Indigo

[2infinityandbeyond]

To find out if you are an indigo child, please answer the following questions honestly.

Being an indigo child can be extremely difficult. But it can be much easier with a little help from a few friends.


* Are you intelligent (though did not necessarily have top grades).

* Are you very creative and enjoy making things.

* Do you always need to know WHY (especially why you are being asked to do something).

* Do you have disgust and perhaps loathing for the inanity of much of the required work in school, the repetition.

* Were you rebellious in school, refusing to do homework, rejecting authority of teachers OR seriously wanted to rebel, but didn't DARE, usually due to parental pressure.

* have you experienced early existential depression and feelings of helplessness. These may have ranged from sadness to utter despair. Suicidal feelings while still in high school or younger are not uncommon in the Indigo Adult.

* Do you have difficulty in service-oriented jobs - resistance to authority and caste system of employment.

* Do you prefer cooperative efforts or leadership position or solo if expertise is valued.

* Have you deep empathy for others, yet an intolerance of stupidity.

* Are you extremely emotionally sensitive including crying at the drop of a hat (no shielding) - to no expression of emotion (full shielding).

* Do you have trouble with RAGE.

* Do you have trouble with most systems (either emotionally, mentally, or physically)- political, educational, medical, law.

* Do you feel alienated from politics - feeling your voice won't count and that the outcome really doesn't matter anyway.

* Do you feel frustration with or rejection of the traditional American dream - 9-5 career, marriage, 2.5 children, house with white picket fence, etc.

* Do you feel anger at rights being taken away, fear and/or fury at "Big Brother watching you."

* Do you feel a need like a burning desire to do something to change and improve the world. But feel stymied what to do.

* Did you have psychic or spiritual interest fairly young - in or before teen years.

* Have you had few if any Indigo role models.

* Do you have strong intuition.

* Do you have random behavior pattern or mind style - (symptoms of Attention Deficit Disorder), may have trouble focusing on a task unless of OWN choosing, may jump around in conversations.

* Have you had psychic experiences, such as premonitions, seeing angels or ghosts, hearing voices, intuitive thoughts coming through etc

* Are you sexually expressive and inventive OR do you reject sexuality in boredom. May explore alternate types of sexuality.

* Do you seek meaning to their life and understanding about the world you may seek this through religion, spiritual groups and books, self-help groups or books, or individually.


If after answering these above questions you find that youve answered yes to the majority of them then there is a good chance that you are an indigo child.

Definition of an indigo ;

Indigo children are children who are believed to represent a higher state of human evolution. The term itself is a reference to the belief that such children have an indigo colored aura. Beliefs concerning the exact nature of Indigo children vary, with some believing that they have paranormal abilities such as the ability to read minds, and others that they are distinguished from non-Indigo children merely by more conventional traits such as increased empathy and creativity.


Indigo children are highly sensitive with a clear sense of self-definition and a strong feeling that they need to make a significant difference in the world. They are strong-willed, independent thinkers who prefer to do their own thing rather than comply with authority figures. They are empathic and can easily detect or are in tune with the thoughts of others, and are naturally drawn to matters concerning mysteries, spirituality, the paranormal and the occult, while opposing unquestioned authority and contradictory to convention. They tend to think outside the box, and are often referred to as "system busters." Indigos allegedly possess wisdom and level of awareness "beyond their years." They are also said to have a strong feeling of entitlement, or "deserving to be here."

Some beliefs hold that they are often labeled with the psychiatric diagnoses of Attention Deficit Hyperactive Disorder (ADHD), Attention Deficit Disorder (ADD), Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder (OCD), Dyslexia, and also Autism, and that they become unsociable when not around other Indigo Children. They are also believed to be prone to depression and sleep disorders such as insomnia and persistent nightmares. Indigo children also possess defining characteristics in learning; indigos tend to be more visual, kinesthetic learners so remember best what they can picture in their brain and create with their hands. Movement is required to keep them better focused.



There are many people out there who disagree with the whole concept of indigo children, but dont worry because they are just jelous :wink2: (lol)

The simple fact of the matter is, that if you find yourself to be an indigo child it is very likely that this is your first time being incarnated on planet earth in a long long time. Where you come from, who knows. But the fact remains that you are more evolved spiritually and emotionally then the majority of people here. And this needs to be recognised and accepted if you hope to lead a constructive life, as your life will tend to unfold differently from the average 'earth consciousness' person.


If you find that you are an indigo child and would like to know more about this then please feel free to email me.

I am also here to help if you find yourself having any difficulty in your life right now so dont be afraid to drop by and send me a message. Ive gone through the hardships and i understand fully how frustrating life can be sometimes for an indigo child so it leaves me in a very good position to relate and offer advice. Which i will gladly do.


Your friend,

Infinity.

[2infinityandbeyond]

Also, id like to just add.

This is not a debate.

If you do not classify as an indigo, dont post.

Its that simple :wink2:

[hobbit]

2infinityandbeyond,
Hello.
I KNOW what I am, and I just stared out of the classroom windows dreaming of how to escape, obviously I have no qualifications.

I am a dowser, and as good a dowser as there is, that may sound arrogant, it is not mean't, it is a fact.
I can dowse the field around people, its direction and every detail about it, I can pick the indigo ones easily, almost without dowsing.

The average person of say 35 years old has a field diametr of aprox 20 feet, most of the young children now are sixty feet plus.

This field is what we are, not the biological bodies we occupy on a temporary basis, the field is where we are, all our thoughts and memories, and that field interacts with the ONE field, so the larger the field the more interaction/s and content contained.
i do not percieve of time as linear, it is spiral, and the past,present and future all exist at once, therefore all knowledge is available, the akashic records are field based and available.
we are attractors of whatever we concentrate upon.
I percieve of those coming here now as indigo, this is a field colour that generates outwards from the centre, much akin to a rainbow, which itself is a field indicator, that of the Earths field, we will see upside down fields soon, as the galatic centre field DOMINATES, ultimately this will lead to a cross in the heavens with curved arms, the swastika will be seen.
This IS the TIME to be alive, the ultimate novelty experience, enjoy, go with the flow.
hobbit

[Orion11]

go with the flow.

words to live by my friends.
<3

[2infinityandbeyond]

2infinityandbeyond,
Hello.
I KNOW what I am, and I just stared out of the classroom windows dreaming of how to escape, obviously I have no qualifications.

I am a dowser, and as good a dowser as there is, that may sound arrogant, it is not mean't, it is a fact.
I can dowse the field around people, its direction and every detail about it, I can pick the indigo ones easily, almost without dowsing.

The average person of say 35 years old has a field diametr of aprox 20 feet, most of the young children now are sixty feet plus.

This field is what we are, not the biological bodies we occupy on a temporary basis, the field is where we are, all our thoughts and memories, and that field interacts with the ONE field, so the larger the field the more interaction/s and content contained.
i do not percieve of time as linear, it is spiral, and the past,present and future all exist at once, therefore all knowledge is available, the akashic records are field based and available.
we are attractors of whatever we concentrate upon.
I percieve of those coming here now as indigo, this is a field colour that generates outwards from the centre, much akin to a rainbow, which itself is a field indicator, that of the Earths field, we will see upside down fields soon, as the galatic centre field DOMINATES, ultimately this will lead to a cross in the heavens with curved arms, the swastika will be seen.
This IS the TIME to be alive, the ultimate novelty experience, enjoy, go with the flow.
hobbit


Hi Hobbit.

Im glad you know what you are bro, and im glad that your not afraid to say it neither because quite a few are.

Your not being arrogant, your stating fact. Dont worry your in good company :wink2:

Im an awesome healer myself. Ive already healed two cats that were pretty much done for until i got my hands on them. I'd like to expand that out to humans as well but the only thing is id imagine that they would just go back to their ill state eventually because their disease is usually manifesting from the subconcious.

But anways,
Unfortunatly there are many out there who do not know who they are and even more who are afraid to admit it for fear of what society will think (**** society). And as a result they are finding their lives very difficult. That was pretty much the purpose of this thread, to help those guys along so that they can find their way, because life is truly awesome once you know who you are.

[Luigis Mushroom]

I know it's not a debate but that describes most people on the planet at some time or another.

"Indigo" is a mark of false status, anyway, and claiming elitism is not the path to ascension. I know, I used to be exactly like that but I got over it after my pride was broken. I was an angsty, egotistical little snot head and could be described by those characteristics exactly, but calling myself an "indigo" child would have only given me an excuse to continue behaving the way I was.

[hobbit]

I know it's not a debate but that describes most people on the planet at some time or another.

"Indigo" is a mark of false status, anyway, and claiming elitism is not the path to ascension. I know, I used to be exactly like that but I got over it after my pride was broken. I was an angsty, egotistical little snot head and could be described by those characteristics exactly, but calling myself an "indigo" child would have only given me an excuse to continue behaving the way I was.

Hello, down there in Argentina,

Those typical traits show the expanded field beings somewhat caught out of time and in a 3D reality that they KNOW is ballocks.
that can lead to a rebelious outcome, but it mellows, and the incoming influx of positive charges are helping, with the information contained within those flows.
We are all ONE, no need for apologies or recriminations, just a fabulous TIME to better comprehend this wonderous universe.

I hope all on here cheer up, and realise it's up to everyone to create our future, and I for one will not allow those determined to control all any space at all.
they are of the past , forget them, forgive them, do not carry the anger of their pathetic ways.
hobbit

[Jeff Delano]

I may be an indigo child because I have several of those qualities. But according to you I have several lifetimes to learn what love really is ;) so I guess I'm not special like you.

[Racsouran]

Oh no, this again?. :P

the other thread opened on this issue was closed, deleted or something?. Why repeating this all over again if it´s still there... just in case.

[2infinityandbeyond]

I may be an indigo child because I have several of those qualities. But according to you I have several lifetimes to learn what love really is ;) so I guess I'm not special like you.

When did i say that? Quote please :bleh:

Nope, im afraid your just not special like me :tongue2:

[2infinityandbeyond]

Again, this thread is for people who are suffering serious problems in their life.

If you want to keep posting garbage that is going off topic then just know your robbing other people the chance to talk.

Do try to appreciate when someone is offering a helping hand here.
This thread is not to debate about indigos, it is for indigos to talk about their problems either publicly or privatly.

Do some of your brothers out there a favour and aknowlege this please.

[Jeff Delano]

Well you really wanted me to quote it, it was on my thread "What Will You Do To Spread Love Once the Economy Collapses?" or verbage similar to that.

How will I spread love?

I will dance around in a frock throwing rose petals on starving people..

Dude, i will help whoever i come across. Spreading love is hardly difficult, its natural.. and if you need to do it then honestly youve many lifetimes to work through before it becomes your natural instinct. Its difficult to explain all the good things you could do in a time of crisis because there is so god damn many, when negativity is surging the opportunities for positive actions are totally infinite.

so i guess im saying, your question is wayyyy to open ended.

It kind of felt like that was aimed at me, the only reason I posted that thread was to make some positivity in a sea of negative threads.

But that's how I interpreted it, like they say, everything is a mirror. So maybe it's something wrong with me, though I'm not really offended by someone not noticing, or saying I don't have, my loving nature that I think I have, it's kind of nagging at me slightly.

[Racsouran]

Again, this thread is for people who are suffering serious problems in their life.

If you want to keep posting garbage that is going off topic then just know your robbing other people the chance to talk.

Do try to appreciate when someone is offering a helping hand here.
This thread is not to debate about indigos, it is for indigos to talk about their problems either publicly or privatly.

Do some of your brothers out there a favour and aknowlege this please.

man , you are part of the garbage you talk about, i was only asking a question when i posted here which you complete ignored, responding as the ***** you are.

I remember reading some advice by the mods on not to duplicate threads.

I wouldn´t dare to interefere in your indigo religion preachings, what a waste of time would be man; seein your dogmatic hostile attitude towards any disagreement is totally understandable.

[OceanWinds]

Isnt that everybody... I dont buy the indigo child thing, because it separates people into groups. Anything that separates or divides I dont support.

[2infinityandbeyond]

This is a reply to the last two posts.

The reason im doing this, the reason im even bothering my *** writing this post and putting myself out there for other people is because im not sure if you are aware of it or not but many young people are killing themselves, dangling themselves off the end of a rope, or throwing themselves out in front of a train because the emotional difficulties they are encountering in life are too damn much for them to cope.

Now to say that all of these are indigo children would be an exajuration, but im pretty sure that many of them are.

Now if it takes me having to label them to help them THEN THATS EXACTLY WHAT IM GONNA DO.

Theres plenty of people out there who cope just fine and get on with life just fine.
Good for you Your one of the lucky ones.

But there are many people who are an inch away from dangling off the end of a rope and all you people can do is argue about labeling. Big ******* wow if i put a label on something, im doing it for a purpose and all you are doing rascoursan is bringing an argument to a thread that is designed to HELP PEOPLE. Is that how you get your kicks?

Its not for you so bugger off.

Does it really pain you that much to see someone trying to help someone else?

[OceanWinds]

lol... there are people the world over that are dangling at the end of a rope. Does that make them indigo children too?

Look... if you need a special label of "indigo child" that labels you special and different from everyone else and makes you feel important then go for it.

Buggering out...:tongue2:

[Jeff Delano]

He's trying to help people and you criticise him for it? Perhaps you should rethink your logic.

[Lunaris]

what the hell with all the baggin on 2infinityandbeyond???

i am an indigo adult and somehow have made it thru...if you want to know or even understand about something why not research first then post replies...because being an indigo is NOT an easy thing!

2infinityandbeyond at the very beginning of this thread stated that the intent behind this post was to help others and to make a space where one may ask for help if they r not having a good time,are feeling suicidal and bad, etc etc...

ANYONE that can find something negative to say about that and or attack in response is severly messed up

[Lunaris]

as far as the "separation" argument goes...well if you REALLY believe in ONE LOVE that's all you see....that's all you'll KNOW.....as i do...but i'm an indigo....so natuarally i am preprogrammed with loving everyone and everything as if it was a part of me....

[Racsouran]

This is a reply to the last two posts.

The reason im doing this, the reason im even bothering my *** writing this post and putting myself out there for other people is because im not sure if you are aware of it or not but many young people are killing themselves, dangling themselves off the end of a rope, or throwing themselves out in front of a train because the emotional difficulties they are encountering in life are too damn much for them to cope.

Now to say that all of these are indigo children would be an exajuration, but im pretty sure that many of them are.

Now if it takes me having to label them to help them THEN THATS EXACTLY WHAT IM GONNA DO.

Theres plenty of people out there who cope just fine and get on with life just fine.
Good for you Your one of the lucky ones.

But there are many people who are an inch away from dangling off the end of a rope and all you people can do is argue about labeling. Big ****** wow if i put a label on something, im doing it for a purpose and all you are doing rascoursan is bringing an argument to a thread that is designed to HELP PEOPLE. Is that how you get your kicks?

Its not for you so bugger off.

Does it really pain you that much to see someone trying to help someone else?


you are not the savior of anyone, you are asking people to shut the **** up because you think your so called task is one of a altruistic ego. But you diminish the power of the people by doing so.

the day you will recognize you knowledge is not saving anyone, the day you will change, like myself seven years ago, i was like you, just such a fool. You have NOT the power to saving anyone, even here with any hints. A forum to help people?, lol, people to be helped need much more than just saying to them "i looove you so much"", or a "you are special born"; that´s ridiculous, Ego feeding, ego desperation.

While i consider ego useful as a tool, this indigo things is the other side of the coin: one in wich sheep enters because they need sheperds: nothing really improves, all really stays the same.

C´mon sheeps, BE sheeps. You deserve it, don´t blame me, blame yourselves. Such hippocrisy....

You act like many deceivers, calling to desperation and deep awful emotional human states to justify your actions. I will never trust even the minimum 10% such kind of people. You are not the leaders of anything in this planet, period.

I don´t ******* even care what kind of mess you do here, i was only stating that you should have bumped the old topic about this indigo things, no more. Now, you got this as a consecuence of your actions, because i accept the responsability.

[371]

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[TranceAm]

There was a time that I cared about labels.

Something to identify myself with.
Something to build my self esteem upon.
Something to be accepted for by people who are so different that they can't accept me otherwise or without a label, since they recognize that I am different..

Now I don't care anymore.

And I feel

So

much

better.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3qGckVKlHA

[Racsouran]

There was a time that I cared about labels.

Something to identify myself with.
Something to build my self esteem upon.
Something to be accepted for by people who are so different that they can't accept me otherwise or without a label, since they recognize that I am different..

Now I don't care anymore.

And I feel

So

much

better.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3qGckVKlHA


Identity is a limit, and a bliss for those who can´t handle enough the human experience. Here what is encouraged, is not to dream, but to stay grounded in a reality that don´t even exists in the first place...

What i encourage is so poweful that people just hate me for giving them that much power. In that point is my fault. People see the act of using power as ridiculous as long as that act is not justified by reality.

Let me LOL. Lol, lol, and lol. So, humanity will never come out of this sh-ithellhole is in?, seems.

[Bonnie]

Isnt that everybody... I dont buy the indigo child thing, because it separates people into groups. Anything that separates or divides I dont support.

O.K., the labeling of an indigo or even a crystal does seem to separate/divide people into groups. However, non-indigos, as I understand, are capable of transitioning into indigos through spiritual development. Likewise, an indigo is able to transition into a crystal. So, there is not really a separation because non-indigos are all capable of spiritually developing themselves into the next stage of an indigo, which is then followed by the crystal. It is all about spiritual development not seperation. Please correct me if I am wrong, but this is my understanding. Also, the qualities most commonly attributed to indigos are seen as problematic by many because they can describe most people. I, myself, answered yes to more than half (16) of the questions Infinity posted. Maybe, the best bet to really know if one is truly an indigo or not would be to take an aura snapshot. I would, also, like to mention to infinity that it is great what you are trying to do in this thread. :thumb_yello:

[MMe M]

Its not as though its an easy thing and who would want to be one could they change it?

money and societies structures are impossible things to overcome. Its an exersize in fultility to be here.

Do not argue people. We must always strive for unity. Those that currently rule, seek to divide.

We will no longer give them that power over us, will we?



Honestly, the only thing that kept me from doing myself in at low points throughout my lifetime is knowing I would be reborn immediately and that I would have to repeat school again. Nothing is as debilitating to creativity nor demoralizing as an education at a public school. I tested off the charts in those idiot tests. I wouldnt do the work however so the teachers made every effort to show their disgust at such a waste as I.

[Jeff Delano]

Good job MMe M. Just imagine a world in unity. Those that rule have put in a lot of effort to divide us and make us think that it's natural to act this way, then once they did that it was easy to manipulate others so they can get their vast amount of material posessions.

[Racsouran]

Its not as though its an easy thing and who would want to be one could they change it?

money and societies structures are impossible things to overcome. Its an exersize in fultility to be here.

Do not argue people. We must always strive for unity. Those that currently rule, seek to divide.

We will no longer give them that power over us, will we?


the problem is not to encourage people not to argue, the problem is encouragin people not ot have any critical thinking skills, and doubt, and that the truth is that´s there is no truth, and that we ARE NOT, ever. ETc.

We don´t need to strive for unity, we need to strive for our dreams.

Why do you need to be in unity?, unity won´t change anything, and we are already united in our circumstances as being human beings; we have to encourage diversity, truth, freedom, expression, communication, no matter if there are all the disagreements between us that the entire universe can hold.... that don´t matters.

there will be always a ruling class put there as a test to us the ruled: there is posed a question that we can find the answer, for we to be able to travel across the stars, the universes, dimensions, and adimensionality itself. Infinity, and beyond... how ironic sounds.


when people complain about the new world order being constructed, what they want is to stay in the primitive state they find their happiness. Yes, if you are happy now, the old way, you will be screwed in the future. but what this new world order encourages as an example, has already hit your heart without even you noticing it´s relative benevolence.

so you want a new free Zeitgeist society wich will make your life to be sunk into oblivion because of the boredom wich it will produce to any observer.

Ok, it could be good for a while, till your wounds heal, and , trust me, they will. then your soul will ask for something more and you will find yourself incarnated in a troubled place like this one just for the fun of it, if reincarnation really does exists; i bet for that to happen under such circumstances.


the answers are always PARADOXES, that´s the key to the conscious changing of the DNA, i have done it myself for a long time. I am a regular kundalini user with no adverse effects since 1998. (u know, those huge rushes of electricity on the body that happens under relaxed states).

try to search or think for paradoxes under lucid dreaming, and you will surely see true awesomeness.

This ego supporting called indigo labeling is something really obsolete for me.

[hobbit]

The intent of this thread was clear, to help, to help those who are , and who are attaining a larger field, upon enlargement it takes on the colour resembling indigo.
We can all achieve this, but it is an alteration.
those who have struggled with been there already can assist, they have experienced the ridicule and constant KNOWING.
I am 58 years old, I went totally grey by the age of eleven, I have had to learn to put up with ridicule and all else.
We are ALL ONE.
I took up boxing at an early age,9, I found a way of handling the ridicule.
I never spoke until I was over five, they thought I would never speak, I didn't need to, there were others to speak to in a different way, my own friends.

We srpress the difference to conform, not anymore, I am a dowser equal to anyone else, as we are all ONE, no geniouses, just different stages of evolvement.
This is the time, as such as time is when vast alterations will occur, nobody is seperating of putting others into special box's, thats the past way.
We are all ONE, capable of supreme things.
hobbit

[Lunaris]

i feel SUICIDAL RIGHT NOW reading these negative threads!!!
why is there so much hate???
why???

[Kate]

man , you are part of the garbage you talk about, i was only asking a question when i posted here which you complete ignored, responding as the idiot you are.

I remember reading some advice by the mods on not to duplicate threads.

I wouldn´t dare to interefere in your indigo religion preachings, what a waste of time would be man; seein your dogmatic hostile attitude towards any disagreement is totally understandable.




Racsouran. :sneaky2:

The original poster of this thread clearly stated that this area is intended for 'identified indigos' only. Please be respectful of members views that differ from your own. In accordance with avalons guidelines for posting I ask you to refrain from rude and 'hostile' reactive comments. NOT cool 'man' :thumbdown:

It appears that you do not resonate with the subject matter of this thread, so I am questioning why you are using your 'energy' in this way?
lets move on and out of here with more productive contributions please!

kate

[Karen]

Maybe, the best bet to really know if one is truly an indigo or not would be to take an aura snapshot. I would, also, like to mention to infinity that it is great what you are trying to do in this thread. :thumb_yello:

There are many misunderstandings about the Indigo Child thing. It's not an aura color. It's a life color. http://indigochild.com "It is the result of scientific observations by a woman who has the brain disorder called synesthesia." http://web.mit.edu/synesthesia

Yes, its a label, like we call a chair a chair and a table a table and manage to have a conversation about things we care about. How else do we communicate until we become telepathic????:?????

Why is the indigo label so important? Well, I'll tell you a first hand story. I am one of the contributors to the first book called, "The Indigo Children." One day in my email I rececived a call for contributors. It said these Indigo children were being "MISDIAGNOSED" with ADD/ADHD and were being put on ritalin. They tend to be bright, precocious, and quite simply refuse to bow to the age old tactics for controlling children's behaviors, so they were being drugged into complyling. This book was to educate parents, teachers, etc. and was a collection of information from contributors to help everyone cope without drugging the children and to understand children were coming in with new gifts such as remembering past lives, being psychic, etc.

That's what the first book was about - not about some special person brat children in some "speshul" category. The whole concept now has a complete encyclopedia of disinformation about it. I suppose some have taken the label to an exteme form of "I'm so special, I'm Indigo." But I haven't seen that so much as 100's of parents coming to me for help, and seeing the joy an Indigo feels when they can finally connect in the discussion groups with others like themselves.

If anyone is interested in discussion groups specific to indigo children, parents, and adults PM me for the info. This doesn't seem like a very friendly place for the Indigo topic.

[Racsouran]

Racsouran. :sneaky2:

The original poster of this thread clearly stated that this area is intended for 'identified indigos' only. Please be respectful of members views that differ from your own. In accordance with avalons guidelines for posting I ask you to refrain from rude and 'hostile' reactive comments. NOT cool 'man' :thumbdown:

It appears that you do not resonate with the subject matter of this thread, so I am questioning why you are using your 'energy' in this way?
lets move on and out of here with more productive contributions please!

kate

even a mod don´t get what i have said... omg this sucks.i posted here in the first place without any "negative intention"... bfff

[2infinityandbeyond]

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[Bonnie]

There are many misunderstandings about the Indigo Child thing. It's not an aura color. It's a life color. http://indigochild.com "It is the result of scientific observations by a woman who has the brain disorder called synesthesia." http://web.mit.edu/synesthesia

Yes, its a label, like we call a chair a chair and a table a table and manage to have a conversation about things we care about. How else do we communicate until we become telepathic????:?????

Why is the indigo label so important? Well, I'll tell you a first hand story. I am one of the contributors to the first book called, "The Indigo Children." One day in my email I rececived a call for contributors. It said these Indigo children were being "MISDIAGNOSED" with ADD/ADHD and were being put on ritalin. They tend to be bright, precocious, and quite simply refuse to bow to the age old tactics for controlling children's behaviors, so they were being drugged into complyling. This book was to educate parents, teachers, etc. and was a collection of information from contributors to help everyone cope without drugging the children and to understand children were coming in with new gifts such as remembering past lives, being psychic, etc.

That's what the first book was about - not about some special person brat children in some "speshul" category. The whole concept now has a complete encyclopedia of disinformation about it. I suppose some have taken the label to an exteme form of "I'm so special, I'm Indigo." But I haven't seen that so much as 100's of parents coming to me for help, and seeing the joy an Indigo feels when they can finally connect in the discussion groups with others like themselves.

If anyone is interested in discussion groups specific to indigo children, parents, and adults PM me for the info. This doesn't seem like a very friendly place for the Indigo topic.

Thanks for guiding me in the right direction. :thumb_yello:

[2infinityandbeyond]

Yes, its a label, like we call a chair a chair and a table a table and manage to have a conversation about things we care about. How else do we communicate until we become telepathic????:?????

Why is the indigo label so important? Well, I'll tell you a first hand story. I am one of the contributors to the first book called, "The Indigo Children." One day in my email I rececived a call for contributors. It said these Indigo children were being "MISDIAGNOSED" with ADD/ADHD and were being put on ritalin. They tend to be bright, precocious, and quite simply refuse to bow to the age old tactics for controlling children's behaviors, so they were being drugged into complyling. This book was to educate parents, teachers, etc. and was a collection of information from contributors to help everyone cope without drugging the children and to understand children were coming in with new gifts such as remembering past lives, being psychic, etc.

That's what the first book was about - not about some special person brat children in some "speshul" category. The whole concept now has a complete encyclopedia of disinformation about it. I suppose some have taken the label to an exteme form of "I'm so special, I'm Indigo." But I haven't seen that so much as 100's of parents coming to me for help, and seeing the joy an Indigo feels when they can finally connect in the discussion groups with others like themselves.

If anyone is interested in discussion groups specific to indigo children, parents, and adults PM me for the info. This doesn't seem like a very friendly place for the Indigo topic.


Thank you very much for your post Heart of Gold.

My whole point with posting this... hmm, let me get a simple little analogy that should round it up for all of the people who seem adament on arguing about labeling.

If a person had cancer would you treat them like everyone else?

Or would you do the inteligent thing and aknowledge they have cancer and thus treat them accordingly.

I know far too many people who have killed themselves, and far too many who are shooting junk into their veins because they cannot cope with this world.

Not everyone is like this.

And those who are "indigo" (Yes they do exist, they have an indigo colored aura and psychics can detect them a mile away) can have a much more difficult time adjusting to this world then many other people. - Unless of course there is people out there who are willing to help them.

The likes of you Rascoursan seem determined to stop any of these efforts for whatever your reasons, its quite obvious to everyone that they are anything but honourable.
Writing complete garbage in a bid to self inflate your own ego. get a life.



And for everyone else who wrote constructive posts and stayed on-topic thank you.

[MMe M]

even a mod don´t get what i have said... omg this sucks.i posted here in the first place without any "negative intention"... bfff

Dont dispair.

I can see your point. A paradox and an enigma do keep me guessing, always wondering. I am intruiged. I could deal with natural dilemmas, people passing on of their own accord, not because of someones personal agenda. Yes it makes for good drama, and heartache makes for good theater and novels but life is pretty harsh down here in mortal land. Charles dickens and Jayne Eyre are stellar entertainments if your not starring in the lead. I could happily putter away for the rest of my life doing what I love if money werent an issue with just a tornado hitting an empty barn every five years or so. Trow in a couple of false alarm whatevers, maybe someones cat has kittens with no hair and no tails. Thats plenty of drama for me.

I cant agree with your assesment of the non unity thing though. Even if we disagree we still must bond as a people against those that seek to make chaos and pit us against each other. When they divide us they divert our attention from the problems that need immediate attention. Its an old tactic and still being used as we have not learned, not grown as we should.

We can and should be able to speak to each other, debate issues civily and still be friends at the end of the day. Its what we must learn. Are we all guilty of being an ass now and then? Yes but we can also overcome this by being gracious to one another as well.

Regarding labels, well nothing is as it seems. We are not in the package we think we are so a label is kinda a mute point.

[Racsouran]

Dont dispair.

I can see your point. A paradox and an enigma do keep me guessing, always wondering. I am intruiged. I could deal with natural dilemmas, people passing on of their own accord, not because of someones personal agenda. Yes it makes for good drama, and heartache makes for good theater and novels but life is pretty harsh down here in mortal land. Charles dickens and Jayne Eyre are stellar entertainments if your not starring in the lead. I could happily putter away for the rest of my life doing what I love if money werent an issue with just a tornado hitting an empty barn every five years or so. Trow in a couple of false alarm whatevers, maybe someones cat has kittens with no hair and no tails. Thats plenty of drama for me.

I cant agree with your assesment of the non unity thing though. Even if we disagree we still must bond as a people against those that seek to make chaos and pit us against each other. When they divide us they divert our attention from the problems that need immediate attention. Its an old tactic and still being used as we have not learned, not grown as we should.

We can and should be able to speak to each other, debate issues civily and still be friends at the end of the day. Its what we must learn. Are we all guilty of being an ass now and then? Yes but we can also overcome this by being gracious to one another as well.

Regarding labels, well nothing is as it seems. We are not in the package we think we are so a label is kinda a mute point.

don´t worry, everything would end being as always, so boring and irrelevant.... this forum, all forums... with people ranting about primitive spiritual things, useless for me. that´s how i feel, i´ts not my fault :sad:

and me, so alone and hugely powerful at the same time, that i don´t really know how to go on properly.

here, an individual makes himself leader without acknowledge there are other persons much far advanced than him in therms of spirituality. yes, i know that to say im more advance than X is a sin, but in reality, there are beings more advanced than "x". So, if this point just stated now is nonsense, it´s nonsense to try to identifiy individuals to keep them to be sheep. At the same time, those sheep deserve to remain as sheep if they choose to buy that silly option.

I have to try to say my word, no matter what. if you ban me, ok, if you don´t like me, ok, if you don´t want to be my friend, ok, but still, the most important thing, is to say what i have to say. None of you will steal me that right. I will only use it on limited circumstances.


That´s why i am a lurker, an observer; i don´t play any role here, very aware of what i want to do here on this planet. Im far beyond all this scenerio, but curious still on what this humans want to do in this rare times.

[2infinityandbeyond]

I got a message from one of the members here earlier on and i feel that everyone could benifit from the reply i sent to her.

I would ask that one of the moderators delete all of the posts here that have gone way off topic so that this thread may become as valuable as its potential allows.

So, heres the reply.


Heya!

i know i know, labels totally suck, ive never really identified with anything myself. And i used to really hate it in school the way people used to divide themselves up into different groups. Like, in my school we had the Jocks who were good at sport, The Preps who were just good at socialising and looking good, The goths who liked heavy metal and had an affinity for black, The grunge kids who listened to nirvana and then.. there was me XD I liked sport, i liked lookin nice, i liked listening to heavy metal, I loved nirvana and so on and i just couldnt understand why people would put such limitations on themselves by assigning themselves to the "designated group" , Always seemed very restricting to me.

So, Now you know im definitly not one for labels.
But, I have done much study on this over the past years and i do know that there are people in this world who are more emotionally and spiritually evolved then what one would class as normal. These people seem to have an avid interest in spirituality from a pretty young age, and seem to shun conventional methods of doing things very early on in life.

When they are young they know before anyone else tells them that going to church just doesnt feel like the correct way to express their spirituality. They feel deep down inside of themselves that there is much more to life then meets the eye.

Unfortunatly many of these poor souls end up having very difficult lives because many of them turn to drugs and violence as a way of coping with their 'abnormal' emotional and psychological reactions to the outside world. Many end up ending their own lives in a bid to escape from the pain and never come to realise their true purpose in life. A purpose which is very important ; To help others raise the conciousness of mankind.

I will put a label on myself and i will put a label on them as a means to an end. It is the only way i can figure out to help these people, and although many will disagree with my methods i know that it works because ive helped quite a few so far.

And your visions and dreams do mean something. You are here to help save the world, you are here to drag it out of the low vibrational level that has dominated gaia for many thousands of years now. And you are very important, dont let anyone tell you otherwise. You just need to realise your true potential and get a small bit of direction. You are in the perfect position to help people who may face a life like the one you have experienced. To help wake these people up to their true spiritual essence so they can continue to carry the torch and spread their wisdom to others.

Peace and love to you sister,

Your friend

Infinity

[joet1980]

Yes to everything in this list and I am currently 17. I am feeling what you describe as this hopelessness and have thought about suicide many times before. However It does feel like I just need to hold out a little longer. :yikes:

Edit: Hadn't finished reading the thread yet but I just want to say thank you to you infinity, your words really have made me feel a lot better.

[Kate]

THIS IS A VERY IMPORTANT ( AND MUCH NEEDED) THREAD. I personally feel that EVERYONE who is attracted to this subject and contributes, NEEDS to be here on some level ( concious or unconscious) we ARE connected... we ARE struggling in some form or another....and SHARING is part of the healing....
self expression is paramount for the human soul, and I hope that people will continue to keep this in mind regarding any differences of 'perspective' or opinions.

let the healing BEGIN !!

peace, love, light to you all
kate

[matronmedusa]

Personally, I believe that we can aspire to anything if we put our minds, hearts and efforts into it. When you say things like, "It'll never change, you're wasting your time, it's impossible (I HATE that word)," you've already defeated yourself.

Yes, the system sucks. Yes, though we are all one, we are still individual, each with their own contributions to make. Personally, I've been an artist/singer/writer all my life, and I remember as a young child praying to "God" to help me use them; that those gifts not be used in vain or go to waste. There is purpose for those who choose to have a purpose, because the reality is that we create our own realities...

I've been to "spiritual" forums where the discussions always amounted to "It doesn't matter anyway...This reality is but an illusion...etc" And, though I understand that level of "illusion", we must realize that WE collectively create our "illusion." To me, that's just another excuse to not have to actually work to make something happen.

So many people out there with a voice ready to condemn the "system" and preach for "unity," but all the meditation and prayer in the world isn't going to make that happen without a physical effort to back it. Monks can sit in their temples a meditate on world peace all they want, but the thought is just the first step.

Personally, I'm tired of wanting change. I'm tired of "waiting to see what will happen." What we need to do is stop talking about it and actually start organizing it. If you don't wish to have any part of it, so be it, STAY OUT OF THE WAY. There are many different currents in the "flow" of life, the glory is that we choose which currents to ride, while still "going with the flow."

Even if the next president comes in and makes health care and social security "all better," even if the economy levels out and Americans are happy to go to work and spend their money, even if another world war is deflected, it matters not. It is the same control, the same system, the same brainwashed nation.

It's time to start thinking outside of the box, as opposed to thinking in the same box that's kept us boxed in. I, personally, refuse to sit idly by any longer. If you feel the same way, here is my e-mail: matronmedusa@yahoo.com

Personally, I love a challenge, and saying "It's impossible" just presented one.

[Dadrious]

My answer is yes to most of the questions.

hmm...i've known this, but have ignored it. I don't know why...

[Sir-Chi]

Ya the whole labling thing is no good. Since the mid 90s i was labled "an Indigo Child" It really boxed me in at first until i realized that people needed a lable to allow for conversations and platforms. I'm a facilitator for the FOL organization and we teach a meditation called the Mer-Ka-Ba through the understanding of sacred geometry. Because i was picking up the sight of the energy fields in my 20s that is where the labling thing started. BUT the truth is ... YES we all have equal abilities. Its a matter of how much Intention/Attention/Love you put towards a certain subject/topic like the PINEAL GLAND. Once one starts to focus on the gland one will begin to stimulate it. Once you start stimulating it .... well the universe is all yours to play with. INTENTION / ATTENTION / LOVE

I say this to ALL energy sensitive people. There are tons of modalities in which one can assist oneself in developing their other senses. Remember we are only using 5 out of 26 senses.

As we come closer to July 25th 2013 our DNA / codons will continue to re-activate (this is an organic process which will just happen) and the Akashic records will be on the tip of our tounges.

So no more lies .... we will all just know ..... and much of the ego answers that take place on these boards will no longer exist.

So if your feeling your an INDIGO TYPE person ... great ... try not to lable yourself ... via Crystaline, Rainbow, Indigo ....etc. WE ARE ALL STAR CHILDREN .... some of us came in with more memory. We are all walking organic computers. And some of us came in at 5.0 and the children today are being born with a very high levels of sensitivity. LIKE IF THEY WERE 15.0 lol

I AM RON SIRCHIE ..... indigo consciousness and beyond .....

www.IndigoRising.net (this is our site which has been up since 02) and we've seen lots of EGO threads through the years ...... but that will all change here after the panic driven, fear seeking people realize ..... the UNITY .... and THE GREAT SHIFT is more real then they could have every imagined.

TO A RISE IN CONSCIOUSNESS
with much,
LOVE, LIGHT AND LAUGHTER
Sir-Chi::wink2:

[GoingToFast]

don´t worry, everything would end being as always, so boring and irrelevant.... this forum, all forums... with people ranting about primitive spiritual things, useless for me. that´s how i feel, i´ts not my fault :sad:

and me, so alone and hugely powerful at the same time, that i don´t really know how to go on properly.

here, an individual makes himself leader without acknowledge there are other persons much far advanced than him in therms of spirituality. yes, i know that to say im more advance than X is a sin, but in reality, there are beings more advanced than "x". So, if this point just stated now is nonsense, it´s nonsense to try to identifiy individuals to keep them to be sheep. At the same time, those sheep deserve to remain as sheep if they choose to buy that silly option.

I have to try to say my word, no matter what. if you ban me, ok, if you don´t like me, ok, if you don´t want to be my friend, ok, but still, the most important thing, is to say what i have to say. None of you will steal me that right. I will only use it on limited circumstances.


That´s why i am a lurker, an observer; i don´t play any role here, very aware of what i want to do here on this planet. Im far beyond all this scenerio, but curious still on what this humans want to do in this rare times.

Racsouran, hasn´t it occurred to you that maby you yourself are an Indigo-child , I have been reading this thread and from what I see when I read your posts is that you fall under many of the criteria that Infinity is stating in hear original post. Racsouran turn of your computer walk out the door and out into the real world the world you can not escape from, go to the nearest Cafe´ sit down and drink a cup and just look at people.

[eurosceptic]

Have you heard of Jason Andrews?


http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=5N1bb4L9m8E



Could well be legit indigo but maybe a little expoitation going on....bending off the truth....and...dollar bill y'all!!?

To be fair - this happens to all sorts of people and manifests in different ways and the people involved react in their ways in accordance to their relationship to the world and society...it could well be legit but maybe the message has been lost a tad by these contradictions...the public arn't totally daft after all!!

This is worth listening to purely for the south wales accent!

[2infinityandbeyond]

Ok, i had intended a valid direction with this thread and i guess now is a good time to post something that would walk us in that direction.

There are plenty of people out there who disagree with the whole concept of Indigo children. I do admit that i myself was very sceptical when i encountered the whole subject and it took me many hours of research and many more of personal experience to come to the conclusion that yes, Indigos do exist. And i am labeling them as 'indigos' so that when i refer to them you will know what im talking about. I do not label them as such in a bid to grant them elitism or superiority. I label them as i would label this computer. Because everytime i refer to my computer it would be a terribly daunting task to write out exactly what it is, how many cables run through it, how many watts of energy travels through this specific cable, how that little blue light flashes when its turned on, how many revolutions the little fan inside completes per minute. Instead of going into extreme detail and writing five pages worth of information whem im refering to my 'computer', i instead call it a 'computer' because it is the common name we refer to when we explain such a complicated little machine.


So before we talk about 'Indigos' I would ask that you research the subject thouraghly so that when we are talking about it we are on common ground. Just to avoid any misconceptions or misunderstandings.

We as human beings like to label things. We label things so people who share an interest can have a common understanding of what something is.
We label 24 men running around a field kicking a ball of leather into box shaped nets 'football'. It makes the whole job of conversation much easier when we do this. I label people who are more evolved spiritualy and emotionally as indigo children. And when i call them more evolved i in no way call them superior. They are more evolved in the same respect that a butterfly is more evolved then a caterpiller. Or a mathmatician is more evolved at mathematics then I am.

There has been an influx of these kind of people incarnating on planet earth over the past fifty years. These people do not care for the old way of being. They cannot understand the masculine hormone driven, war torn world we are surrounded by. They wish for something better, because they come from something better.

The difference between an indigo and a non-indigo is that indigos have already learned the lessons that are to be learned here on planet earth. They have evolved past this stage of conciesness.

This may seem hard to swallow but that is my conclusion.

Indigos are here for a very important reason. They are here to help raise the vibrational frequency of the planet earth. Although many animals are vibrating at the specific frequency that allows mother earth to continue along her evolution, the majority of humans are not.

So being an indigo is one thing. But acting on it is what fulfills your mission. We are not here to play around or make money. Im quite sure many of you have already come to the realisation that happiness is not to be found in material objects.

I would like to continue this thread with the initial intention of helping to awaken those people to their true spiritual essence. And hopefully they will remember that they are here for a reason, a very important reason at that.

I do not see myself as a leader, i do not see myself as superior. I see myself as someone who is responsible in his knowlege to awaken those who are still sleeping. This is my job, and its why i am here.


Now, no more explanations, I want this thread to go back on topic please and thank you.

[Dadrious]

Ok, i had intended a valid direction with this thread and i guess now is a good time to post something that would walk us in that direction.

There are plenty of people out there who disagree with the whole concept of Indigo children. I do admit that i myself was very sceptical when i encountered the whole subject and it took me many hours of research and many more of personal experience to come to the conclusion that yes, Indigos do exist. And i am labeling them as 'indigos' so that when i refer to them you will know what im talking about. I do not label them as such in a bid to grant them elitism or superiority. I label them as i would label this computer. Because everytime i refer to my computer it would be a terribly daunting task to write out exactly what it is, how many cables run through it, how many watts of energy travels through this specific cable, how that little blue light flashes when its turned on, how many revolutions the little fan inside completes per minute. Instead of going into extreme detail and writing five pages worth of information whem im refering to my 'computer', i instead call it a 'computer' because it is the common name we refer to when we explain such a complicated little machine.


So before we talk about 'Indigos' I would ask that you research the subject thouraghly so that when we are talking about it we are on common ground. Just to avoid any misconceptions or misunderstandings.

We as human beings like to label things. We label things so people who share an interest can have a common understanding of what something is.
We label 24 men running around a field kicking a ball of leather into box shaped nets 'football'. It makes the whole job of conversation much easier when we do this. I label people who are more evolved spiritualy and emotionally as indigo children. And when i call them more evolved i in no way call them superior. They are more evolved in the same respect that a butterfly is more evolved then a caterpiller. Or a mathmatician is more evolved at mathematics then I am.

There has been an influx of these kind of people incarnating on planet earth over the past fifty years. These people do not care for the old way of being. They cannot understand the masculine hormone driven, war torn world we are surrounded by. They wish for something better, because they come from something better.

The difference between an indigo and a non-indigo is that indigos have already learned the lessons that are to be learned here on planet earth. They have evolved past this stage of conciesness.

This may seem hard to swallow but that is my conclusion.

Indigos are here for a very important reason. They are here to help raise the vibrational frequency of the planet earth. Although many animals are vibrating at the specific frequency that allows mother earth to continue along her evolution, the majority of humans are not.

So being an indigo is one thing. But acting on it is what fulfills your mission. We are not here to play around or make money. Im quite sure many of you have already come to the realisation that happiness is not to be found in material objects.

I would like to continue this thread with the initial intention of helping to awaken those people to their true spiritual essence. And hopefully they will remember that they are here for a reason, a very important reason at that.

I do not see myself as a leader, i do not see myself as superior. I see myself as someone who is responsible in his knowlege to awaken those who are still sleeping. This is my job, and its why i am here.


Now, no more explanations, I want this thread to go back on topic please and thank you.

:thumb_yello:

[Dantheman62]

Excellent thread 2infinityandbeyond, I fit into about 90% of your first post but have never considered being indigo, I couldn't wait to get out of school and get on with life!, so actually I quit in my senior year. I've always fit in with all types of people but I think it's because I was a heavy pot smoker and used that as a social equal kinda just to fit in with all types. And I wonder if smoking pot for 30 years has actually suppressed some of my higher feelings and thoughts. I've always been extremely intuitive and able to read people very well, oh, and the labeling thing is just fine, if you had cans in front of you with no labels how would you know which one is chicken soup and which one is tomato! In fact you would have to open them all up, so it's alot easier to put a label on them. PEACE

[Kate]

QUOTE
"Racsouran, hasn´t it occurred to you that maby you yourself are an Indigo-child , I have been reading this thread and from what I see when I read your posts is that you fall under many of the criteria that Infinity is stating in hear original post." QUOTE


:thumb_yello: :wink2: ABSOLUTELY! case closed. :tears:

we are all teacher/student

peace

[bowspearer]

I'm 29 and I think I might be an indigo. So much of that I answered yes to, but at the same time, I answered no to some of the the less altruistic trait based questions. Is that even possible though? I just read somewhere that the oldest Indigo is supposed to be 25, which puts me at 4 years too old for it to be possible if that's true.

This is really confusing. I don't feel like I've ever been reincarnated, yet I was in turn with the spiritual from my teens. Around that time I had psychic dreams frequently (literally dreaming future events - my mother told me she also has once or twice - and they often came true), I'm very emotional (I've had exes complain that I'm even more emotional than they are), I've battled with suicidal depression for years, and I've often had strong gut feelings. I'm Catholic by upbringing and through that I've had several powerful experiences with the holy spirit. I'm also very aware of my aura- even though I can't see it. When I was 15, I was diagnosed with very mild ADD.

It sounds like I might be indigo, but I don't know. This is really confusing. I just know that I've never really fit in much of anywhere and yet at the same time, I can't shake the feeling that life has a significant destiny planned for me.

If anyone out there can shed some light on this, I'd appreciate it.

[matronmedusa]

I was 100% yes on all of them...

I am just what I am; no matter how I am perceived. I just do what's in my heart, and that's all any of us can do to be effective anythings! :thumb_yello:

[Jeff Delano]

One thing I have to add, I've never heard of Indigo's before I came to this website. Prior to this website I learned from the Ra channelling of the Law of One, found at www.lawofone.info, that who you refer to as Indigo's are called wanderers.

Wanderers are either a 4th, 5th, or 6th density conscious soul incarnated in to a 3rd density body. Basically, they aren't natives to the earth sphere, they evolved on some other planet and decided to incarnate into earth to help. Hope this helped out.

[micjer]

Thanks for posting this infinity.

I would not consider myself one, but my 19 year old son fits 90% of the description. He is very involved in the current events. I showed him this post and he could not believe what he was reading. He said that it all made sense. Luckily he hasn't experienced the suicidal feelings but the rest is so true. He has been feeling empathy to all of his friends and has late night talks with friends trying to explain things.

Your post helps me understand better about his personality in regards to hating school and concentrating on work that he isn't interested in.

I had not heard of Indigo children so I looked it up on Wikipedia. There is a very good description there.:original:

[Lunaris]

i have read the Ra readings law of one too! yeah there are more types of wanderers than just the indigos...i am indigo too....the next evolution is the "crystal" children...
indigos are here to "clear the way" rebellious and mouthy we are so that the next evolutions can take the baton so to speak....

[OceanWinds]

buggering back in...

Rascouran you have alot of valid points, but dont spin yourself into a frenzy and clash with others. Fires dont build bridges.


Both sides arent completely disagreeing with each other. All Rascouran is trying to do is break everyone from labeling themselves. It complicates things when we label them. I fall under a large amount of all the above of the listed, but I do not see myself as an Indigo Child, I just see myself. And Experience Myself.

Here is what I mean. When I was in Grade 8 I hated school... almost every class. But one thing that has stuck in my mind lately was art class. We were had to sit down, listen to the teacher, and draw as the teacher told us to. Then we were graded on how well we did on the teaching. WTF kinda art is that... the only inspiration there is not getting a bad grade. And if we did something outside the rules, we would lose. Anyway since that time I have had a hard time doing some creative stuff like art. And its not just art... its everything. Art, Science, Music, Literature... name it. I did not enjoy it because there was no inspiration... so I began to rebel, and become negative.

The point of the story is that I was forced into a situation at school where I had to disobey my spirit... my inner guidance. I wasnt allowed to express myself, or do what my soul craved in order to learn. And I did not have the tools to deal with it at the time, so I became negative.

And my conclusion is this... I dont need to call myself an Indigo child to see the problems with not being allowed to follow my spirit. I dont need categorize myself into a group and distance myself from others to get some sort of explanation. I just need to follow my spirit, and its that simple. And its the same for everyone the world around. Its no different for anyone in the human race. Because when we categorize ourselves it does separate us. And if anyone likes I can post many pages of examples of this...

buggering out again...

[Swanny]

Not this ******** again. :lol3:
No one is better than anyone else, we are all spirits here on Earth to learn our own lessons in our chosen lifestyles.
I could claim to being an indigo but I'm not up my own **** so I wont.
Anyway ther's no such thing, so just get on with your lives and stop being pompous twats :tongue2:

[Dadrious]

Not this ******** again. :lol3:
No one is better than anyone else, we are all spirits here on Earth to learn our own lessons in our chosen lifestyles.
I could claim to being an indigo but I'm not up my own **** so I wont.
Anyway ther's no such thing, so just get on with your lives and stop being pompous twats :tongue2:

Are you proud of that post?

[Swanny]

Are you proud of that post?
Yea fed up with people thinking they are better than someone else

[OceanWinds]

Yea fed up with people thinking they are better than someone else

you just opened up the flood gates to indigo victim land with that statement....

[Dadrious]

you just opened up the flood gates to indigo victim land with that statement....

Well, you guys have fun with the latest argument.

[Dantheman62]

Yea fed up with people thinking they are better than someone else
Don't be an idiot swanney, it's not about being better or worse, it's about defining if you are indigo. Did you read the thread from the begining? I hate what I call thread jumpers that just pop around putting their two cents in without reading the thread.

[OceanWinds]

Well, you guys have fun with the latest argument.

what of it?

[bowspearer]

But is taking it as making you something special a bad thing. I don't know about everyone else, but I've been made to feel my entire life like I was less than nothing, that I didn't fit in and was nothing special. The idea that I could be something special and with a special destiny is refreshingly and significantly affirming.

I say why not enjoy the fact that we are special and separate, as guides to others to try and show them the way so that they can get there too in the end. I mean sociaety already excludes us and treats us as being different, so why not make that excusion be a positive thing instead of a negative thing :).

[GOTZEUS]

:wub2:

[Lunaris]

this whole thread has gotten entirely convoluted and raped by the haters out there...

LISTEN.....MAKE YOUR LIFE EASIER....

if you are so inclined to get upset or feel like you have to attack another person because you don't 100% agree with what they say.....

THEN JUST LEAVE!!!! EASY AS THAT!!! DON'T EVEN LOOK IN THE THREAD!!! PRETEND IT ISNT THERE!!!

your hating ways will only make us tighter and stronger....

but you will suffer yourselves from the negative energy you inflict on others.

[Savoyya]

Im indigo and ive known it for 2 years now. While i dont care about labels (indigos are pretty rebellious and hate labels in general), being able to identify why we feel different, with a common word, allows us to find web sites and other places where we can meet with people sharing the same difficulties we have/had to deal with, where we can help each other.

As an example, im an empath. For all my life i was struggling in public, especially when there were crowds around me (Xmass shopping, large parties, big malls, big expositions, etc). Being in such places would make me feel aggressive and give me a headache in my forehead. Never knew it was because i was empath till i started reading about indigos and started posting on an indigo msg board. The problem (headache and aggressivity) i described here is quite common amongst empaths, we unintentionally soak in the emotions of the people around us and it creates confusion and quite an overload.... imagine having all these different kinds of conflicting emotions into yourself all at once. :shocked: Talking about it allowed me to understand what was happening, and other people who had overcame it helped me into dealing with it with meditation techniques. Im now doing much better in public, and i stopped avoiding crowds.

So anyways i see nothing wrong with calling myself an indigo. Its not like im walking in the street with an indigo label on my forehead (unless you can read auras that is) :lmfao:

There was also someone who mentioned being 29 years old, saying he was too old to be an indigo. Well what ive got to say about that is there were indigos on the earth since forever, but they used to be very few and far between, the low vibrations of the earth just couldnt support many of them at once. Its only in the mid 80's that they started coming in masses, as the frequencies on earth started rising up, and crystal children followed after. But there have been indigos coming in from the 60's gradually increasing in numbers (but keep in mind you might find older indigos than that still).

We all have a reason why we came to the earth at this time. Some of us just have stronger memories / intuitions about it than others, thats all. That doesnt make us better than anyone, unless you think that being in a depression at the age of 3 and being suicidal at the age of 5 is being better than you. We are all struggling in our own ways. But being able to talk with people who understand our problems and who help us overcome them is pretty nice. This is why its nice to have slapped a word on it, IMO.

So anyways if you are against like minded people helping each other out, you should just zip it, or go make your own thread and duke it out there. This thread here is about helping people, like it or not... :original:

[Swanny]

My point is I can tick all the boxes that say I am a indigo, but I wouldn't dream of saying that I'm better than any one else out there.
That's exacally the same as me saying that because I'm English I'm better than anyone from America :original:

[bowspearer]

I don't think anyone has said that their lives have had more value than someone else's here because they're indigo, but here's the thing. Most of us have had difficult childhoods and most of us have been ostracised by society, like some kind of freak. By defining ourselves as indigo, with positive reason for existence and destiny, we empower ourselves through that ostracism, and turn a major negative into a major positive.

[2infinityandbeyond]

Not this ******** again. :lol3:
No one is better than anyone else, we are all spirits here on Earth to learn our own lessons in our chosen lifestyles.
I could claim to being an indigo but I'm not up my own **** so I wont.
Anyway ther's no such thing, so just get on with your lives and stop being pompous twats :tongue2:



Yes actually some people are 'better' then others.

My source of reference here is the common dictionary that we all aknowledge to be true, so this isnt based on speculation ; Its based on fact


In the english dictionary 'positive' has many definitions. And all of them are of a good nature, a better and more constructive nature then negativity ;

pos·i·tive ;

adj.

1. Characterized by or displaying certainty, acceptance, or affirmation: a positive answer; positive criticism.
2. Measured or moving forward or in a direction of increase or progress.
3. Explicitly or openly expressed or laid down: a positive demand.
4. Admitting of no doubt; irrefutable: positive proof.
5.
a. Very sure; confident: I'm positive he's right. See Synonyms at sure.
b. Overconfident; dogmatic.
6. Formally or arbitrarily determined; prescribed.
7. Concerned with practical rather than theoretical matters.
8. Composed of or characterized by the presence of particular qualities or attributes; real.
9. Philosophy
a. Of or relating to positivism.
b. Of or relating to laws imposed by human authority rather than by nature or reason alone: "the glaring discrepancy between American positive law and natural rights" David Brion Davis.
c. Of or relating to religion based on revelation rather than on nature or reason alone.
10. Informal Utter; absolute: a positive darling.
11. Mathematics
a. Relating to or designating a quantity greater than zero.
b. Relating to or designating the sign (+).
c. Relating to or designating a quantity, number, angle, or direction opposite to another designated as negative.
12. Physics Relating to or designating an electric charge of a sign opposite to that of an electron.
13. Medicine Indicating the presence of a particular disease, condition, or organism: a positive test for pregnancy.
14. Biology Indicating or characterized by response or motion toward the source of a stimulus, such as light: positive tropism.
15. Having the areas of light and dark in their original and normal relationship, as in a photographic print made from a negative.
16. Grammar Of, relating to, or being the simple uncompared degree of an adjective or adverb, as opposed to either the comparative or superlative.
17. Driven by or generating power directly through intermediate machine parts having little or no play: positive drive.
n.
1. An affirmative element or characteristic.
2. Mathematics A quantity greater than zero.
3. Physics A positive electric charge.
4. A photographic image in which the lights and darks appear as they do in nature.
5. Grammar
a. The uncompared degree of an adjective or adverb.
b. A word in this degree.
6. Music A division of some pipe organs, similar in sound to the great but smaller and less powerful.


When we look at the word negative we can see that it posses very few traits that would be considered more constructive or better then those which define positivity. They are considered worse ;


neg·a·tive (ng-tv)
adj.
1.
a. Expressing, containing, or consisting of a negation, refusal, or denial: gave a negative answer to our request.
b. Indicating opposition or resistance: a negative reaction to the new advertising campaign.
2. Lacking positive or constructive features, especially:
a. Unpleasant; disagreeable: had a negative experience on his first job.
b. Gloomy; pessimistic: a negative outlook.
c. Unfavorable or detrimental: a negative review; a negative effect on the child's development.
d. Hostile or disparaging; malicious: ran a negative campaign against her opponent.
3. Medicine Not indicating the presence of a particular disease, condition, or organism.
4. Logic Designating a proposition that denies agreement between a subject and its predicate.
5. Mathematics
a. Of or relating to a quantity less than zero.
b. Of or relating to the sign (-).
c. Of or relating to a quantity to be subtracted from another.

d. Of or relating to a quantity, number, angle, velocity, or direction in a sense opposite to another of the same magnitude indicated or understood to be positive.
6. Physics
a. Of or relating to an electric charge of the same sign as that of an electron, indicated by the symbol (-).
b. Of or relating to a body having an excess of electrons.
7. Chemistry Of or relating to an ion, the anion, that is attracted to a positive electrode.
8. Biology Moving or turning away from a stimulus, such as light: a negative tropism.
n.
1. A statement or act indicating or expressing a contradiction, denial, or refusal.
2.
a. A statement or act that is highly critical of another or of others: campaign advertising that was based solely on negatives.
b. Something that lacks all positive, affirmative, or encouraging features; an element that is the counterpoint of the positive: "Life is full of overwhelming odds. You can't really eliminate the negatives but you can diminish them" Art Linkletter.
c. A feature or characteristic that is not deemed positive, affirmative, or desirable: "As voters get to know his liberal views, his negatives will rise" Richard M. Nixon.
3. Grammar A word or part of a word, such as no, not, or non-, that indicates negation. See Usage Note at double negative.
4. The side in a debate that contradicts or opposes the question being debated.
5.
a. An image in which the light areas of the object rendered appear dark and the dark areas appear light.
b. A film, plate, or other photographic material containing such an image.
6. Mathematics A negative quantity.
tr.v. neg·a·tived, neg·a·tiv·ing, neg·a·tives
1. To refuse to approve; veto.
2. To deny; contradict.
3. To demonstrate to be false; disprove.
4. To counteract or neutralize.

The word negativity doesnt contain very many definitions that could be considered good. To say that negativity, or negative people are better the positivity or positive people is a contradiction of terms.

Our universe strives to be better. The organisms on this planet strive to become something more, the caterpillar strives to become a butterfly. This is evolution, evolution goes in a positive direction.

When i use the term indigo, im using it as a reference point. Im not just here to help them but also to help people who are of a positive nature. Indigos are positive, their deepest negativities stem from their very positive characteristics.

It would be correct to say that using indigos as a reference point from where i can talk to people who are of a positive nature may seem a bit like a massive generalisation but i know for a fact that people who are of true positive nature will resonate with the whole concept and its the best possible term i can think of that has this effect to draw positive people in to come together and sit down and talk. As a people we have lost this connection to one another, i would like to see this built up but personally i would much rather build these connections with positive rather then negative people.

There are already quite a few who responded negativly to this thread. It expresses your true nature. Ive also seen quite a few who have responded positivly and in a rational respectfull manner so i can tell the difference between who and who i do not want to share my time with.

[2infinityandbeyond]

So.. if you think George Walker Bush is "better" then us then your not on my team buddy. We are better then him. We want whats good for this planet and he just wants to see it destroyed with his reptilian brained mentality.

That is the only instance where i would call Indigos 'better' then anyone else.We are all better the some of the murderous scum out there and so are you. Not everyone is equal, everyone is different. Everyone has their flaws, but i assure you, i consider myself much better and superior then the likes of Hitler.

[Swanny]

I was sat in the garden and thought it was about time someone replied to this thread so I came in to have a look and here you are :)
Great stuff

Anyway you need a balance yin and yang
As for being possitive, you definitely are no better than me and I'm positive about that ;)

[2infinityandbeyond]

I was sat in the garden and thought it was about time someone replied to this thread so I came in to have a look and here you are :)
Great stuff

Anyway you need a balance yin and yang
As for being possitive, you definitely are no better than me and I'm positive about that ;)

I never said i was. It was you who said that.

[Swanny]

No I think we are the same/equal whether or not one or both of us are indigo

[Merlyn]

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According to the concept of holography (holographic universe) or the One
then all of us have each other and the entire creation within us. Thus ALL
of us have Indigo and all other things within us. According to this idea we
are not better but we might be more "aware" of our connections with all
of creation. The Maya say "In Lak'ech" which might translate as meaning
"I am another You".

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[OceanWinds]

So.. if you think George Walker Bush is "better" then us then your not on my team buddy. We are better then him. We want whats good for this planet and he just wants to see it destroyed with his reptilian brained mentality.

That is the only instance where i would call Indigos 'better' then anyone else.We are all better the some of the murderous scum out there and so are you. Not everyone is equal, everyone is different. Everyone has their flaws, but i assure you, i consider myself much better and superior then the likes of Hitler.

Wow... so much negativity and elitism. You are not better than Hitler, GWB, or anyone or any of histories tyrants. You are not less than Jesus, Buddha, Krishna, Ghandi, Mother Teresa or anyone else. You just are... everything is. Actions can be judged, but the way a person acts can change. Compassion is everything. The self proclamation that a "i" am better than another is just another elitist thought form.

Who is to say that these peoples actions are not necessary for the whole of humanity to evolve. It is the catalyst for change. When a person has nothing, they have nothing to lose and everything to gain. And its the same for the whole of humanity. Think of it this way, we are all allowed to be exposed to these "negative" events... and there must be a reason for it.

The more I see the posts of self proclaimed indigos... the more I see people who are suffering, and are looking for something to explain it.

[Racsouran]

Wow... so much negativity and elitism. You are not better than Hitler, GWB, or anyone or any of histories tyrants. You are not less than Jesus, Buddha, Krishna, Ghandi, Mother Teresa or anyone else. You just are... everything is. Actions can be judged, but the way a person acts can change. Compassion is everything. The self proclamation that a "i" am better than another is just another elitist thought form.

Who is to say that these peoples actions are not necessary for the whole of humanity to evolve. It is the catalyst for change. When a person has nothing, they have nothing to lose and everything to gain. And its the same for the whole of humanity. Think of it this way, we are all allowed to be exposed to these "negative" events... and there must be a reason for it.

The more I see the posts of self proclaimed indigos... the more I see people who are suffering, and are looking for something to explain it.


i don´t think that he´s being negative and elitist, he just attacks reality with the weapons he has at his disposal against the things he sees as a threat to his agenda. His purpose is to defend the idea of life he has the way he believe he have to. Bluntly, that is the mathematical equation exposed.

but from my perspective compassion is just sinonimous of being judgmental.


When there is pain, there is evolution, when there is not pain, there is not evolution. the indigo issue is nothing i would discuss here as it has been already discussed.

[dolphin]

2INFINITY...hey just leave these morans to themselves. SWANNY AND THE OTHER just need attention like brats that they are. don't let their negativity affect you. but i have to add:

swanny...could you go to another site and give your unwanted 2 cents. in fact it's not even worth that. read the first statement at the beginning of this thread--MORAN!...
you have nothing of value to add. you are very insecure and upset you're not an indigo. you just create negativity!!!

you don't agree, SO WHAT, JUST LEAVE THE POST!!!!!

i can't believe someone like you is even on this forum.

[ForsakenFalcon]

2INFINITY...hey just leave these morans to themselves. SWANNY AND THE OTHER just need attention like brats that they are. don't let their negativity affect you. but i have to add:

swanny...could you go to another site and give your unwanted 2 cents. in fact it's not even worth that. read the first statement at the beginning of this thread--MORAN!...
you have nothing of value to add. you are very insecure and upset you're not an indigo. you just create negativity!!!

you don't agree, SO WHAT, JUST LEAVE THE POST!!!!!

i can't believe someone like you is even on this forum.


I agree.

[Racsouran]

2INFINITY...hey just leave these morans to themselves. SWANNY AND THE OTHER just need attention like brats that they are. don't let their negativity affect you. but i have to add:

swanny...could you go to another site and give your unwanted 2 cents. in fact it's not even worth that. read the first statement at the beginning of this thread--MORAN!...
you have nothing of value to add. you are very insecure and upset you're not an indigo. you just create negativity!!!

you don't agree, SO WHAT, JUST LEAVE THE POST!!!!!

i can't believe someone like you is even on this forum.


so i got a warning point by trowing an insult. Yeah, i see how this XXXX works. At least i see why i "waste" my time here, in this forum: there is nothing better on this planet; this is the cutting edge. :(

[NatureGirl]

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[Swanny]

Wow!!!! Dolphin you seem to have a problem mate, so in your reality no one is entitled to an opinion unless it fits with yours??

[Sanat]

I found a nice little article with a good definition of a socalled "star seed" (I prefer that term to "indigo"):

Starseeds are people that have their spiritual story on planets other than Earth. By this I mean they have reincarnated on other planets before being born here. There are more Starseeds here now than at any point in our history.

http://www.book-of-thoth.com/article1702.html

[OceanWinds]

look I am not trying to win anyone over here... the ego has been around since the beginning, and cannot be changed unless its done by the individual themselves (this goes for both sides of the debate). All I care about really is that you feel good... if being an indigo resonates with you then roll with it. Use it to make the world a better place. My only problem is that labels often cause people to break apart as opposed to unify. If you use the indigo label to unify... then by all means do it.

But if a person uses it to throw themselves pity parties, blame establishment and everyone for all their problems, and lives their lives in a degenerative manner... then they are wasting their time and energy. And most likely draining others peoples time and energy the process.


P.S. Sanat I have heard about this before, and see it as a total possibility.

[Merlyn]

=
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In a way everyone is a Star Seed.

Our Sun is a Star.

Each of us is in a sense is a Seed of our Sun.

The Hopi say something like seeds of the new life are sprouting in the souls of humble people and the same seeds are being planted in the stars. And this relates to the coming Fifth World.

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[Sanat]

Yes, in the absolute sense everyone is a "soul/being" which came from Source and are on a journey back to Source. I refer often to Hawkins scale of consciousness (http://consciousnessproject.org/page.asp?PageID=14) 1-1000. I think this scale can be a bit misleading for the competative ego. It could perhaps better be expressed as a negative scale like this:

0 is the top of the scale instead of 1000 and -1000 represents the lowest point on the scale. What I mean is that the scale is always negative until the journey ends in which you reach the zero-point. The point being that everyone has embarked on a journey from 0 into "negativity/dualism" and some has choosen to go deeper into the negative scale than others. Sooner or later all will return to the zero-point with a lot of wisdom gained on the way...

However, I do think the intention of this thread is a bit more "down to earth" and not so "absolute" as this. But what the heck right:original:.

[2infinityandbeyond]

look I am not trying to win anyone over here... the ego has been around since the beginning, and cannot be changed unless its done by the individual themselves (this goes for both sides of the debate). All I care about really is that you feel good... if being an indigo resonates with you then roll with it. Use it to make the world a better place. My only problem is that labels often cause people to break apart as opposed to unify. If you use the indigo label to unify... then by all means do it.

But if a person uses it to throw themselves pity parties, blame establishment and everyone for all their problems, and lives their lives in a degenerative manner... then they are wasting their time and energy. And most likely draining others peoples time and energy the process.


P.S. Sanat I have heard about this before, and see it as a total possibility.

I'm not trying to use the indigo tag so people will feel they have an excuse for living a life that they would hardly consider ideal. The whole point is about empowering people to realise that they are their own leaders. Thats each and every one of us.

And i do know for a fact that "indigos" carry with them into this world a much higher vibration then that which has been the norm for thousands of years.

If you refer to the hundreth monkey effect you will understand that conciousness is unified. When enough of these people realise 'who they are' and start opening up their energy centres to direct devine light into this world that is when changes are gonna start happening.

Its already underway, there are thousands of people 'waking up' each day. Their starting to question the current system, and this would not have happened unless 'indigos' and any other highly positive orientated souls incarnated at this very time.

So quit it with the bloody arguing. I am better then the likes of George Bush. I have love for my people and love for all of Gods creatures.
And untill you can start to accept that there are people who are much "better" then the current leaders of society then our current civilisation will never turn around. Quit acting like babies throwing generalisations on top of everything, we all know we are 'equal' but if you continue to keep playing this "all men are equal (because in this world, their not)" bullsh!t then you'll continue to be blinded by the false societal conditioning that is keeping everyone locked in this slave wage society.

George Bush, Dick Cheney, Condalise Rice, Hitler, Stalin ; All of these people are/were working from lower levels of conciousness. They are locked in the Reptilian survival portion of their brains. They seem to lack any pure spirit. Until we start empowering ourselves by saying we are better then these tyrants! we will never be free.

You cannot say they are your equal. They would kill you before admit their equality to you. Have some common sense and break free of that silly societal conditioning.

This isnt about elitism, Its not very smart to refer to such specific generalisations when the whole concept is a topic worthy of a conversation in itself.

[merkabagirl]

So this post is back....hot topic! I cried the 1st time I read Infinity's post. It touched me on many deep levels. I felt a connection and desire 2 reach out. I thought the idea of offering support 2 others was honoroable. (Perhaps a support group on-site?) All my life I've refused labels such as bi-polar, manic depressive, PTSD, addict... partly because I fear labels and don't believe in putting people in boxes when we don't understand and partly because I didn't seem the 'same' as other people I'd witnessed with these 'mental disorders'. They suffered the same alienation but didn't have a sense of spiritual purpose, experience multi-dimensional visions or feel connected to extratererstial source, etc. I have felt extremely lonely and isolated in my 49 years on this planet especially in the past year. I don't need a label only 2 know someone else out there can understand /empathize with me...that I'm not alone. (I actually saw an interview with Sinead O'Conner where she discussed her battle with being bi-polar. She felt that once she was given the label it actually helped her as now she had something to work with on her journey to healing ...different strokes,different folks). I believe we all need 2 be more compassionate and slower to condemn and criticize if this awakened existence is to truly manifest ... can we give one another space to be?
The Buddhists believe people manifest in this life in 1 of 3 stages ... those who've never heard of awakening ... those who have heard and are consciously walking the path ... and the rare avatars who are enlightened. We are all at different stages on our journey to Source. Some believe that there are people on the planet operating from the ol paradigm of Pisces consciousness, some have embraced the more awakened Aquarian consciuosness and some are drawing from the next Capricornian consciousness ... a fluid sea of awareness ... no jagged linear boxed edges ... flow into flow ... mind into mind of one ... thanks to all the rainbow colored people out there!

[OceanWinds]

You want to discuss the details... you got it

I'm not trying to use the indigo tag so people will feel they have an excuse for living a life that they would hardly consider ideal. The whole point is about empowering people to realise that they are their own leaders. Thats each and every one of us.

This I agree and disagree on. Indigo is just a label... its a set of rules that a person uses to define themselves. This definition limits a persons potential, and there by limits their power. A person can realize they are their own leader without labeling themselves, and looking within. And by categorizing ourselves, we are seperating ourselves from each other... by labeling yourself as an indigo, you have now created a duality. Indigos... and those who are not indigos... and you categorize them into a box you call negative, and judge them by it. Infact you even feel you are better than them... and have said it many times.

And i do know for a fact that "indigos" carry with them into this world a much higher vibration then that which has been the norm for thousands of years.

Please show the evidence... if you know this is a fact. Because as it stands I do not see any difference between any human.

If you refer to the hundreth monkey effect you will understand that conciousness is unified. When enough of these people realise 'who they are' and start opening up their energy centres to direct devine light into this world that is when changes are gonna start happening.

I understand very well consciousness is unified. And I agree that when people polarize their thinking to well-being, it has a chain effect on the planet. This is not something anyone will argue. Questions now remain after these statements. Is indigo a state of mind? or is it a perpetual state of being that cannot be changed?

Its already underway, there are thousands of people 'waking up' each day. Their starting to question the current system, and this would not have happened unless 'indigos' and any other highly positive orientated souls incarnated at this very time.

So now according to you there are three groups. There are indigos, highly positive souls, and those who are degenerates to the world. And if it were not for the highly positive oriented souls and indigos everyone would be lost to the dark forces. By implication you saying that indigos are the saviours of humanity because just by being here they are waking everyone up.

But so far from many of the self proclaimed indigos here I have seen some pretty degenerative stuff. And when they are questioned, the ones who act degeneratively get upset. Hardly the actions of a saviour...

So quit it with the bloody arguing. I am better then the likes of George Bush. I have love for my people and love for all of Gods creatures.
And untill you can start to accept that there are people who are much "better" then the current leaders of society then our current civilisation will never turn around. Quit acting like babies throwing generalisations on top of everything, we all know we are 'equal' but if you continue to keep playing this "all men are equal (because in this world, their not)" bullsh!t then you'll continue to be blinded by the false societal conditioning that is keeping everyone locked in this slave wage society.

I havent been "bloody arguing", I have been debating. I have an open mind, and am totally willing to change my mind if someone gives me some good input. And again... you are not better than anyone or anything. And as long as you believe this, you are in agreement and are accepting the actions of those you judge. And here is why...

As long as you judge those who you are "better than" as guilty... you perpetuate that thought. As long as you perpetuate that thought, you are in agreement with it. As long as you are in agreement with the thought that they are guilty, then you bring back their actions upon yourself, aswell as perpetuate the cycle. This is the law of attraction... you know it well.

And as long as you continue this choice.... you affect the whole of humanity with it.

George Bush, Dick Cheney, Condalise Rice, Hitler, Stalin ; All of these people are/were working from lower levels of conciousness. They are locked in the Reptilian survival portion of their brains. They seem to lack any pure spirit. Until we start empowering ourselves by saying we are better then these tyrants! we will never be free.

I agree that they were working from the lower levels of consciousness... but that doesnt mean their spirit isnt pure. All things come from spirit... and these leaders only grew from the dirt they were planted. If the whole of human consciousness said they did not want war, or anything degenerative they would never have risen to power. Humanity as a whole chose these leaders. And yes... when we empower ourselves, and choose to live generatively as a whole... leaders like the ones you mentioned will not come to power any longer. But choices have nothing to do with being an indigo... choices are simply the nature of our being.


You cannot say they are your equal. They would kill you before admit their equality to you. Have some common sense and break free of that silly societal conditioning.

We are all brothers and sisters on this planet... and just because some would kill me in a snap doesnt make it any less. Love is blind. As for common sense... maybe you should say these things to Jesus, Mother Teresa, Buddha, Krishna, or Ghandi. Because this is what they believed... however it would appear from your statements that you know better.

This isnt about elitism, Its not very smart to refer to such specific generalisations when the whole concept is a topic worthy of a conversation in itself.

I am not generalizing indigos... If you read my post carefully you will see I am referring only to your post....


Conclusion.... I now see indigo as a possiblity. Just like starchildren... However I dont think its wise categorize ones self as an indigo, because this could limit a person from evolving and achieving new heights. Rather a person should accept what they are, and strive to meet their spiritual needs without rules or limitations. Extending love into everything, while following their inspiriation...

[hobbit]

Some of those posting upon this thread, clearly show the problem we are up against.
There are possibly also disinformation experts , who's role is to disrupt and ridicule.
I will not apologise to anyone for realising the difference/s I KNOW are evident in many, and the numbers are increasing, I am almost drawn to those that are uplifting their field diameters, and them to Me.
I suspect the vast majority are been withheld from achieving this upgrade by those that know how to.
This will be chemically and electronically achieved.
Flouride in the water and toothpaste been used to coat the pineal gland to disrupt connection between both brains.
I have listened to both my brains communicating, and now realise why I never spoke until I was five years old, I had a built in friend, and both my brains get on fine, the one rarely heard KNOWS universe, it KNOWS the harmonics and where they origonate from, it has a different voice to the normal voice I can hear commonly.

Electronically , both the alteration from just intonation to real intonation has been utilisesed and now digital square section 288 times a second waves are been utilised, with messages implanted between the square waves.

The tetra towers are been employed , and specific areas have been used to test out their suicide mission, bridgend in Wales was the first fully Wi,FI area, and look what has occured there ( 22 youths have hanged themselves)
The younger the person, the more susceptible to these frequencies they are, google mosquito deterant, to find out about their tests on youngsters, our youth, yours and mine.
and they awarded mosquito business of the year awards.
they are evil, whoever THEY are.
I view them as the DRAGON that will kill all to own all the gold, and That is why I take the name HOBBIT, we are all hobbits, and must bring down the dragon, basically it's us or it.
hobbit

[Phtha]

I think this thread proves the falsity of trying to label people.
The fact is indigo is a man made term. It's a label we created.
It divides. As seen by the heat in this thread.
If you consider yourself indigo then, according to what it stands for,
you of all people should realize this and know the danger of it.
Reading through what the requirements are to label yourself indigo, I'm positive most people here at Avalon, and millions more throughout the globe could use the term for themselves.
And according to what indigo is, anyone can become one as it is simply put,
a higher state of consciousness.
No matter what level your current consciousness is at, we all have the ability to transcend,
obtaining higher states comes first with will and desire and second with knowledge and practice.


The whole indigo label thing doesn't sit right with me. We are all,
beings.

[2infinityandbeyond]

This I agree and disagree on. Indigo is just a label... its a set of rules that a person uses to define themselves. This definition limits a persons potential, and there by limits their power.



Again, by using this name tag we are refering to a specific group of people who naturally share a number of distinguishing characteristics. This isnt some dreamed up 'who are you' test, its very basis concludes a long line of research and intesive analysis. So in scientific terms we could say this is proven. And you cant expect me to provide all of that research right here in this post, its out there if your willing to look.

So ok then, lets try your approach. Lets not look at the facts and continue medicating all these so called autistic children. Lets be witness to the levels of autism setting new records every year.
Lets choose to ignore the fact that many parents report having no problem communicating with their children, they do it mind to mind.

These kids psychic abilities are much more advanced then ours, and they must be viewed for what they are.. not told, "go back to school, be normal, be like everyone else" only to eventually loose their talents and become soulless machines like the rest of society.



A person can realize they are their own leader without labeling themselves, and looking within. And by categorizing ourselves, we are seperating ourselves from each other... by labeling yourself as an indigo, you have now created a duality. Indigos... and those who are not indigos... and you categorize them into a box you call negative, and judge them by it. Infact you even feel you are better than them... and have said it many times.


If you paid more attention to the current posts in this thread you would have noticed that i specifically outlined why i was using this label.
Yes, do go back and read it all. I just know you were just dying to jump in with your two cents before reading the rest of the posts.




Please show the evidence... if you know this is a fact. Because as it stands I do not see any difference between any human.


I find it humerous that you have such a strong opinion on something you openly know nothing about.
If you knew even a small bit about this subject or done the slightest bit of research you would not be asking this question.


I understand very well consciousness is unified. And I agree that when people polarize their thinking to well-being, it has a chain effect on the planet. This is not something anyone will argue. Questions now remain after these statements. Is indigo a state of mind? or is it a perpetual state of being that cannot be changed?


"Is in Indigo a state of mind" ..?.. You really havent read through this thread have you. Ive already stated clearly here what is already stated in the english dictionary.
The term "indigo" is used to describe certain people who naturally exhibit specific charachteristics. Dont be getting lonely and cranky now if that doesnt apply to you.


Now, just to put this into retrospect for you if someone came up to you and said "I dont like you calling that thing a spoon, where'd the name spoon come out of anyway.. i think the whole idea sucks!" wouldnt you just sit back and think, what a fcuking moron. It doesnt matter what i call it, its what it does thats important. And how i can pick up soup with it when if just falls through a fork. And how when combined with a knife it makes for cleaner fingers after dinner.


So now according to you there are three groups. There are indigos, highly positive souls, and those who are degenerates to the world. And if it were not for the highly positive oriented souls and indigos everyone would be lost to the dark forces. By implication you saying that indigos are the saviours of humanity because just by being here they are waking everyone up.


Yes. Of course, any why not?.. its entirely plausible. From the age of 6 i was asking my parents and my religion teacher questions they could not answer. And not only that but i was questioning their integrity for believing something that a child of my age completely rejected. I know many people like this, all who have come into this world at different times over the past 25 years.

And i didnt officialy claim that there was just "Three groups" you obviously dont have much ability to read between the lines do you. Your just off-topic nit picking now.



But so far from many of the self proclaimed indigos here I have seen some pretty degenerative stuff. And when they are questioned, the ones who act degeneratively get upset. Hardly the actions of a saviour...


Please, elaborate.

Actually before you do lets see some of the degenerative stuff youve posted ;

lol... there are people the world over that are dangling at the end of a rope. Does that make them indigo children too?

Now that was such a damn good call for a joke wasnt it. You need to grow up and have a bit more respect for other people and their families. Get a life.



You are not less than Jesus, Buddha, Krishna, Ghandi, Mother Teresa or anyone else


Yes I am. And so are you. You cannot pretend that everyone running around blindly living their life without any thought for others is better then those who concentrate on making this world good for all. Thats a ridiculous statement.
There are polarities. And as social creatures we will not advance until we accept that we are anything but godly or devine right now. We may have that potential but we certainly dont express it. Dont be so quick too toot your own horn or any others on this planet because right now the way things are them people are better then us. We should be aknowledging this and learning from it.




I havent been "bloody arguing", I have been debating. I have an open mind, and am totally willing to change my mind if someone gives me some good input. And again... you are not better than anyone or anything. And as long as you believe this, you are in agreement and are accepting the actions of those you judge. And here is why...


Your current spectrum of information is determined by your ability to communicate. You came on here flaunting your opinion and calling me elitist on a subject that you openly accepted you havent researched very well. You are not in a position to debate.





Conclusion.... I now see indigo as a possiblity. Just like starchildren... However I dont think its wise categorize ones self as an indigo, because this could limit a person from evolving and achieving new heights. Rather a person should accept what they are, and strive to meet their spiritual needs without rules or limitations. Extending love into everything, while following their inspiriation...

Ive very clearly outlined exactly why i am using the label to categorise a specific group of people. Get with the program will ya, jeeeezus.




And for future reference before you go to all the effort of typing any more off topic stuff read the topic description first.

This thread is assigned to a specific topic. Its not to debate the existance of indigos. If you wish to make a thread for this specific reason i would be glad to drop in my own two cents.

[2infinityandbeyond]

I think this thread proves the falsity of trying to label people.
The fact is indigo is a man made term. It's a label we created.
It divides. As seen by the heat in this thread.
If you consider yourself indigo then, according to what it stands for,
you of all people should realize this and know the danger of it.
Reading through what the requirements are to label yourself indigo, I'm positive most people here at Avalon, and millions more throughout the globe could use the term for themselves.
And according to what indigo is, anyone can become one as it is simply put,
a higher state of consciousness.
No matter what level your current consciousness is at, we all have the ability to transcend,
obtaining higher states comes first with will and desire and second with knowledge and practice.


The whole indigo label thing doesn't sit right with me. We are all,
beings.


Labeling doesnt cause division, stupidity and ignorance causes division.

To asign a name to something is a way im which we can all share a common recognition of a broad subject. Theres nothing wrong with it.
If someone had cancer and you wanted to cure it you would first admit that yes they are different from healthy people, they have cancer and they need to be treated as such.

Only by labeling something can we help it. How else could we communicate this assistance?

See, if i wanted a big debate about Indigos i would have started a debate. I didnt do this because i know the drama that would ensue, although i wouldnt mind debating it i would much rather spend my time continuing with my intent to help people who feel that they somehow fit into this category.

Is there something so terribly wrong with that?

[Phtha]

Labeling doesnt cause division, stupidity and ignorance causes division.
Ignorance yes. I'd never call another person stupid as it puts out a very negative energy. And you are making yourself sound pretty elitist so to speak.


To asign a name to something is a way im which we can all share a common recognition of a broad subject. Theres nothing wrong with it.
If someone had cancer and you wanted to cure it you would first admit that yes they are different from healthy people, they have cancer and they need to be treated as such.
Only by labeling something can we help it. How else could we communicate this assistance?

I don't quite see the connection betwixt cancer and indigo sorry.
If you allow yourself to be sensitive enough it is easy to recognize a kindred spirit, or someone who you relate to. Without the need to label and divide.


See, if i wanted a big debate about Indigos i would have started a debate. I didnt do this because i know the drama that would ensue, although i wouldnt mind debating it i would much rather spend my time continuing with my intent to help people who feel that they somehow fit into this category.

Is there something so terribly wrong with that?

I think the dissonance in this thread answers that question.
Fortunately the cause of debates is not your choice alone, we all have equal say, or do you believe that so called indigos should be above and beyond the
realm of questioning?

The fact is everything you desire can be done without the need to label, due
to the fact that feelings and thoughts often transcend human languages.
Thus the need to label and divide is not needed.

[M&M]

So many people here are so misinformed. Fine, it's normal to start questioning a new piece of information such as the indigo subject if you have no experience with it. What isn't exactly smart is to automatically brush it off because you see it as non-factual since it wasn't broadcasted on the news or accepted by authoritarian figures.

I see it more as a jigsaw puzzle. And labeling is everywhere done by anyone so rejecting it is going against...life. From the day you are born you are labeled with something as simple as a name, what family you're from or even nationality.
Being indigo isn't something to be used as an excuse. You just are. Which can be applied to again, to everything.

It isn't a passing stage, like being abused as a child. You cannot say 'ok, that's it. i can't take this anymore so i'm going to do something about it. from today, i'm not going to be indigo anymore'. The reason why some people are misled into thinking that those indigos want to be seen as 'special' and reject the idea of their existence or shouldn't be given more attention, that they should deal with life like everyone else has to is because those in authority see them as a threat. People who come along and start questioning a completely corrupt system. We need answers, so what better solution than to suppress those asking them? Like it or not, you're stepping into the new world.

All you Indigos out there, you are part of the future. One that is nothing like the one today. So don't worry, these type of people won't be trying to tell you who you are or how you should be. They've done such a good job of 'knowing' that..well...look at the world today ;)

[Swanny]

A self inflated ego is a terrible thing, probably safe to assume that many if not all the dictators throughout history had one.
Very sad to see people trying to prove that they are superior to others by claiming to be a higher value spirit.
I'm my eyes we are all equal.
And if some of you here are an advert for being a indigo then I hope I'm not one :bleh:

[hobbit]

Swanny,
Nobody is superior, just increased field.
All of your memories and memory storage is within that field, not in your head.
The increased field diameter allows for more information storage and contact.
The sun has a huge field, the moon has a much smaller field.
the sun is very bright, the moon is much dimmer.
When the field diminishs below a certain level, I consider it vacates the body, or death.
The ideal senario is to uplift this field as far as possible, all can do this, if they so desire.
Most people have no comprehension of this fields existance, and therefore remain held down at a certain level.
This thread is simply about those that naturally or otherwise have attained a field enlargement, it is basically an electrical field, and thus alters in colour , similer to a rainbow.
The present largest fields I detect are INDIGO in colour.

If YOU are ignorant of this feature, HOW can YOU comment, except from an ignorant point of view?

One of the features of INDIGO people is an annoyance of those who cannot strive to increase their own potential, it is difficult not to tell them to sod off.
I am constantly striving to overcome this tendancy.
Hobbit

[Swanny]

One of the features of INDIGO people is an annoyance of those who cannot strive to increase their own potential, it is difficult not to tell them to sod off.
I am constantly striving to overcome this tendancy.
Hobbit

I rest my case

[ucan]

2infinityandbeyond I admire your courage and integrity - personally I'm a violet with a golden crown and green cloak child - but I won't get into the specifics of how I know that. :original:

What a difficult thread to read - I hope everyone has learnt something useful - It's not always productive to post every idea that comes into your head - not all thinking is done by the head and sometimes it's wise to step back.

I read the Indigo child definition a number of years ago and it instantly resonated with me. As I continue my own journey I find these descriptive analogies very useful in understanding this wonderful realm we inhabit.

[ForsakenFalcon]

om my F**king Goddess Lenneth.....

2infinityandbeyond was only trying to set up a good thing hear and here we have the 3 main ppl as from the old indigo forum marching in with a 10 foot stick up there A** trying to bring down the possitive actions 2infinityandbeyond has tryed to throw in place.

2infinityandbeyond man I salute You trying I realy do it's ppl like them that make our job a HELL of alot harder so I personaliy shall dissmiss them and go help those whom want and need it, 2infinityandbeyond if You can handle these guy's there all You'r bro and all the best ;)

[2infinityandbeyond]

I think the dissonance in this thread answers that question.
Fortunately the cause of debates is not your choice alone, we all have equal say, or do you believe that so called indigos should be above and beyond the
realm of questioning?


No i believe that adults should be able to come onto this forum and continue through their thread with their initial intent.

If you read through my post you will find nothing of the sort indicating this was a debate about indigos, with your researcher status i thought you would have enough courtesy to respect peoples wishes when they post a thread.

And im not sounding elitist, im simply stating a few facts. If some people cant handle that then thats down to their own insecurities, not my problem.

[ForsakenFalcon]

One thing alot of People need to relise or remember is while "Indigo's" rever's to the aura of the soul/person just like any othere spiritual beeing.

"AURA'S CAN & WILL CHANGE COLOUR DETERMIN CERTIAN CERCUMSTANCES"!

now let's look at it from the 95% of ppl from the early 80s were born "Indigo" that does NOT mean they will forever be so and I belive You will find those of use "Selfproclamer's" can safely say We didn't allway's think or feel this way about majority of every aspect of life and liveing it was only once We regained the frequence to become our true colour again do We get the feeling or start to think along the line's We do now.

as for the 5% not born indigo I belive these ppl are well... You know those ppl You meet rarely (hopefully) that just seem to have no reguard for anything or anyone and no awareness of consiquences and inturn basicly just apear souless? I think that's thos 5%.

[OceanWinds]

Again, by using this name tag we are refering to a specific group of people who naturally share a number of distinguishing characteristics. This isnt some dreamed up 'who are you' test, its very basis concludes a long line of research and intesive analysis. So in scientific terms we could say this is proven. And you cant expect me to provide all of that research right here in this post, its out there if your willing to look.

Indigo is a label, it labels certain set of defined characteristics. According to those specific characteristics... 99.9% of humanity falls under them, the other 0.1% that dont probably being in a coma.

And again I have yet to see any extensive research for indigos. I have read of instances where people are found having extra activated DNA... and so forth. But this does not necessarily make them indigo. Could you please point me in the right direction.


So ok then, lets try your approach. Lets not look at the facts and continue medicating all these so called autistic children. Lets be witness to the levels of autism setting new records every year.

Lets choose to ignore the fact that many parents report having no problem communicating with their children, they do it mind to mind.

These kids psychic abilities are much more advanced then ours, and they must be viewed for what they are.. not told, "go back to school, be normal, be like everyone else" only to eventually loose their talents and become soulless machines like the rest of society.

I dont know why you posted this... I never suggested at any time that harmful medicating, mercury amalgam fillings, and what is ok by any means. I also never suggested that parents cannot communicate with their children mind to mind... but this is hardly specific to indigo.

I agree that being forced to conform is not acceptable, and that we need to follow our inspiration. But this has nothing specific to do with being indigo, because this is a trait that is shared by all of humanity.

If you paid more attention to the current posts in this thread you would have noticed that i specifically outlined why i was using this label.
Yes, do go back and read it all. I just know you were just dying to jump in with your two cents before reading the rest of the posts.

As for jumping in with my two cents.. I have read your posts.... twice now. The first time I glanced over it because it looks like a symptom sheet for prescribing medication. Reading it carefully the second time, not much has changed. As well it covers so much area... that I am 99.9% of humanity falls under these categories... the other 0.01% being in a coma.

As well your ignoring the original content that I posted in regards the categories you have created through labeling.

And after reading it closely again I have seen something which is potentially disturbing. "Indigo children are children who are believed to represent a higher state of human evolution." I have seen where talk like this in the past has led. (SS)

I find it humerous that you have such a strong opinion on something you openly know nothing about. If you knew even a small bit about this subject or done the slightest bit of research you would not be asking this question.

Its not an opinion. Its me pointing things out flaws your posts. And you make assumptions that I have done no research. I have done research... and the funny thing is that all I can find is inconclusive and full of speculation. If you can point me in the right direction I would appreciate it.

The reason I have a hard time with the indigo is because all the great spiritual works, and all the great spiritual teachers explain that this is nothing more than a person labeling themselves. And I would be more than happy to show you.

"Is in Indigo a state of mind" ..?.. You really havent read through this thread have you. Ive already stated clearly here what is already stated in the english dictionary.
The term "indigo" is used to describe certain people who naturally exhibit specific charachteristics. Dont be getting lonely and cranky now if that doesnt apply to you.

I am sorry I did not memorize the characteristics. But thank you for being so tolerant, open minded, and tactful, and for pointing me to the right information. But these characteristics you mention, as I have read them twice now... cover 99.9% of humanity. And dont worry... I dont define myself as anything, so I am not upset.... thanks for caring though.

Now, just to put this into retrospect for you if someone came up to you and said "I dont like you calling that thing a spoon, where'd the name spoon come out of anyway.. i think the whole idea sucks!" wouldnt you just sit back and think, what a fcuking moron. It doesnt matter what i call it, its what it does thats important. And how i can pick up soup with it when if just falls through a fork. And how when combined with a knife it makes for cleaner fingers after dinner.

So now you are saying that the term indigo is not important, but rather what they do is. Thank you for seeing my point. Because its not important what a person labels themselves as... as much as how they act.

Yes. Of course, any why not?.. its entirely plausible. From the age of 6 i was asking my parents and my religion teacher questions they could not answer. And not only that but i was questioning their integrity for believing something that a child of my age completely rejected. I know many people like this, all who have come into this world at different times over the past 25 years.

And i didnt officialy claim that there was just "Three groups" you obviously dont have much ability to read between the lines do you. Your just off-topic nit picking now.

I was trying to show you how labels separate society, rather than encompass it.

Please, elaborate.

I need only look through this entire thread. I see self proclaimed indigos insulting others, provoking others, acting in a condescending manner, and acting irrationally, and in an elitist fashion... in fact I see it in your last post to me. If you cant see it for yourself, then you must be blind. And this is not an insult, this is a mild observation.

Actually before you do lets see some of the degenerative stuff youve posted

Now that was such a damn good call for a joke wasnt it. You need to grow up and have a bit more respect for other people and their families. Get a life.

This wasnt degenerative at all... what I did was find a hole in your arguement, then laughed at it. I wasnt laughing at peoples problems... when reading my post you should be able see this, because it is very obvious. Think about it... how does being an indigo have to do with being at the end of a rope. It doesnt... being frustrated and "at the end of ones rope" is something that spans the entire of humanity. I am sorry you saw my post this way.

As for getting a life, and having respect for peoples families. You dont know me, you dont know anything about me. You dont know who my friends or family is. So keep it to the topic. I volunteer at least 10 hours a week with the homeless, thanks for making assumptions. And the next time I need your advice I will ask for it. And just to point this out... that comment was degenerative.

Yes I am. And so are you. You cannot pretend that everyone running around blindly living their life without any thought for others is better then those who concentrate on making this world good for all. Thats a ridiculous statement.

Again you are making assumptions. You have lost your ability to argue and have stepped to the level of throwing insults. You have not made the world better with these posts...

And again you choose to ignore my statement that All the great spiritual teachers taught us that we are all equal. Your opinion of this doesnt change a thing about their beliefs, actions, and teachings. I am sorry you fail to see the obvious, or that you choose to ignore it.

And I never said living life blindly was productive... you are putting words in my mouth, or are making more assumptions. A person can extend love into everything they do. Now that doesnt mean a person should be ignorant. I can extend love to the greatest most vile and dangerous serial killer... but that doesnt mean I wont be careful when I am near him. Please dont confuse love with naivity.

There are polarities. And as social creatures we will not advance until we accept that we are anything but godly or devine right now. We may have that potential but we certainly dont express it. Dont be so quick too toot your own horn or any others on this planet because right now the way things are them people are better then us. We should be aknowledging this and learning from it.

And there are no polarities... there is only love, or the absence of it. There is no such thing as a dark switch... there is a light switch. There is light... or the absence of it. This is also obvious.

Your current spectrum of information is determined by your ability to communicate. You came on here flaunting your opinion and calling me elitist on a subject that you openly accepted you havent researched very well. You are not in a position to debate.

Again you are forming opinions... my ability to communicate is fine. And I may be extending some opinions, however I am mostly just pointing out the obvious. Something that many here have been trying to show you to no avail. As for calling you an elitist... I never did, you did it to yourself by your own words. And as for your opinion on my ability to debate... I am not the one who had to stoop to name calling.

But its obvious that you do not want a generative discussion regarding indigo... you choose to see everyone attacking you, and your faith. And I will continue to post in here as long as you choose to retort.

[Phtha]

And im not sounding elitist, im simply stating a few facts. If some people cant handle that then thats down to their own insecurities, not my problem.

hmm.. according to you, people are ignorant, stupid, and insecure who have a different view then yourself. And you say your not acting elitist?

I understand where you are coming from about your thread, but as you can well see a public forum is the wrong place for that. Your goal is an impossibility.
People such as myself find the label dangerous
and feel the need to express our concern.
Mods would have a hard time enforcing your wish and would upset more people then not if they tried to help.
I really do suggest a blog where you can control the replies. Link it here if you want.

[M&M]

People, please. If this thread was one discussing the existence of indigos you would have all done a great job. But it's more than sharing viewpoints.
Whatever you choose to call them, there is a group of people that are born to be more spiritually enlightened than the average person. Their numbers are drastically increasing. This phenomenon is thought to later reach a higher level of love and understanding through the invisible world.

It is very difficult to explain this process to such an extensive audience as I hardly have any idea of what 'information' (true or not) you have been subject to.

Even more so, a society that sees this group of people as ones who consider themselves to be special because everyone is equal. However, would treat them as everyday outcasts.

All this talk on insulting, going into meaningless details and one on one arguing is not solving anything. To say that it hasn't done the world any good by creating this thread is quite an assumption to make. I bet it's made a difference in someone's life already. Not all solutions would go 'BOOM' in your face.

Give it a chance, put our differences aside and rather watch this thread evolve as people who it was intended for start posting their realities. Be patient, read what they have to say. Maybe then you might see the topic in a whole different light. :thumb_yello:

[bakseat]

hey...u couldent have discribed me more clearly
i am an indigo child....
thank u 4 those words of wisdem:]:trumpet:

[OceanWinds]

I am more than open to the possibility of indigo, if someone could enlighten me. So please do not take my posts as an attack on indigos, because that is not what they are right now.

My posts are just exposing the holes in 2Infinitys posts, and I highly doubt he speaks for all the people who call themselves indigos.

[2infinityandbeyond]

What i have witnessed here since the creation of this thread is an overwhelming either conscious or unconscious attempt by a few to not only supress but to anihialate the knowledge of the existance of "Indigo" children. Wheter one choses to accept their existance or not is irrelivent, the fact remains that over the past 100 years there has been a massive influx of spiritually aware, and intelectually openminded beings incarnating on planet earth. To a point of where from 1960 - 1987 65% of the population were categorised as sharing a high number of Indigo characteristics.

Which means that if you are reading this you are more then likely an Indigo. Now, the aim of this thread is specifically for the purpose of helping people who fall under this category who find themselves having a very difficult experience here on planet earth. This can range from psychological and emotional problems to suicidal tendencies.

If you are the kind of person who wishes to persue in your agenda to debate indigos on this specific thread and therefore along the way completely destroy the good work that its potential allows then you are doing so for all of the public to see.


This is the last time im writing this warning, continuing to post irrelivent off topic material here will be seen as an act of true evil and begrudgery. For this is not the place for you to debate, it is a place with the potential to help many. And you are truly a tyrant if you try to perverse this course of action any longer.

I hope i make myself clear here. If anyone is in any doubts as to the purpose of this thread please refer back to the first post where it is made crystal clear.

[2infinityandbeyond]

I am more than open to the possibility of indigo, if someone could enlighten me. So please do not take my posts as an attack on indigos, because that is not what they are right now.

My posts are just exposing the holes in 2Infinitys posts, and I highly doubt he speaks for all the people who call themselves indigos.

Please allow this thread to continue along its initial destination.

Your looking for holes in my posts yet fail to recognise the reason that i created this thread in the first place. I came here to help and connect with people who find themselves having extreme difficulty in their lives right now.

Your standing in the way of this right now. And your robbing someone somewhere of the opportunity to avail of this post in a constructive manner.
For all you know your actions could be the cause of someone going through with their long threatened departure from this world because there was no one out there to listen to them.

If you continue to post like you are, just know your on a public stage here. Everyone will watch you continue your little endeavour which is just stealing time from a good cause.

I know your not the kind of person who would do this intentionally. So now that you know please do show some consideration, and either add to this post constructivly following its initial intent or dont interact with it at all.

Its your call.

[being]

http://www.gnosticteachings.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=5205&hl=

Here is a good discusion on this topic from another source.

[2infinityandbeyond]

...This instrument, being in her sixties, is one of the early type of wanderers that no longer are coming among you. This instrument and many, indeed, millions of those who were called to the travail of your planet, came among you as pioneers of a kind. They choose to incarnate in third-density bodies, but they also chose to come into third density with a certain degree of awareness of their home densities, which were mostly of those of fifth-density and sixth-density social memory complexes.

There are a few fourth-density positively-oriented wanderers among you at this time, but, for the most part, if you are a wanderer you are probably from the density of wisdom or from the density of unity, that density in which wisdom and love are balanced.

Indeed, the majority of those who are among you at this time as positively-oriented wanderers are those from the sixth density. And your interest in coming to the Earth at this time was to improve the balance of love and wisdom in your active, conscious personality.

The reason this was so attractive to you is that within the boot camp atmosphere of third density you can get a lot done in a short time if you have the dedication of your will to a chosen and carefully manicured or articulated goal. The key is continually to review your goal and dedication so that you maintain a focus over time.

The great difficulty with wanderers of this type is that they may fail to wake up to who they are. Many of those among your wanderer population on this planet have indeed not awakened. However, under the pressure of the increasing dynamic between the new fourth-density energy and the old third-density energy, the polarity that is native to each of your systems is being tweaked and prodded by the dynamic energies so that it becomes more and more obvious to entities that there is something going on to which they need to wake up. That is one large generation of those to whom this information is especially important and attractive.

The next wave of entities which came upon your planet is of those which arrived in births during the 60s and 70s. These were an intermediate type of wanderer whose goals were not so much oriented to work in consciousness within their own personalities. These were personalities who were still hearing the travail of planet Earth as the planet itself became more and more reactive to the energies of hostility and aggression that have been increasing among your global population in response to the increasing dynamic betwixt the light and the dark, that is which is to come and that which is ending.

These entities were less concerned with their own studies in learning and more concerned, in a more urgent fashion or more of a feeling of urgency to wake up and create a shift in consciousness among the tribes of Earth. Among these wanderers, there is a tendency to be overly concerned with the urgency of the situation. In so many cases the problem is not waking them up but rather moving them to a more balanced and calm point of view where their very real skills can be used more fully. And so, to this very large bunch of wanderers, we find the challenges of awakening being very slight but the challenges of spiritual maturity to be much larger.

The third generation of those who have moved into the energies of planet Earth at this time from other places in space and time are those pioneers of fourth density who have wandered here with the firm intention of helping not only the planet’s people, but the planet itself. These entities are equipped with the ability to withstand a tremendous amount of disharmony and chaos. They do not do this with a great deal of native joy, but their makeup is such that they are capable of independent action and have little use for the traditional kind of authority which expresses itself in your established religions and those cultural icons such as the classical philosophies and so forth. To these entities, the Earth itself is speaking.

These entities are often called the Indigo Children or the Crystal Children. There are many words that try to describe the difference betwixt this generation of wanderers and previous ones. The hallmark of this breed is an insensitivity to traditional modes of expressing religious dedication while maintaining a great sensitivity and an authentic feeling for the most intensive kind of work in consciousness that is chosen by the self for the self and created as an individual expression rather than there being a great desire to become a part of an already established religion.

Nevertheless, in this last generation of wanderers there remains a feeling for the group. So you will find entities in all three generations whose interest includes the desire to reconnect with their families.

This group of large groups constitutes the wanderer population of planet Earth.

We naturally encourage all wanderers to awaken and to be aware that entities that they meet may well be entities [of] their larger group, since there are millions of wanderers upon Earth. They have in common a tremendous love for the planet, for its people and for the Creator and a serene and undisturbed belief and faith, in an unconscious and carefully protected part of the personality shell, that they are in the Creator’s service and part of the godhead principle.

There is a small group of entities who are native to the planet Earth. These entities have won through, in some cases, to graduation and have indeed graduated but have decided to move back into third-density incarnation to see what they can do to bring the rest of the people of the planet along with them in embracing the light.

Then there are people who come from many different places, who have entered your planetary system as souls from other third-density planets that have failed to complete their third density. These include entities from the planet you know as Mars, where they were unable to finish out third density because of creating conditions that made their third-density planet uninhabitable. These entities have in common with the Indigo wanderers a great desire to be stewards of planet Earth, to stop the destruction of the planet that your people have thoughtlessly promulgated over the last 200 or so of your years and to restore and constitute a healthy third density to leave behind as third-density [as] planet Earth closes itself out.

This will not occur suddenly in terms of there being a necessity for a sudden change of third to fourth density. Rather, there will be a time of between one and three hundred of your years, from the probability/possibility vortices at which we now look, where your peoples will be able to continue to incarnate in third density to continue to heal the planet and to harvest those entities who are ready now to choose light over darkness, love over fear, and the lessons of the compassionate heart over the lessons of self interest. These are the cycles that we see at this time.





Please check as many as apply.

1. Does your child expect to be treated as an equal instead of a child?

2. Is your child easily, emotionally triggered?

3. Does your child have difficulty with discipline and authority?

4. Is your child frustrated with ritual-oriented systems that require little creativity?

5. Does your child have a gentle, sensitive, spirit and caring heart?

6. Does your child have food or environmental sensitivities?

7. Does your child dislike being rushed or not seem to have a sense of time in a traditional way?

8. Does your child have an interest in spiritual things?

9. Does your child appear to be an old soul or wise beyond their years?

10. Does your child seem to have a very creative imagination or to be a daydreamer?

11. Did your child come into the world with an attitude?

12. Does your child refuse to do certain things they are told to do?

13. Is your child a non-conformist?

14. Does your child see better ways of doing things at home and at school?

15. Is homework a source of conflict in your home?

16. Does your child appear to have a short attention span and at other times incredible focus?

17. Is your child particularly creative in areas of art, music, science and/or technology?

18. Does your child display intuition or knowledge of things that are unexplainable?

19. Did your child display an early ability and desire to learn and appear to be very intelligent in some areas?

20. Does your child talk to or about “imaginary” friends or see things that you cannot?

21. Does your child refuse to respond to parenting techniques that were used on you as a child?

22. Does your child have a strong interest in the environment and other living creatures?

23. Does your child have trouble getting to sleep or have night terrors?

If you answered yes to more than 10 questions you are probably parenting an Indigo. If your score is above 15 you are almost definitely parenting an Indigo Child.

Quiz developed by Jan Yordy, M.Ed. MSW, Play Therapist & Vicki Lass BA, Bus.Dip., Parent Coach


Its important to note that if you do feel that either you or your child is an indigo it is your duty either as a parent or too yourself to research this topic thoroughly to gain a full understanding as to what this means.

There is much information out there just waiting to be found in google, all it takes is a simple search.

These souls came here for a reason, unfortunatly many of them will never wake up. But once one wakes up, if he can wake up two more and they in turn do the same who knows..it may not take all that long for everyone to 'get it'.

[bowspearer]

The more I see the posts of self proclaimed indigos... the more I see people who are suffering, and are looking for something to explain it.

And yet therein lies the reason why all the negative people in this thread need to give things a rest.

The fact is that if what's been said is true, Indigos are on the verge of becoming full blown superhumans (although there are signs of the start of that as we speak). Similar to the Xmen concept of mutants, Indigos are generally shunned by society for being non-conformists and "different". That difference and the pain it has caused have resulted in many of us having very real battles with depression, because of how our worthless upbringings have left us feeling.

Yet threads like this counteract that by saying that difference doesn't make people worthless, but rather, incredibly special and a source of hope for the world.

It's a place where we can talk with similar people, learn about this and feel accepted for once in our lives, and celebrated for who and what we are, rather than ostracised by it.

Maybe if the likes of Swanny actually took a step back from this to gain some perspective, rather than continuing to propagate their little pissing contest out of some brainless and self-centred form of fun, they'd come to realise that!

[OceanWinds]

Thankyou for your tactful and dignified responce... I am honored by your willingness to participate with myself in and others who want to discuss this in a way that is generative... even if all parties do not necessarily agree on every point.

However after reading the threads I have a better understanding of the term indigo... I see it is harmless in intent... and actually sheds a light on things not otherwise discussed. So in this way it is generative.

The only problem being the EGO... which can take what it wants from the definitions of indigo and use them as a means to separate humanity, and degenerate it collectively... as opposed to unifying it. This has been done countless times using religion,scripture and its dogma. And this is the point that many have been trying to express... its not that we are trying to destroy the indigo, that was never the intention.

So I feel that Indigo can be an important tool in people discovering things about themselves.. And that the recognition of these things will help them to find ways to express their spirit. As well as a means to help people to connect, and discuss these issues. But remember that this has the potential to be a knife which cuts both ways...

[Swanny]

I now understand why indigo people feel no one likes them

[TranceAm]

I now understand why indigo people feel no one likes them

Do you?


"One psychotherapist and Indigo proponent says, for these children, Ritalin will limit their amazing potential. After all, "these children are the answers to the prayers we all have for peace."
http://www.parentdish.com/2006/01/12/indigo-children-in-the-new-york-times/



“Ritalin is the most often prescribed medication for ADHD. It is a stimulant that is closely related to amphetamine. Over 70 percent of all children diagnosed with ADHD are prescribed Ritalin. Another 20 percent are prescribed its generic equivalent, Methylphenidate (MPH), and another stimulant similar to Ritalin, Dexedrine."

"There are no firm figures on how many children are taking the drug. In the 1980s it was estimated that between 200,000 and 500,000 children were receiving stimulants. In 1987 750,000 children were believed to be on the medication. Both of these figures were the result of extrapolation from regional studies. A study done by the University of California, Irvine, Child Development Center estimated that in 1993 3 million children were diagnosed with ADHD. Ninety percent of these children were on medication; 1.3 million receiving Ritalin. Researchers believe that the number of children on Ritalin has grown to 3.5 million with another 1.4 million taking other medications, most likely Dexedrine."


"Production and use of Ritalin is expected to double by the year 2000, which would bring the number of children taking the medication to 7 million. Some estimate that ADHD affects 10 percent of all children. If this is so, it would mean that within a few years fully 10 million children could be on the drug."

"No other nation comes close to the US in the production and use of Ritalin. Ninety percent of all Ritalin is produced and used in the United States. Only Australia is close to the US in per capita use. Canada has seen a comparable rise, although it is still at about one-fourth of per capita use as compared to the United States. Britain has had a policy of intervening with social support for children with ADHD and using Ritalin only as a last resort, although these measures are being attacked because of budget cuts. Sweden prohibits use of the drug."
http://www.crystalchild.net/CrystalChildWebSite/Gray_Rising_Ritalin_Use.html


I guess that is what political dissedents felt in the former USSR,
Declared "in need for treatment" and put on medication. How many generations now are liked for who and what they are, instead of what society (people in power) drug them to be?

And finally:

All branches of the armed forces reject potential enlistees who use Ritalin or similar behavior-modifying medications.

A long-standing Department of Defense directive also instructs the military to reject those with a "chronic history" of an academic skills defect -- including ADD -- after age 12. And people who took Ritalin as teenagers to treat ADD, an inhibitor of academic skills, are rejected from military service, even if they no longer take the medication.

(I Consider that a "pro" ;-) ) http://www.nfgcc.org/64.htm

[Circlewerk]

Thankyou for your tactful and dignified responce... I am honored by your willingness to participate with myself in and others who want to discuss this in a way that is generative... even if all parties do not necessarily agree on every point.

However after reading the threads I have a better understanding of the term indigo... I see it is harmless in intent... and actually sheds a light on things not otherwise discussed. So in this way it is generative.

The only problem being the EGO... which can take what it wants from the definitions of indigo and use them as a means to separate humanity, and degenerate it collectively... as opposed to unifying it. This has been done countless times using religion,scripture and its dogma. And this is the point that many have been trying to express... its not that we are trying to destroy the indigo, that was never the intention.

So I feel that Indigo can be an important tool in people discovering things about themselves.. And that the recognition of these things will help them to find ways to express their spirit. As well as a means to help people to connect, and discuss these issues. But remember that this has the potential to be a knife which cuts both ways...

Indeed it is the ego that has a need to label and the ego, is an addict.
Broken down to pure vibration, we are all twins and labels do not exist.
Minding what is said, defending labels, is the ego's way of exercising itself.
Detaching emotionally from all of this, and instead, being this uniting & peaceful vibration, will liberate.
And we are all capable of this.
Because we are all kin in energy.
Our ego's are our lower vibrational thought patterns, that allow us to think labels are necessary & productive, or anything other than part of the illusion.
Once something is thought to be known, it thwarts it's own memory of, and very alive connection to, oneness.
And the ego is happy for having gotten it's fix.


One Profound, United Love~
CW

[Carol]

ADD is a medical condition where the normal blood flow to the frontal lobe is resticted. Subsequently these children engage in behaviors which are disruptive in an unconscious attempt to increase blood flow to the prefrontal cortex.

There is no blame or judgment here.. just the facts. Adults who have ADD tend to have children who have ADD. However, adults who use drugs and get pregnant.. continue to use drugs during the pregnancy, will often have babies who have neurological brian damage as a result and also be labled ADHD.

The different medications available attempt to enable the child to concentrate and stay focused. However, there is another way to treat these various brain disorders and that is through neurobiofeedback which stimulates various areas of the brain and subsequently increase the blood flow to the prefrontal cortex.

In recent research it was also shown that ADHD children's brains tended to develop differently and that some areas of the brain matured several years later as compared to normal children. This means that some of these children will outgrow their condition in their later teens.

As we have an adopted daughter whose birth mom did drugs I know about this subject backwards and forwards. We used neurobiofeedback with her beginning at age two. She had severe temper tantrums and was very destructive. We would have to wrap her in a sheet so that she wouldn't hurt herself or others until her fit was over. Later in school when she was 10 was the first time we decided to use medication to help her control her temper in school. We have found that massive doses of royal jelly and vitamin B complex works really well for her. Due to the side effects of the medication we stopped using them and now just use wholistic treatment.

There is a medical reason parents resort to medication and that should never be discounted. Each situation must be exmined from an individual perspective case-by-case. To make a general discounting statement about medication just demonstrates the lack of information that one really needs to be aware of when making a judgment regarding medicating kids.

I would recommend for everyone one Dr. Danial Amen's book. "Chang Your Brain, Chain Your Life" if you are truly interested in understanding how a deysfunctional brain really affects behavior.

[Swanny]

Do you?

Well if 2infinityandbeyond attitude is anything to go by then it's hardly surprising.
Calling people evil and warning them off from posting in a debate is not the best way to make friends.

Looking at the 23 points to a indigo then I am one but my aura is bright yellow so maybe I am a golden child, what ever I am or aren't one thing is for sure I do not consider myself to be superior to others.

I was a hyperactive child but in those days parents didnt give their children Ritalin lucky for me

[Phtha]

What i have witnessed here since the creation of this thread is an overwhelming either conscious or unconscious attempt by a few to not only supress but to anihialate the knowledge of the existance of "Indigo" children.

I think you are miss understanding the intent of the "naysayers".
I'm reading the thread a lot differently then you are I guess.
I for 1 don't doubt the existence of indigo whatsoever, and nor have I seen
anyone else who has.
I'm glad people brought up the ego part of it because that is exactly the problem
I see with putting people into a group and saying they are special.
Its ego food.
I could quote many replies from the defenders in this thread alone and prove beyond a doubt
that the ego is getting in the way of their beliefs.

Whether you want to admit it or not, all that is written about indigo is nothing other
then higher states of consciousness.
For the record I first started reading about it years ago.
And as i mentioned before anyone can be "indigo", all that is required is the will to learn and progress.
Of course many do not and will not have that will.
But they are still equals and just as important as any other life that is.

I'll leave you to your thread now but I truly do hope you think deeply about
what danger arises from naming and thus creating division. Yes it may help certain people, but what about the others?
I'm positive we can all help each other without the need for classing and inflating egos on one side of the spectrum and ostrisizing people on the other (It's happening even though I know
it's not your intent).

[OceanWinds]

I think you are miss understanding the intent of the "naysayers".
I'm reading the thread a lot differently then you are I guess.
I for 1 don't doubt the existence of indigo whatsoever, and nor have I seen
anyone else who has.
I'm glad people brought up the ego part of it because that is exactly the problem
I see with putting people into a group and saying they are special.
Its ego food.
I could quote many replies from the defenders in this thread alone and prove beyond a doubt
that the ego is getting in the way of their beliefs.

Whether you want to admit it or not, all that is written about indigo is nothing other
then higher states of consciousness.
For the record I first started reading about it years ago.
And as i mentioned before anyone can be "indigo", all that is required is the will to learn and progress.
Of course many do not and will not have that will.
But they are still equals and just as important as any other life that is.

I'll leave you to your thread now but I truly do hope you think deeply about
what danger arises from naming and thus creating division. Yes it may help certain people, but what about the others?
I'm positive we can all help each other without the need for classing and inflating egos on one side of the spectrum and ostrisizing people on the other (It's happening even though I know
it's not your intent).

perfectly put... thankyou

[dolphin]

from OCEAN WINDS "Indigo is a label, it labels certain set of defined characteristics. According to those specific characteristics... 99.9% of humanity falls under them, the other 0.1% that dont probably being in a coma. "

UNBELIEVABLE...you do not know what you are talking about. before you state things, you had better be informed. so ridiculous to say 99% of the population are indigo. completely false!

why do you guys post such things?...and why do you just try to debunk what is reality? do you guys have some chip on your shoulder- insecure maybe? 2infinity at the beginning of the thread said it's not up for debate, but rather to help those who ARE INDIGO.

amazing how this topic attracts all the negative posters. i wonder why?

[OceanWinds]

from OCEAN WINDS "Indigo is a label, it labels certain set of defined characteristics. According to those specific characteristics... 99.9% of humanity falls under them, the other 0.1% that dont probably being in a coma. "

UNBELIEVABLE...you do not know what you are talking about. before you state things, you had better be informed. so ridiculous to say 99% of the population are indigo. completely false!

why do you guys post such things?...and why do you just try to debunk what is reality? do you guys have some chip on your shoulder- insecure maybe? 2infinity at the beginning of the thread said it's not up for debate, but rather to help those who ARE INDIGO.

amazing how this topic attracts all the negative posters. i wonder why?

lol... exactly the stuff we are concerned about

[dolphin]

Well if 2infinityandbeyond attitude is anything to go by then it's hardly surprising.
Calling people evil and warning them off from posting in a debate is not the best way to make friends.

Looking at the 23 points to a indigo then I am one but my aura is bright yellow so maybe I am a golden child, what ever I am or aren't one thing is for sure I do not consider myself to be superior to others.

I was a hyperactive child but in those days parents didnt give their children Ritalin lucky for me

WHO CARES swanny! you have exhibited the most hateful behavior and insecurity of yourself. you should learn to love yourself, then you wouldn't exhibit such hateful behavior as you have here!
i guess you just need the attention...go and get babysat somewhere else!

[dolphin]

"One of the features of INDIGO people is an annoyance of those who cannot strive to increase their own potential, it is difficult not to tell them to sod off.
I am constantly striving to overcome this tendancy.
Hobbit"

HOBBIT... i couldn't agree w you more!! why overcome this tendancy? we speak from our gut and rarely flower our words!... i say it like it is. why do you think these ignorant guys keep reading the posts here if they disagree? isn't that ironic? instead of leaving, they keep adding their 2 cents? they must know that actually it IS a real phenomenon and it upsets them.

[Swanny]

Good luck dolphin I dont need a label but it seems you do.

[dolphin]

Yes, in the absolute sense everyone is a "soul/being" which came from Source and are on a journey back to Source. I refer often to Hawkins scale of consciousness (http://consciousnessproject.org/page.asp?PageID=14) 1-1000. I think this scale can be a bit misleading for the competative ego. It could perhaps better be expressed as a negative scale like this:

0 is the top of the scale instead of 1000 and -1000 represents the lowest point on the scale. What I mean is that the scale is always negative until the journey ends in which you reach the zero-point. The point being that everyone has embarked on a journey from 0 into "negativity/dualism" and some has choosen to go deeper into the negative scale than others. Sooner or later all will return to the zero-point with a lot of wisdom gained on the way...

However, I do think the intention of this thread is a bit more "down to earth" and not so "absolute" as this. But what the heck right:original:.

hey sanat, i read david hawkins book. a while back i was sick and went to a medical intuitive. are you familiar w muscle testing? it's based on "truth" registered by one's body through kinesiology (sp?). well i had several readings based on that scale. it's fascinating to know how you rate on the scale during difft. activities. i think this is a great way to help you to decide what your life path is. the higher the score, the more likely that it is a good way to go :original:

[TranceAm]

Well if 2infinityandbeyond attitude is anything to go by then it's hardly surprising.
Calling people evil and warning them off from posting in a debate is not the best way to make friends.



Do remember.. for a fight, you need at least 2 that want to participate..
Not taking sides here, but intent to side with both of you, when you shake virtual hands and agree to disagree...

[Swanny]

Do remember.. for a fight, you need at least 2 that want to participate..
Not taking sides here, but intent to side with both of you, when you shake virtual hands and agree to disagree...

Yea I'm happy to go along with that :cheers:

[dolphin]

2infinity or anyone...i tried to find more info on indigo at the LAW OF ONE site. (RA). i did a search w the word "indigo children", but nothing specifically came up.

does anyone have a specific page from there to post? or direct me to the right page?

thanks!

[ForsakenFalcon]

lol if My "Ego" were to be going around in real life or the net lableing Myself I wouldn't be lableing Myself an Indigo "Heretic" sound's a hell of alot cooler or lableing Myself "Hetrosexual" so the female sexy member's know I'm not gay!

Now thats Egotistic!

[beanny]

surely....its no=thing to do with division

if it was... then why would we call red red and yellow yellow
you expect ALL colours to have one name/discription?
then how could we differentiate between their different functions?

why would you use L to start to write the word 'letter'?

according to your argueing...AGAINST DIVISION...surely we would write the word letter ...LLLLLL ...and same for entire alphabet...would have yo consist of ONLY one letter L
try writting a letter with no division/differentiation LLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

i know i ,for one, wou///ld have mega trouble trying to understand your description of
'non division'
GET IT?
6 of my family were HUGELY RELEIVED to understand that it was no longer wierd not to be black nor white but indigo

its no divide, but reckognition
SO THANKYOU UNdivided one that began this thread.... and sad for you guys that TRIP OVER DIVISION

there is earth
water
sky
mountains
etc
all different aspects of the same whole
try discribing the earth/universal elements with this strange trip/ understanding of NOT DIVIDING
God managed to in His description on His UNdivided Creation
Get the point?

......YOU ARE DIFFERENT FROM ME......
.........I AM DIFFERENT FROM YOU.......
...........AND THATS WHAT MAKES US THE SAME........

[Baron Cross]

To find out if you are an indigo child, please answer the following questions honestly.

Being an indigo child can be extremely difficult. But it can be much easier with a little help from a few friends.


* Are you intelligent (though did not necessarily have top grades). YES The last time I had an IQ Test I scored 145 thats after my major head injury, I wondered how high I would have faired If I never had that major blow head injury, but IQ test is not 100 accurate keep that in mind. I probably hit my head more than 20 times, four of those hits I had to go to the emergency room to get stitches. In elementary everybody wants to be my friend during test time to give them the answers lol especially math, science, history, english, by the way english is not my first language. That all ended after my major head injury, after five days of the head injury we had a major test my mind went blank I didnt understand anything,I didnt remember anything I was dumbfounded I read over and over nothing, looking at equation nothing my supposedly friends asking for answer, I have no aswer to give panic , fear sets in, my first headache in my life sets in, failed all the test subjects, lost all my assume friends. I use to memorized long poems after reading it four to five, now even if I read it 200 times I cant memorize the first two to three lines.( sorry for a long answer on this question)

* Are you very creative and enjoy making things. When I was younger I was alot more creative, but am still kinda creative, especially if something I want to have that I think its to much to pay for it or to long to wait for it if its ordered, ill just make it If I can( example: I wanted to have a long table saw, so I can cut any 4 by 8 plywood any size I want, I made it with groves so i can use the clamp that came with saw on the extension, I glued a measuring tape,foldinng legs if I want to put it away, I never had proper training with wood working I just had the idea and made it lol)

* Do you always need to know WHY (especially why you are being asked to do something). YES

* Do you have disgust and perhaps loathing for the inanity of much of the required work in school, the repetition. YES

* Were you rebellious in school, refusing to do homework, rejecting authority of teachers OR seriously wanted to rebel, but didn't DARE, usually due to parental pressure. YES YES I never did any homework or project if I think its dumb or not interesting.

* have you experienced early existential depression and feelings of helplessness. These may have ranged from sadness to utter despair. Suicidal feelings while still in high school or younger are not uncommon in the Indigo Adult. YES the first time I thought of suicide when my first girlfriend blamed me for something I didnt do and took her friends side over my side I thought she loved me so I broke it off and didnt talk to her for a long time I had to see her again because one of my best friend is her older brother.( 4 to 5 months I didnt see my friend because I didnt want to see her) Now Im an adult I really dont care what anybody think or say about me, but It really hurts when somebody that you think that loves you call you name or go against you( especially family and your other half, your own kids I just think theyre young, they dont know that they are hurting you (40% to 70%) they have there own agenda to get what they want :mfr_lol:

* Do you have difficulty in service-oriented jobs - resistance to authority and caste system of employment. YES

* Do you prefer cooperative efforts or leadership position or solo if expertise is valued. EQUAL WORK YES I rather somebody else lead that is more qualified with selflessness quality,but I am ready to step up to the plate if nobody assumes the role( Im more of a loner, shy person)

* Have you deep empathy for others, yet an intolerance of stupidity. YES YES My wife said people think Im stupid because I care to much about people I give to homeless, I let people borrow money that I know wont be able to pay me back(friends and family) this how I see it if I have the money and they are in dire need for money( example: Hospital bill, funeral, for surgery, maybe just to get by for a week for food) and I feel that they exhausted their option then I will lend/give them money, but sometimes I dont lend/give any money If I feel they are not telling the whole truth or they just come to me because they think I am easy, and they get mad so be it. IM more tolerable now to stupidity than before my major head injury, because I didnt understand then that not all people are the same, I was always thinking whats wrong with all this people, cant they see whats going on, cant they remember anything, do they have any brains then POW it happen to me, now I understand people more( Except the opposite sex lol) when I was brought down to my knees, having the worst memory ever, it humbled me, crippled me .(sometimes I think I was Punish for thinking that way sorry)

* Are you extremely emotionally sensitive including crying at the drop of a hat (no shielding) - to no expression of emotion (full shielding). YES

* Do you have trouble with RAGE. I have alot of patience but if you keep nagging i blow up.

* Do you have trouble with most systems (either emotionally, mentally, or physically)- political, educational, medical, law. YES

* Do you feel alienated from politics - feeling your voice won't count and that the outcome really doesn't matter anyway. Not sure

* Do you feel frustration with or rejection of the traditional American dream - 9-5 career, marriage, 2.5 children, house with white picket fence, etc. YES

* Do you feel anger at rights being taken away, fear and/or fury at "Big Brother watching you." YES

* Do you feel a need like a burning desire to do something to change and improve the world. But feel stymied what to do. YES YES sometimes I think I should run for President so we can have peace and equality :mfr_lol:

* Did you have psychic or spiritual interest fairly young - in or before teen years. YES YES YES I have a story its upto you to believe it or not, I dont remember this because I was between 1 to 2 years old, I had a yaya(a person that takes care of me, like a maid) she just barely left me in the room (5 minutes) and I started crying in my crib/playpen so came back to get me but, she could not get in, the door was wide open but she cant get in something ( I think its energy or force that cant be seen, the light was on, it was night time) was holding her back and she saw two cats fighting( 1 pure white and 1 pure black cat) outside the window on top of the awning by me while I was crying, she panic and yell help my mom came upstairs and couldnt get in either, good thing my moms friend pass by to say hello that evening when all of this was happening( he said he just felt to pass by tonight, he didnt understand why he just had an urge to come, hes a Native American I dont know what tribe) so my mom called him up panicking, he tried to get in the room and then realize something is up when he coulnt get in, my mom said he started talking in his native tongue and started going inside the room slowly untill he got to me and pick me up and turn around and slowly got out of the room( everybody notice 3 person outside the room waiting for him to get me out, that hes ponytail was standing or raise up horizontally while going in and out like hes struggling with strong wind and the cats stop fighting and fled when me and him was out of the room. I know what everybody is thinking when they read this( its bull***t like i said you dont have to beleive it and I dont think Im better or special I am just like you Stained,Corrupted by Society in our own ways. I always tried to think/read what are people thinking when I was a kid, and I always feel Dejavu or been here before or sometimes I know when My cell was about to ring and know who is calling even now.

* Have you had few if any Indigo role models. MAYBE I dont know what to call them so maybe (Family Members) * Do you have strong intuition. YES

* Do you have random behavior pattern or mind style - (symptoms of Attention Deficit Disorder), may have trouble focusing on a task unless of OWN choosing, may jump around in conversations. hmm before my head accident i had the best photographic memory no problem staying focus, never wrote anything the teacher said or copied anything on the board always ace the test 97% to 100% right all the time, then teacher ask for notes or home work nothing to show lol. now i have worst memory ever :sad: i think

* Have you had psychic experiences, such as premonitions, seeing angels or ghosts, hearing voices, intuitive thoughts coming through etc YES I have seen different entities especially when I was young (5 to 17 years old) Ive always seen a ghost all thru my childhood they usually just passing by,but one time one of them actually called me by hand (index finger) and its the scariest of all ghost Ive seen my whole life. Heres another story lol It was vacation time my mom sent me,my sisters and aunt that watches us to my moms first cousins house in a different city(but they live outside the city I think because its like ranches) they have all kinds of fruit trees in the back yard mangoes, guyabano, jackfruit, starapple, limes, lemon and many more I dont know theyre name in english and they also have fish ponds and rice fields and they also buy and sell gold from the mines so they are pretty wealthy I thought when I was a kid, so they have this huge house rectangular shape, living room in the front ,then formal dining room ,two bedroom on the side in between the dining room and kitchen ,before the kitchen is one of the bathroom by the doorway/hallway which is about 10 feet wide,before the bedroom there is stairs to go up to the upstairs bedrooms (whew sorry I had to put layout plan) here we go its around 8:00 pm everybody just finish dinner and all the adults was in the living room and I was listening and fell asleep in the couch nobody woke me up and left me there I was 10 years old, so I woke up and had to use bathroom, they had dim gas light on the walls so it wasnt dark so I started walking towards the bathroom when I saw a Lady walking(floating) with a long white nightgown with long white hair in between the doorway from the dining and kitchen, I realized something is not right so I stop and rub my eyes to make sure I am not seeing things , she turn around and face me , she had a skeleton face Im pretty sure its a skeleton but her eyes were fire I cant forget those eyes and she raise her hand and called me , by now I was stunned and frozen in place cant move a muscle it felt like a minute but in reality probably 20 seconds,then suddenly I got the will to run to the stairs, its about a fifteen steps to get up it only took me three jump up and grab one of my cousins blanket waiting if it followed me and I still have the urge so I open the window p**s outside lol the dogs were barking outside and I hear chains being dragged while I was pi****g and the next day at breakfast I ask if somebody was staying at the house with long white hair and everybody looked at each other(adults) and ask if I saw her. I figured Im not the only one that had seen her. I still cant believe they left me down there by myself. Ive also seen an ELF not sure if that is what call it if you guys want me to explain how ,where just ask :sweatdrop: long story

* Are you sexually expressive and inventive OR do you reject sexuality in boredom. May explore alternate types of sexuality. YES but only to the opposite sex :mfr_lol:

* Do you seek meaning to their life and understanding about the world you may seek this through religion, spiritual groups and books, self-help groups or books, or individually. Thats why im here :mfr_lol:

I dont call myself Indigo but I have pretty much all that traits, I think of myself more of alittle more sensitive than the average joe:thumb_yello: I think it runs in my family not everybody probably 15 to 20 %

[Princess Mew Mew]

Weeee :original:


* Are you intelligent (though did not necessarily have top grades). Yes

* Are you very creative and enjoy making things. Was much more creative as a kid but still somewhat creative nowadays.

* Do you always need to know WHY (especially why you are being asked to do something). Yes, absolutely. I have always been known for my inquisitiveness

* Do you have disgust and perhaps loathing for the inanity of much of the required work in school, the repetition. Can't stand it. Couldn't stand the working system either.

* Were you rebellious in school, refusing to do homework, rejecting authority of teachers OR seriously wanted to rebel, but didn't DARE, usually due to parental pressure. I did my homework til 6th grade and everything went downhill from there. Lied about doing my homework almost everyday for the rest of my school years. School wasn't helping me understand jacksh*t about my emotions and life.

* have you experienced early existential depression and feelings of helplessness. These may have ranged from sadness to utter despair. Suicidal feelings while still in high school or younger are not uncommon in the Indigo Adult. I became suicidal at 13, told my mom and she had me lectured by a psychiatrist. I've had horrific nightmares my entire life, for the most part I've been chronically depressed. And have felt the deepest feelings of loneliness too many times. Had panic attacks my whole life and didn't realize this til I was older.

* Do you have difficulty in service-oriented jobs - resistance to authority and caste system of employment. Yes. The snotty attitudes I've had to service were almost intolerable. Didn't stay there long..

* Do you prefer cooperative efforts or leadership position or solo if expertise is valued. I prefer cooperative efforts but usually seems to work within a small group. I also prefer leadership if it's appropriate for the situation. Overall I'm mostly a loner.

* Have you deep empathy for others, yet an intolerance of stupidity. Yes, I've always been deeply empathetic but I've tolerated great amounts of stupidity.. with apathy.

* Are you extremely emotionally sensitive including crying at the drop of a hat (no shielding) - to no expression of emotion (full shielding). Yes >< Depending on the situation I'll break down crying or I can be as hard as a rock.

* Do you have trouble with RAGE. More so nowadays yes and my anger problems started showing a lot more when I was around 17. A couple days ago I was flipping out (mentally) over the littlest thing. Swearing like a psychopath in my head. I had to lay down and relax and I eventually started crying and fell asleep. It's all because I've bottled up so much emotion.

* Do you have trouble with most systems (either emotionally, mentally, or physically)- political, educational, medical, law. Yes.

* Do you feel alienated from politics - feeling your voice won't count and that the outcome really doesn't matter anyway. I pay attention to a lot of it but I don't participate in board meetings and other such things, yet.

* Do you feel frustration with or rejection of the traditional American dream - 9-5 career, marriage, 2.5 children, house with white picket fence, etc. Felt that for a long time..since I was 16.

* Do you feel anger at rights being taken away, fear and/or fury at "Big Brother watching you. Every once in awhile I'll get furious over it.

* Do you feel a need like a burning desire to do something to change and improve the world. But feel stymied what to do. Yes.

* Did you have psychic or spiritual interest fairly young - in or before teen years. Yes! When I was a kid I was absolutely sure we were supposed to be telepathic.. and I couldn't understand why it wouldn't work. I knew magic was real but that was crushed quickly.

* Have you had few if any Indigo role models. If I have, I wasn't aware of them being Indigo's.

* Do you have strong intuition. Most of the time yes, but sometimes it seems totally gone..

* Do you have random behavior pattern or mind style - (symptoms of Attention Deficit Disorder), may have trouble focusing on a task unless of OWN choosing, may jump around in conversations. I was put on Ritalin in 4th grade. Took it til 9th grade.. That frickin poison messed me up. I can focus perfectly fine on anything as long as I'm interested enough. I won't bother at all if I can't find an interest in it, though I will be open minded enough to try. I jump around in conversations all the time -_-

* Have you had psychic experiences, such as premonitions, seeing angels or ghosts, hearing voices, intuitive thoughts coming through etc Yes, mostly all this year.

* Are you sexually expressive and inventive OR do you reject sexuality in boredom. May explore alternate types of sexuality. I have done both. I've been both extremely bored with it and also extremely interested in it. I'm very intuitive with the energy people give off and sexual tension, is a noticeable tension. In most cases it's annoying as hell. My sexual life has been mostly ridiculous, though I've learned, I didn't gain any love from any of it. Instead.. I have to learn to love myself.

* Do you seek meaning to their life and understanding about the world you may seek this through religion, spiritual groups and books, self-help groups or books, or individually. My whole life I never understood who I was. I always thought that my mind was me and that I have no soul. That God and Satan are figments.. in terms of Christianity which is the belief I was raised with though it died off early on in my life. My understanding of the world was morbid and twisted. Filled with absolute sorrow and misery. Fleeting moments of happiness. But as a kid I always knew, that I was here for something big, something epic. That, or I thought I was going to be here to see the end of the world. As I have seen it in my nightmares. The regressive ways are coming to an end. Love, Light, Be as One. :wub2:

Thanks 2InfinityAndBeyond and thanks Baron Cross for the idea :wub2:

[2infinityandbeyond]

*Are you intelligent (though did not necessarily have top grades); I guess. Last time i done an IQ test i had a result of 138. My mom used to say i was inteligent all of the time, i guess she lot faith in me when i lost interest in school. Inteligence is not about what you know, its knowing that you know very little.

* Are you very creative and enjoy making things. I love to draw and i love to compose music. I guess music is what i spend most of my time doing because i just love it. Ive a natural affinity for it thankfully and i can compose songs in my head easily. I was actually dumbfounded to find that not everyone has this talent, its a beautifull thing to have. Some people have cars and yachts, i have my music.

* Do you always need to know WHY (especially why you are being asked to do something). My mother could tell you this. Yes, actually i do always have to know why. I'm not happy with surface knowledge. If someone wants me to do something i need to know everything so that i can form my own methods of accomplishing the task. And if the task isnt worthwhile doing, i dont do it. Whats the point?

* Do you have disgust and perhaps loathing for the inanity of much of the required work in school, the repetition. I felt trapped when i was in that place and its something i would never want to experience again. To put it exactly as i thought ; It was like a prison reformation centre for my mind. And also, the fact that they are teaching children how high this mountain is compared to that mounatain instead of teaching them how to harness the power of their minds, and teach them the laws of the universe just ****** me right fcuking off and i wanted to punch the teacher every time i sat down and listened to their primitive boring unevolved lessons, so i went and smoked dope and discussed these things with my friends instead.

* Were you rebellious in school, refusing to do homework, rejecting authority of teachers OR seriously wanted to rebel, but didn't DARE, usually due to parental pressure. ho ho ho, no i rebelled. I didnt give a s**t to tell the truth about what my parents thought. As far as i was concerned they didnt own me, they were just a means for me to get into this world, and i was damned if i was gonna let this little action of birth allow them to lay claim to me. I rebelled, big time.

* have you experienced early existential depression and feelings of helplessness. These may have ranged from sadness to utter despair. Suicidal feelings while still in high school or younger are not uncommon in the Indigo Adult. Yes. More through my late teenage years then ever.

* Do you have difficulty in service-oriented jobs - resistance to authority and caste system of employment. As far as im concerned i am my own leader. (ohh watch the little elitest fairies..) This doesnt mean i feel superior to anyone, this just means i am my own superior. I feel no urge to order other people about or have any power over anyone, and considering that you either crack the whip or get whip cracked when working in this world i decided i would quit and persue my music and other talents.

* Do you prefer cooperative efforts or leadership position or solo if expertise is valued. I prefer either a leadership position (because no offence but i just trust my own ways of doing things, and usually when someone tells me to do something i can think of infinitly better ways to do it, yet.. they still want you to do it their way). Solo is good, if my work is appreciated i love working on my own

* Have you deep empathy for others, yet an intolerance of stupidity ; I have massive empathy for other people and often get depressed over other peoples problems. Ive a complete lack of empathy for people who choose to be ignorant and will not harness their own power.

* Are you extremely emotionally sensitive including crying at the drop of a hat (no shielding) - to no expression of emotion (full shielding) ; In the past i was very emotional. It wasnt a good way of being in this world, and eventually i learned to put up full shielding, although this isnt fool proof it does help.

* Do you have trouble with RAGE. Haha, ask my family

* Do you have trouble with most systems (either emotionally, mentally, or physically)- political, educational, medical, law. Their all corrupt and its beyond me while they still maintain the status and respect that they do. It just goes to show the complete lack of awareness of the common human being on this planet.

* Do you feel alienated from politics - feeling your voice won't count and that the outcome really doesn't matter anyway. ; Politics is not set up to cater for the needs of the regular citizen. Money talks, if you dont have it you may as well stfu

* Do you feel frustration with or rejection of the traditional American dream - 9-5 career, marriage, 2.5 children, house with white picket fence, etc. ; This is a sham, i dont understand how anyone out there could feel as if their life is any way fullfilling by locking themselves into a constant routine that eventually leads to them pissing their pants and choking on their own vomit in an old folks home

* Do you feel anger at rights being taken away, fear and/or fury at "Big Brother watching you." once upon a time yes. But now, no. They can take my body but they will never have my soul. Freedom is in the mind, and besides ive had enough court cases to know that god doesnt rule in favour of men with wigs.

* Do you feel a need like a burning desire to do something to change and improve the world. But feel stymied what to do. Yes. Although as ive grown older this has become an insanely daunting task, i do what i can but i feel its pointless to try and effect any real change when you are constantly working against those people you are trying to free.

* Did you have psychic or spiritual interest fairly young - in or before teen years. Since i was about eleven. I cant remember exactly but that age sounds about right. Id completely lost interest in religion by the time i was five and therefore my spirituality didnt flourish until i discovered the internet.

* Have you had few if any Indigo role models. Ive had none. Thus my complete lack of faith in the human race.

* Do you have strong intuition. Yup. Its how i roll, some people use their logic, i use my intuition, its the guiding force that drives my life on a daily basis. To give an example ; A few weeks ago i was driving a tractor and i was so so hungry. I thought to myself, "I would LOVE if this tractor just died so i could go and get some food" Five seconds later it died and i went and got my food. We needed a mechanic to get the machine working again.

* Do you have random behavior pattern or mind style - (symptoms of Attention Deficit Disorder), may have trouble focusing on a task unless of OWN choosing, may jump around in conversations. I was diagnosed with ADD when i was about 10 years old, my lack of interest in the education system worried my parents althout thankfully they never drugged me up. It seemed funny to my parents that i had such a passion and talent for music, drawing and the occult arts yet not a slight interest in school.

* Have you had psychic experiences, such as premonitions, seeing angels or ghosts, hearing voices, intuitive thoughts coming through etc No too the first 2, yes to the second two. Intuitive thoughts happen daily. And i dont exactly hear 'voices' i hear my own voice talking to myself using vocabulary that i dont posess. He's much more inteligent then my mind is and can answer questions my limited human mind couldnt possibly know the answers too.

* Are you sexually expressive and inventive OR do you reject sexuality in boredom. May explore alternate types of sexuality. I would lean more towords the expressive side of things. Although.. most girls ive met seem to be only concerned with the physical side of sex i crave a deeper connection, a soul to soul connection. If theres no love expressed its just a pointless animalistic act imho.

* Do you seek meaning to their life and understanding about the world you may seek this through religion, spiritual groups and books, self-help groups or books, or individually. Ever since i was a wee man. Its been the driving force of my life.

[2infinityandbeyond]

2infinity or anyone...i tried to find more info on indigo at the LAW OF ONE site. (RA). i did a search w the word "indigo children", but nothing specifically came up.

does anyone have a specific page from there to post? or direct me to the right page?

thanks!


Im not too sure about the Law of One site, but i can direct you too plenty of other sites.

Indigo Adults (http://www.indigoadults.com/) Theres a small amount of information here.
All about star children (http://www.starchild.co.za/what.html)
first wave indigos (http://www.mistychouse.com/Knight%27s-code/Indigos.htm)
First wave indigo adults (http://www.fw-indigo-adults.com/FWIA-TOC.html)
indigo children 'The unveiling' (http://www.experiencefestival.com/a/Indigo_Children/id/222757)

If you want anymore just give me a shout, ive loads. :thumb_yello:

[Hypnotize]

WOW!, I read the indigo questions and that pretty much reflects my life perfectly, when i was like 6 or 7 i was diagnosed with ADHD and was constantly getting suspended from school. I was on a medication for the "ADHD" unrill the 5th grade. the trouble with authority in and out of school whent on untill about 9th grade when i guess i just decided to go along with school and everything. now im 17 and just graduated and i still have a few problems with authority.

[M&M]

By the way, just to make things clear, you need to have 19 or more of those characteristics to be Indigo. Not 16. And 'seeing things' has a lot to do with it. :) i think finally the posts to this thread are slowly getting back on track ;)

[Muadib]

Hello! Please keep up the good and no doubt hard work with maintaining this thread:lightsabre:

Everyone and everything is beyond doubt one. Make it all infinitely creative and give it free will and opinions arise that are conflicting. Different opinions may lead to the same conclusion!

The Eskimo live in a land of snow and thus he has hundreds of words for this frozen element. It is hugely important for him to understand snow.

The soul is emerging and with it words to describe it. Evolve further and the words might change too fit new understandings, in the end we ourselves might change and will need no words.

I feel I can weary well be an indigo child, being laughed and ridiculed through life for being empathic with other beings is not a choice, it simply is, and we will have to cope as best we can. Often when the mouth laughs the soul cries with in unison:sweatdrop:

Love light and alignment 4 all

[Sherab]

Again, this thread is for people who are suffering serious problems in their life.


Do try to appreciate when someone is offering a helping hand here.
This thread is not to debate about indigos, it is for indigos to talk about their problems either publicly or privatly.



I am indigo and I have a problem with you trying to tell me what to post. :tongue2:

But seriously, I don't think that separating out indigos and how difficult their lives have been is a positive thing. Everyone has it hard in this life on this physical plane. Getting caught up in "my problems and my suffering" is a big part of what keeps us separated.

I feel that one can better use one's suffering to see how similar we all are, and therefore develop compassion for each other.

I understand that we all suffer, and that it can be beneficial to know you are not alone, but this just smacks of elitism and separation to me.

[Sherab]

you just opened up the flood gates to indigo victim land with that statement....

:lmao:

[2infinityandbeyond]

i dont really care what anyone posts here anymore, consider this post abandonded of its original intent, i reallly dont care. Ive enough to worry about my own problems let alone bring more on myslef

[M&M]

Sherab, no one said that just because you're Indigo you need to talk about your problems. Just seems like you're flaunting it and dismissing everyone else. You can cope with getting over your problems? Good for you. Though there are some that need and Want support from others who know exactly what they have to go through. Ever considered that?

[micjer]

My son definately fits the definition.

In the last week his intuitiveness has increased. He gets weird sensations when we discuss certain things going on or predicted. We talk about dreams that I have had and some of them cause him to get weird feelings.

examples:
When we talked about the Oct 14 th event he felt nothing.
I showed him the Mayan calendar and something clicked in him and he said "what is that?". He felt the urge to go and research more about it.

I would like to know whether any other of you that feel you are an Indigo are feeling similar increased sensations.

:original:

[bowspearer]

Ok, here goes:


1. Are you intelligent (though did not necessarily have top grades).

Yes, highly intelligent

2. Are you very creative and enjoy making things.

My hobbies include model building, writing and songwriting, so I'd say yes.

3. Do you always need to know WHY (especially why you are being asked to do something).

It honestly depends. If I can see that there's a clear reason that it needs to be done, I'll do it, but I have no time for social conventions which exist for reasons which may not even be relevanty anymore and which most people don't even know the reasons behind.

4. Do you have disgust and perhaps loathing for the inanity of much of the required work in school, the repetition.

So much so that I plan on doing my PhD on it and the entire education system if I make it that far before society falls apart.

5. Were you rebellious in school, refusing to do homework, rejecting authority of teachers OR seriously wanted to rebel, but didn't DARE, usually due to parental pressure.

I knew just how far to push it, but didn't cross that line because of how my family were and because of the battering my self-esteem took from constant bullying

6. have you experienced early existential depression and feelings of helplessness. These may have ranged from sadness to utter despair. Suicidal feelings while still in high school or younger are not uncommon in the Indigo Adult.

Yes, I suffered suicidal depression for many years and felt that helplessness since I was 10.

7. Do you have difficulty in service-oriented jobs - resistance to authority and caste system of employment.

Depends on the authority. Powertripping authority for sure, but people in authority who are supportive and work with you as opposed to working to slot you in the pecking order I have no time for. Also haven't had a good record in service based jobs.

8. Do you prefer cooperative efforts or leadership position or solo if expertise is valued.

Depends on who the situation. Whatever the task requires to be done in the right way is where my preference lies. I often feel a need to try and take charge, but if someone else has more expertise, I'm happy to work with them with them in the leadership role.

9. Have you deep empathy for others, yet an intolerance of stupidity.

To the point when I can even sense what a person is like in extreme cases without speaking to them, just by being in their presence.

10. Are you extremely emotionally sensitive including crying at the drop of a hat (no shielding) - to no expression of emotion (full shielding).

To the point where friends are concerned about it.

11. Do you have trouble with RAGE.

Following through on it, no- everything else, yes is an understatement.

12. Do you have trouble with most systems (either emotionally, mentally, or physically)- political, educational, medical, law.

Depends, well thought out parts of them, no, but bureaucratic conventional thinking, completely!

13. Do you feel alienated from politics - feeling your voice won't count and that the outcome really doesn't matter anyway.

No, that's a luxury we don't have. As a wise man once said, "all that need happen for evil to prosper is for good people to do nothing".

14. Do you feel frustration with or rejection of the traditional American dream - 9-5 career, marriage, 2.5 children, house with white picket fence, etc.

I do, it stops people from ever really being free to find their true dreams (even if their true dream wound up eventually being the traditional one).

15. Do you feel anger at rights being taken away, fear and/or fury at "Big Brother watching you."

Of course

16. Do you feel a need like a burning desire to do something to change and improve the world. But feel stymied what to do.

Yes but I refuse to let that get in the way

17. Did you have psychic or spiritual interest fairly young - in or before teen years.

In my teenage years definitely

18. Have you had few if any Indigo role models.

Yes

19. Do you have strong intuition.

Yes

20. Do you have random behavior pattern or mind style - (symptoms of Attention Deficit Disorder), may have trouble focusing on a task unless of OWN choosing, may jump around in conversations.

I was diagnosed with mild ADD at the age of 15.

21. Have you had psychic experiences, such as premonitions, seeing angels or ghosts, hearing voices, intuitive thoughts coming through etc

I've had both psychic dreams of a symbolic and premonition based nature, as well as hearing a voice once or twice, as well as profound intuitive thoughts on many occasions.

22. Are you sexually expressive and inventive OR do you reject sexuality in boredom. May explore alternate types of sexuality.

Yes (the expanded answer is private ;) )

23. Do you seek meaning to their life and understanding about the world you may seek this through religion, spiritual groups and books, self-help groups or books, or individually.

Of course, for the longest time.

The score I'd argue I score there is 22/23. Where my answer wasn't a straight yes, it was because the questions failed to be specific enough with what they were asking about and I feel my answers were ultimately what the questions classed as a "yes".

Now for the other discussion:

The only problem being the EGO... which can take what it wants from the definitions of indigo and use them as a means to separate humanity, and degenerate it collectively... as opposed to unifying it. This has been done countless times using religion,scripture and its dogma. And this is the point that many have been trying to express... its not that we are trying to destroy the indigo, that was never the intention.

Yet I don't think it can do that with a true indigo. The fact is that all Indigo's actually are vehemently opposed to elitism, I'm almost certain a good friend of mine in Arizona is an indigo and both of us honestly want there to be the most radical form of democracy possible to ultimately exist worldwide. Yes we're special, but all we arguably are, are guides to remind people of what really matters and where their priorities lie so that they too can get there in the end.

[bowspearer]

I understand that we all suffer, and that it can be beneficial to know you are not alone, but this just smacks of elitism and separation to me.

Then you seriously don't get it, and sorry to say it (as I know you're going to use it as fuel to somehow accuse me of being elitist by saying this) but you're clearly not an indigo, as you automatically want to equate being special and having a special role to play as being elitist.

Yes being an indigo is something special. Yes indigos feel they have a special destiny and hopefully they do, but that destiny is to shift the thinking of people to a more spiritually whole way of thinking and show them what really matters. Sure it makes me feel really special because of the place I'm at spiritually, but in my eyes that makes me no better or worse athan anyone else.

As someone who is more than likely an indigo, my ideal future would be one where the entire world was in a head and spiritual space of being indigo, because I know that the evil, the hate, the greed and the corruption would all be gone forever, and every law and bill would be voted on by every single citizen.

If all of that makes us seem elitist or "set apart" to you, then you might want to ask yourself what it is about the world today that got us all to a place where having that mindset and being this type of person, became the rare exception and not the rule ;). Then I'd suggest looking at what needs to happen internally to come and join the party ;).

[Jenny]

The sense of " being Special" is an ego thing.

Being special is divisive...standing out, being something special and other then human.


Anyone claiming they are special and something different are separating themselves and therefore suffering.


You cannot be anything else then YOU. And that is simple..easy...being who you are..BE.

trying to be anything special...labeling yourself with a special capacity will bring suffering.


Indigo's...stop labeling yourself and just BE..:welcomeani:.


Jenny

[2infinityandbeyond]

Its been enlightening to watch the ratio of peope wanting to help versus people just wanting to cause a bit of trouble who posted on this thread.

Its near enough 50/50 , Some saw a chance to add some value, and thats exactly what they done.

Some saw a chance to go in the opposite direction in an attempt to display their individualistic thinking and utter defiance of the intention that was made clear when this thread was posted.

There are many who talk about love and acceptance, but as we can see from this forum the world is quite a long way from humans acting as an inteligent whole. This forum is an excelent mini observation area which is a mirror of the world we live in.

To say i am something is not to brand myself as superior to anyone. But if this is how you feel then maybe you should look inside of yourself and see that it is in fact your own insecurities making you feel this way.

I am a special, powerfull, amazing being. And i take huge pride in that. I love the fact that i am such a powerfull being.

I can see how some would perceive this as elitism, but the only reason anyone would think this way is if they themselves feel somewhat inferior.

We are ALL amazingly powerfull loving beings. We are so awesome that mere words could not tip the iceburg. And let this thread be a lesson to many of you. For all you who feel i am elitist it is a chance for you to grow and look inside of yourself to figure out why you feel this way.
Or you could turn your back and learn this some other time, thats everyones individual decision.

Over and out. Your 'Elitist' Friend, Infinity.

[2infinityandbeyond]

Indigo's...stop labeling yourself and just BE..:welcomeani:.



Hi Jenny.

The reason for the labeling was so that i could target people who are having specific trouble in their life who have come to realise that there are not many people out there who can relate to why they feel the way they do.

I guess i have to use this terminoligy because it is people with these specific charachteristics that i wish to help.

We all have different choices when we wish to help people. Some people wish to help cancer patients, some wish to help enlighten the dying.

I wish to help "Indigo's" And for an indigo to know their true essence is one of the greatest gifts you can give a person. Because once they are empowered they can continue to empower others.

[Swanny]

Is this the 2infinityandbeyond is the best thread??? :winksmiley02:

[2infinityandbeyond]

The certain few who are posting here going against the original intent of this thread are service to self orientated.

Im happy to see there are just as many who see the greater purpose of this thread and adopt a service to others attitude.

You will all find out some day that you did not come here to service yourself. You came here to bring meaning to other peoples lives.

And when that day comes i'll be up there waiting for you shaking my finger and saying "tut tut tut". :thumb_yello:

We all have to judge ourselves someday, and if your in any doubt about this research Near Death Experiences, ive already posted an awesome video of a man called Dannion Brinkley, it should be in the General section.

50% of the people who posted here were very positive. Im pretty sure that this would not even be 10% nine or ten years ago. Were definitly on the right track.


And i'd just like to add that it is EGO that causes people to feel any offence to this post. Its rather ironic how the pot loves to call the kettle black.

[Jenny]

"The reason for the labeling was so that i could target people who are having specific trouble in their life who have come to realise that there are not many people out there who can relate to why they feel the way they do."



In my opinion you are having trouble with who you are.

Indigo or Special or Briljant Or Sensitive,or Psychic or shaman or Ph.D.....Plumber. carpenter.......whatever.

Blending in into the world you are born into ( out of free choice) and changing from within..who you are and what your experiences are...is all that can be expected.

BE.

Radiate Being.

Jenny

[2infinityandbeyond]

In my opinion you are having trouble with who you are.



On the contrare i am trying to help show others who they really are. I know who i am, i know where i come from and i know where im going.

[Jenny]

On the contrare i am trying to help show others who they really are. I know who i am, i know where i come from and i know where im going.


Projection..is a weird thing.

helping others is a very good therapy for one's own probems.

I do not condem that ..........MARK MY WORDS! NB.

In my experience and opinion the one seeing a problem, feeling a problem and wanting to help others with likewise problems...MAY be helping him/herself in the first place and in the meantime help others.

It is a two way therapy.

Jenny

[2infinityandbeyond]

Projection..is a weird thing.

helping others is a very good therapy for one's own probems.

I do not condem that ..........MARK MY WORDS! NB.

In my experience and opinion the one seeing a problem, feeling a problem and wanting to help others with likewise problems...MAY be helping him/herself in the first place and in the meantime help others.

It is a two way therapy.

Jenny

I choose to help people because i know the value of being helped myself.

Of course, i have my own problems. Lots of them. But their not spiritual problems, just physical ailments.

But when i help someone else i do it for them. I do it so that when my time comes to depart this world i can look back on my life with pride that i made a difference from someones life. And i just LOVE to make people smile, its like a drug to me and i cannot explain it to someone who is not wired this way. Feels like trying to explain color to a blind man.

When i was a young child before i had lost my innocence and the spiritual essence i carried into this world i often went into the chemist with my mum. Every time i would go in the chemist would always offer me a lollypop. I would tell him "only if you give me on for my brother too" .. It wasnt long before i found out my brother done this also, except he kept the extra lollypop for himself. Yet, even though i knew this i would always keep getting him one regardless.
Why? I dont know, i get pleasure from seeing people smile.

And just because i have confidence and see myself for who i really am does not mean i am elitist. I dont feel superior to anyone. I do however feel that everyone would benifit from feeling this way, which is why i do what i do.

[Jenny]

Looking back on your life with Pride is an ego thing .

Jenny

[2infinityandbeyond]

Looking back on your life with Pride is an ego thing .

Jenny

No its not.

I do not understand this logic, could you elaborate please.

Ahh so now ego is the enemy, some aspects of so called "ego" are not bad. For a person to feel pride in helping others is not egotistical. It is self respect and shows a profound respect for others.

[Dantheman62]

I have to butt in here, I'm sorry Jenny but you are wrong about this ego thing, and 2IAB is right. And Jenny you're reading way to much into the label thing. If all the road signs were the same shape and size then how would you know what to do unless you label them.If you had soup cans with no labels how would you know what was in them. Labling is a way to differentiate things, not make something better or worse.And how is talking about your youth an ego problem? There is a differense between pride and ego.

[Phtha]

Ahh so now ego is the enemy, some aspects of so called "ego" are not bad. For a person to feel pride in helping others is not egotistical. It is self respect and shows a profound respect for others.

I get a sense of joy for helping others, I feel no sense of pride whatsoever.
And sorry but the latter is the ego.
Your lack of knowledge about the inner and outer workings of the mind is
causing much harm, even though it's not your intention. I think this is the third
time I brought it up.


I have to butt in here, I'm sorry Jenny but you are wrong about this ego thing, and 2IAB is right.
Can you maybe elaborate a little more then that... lol?

And Jenny you're reading way to much into the label thing. If all the road signs were the same shape and size then how would you know what to do unless you label them.If you had soup cans with no labels how would you know what was in them. Labling is a way to differentiate things, not make something better or worse.

Sorry but you are not looking into it deep enough.
And your examples are pointless as you are comparing man made physical objects to us. I already pointed out the danger of the labeling in this thread beforehand so I won't say it again.


And how is talking about your youth an ego problem?

Doesn't that depend wholly on what is is that the person is saying?

[Dantheman62]

I don't need to elaborate more, she's wrong and he's right, simple. Labels are just simply a way to differentiate things, human or not. I would take pride in helping a little old lady across the street and feel the joy also. I don't think looking back on your life with pride is an ego thing. Don't get me wrong now, I'm really a cool person and don't mean anything personal by this at all, just my two cents, and now I'm out of money,LOL!

[Circlewerk]

Looking back on your life with Pride is an ego thing .

Jenny

Accurate observation, Jenny.

I thought I'd add a page from A New Earth here, to better break down the "ego" from an objective, educated point of view.
And because I couldn't have said it better myself.

" Most people are so completely identified with the voice in the head-the incessant stream of involuntary and compulsive thinking and emotions that accompany it-that we may describe them as being possessed by their mind. As long as you are completely unaware of this, you take the thinker to be who you are. This is the egoic mind. We call it egoic because there is a sense of self, of I (ego), in every thought-memory, every interpretation, opinion, viewpoint, reaction, emotion.
This is unconsciousness, spiritually speaking. Your thinking, the content of your mind, is of course conditioned by the past: your upbringing, culture, family background, and so on. The central core of all your mind activity consists of certain repetitive and persistent thoughts, emotions, and reactive patterns that you identify with most strongly.This entity is the ego itself.
In most cases, when you say "I," it is the ego speaking, not you, as we have seen.
It consists of thought & emotions, of a bundle of memories you identify with as, " Me & my story," of habitual roles you play without knowing it, of collective identifications such as nationality, religion, race, social class, or political allegiance.
It also contains personal identifications, not only with possessions, but also with opinions, external appearance, long standing resentments, or concepts as yourself as better than, or not as good as others, as a success or failure.

The content of the ego varies from person to person, but in every ego, the same structure operates. In other words: Ego's only differ on the surface. Deep down, they are all the same. In what way are they the same? They live on identification & separation."

[2infinityandbeyond]

I get a sense of joy for helping others, I feel no sense of pride whatsoever.
And sorry but the latter is the ego.
Your lack of knowledge about the inner and outer workings of the mind is
causing much harm, even though it's not your intention. I think this is the third
time I brought it up.



Pride can mean many things, it only takes a quick glance at the dictionary to realise this.
When i say pride im refering to this definition ;

pride :

2. Pleasure or satisfaction taken in an achievement, possession, or association:

-not- this ; 5. An excessively high opinion of oneself; conceit.

There are many different meanings to many of the words in the english dictionary. You cannot argue a point on one word unless you are aware of the definition that was intended.

And you will also notice that the words 'pride' and 'joy' are very much intertwined ;

Joy :

To take great pleasure; rejoice.


Notice the similarities?

Remember, before embarking on an argument you should first make an effort to understand what definition was intended when it was incorporated into a conversation.

[Dantheman62]

Clap,clap,clap.

[2infinityandbeyond]

Sorry but you are not looking into it deep enough.
And your examples are pointless as you are comparing man made physical objects to us. I already pointed out the danger of the labeling in this thread beforehand so I won't say it again.


Ok, i can only make my point clear by using metaphors ;

Labeling cans is different from labeling people, this much goes without saying for labeling the latter has much broader consequences some of them negative but you must not forget that some of them are also positive.

We do not label someone who is black a .. you know what, i dont wish to say it.
And the reason we do not do this is because it shows a complete lack of respect towords the person you are labeling. And this indeed causes friction.

Now there are instances where labeling is acceptable. If we did not label people with skitzophrenia then we would not be in a conveniant position to treat these people.

Now, your telling me that the use of labels is dangerous. This is a massive generalisation. Its close to saying driving cars is dangerous and we should not do it. There are some instances where driving a car can be dangerous but not always. And the pro's of driving a car far outweigh the cons.

I am saying that labeling people under certain circumstances can be benificial. Are you really saying that this is not true.

This subject is far more vast then to just throw a generalisation around it and call it dangerous. We are all adults here and are aware of the consequences of how we use our words and in what context.

Intent is the key word here.

- You may be a moderator here but that does not mean you are always right. Wether 18 or 80 we grow old as soon as we stop learning.

I would like to discuss this with you further, but i dont appreciate you stamping your opinion as if it is law. I am an adult and i will use labels and generalisations where i feel they are constructive. You telling me i cannot do this is a true sign of ego.

[Circlewerk]

Whatever you learn through psychoanalysis or self-observation is about you. It is content, not essence. Going beyond ego is stepping out of
content (Indigo).
Knowing yourself is being yourself, and being yourself is ceasing to identify with content.

With loving energy~
CW

[Phtha]

Pride can mean many things, it only takes a quick glance at the dictionary to realise this.
When i say pride im refering to this definition ;

pride :

2. Pleasure or satisfaction taken in an achievement, possession, or association:

-not- this ; 5. An excessively high opinion of oneself; conceit.

There are many different meanings to many of the words in the english dictionary. You cannot argue a point on one word unless you are aware of the definition that was intended.

And you will also notice that the words 'pride' and 'joy' are very much intertwined ;

Joy :

To take great pleasure; rejoice.


Notice the similarities?

Remember, before embarking on an argument you should first make an effort to understand what definition was intended when it was incorporated into a conversation.

I'm not knocking the dictionary but it teaches the same stuff we learn in public de-education institutions, it only scratches the surface of things.
Its exoteric knowledge as opposed to esoteric.
Look those two words up if it pleases you,
because they pretty much explain the method of our manipulation to a tee. :thumb_yello:

[Phtha]

Whatever you learn through psychoanalysis or self-observation is about you. It is content, not essence. Going beyond ego is stepping out of
content (Indigo).
Knowing yourself is being yourself, and being yourself is ceasing to identify with content.

With loving energy~
CW

And the only way you can dissolve your ego is to walk the path of absolute Truth.
To get in tune with that voice that tells you what is wrong and what is right, in all aspects of your life.
Some call it Mother Nature, some call it The Divine, some call it Intuition.
Many names it has.

Some examples of more well known people who have dissolved their ego would be,
Ghandi, Mother Theresa, Bob Marley, and Jesus.
And many others who are not famous and whos names would be meaningless to you unless you met them.


Listen carefully now you will hear.
~Bob Marley

[2infinityandbeyond]

I'm not knocking the dictionary but it teaches the same stuff we learn in public de-education institutions, it only scratches the surface of things.
Its exoteric knowledge as opposed to esoteric.
Look those two words up if it pleases you,
because they pretty much explain the method of our manipulation to a tee. :thumb_yello:

My main point is this ; Human kind will not advance until they recognise that yes each one of us is different. It is not our differences that divide us, it is our lack of love and respect for one another that keeps us at war.
To say that we are all the same is to turn our backs to the truth. We are all different, but no person is in any way superior to another. They may be better, but that is something that should be recognised. I believe that if Jesus did walk this earth he was better then me, and i will strive to be like him.

But if i do not admit that he was a better person then me i would completely lack the incentive to work towords attaining his way of being.

To say that being positive and loving is not better then being negative and hatefull can be debated on many fronts.

Holding low vibrational emotions literally deteriorates the human body. This is how cancer and many other diseases are cultivated.

Love is a proven healer. We all know this, we know the bilogical and chemical changes we feel in our body when we feel love and acceptance. This is joy, and its an awesome feeling that makes us feel truly alive.

To say one is better then another is not to claim one is superior. If somone wishes to advance along with the flow of the universe then he must first recognise that which is better then him and take action in order to progress in this direction. Getting angry and defensive is only putting roadblocks in ones own path.

Each persons difference is an expansion unto ourselves and must be met with love and acceptance.

If there are indigos, and if they are more evolved spiritually then other people big deal. This should be recognised and they should be loved for their difference. And these people didnt come into this world to argue, they came to show everyone a better way of being.

But then again, history may not have changed much.

Anyone remember that guy named Jesus who tried to help everyone.. what happened him again..?

See my point. People dislike being told that they are responsible for not only their own lives but for everyone elses. We each influence at least 100 other people as we go through different stages of our lives. Its our responsibility to come to the awareness that we are not living up to our potential and only when we come to this realisation can we take the neccesary steps to change this so that we can become something better.

Labels are neccesary. Until we develop telepathic communication we must use labels. Every word that comes out of our mouth is a label. "His eyes are blue", i just used a label ('blue') to describe the frequency of light that reflects off 'his' eyes. Not only that but i used a label to describe the biological organ which is composed of millions of bacteria and mini organisms that gives him the ability to convert light energy into an image which in turn can be recognised by his brain.

Just because the eye can process light into images does not mean it is superior to the ear. It just means it is better at its job. And when both work together they become an effective form of navigation in this physical world.

Dont be arguing over indigos, aknowledge their existance and try too work with them.

Namaste

[Sherab]

But when i help someone else i do it for them. I do it so that when my time comes to depart this world i can look back on my life with pride that i made a difference from someones life. And i just LOVE to make people smile, its like a drug to me and i cannot explain it to someone who is not wired this way.



It is really about you. If making others feel good didn't make you feel good, you wouldn't do it. So it is an ego thing. The second sentence in the quote is "I, my, I, I". It is a story you can latch onto about how great and wonderful you and your non-existent self are.

It is like a drug. The ego is always looking for the next fix, whether it's drugs, alcohol, or being "altruistic". They are all about "me" and making "me" feel better. This is why so many people burn out doing charity work. Eventually the "service" stops making them feel good, they stop getting their fix, and so the motivation to continue is lost.

And after having thoroughly reamed you, I would like to say that you are great and wonderful, but not because you make people smile. You are great and wonderful because you are god. There is nothing you can say or do that can make you less worthy of love and less deserving of all the wonderful things this existence has to offer.

[Phtha]

- You may be a moderator here but that does not mean you are always right. Wether 18 or 80 we grow old as soon as we stop learning.

I would like to discuss this with you further, but i dont appreciate you stamping your opinion as if it is law. I am an adult and i will use labels and generalisations where i feel they are constructive. You telling me i cannot do this is a true sign of ego.

For the record I'm not a mod.
But this is precisely the problem with titles. People get judged differently because of them.
If it was my forum I would have no titles, everyone would be a user and that's it.
Because you are right, my word should
not hold anymore weight because of the title I bear. Unfortunately this more often
then not is not the case with people. This is the second time you brought up my title in
this thread which shows you fall into the category of the latter. Otherwise
it would be a non issue to you.

And pretty much all of what I said is not exactly my opinion, but rather
information gained from the study of the esoteric mysteries and alternative Histories.

I'm still learning like the rest of us. :smoke:

[Circlewerk]

And the only way you can dissolve your ego is to walk the path of absolute Truth.
To get in tune with that voice that tells you what is wrong and what is right, in all aspects of your life.
Some call it Mother Nature, some call it The Divine, some call it Intuition.
Many names it has.

Some examples of more well known people who have dissolved their ego would be,
Ghandi, Mother Theresa, Bob Marley, and Jesus.
And many others who are not famous and whos names would be meaningless to you unless you met them.


Listen carefully now you will hear.
~Bob Marley

I won't presume to know if those you mentioned were with, or without ego.
Or if they exercised their ego in their daily lives, as I was not there to observe their behavior consistently enough to know.
But I will say this..
When "Right and wrong" come into play, I am back in ego.
So instead of being attached to the thoughts & emotions that bring me to the conclusion that right & wrong have anything to do with anything, I am instead the awareness behind the thoughts & emotions.
Neutral, allowing, and free.

Peace,
CW

[Dantheman62]

Wow you guys are really deep!,(phtha and Circlewerk ) can you say psych 101? I hope you're both making 6 figure incomes!, if not you missed the boat. I'm just messing with ya! Smile, it'll be o.k. Tell a joke, have some fun! I know the bluebird of happiness does occasionally poop on your head, hence my avatar. LOL!

[OceanWinds]

Keep up the good work, its helping them. I notice that a couple are beginning to see...

[ForsakenFalcon]

Looking back on your life with Pride is an ego thing .

Jenny

yeh cause looking back on it with remorse and resentment is a WWEHHHHOOOLLLEEEEE lot better "cough"

[Phtha]

I won't presume to know if those you mentioned were with, or without ego.
Or if they exercised their ego in their daily lives, as I was not there to observe their behavior consistently enough to know.


You bring up a good point, it's possible to detect in others, once I learned what to look for. The people mentioned
would not have been able to accomplish what they did had they been in ego driven consciousness.
They would not have been able to speak with such conviction about their beliefs because they would be to busy worrying about what others are going
to think of them for 1 thing.
I would be surprised if their ego didn't play at least a small role in their personal lives though.

Their motivations, like any mystic masters, were certainly not ego driven.

Learning to identify the way people act under ego is also a perfect way to detect charltons or false prophets.

I can name many but don't want to open that can of worms. :lol3:


But I will say this..
When "Right and wrong" come into play, I am back in ego.
So instead of being attached to the thoughts & emotions that bring me to the conclusion that right & wrong have anything to do with anything, I am instead the awareness behind the thoughts & emotions.
Neutral, allowing, and free.

Peace,
CW

I agree, and from my experience a dishonest being can never hope to achieve
a relationship with that particular Awareness.

Wow you guys are really deep!,(phtha and Circlewerk ) can you say psych 101? I hope you're both making 6 figure incomes!, if not you missed the boat. I'm just messing with ya! Smile, it'll be o.k. Tell a joke, have some fun! I know the bluebird of happiness does occasionally poop on your head, hence my avatar. LOL!

lol... hey... this is fun!
But your point is certainly true and well put.
Have fun and experience joy with everything you do. :roll1:
Sometimes text won't come off that way.
I always loved these smilies because of that. :biggrin2:

yeh cause looking back on it with remorse and resentment is a WWEHHHHOOOLLLEEEEE lot better "cough"

And those were whose words?

[ForsakenFalcon]

it may not be what she/he said directly but considering it's the complete opisite of there purposial statement I don't see many othere options on how to view ones self/experience/life

I much rather have pride over what I was mentioning thats for sure.

[bowspearer]

Whatever you learn through psychoanalysis or self-observation is about you. It is content, not essence. Going beyond ego is stepping out of
content (Indigo).
Knowing yourself is being yourself, and being yourself is ceasing to identify with content.

With loving energy~
CW


Part of that is being able to accept all parts of yourself positively, which last I checked, this thread was about- in particular, that the "freakboys" of this world are in fact different and positive ways and the fact that we are different is something to cherish, not to despair over.

See that's what all the "U R TEH YLIT SUK!" posters in here fail to grasp. Most of us who are indigos have known we were different from a very young age, not because of some smug sense of superiority, but because there were those in our lives who made damn sure we knew it clear as crystal in a way that we were made to feel 'less' because of it, to the point where many of us have no self esteem left by the time we've reached adulthood.

Let me ask you something, if fate handed the world a glut of special and gifted people whose reason for being here was to make the world a better place, would you want them helping others and showing others what really matters so that ideally everyone on the planet starts to finally get it right, or would you rather make them feel pathetic, worthless, useless and like they'd be doing the world a favour if they committed suicide?

Anyone who says that question is even slightly extreme is honestly completely and utterly ignorant of the situation, because it highlights the reality of things.

In short, are you going to be either a part of the problem or a part of the solution, because there is no middle ground!

[Hoss the SURVIVER]

HI ALL

Indigo HUH?

the trouble is and i feel we all do it is that we make Special colors and Number something infallible n special? They only indicate what we could be not who or what we are, why well our life sytuation upbringing and belief system can get in the waty

I am an INDIGO, plus A 33 n numeric's, and I'm anything but SAINTLY.

So her gang is a web site with an Aura Color quiz in it
http://www.auracolors.com/personal-quiz-auracolors.html
that i have used for years. I actually have her book and was keeping a recorded results manually. Over time as we learn more it is noticeable that the color setup will change, eventually a couple will become prominent.

My two are CRYSTAL n INDIGO, have a go n give it a try, but remember the longer time period covered gives a more reliable outcome, we all need to grow RIGHT

Hoss
E G M :trumpet::trumpet::trumpet::trumpet:

[bowspearer]

the trouble is and i feel we all do it is that we make Special colors and Number something infallible n special?

I haven't seen anyone imply that indigos are infallible. Special sure, but so what. Isn't it better to view yourself as eccentric and special than a "freakboy" and a loser like society would have us feel?

[ForsakenFalcon]

I haven't seen anyone imply that indigos are infallible. Special sure, but so what. Isn't it better to view yourself as eccentric and special than a "freakboy" and a loser like society would have us feel?

thats excatly my point earlyer just because i consider my soul colour indigo and have the traits wrighten down by people whom are not me that harderly distracts me in my day to day in real life lol and i highly don't any of us whom would realy be an indigo excatly sit there all day dwelling on it iv got way more importent sh*t to worrie about.

[Jenny]

Whenever you get sucked into a debate that is circling over and over again on what is wrong and what is right, what is positive and what is negative, you are out of balance and identified with ego.

Ego cannot help himself on an ego level.

Rise above the ego level and you will be balanced and neutral, in unity. Middleground is the best place to dwell.

The moment you feel, know, see, hear, smell, unity..you will be free of egodriven actions.


Jenny

[Sanat]

The term "indigo" or "star kid/seed/adult" has to do with two things in my opinion:

1. Past life(s).

2. Level of Consciousness (LOC) (http://consciousnessproject.org/page.asp?PageID=14).

Allow me to explain my take on this whole issue. There are a lot of souls that have choosen to incarnate here to participate on this mission of transmuting darkness into Light - or raise the vibration of mass consciousness and the Planet to a higher level (3D to 5D+). All of these souls have two things in commen:

1. They have either never been to this planet before or they have "graduated" from it long ago, and thus returned to help with this mission. They would not need to come here for soul lessons as their "home/familiy" is elsewhere and they are not as such "karmically" bound to this planet. They are mainly here to raise the vibration (please read this manual (http://www.soulwise.net/et-101.htm) for a deeper understanding of the mission).

2. Their incarnation level of consciousness (the level of consciousness a soul is born with before it is subjected to indoctrination from parents/society) is typically much higher than that of a "regular human" (i.e. a soul that is karmically bound to this planet and has lived a lot of lifes here). Let's say that a "regular human" has an incarnation LOC ranging from 140 to 270 (there are always exceptions of course) and a typical "star seed" incarnates in the range of 350 to 500+. Often the shock of being born here takes the sensitive "star kid/seed" way down the scale for a while before they start waking up. Some might get more lost than others, but most respond to the different wakeupcalls they themselves have put into their "life blueprint". DNA activation is also a big part of the wake up process (again I refer to the manual (http://www.soulwise.net/et-101.htm)). The reward is that one can make huge leaps in consciousness very fast because the resistance is so great on this plane that it is bound to make you stronger.

Most "regular humans" are so indoctrinated from thousands of years of fear and conditioning that they function in a victimized robotic state of survivor mode. Thus, spiritual growth has been very slow for a long period of time. The star kids/seeds are here to break up that conditioning and raise the overall level of consciousness. All "regular humans" are always welcome to join in this process and many are jumping on the bandwagon every day. After all, everyone is a lightbulb; the only difference is the amount of energy flowing through it, and thus how much Light it emits...

Here is how the manual refers to an

Extraterrestrial

An extraterrestrial is not an alien. An alien is an alien. An extraterrestrial is a responsible citizen of the cosmos, not a foreigner adrift among the stars. Extraterrestrials are representatives of light, protectors of life, and lovers of the planets. They are indigenous to any planet they happen to be on by virtue of their citizenship, regardless of their planet of origin.

Many of you have come to believe that you couldn’t possibly be an extraterrestrial because you feel so connected to the Earth and love her so much. May we suggest that if you love this planet at all, you are an extraterrestrial. May we also suggest that your concern for this planet was so great that you cared enough to send the very best—in this case, yourself.

Alignment, not lineage, defines the meaning of the term “extraterrestrial.” Although all life emanates from the same source, not all life is aligned with that source. An extraterrestrial is a being who is in sympathetic harmony with the essence of its genesis.

[Tuza]

Would you say then that most of the early members of this forum could be these Indigo/Star Seed/Light Workers. Those that have been on this path for a very long time.?

[Sanat]

Would you say then that most of the early members of this forum could be these Indigo/Star Seed/Light Workers. Those that have been on this path for a very long time.?

I would say that it is up to each individual to "wake up" to who they really are. According to my measures using Hawkins method (http://consciousnessproject.org/page.asp?PageID=16) about 40-45% of the world population are "star kids/seeds/adults" in different stages of awakening. Some are still latent or "asleep", while many are awakening, and some are more or less fully awake. I will quote the manual (http://www.soulwise.net/et-101.htm) about why this is necessary:


Transmutational Procedure
RULES FOR DYSFUNCTIONAL PATTERNS

Step I:
In Rome, Do as the Romans

Upon arrival on the Earth plane, your instructions were to completely fall asleep—just like the local population. You were to totally forget your true identity and everything you knew.

Since most of you entered as babies, this was not difficult. Every institution in the culture supported this memory loss, and it became easier as the years went on. Any inadvertent slips on your part most likely occurred during childhood and were easily dismissed as the result of an overactive imagination.

Since imagination threatens the dysfunctionality of this world, it was probably drummed out of you as soon as possible by the adult inhabitants of the planet. What your parents were unable to suppress, the school systems most likely made short work of, as this is their specialty. In this manner, the local planetary inhabitants unwittingly assisted in maintaining the secrecy of your presence and the security of the mission.

Step II:
In Rome, Do as the Arcturians
Ground Rules

Step II of the transmutational process cannot begin until the successful completion of Step I. In short, you must be able to pass for a local, and you are not allowed to just fake it. Total dysfunctionality must be achieved before Step II can commence.

When extraterrestrial incarnates on mission to Planet Earth finally arrive at the point where they are no longer able to demand water they can drink, food they can eat, or air they can breathe without killing themselves, they are to understand that Step I of the mission has been successfully completed. The incarnates have truly become Earthlings, and Step II may now begin.

Coming Out of the Closet

You may dimly recall the saying, “In Rome, do as the Arcturians.” If not, don’t strain your memory. Even if you do remember, the humor of it may not be immediately evident. That catchy little intergalactic saying was coined to capture the essence of Step II of the transmutational procedure. That procedure entails waking up to your true identity and forgetting everything you learned up until this point so that you can remember what you actually knew before you got here. In other words, you are to junk the entire identity you just spent a lifetime laboriously creating. Now do you see why we say the humor may escape you?

All Roads Lead Away from Rome

Yes, you understood the preceding entry correctly. You are to disengage yourself from your old identity and dissociate from a declining Rome. After falling asleep profoundly, you are now expected to wake up, equally profoundly. Now is the time to dismantle all false identity. Now is the time to forget that which has been learned in deference to that which is deeply known. Now begins the awesome process of altering human history. Now is the time for everything, and now is here.

The gentle reminder part should perhaps also be included:)

Gentle Reminder

Some of you are probably wondering why such a torturous route was chosen to get to the desired destination. The reason you are wondering this is because you have been on this planet too long and have absorbed some, if not all, of its dysfunctional thinking. Keep in mind that this planet is no model for rational thought, and that what passes for sanity here is sending chills down the spine of the remainder of the universe.

The need to absorb the dysfunctionality of the planet is in order to legitimately disarm its patterns. Any other method would constitute an invasion, and we do not invade. We alter by earning the right to do so. No entity is permitted to enter an alien world and disarm its dysfunctional patterns without having lived them. That is in compliance with Universal Law, which we represent.

Although we have had transmissions from many of you, screaming, “Invade already. Just get me out of here!,” we regretfully remind you that that is not what you signed up for. Getting out of here is not the point. Getting more light into here is. Remember?

[bowspearer]

thats excatly my point earlyer just because i consider my soul colour indigo and have the traits wrighten down by people whom are not me that harderly distracts me in my day to day in real life lol and i highly don't any of us whom would realy be an indigo excatly sit there all day dwelling on it iv got way more importent sh*t to worrie about.

And so you'd rather have that negativity you went through growing up be pushed aside and act like a ball and chain and pressure cooker all rolled into one? That's your choice, but you also need to respect that some people out there consciously choose to deal with that negativity and want to come to a place where they can view something that they were made to feel ashamed of growing up as something they can embrace and cherish.

But hey, if the need for some people in here to keep up with pissing contests justifies compounding as opposed to healing child abuse, then I guess that says alot about the people who decided to turn this into a pissing contest!

[bowspearer]

There is a medical reason parents resort to medication and that should never be discounted.

Obviously coming from someone completely clueless on the affects. Sorry but no parent could ever really love their child and put them on that curse if they truly knew what it does to you and the long term side effects it can cause (and I'm speaking purely in terms of medical side effects here).

[bowspearer]

Whether you want to admit it or not, all that is written about indigo is nothing other then higher states of consciousness.

Right so to draw an analogy- if you have an Olympic class athlete who's been abused as a child for their talent to the point of suicidal depression and then someone comes along and creates a forum for them to feel good about that and understood, possibly for the first ever in their entire lives; do you think that it's anything less than selfish and narcissistic for others to come into said forum and trash it because of their need to start an argument?

Whenever you get sucked into a debate that is circling over and over again on what is wrong and what is right, what is positive and what is negative, you are out of balance and identified with ego.

Except that here that is completely one sided. You have one side who simply want a place where they can finally feel good about themselves for the first time in ages, and others who are acting either out of maliciousness or a blind lack of empathy and wanting to turn this into a debate.

If people are so desperate to debate the idea of an indigo, let them start a thread up to do it, because right now, all their actions in here are being is completely destructive and if anything, in line with the agenda of the NWO.

So having posted this, I challenge everyone in here who deliberately derailed this thread out of some innocent lack of insight and empathy, to do so in a new thread specifically for that purpose. Otherwise, let your continued combative posts in this thread show who's really pulling your strings and your real reasons for joining this forum!

[M&M]

Jenny, you've got a part of the picture. For you to see the other side, you need experience. I am. No continuation to that sentence because I would be defining myself. I cannot. But I know what I am a part of. Many groups which share similarities of 'being'. One of them being indigo. Seems like you're having problems in understanding the potential of collectively 'knowing'.
By trying to spark off a new debate, you're neither helping nor leaving with something useful. Everyone loses. Surely that's not the way you intend to view others and in turn, the world.

[2infinityandbeyond]

Whenever you get sucked into a debate that is circling over and over again on what is wrong and what is right, what is positive and what is negative, you are out of balance and identified with ego.


Simply not true. For example, a man murders his wife out of blind rage. Would it be considered egotistical for me to identify that with 'wrong' , with 'bad'.

No. We cannot function as a society unless we have a common understanding about what is right and what is wrong, a standard code of ethics. And im quite sure that many who are living here right now do not need to learn this code of ethics because they display this charachteristic naturally.


Ego cannot help himself on an ego level.


Explain exactly where i posted that you feel i was coming from an egotistical level.


Rise above the ego level and you will be balanced and neutral, in unity. Middleground is the best place to dwell.


And do you feel that we are beyond helping others when we are balanced? This is after all the basis of this argument.


The moment you feel, know, see, hear, smell, unity..you will be free of egodriven actions.


I'm not quite sure are you aware of this but there is a lot of work to do before we as a race are anywhere near unity. And until we are unified there is much work that needs to be done.

I am doing that work, and getting called egotistical for it. I'm much happier being branded egotistical and trying to help them being branded enlightened and sitting back whilst my people tear each other to shreds.


And not everyone is as 'enlightened' as you. The people in this world who are even close to having a good idea of what is going on is close to 5%.

And for you to keep on preaching about ego and raising questions about it is just turning your back to the other 95%.

[2infinityandbeyond]

Unfortunately this more often
then not is not the case with people. This is the second time you brought up my title in
this thread which shows you fall into the category of the latter. Otherwise
it would be a non issue to you.


I would not have a problem with anyone having a title as long as they didnt abuse it or feel that they were superior to anyone else because of it. At this current stage in our development (considering we all are locked into an egotistical mindset, and as much as we try this will not change until we undergo the same kind of event that caused us to switch to ego mode in the first place. My opinion on this would be a magnetic pole shift, im not quite sure.) we need titles. We need labels. Otherwise there would be chaos. And considering we still lack the ability to communicate mind to mind, labels are essential.

The problem here is not the use of labels, it is peoples idea that labels should include status. Each persons job here is no more important then anothers. And no job should be higher payed then another.

There should be no problem with having moderators on a forum, we need structure in order for this to work efficiantly.

[Jenny]

My post is directed to no one in particular but an observation on human beings evolving towards a spiritual beeing.

Any one who is taking it personally and choose to prove me wrong or false or whatever, is proving that ego=actions cannot be seen nor changed from the egolevel.

Staying observant and neutral is what helps to see what actions are taken at the egolevel or at the spiritual level.

Ego is a tool and as such valuable.Like a hammer is a valuable tool to get a nail into wood.

No more , no less.

[Sir-Chi]

You know i been speaking with and about this topic since 99 which is when i first read "The Flower of Life" books by Drunvalo Melchizedek which then shortly after he put out a video called "THROUGH THE EYES OF A CHILD" which to me is one of the most amazing metaphysical videos at that time.

Drunvalo speaks about the INDIGO situation pretty extensively and in a way for which doesn't create separatism.

SEE WE ARE ALL INDIGOS ... some of us came in with more memory. That is what this is all about. Who is awakening to their memories .....

Like the Ascended Master that are here walking this planet right now, like St. Germain who i spent some time with and interviewed http://spiritofmaat.com/sep08/saint_germain.html#part2

He speaks about how the Ascended Masters come in with only 10% memory and as we get closer to July 25th 2013 they will awaken ALONGSIDE us.

We are all special here at this moment in history. Indigo, Crystaline, Rainbow and all the other names being used. Everyone here walking this planet right now is very special to be here at this moment of Ascension.

Some of us came in with a little more memory .... that's all!! Like a computer that was 3.0 20 years ago now the new computers (children) are like 15.0 .... jajajaja

Since we are all obtaining lots more info then lets say 20 years ago ... these kids need learning to be speeded up ... Our SYSTEMS must change .... Since the reality is rapidly changing.

Lets rise in Consciousness together with much love light and laughter
SC

[bowspearer]

SEE WE ARE ALL INDIGOS ... some of us came in with more memory. That is what this is all about. Who is awakening to their memories .....

But the thing is that while some people get there later in life, after their formative years, while some get there as kids, and those who get there as kids have had it tough growing up. I agree we're all ideally heading towards the same level of evolution, but there's a difference between being a happy, healthy, well adjusted adult and discovering it, where you yourself realise how special reaching that place in spiritual development is, and being a child in those young, vulnerable years where you're made to feel ashamed of it by people still well and truly asleep because you don't "fit in" according to their blinded world view.

That's why the debates in here annoy me. This thread's original purpose was altruistic, noble and egalitarian, as its only purpose was to show people that something major they were made to feel ashamed of is something to truly feel proud of and cherish as a very positive move on our eternal journey to be all we can be.

To put it in terms of your threads, this thread's purpose is to give the "indigo children" the same self worth and self esteem regarding where they are spiritually as the "new indigos" (my own term for people who weren't necessarily born at that level but reach it in this life).

[2infinityandbeyond]

Again, This thread was not designed to discuss indigos, their origins or how many people display indigo characteristics.

The thread is in place to serve as a ground for people who feel they fit into this description and who may not heard of indigos before and who are also having extreme psychological or emotional difficulties at this time.

Its a place to help those who are in need of it the most.

So far many selfish people have disregarded this in favour of voicing their opinions and proving their intelect.

But again, for maybe the tenth time im voicing the original intent of this thread, its interesting to watch how many continue to go off topic just to flaunt their intelectualy enlightened prowess.

-[edit] This is not directed at the two previous posts.

[Swanny]

HI ALL

Indigo HUH?

the trouble is and i feel we all do it is that we make Special colors and Number something infallible n special? They only indicate what we could be not who or what we are, why well our life sytuation upbringing and belief system can get in the waty

I am an INDIGO, plus A 33 n numeric's, and I'm anything but SAINTLY.

So her gang is a web site with an Aura Color quiz in it
http://www.auracolors.com/personal-quiz-auracolors.html
that i have used for years. I actually have her book and was keeping a recorded results manually. Over time as we learn more it is noticeable that the color setup will change, eventually a couple will become prominent.

My two are CRYSTAL n INDIGO, have a go n give it a try, but remember the longer time period covered gives a more reliable outcome, we all need to grow RIGHT

Hoss
E G M :trumpet::trumpet::trumpet::trumpet:

I just did the test on that page and scored 11 for yellow, which is quite good as my aura looks like this http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/albums/thumbs/3/55d5432fe5c2e7f108d922ee80d2132d_3055.jpg?dl=12234 17933


Yellow is the best :thumb_yello:
:original:

[Jenny]

Dear 2Infinity,

It is an impossible endavour to control the course a thread takes in my experience.

Jenny

[2infinityandbeyond]

Dear 2Infinity,

It is an impossible endavour to control the course a thread takes in my experience.

Jenny

Maybe.

But its amusing to see that so many people who are going on about ego and how indigos are claiming superiority are expressing these two exact traits by going against the original intent of the thread.

This is also a classic show of ignorance and arrogance. The two main traits that have humanity in the mess it is in today.

[Swanny]

Maybe.

But its amusing to see that so many people who are going on about ego and how indigos are claiming superiority are expressing these two exact traits by going against the original intent of the thread.

This is also a classic show of ignorance and arrogance. The two main traits that have humanity in the mess it is in today.

Sorry don't mean to be rude but you strike me as the most arrogant person I've ever come across on a forum.
Maybe your new to posting on forums? This is a forum thread it will go off topic, thats what happens on forums, nothing you can say or do will ever stop that, get used to it and enjoy what happens rather than getting your knickers in a twist. :)

[Phtha]

Maybe.

But its amusing to see that so many people who are going on about ego and how indigos are claiming superiority are expressing these two exact traits by going against the original intent of the thread.

This is also a classic show of ignorance and arrogance. The two main traits that have humanity in the mess it is in today.

There you go again, anyone who goes against your opinion is ignorant and arrogant as you put it. And earlier you called us stupid and insecure.

I challenge you to point out 1 person who said" Indigos are claiming superiority". Those are your words.
Read what you type.
Look in the mirror.
You are the one displaying all these traits you project on others.

[M&M]

Obviously there's no point in explaining things as they are going past deaf ears. Swanny, some people need this, and you are depriving them of it. This forum is really bringing out the selfishness in people who claim to disagree, then want light shed on the subject, then attack and keep throwing a helpless end to what seemed like a valuable proposition to start with.
Without trying to control where things go to, we end up with nothing. What was the point of this when some people insist on proving their viewpoint is the right the right one to follow?
Resigning and leaving you guys to agree on arguing between yourselves.
Adios :)

[Circlewerk]

[QUOTE=bowspearer;52994]Part of that is being able to accept all parts of yourself positively, which last I checked, this thread was about- in particular, that the "freakboys" of this world are in fact different and positive ways and the fact that we are different is something to cherish, not to despair over.

Cherish & Despair~
Both polarities are man-made conditioned responses to adjectives you beLIEve to be ABOUT your person. You are not the you that you told you were, that you think you are, that you have been conditioned to think you are, but then again, NONE of us are.
We have all been conditioned away from our presence, through beLIEf systems, labels, and deep psychological influencing.
There is nothing to cherish or despair over, those are boxes that keep you from your essence and one another.
The ego is addicted to these labels, and the false sense of power it obtains through the beLIEf, when you defend your attachment to any of the characteristics or labels, worthy of cherishing or not, try & see objectively, how much emotion a little mental concept like "My" can generate.
Identifying with anything as yours or you, will ultimately cause you all the pain you have and none of it is kin to essence, which needs nothing to sustain it's neutral, unconditional vibration, it has existed always and is indestructible.




See that's what all the "U R TEH YLIT SUK!" posters in here fail to grasp. Most of us who are indigos have known we were different from a very young age, not because of some smug sense of superiority, but because there were those in our lives who made damn sure we knew it clear as crystal in a way that we were made to feel 'less' because of it, to the point where many of us have no self esteem left by the time we've reached adulthood.

Not sure what "U R TEH YLIT SUK! means...
but anyway..
"Made to feel?"
With all due respect, this is inaccurate.
You were given choices, and as a result of conditioned responses, you chose "less than."
But it was never true, it never held any weight in spirit. The ego was conditioned to think it was the driver, the engine the whole car. It was crashed into by other egos, and thought that any mental dent on it's psyche was an actuality, due to the conditioning of being influenced to identify with words & definitions as a reality, which created a beLIEf system, that followed you into your adulthood, and causes you to reflect on the past, thereby keeping it alive in the now.
And nothing changes if nothing changes.
I understand your thinking, and the way you are piecing this all together. I understand why it is you feel the need to defend your label and your story.
I did it for years.
I can answer yes to 20 of the questions that allow the Indigo label to be attached to my life story, but I have zero desire for it, because it does not exist. It is simply another crutch of a label that my ego would love to latch on to, so that it can have some man made word & definition to feel a delusional sense of power behind, and so it can perpetuate the illusion into the now which is seamless.
It is not necessary, it is potentially a belief that enables a wedge between myself and others who perhaps do not identify, when in essence, we are identical.
Having been the so-called victim in many situations, I easily identified with a bunch of labels that only blinded me from the absolute being that simply experiences life without attachment or need or speed-bumps.
When I finally was able to detach from all of the labels, AND the past, completely, when I was clear enough to realize that EVERYTHING is NOTHING, and that only my perception built on conditioned words & definitions, would make it SEEM real, I was able to detach, and see the fact that I had been conditioned to think in terms of separatism, as a result of identifying with the label & roles they perpetuate.
I was only conditioned to think that I was made to feel, and that in truth? None of what happened to me, was anything that created the me that I am in essence. Those are things that happened as a result of choice, and the choice to feel anything behind any of it, was ultimately made by only me. How I choose to identify with those things, will condition my role in this world, because my ego clings to roles, that is part of the conditioning.
And because people continue to dwell in the past, and all that has happened to who they think they are, they continue to repeat their misery or joy.
If we live consciously, if we do not attach to any role and instead, be the experience, the energy behind what is observing the contrast, we can take responsibility for the expansion that is necessary for the oneness that is.
There is only one thing that perpetuates evil on this planet, human unconsciousness.


Let me ask you something, if fate handed the world a glut of special and gifted people whose reason for being here was to make the world a better place, would you want them helping others and showing others what really matters so that ideally everyone on the planet starts to finally get it right, or would you rather make them feel pathetic, worthless, useless and like they'd be doing the world a favour if they committed suicide?

Fate hands nothing.
There is no blanket fate. An individuals perception of their own fate, will be as a result of the belief system they subscribe to. Belief systems are conditioning systems that retard the ability to live free and consciously.
There is energy, neutral, unconditional, expansive & profound. Thoughts derived from belief systems impede on our unity.
Rather large responsibility, "making the world a better place, showing others what really matters' for a group of people who cling to a label, a role, that by doing so, contradict their supposed mission of helping us get it right.
We cannot get this wrong.
Or right.
We can experience it consciously, or unconsciously.
What I prefer, is that the extreme emotions, the ego, the connection to conditioning, the belief systems, are seen for what they are, so that we can recognize our kinship and begin to live from a neutral place of allowing & loving effortlessly. All of us.






Anyone who says that question is even slightly extreme is honestly completely and utterly ignorant of the situation, because it highlights the reality of things.

No, it highlights YOUR reality of things.

In short, are you going to be either a part of the problem or a part of the solution, because there is no middle ground!
My answer would never satisfy you, as we define probelm & solution differently, and neither matter. I love you. I recognize you in me, and myself in you, beyond any of the lables or roles, beyond words and thoughts. That, matters, to me.

[2infinityandbeyond]

There you go again, anyone who goes against your opinion is ignorant and arrogant as you put it. And earlier you called us stupid and insecure.

I challenge you to point out 1 person who said" Indigos are claiming superiority". Those are your words.
Read what you type.
Look in the mirror.
You are the one displaying all these traits you project on others.

no no, see you need to learn how to listen. I said that the people who are going against the original intent of this thread (which is to help those in the midst of an existential crisis) are the ephiphany of arrogance and ignorance, whos only motivation in posting here is to express their awesome intelect and let everyone know how wonderfully enlightened they are.

And hey, lets admit it here guys. The only reason anyone here is trying to debate indigos is because they feel inferior when confronted with the whole concept. This is a FACT, and if you wanna debate it then i would be more then happy to do so. (ohh humans just hate to consider that they are as unevolved as cattle on the grand scale of things) I can admit this, can you?

I'm truly sick of people posting on this thread trying to argue the whole concept of indigos, at the detriment of others. It makes me sick to tell you the truth, and any show of arrogance on my part is just a mirror of some of the inconsiderate, selfish people who have posted here so far.

Do you really find the whole idea that THERE ARE BEINGS OUT THERE WHO ARE MORE EVOLVED THEN YOU so terrible.. i admit it, i know that there are millions who are more advanced then me. And do you know something, i accept that, but some humans are just so damn far up their own asses that this concept is blasphemy to them. Dear me, get over yourselves.

And if you find the idea that there are people incarnated on this planet who are more evolved then you so damn hard to swallow then its pretty obvious that your ego has gotten the better of you.

[Swanny]

Dream on mate :naughty:

[2infinityandbeyond]

Dream on mate :naughty:

wow your intelect is just so amazingly vast. :lmfao:

[Swanny]

I don't need to type long boring posts to make a point ;)
I'll see you on the other side then you will learn the truth that we are all equal, hope it doesn't hurt too much when your little bubble bursts :naughty:

[2infinityandbeyond]

I don't need to type long boring posts to make a point ;)
I'll see you on the other side then you will learn the truth that we are all equal, hope it doesn't hurt too much when your little bubble bursts :naughty:

Ohh where again did i say that we were not all equal?

I said that some are more 'advanced'. You along with a few others would do well to get a proper grasp on the english language.

And mate, ive been on the otherside many times in this lifetime, i dont need a little speculator like yourself to tell me whats what. :wink2:

[Swanny]

What ever :thumb_yello:

[2infinityandbeyond]

What ever :thumb_yello:

Ohh c'mon now, i was almost sure you could pull more outta your a$$ then that!

[Swanny]

You along with a few others would do well to get a proper grasp on the english language.



Ohh c'mon now, i was almost sure you could pull more outta your a$$ then that!

It's
I was almost sure you could pull more out of your **** than that!
I happen to be English (with a capital E) so please don't tell me how to get a grasp of my native tongue :bleh:

[2infinityandbeyond]

It's
I was almost sure you could pull more out of your **** than that!
I happen to be English (with a capital E) so please don't tell me how to get a grasp of my native tongue :bleh:

Yes i noticed, im quite suprised that you dont have a clear understanding when it comes to definitions considering it is your native thounge.

[Swanny]

This is silly bickering like little kids, but it has told me a lot more of what it's like to be a indigo.
Thx for that, I'm glad I'm not one :)
Good luck to you I hope you make it.

[2infinityandbeyond]

This is silly bickering like little kids, but it has told me a lot more of what it's like to be a indigo.
Thx for that, I'm glad I'm not one :)
Good luck to you I hope you make it.

Ohh, now was it you or me that started this insecent bickering?

You dont need to even use your memory, just read back on your posts.

You reap what you sow.

[OceanWinds]

...

[Dadrious]

Still fighting I see...

:smoke:

[TranceAm]

<suggestion>
Everyone with stakes in this thread to sit back for a day,

And consider if it has to be played that hard on the edge with such high stakes.

Is what can come out of the discussion as it is going, really worth while the effort?

Who is the smartest, who will understand the position of the other side, and respect that position and all reactions possible from such position, although contrary to the position personally held?

If 2 people run from opposites sites into a concrete wall, the wall after the attempt still stands and 2 people end up with a headache, a possible lingering hangover and no change in the situation...

</end suggestion>

[OceanWinds]

Still fighting I see...

:smoke:

yes your right... this debate is irrational.

[Carol]

Given what is going on in this thread it appears that this would be a good time to take a break for at least 24 hours. Should anyone wish to reopen it after 24 hours, they may PM me directly with why this thread should continue and under what merit.

[Carol]

This is a message for guests visiting this thread. Please keep in mind what OP posted in his opening thread.

"I am also here to help if you find yourself having any difficulty in your life right now so don't be afraid to drop by and send me a message. Ive gone through the hardships and i understand fully how frustrating life can be sometimes for an indigo child so it leaves me in a very good position to relate and offer advice. Which i will gladly do."

This is his intention and we would appreciate it if those who wish to post... honor this.

Mahalo Nui Loa,

Carol

Please read this before posting ANYTHING in Avalon threads. http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/showpost.php?p=55304&postcount=5

[hobbit]

Carol,
I appreciate why you locked this thread, it hopefully will have the desired effect/s.
Infinity asked clear enough that this is not a debating thread, but a helpfull thread for those realising how they vary from the majority, this is not a difference of noticable biological status, but can be sensed, especially if you begin to utilise the mostly dormant senses in the hands.
Hopefully all will raise up into these higher realms, and will then better comprehend what is been attempted here.
Everything is ONE, but composed of variant mixtures of that one, hence the infinite variety.
This will be the most fabulous time to be here on this planet, lets make the best of this stupendous opportunity, and help each other come to terms with what may be the most amazing shock/s.
To those that doubt these variations in the field about ourselves, how can you comment?
Everyone is different, certain twins are almost identical, but they KNOW who each of them are.
You can see the physical differences, well others can see the non physical differences also, ask yourself why would they lie?
especially those not in any way proiting from anything, in any way.

We have almost everything to re-learn about the interaction/s between our biological form and non biological fields, and we can only benifit by this better comprehension, lets go forth and go there with no fear, wherever it leads, please.
hobbit

[Lunaris]

hey jenny!

[Peer]

I am an Indigo for 60 years now and an important lesson I have learned is that also and for all Indigo's have to grow up and behave.
So to everyone who didn't yet:
Grow up and untill then: Practise humility.
And after you've grown up: Keep on practising humility.

[Dadrious]

I am an Indigo for 60 years now and an important lesson I have learned is that also and for all Indigo's have to grow up and behave.
So to everyone who didn't yet:
Grow up and untill then: Practise humility.
And after you've grown up: Keep on practising humility.

Words of wisdom.

[MMe M]

ADD is a medical condition where the normal blood flow to the frontal lobe is resticted. Subsequently these children engage in behaviors which are disruptive in an unconscious attempt to increase blood flow to the prefrontal cortex.

There is no blame or judgment here.. just the facts. Adults who have ADD tend to have children who have ADD. However, adults who use drugs and get pregnant.. continue to use drugs during the pregnancy, will often have babies who have neurological brian damage as a result and also be labled ADHD.

The different medications available attempt to enable the child to concentrate and stay focused. However, there is another way to treat these various brain disorders and that is through neurobiofeedback which stimulates various areas of the brain and subsequently increase the blood flow to the prefrontal cortex.

In recent research it was also shown that ADHD children's brains tended to develop differently and that some areas of the brain matured several years later as compared to normal children. This means that some of these children will outgrow their condition in their later teens.

As we have an adopted daughter whose birth mom did drugs I know about this subject backwards and forwards. We used neurobiofeedback with her beginning at age two. She had severe temper tantrums and was very destructive. We would have to wrap her in a sheet so that she wouldn't hurt herself or others until her fit was over. Later in school when she was 10 was the first time we decided to use medication to help her control her temper in school. We have found that massive doses of royal jelly and vitamin B complex works really well for her. Due to the side effects of the medication we stopped using them and now just use wholistic treatment.

There is a medical reason parents resort to medication and that should never be discounted. Each situation must be exmined from an individual perspective case-by-case. To make a general discounting statement about medication just demonstrates the lack of information that one really needs to be aware of when making a judgment regarding medicating kids.

I would recommend for everyone one Dr. Danial Amen's book. "Chang Your Brain, Chain Your Life" if you are truly interested in understanding how a deysfunctional brain really affects behavior.

Carol,

All neurologists who have studied add so far disagree in a one single neurologigical finding for the treatment, cause and symptoms of aforementioned so called disease. It is not a disease to not fit in with 98% of the population. Personally, Id call it a blessing and do thank my lucky stars every day I dont fit in.

Most would ponder the owners of the big pharma, the agenda of the elitist mentality and those that own the companies that write the texts of the medical books and oversee the content of the cirriculum at medical schools. The same names come up time and again if you dig deep enough. The same people are on the tri-lateral commision, the cfr, and so on and so forth.

[AMA-GI]

Pride kills humility.......

Yes i am an indigo, it matters not though to me, nor should it to you.

I think all indigo's at some point suffer from to much pride, this is like a disease and must be controlled.

Without name dropping look at some of the channelers that most speak of on here....... This is a lesson all should learn, no matter if indigo or not. We all can suffer from too much pride in oneself.

There are beings whose eyes are only a little covered with dust, they may come to understand the truth.

[kauhane]

Swanny is displaying Indigo Traits:lol3:
2infinity set this as a non-debate
so please if your not into it (Indigo Revolution)
take your riddelin & chill out
so some of us could learn more

[MAP]

May I ask where did the list come from for the questions?


very interesting topic =)

[paigetheoracle]

I can't add much to this except to say that how we are drawn into this world is that we feel special, appointed, anointed and when we feel like crud, we back out as disappointed adults, who've had enough of being here and self-deception but that's life!:mad3:

Give me more of what I want because I'm disappointed with what I have!:sad:

[Peer]

Ocean Winds, you are so right.
As a 60 year Indigo I wouldn't want to be on that team.

[munkey]

I have seen this topic come up on the recent posts and just went straight past it time after time, really having no interest in it at all.
So getting bored I decide to have a look and find that I answered yes to nearly all questions.
I was a bit unfased by my answers and thought that most people would just say yes to them, then I had a look at my life and things all really started adding up.
I know everyone likes to believe they are the black sheep of their family and no one understands them, and I realized that I have only had aquatences throughout my life and never had a true friend, even though I am married, I still feel there is something there that my wife doesn't connect with.

I always knew I was a little different, having dejevu on a regular basis, but not only dejevu, but also able to see more than is there. (hard to explain that one)
As a small boy I slept on the top bunk and dreamt of gently floating, I found myself on the floor in the morning with my blanket over me and my pillow still on the bed.
If I fell out my mother would have been there in a shot.

I have seen 5 UFO's
I can't seem to look away from bright lights if I am in a dazed conversation of really heavy thought.
Had one outer body experience when I was in a car accident and I looked at myself lying there and said I was dead, then I kicked back into my body and only had a small cut on my ear even though the car was a complete write off.

and after having an xray on my hip after falling off a horse, the doctor told me I was a 1 in a million due to my pelvic bone having a slit in each side which acted like a shock absorber preventing me from breaking it.

even now while I see the world falling into termoil I am so un-fased by it, I feel empathy, yet Ireally know we need this to clense the world, I can't believe in the ET's protecting us from ourselves, I know that there will be a time when people who think they are preparing will find out that there preperation is wrong, guns, ammo and food arn't the answer,
living with nature is the answer, taking what you need and putting back what you have taken from it.

All you have to do is ask the universe for what you want and it will provide everything you need and not what you want.

[Freya]

* Are you intelligent (though did not necessarily have top grades). Yes. tested as gifted in elementary school...barely graduated high school. Always told I never applied myself.

* Are you very creative and enjoy making things. Yes. Photographic artist

* Do you always need to know WHY (especially why you are being asked to do something). Yes.

* Do you have disgust and perhaps loathing for the inanity of much of the required work in school, the repetition. Yes. Hated times tables in school

* Were you rebellious in school, refusing to do homework, rejecting authority of teachers OR seriously wanted to rebel, but didn't DARE, usually due to parental pressure. OMG YES.

* have you experienced early existential depression and feelings of helplessness. These may have ranged from sadness to utter despair. Suicidal feelings while still in high school or younger are not uncommon in the Indigo Adult. I have always off. I remember wanting to kill myself in middle school. I was 'offically' diagnosed with depression after my 2nd child was born. 6 years later ended up in the looney bin. I still self harm. :sad:

* Do you have difficulty in service-oriented jobs - resistance to authority and caste system of employment. Yes. I love helping people, but not serving them

* Do you prefer cooperative efforts or leadership position or solo if expertise is valued. Not sure on this one.

* Have you deep empathy for others, yet an intolerance of stupidity. Yep. Just ask my hubby

* Are you extremely emotionally sensitive including crying at the drop of a hat (no shielding) - to no expression of emotion (full shielding). Yep. I can flick a switch. I cry in the movie "cars" and yet others say I am aloof.

* Do you have trouble with RAGE. Unfortunately I am the recipient of my own rage.

* Do you have trouble with most systems (either emotionally, mentally, or physically)- political, educational, medical, law. On one level or another yes

* Do you feel alienated from politics - feeling your voice won't count and that the outcome really doesn't matter anyway. :lol3: dont we all?

* Do you feel frustration with or rejection of the traditional American dream - 9-5 career, marriage, 2.5 children, house with white picket fence, etc. YES!

* Do you feel anger at rights being taken away, fear and/or fury at "Big Brother watching you." Yes

* Do you feel a need like a burning desire to do something to change and improve the world. But feel stymied what to do. YES

* Did you have psychic or spiritual interest fairly young - in or before teen years. Yes.

* Have you had few if any Indigo role models. Hmm...YES!

* Do you have strong intuition. Yes

* Do you have random behavior pattern or mind style - (symptoms of Attention Deficit Disorder), may have trouble focusing on a task unless of OWN choosing, may jump around in conversations. YES! Ironically when I was diagnosed with depression, I had actually gone in to be tested for ADD as an adult. I can't shop very easily, I get overwhelmed...things like that

* Have you had psychic experiences, such as premonitions, seeing angels or ghosts, hearing voices, intuitive thoughts coming through etc Yes.

* Are you sexually expressive and inventive OR do you reject sexuality in boredom. May explore alternate types of sexuality. Yes, although not as expressive as in the past.

* Do you seek meaning to their life and understanding about the world you may seek this through religion, spiritual groups and books, self-help groups or books, or individually. YES!


All my life I have never felt like I fit in with anyone or anything. I was made to hide my emotions. I was way to sensitive for my parents. They didnt know how to handle it. My favorite thing about summer was swimming. I could sit at the bottom of the pool, underwater, and cry and no one knew. I have always hated this feeling. I would like to think I have some purpose here. I just dont seem to know what.

Done rambling.

Namaste

[macrostheblack]

Not all UFOs are negative. The ones that utilise missing time can be classed as the wrong type. They do not use spiritual lessons in their agenda in terms of respecting all life. The ones that are our friends use universal laws and do not interfere in anyway that causes fear. If anything, they infuse into a person or groups protection that will manifest in future generations. They use the implant placed by negative ets to track the mess and correct it through idea and influence. Many abuctees report sudden artistic talent. This is the good guys at work for to paint requires the heart which the bad guys wish to control with fear. The stronger the heart, so the same for the spirit resulting in growth that will ulitmatly lead to implants not working. The need for implants is simply to stunt the person or soul and body in performing its growth here. When that happens we see an endless repetition of suffering allowing others to take and use us.

I am an one of the children mentioned here.

Macros

[misfit]

Thanks 2infinityandbeyond,
good post..

The indigo bashing always amazes me on forums over the years....

Firstly indigo/star seed /wanderer ect .. are only descriptions of peoples who fit like a big cirlce in a little square in this fake manufactured reality …
They are able to think HOLOGRAPHICALLY , acces other dimensional awareness,have built in bullsh*t detectors, see through all, and are here with solutions in selfless service to the Oneness Humanity/Earth/Universe, naturally as its meant to be...we take on the ****tiest rolls, on stage in the movie/reality to transmute,change,,,, the fake parasitic existance of what is, was, and never will be again......

Are you scared???

Thats why were such a threat, and believe me sheeple, our battles are more on other dimensions, :lightsabre:
than here in 3d distractions.

Sheeple are feared by indigos.ect. (or what ever you want to name /categorise for your need to relate not relate).
Was funny,one poster called us indigos sheeple,,,,,,ha ha ha ...friggin knob,,, transparent mirror games we laugh at.

Common man sheeple can only think lineraly, and are mosly only a sum total of their programed reality they've experienced in life so far, ….which is extreemely limited ...., they fear change... they will hopefully soon have the same gifts …. which for many of us now at the monent feel like curses . It will be much easier for them. Your welcome ;-)
Yes we are all one,,, but were NOT the same...
The difference between Us and You is CONCIOUSNESS/AWARENESS.
We are NOT equal in conciousness/awareness ,,,, and percentige soul connection.
Without the indigo/star seed/ wanderers , humanity had/has no chance ...
Humanity as desighned so ,ARE the SLAVES to the 4d controllers that puppeteer them, ..
This will change , and the lazy sleeply sheeple need to discover this at their own pace.

Damn !!Words are so limited, perceptions and misconseptions are not!

For some, none of this will be understood.... understandidbly.... :winksmiley02:

[redhead57]

When I discovered the information on Indigo's a year ago it was like reading about my life. Every one of the "quizzes" I have taken the results are the same, an overwhelming confirmation of my lack of comfort with the social, political and spiritual systems. It is my understanding that the Indigo's are to question and challenge the PTB opening the door for newer and better ways of relating to the world around us, seen and unseen.

What I cannot understand is the hostility that I have seen in this thread. As someone who believes that I am an Indigo, I do not see myself or any others as more or less special than anyone else. We are all parts of the whole and it takes many parts with many different functions to make the whole. I believe that every person on this earth at this momentous time has chosen to come here, to incarnate at this time. Those of us that have been exposed to the information that Project Camelot puts out there are open minded and ready for the coming change. I see this information as part of the mystery of spirituality and evidence of our divine nature.

We are in the minority, as the rest of the world is sleeping in their material pursuits we are seeking answers and truth. The nature of the Indigo is to question and to seek truth, and to reject that which is false. We are the door openers for the Crystals and Rainbows, does that make them more special that we? NO. Every soul has a part to play in these times, none is more or less valuable than the other.