What do you know about the "Dr. Jonathan Reed Case"?

[King Lear]

Is it true or a fake?

[Johnno]

Sorry King Lear, I don't mean to sound ignorant, but who is Dr. Jonathan Reed??? Could you please post a link or two regarding this man???
Thanx in advance.
Take care.
Best regards,
John
DarkMatter

[Brinty]

Sorry King Lear, I don't mean to sound ignorant, but who is Dr. Jonathan Reed??? Could you please post a link or two regarding this man???
Thanx in advance.
Take care.
Best regards,
John
DarkMatter

Look here. . . .

www.ufocasebook.com/reedalien.html

. . . . .then make up your own mind. :original:

[sfth13]

here's the videos

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread355959/pg1

[Orion11]

sadly... fake imo.
i wanted to believe him. lol
but, who really knows....

[Ampgod]

EDITED


See the link on my other post below.


Peace,
Ampgod

[Dadrious]

"I want to believe"

[Shakesbeer]

Here's the update that address most of the skeptics best questions:
Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLU4qSjyMiA

They establish his identity as who he says he is. The story gets even more "out there" but if you know how to reproduce those "effects" then please share. Special effects? Yeah right, who did them and where's the evidence?

[Dadrious]

Here's the update that address most of the skeptics best questions:
Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLU4qSjyMiA

They establish his identity as who he says he is. The story gets even more "out there" but if you know how to reproduce those "effects" then please share. Special effects? Yeah right, who did them and where's the evidence?

It's a tough one...

[WineHippie]

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[Zira]

Hoax.Exposed long ago.The only real aliens are demons.And before they appear en masse we'll have an Illuminati deception of gods,angels,and ufos in the sky ala Project Bluebeam.The conditioning process has been going on for decades from humans in the form of disinformation,and demons channeling space brother messages. http://www.ufowatchdog.com/exposed10.html The 2nd Coming is near.The whole 2012 dimensional shift is hooey.

[Dadrious]

Hoax.Exposed long ago.The only real aliens are demons.And before they appear en masse we'll have an Illuminati deception of gods,angels,and ufos in the sky ala Project Bluebeam.The conditioning process has been going on for decades from humans in the form of disinformation,and demons channeling space brother messages. http://www.ufowatchdog.com/exposed10.html The 2nd Coming is near.The whole 2012 dimensional shift is hooey.

Now everyone crawl to the cross or burn in hell!

[Shakesbeer]

I have seen more evidence supporting the validity of this case then to the contrary which is especially odd since this is by far one of the craziest stories out there.

Here's a quick summation for those too lazy to watch a video! :thumb_yello:

A guy hiking in the woods runs after his dog who apparently got sense of something close by and went off to attack.

Dr. Reed picks up a log and heads off after him to find that his dog is attacking some kind of small being and has it by the arm. The being desintigrates the dog after ripping it appart. Seeing this obviously disturbed Dr. Reed, so he reacted as he saw was the most logical thing to do in this situation that is....he whacked the thing with the log across the noggin'

Long story short, he takes a bunch of pics and video. Both at the site and at home where he examines in the body.

The story gets much more wild from there, but yes there is photos and video of all of this as well as all kinds of other information (and disinformation) on the subject.

Here's an interview with him on Mexican TV a bit later then the update lecture:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAru5vAmcjI

For those who claim hoax, please provide some evidence that hasn't been addressed in the update lecture about identity there really isn't much info out there that is credible that contradicts Dr. Reed's claims.

[Ampgod]

http://www.ufowatchdog.com/exposed10.html

Peace,
Ampgod

[Steve_G]

It's another UFO alien contact story. May be true, may not be. I personally have no way of verifying or disproving his claims. Don't look to believe things, look to know things. For example, I used to believe that my vote would make a difference. Now I know it doesn't in any meaningful way.

It's just more second hand information.

[NOWIAM]

ZIRA brings up an important and hugh psychological consideration that should be addressed. I was raised as a Christian and also, more or less, indoctrinated to believe that All aliens were demons.

Maybe it would be best to start an individual tread on this topic? But for now let me start by using a bit of logic and reasoning to open discussion.

I ask myself. Why does God allows demonic “spiritual” beings to operate or assist in technology like material based humans do? And if God allows demonic forces to use technology does he allow his good angels to also use technology to counter (balance) the demonic technological assistance?

If not why?

However, if God allows both the good angels and bad angels (demons) to use technology then reason dictates that there must be good or even neutral “aliens”.

Also, if God does not sanction good aliens to use technology does this mean that technology is ultimately misleading or useless even for humans, at least spiritually speaking? Or does it simply mean that technology is only supposed to be used by material humans (i.e.: via third dimensional existence).

[King Lear]

I've really a problem with this case.
First when i saw the videos (Art Bell), I was totally amazed, thrilled and astonished.

But then I researched the web and found some sites where he was "exposed" and called a fraud.

That disappointed me very much :(

But taking everything into consideration, I have to say this thing looks so damn genuine.

And it even looks like a humanoid dinsaur, and there tons of rumors that the earthly reptilians are indeed humanoid dinoaurs!

And I've read an interview a couple of days ago, where a Swede claims to have interviewed a female-reptilian.
She also said that they are humanoid dinosaurs, mostly good willed but totally different to us, and that they've huge high developed cities beneath the surface of our earth.

And in the Reed-case there also "dolphin DNA" is mentioned.

And is it not imaginable that the govt. would kidnap the alien, destroy the interior of Reeds house after the search of any videos and photos and then destroy his identity and reputation?

Another possiblity: Reed could have thought that without an academic grade no one would believe him and faked his identity, perhaps also because of fear.

[OceanWinds]

anytime there is this much controversial evidence and lies... chances are its a fake, the truth normally doesnt have many anomalies

[Dadrious]

http://www.ufowatchdog.com/exposed10.html

Peace,
Ampgod

It is quite unfortunate to see so many links to a CIA owned and operated website on these forums. Seems whenever someone wants to "debunk" a case, they link to ufowatchdog.

[Shakesbeer]

I still ask, even if this guy is a -suspenseful pause- "avid photographer" how the hell would he construct such a great model of an ET? Before anyone says "It's not that good" please be at least coming from the stand point of some theatrical make up experience or model making. In which case you'll know that's an impressive "doll" if it's fake.

ufowatchdog seems like the main outlet of that information Dr. Reed refutes in the update. They did have a picture of him at his desk in Washington with his class ring on, so what does that say about his identity?

Posting pictures of him frolicking with his friends and calling him a different name doesn't make it so either..

[Shechaiyah]

From the evidence I see it's probably a true incident--another one in which human reactions are reactionary and destructive. The doctor acted LIKE AN IDIOT, so the Government treated him like an idiot.

Clearly, the being was at least four feet tall, which ought to have qualified "him" as a "hominid worth sparing" until HIS story could be told.

There was no REASON that "doctor" needed to assault Some Body because they had vaporized an attacking dog. The Grey was terrified. What else was he to do except vaporize it?

So the dog's owner comes and attacks also? This man is an idiot. He knows about the existence of ETs. We all do. Duh.

What goes around, comes around.

Shech--

[motov]

Now everyone crawl to the cross or burn in hell!

how about this, they hide behind the crocked cross and are the ones whom going to dwell in hell...:tongue2:

but back to the JR case, i think its so wierd that a man would blow away his whole life for an fake story of this magnitude, and the debunk campaign have been the one fueling the story and the effort to debunk have produced just as "fantastic" storys as the original....

[Anticomuna]

Oh please, this case has been exposed a long time ago. The guy is fraudster that before this case pretended to be a child psychologist. :thumbdown:

Practice some skepticism, ok.

[surviver]

Is it true or a fake?

Hi King Lear
I like to think this is real account of events because if not, This man has lost alot his house, his identity, his lifestyle,even his country he says its too dangerous to live in the US he even took a bullit for this story he's lost a lot for someone telling lies i just can't get past his pic's,videos,bracelet they are very clear very good he's even got the creature on audio tape for a hoax he's put a lot in.
But before coming across this thread i seen this topic on the ASK THE WATCHER QUESTIONS thread and asked him why he thought this is a hoax and he gave me this reply......

Re: Questions for THEWATCHER

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Quote:
Originally Posted by surviver
Hello Watcher

I was just wondering why is it so obvious that "Dr Reeds" story is a hoax as it seems he has got a lot of evidence such as his video's,still pics,the tape with the creatue screaming on it , the bracelet,and what about these people holding the bracelet have you ever heard of them?

Regards Surviver

To save time i have provided a few links to sites explaining the same conclusions i have come up with regarding the case...................


http://www.ufowatchdog.com/exposed10.html

http://www.ufowatchdog.com/exposed40.html

http://dorkland.blogspot.com/2005/06...than-reed.html

http://www.seattlechatclub.org/Reed.html

http://archive.alienzoo.com/alienabd...athanreed.html

while i respect THE WATCHERS thoughts and comments i still don't know i think it's down to what you believe your self in this case

Regards Surviver

[surviver]

I have seen more evidence supporting the validity of this case then to the contrary which is especially odd since this is by far one of the craziest stories out there.

Here's a quick summation for those too lazy to watch a video! :thumb_yello:

A guy hiking in the woods runs after his dog who apparently got sense of something close by and went off to attack.

Dr. Reed picks up a log and heads off after him to find that his dog is attacking some kind of small being and has it by the arm. The being desintigrates the dog after ripping it appart. Seeing this obviously disturbed Dr. Reed, so he reacted as he saw was the most logical thing to do in this situation that is....he whacked the thing with the log across the noggin'

Long story short, he takes a bunch of pics and video. Both at the site and at home where he examines in the body.

The story gets much more wild from there, but yes there is photos and video of all of this as well as all kinds of other information (and disinformation) on the subject.

Here's an interview with him on Mexican TV a bit later then the update lecture:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAru5vAmcjI

For those who claim hoax, please provide some evidence that hasn't been addressed in the update lecture about identity there really isn't much info out there that is credible that contradicts Dr. Reed's claims.



Is there an english version of this video out there?

[371]

I'm just curious as to why this guy wrapped the body in Roswell-type 'weather ballon' foil......

[argonacon]

well, he was on a hike in the woods. isnt it a survival blanket? maybe it's all he had.

this is one of the most compelling stories ever for extraterrestrial life. if you consider how hard it would be to fake that footage, and ask yourself what dr reed would have gained from the whole were it an elaborate hoax. also, considering the amount of disinfo and subversive attacks made out against this man. i dunno. i say its real. the part that really gets me is when the alien crimples up his face in pain. thats pretty amazing.

[371]

well, he was on a hike in the woods. isnt it a survival blanket?

That makes sense.

I gotta say, though- I never trusted this guy. There's something slimy about him IMO...

[Shakesbeer]

odd things happen to slime balls too :thumb_yello:

but yeah I think he says it there in the first lecture video that he used his thermal blanket from his pack.

He recently uploaded a new video for his website on youtube I noticed:

Added September 25th (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gP-0WnczDKI)

[371]

Going with his story...

This ET travels all the way across the galaxy to vaporize a dog before meeting a sudden end at the hands of a guy with a big stick??

That alone doesn't jive. I believe stranger things have happened.... odd things happen to slime balls too :thumb_yello
I'd like to believe it... But there is WAY too much evidence that this guy is a fraud.

[Shakesbeer]

Maybe because in our war-ridden minds we can't see how a being would allow themselves to be subjected to something like that. But it seems like the ET's who are benevolent have a very much "hands off" kind of approach. Almost paranoid to start any kind of reaction good or bad. Think about what happened in a Star Trek episode when one of the crew got jumped and held captive, did they start shooting their way in & out? Nope. Second the "stick" Dr Reed used was more of a log that could knock out any human let alone a 4ft tall skinny little being. The simple fact a story is outrageous doesn't negate the possibility of it being real, life is way more wild then fiction.

Are you talking about the ufowatchdog evidence? If so, I ask how they faked the class ring at his desk photo and where is the evidence that can prove that? An ebay record of buying the class ring, something? What about all of his evidence? That still doesn't explain how this "fraud" can come up with such Hollywood effect caliber models either. Most of the "evidence" contrary to his claimed identity as Dr. Jonathan Reed is all hearsay from what I can tell.

[norman]

hi all.

5 years ago I was 'blissfully' unaware of any of this sort of stuff and it's only quite recently that I've even heard of the 'Dr JR' case. All the case evidence and all the debunking evidence has hit me all at the same time. It's very intense stuff, on both sides. 'Somebody' is fabricating a lie - and putting a LOT of effort into it.

I'm compelled by all this ferocity against him to go with my gut feeling. It's true!. It's exactly the same feeling I had at the very beginning of my awakening to this whole alien/ufo reality thing when I downloaded a file, by accident, from a file sharing network and first saw with my eyes the photographic images of the document called SOM1-01. I'm sure most of you know the one I mean.

I used be very much into B/W photography and have watched/felt thousands of images 'appear' before my eyes in a developing dish. When I saw the SOM1-01 images for the first time I had a very deep and profound feeling that what I was looking at was absolutely real. As I struggled to read the grainy pages I was shocked and within hours I was even terrified. My whole world-view had taken a 'broadside'. ( still haven't really got over it )

Amongst other convincing factors, Jonathan Reed's account of his experience in the woods resonates with me. He was utterly stunned. And then add to that, what it would feel like, if you'd just murdered someone in a surprise and sudden fight, you were the only person in the world who knew about it and you were struggling to believe it yourself.

As for the debunkers, well. We know, don't we?, that the whole UFOLOGY scene is an information war zone. It's well saturated with 'mechanics' and compromised sheep dogs. As for individuals, I can't say, and if I could, I wouldn't. If disclosure IS on the cards, and 'they' retain control over it, it'll be a disclosure that guides the flock in a predetermined direction of travel. We could all discuss/argue what 'we-think' 'they-think' long into the early hours but 'disclosure' probably means different things to different people.

Don't count on these indications that they are preparing us for news that 'other intelligent life is out there' to lead all the way to FULL disclosure. Ain't gonna happen!. Not THIS side of a total transformation of human life on the planet. Example, I know that Chinese people exist, (please excuse me, if you're Chinese) I've met quite a few of them, they're all over the planet, I can have a perfectly normal chat with my friends about them but I don't know their secrets, least of all their government's secrets or any possible cross-fertilisation between their secrets and 'my' government's secrets.

More to the point, if, before my government had even admitted that anyone other than British subjects existed, I whacked a Russian on the side of the head and chucked him in my freezer,........... think! The secrecy bureaucracy has the same problems as the rest.

Yes, of course I believe Dr Jonathan Reed. Book sales or no book sales. If I believed the mechanics I don't think I would believe any of this stuff at all.

But I do, and because I do, It stands to reason, in my mind, that the rabbit holes go very very deep. After all, I now realise that I've lived my whole life under a deception. We live in a cognitively decapitated society. That took some doing.

norman.

[orionsbelt]

Never met Jonathan Reed.

The photo of the "alien" appears to be exactly the same as a known authentic "alien". If the photos are faked, they did a very very good job of copying from an original source.

Nothing more to say on this. Don't give a hoot what people believe or do not believe. Don't give a hoot what Kerry or other's think they have a "right" to know.

This is not relevent to living and happiness for today.

[Orion Morris]

Going with his story...

This ET travels all the way across the galaxy to vaporize a dog before meeting a sudden end at the hands of a guy with a big stick??

That alone doesn't jive. I believe stranger things have happened....
I'd like to believe it... But there is WAY too much evidence that this guy is a fraud.

This right here is the reason that this story is a lie...
How can you possibly believe that a dog chased down an alien only to get vaporized??? Then this alien who parked his hovering space craft near by proceeds to get in a stick fight with somebody??? He just vaporized a dog?? Then physicaly allowes someone to beat him to death???

ya right

Plus who in their right mind would take it home and video tape it before they reported it...

If I or anybody I know ever found an alien body I would freak out and drive right down to the corender and sherifs department to show them... I would tell as many people as possible as fast as I could... In order to eleminate a cover up...

Its not hard to fake pictures... or video...

[Steve_A]

Hi King Lear,

Idon't know of the case personally, but I did a check and found two sites. One saying that the story was true but to find out details you had to buy the Video:

"Dr Jonathon Reeds extraordinary STORY ofan extra-terrestrial encounter"

http://www.odisealink.com/

and this site which has some rather interesting photographs of Dr. Reed in hiding:

http://www.ufowatchdog.com/exposed40.html

As meeting and recording the moment of that meeting between a human being and extra-terrestrial would change the way we would live on the face of this planet, I'm sure the media would have picked up on this by now.
Unfortunately there are people out there who make unfounded claims, and even worse, there are many more who accept these claims without questioning them.

I think I will write a book about my meeting with seven extra-terrestrial babes. That should sell...

Best regards,

Steve


Is it true or a fake?

[Shakesbeer]

Its not hard to fake pictures... or video...
Oh really? Please then, re-produce for us equal quality shots of an alien creature and "obelisk" like Dr. Reed then.

I seriously have worked in prop & mold making too in the realm of the Hollywood effects masters(at & out of a place called Monsters in Motion). Even had some of the people who worked on Star Wars, LOTR, Spiderman, Terminator 3, critique my work with resounding praise. Even THOSE guys would have difficulty reproducing that alien with all the things that where demonstrated on film in real time with no cuts.

In the very least demonstrate that Dr. Reed or any of his associates can produce models to the caliber shown in his photos and video or hired someone to do it.

Steve, I believe the the contents of ufowatchdog have been address in the thread already and on Dr. Reed's on lecture update. Not sure if you looked into that? If you have, then aren't you essentially doing the same thing you're claiming the people who have a differing opinion then you are doing?

[trainedobserver]

Reed was debunked and discredited some years ago. Someone has already posted the references.

[Shakesbeer]

Reed was debunked and discredited some years ago. Someone has already posted the references.

Those "discrediting" bits of information where specifically addressed in a lecture update, not to mention even if he's lying about his identity, no one seems to answer how he "faked" it do they?

I think it's funny the skeptics call hear say when they see the lecture update but they don't say the same thing about the guys who allegedly knew Dr. Reed by the other name according to ufowatchdog do they?

If you debunkers want to "debunk" anything I suggest you look at the "how" this "hoax" was done then. Not with hear say, but with hard evidence tying this man to some kind of fabrication source for all of the submitted extra terrestrial evidence.

[pilot]

I had never heard of this case before today, and so I watched the whole series of youtube videos of the presentation and at first it was interesting and outrageous enough to keep me watching, then it started to feel like a very elaborate con job...it's the people involved on the film that I got this weird vibe from, esp. the Jonathan Reed guy. He twice displayed grammatical errors that were inconsistent with a PhD. It may have been nerves, but the gal from that yahoo group asked him a question and his answer included the word "broughted" instead of "brought". OK? She seemed to unnerve him, not her question which was fairly innocuous. He visibly squirmed.

Time wasted. I wonder who's behind this ****?

[Kay Wilkinson]

I believe Dr. Reed's story to be authentic, all of it. His girlfriend's murder and his best friend being beat half to death reminds me of what John Lear said about family and friends and (pets) will be harmed if they talk. I would leave the country too if I were he. This man had a nice life before all this took place.
All the effort to debunk this story seems as though "they protesteth too much."

I believe King Lear and the others who agree with him are dead on it.

Peace
K

[NOWIAM]

Does anyone know what happened to Dr. Reed and his associates (such as Daniel Iaria, Dan McEvoy and others which are on the following YouTube links)?

BTW: The evidence seems to be in favor of Dr. Reed's story being true. That is if you actually take the time and compare the following two different and multi-part video series, such as http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kuMrKX2vdfE&feature=related and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLU4qSjyMiA, with what is posted on the debunking websites, such as http://www.ufowatchdog.com/exposed10.html


Of course if there is irrefutable evidence that I am unaware of then please show me.

:original:

[goody8504]

http://www.ufowatchdog.com/exposed10.html
Ampgod

this site also claims richard hoagland, steven greer, and billy meier are a frauds....seriously? that site is a joke

[goody8504]

This right here is the reason that this story is a lie...
How can you possibly believe that a dog chased down an alien only to get vaporized??? Then this alien who parked his hovering space craft near by proceeds to get in a stick fight with somebody??? He just vaporized a dog?? Then physicaly allowes someone to beat him to death???

ya right

Plus who in their right mind would take it home and video tape it before they reported it...

If I or anybody I know ever found an alien body I would freak out and drive right down to the corender and sherifs department to show them... I would tell as many people as possible as fast as I could... In order to eleminate a cover up...

Its not hard to fake pictures... or video...

you should do a little more research. in the youtube i saw, reed claims it was more like the suit grabbed onto the dog, not the alien. reed used a stick, keeping well over an arms length away from the ET.

secondly, he wasn't beaten to death, merely knocked out for awhile.

finally, just because YOU would contact the authorities immediately doesn't mean everybody should be expected to do the same. you'd better believe if i ever had the option of recording an ET it's the very first thing i'd do. calling the "authorities" would be the last thing on my mind.

[goody8504]

I'm sure the media would have picked up on this by now.
Steve

why should the media jump on this story? they haven't jumped on anybody else's. i'm getting the impressino you actually believe we live in a country with a free press....obviously, we don't. after all, i haven't seen any shows on tv debunking this guy. maybe i missed it

[RSF]

Hi all,
I'd suppose if the man's name was not Reed and he's not a Psychologist as he claimed at the time then there's reason to doubt the story is accurate and possibly untrue. The location of the injury on the back of supposed ebe's head does not make sense to me as Reed's swinging the wood right-handed and even if swung left handed -- he claimed the ebe was facing him when he struck it. So it just seems to me the injury would be far more frontal.

I have not read the book but did notice during the 18 part presentation on YT, it's not him which mentions the NSA or the first visit by Govt Officials or the Dept of Energy's involvement, but his entourage, Ifind this curious. The blinking eyes need a closer look from someone specialized in digital imaging. Lastly, I had the sense he was looking through a standard one-eye viewfinder while throwing-up in the woods, yet the "Obelisk" image stays in the frame. How could anyone throw-up and hold and image seen only through a view finder?

80/20 its a fabrication in my opinion.

RSF

[Shakesbeer]

sounds like more speculation, especially about his identity since no one has disproved that (including ufowatchdog). The wound on the ET's head was on the left rear quarter of the skulls which would be consistent with a right handed swing or a backhanded left swing. Sorry, don't think you solved this case...

[norman]

Shakesbeer,

I posted on this thread a few days ago that I believe that Dr Jonathan Reed is telling the truth. (I also prattled on about other stuff)

Soon after I woke up this morning a thought popped into my head about the video evidence that was presented at the 'update' presentation.

It's about the 'malfunction' of his video camera while in close proximity to the black 'craft' thing. I'm 'bothered' by the fact that the sound track slows down (drops in frequency) during the bits where the picture flickers.

For that to occur during 'playback' it would have to have speeded up during 'recording'. While that is a possibility, the sound of his voice during playback has the characteristic qualities of having been 'snagged' during playback. That too is a possibility but it would contradict what the commentator at the time was actually saying about it.

HMMM! I don't know what to think just at the moment. Perhaps you could have a think about it yourself and let me know what you think later.

norman.

[Shakesbeer]

The theory that was posed on both videos was that there was magnetic or energetic interference which I would suspect has something to do with the erratic tape behavior. Seeing how the force that causes the distortion is unknown, and there isn't a way to test it, it's kind of hard to judge the recording by conventional methods. Even if you could reproduce that effect, that's still not saying that's how it was done, and that still doesn't explain how he'd be able to hoax the creature itself.

[Orion Morris]

hoaxing the creature or the spaceship wouldnt be that hard for somebody who knows what their doing...

look at all the sci fi movies... somebody made those...

[Shakesbeer]

hoaxing the creature or the spaceship wouldnt be that hard for somebody who knows what their doing...

look at all the sci fi movies... somebody made those...

Dude, did you not see my prior post about prop making? I've literally had conversations on how to create 3D effects with some of the best prop-makers in the world. These people have made extremely life-like biological things (such as Blade 2 autopsy scene for instance), so yes I am very aware of that. Even those people would have a seriously hard time reproducing "Freddy".

I would not however call making that caliber of model easy or not "that hard" as you put it. If that's the case, try it yourself. I do have a fair amount of knowledge on the subject and I know I couldn't reproduce that easily (if at all) & I do know how to make molds and use resins/plastics.

That being said, where is the evidence that links Dr. Reed to anyone who could have pulled that off or evidence that he has enough knowledge to fake that?

I'm sorry, making that alien is NOT "easy" or "simple" or anything skeptics like to throw out without actually knowing what they're talking about. To think that this guy somehow managed to make a full functioning extra terrestrial model as a hobbie in his garage on nights & weekends is even more dubious then the original story.

[Orion Morris]

I just cant buy the story...

Beating up aliens that have the power to vaporize animals....

With a stick???

Nobody else saw the alien???

He is SELLING VIDEO EVIDENCE.... if he was seriously playing with et I doubt that he would have to sell his evidence....

How is it that he had time to perform an autopsy on an alien and not even call anybody...

Who the f**k would go to sleep with a real alien in their house before ever informing the news????

total ****

[RSF]

After doing a wee-bit more searching I came across this:

Seattle UFO Paranormal Group's information and Report on Jonathan Reed:
http://www.seattlechatclub.org/Reed.html

Dunno for sure people but know enough that this kind of stuff (JR supposed encounter (garbage)), helps ruin real reports about real EBE/UFO events by People.

RSF

[Shakesbeer]

Isn't that link essentially the same thing Ufowatchdog put out? Doesn't it essentially end at the same place minus the amount of pics Ufowatchdog put up? Does it answer any of the "how" questions? Nope...

So if he's hoaxing, it has to be the best one of all time that's for sure.

Orion, I know I sure as hell wouldn't say anything to the government after all the stories we've heard. The press? Not unless I had a direct contact that I knew I could trust. So to answer your question, who would keep an ET without telling the world first thing -raises hand-

I know if it was me, I'd publish the news myself or not say a damn thing at all lest I be called a liar and have a new identity thrust upon me by disinfo agents... But if I'm not mistaking, Dr. Reed's case would have feel under that time it was decreed illegal by congress for any US citizen to speak with ETs (http://www.weeklyuniverse.com/etlaw.htm).

[RSF]

Isn't that link essentially the same thing Ufowatchdog put out? Doesn't it essentially end at the same place minus the amount of pics Ufowatchdog put up? Does it answer any of the "how" questions? Nope...

So if he's hoaxing, it has to be the best one of all time that's for sure.

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Hi, I believe ufowatchdog's service was in separating the real from unreal reports, etc.. where evidence was available.
To this day I don't believe their activity was strictly to debunk all things ebe/ufoS.
What I presented to our members was information that may help in their exploration of what truth may be left to concur or deny this guy's (Reed ?)'s claim.

As for my opinion: Nothing about his presented report & evidence stands anywhere close to any cases of CE3 experiences less fictional writings, & deliberately fictional writings for profit that I'm aware of.

I'm not expert on this subject, but I do look for consistencies in these types of cases and see nothing on this-one that fit's with the CE3 satire of hundreds of cases out there. In my opinion this guy never bothered to study the more commonly known and reported generalities re ebeS.

To be more explicit, that "1997" -- 2002 case would have been stifling Greer's Press Club affair if there even a chance it stood up to such breakdown specifics as üfowatchdogs report.

RSF

[goody8504]

To be more explicit, that "1997" -- 2002 case would have been stifling Greer's Press Club affair if there even a chance it stood up to such breakdown specifics as üfowatchdogs report.


the disclosure project is specifically meant for people who have been in the military, intelligence, corporate, etc community, not child psychologists

[RSF]

the disclosure project is specifically meant for people who have been in the military, intelligence, corporate, etc community, not child psychologists
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Oh.. I din't know Greer was a Miltary man.

[Shakesbeer]

RSF - I can totally understand how many people would think this a fake (and true for that matter) it's a wild story to say the least. I also think it's cool that counterpoints be brought up (like ufowatchdog) because whatever the truth may be, it'll present itself despite lies eventually, and it's good for discussion of possibility. The one thing I've noticed that seems to be at the heart of the matter in the assessments of the actions of others like in Dr. Reed's case? The lack of understanding a human's heart. Maybe that's just how he does things? Maybe he just believes that everyone should pay him for this information now, especially if it's true that he got beat and friends & family messed up too? Maybe he's just using a marketing that is proven to work a bit at least & he wants to travel the world and tell his story now for his job. I've also noticed there isn't many openly "rich" ufologists or contactees are there? It would seem one of the best off is probably David Icke and & he sells his information about politics & history that has at least a large amount of confirmable truth in them. So does that discredit him now too because he charges and has a business plan? Nope...

Either way, I know I sure hope that this case proves to be 100% true. It resonates so well as a true story way better then a convoluted hoax (who made the ET damn it!? ;) )

[RSF]

Shakesbeer, Seems he or his book or account didn't stand the test of time.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_Reed

Are we here just to argue a belief ? Or learn where the truth may be? I can say my interest has always been the latter.

RSF

[Shakesbeer]

From Wiki:

Jonathan Reed was Davey Hansen's close friend in the Lutheran stop action animation cartoon Davey and Goliath.

As an African-American he was perhaps the first African-American character to appear in a television cartoon, and one of the first African-American characters to appear as a friend of a television show's (white) lead character. [1]

His father was a pharmacist. Jonathan's race only became an issue in the episode, Different. [2] [3] His character was voiced by Hal Smith. [4]


So what does that prove? he doesn't have a wikipedia link? yay?

Or are you saying Dr. Reed is in fact an African American claymation character...if so I'm not sure I agree with you there ;)

I'm not "arguing" anything, I'm just asking a couple of questions and apparently frustrating the hell out of a few people :thumb_yello:

[RSF]

From Wiki:

Jonathan Reed was Davey Hansen's close friend in the Lutheran stop action animation cartoon Davey and Goliath.

As an African-American he was perhaps the first African-American character to appear in a television cartoon, and one of the first African-American characters to appear as a friend of a television show's (white) lead character. [1]

His father was a pharmacist. Jonathan's race only became an issue in the episode, Different. [2] [3] His character was voiced by Hal Smith. [4]


So what does that prove? he doesn't have a wikipedia link? yay?

Or are you saying Dr. Reed is in fact an African American claymation character...if so I'm not sure I agree with you there ;)

I'm not "arguing" anything, I'm just asking a couple of questions and apparently frustrating the hell out of a few people :thumb_yello:

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Hey all,

but yes "frustrating" you too, Shakesbeer. Do you really think the story is true, or perhaps just making an argument about the possibility makes it non-bogus?
I'm not going to get into my experience in the field but will suggest to you that if the story like that w/all the pics/vid and voltage by accepted ufologists suddenly go's dead.. what could that mean between 02--08? I had written earlier some sample points of possible contention or most certainly reasoning to question the whole deal.
There's a blog which announces from the very group he and his two co-horts tried to persuade (18 part presentation), which states though they were taken at the time, it's better to stop continuation of the fraud, rather than allow it to continue...

Dunno, seems respectful to me. Suggest you consider looking for it as I found it yesterday. It satisfied my earlier though -- bogus report, bogus book.

RSF

[Shakesbeer]

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but yes "frustrating" you too, Shakesbeer. Do you really think the story is true, or perhaps just making an argument about the possibility makes it non-bogus?
I'm not going to get into my experience in the field but will suggest to you that if the story like that w/all the pics/vid and voltage by accepted ufologists suddenly go's dead..

Do I believe it? I believe the possibility that it might be true, is that good enough for you? I'm sorry, skeptics you guys aren't presenting actual evidence, at least not at a higher caliber then they contend it is. It's no more "solid" then Dr. Reed's proof to the opposite.

Then can you answer how he made the ET then?

I always hear ufologist rattle off their list of cases they've worked on, books they've published, movies they've worked on, but here we are, essentially the same place we where 20 years ago from what I gather. So come off of the "I'm Mr. Experience and can't be wrong" stuff like it seems ufologists like to play in a field with very little hard evidence & even less public impact over the years. You don't need to do to that for me to respect you & your opinion don't worry.

So are you saying because you've worked on other cases, and you believe this to be fake, it is?

Books go out of print too you know, and his website is still active with videos available for purchase (http://www.odisealink.com/products.htm)

Tell me how he did it then...that's what I want to know if it's a hoax. I haven't heard one person speculate as to how he could pull that off other then "Oh it's easy.." which it is in fact not, as you know how critical and thorough some ufologists can be let a lone producing fake evidence that's convincing.

oh and I'm sorry if I frustrated you, but rest assure, I'm chipper and as non-frustrated about this as a human can be :thumb_yello:

[King Lear]

Do I believe it? I believe the possibility that it might be true, is that good enough for you? I'm sorry, skeptics you guys aren't presenting actual evidence, at least not at a higher caliber then they contend it is. It's no more "solid" then Dr. Reed's proof to the opposite.

Then can you answer how he made the ET then?

I always hear ufologist rattle off their list of cases they've worked on, books they've published, movies they've worked on, but here we are, essentially the same place we where 20 years ago from what I gather. So come off of the "I'm Mr. Experience and can't be wrong" stuff like it seems ufologists like to play in a field with very little hard evidence & even less public impact over the years. You don't need to do to that for me to respect you & your opinion don't worry.

So are you saying because you've worked on other cases, and you believe this to be fake, it is?

Books go out of print too you know, and his website is still active with videos available for purchase (http://www.odisealink.com/products.htm)

Tell me how he did it then...that's what I want to know if it's a hoax. I haven't heard one person speculate as to how he could pull that off other then "Oh it's easy.." which it is in fact not, as you know how critical and thorough some ufologists can be let a lone producing fake evidence that's convincing.

oh and I'm sorry if I frustrated you, but rest assure, I'm chipper and as non-frustrated about this as a human can be :thumb_yello:

well said Shakesbeer



And what about his destroyed house? I saw it.
Is a hoax all this effort worth?

[RSF]

well said Shakesbeer



And what about his destroyed house? I saw it.
Is a hoax all this effort worth?

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What's YOUR problem Sir? "Well Said..." what the F_____ are talking about ??

You visted the house ??? When -- where, the address if you please !!

[joe2288]

:lmao: wow that is got to be one of the most bs stories ive ever heard it didnt even sound real

[RSF]

Do I believe it? I believe the possibility that it might be true, is that good enough for you? I'm sorry, skeptics you guys aren't presenting actual evidence, at least not at a higher caliber then they contend it is. It's no more "solid" then Dr. Reed's proof to the opposite.

Then can you answer how he made the ET then?

I always hear ufologist rattle off their list of cases they've worked on, books they've published, movies they've worked on, but here we are, essentially the same place we where 20 years ago from what I gather. So come off of the "I'm Mr. Experience and can't be wrong" stuff like it seems ufologists like to play in a field with very little hard evidence & even less public impact over the years. You don't need to do to that for me to respect you & your opinion don't worry.

So are you saying because you've worked on other cases, and you believe this to be fake, it is?

Books go out of print too you know, and his website is still active with videos available for purchase (http://www.odisealink.com/products.htm)

Tell me how he did it then...that's what I want to know if it's a hoax. I haven't heard one person speculate as to how he could pull that off other then "Oh it's easy.." which it is in fact not, as you know how critical and thorough some ufologists can be let a lone producing fake evidence that's convincing.

oh and I'm sorry if I frustrated you, but rest assure, I'm chipper and as non-frustrated about this as a human can be :thumb_yello:


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Whoa.. slow down a wee-bit. If you want to fight -- take it outside.
RSF

[Shakesbeer]

RSF - fight? Not sure what you're talking about there buddy. Once again I'm just making observations & asking questions.

[Kay Wilkinson]

I believe this to be a true story. Just my 2 cents worth.
peace

[Shakesbeer]

I recently paid a visit to my mold-making/model painting/prop fabricating friend & showed him the Reed case. He brought up an interesting point on how the neck moved. From the lo-res web video it doesn't seem like the skin around the neck has much elasticity & pivots a bit peculiar. Now I can't say I know what a real ET's anatomy is & functions like, but skin should still flex. I haven't had much time after that night to look into it more myself, but he said he'll be investigating it further as well.

[371]

I recently paid a visit to my mold-making/model painting/prop fabricating friend & showed him the Reed case. He brought up an interesting point on how the neck moved. From the lo-res web video it doesn't seem like the skin around the neck has much elasticity & pivots a bit peculiar. Now I can't say I know what a real ET's anatomy is & functions like, but skin should still flex. I haven't had much time after that night to look into it more myself, but he said he'll be investigating it further as well.

Yeah I've noticed that myself. That neck is still as a board, in some pics the neck looks much longer than others.

To ME: it's an obvious (though well-attempted) fake.

To others, it may not be so clearcut. I could be wrong but I don't believe I am in this case.

[goody8504]

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Oh.. I din't know Greer was a Miltary man.

you do realize dr greer is the man who started the disclosure project right? he's not one of the actual witnesses. he is responsible for the strategic planning in order to get this into the public arena while, at the same time, protecting the witnesses who have been brave enough to testify. and i gotta say, he's done a bang up job.

[RSF]

Greer's gear is still greer. We're talking about the rEED symposium on this chat. Dunno what the truth is and certainly don't posseess the push on the fake rEED story. I say fake only as nothing about it, gloves, foot-wear and skull design matches anything past that I have researched.


Think it's great people are saying yes instead of no. Just that I feel it deserves the NO Column -- OK?

RSF

[RSF]

RSF - fight? Not sure what you're talking about there buddy. Once again I'm just making observations & asking questions.

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Cool, keep asking those questions. I do too.

RSF

[StarSeed1947]

I met Dr. Reed at a conference and spent a lot of time talking to him.
He is TELLING THE TRUTH!

He deserves A LOT more respect for coming forward to share his amazing experience.
I admire him for opening himself up to this ridicule and harassment so that we will know the TRUTH.

[RSF]

StarSeed1947, Hi there. Just wondering when and where you met the Man?
edit: ..and when?
RSF

[ABHA]

It is quite unfortunate to see so many links to a CIA owned and operated website on these forums. Seems whenever someone wants to "debunk" a case, they link to ufowatchdog.

wow ill second that, its thorough to be skeptical about the debunker's too.
They erased his identity! Something happened, personally i believe:tongue2:
cool

[StarSeed1947]

StarSeed1947, Hi there. Just wondering when and where you met the Man?
edit: ..and when?
RSF

In 2001 at a San Diego UFO meeting.

[Jake D.]

Hi guys and girls...i found this interesting vid on youtube about "Mr Reed" and his alien in the fridge.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=niqH-7CN8zk

So what do you think? :original:

[odisealinker]

Hi guys and girls...i found this interesting vid on youtube about "Mr Reed" and his alien in the fridge.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=niqH-7CN8zk

So what do you think? :original:

I am Odisealinker from Youtube. I also am not Dr. Reed.
Hopefully for those who are truly concerned with the Truth
you can then get a very good idea at how much disinformation
and blatant lies, as well as TOTAL DISREGARD FOR THE TRUTH
you will have to go through when dealing with a case of this magnitude.
If you go through some of my videos on youtube you will see me commenting
to members to get in touch with Dr. Reed at DrReedLink@aol.com.
That should be one clue that I am not Him.
Take care.

[Jake D.]

I am Odisealinker from Youtube. I also am not Dr. Reed.
Hopefully for those who are truly concerned with the Truth
you can then get a very good idea at how much disinformation
and blatant lies, as well as TOTAL DISREGARD FOR THE TRUTH
you will have to go through when dealing with a case of this magnitude.
If you go through some of my videos on youtube you will see me commenting
to members to get in touch with Dr. Reed at DrReedLink@aol.com.
That should be one clue that I am not Him.
Take care.

And this should be a clue That "Dr Reed" is actually J. Bradley Rutter AKA Odisealinker :)

http://i33.tinypic.com/2zs4t5h.jpg
http://lucianarchy.proboards21.com/index.cgi?board=information&action=display&thread=3093&page=15#142886
http://www.networksolutions.com/whois/results.jsp?domain=odisealink.com and if you want to get in touch with Rutter AKA Odisealinker here is the email jbrmrm@aol.com

Take care and and watch out for frauds like Rutter.