What exactly will happen in the aftermath of the collapse?

[Emman]

Good folks,

The Dow fell 678 points or 7.3% today. We know what's going on more than the average person. We have been monitoring this for many months. We're aware. I've prepared as best I can. Bought freeze dried food to last the family for 4-6 months, pulled cash from the bank, and stocked up on any goods and supplies that are pertinent for short term survival.

We know the dire straits listening to the whistleblowers on Camelot and other forecasters. We're prepared for the impending bank holidays and closures of stores, and services.

My question is: what exactly will we be facing when the collapse occurs? Will the banks call all of the home loans? Will people be kicked out of their homes as a result of not being able to pay their mortgage? Will mercenary troops be knocking down people's doors to evict them?

I'm just trying to get a handle on exactly what kind of situation our lives will be in the following several months after the collapse. We've heard about the dire straits, but it seems almost abstract to me because I haven't heard from the forecasters exactly what kind of living situation we will be facing. Yes, I understand that chaos will occur. I wonder if all my preparations I've done will be enough or for naught.

If there are any articles that give an idea about what exactly our daily lives will be like in the aftermath of this downfall, please post the links.

Thank you......

[LiquidSwordz]

Hmm, this is what i see happening. They are trying to crash the markets as much as possible, to create civil unrest to declare martial law. If this doesnt work, they will most likely stage another terrorist attack(bombs,biological) If this doesnt work, i think we could see an attempt to unleash World War 3. I think they are trying their hardest to push martial law though, as much as they can. The reason i say this is because of the Patriot Act, and all the new executive orders Bush has signed, during his years in office. It would be a TOTAL waste, to have signed all those bills, that take away our freedoms, if he leaves office without using them.

This is what i see happening, if martial law is declared. Troops will be on our streets from all over the world. Anyone who resists, protests, or even speaks publicly about our government, will be labled as a "terrorist," and placed into FEMA camps. Only god knows the punishments they will endure.

Soldiers will have the right to come into our homes, confiscate our weapons, belongings, food etc. Just like they did in Hurrican Katrina, when they were doing, block by block sweeps. Since our homes are all on loans by the global elite who own them, they can seize them at any time. Why do you think the feds are buying up all the bad loans? This bubble was created by them. They just want more control. Examples are: JP Morgan buying WAMU, and Citigroup pushing for Wachovia. JP morgan, Citigroup, and Bank Of America are all apart of the global elite. When they kick us out of our homes, where will we go? The troops will just gather us up, wherever we are hiding and throw us into those FEMA camps. Once again if you resist or speak up openly about the government, you will be labled as a "terrorist"

[Swanny]

Why would they take food?

[colesmommy1117]

just a heads up...George Bush will address the nation tomorrow morning at 10 a.m. eastern daylight time.

[TAXMASTER]

it will start to spiral when you will not be able to use the atm, stores will no longer accept credit or debit cards nor checks. at that point cash will only be accepted. as prices skyrocket, because of inflation, the money will soon be worthless and we will all be temporarily in barter mode. at that point, gold and silver will be used. then the amero will be introduced. they will have some form of conversion formula that will screw everyone out of their life savings.

Namaste'

[Rebel4Life]

I thought the NAU was canceled for the fact that we're bankrupted ? I remember reading an article stating that Canada did not want to from the NAU because we're a bankrupted country...so how is this gonna work again?

[sfth13]

I thought the NAU was canceled for the fact that we're bankrupted ? I remember reading an article stating that Canada did not want to from the NAU because we're a bankrupted country...so how is this gonna work again?

Mexico will take us over! :mfr_lol:

[duffster]

I live in Australia and all we hear is how good our banks are and we have nothing to worry about :lmao: we are free from the rest of the problems of the world (What a joke ) Now we have out wonderful PM saying that times are going to get Hard!! .
I like many people have been buying food and stocking up in readiness for what is to come,but at the end of the day i do not see how the banks can call in ALL of the home loans We the people who have home loans would out number any amount of troops and police in any Nation so i dont see how they can call in the loans .

Good luck to all
Love and peace

[wes_whitewolf]

Mexico will take us over! :mfr_lol:

No wonder the PTB wanted that big wall up down there! Its not to keep illegals out of US...it's for keeping us slaves here!!! Welcome to Democrapy folks!
:welcomeani:

[Lance]

I thought the NAU was canceled for the fact that we're bankrupted ? I remember reading an article stating that Canada did not want to from the NAU because we're a bankrupted country...so how is this gonna work again?


Exactly, the NWo is relying upon us canucks to bend and spread but we've the 'safest' banking systyem on the friggin' globe http://www.edmontonsun.com/canadavotes/news/2008/10/09/7033076.html

The Amero is not going to happen as planned because our PM's, evil, twisted mugheads that they are, are savvy to many things we plebs are not.
We've fought off the American's before, we'll do it again. Hell, most of the US armed forces are in Iraq! Funny that.

But to answer the original query. Hold enough cash to get you by for a month. There IS a bank 'holiday' coming and it's not a holiday celebrating the amount of 'interest' YOU earned last year.

If you own more on your home than it is worth in the market right now you stand a very good chance of foreclosure. All wishful thinking and 'good thoughts' aside. If you own more than 50% of the equity in your home there should not be a problem (I am praying...).

The events which have been unfolding over the last 7 years are unprecedented. There is no 'allowance' for precognition. If you listen to some, the sky is falling, comets headed our way and the economy is collapsing. Well, lets stick with the economy, globally, it is going through a major restructuring. The major, olde skool banks want to steal all the wealth garnered from the New World 'hoarded' in New Skool banks. It's pretty simple when you look at it like Bloods and Crips. Consolidation through vulture capitalism.

The entire outcome depends upon each and every single one of us, and each and every single one of our neighbours. We are at the Nexus in time where Free Will and Personal Choice, mean more than money or metals or anything else. We are the point where the metal meets the man. Metaphorically. Each and every single one of us has either opportunity or crisis. "May you live in interesting days" is NOT a Chinese 'curse', it is a blessing. Use it as you Will.

[SoulSuspect]

I think Im going to invest in WWE wrestling now. I predict that stock making it through especially when things get bad. lol please dont follow this advice.

[NatureGirl]

I'm thinking people who do have their head in the clouds are in for a BIG surprise! I'm curious though, why aren't Americans on the streets in droves, protesting that their government completely ignored the people whom they represent??? I just don't get it. I mean their government has done whatever they've wanted to do for 8 years and NOW, when it is so blatent that the people were ignored, nothing - is this just the media hiding things again? Are people protesting?

In Chicago, renters were being evicted from their homes (by the bank) with little to no notice - families of 4 standing in the streets, for God's sake! I guess the bank forclosed on the landlord/owner of the building, then the bank came in to evict people. The renters themselves had done nothing wrong. This kind of thing is already happening. The mayor stepped in, but there's only so much that can be done. Very, very sad.

[I_Am]

http://vodpod.com/watch/1064415-u-s-national-debt-grows-to-large-for-national-debt-clock?pod=buzzflash

National Debt Too Large For National Debt Clock...sign of the times.
Maybe one should be starting to invest in weelbarrows, understand that they were mighty popular in early 1930's Germany...to carry the cash to buy bread.

On the other hand...people are starting to wake up now...even members of the policeforce and military are obviously reluctant in carrying out the dismantling of the US and world peace - let us pray that the minions of the banking system will begin doing the same thing.

Maybe the Venus Project is the way to go?
http://www.thevenusproject.com/

Peace and love to you all.

[Lance]

Thought this was interesting. I'm in Canada and didn't expect this outcome:

Did a test today. My husband's birthday present from the family was a small TV for his home office. He had decided to use our digital box in the office for hockey games, and had decided to get a high def box from the cable company for our main TV. When he phoned in the order, the first thing the service rep wanted to do was put it on our credit card, but he said "no". He indicted that the website said that you could put this onto the cable bill for 3 years for about $20/month and that's what he wanted to do. The rep said that it actually goes through Wells Fargo. I thought this was kind of weird, but agreed to see if we could get credit so long as I could pay the whole thing off anytime I wanted to. I was curious because all day the TV reporters have been saying that noone will be able to get loans in the near future. Now, our brand new Jeep was approved just last year through Wells Fargo - I mean, these guys approve everybody for everything! Not only that, but we paid off our Jeep loan in less than a year! Well, guess what, they wouldn't approve us for the mere $500 on a box that could easily be returned to Shaw if we didn't pay the $20/month on the plan. We had to laugh at this because it seemed too unreal to be reality. I mean our credit is solid!! It was a test that I didn't think would end up like that, talk about shock! We can buy the box if we want to, with cash, but this is just too strange. They had mentioned on the news that no one will get credit for anything - cars, student loans..., but in Canada, too? - I didn't see that coming.

PS: yes, we have an emergency plan in place - have had for a number of years - just so you don't think we've got our head in the clouds.

I'm thinking people who do have their head in the clouds are in for a BIG surprise! I'm curious though, why aren't Americans on the streets in droves, protesting that their government completely ignored the people whom they represent??? I just don't get it. I mean their government has done whatever they've wanted to do for 8 years and NOW, when it is so blatent that the people were ignored, nothing - is this just the media hiding things again? Are people protesting?

In Chicago, renters were being evicted from their homes (by the bank) with little to no notice - families of 4 standing in the streets, for God's sake! I guess the bank forclosed on the landlord/owner of the building, then the bank came in to evict people. The renters themselves had done nothing wrong. This kind of thing is already happening. The mayor stepped in, but there's only so much that can be done. Very, very sad.

Tasers, Non-Lethal Weaponry, Soldiers on the streets. Greetings sister, we Canucks are sitting ducks like the Austrians in 38. If 'mericans don't change in the blink of an eye it's too late.

[NatureGirl]

Good one, Lanc(ifer)! I like that response!

[Steve_A]

Hi NatureGirl,

I'm over here in Brazil. I too am amazed at the refusal of some people to take precautionary measures, like withdrawing their savings for a couple of weeks just to make sure.

Yesterday General Motors lost over 30% of their value because credit is not being released to people to buy their cars.

I don't like to point fingers and say that I told you so, but I did say over a week ago to take your money out the bank while you can and see waht happens. Those that dragged their feet are in for a 'shock', which is not really a shock as the writing as been on the wall for some time and people in this forum have given warning for quite some time since it's been open.

Bill and Kerry have been excellent with information on the Camelot site, so nobody can really say, "I didn't see that coming". Think about it, if you didn't see it in Canada, imagine the people in Iceland! That should tell everybody something!!!

The problem is that they didn't take precautionary measures

Best regards,

Steve

P.S. Cable is over rated! :D



Thought this was interesting. I'm in Canada and didn't expect this outcome:

Did a test today. My husband's birthday present from the family was a small TV for his home office. He had decided to use our digital box in the office for hockey games, and had decided to get a high def box from the cable company for our main TV.

[dreamangel]

Trust me, if the PTB wanted a wall up, it would be there now. I haven't seen it, have you?

[ladyluck]

just a heads up...George Bush will address the nation tomorrow morning at 10 a.m. eastern daylight time.

I'm assuming you mean friday morning at 10am eastern daylight time?

[raulduke]

I'm curious though, why aren't Americans on the streets in droves, protesting that their government completely ignored the people whom they represent??? I just don't get it. I mean their government has done whatever they've wanted to do for 8 years and NOW, when it is so blatent that the people were ignored, nothing - is this just the media hiding things again? Are people protesting?


From my perspective here in the middle of the midwest, I can relay that the economy is absolutely the number 1 concern. Unfortunately, you are correct in assuming that the mainstream media is inept as usual.

The bailout passed the second time around, I think, because of the rumor of a bank holiday (that was circulated everywhere including here, just prior to the abrupt public change in opinion on the still very vague bailout package). Not to mention the thinly veiled threat of marshall law, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HaG9d_4zij8 as that seemed to escape the mainstream media.

Problem- Banks may close for a week or more

Reaction- American Public: "Congress do something to stop this

Solution- Pass bailout bill = massive theft from the taxpayers

Mostly the people who are currently hurting from the immediate effects of foreclosures (like the Chicago family described) are too paralyzed by what's happening to them and media generated fear, to take to the streets and protest.

As for the people that I know w/ a bit of $, not yet affected by this mess, I cannot seem to reach them. We've been bought out w/out our permission.

I think George Carlin nailed it in a one liner:

"...and everyone has a cell phone that makes pancackes, so they don't want to rock the boat."

Oh and, if and when things go sideways, I'm prepared to live off the land for awhile, I love to do that anyway, just need a reason to give up the easy life permanently. A country boy can survive.:original:

I think I'll head north.

[Mystica]

Keep in mind that deflation would hurt the average American far more than inflation.

Inflation dilutes debt. Deflation will make the debt load crush the average family.

[matronmedusa]

Has anyone considered that all of this talk and worry over "doomsday" is actually promoting it? Just a thought....

[yikes!]

I don't think anyone can tell us what it will be like.

I know what I am planning for: keep yourself in good shape, be prepared to lose your job and live off modest means for awhile. Think of alternatives methods for income and how you can reign in your spending.

Stock as much long term food, health and medical supplies and water as possible. If you can stock up on house essentials like paper household products and batteries, thats a good idea as well.

If you were able to stash some cash for gold/silver as a bonus great, have as much cash on hand as you can manage.

Take a leap of faith that bank deposits might whether the storm. I know I have, its tough to convince my wife to liquidate long term cds.. so I've managed to top off some cds, but the others well.. I just hope they are not lost forever. If they are.... sigh...

But I am planning for a crazy winter and as the webbot guys "summer of hell".

I really like what the halfpasthuman guys have been managing to get out there.. if our problems stay only economic, we can manage through this. I have been reading the urbansurvival newsletter religiously the past few weeks, he has excellent insight.
http://www.urbansurvival.com/week.htm
I also like this blog:
http://theautomaticearth.blogspot.com/
and Bob Chapman as well:
http://theinternationalforecaster.com/

Friend of PC MStC has launched his own site too with a lot of interesting tidbits:
http://stclairzone.ning.com/

If they escalate this economic chaos into loss of human life, we are in for a paradigm shift.

And as Ringo says on his latest CD:
"Are you ready to Cross Over?"

:yikes:

[Jacqui D]

I live in Australia and all we hear is how good our banks are and we have nothing to worry about :lmao: we are free from the rest of the problems of the world (What a joke ) Now we have out wonderful PM saying that times are going to get Hard!! .
I like many people have been buying food and stocking up in readiness for what is to come,but at the end of the day i do not see how the banks can call in ALL of the home loans We the people who have home loans would out number any amount of troops and police in any Nation so i dont see how they can call in the loans .

Good luck to all
Love and peace

I heard duffster that there are a lot of iluminati in your country and they have taken over a lot of your civillians by walking in.
If you do not know what that means it is total bodily takeover by these 4th dimential beings.
Australia is the land of the free at the moment because a lot of them are residing there, they will not bring chaos to their own doorstep.
But how long that will last i have no idea.
Keep safe and pray you will no go down like many other countries will

[Genevieve]

Hi Jaqui !!

In regard to your above post would you care to point me in the right direction toward "researching" that observation a little further please?

I am in no way discounting your observation - merely asking for some help in looking into this further.

While I do feel very grateful for living here in Australia at this moment in time , and grateful for my location, upbringing, the various ebbs and flows of my life that have funnily enough brought me back at this very moment to the place of my childhood - I am continually PERPLEXED to say the least about the resounding SILENCE from the average Australian citizen in the face of what is happening worldwide.

Do they REALLY believe we are immune to it all? Or do they think our little old government is gonna turn around and go "Isolationist" on the rest of the world?? lol I doubt it seeing as our whole economic BOOM is related directly to China's industrial expansion. And even our "beloved" BHP Billiton which is almost soley responsible for the resources boom in Western Australia - has suffered badly this week.

I seriously think we are in a VERY precarious position as Australians - politically and geographically.

While we currently have "good" economic realtions with the Chinese ( and a Mandarin speaking Prime Minister to boot lol) - we were also a part of the Coalition of the Willing and so far up the US *** that at one stage I thought if GW stopped walking suddenly John Howard would have a brown nose!!!

We have at best "precariously polite" diplomatic relations with Indonesia (which is just a small boat cruise away from our northern shores) and one of the largest Muslim nations in the world!!

We rely almost TOTALLY on imports for all our domestic goods as we have literally NO secondary industry and are at the mercy of the world markets for our HUGE amounts of primary industry.

Add to that the fragile environment which the majority of Australians being used to a western culture "live on" and you can see we are also at the mercy of relying heavily on technology and infrastructure to provide all our citizens with even the most basic needs as water and food. A handful of dams and a fragile pipeline supply water to over three quarters of the states population in WA alone.

The whole of Western Australia is still reeling from an incident earlier in the year involving an explosion in a north west gas pipeline which we soon found out was THE one and only major supllier of natural gas to the states infrastructure and due to the "unavailability" of a certain part worldwide - we are still being hit by the limit of supply of a basic need!!! Loads of resources yes - but all held to ransom in the blink of an eye by the lack of or total control of our infrastructure!!

We also rely heavily on immigration especially in this so called economic boom to provide labour for our growth markets and also on overseas students at our Universities. Yet other studies show we have a continous "brain drain" from the nation wherein our most qualified and educated people in their various levels of expertise choose to leave the country.

While we SEEM to be in a better position financially than other economies at this present moment - I see it more as a fragile game of fence sitting and wonder which side of the fence we fall!!

With all this in mind - i am still PERPLEXED as to what Australia has to feel smug about??

[realitydesign]

I don't see a true martial law happening as we don't have the troops for it currently. The army is broken, morally destroyed- dozens of military suicides per week.

They are not up for holding their homeland hostage at this point.

But pockets of civil unrest/looting are likely on the horizon.

:thumbdown:

[eurosceptic]

Mexico will take us over! :mfr_lol:



Will Mexico take over Europe as well...?:lmfao::lmao:


Nothing would surprise me...

[kopenhagen]

Once again if you resist or speak up openly about the government, you will be labled as a "terrorist"

isn't that A Jones has been doing?

[Emman]

Thanks for the thoughtful postings to my questions, folks.

I listened to Gerald Celente on Rense last night and he spoke about what he sees as the aftermath of the collapse. It was actually on an optimistic note. We'll definitely all be making an adjustment in our lifestyles for sure. While many already are facing a great depression in their own llife at this moment from losing homes and living in cars or on the street, life will continue and people will adjust. Celente said that at the local level there will be commerce. People in their localities will be engaged within their own commerce. We will go back to a thrift mentality that a couple generations ago was the paradigm: save your money, be prudent in your spending, don't buy things you don't need, fix things instead of disposing of them and getting something new, cultivate gardens instead of lawns, don't go out to eat and cook more. Back to the very basics.

This is an opportunity to birth the new paradigm based upon Universal Law of compassion, fairness, and for the highest good of all concerned for all life, humanity, Earth, and all her inhabitants of the animal, plant, and mineral kingdoms.

I say: "Infinite Spirit, open the way for the best possible outcome for our future here and now. Open the way for a world that is filled bliss, joy, love, peace, harmony, happiness, prosperity, and success. May we all be under Grace and may the best possible for our lives unfold and manifest in a perfect way for the highest good of all concerned. And so it is. Thank you, thank you, thank you."

[PTTurboe]

has anyone considered that all of this talk and worry over "doomsday" is actually promoting it? Just a thought....

exactly!!!!!

[Kelle Baley]

Your insights Lancifer are intriguing and your lived wisdom the same.
i was wondering if anyone had heard about FEMA OPS -the Blue, red, and yellow, detention camps, or the lists being made to get this under way? For me, the actions taken here ARE the aftermath.

I found that Viacom did or will be buying out Youtube in order to make the list for Fema camps from profiles that prove against the NWO by content.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8K9dgqKmJ50&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-yFamOK-Lk&feature=related

check out Kalamaata777

is this about where we are? what Lancifer is on your own radar. I have a respect for you as I can spot an another intuitive scout when I hear one. best plan of escape and is this or any forum safe from being listed as a non NWO supporter? please help.

[adam]

Your insights Lancifer are intriguing and your lived wisdom the same.
i was wondering if anyone had heard about FEMA OPS -the Blue, red, and yellow, detention camps, or the lists being made to get this under way? For me, the actions taken here ARE the aftermath.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8K9dgqKmJ50&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-yFamOK-Lk&feature=related

check out Kalamaata777

is this about where we are? what Lancifer is on your own radar. I have a respect for you as I can spot an another intuitive scout when I hear one. best plan of escape and is this or any forum safe from being listed as a non NWO supporter? please help.


hello, k. baley and others. I watched the above links on "ewe"-tube, and i it raised a couple of concerns for me, particularly because i have viewed such videos before (spoken with the same mono-tone robotic voice)....

first, where are the credentials? secondly, the images are emotive in nature and do not support the argument.

basically, one may use an inductive and/or deductive approach to discovering truths. this may be done through the direct empirical testing of a hypothesis. another would be through empirical tests such as ethnography and the subsequent realizations that come from it (aside from any observational bias)

the third way is through intuition. This way is the most powerful and also the most unreliable. One must be constantly vigilant against potential bias that creeps in through previous viewing of various forms of media (such as the above videos).


If according to the video, there is a "red list" and these people are to be taken away two weeks before martial law, we will know. The video states that they would include taking of talk show hosts, etc. who were non-compliant with the NWO vision. If this is the case, we all shall know and will be prepared to strike before the blue list group is rounded up. Even if there is no pre-emptive strike against NWO actions toward red-listers, many people will head for the hills knowing that such atrocities await others (this group of ProjectAvalon members being one such group).

Also, there are nearly 300 million people in the United States. How will the NWO be prepared to round up people in such great numbers? The logistics of it are not possible. Americans appear docile. However, if you take away the budweiser, the NAACP football, the NFL and other such amenities, where is the strength going to come from to round us up?

On these grounds i strongly disagree with the above videos. On these grounds I would also like to stress the importance of intuition. There is one and only one Divine Radiant Energy that animates all forms of life. It is Life itself. The brain is like an antenna and can be consciously tuned into these rarefied frequencies by a simple act of will - a very simple act of will. Such will is simply a choice.

Using the basis of logic as well as the divine heritage of all humanity i whole-heartedly reject such claims.

To all lightworkers: Our time has come. Speak openly and lovingly. The ears and minds of humanity shall bend like saplings in the spring breeze toward the vibrations of loving-kindness. Evil is a failing minority. Not all shall ascend, that is their choice, but all shall experience the effects of the ascension - that whose basis is return, a return to undifferentiated loving kindness. May goodwill prevail. :original:

[Christo888]

Thanks for the thoughtful postings to my questions, folks.

I listened to Gerald Celente on Rense last night and he spoke about what he sees as the aftermath of the collapse. It was actually on an optimistic note. We'll definitely all be making an adjustment in our lifestyles for sure. While many already are facing a great depression in their own llife at this moment from losing homes and living in cars or on the street, life will continue and people will adjust. Celente said that at the local level there will be commerce. People in their localities will be engaged within their own commerce. We will go back to a thrift mentality that a couple generations ago was the paradigm: save your money, be prudent in your spending, don't buy things you don't need, fix things instead of disposing of them and getting something new, cultivate gardens instead of lawns, don't go out to eat and cook more. Back to the very basics.

This is an opportunity to birth the new paradigm based upon Universal Law of compassion, fairness, and for the highest good of all concerned for all life, humanity, Earth, and all her inhabitants of the animal, plant, and mineral kingdoms.

I say: "Infinite Spirit, open the way for the best possible outcome for our future here and now. Open the way for a world that is filled bliss, joy, love, peace, harmony, happiness, prosperity, and success. May we all be under Grace and may the best possible for our lives unfold and manifest in a perfect way for the highest good of all concerned. And so it is. Thank you, thank you, thank you."



I second that!

[Xhaosis]

Its not going to happen, a collapse that is. I have pondered this for awhile. Its not going to happen..



2012, we may see a collapse, it would make sense, this where I am needed now. This seems more like a sneak preview to the end. Yet their are to many strong people out there that will work to make a difference, like you and I. The idea of no running water or no electricity just pisses me off in the 21st century, and I am sure it does to others as well. As long as their are men like me, alive and breathing their will be no premature collapse, for I would bleed my soul before I let mad max run around looking for my home, to try to hurt my wife and children. The markets will stabilize and function for awhile, I believe a new form of control is on the horizon indeed, yet I think we can finesse this for a few more years. Give us time to prepare, and to prepare our children... let us not forget this crisis is indeed a form of control... For men will govern men as long as man feels the need to be taken care of. As I do, and others, it is our job to make sure the rules are being followed.

my 2 cents

[Kelle Baley]

Tasers, Non-Lethal Weaponry, Soldiers on the streets. Greetings sister, we Canucks are sitting ducks like the Austrians in 38. If 'mericans don't change in the blink of an eye it's too late.

[QUOTE=Xhaosis;48943]Its not going to happen, a collapse that is. I have pondered this for awhile. Its not going to happen..

THank you Xhaosis for saying this from your strength of truth. I am of the hope that the fall out from advanced changes socially and politically and economically and spiritually will be at a tame enough level that we may all be able to do more than survive. THere are many like you, like me and like many Avalonians that will not just lay down in fear from challenges of such.

We will not and so the outcomes suggested likely by dis informers spreading fear over the internet will not happen as it seems could be extreme. Extreme in the way of red and blue lists targeting innocent people for NWO camps has got to be a scare tactic and even if it is set up to attempt, there is another very big consideration that I strongly now feel will occur to change the intensity of focus upon controlling masses of innocent people -the arrival of a ship many miles in diameter on October 14th.

The reason? I spoke with them via channeling. I have been channeling for years so I am familiar. They knew my heart and were extremely compassionate and are the ones scheduled to arrive. listen to Blossom Goodchild if you have not already here. you decide.

http://10-14-08.blogspot.com/

[Kelle Baley]

[QUOTE=adam;48906]hello, k. baley and others. I watched the above links on "ewe"-tube, and i it raised a couple of concerns for me, particularly because i have viewed such videos before (spoken with the same mono-tone robotic voice)....

I want to thank you again ADAM publicly for your message and research on behalf of my inquiry. i am with you in that it is not likely. Just after my email to you, I was listening to Goodchild the channel on her interview and began to sob for some reason (no kidding). I then realized that I was in contact presence (energy to energy) with these beings that she is speaking of will appear. From there I realized that I could talk with them and I did. I want to tell all of you that this is what will shift so many on the edge toward enlightenment. IT is ON.

[Rocky_Shorz]

Well I know many have plans to sneak off into the woods in small communities, to get away from the Chaos of the city, but for me, I know I have a path and I am meant to be right where I am when and if it happens.

For those of us that have had time to think and discuss what's coming so we could make plans, aren't going to be going through the same shock as most. We consider those who are still going through life ignoring what is really happening around them sheep. I guess for those of us that do know, we will be the shepherds, we will be sharing our light and strength with the flock we are meant to watch over.

I think we will see more goodness after the collapse than we have ever known in our lifetime. People reaching out to others in need out of compassion.

Two types of leaders can rise out of this type of crisis, one that is angry creating a mob to destroy everything that has hurt them. The other, that has understanding and peace of heart. People will let them lead out of respect as everyone is organized with duties for the community.

Which community do you think the military is going to concentrate on?

Big cities will need leaders that are prepared for what is coming, no matter what it is...

are you ready?

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[Squeptikal]

i disagree with one point here. they could pull it off. they could round up people quite easily in the beginning. i'll say this, it may not mean anything but it's an oddity.

several occassions this past summer, i saw large trucks on the freeway carrying shiny new military trucks on them. they type with the cover that carries troops or people in general. maybe they were manufactured nearby and were being taken to the airport?

maybe. i've been driving these roads for years everyday and it's the first time i saw that.

also had a black helicopter fly right over my house, hover over a nearby neighborhood. my friend told me the copter was very near her house hovering. it had guns on it. it was black. it was the real deal. that was about 2002.

now, why would a black helicopter with guns on it buzz a measly suburban neighborhood and hover for all to see?

please, give me a realistic answer. i wish i had one.

i've seen a lot of other strange things in the past 5 years. then again, i'm just a kook.

With all the information posted here the greatest sense seems to be the most nebulous ideas about creating one's own reality. I have learned to trust my feelings more and rely on dreams I've had to point the way. So many things I have seen prior to the actual events yet these weren't spelled out quite enough to understand them until the actual events liked to the dreams occur.

This lends credibility to the "create your own reality" idea. I believe we are lent ideas through our dreams and we simply make manifest what we are expecting through dreams. Just last week I had another affirmation of them but the circumstances weren't as with the dream; they were significantly different.

While talking to friends of mine I am still amazed that they aren't seeing this pending Martial Law, the financial collapse, all the lies and trickery promoted on the boob tube, and feeling the need to do something about it. They are like sheep and this was and is my expectation of them. Hmmm.

Keeping a positive outlook for yourself is easy. We all want to survive and live in relative comfort. The difficult part for me is wanting all of humanity to enjoy the same comfort as me. So, the recent change to prosecuting mere political opposition as terrorists which circumvents the Fifth Amendment, Posse Comitatus, the First Amendment and the Second Amendment falls in line with the end game.

Apparently, I am not having the same positive outlook for others as I have for myself - this is what is being made manifest currently. I am becoming a believer and realizing that true love is loving all of us and not just me.

[Humble Janitor]

I don't see a true martial law happening as we don't have the troops for it currently. The army is broken, morally destroyed- dozens of military suicides per week.

They are not up for holding their homeland hostage at this point.

But pockets of civil unrest/looting are likely on the horizon.

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Don't forget our favorite mercenaries, Blackwater.

Personally, I'm hoping for soldiers to mutiny and take up arms against the government when it decides to send the vultures after ordinary people.

[Ricfly52]

Don't forget our favorite mercenaries, Blackwater.

Personally, I'm hoping for soldiers to mutiny and take up arms against the government when it decides to send the vultures after ordinary people.

This is what I would hope for, but don't hold your breath. I spent twenty years in the military, and there are a lot of good people there. But unfortunatly there are a lot of whack jobs also. And they seem to make their way up the ranks, and often become leaders.

On another point, as posted above, I live just outside of Las Vegas, but do most of my work in the city. Every week, but not the same day every week, an un-marked, military Blackhawk helicopter, with the 25 foot radar probe in front, does a tight zig zag of the whole city. And I mean every week for over a year this has been going on. I have a friend who is a civilian air control tower worker at Nellis AFB right on the outskirts of Las Vegas. I have asked him if the chopper is flying out of Nellis. He said he had no knowledge of it flying out of the main base, but might be coming out of Indian springs (part of Nellis) 50 miles north of the city, or even Groom Lake, aka Area 51. He always has a funny look on his face when I question him about it.

[carlsweden]

Report from Sweden and Europe

Our banks in Sweden and Europe have suffered a lot from your financial crises, but our banks are more stable here in Sweden since our last crash in the beginning of the 1990s.

The Swedish government tries to tell us that but that aren’t actually true.

For example, Norway, Sweden, Finland, Denmark, Germany and the rest of Europe has big problems our federal reserves are trying to help the banks with extra money for three months. I have a university degree in master of economic, and I can tell you that there you can’t put out a fire with gasoline. (You can’t start put more money in an crashed economy)

In Sweden our economy is much dampened of exporting goods to US and our economy has suffered for 2 years now with a very weak dollar. Many of our biggest companies like Volvo are getting rid of personnel because and are on their knees.

In Europe there is a “House price bubble” and we are just in the beginning of that road the 2009 will be very hard for us.

I have start storing gasoline, rice, dry food, batteries at my summer place. I have also bought a Motorcycle stored in my garage.

I think this is just the beginning of something big, every country will suffer very hard of this economic crisis. Every government is trying to calm down their people.

We will have an economic meltdown, soon the people will start go to the streets and fight for their food.

[Rocky_Shorz]

anyone listen to Glenn Beck tonight on CNN?

He's a fire and brimstone opinion usually, but today it was like he knew something that he couldn't share with all of us.

He was begging people in the tough times coming to keep their heads and not to start rioting.

He even took a while to speak about faith...

They had someone on talking about tracking Militias in America and how they were talking about... (everything we say in our threads)

I wonder if we are all on the 1M+ terrorist watch list...

uh oh, that won't look good on the resume...

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[Rocky_Shorz]

yeah he seemed really shook up today...

over the last few weeks he's been calling to just shut all the banks...

something far more serious has just hit him.

http://www.glennbeck.com/content/articles/article/198/16799/

[Humble Janitor]

Normally I think he's a nutjob but from what I'm reading here, he seems to at least know something about the financial crisis that we don't.

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[Trishsgate]

I think it has to remain one's own discernment. Take some time alone free from everything and think it through the answers will come. Be they to prepare or just go with the flow you will know your own path. After much forethought I am preparing I don't want to take from someone else who has very little to provide. We will be helping as much as we can. Our community is preparing and coming together in unity although it is a small community we can come together and produce enough to sustain ourselves and others. I don't think this is a group decision but an individual one to begin with. Only you can make that initial decision and then join with others of like mind.

As far as bank loan foreclosures if one will be able to keep that payment or most of it current they are hopefully and this is solely my opinions here they are not going to move you why would they want to. Sure as the economy tightens there may be some looting this may be what the military was called in to quench, the infrastructure if damaged will cause some problems for those doing the destroying.

I agree with Benjamin Fulford on the military they could be put to better use in solving the environmental problems of the world. We could focus on clean-up rather than destruction. Do you not think governments have not talked this one through but disagreements abound due to the very problems facing us today economic crisis and the unwillingness of the masses to give up comfort's for the sake of their future and future generations not to mention greed.

Again my opinion concerning lifestyle will depend greatly on what you have now and how effective you are at retaining those assets. I have been advising many for years to pay down or get out of debt completely if possible. We may return to a more simpler lifestyle community oriented or locally based not a bad thing for the environment or the people again my opinions. IMO after the initial shock wears off it will be a more harmonious time, a time of contentment and sharing for some. The worst thing people can do now is worry or fear the unknown because that is what it is at this stage things are changing far to quickly. I will try to find you some links I seen some on here just a few days ago as far as the economy is concerned.

I too have been setting fires under people for years if that causes me to be on a list then so be it I do not fear my own death, I have lived a good life modest but successful as far as I am concerned, I am also content in being or not either way.

Love & Peace
Trish

[Squeptikal]

glenn beck is ultra annoying. what a namby pamby tight rope walking groveling slave to the corporate dollar.

do this but only if you take the proper classes. i'm for genetically modified seeds if they are safe but we need organics. bleh.

ah, shut up. tell the truth dude, stop groveling.

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You are so right on! I would imagine Mr. beck squealing like a suck pig if he was one of the reporters punched in the face by the cops at the RNC convention! It will never happen tho. He's of course a shill for the party line inserted by the PTB waving the flag and not even caring what it really stands for.

As for the aftermath of a financial collapse, the warnings from Fulford on masses of oriental bank re-posessors flooding the USA is merely another scare tactic designed to involve the rest of us in the Ninja belief solution. Ha!

Below me. No way am I or anyone I hang with going to either believe in that fear mongering BS - nor will any of us stand by while an invasion takes place. It'll be a guerilla war extrordinare that will freak 'em out utterly and send 'em on to the next realm if they want. There are well over 80 million gun owners in this country, and likely over 20 million mobile, hard, life takers ready to save the nation. Don't worry guys, we've all got your backs. Chinese people are far more rooted in reality than we are right now and I don't see them willing to commit mass suicide for a mere piece of paper called the Yuan.

I do see a "meritocracy", as Fulford put it, which will bring people together and bring out the best in all of us. We'll return to the days of yesteryear when people easily helped others, worked for a living instead of a bubble, and filed for divorce from this silly "service economy" that was neither service nor an economy. We'll love and support our neighbors on this planet, clean up our environmental act, and humbly seek regaining our honor among the world's peoples through the merit of our actions. We'll get our military forces out of other countries' business and de-federalize much of our government functions and re-enable the rights of individuals over the powers of the State. We'll become less American and more human as we recover from our collective brain trauma self-ism.

The truth will reign supreme and liars won't get elected. We will move much closer to the ideals set forth in the Constitution & the Bill of Rights as the leaders of this nation are selected not on how much campaign money they can scarf, but how much truth they tell and how much conviction they display. The rampant bigotry & class-ism will be forced out in the open and dissolved. The media will return to function as a part of the voice of the people and champion of justice and terms like "fair and balanced" will be a local weather report instead of a disingenuous national propaganda slogan.

Aye, we ARE on the brink of discovering a new era of satisfaction and service to others. We just need to believe in ourselves as the solution.

"Yes, we must, indeed, all hang together, or most assuredly we shall all hang separately." -Benjamin Franklin

[davefla73]

Mexico will take us over! :mfr_lol:

hey i like tocos mmmm :)

[Knightbk]

If a collapse happens, it will be bad, but not as bad as most fear.



The hardest for most people will be the psychological shift necessary to live in this new world.

What am I talking about?
-For the last 30 years, everybody has grown up used to a throw away society where you toss stuff out instead of fixing it.
-We are used to buying whatever we want, when we want it.
-We are used to having nice clothes.
-We are used to spending hundreds a year to make ourselves look all pretty and nice.
-We are used to changing our cars every 8 years.
-We are used to spending $300 a month on Cell Phone bills.
-We are used to jumping inside cars and not taking public transit.
-We are used to building huge homes.

There is a lot of stuff to modern day life that will become a luxury and the hardest will be the shift necessary to get away from that.

Being poor is basically a state of mind and once people accept a lower living standard, they will ultimately be happier and the environment will be better off as well.