posts, either on my page or on the main page by the threads related to 'Zeitgeist: Addendum'.

For the sake of fullness and clarity i will forward you the message i sent to all Pioneers of Venus, which is also to be found on my own page(Title: Clarification).

Best regards,

RaKaR
www.futureofmankind.co.uk

[J_rod7]

*
** Hello all,

To keep EveryOne here Informed...

This is a Copy of the E-mail Invitation, which I send Today to the Group at Project Venus.
Their E-mail address, FYI, is: fbd@futurebydesign.org :thumb_yello:

>>Hello Sir,

This is an Invitation for You, and Members of your group, to join with us in discussion at: http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/

Project Avalon is a recent Discussion Forum, begun under the Auspices of Project Camelot:
http://www.projectcamelot.org/

There is a Support Group now formed for Project Venus. I, myself, am a member of this Discussion Group. As a member, this invitation is extended to You by my own Responsibility, as I don't represent myself to be an 'Official', or 'Secretary', or 'Leader' of this Forum. We here are very familiar with the knowledge presented at: www.thezeitgeistmovement.com . (My 'UserName' at this Forum is J_rod7. I am a member of the Mensa Society, have trained as a Nuclear Reactor Technician in the US Navy, and hold a Degree in Electronics).

There are many Intelligent and Talented people here, who are wanting to engage in Interactive Communication with You, and/or others, from Project Venus. We want to see that your Project gets 'Up-and-Running'. I would ask, should you accept this Invitation, to please identify Yourself to us as coming from Project Venus.

Once at the Project Avalon site, follow this Link to the Support Group Forum Section:...
http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/s...ad.php?t=4658;
http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/s...ead.php?t=4623

If you encounter any difficulty with this Link, Let me do whatever is required to assist You.

Looking Forward to seeing you 'On-Board' with us.

Respectfully,

Rod Morrill <<

So now, we can all ANTICIPATE a favorable response. If there is direct communication from Them back to me, I will let Everyone here know their response. However, my 'best wish' is to see Jaques Fresco, or any other member of his group, post HERE, directly. :biggrin2:

** Peace is Every Step
*

[Kelle Baley]

[QUOTE=RaKaR;47766]Hi, Member Kelle Baley,

Thanks for your insights and your tact.
I would appreciate any further elaboration in any way which suits you and the circumstances.

Regards,

RaKaR
It is REALLY obvious that by your next few postings having quoted my own private responses to you that you have an AGENDA here to put those of us with a sincere intent to further your profile as appearing in some type of false command.

WHY WOULD YOU POST MY PRIVATE RESPONSES TO YOU IN VIEW OF THE PUBLIC WITHOUT my permission????

Everyone who is reading my words; Know that Rakar is personally exploiting the comradeship of this thread for purposes which are not civil.

I had a private conversation with Rakar and did not respond to his request to display our conversation publicly, yet as you can clearly see he has done all on his own. Wow. THis level of conversing is empty of honor, tact and lack of responsibility.

RaKaR- you are blowing your ability to be trusted here. please stop your showboat behavior and your strategy. It is not Avalon pleasing nor is it the energy we want here.

[RaKaR]

[QUOTE=RaKaR;47766]Hi, Member Kelle Baley,

Thanks for your insights and your tact.
I would appreciate any further elaboration in any way which suits you and the circumstances.

Regards,

RaKaR
It is REALLY obvious that by your next few postings having quoted my own private responses to you that you have an AGENDA here to put those of us with a sincere intent to further your profile as appearing in some type of false command.

WHY WOULD YOU POST MY PRIVATE RESPONSES TO YOU IN VIEW OF THE PUBLIC WITHOUT my permission????

Everyone who is reading my words; Know that Rakar is personally exploiting the comradeship of this thread for purposes which are not civil.

I had a private conversation with Rakar and did not respond to his request to display our conversation publicly, yet as you can clearly see he has done all on his own. Wow. THis level of conversing is empty of honor, tact and lack of responsibility.

RaKaR- you are blowing your ability to be trusted here. please stop your showboat behavior and your strategy. It is not Avalon pleasing nor is it the energy we want here.


[quote=RaKaR]Namaste, Member Kelle Baley,

"Also the answer to this question can be found in the posting you made mention of: the sake of transparency."

you are taking this out of context RaKaR.

"You are an intuitive person, you should understand that i would share all information with The Family, no matter how disturbing it might be, for everyone around here is seeking Awakening and Spiritual Growth and is therefore Self responsible - my personal responsibillity could be eventually to find a way to present it, so that the Inner Peace of others won't be greatly disturbed."

RaKaR: are you implying that I should think of a way to responsibly present what I sense about project Venus on this Thread? I have already offered both my feeling of its path and an audible warning.

"In a time when we are rightly expecting a shift of Consciousness, when we dream(quite possibly also rightly) of accessing telepathy and Oneness, i do not think that there is still room for secrecy."

to this I also agree yet intentions are not always shared with the same integrity so we must weigh the responsibility for personal revelation before we express it in the company of those that seek to rally support for an agenda and the perhaps unknowingly the agenda minded. My wonder here is if you will actually post this, or decide to cut and hash some of it as you it serves your needs. ?

"I have to say that it was rather surprised by your wish to discuss this issue privately. I accepted to do so, for i thought - and i still do - that you are a Lady(based on your way of writing and your avatar) and the Gentleman within me and the thankful Member of the Family we from here, which i am, could not reject such a request. "

I wanted to do this so that we could exchange enough to discover what motivates us each to our opinion which would expose intent on both our parts. Your own way of exchange employs a nominal amount of want for CONTENT rather than to know of another's own opinion or instinct as feedback so it proves an unworthy cause to continue as your listening is narrowed.

Sharing information privately with you has proven a failure as you decided to include others in our conversation which is revealing of a borderline agenda or at the minimum one needing to lead others with only the plans of another to lead with.

Sharing any eventual information has always been my intention and also this exchange will find its righteous place, that is the public eye. I am still open to those that want to exchange regarding Venus the project in private -until such a time that the information has a listening ear for things that are not based in physical truths that are provable as yet.


This is now clear that we have nothing more that can be shared except boundary that is respectable. i offer this- farewell RaKaR.
__________________
MariGaia

"peace is the only thing that you must master -when you do, you will discover something that changes everything " The Essenes




Farwell, Member Kelle Baley.

May you be further inspired in all your endeavors.

Peace and Wisdom.

RaKaR
www.futureofmankind.co.uk

[RaKaR]

Greetings in peace and wisdom Project Venus Pioneers,

It is time.

I assume that we all have registered at 'Zeitgeist Movement'(http://www.thezeitgeistmovement.com/) - for it must be done individually.
We are all then receiving updates from the Grand Project; we should then also be taking actions, promoting awareness and making the necessary preparations towards ZDAY Events ( March 15th 2009 ), namely:

1) The New York City Main Event with Peter Joseph, Jacque Fresco and
Roxanne Meadows (The Venus Project) [which] will occur at the Tribeca
Performing Arts Center in Manhattan.
http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/zday09.html

2) ZDAY submissions for local event worldwide [accepted]
http://thezeitgeistmovement.com/zday.htm


Pioneers,
We should all as well be aware of the Program of the movement. And of what is expected from us.

The rational and humane management of Earth population lays in the middle of the Plan of Actions of Zeitgeist/Venus Project: PUNT 12
[...]
11. Encouraging the widest range of creativity and incentive toward constructive endeavor.
12. Assisting in stabilizing the world’s population through education and voluntary birth-control to conform to the carrying capacity of the earth.
13. Outgrowing nationalism, bigotry and prejudice through education.
[...]

Mister Fresco is not alone on this specific and delicate issue. Fortunately.
Mister Billy Meier, my personal source of inspiration, has also been calling for decades for a worldwide birth control - a rational, rigorous, ethical, scientific, essentially democratic, applying to all and everyone birth control.
The awareness on this question is lately growing and expanding.
Other voices are calling still loudly for the application of reason also to population:
- 'Obama reverses Bush abortion-funds policy'; by LIZ SIDOTI and MATTHEW LEE, Associated Press Writers – Fri Jan 23.
"WASHINGTON – President Barack Obama on Friday struck down the Bush administration's ban on giving federal money to international groups that perform abortions or provide abortion information — an inflammatory policy that has bounced in and out of law for the past quarter-century. Obama's executive order, the latest in an aggressive first week reversing contentious Bush policies, was warmly welcomed by liberal groups and denounced by abortion rights foes." [...]
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090123/ap_on_go_pr_wh/obama_abortion_ban
- Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi boldly defended a move to add birth control funding to the new economic "stimulus" package, claiming "contraception will reduce costs to the states and to the federal government." http://www.drudgereport.com/flashpbc.htm
- Baby decisions - adding to the world's woes?
"How responsible is it to have children in a world whose environmental health is already under stress? That's the question Joanna Benn poses this week in the Green Room. On the other hand, she wonders, will a couple more hungry mouths make much difference?"[...]
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7759845.stm
- POPULATION: The elephant in the room
Uncontrolled population growth threatens to undermine efforts to save the planet, warns John Feeney. In this week's Green Room, he calls on the environmental movement to stop running scared of this controversial topic. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7865332.stm
- One last chance to save mankind
With his 90th birthday in July, a trip into space scheduled for later in the year and a new book out next month, 2009 promises to be an exciting time for James Lovelock. But the originator of the Gaia theory, which describes Earth as a self-regulating planet, has a stark view of the future of humanity. He tells Gaia Vince we have one last chance to save ourselves - and it has nothing to do with nuclear power.
http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20126921.500-one-last-chance-to-save-mankind.html?full=true&print=true

Pioneers, friends; comrades,
We have decided to contribute to the effort of promoting awareness of overpopulation and of the need of a worldwide birth control, in order to achieve the goal of "stabilizing the world’s population through education and voluntary birth-control to conform to the carrying capacity of the earth."

Join us at:

http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=10949


...and do your part.


Bring your insights in! Take concrete action!



Namaste,

RaKaR
www.futureofmankind.co.uk

[Mercuriel]

The following in Bold Purple has My Spirit seeking Discernment...

6. Evolving towards a cybernated society that can gradually outgrow the need for all political local, national, and supra-national governments as a means of social management.

That statement alone sounds very Transhumanist / Eugenicist to Me...

:shocked:

Understand that as I read the Outline of the Aims of this Community I was totally in agreement with most Tenets of It until I came across the above. This is where a Red Flag went up for Me...

Note : I'm seeking Discernment in relation to the above statment - Not seeking an Argument...

;)

[Connecting with Sauce]

I'm not sure over population is the issue. I think it is education and energy and health. And of course deception and dishonesty... and potential earth changes if these happen...

Knowing about free energy devices being developed globally… this one a 5kW WANG generator in China is one getting close to implementation ready http://www.free-energy.110mb.com/Magnetic_Motor.pdf more at the link I posted in free enegy section...

If there was free energy, then there would be free clean water (from the sea) and therefore the food issue would be sorted due to desserts and clean water.

All the oil pipelines in the world could be used to pump water and pretty soon the issues would dissolve…

An Electric car with a large WANG generator in it and a flywheel hybrid system like the flybrid sytem would soon resolve the car issue or a car running on water such as Stan Meyers system.

[RaKaR]

Greetings in peace and wisdom Connecting with Sauce,

You might be right, materially; the issue has much more to do with the spiritual, though.


Namaste,

RaKaR
www.futureofmankind.co.uk

[RaKaR]

I'm not sure over population is the issue. I think it is education and energy and health. And of course deception and dishonesty... and potential earth changes if these happen...

Knowing about free energy devices being developed globally… this one a 5kW WANG generator in China is one getting close to implementation ready http://www.free-energy.110mb.com/Magnetic_Motor.pdf more at the link I posted in free enegy section...

If there was free energy, then there would be free clean water (from the sea) and therefore the food issue would be sorted due to desserts and clean water.

All the oil pipelines in the world could be used to pump water and pretty soon the issues would dissolve…

An Electric car with a large WANG generator in it and a flywheel hybrid system like the flybrid sytem would soon resolve the car issue or a car running on water such as Stan Meyers system.

PS: Connecting with Sauce,

The following, latest update of the Earth Policy Organization on the state of global matters in this field, may help put things better in perspective:


Earth Policy News - WHEN POPULATION GROWTH AND RESOURCE AVAILABILITY COLLIDE

By Lester R. Brown

"As land and water become scarce, competition for these vital resources intensifies within societies, particularly between the wealthy and those who are poor and dispossessed. The shrinkage of life-supporting resources per person that comes with population growth is threatening to drop the living standards of millions of people below the survival level, leading to potentially unmanageable social tensions.

Access to land is a prime source of social tension. Expanding world population has cut the grainland per person in half, from 0.23 hectares in 1950 to 0.10 hectares in 2007. One tenth of a hectare is half of a building lot in an affluent U.S. suburb. This ongoing shrinkage of grainland per person makes it difficult for the world’s farmers to feed the 70 million people added to world population each year. The shrinkage in cropland per person not only threatens livelihoods; in largely subsistence societies, it threatens survival itself. Tensions within communities begin to build as landholdings shrink below that needed for survival." [...]

http://www.earthpolicy.org/Books/Seg/PB3ch06_ss5.htm




Namaste,

RaKaR
www.futureofmankind.co.uk

[RaKaR]

Thanks for your insights, member Oedilroed.

Our answer to your concern is that, we people, volunteers, are the potential motor of Zeitgeist and Venus Project.
We have reason, free will, preferences; we would take part to the democratic decision making, define the orientation and the essential content of this movement.

We shall be active and correct it, when needed.
We would also always be free to step out, when the contradictions between our own convictions and the line of actions of Project Venus would eventually be irreconcilable.

As spiritual entities, we are exclusively sovereign.


Regards,

RaKaR
www.futureofmankind.co.uk

[RaKaR]

Greetings of peace to all,

We have got some update - courtesy of Mark.
It is of special importance for those members, currently staying in The Netherlands:


"Hi all,

As you know the 15th March represents Zeitgeist's Day all around the world...

In over 70 countries, there will be activities in different communities to show consciousness/awareness on and of the subject, but also to understand that there are solutions to the problems we have allowed to happen on this planet.

Have a look at this site to get an overview of what will be happening worldwide:

http://thezeitgeistmovement.com/wiki/index.php/Zeitgeist_Day,_March_15th_2009


In Holland, there are a number of events that will be organised, including the largest one, in Amsterdam.
See the information and link on this below:

Z-DAY Amsterdam

Kauwgomballenfabriek Studio's
Daniel Goedkoopstraat 10-26
Time: 14.00h till 00.00h
Entrance is free and drinks are cheap!

http://zeitgeist.silverrose.nl/index.php?board=12.0


You can consult the program at this link:

http://zeitgeist.silverrose.nl/index.php?PHPSESSID=df455b15fb15308245437dc1975657 7b&topic=171.0


We encourage everyone to come down and communicate with each other at this event, so that we can continue to raise consciousness and awareness in our societies of the situation and the possible solutions.

Let us know if you will be joining.

Cheers!

Mark."


So, Avalon' Project Venus Pioneers, express your will, let your voice be heard! - that is, post your plans here and they would be handed over to Mark.


Looking forward to hearing from you.


RaKaR.

[RaKaR]

UPDATE


THE ZEITGEIST MOVEMENT ORIENTATION VIDEO - NOW ONLINE!


"Friends,

Here is the new 1.5 hr Zeitgeist Movement Orientation Video by Peter
Joseph.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3932487043163636261

It can be download in full dvd format here:

http://www.thezeitgeistmovement.com/joomla/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=25&Itemid=62

It is a public domain work, in a simple slide show style,

intended to give a more specific overview of the tenets of The
Movement.

This should help clarify a lot of the misinformation and false
assumptions out there.

Please view and help spread the work far and wide!

Thank you

The Zeitgeist Team."



Salome,

RaKaR
www.futureofmankind.co.uk

[RaKaR]

It is in motion - Alea iacta est!

The New York Times on ZDAY:


THEY'VE SEEN THE FUTURE AND DISLIKE THE PRESENT


By ALAN FEUER
Published: March 16, 2009

"Two hours into Z-Day, the educational forum associated with the online movie “Zeitgeist,” Peter Joseph, the film’s director and the evening’s M.C., stepped out from behind his lectern and walked forward earnestly on the stage."[...]

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/17/nyregion/17zeitgeist.html?_r=1

[RaKaR]

Greetings, Pioneers!

We have got some major update:

Zeitgeist Movement - April 4th - March on Wall Street‏

"Friends,

On Saturday, April 4th 2009, the 'United for Peace and Justice'
organization is conducting a protest against Wall Street. As a last
minute decision, The Zeitgeist Movement will have a table setup at
this event to spread awareness regarding change.

If you are in the NYC area and want to show support, please come down
and protest the banking system with us, while informing other
activists of The Movement and The Venus Project.

More info.

http://www.unitedforpeace.org/

We will also have more info on our Website's home page soon.

http://www.thezeitgeistmovement.com/joomla/

In solidarity,

Peter."


Namaste,
RaKaR

[Rainchild]

http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=22F8D4EBCF760596
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marxism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technocracy_movement
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacque_Fresco#The_Venus_Project

The Venus project is directly lifted from the ideas of Karl Marx the person behind the ideology of Marxism. Addendum doesn't even talk about how a resource based economy would work! They're talking about a Marxist styled technocracy! They don't talk about how they handle the resources they talk about technology! We can't even make a crane without an even bigger one how are we supposed to make this kind of system without taking years of time to make the technology necessary to make it? It could take decades! All economies are resource based! You can't make anything without a resource! Just saying the phrase "resource based economy" is an oxymoron because it implies that it is the first economy to healthily distribute resources, which just isn't true! Look into this stuff! It's this ten percent of disinformation in Zeitgeist Addendum that is going to kill people! How can you believe that ALL economies are centralized when you haven't even discerned the economies that exist? Look at pot latch! The native americans used pot latch to spread the wealth! It was never a centralized economic system! It isn't even about money at all the Elite have more than they'll ever need they don't even care about money anymore! What they want is the privelege to control the planet! Even the barter system would be better than zeitgeist! We have a lot of other options we can try before this videos message would be made necessary.

The New world order is designed to create a scientifically ruled society through Eugenics, Psychiatry, GMO agriculture, and technology! Don't fall for Zeitgeist's farce! It is merely copying and expanding off Alex Jones's, David Icke's And Arron Russo's Documentaries,and medias, like Endgame and America: Freedom to Fascism to get their own self benefits.

I am for new ideas and as new as Zeitgiest sounds it is in reality NOT a new idea. Ever since Marxism was invented people have been pushing this in economic crises. One of the big downsides is in it's ideas of education and reeducation because it can dictate human belief systems.

[Rainchild]

Project venus looks to me like a blend of "brave new world" and genuine new age bul****;
it is quit obvious that this is a high tech society with strong centralised control, in short another version, of what we have today.
none of what is portrayed seems desirable to me, rather it looks like a excersise in utopian frivolity.
I trust it will prove to be just that: stupid nonsens, and let us all be thankful for that.

Trust me when I say that it's even worse than nonsense because people are beleiving it

[Zeddo]

http://www.free-energy.110mb.com/Magnetic_Motor.pdf


I was just looking at page 19 of the report and the Wang Shum Ho Wheel looks amazingly similar to a crop circle, don't you thnk?

Z

[NorthernSanctuary]

"[I]Quote:
Originally Posted by oedilroed
Project venus looks to me like a blend of "brave new world" and genuine new age bul****;
it is quit obvious that this is a high tech society with strong centralised control, in short another version, of what we have today.
none of what is portrayed seems desirable to me, rather it looks like a excersise in utopian frivolity.
I trust it will prove to be just that: stupid nonsens, and let us all be thankful for that.
Rainchild: Trust me when I say that it's even worse than nonsense because people are beleiving it
"/I]


Technology by itself is not evil or bad. It is the intent of the people controlling it. The Venus pioneers state the case for the benefits of a positively managed technological society. It is understood that if a society evolves their technology faster than their spiritually, that it risks destroying itself. Both aspects are part of the Truth and have benefits for mankind.

We are presently at this cross road. The aquarian age promises a bright future if we can have a society based on the convergence of science and spirituality.

[Rainchild]

"[I]Quote:
Originally Posted by oedilroed
Project venus looks to me like a blend of "brave new world" and genuine new age bul****;
it is quit obvious that this is a high tech society with strong centralised control, in short another version, of what we have today.
none of what is portrayed seems desirable to me, rather it looks like a excersise in utopian frivolity.
I trust it will prove to be just that: stupid nonsens, and let us all be thankful for that.
Rainchild: Trust me when I say that it's even worse than nonsense because people are beleiving it
"/I]


Technology by itself is not evil or bad. It is the intent of the people controlling it. The Venus pioneers state the case for the benefits of a positively managed technological society. It is understood that if a society evolves their technology faster than their spiritually, that it risks destroying itself. Both aspects are part of the Truth and have benefits for mankind.

We are presently at this cross road. The aquarian age promises a bright future if we can have a society based on the convergence of science and spirituality.


Of course technology is not evil or bad, but until you try this on a small scale your not going to be able to discern if Zeitgest can even keep their promise for this type of society. I don't think they have bad intentions I think their being tricked into something that they don't even fully understand. Where are the materials going to come from? How long is this going to take? How are we supposed to know how this going to work when they don't even provide a process for how it would be formed? Technology is a double edged sword it can have negative and positive affects and Zeigeist doesn't discuss that. This is just a bunch of Futurist rhetoric designed to create a kind of double think dream bubble where people don't even question the missing facts.

Besides it sound like these people WANT to develop technology quicker. They only have small clips of spirituality in them and when they do they show things like all seeing eyes and hands shaping a pyramid! They even have Theosophic society's Christ in Addendum!

Plus The director, Peter Joseph, ACTUALLY SAID, in Alex Jones's interview on the Alex Jones show, that they would reeducate a person who couldn't handle or understand that type of society. Don't even try to get out of that. It's in the video. There is a recording of him saying it. And thats exactly what they talk about in Marxism. I don't want to live in a world like that and I hope you don't either.

[NorthernSanctuary]

but until you try this on a small scale your not going to be able to discern if Zeitgest can even keep their promise for this type of society....

I've spent most of my life working in an R & D environment, so I recognise that the present stage that Zeitgest ( and Jacques Fresco) is at is really not much more than a conceptual or visionary stage. Yes, it's going to take a lot more effort and work to evolve the vision to a reality, but we need to be grateful for the vision and I don't see that their role (unless they want to do it) is necessarily more than that. Their effort is more towards making people aware of their ideas, selling/ promoting it to the public; from experience I know that people that are good at conceptualizing are not necessarily good at implementing,..etc.

Other people in a grass roots movement will have to pick up where they leave off and try to implement this on a prototype level. This part, to transform a society in a evolutionary way, is a huge challenge. No single person can promise to make this happen; considering that the establish powers do not want to lose power or control, it can only happen if there is enough critical mass for people working together to make it happen. The whole process requires a lot of work, making mistakes, corrections along the way. We are talking about building a new society, a new way of thinking, so if we can do this in a generation of two, I would consider that quick.

[Rainchild]

but until you try this on a small scale your not going to be able to discern if Zeitgest can even keep their promise for this type of society....

I've spent most of my life working in an R & D environment, so I recognise that the present stage that Zeitgest ( and Jacques Fresco) is at is really not much more than a conceptual or visionary stage. Yes, it's going to take a lot more effort and work to evolve the vision to a reality, but we need to be grateful for the vision and I don't see that their role (unless they want to do it) is necessarily more than that. Their effort is more towards making people aware of their ideas, selling/ promoting it to the public; from experience I know that people that are good at conceptualizing are not necessarily good at implementing,..etc.

Other people in a grass roots movement will have to pick up where they leave off and try to implement this on a prototype level. This part, to transform a society in a evolutionary way, is a huge challenge. No single person can promise to make this happen; considering that the establish powers do not want to lose power or control, it can only happen if there is enough critical mass for people working together to make it happen. The whole process requires a lot of work, making mistakes, corrections along the way. We are talking about building a new society, a new way of thinking, so if we can do this in a generation of two, I would consider that quick.

:nono:

If their effort was merely to make people AWARE of their ideas they wouldn't be glorifying their documentaries like a pill commercial with all that vivid imagery and hypno-screens. They are PUSHING their ideas! I notice that you don't even touch the evidence I put out. You don't even respond to the notion of it being a Marxist technocracy, but rather state the facts behind the structure of a grassroots movement, completely denying the information.

I respect people coming up with new ideas, but like I said this isn't new. It's hard core Marxism. And the reason people don't agree with Marxism is because it is knee deep in reeducation techniques and Eugenics. It is a scientifically controlled society. And that is the essence of what the New World order really is.

[IndigoChild1986]

:nono:

If their effort was merely to make people AWARE of their ideas they wouldn't be glorifying their documentaries like a pill commercial with all that vivid imagery and hypno-screens. They are PUSHING their ideas! I notice that you don't even touch the evidence I put out. You don't even respond to the notion of it being a Marxist technocracy, but rather state the facts behind the structure of a grassroots movement, completely denying the information.

I respect people coming up with new ideas, but like I said this isn't new. It's hard core Marxism. And the reason people don't agree with Marxism is because it is knee deep in reeducation techniques and Eugenics. It is a scientifically controlled society. And that is the essence of what the New World order really is.


Thanks for the reading!

[NorthernSanctuary]

"You don't even respond to the notion of it being a Marxist technocracy..."

I didn't bother to respond to this because I didn't see the need to connect the benefits of technology with any political or centralised control government system, and it's not what I want to support. My interest is primarily in recognising that technology and a resource based system can free the people from working all day just to survive, so that they have more time to develop their spirituality.

I don't believe that Jacque Fresco has any interest in linking it to a Marxist or any other political system at all. The social system I see is one where lawyers and politicians will be out of a job; such functions are totally incompatible with a spiritual based society. Jacque Fresco also expresses the same distain on any political system in the following Larry King interview:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVOPkGAtt48&feature=related

[Rainchild]

"You don't even respond to the notion of it being a Marxist technocracy..."

I didn't bother to respond to this because I didn't see the need to connect the benefits of technology with any political or centralised control government system, and it's not what I want to support. My interest is primarily in recognising that technology and a resource based system can free the people from working all day just to survive, so that they have more time to develop their spirituality.

I don't believe that Jacque Fresco has any interest in linking it to a Marxist or any other political system at all. The social system I see is one where lawyers and politicians will be out of a job; such functions are totally incompatible with a spiritual based society. Jacque Fresco also expresses the same distain on any political system in the following Larry King interview:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVOPkGAtt48&feature=related

A Technocracy is not technically a political system. Because it is not ruled by any man, but is ruled by the machines and sciences man creates regardless if the sciences have truth behind them or not. Based on the "redconditioning", Peter Joseph mentioned Marxism becomes a side variable.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marxism#Exploitation

Marxism holds that class struggle is the central element of social change. "The history of all hitherto existing society is the history of class struggle" ( –Communist Manifesto). In the present form of society, capitalism, the two main classes are the capitalists (or bourgeoisie), who own the means of producing the necessities of life; and the workers (or proletariat) who do not own those means of production and therefore must work for the capitalists in order to survive. Marxism holds that such a system is exploitive as well as, in the final analysis, economically irrational. Marxism aims at the overthrow of capitalism and its replacement by a classless society in which goods are produced for their usefulness not profitability; and distributed according to the principles of (at first): "from each according to their ability, to each according to their work"; and finally, in the most advanced stage: "from each according to their ability, to each according to their needs.

Since the initial formulation of the above principles by Marx in the mid 1800s, Marxism has developed and evolved in various ways. While there are many theoretical and practical differences among the various forms of Marxism, most forms of Marxism share these principles:

* an attention to the material conditions of people's lives and social relations among people
* a belief that people's consciousness of the conditions of their lives reflects these material conditions and relations
* an understanding of class in terms of differing relations of production and as a particular position within such relations
* an understanding of material conditions and social relations as historically malleable
* a view of history according to which class struggle, the evolving conflict between classes with opposing interests, structures each historical period and drives historical change
* a sympathy for the working class or proletariat
* and a belief that the ultimate interests of workers best match those of humanity in general

Two points of contention among Marxists are the degree to which they are committed to a workers' revolution as the means of achieving human emancipation and enlightenment, and the actual mechanism through which such a revolution might occur and succeed. Marxism is correctly but not exhaustively described as a variety of Socialism. Some Marxists argue that no actual state has ever fully realized Marxist principles.


I don't agree with Jacque when talks about history not make the history books, about not having a CHOICE, but to go to University. I don't agree with his ideas on education. These ideas are dangerous and they scream information management to me.

[NorthernSanctuary]

A Technocracy is not technically a political system. Because it is not ruled by any man, but is ruled by the machines and sciences man creates regardless if the sciences have truth behind them or not.

You mentioned a Marxist technocracy and you had link to Marxism, so that's probably where I got confused. In any case, I'm not interested in a technocracy; doesn't sound like you are, or any one else in this forum, so we're all in agreement.:original:

[Rainchild]

and a resource based system can free the people from working all day just to survive, so that they have more time to develop their spirituality.

Like I said earlier all economies are resource based. You can't make anything without a resource. Addendum makes all economies look sick, when in fact a lot of them can have a state of health. Maybe not a fractional reserved banking system, but barter systems, sound money, pot latch, etc can all be positive economies. The term "resource based economy" is simply an oxymoron! There is no such thing! If there was they would've said how it worked! They're simply just pulling things out of their ass!

Besides the hours would probably be less if we made the currency worth more because if you devalue a currency like the fed is doing now, you force workers to work more for the same amount of money. The solution is to end fractional reserved banking not to centralize things even more!

[Rainchild]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HsUVuDS6aQE&feature=channel_page

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J09UVTZG01U&feature=channel_page

A Critical Review of Zeitgeist Addendum

[RaKaR]

Thank you for your views, Rainchild and all the others.

UPDATE


Zeitgeist Movement Radio Address | Wed. 4/8‏


"Friends,

This Wednesday, 4/8/09, from 3:00-5:00pm will be our Bi-Weekly Radio
Address.

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/Peter-Joseph

http://www.thezeitgeistmovement.com/joomla/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=438&Itemid=952

First Hour: Peter will address the new "Teams" and "Projects" idea
and also answer Forum questions.

Second Hour: Jacque Fresco, along with Roxanne Meadows, will talk
about the issue of how 'Environment Shapes Behavior'.

Please tune in and tell other about it as well.

In Solidarity,

Peter"


Stay turn, fellow pioneers and skeptics!


Salome.

[RaKaR]

Zeitgeist Movement Radio Address | Wed. 4/22/09‏


"Friends,

This Wednesday, 4/22/09, from 3:00-5:00pm will be our Bi-Weekly Radio
Address.

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/Peter-Joseph

http://www.thezeitgeistmovement.com/joomla/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=438&Itemid=952

*Peter will address Communication Strategies, including the most
common misconceptions about The Zeitgeist Movement, along with
answering your questions.

Please tune in and tell others about it as well.

In Solidarity,

Peter"


Short and precise - thank you, Peter.

Namaste.

[RaKaR]

Greetings of Peace and Solidarity.

Your update of the week:


Zeitgeist Movement Radio Address | Wed. 5/06/09‏



"Friends,

This Wednesday, 5/06/09, from 3:00-5:00pm will be our Bi-Weekly Radio
Address.

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/Peter-Joseph

http://www.thezeitgeistmovement.com/joomla/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=438&Itemid=952

In the first hour Peter will answer your questions, and in the second
hour Jacque and Roxanne will join in for a discussion about language,
semantics, communication and other issues.


Please tune in and tell others about it as well.

In Solidarity,

ZM"


Turn in, indeed!

Namaste.

[RaKaR]

Z-Movement Bi-Weekly Radio Address, 5/20/09‏


"Friends,

This Wednesday, 5/20/09, from 3:00-5:00pm will be our Bi-Weekly Radio
Address.

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/Peter-Joseph

http://www.thezeitgeistmovement.com/joomla/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=438&Itemid=952


Please tune in and tell others about it as well.


In Solidarity,

ZM"




We gladly give the word forward; thanks ZM.


Namaste.

[RaKaR]

Update & Zeitgeist Movement Radio Address | Sun. May 31st '09‏


"Friends,

First, This weeks radio show will occur on Sunday, May 31st at 3pm
EDT. This is a temporary shift as Peter has an obligation the next
week.

In the first hour, Peter will address your questions along with
Movement updates, and Jacque and Roxanne will join in the second hour
with new developments and specifics points

Also, we want to thank you all for listening to these. The Zeitgeist
Movement's Address is now the most popular show on Blogtalkradio.com,
85% of the month. Let's keep it that way!

Second,

Please note that there has been continuous and ongoing back-end
website work, in the attempt to make

the functionality more user friendly in the Forum, Teams,
Communities, Project Management, Chapter Applications, and the like.
We apologize for the delay and the slow pace.

Here are a few coming updates to the website:

1) Full "How to use this website" instructions will run down all
aspects of participation, from contributing to Translations, to
organizing Community Events.

2) We are going to host a United States "state template" system for
all 50 states. Through out Joomla programming we will bring in
dedicated Content/Chapter managers for each State, which will be the
next sub-tier of our Main English site for the USA.

3) We will also have a well organized/programmed Template Download
for anyone who wants to begin a City or International Chapter.

4) We are going to reorganize all Project Teams, initiating a set of
dedicated Managers for each which will oversee relevant projects.

5) We are going to begin a "Zeitgeist Media Project" which will
enable those in the Creative and Communications teams to work to find
mediums and approaches to furthering awareness of our goals.

More soon.

In Solidarity,

Zm Team"



United, we shall prevail!

Salome.

[RaKaR]

Zeitgeist Movement Radio Address & Studivz Censorship‏

"Friends,

First of all, please note that this Wednesday, June 17th, at 3:00pm
EDT [(2009-06-17 19:00 UTC)] will be Peter Joseph's Bi-Weekly Radio
Address.

http://www.thezeitgeistmovement.com/joomla/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=438&Itemid=1904

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/Peter-Joseph

Peter will take your questions ad discuss current developments,
including specific Team issues and upcoming events/projects.

Second, as some of you may know, "Studivz" a German Community Site
similar to FaceBook in the states, has shut down Zeitgeist Movement
groups using there social networking service, claiming
"anti-antisemitism" is being promoted.

This is absurd and we must, for the sake of the groups (some of which
have 10,000+ members) and our integrity, contact Studivz and demand
they reinstate those groups and correct their erroneous disposition.

It is important that all of you out there who support our Movement
email them. It only takes a second. I would recommend you send out an
email once a day until they react. If all 300,000 of our members do
this, it can have a powerful effect.

Please go here and copy the email we have posted.

http://www.thezeitgeistmovement.com/joomla/index.php?view=article&id=439&option=com_content&Itemid=953#15

Thank you for your help in this matter.

In solidarity,

Zm"


While heading to 'Studivz',

Namaste.
RaKaR

[RaKaR]

Zeitgeist Movement Radio Address - July 1 '09‏


"Friends,

This Wednesday, July 1st, at 3:00pm EDT [(2009-07-1 19:00 UTC)] will
be Peter Joseph's Bi-Weekly Radio Address.

http://www.thezeitgeistmovement.com/joomla/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=438&Itemid=1904

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/Peter-Joseph

1st Hour: Peter will take your questions and discuss current
developments.

2nd Hour: The Venus Project will join the show and address various
points.

Thank You for your help.

ZM

www.thezeitgeistmovement.com"


Stay tuned and submit your questions,

RaKaR
www.futureofmankind.co.uk

[RaKaR]

Zeitgeist Movement Radio Address - July 1 '09‏


"Friends,

This Wednesday, July 1st, at 3:00pm EDT [(2009-07-1 19:00 UTC)] will
be Peter Joseph's Bi-Weekly Radio Address.

http://www.thezeitgeistmovement.com/joomla/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=438&Itemid=1904

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/Peter-Joseph

1st Hour: Peter will take your questions and discuss current
developments.

2nd Hour: The Venus Project will join the show and address various
points.

Thank You for your help.

ZM"

www.thezeitgeistmovement.com



Stay tuned and submit your questions,

RaKaR
www.futureofmankind.co.uk

[RaKaR]

ZDAY New York City 2010: Poll‏


"Friends,
Peter here- I have a favor of all of you and would really appreciate the
feedback.

On the main home page on the website we have put a poll requesting info
about possible attendance for our 2010 ZDAY New York City (Main) Event.

http://www.thezeitgeistmovement.com/joomla/index.php?Itemid=50

(top left)

Please go there and let us know if you think you might attend (90%
certain). This is important information for us so we can gauge the
nature/size of the venue(s). We intent to create a powerful event of high
magnitude, stretched across possibly two venus- with massive media
coverage.

As with all Movement events, they are non-profit; meaning that the ticket
price will reflect what is required to cover the expenses of the event
itself and nothing more.
This will be outlined in detail on our site (full disclosure) once it's set
up.

Last year, the New York City event was full 1 month in advance, with many
left not being able to attend. We don't want to make the same mistake this
year.

Thank you for your help.
Peter"


Looking forward to meeting you there!

Namaste.

[RaKaR]

ZM Radio Address | London, Uk Lectures‏


"Friends,

1) This Wednesday, July 15th, at 3:00pm EDT [(2009-07-1 19:00 UTC)] will be
Peter Joseph's Bi-Weekly Radio Address. Peter will address your questions
and current developments.

http://www.thezeitgeistmovement.com/joomla/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=438&Itemid=1904

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/Peter-Joseph

2)UK Events:

-Official Zm Event-
Sat. July 25th: Peter will be giving a formal lecture in Central London,
UK.
More: http://zeitgeistmovie.com/londonevent.html
This event will be streamed live on the website as well.

-Unofficial Zm Event-
Sunday, July 26th, at 4pm, Peter will be giving an Introduction to The
Zeitgeist Movement at the "The Secret Garden Party" in Cambridgeshire, UK.



ZM"

www.thezeitgeistmovement.com


England, take the lead!

Namaste,

RaKaR
www.futureofmankind.co.uk

[RaKaR]

Greetings to all,

Please, your latest Zeitgeist-vibes:


" Zeitgeist Movement Event Update:

Peter Joseph Lecture- Live from
London

Sat. July 25th, 2009

4pm BST Time (11am EST)

Free Live Stream will be linked from the ZM homepage:

http://www.thezeitgeistmovement.com/joomla/index.php?Itemid=50

More:

http://zeitgeistmovie.com/londonevent.html

ZM"



The summer shall be neutral-positively hot!


Salome.

[RaKaR]

July 29th- Zeitgeist Movement Radio Address‏


"Friends,

This Wednesday, July 29th, at 3:00pm EDT [(2009-07-29 19:00 UTC)]
will be Peter Joseph's Bi-Weekly Radio Address.

http://www.thezeitgeistmovement.com/joomla/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=438&Itemid=1904

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/Peter-Joseph

1st Hour: Peter will take your questions and discuss current
developments.

2nd Hour: The Venus Project will join the show and address various
points.

Thank You for your help.

ZM"


Looking forward to it,

Namaste.

[pineal-pilot-in merkabah]

when the economy collapses how will they fund this pie in the sky project.. i catn even be bothered with the zeitgeist stuff, his money stuff is spot on but this venus thing is a bit wild.. has he secured funding from non negative ptb or any non fascist billoinaires.. if not good luck with that

[RaKaR]

The Venus Project - Upcoming European Lectures‏


"Friends,

The Zeitgeist Movement would like to announce a rare set of live
European lectures by Jacque Fresco & The Venus Project, on Sept. 26th
and Oct. 3rd, 2009. Please come and show support for Jacque and
Roxanne if you are in the area. They will discuss, in detail, Mr.
Fresco's critical, life long work and also take questions from the
audience about the direction.

EVENTS:
Copenhagen
Jacque Fresco will be speaking at The Royal Danish Academy of Fine
Arts, School of

Architecture in Copenhagen. Date: September 26th, Time: 02.10 pm-
04.50 pm, Location to be announced, No admission fee. Contact
information Ida ida.suhr@welovepeople.dk
<mailto:ida.suhr@welovepeople.dk>
This e-mail address is being protected from spambots. You need
JavaScript enabled to view it , tel: +45 2510 9608.

London

Event 1: Lecture by Jacque Fresco and Roxanne Meadows at City
University London, Oliver Thompson Lecture Theatre and Foyer

Date/Time: Saturday 3rd October 2009 from 13.00 - 16.00 - Order
Tickets Here <http://www.thevenusproject.com/tickets>

Event 2: Lecture by Jacque Fresco and Roxanne Meadows at City
University London, Oliver Thompson Lecture Theatre and Foyer
Date/Time: Saturday 3rd October 2009 from 18.00 - 21.00 - Order
Tickets Here <http://www.thevenusproject.com/tickets>

More:

www.thevenusproject.com

Thank you.

ZM

www.thezeitgeistmovement.com"


Looking forward,

Namaste.

[metaw3]

Tell your friends who don't speak English. The movie is dubbed in many many languages here:
http://dotsub.com/view/7281f5dc-d4b1-4315-abb7-143becd34f49

[Darren Swisher]

i signed up on thee web site, still have my concerns, but i will take thosw up on the forum on that site.

[Night Light]

Greetings Avalonians! This is my first porst to this forum, and it is in this thread because if not for Zeitgeist and films like it, I doubt that I would have ever paid any attention whatsoever to PC and would have never joined Avalon.

That said, I would like to say that I know better than many the ins and outs of the Venus Project. I first discovered it in 2001, and was quite intruigued. I had shown it to some student friends of mine, and they weren't nearly as interested as I. It soon faded to the back of my mind.

It came rushing back to me years later when I first saw Zeitgeist: Addendum. Through a whirlwind of syncronicity, I ended up being the main organizer of one of the largest Zeitgeist rallies in the US in 09' I no longer consider myself to be part of that movement for reasons I explain later. I learned a great amount from my experiences, and encourage those who are seeking a better world to become the change that they seek, whatever that may be.

I have to say that to some degree both sides of the debates on this thread have a large dosing of truth. To make clear though, the system propsed by TVP(The Venus Project) is rooted in the logical application of knowledge for the betterment of ALL humankind. It is not perfect, but it is seemingly over-analysed by many. To judge the concept broadly based on one or two aspects is not wise in my eyes. Another thing, the said approach draws on many aspects of thought/philosophy, and cannot in fairness be defined by old systems. It is not Marxism, nor is it Socialism.


Some things come to mind:
-I have always viewed the aspect of cybernated systems to be a slippery slope, and many people agree. The concern in my eyes has to do with dependancy. Technology is ok to a degree, but it can impede on our ability to properly function within the laws of creation. If we put the power into an external force, we lose our personal power as humans becoming, projecting oneself into victim consciousness. Without a quantum leap spiritually for the mass-consciousness of the planet, technology mainly equates to externalization of responsibility.
-Jacques Fresco is a very brilliant man, but is very tech mended. He has a strictly science/engineering aproach. He has not taken seriously the meeting point of science and spirituality. Zeitgeist director Peter Josephs feelings regarding metaphysics is that if the scientific method were applicable it would have to be in the physical realm, i.e. not METAphysical, resulting in a paradox(Not verbatim, and I did not hear him say it, a friend passed it along).

Below is an excerpt of an article I wrote. The rest can be found in the "about me:night light" section of www.thequantumu.com

...But I was already starting to feel disenchanted with the Zeitgeist Movement. Jacque Fresco, the social engineer who created The Venus Project 60 years ago, who had earned my respect and admiration years ago, was saying that society needs to collapse much further before it will be prepared to implement a TVP style “resource-based economy”. Already 100’s of 1000’s of people all over the world were enthusiastically joining the movement; because they weren’t willing to wait for further collapse. Nor was I.

I must point out here something that may seem off subject, but bare with me. The Venus Project, while being a complete redesign of the structure of society, doesn’t touch on spirituality at all. It only states that people will be allowed to believe whatever they want. It is a strictly scientific system, and by definition meta-physical is neither repeatable nor verifiable therefore outside of our current definition of science.

Here is the problem. I am a spiritual being having a human experience. I believe that the only way to circumvent further collapse before implementing such a drastic redesign of our society is through the evolution of consciousness. We are one consciousness and it is our realization of that fact that describes the evolution thereof. Allow me to explain…

Biological science has shown that all living things developed through evolution; and ultimately started as single-celled organisms. At that level, the organism is conscious of itself as a single cell. At the point it evolves into a multi-celled organism it becomes aware of itself as multiple cells. That is how I view evolution of consciousness. We are now becoming a galactic culture and we need to realize that working together instead of against each other is the only way to survive and thrive, just as those single celled organisms realized so long ago.

The Venus Project is after the same thing. Set up a system based on humans using logic and mutual understanding to accomplish abundance and core values. So by overlooking the global shift in consciousness of the world at large, the planners behind The Venus Project are shooting themselves in the foot in my eyes. So because of this disconnect in ideas, I took another alternate path...

I do need to make clear that even the people at TVP and ZM are aware that the picture they paint of the future is not exactly what will happen in reality. They are however participating in the creation of a better world, albeit in a way that perhaps may be a little short sighted. What is important to recognize and appreciate is that there is a lot to be said for the ripple effect that efforts such as these represent. The resulting developments in the near future will be that of a new paradigm, which will require not just thinking outside the box, but the realization of a new set of circumstances entirely.

Call it--- new thought..

[Night Light]

This thread was dead in the water when I picked it up, but I hope to hear some feedback on my comments...