The Bibles Signs in our Sky

[Gale]

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2006/06/images/060619-rainbow-fire_big.jpg

Something Wonder Full (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=1NqL9Ez4hLU)


There is a lot of disinformation about these "Fire Rainbows" on the net. They started showing up about 10 years ago and are NOT rare. I have seen three so far this year.
They can appear at many sun angles and are NOT just seen around a solstice. Note also that the moon now has a COLOR rainbow effect around it at times too. Also that the sun has at times a full circle around it in color too. They are NOT in any of the old textbooks about the atmosphere over ten years ago either.

Norval
Gale

[SpeedAdict]

Hi Gale nice to talk to you again..

As you can see, i live in Venezuela, North of South America.. I have a few good ones of this type of beautifull fenomena in my city.. Remember that in the Ecuator zone they are very rare..

But What you mean with sign of the bible my friend???? :sad:
Something bad related to that phenomena??

Peace..:thumb_yello:

[Norval]

There are many odd and strange new phenomena that have been appearing in our skies for about
the last decade that have never been seen before. We find this very interesting in that the bible
mentions "signs in the heavens", just prior to the return of Jesus, which can be anything over your
head. There are many new rainbow like effects now being seen.

http://epod.usra.edu/archive/images/main_co_circumzenithal_arc_20080309_0920.jpg

Look through the archives here for more interesting photos.
http://epod.usra.edu/archive.php3

[JesterTerrestrial]

Is that a chem trail in the background?

[ifeelthefear]

H.A.A.R.P at its finest

[SpeedAdict]

There are many odd and strange new phenomena that have been appearing in our skies for about
the last decade that have never been seen before. We find this very interesting in that the bible
mentions "signs in the heavens", just prior to the return of Jesus, which can be anything over your
head. There are many new rainbow like effects now being seen.

http://epod.usra.edu/archive/images/main_co_circumzenithal_arc_20080309_0920.jpg

Look through the archives here for more interesting photos.
http://epod.usra.edu/archive.php3

Hi Norval.. A pleasure to receive some input from you.. I apreciated a lot men.. Really..

Thanks for the asnwers and for the pics, i have a very nice ones, but i dont know how to paste pics in this forum jejejejeje (In English is a litle more difficult than spanish)

Again thanx a lot for sharing men. Keep up!:thumb_yello:

[THE eXchanger]

haarp inverts rainbows---so, since these are NOT inverted

THEY ARE AWESOME :)

THANK YOU
for sharing them

i often have double rainbows here

(would sure love some advise
on what type of camera to get
to shoot both night skies/
and, things at a distance like an eagle in sky)

any suggestions

i saw these fire rainbows in tibet in 1986

susan
the eXchanger

[SpeedAdict]

Hi Exchanger.. A pleasure to talk to you..

Well if i understand right what you ask, my pics was taken with my
Pentax K10D (10 Mpix) with a 300mm Pentax tele-objective lens. ISO 400, and the shutter speed set to auto..

The pics was taken in a sunset around 5:30 - 5:50 pm. To be honest, here in my city, there is very common this phenomena and have the name "CREPUSCULO" (U can google it and read about it)

I would like to share them, but i dont know how to paste pictures in this forum.. SORRY for that dumb of my part..

Peace and light my frind.:original:

[Norval]

Iridescent Clouds Near Ørsta, Norway EPOD from 06-06-2008

http://epod.usra.edu/archive/images/main_atmircltree110206.jpg


Rainbow Strip EPOD from 05-07-2008

http://epod.usra.edu/archive/images/main_dsc_1066.jpg


Lunar Corona from Mauna Kea EPOD from 05-26-2008

http://epod.usra.edu/archive/images/main_2007-12-23-moon-halo-04-blog.jpg

Not only are there these odd rainbow like effects now being seen there are other phenomena too.
We will be exploring all of these in this thread about what the bible calls "signs in the heavens". While it is known what causes these rainbow effects, "they" don't and won't talk about when they
started to appear. :naughty:

[THE eXchanger]

This is a "round" rainbow

Love
Susan
The eXchanger

[JesterTerrestrial]

Norval...great photos...thanks :thumb_yello:

[THE eXchanger]

NORVAL...my eyes are playing tricks i think on me

I keep tripping/on the last one in the series of 3
you just posted

How many rings ???

and, what are the colours ???

(i think i need an eye-check) :mfr_lol:

i believe, i see something unique here
related to the colours, and, sequences

love/susan
the eXchanger

[beauwalton@rocketmail.com]

http://bp3.blogger.com/_OhaHEeWqYU0/SAND5NMmgMI/AAAAAAAAAQk/0btsytSuCuk/s1600-h/_44565657_sun466.jpg%5DView%20ImageView Image (http://bp3.blogger.com/_OhaHEeWqYU0/SAND5NMmgMI/AAAAAAAAAQk/0btsytSuCuk/s1600-h/_44565657_sun466.jpg)

Hey guy's here is a sun halo. How do you insert an image?



Mod Edit: It appears that the site where the image is hosted, does not support direct linking.

[LadyGolfer]

Hi Norval, just wanted to say that on Saturday I went out on my deck to see something very similar to the image you posted except what I observed had 2 sundogs...one on each side of the inverted arc. My camera didn't have batteries so I was unable to take a picture...and believe me I wanted a pic! It was so unusual and amazing to look at that I called my daughter outside to observe it. Later that day my other daughter called to tell me she observed the exact same thing where she lives. It was a beautiful sight to see. :biggrin2:

[SpeedAdict]

a test of uploading a picture..

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd246/SpeedAdict_bucket/IMGP2616.jpg

Lets see..:sweatdrop:

[beauwalton@rocketmail.com]

How did you do that?

[SpeedAdict]

ajajaaaa i learn already.. Here we go!!

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd246/SpeedAdict_bucket/IMGP1.jpg
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd246/SpeedAdict_bucket/IMGP2.jpg
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd246/SpeedAdict_bucket/IMGP3.jpg
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd246/SpeedAdict_bucket/IMGP4.jpg

That day was the first time i had spoted that phenomena in the West of my city so grab my camera, change the lenses to telephoto and took a bunch.. I have to many, this ones are the better ones..

Enjoy if you like it! :thumb_yello:

[SpeedAdict]

How did you do that?

Hi Walton

Look.. If you already have a data base of pics on the net, like photobucket, metacafe, etc (there are many)

Just follow this simple steps

http://projectavalon.net/forum/faq.php?faq=vb3_user_profile#faq_vb3_albums

I tested and work just Fine!! :thumb_yello:
Hope that help u in that way my friend..
Peace.

[gatestar]

This was taken from a cel phone a year ago September, my birthday. I was on my way to a birthday dinner when we stopped for gas. As I looked to the east over the city I saw this odd rainbow. It only lasted for about 2 minutes.



http://i330.photobucket.com/albums/l424/gatestar9999/CAPC6LLF.jpg

[PTTurboe]

This is all HAARP... Wake up people...

[arcora]

This is all HAARP... Wake up people...

The Bible doesn't say anything about the source of the signs...Just that they would be here.

Wake up from what?

[Gale]

http://www.espo.nasa.gov/crystalface/conv_fltpln.gif


In 2002 the US government pulled the wool over the eyes of approx. 450 scientists that they rushed to Florida for an investigation called Crystal-Face. They were investigating anvil clouds, the atmosphere effect and the ice crystal content. One investigator defaced his report with “Is this real” in bold lettering across the last page of his report. Unbeknownst to them, they were actually tracking incoming craft from deep space that caused the formation of the anvil cloud. The small puff of a cloud on the flattop of the anvil indicated the direction the craft went.

Welcome to the NASA Earth Science Mission, CRYSTAL-FACE (http://www.espo.nasa.gov/crystalface/index.html)
CRYSTAL-FACE Pre-Mission Presentations (http://www.espo.nasa.gov/crystalface/prepresentations.html)
Manus and Nauru Island Ground Information 05/01/02, Gerald Mace

:mfr_omg:
See for yourself.

[fairangel]

All these pics are from chemtrails/Haarp. There are many theories about them, but the bottom line is that the skies are being sprayed by high altitude planes, and aluminum, barium, other heavy metals, fibrous material, bacteria, molds, and Lord knows what else are being used for military purposes, supposedly "global warming", and to spread disease and lower your immunity. There is no question that they pose dangers to us, critters, planet life, and our soil and water. All official statements are denial that these are "nothing but contrails". I am not saying they aren't Bible signs, this is what they are. Protect yourself by working on your immune systems!! Stay inside on heavy spray days.

Though the rainbows look interesting, these are chemicals you are seeing. About a month ago, my neighbors house was struck by lightning during a huge storm, and afterwards one of these rainbows hung right over his house.

The PTB are working hard to get rid of the "useless eaters". This is essentially biological warfare perpetrated in most parts of the world.

Peace all and be safe.

[Greg10036]

There is a lot of disinformation about these "Fire Rainbows" on the net. They started showing up about 10 years ago and are NOT rare. I have seen three so far this year.
They can appear at many sun angles and are NOT just seen around a solstice. Note also that the moon now has a COLOR rainbow effect around it at times too. Also that the sun has at times a full circle around it in color too. They are NOT in any of the old textbooks about the atmosphere over ten years ago either.

Norval
Gale

Very interesting. I saw one of these five days ago, due west, in the early morning sky. Was wondring what to call them. The one I saw looked exactly like the one in the pic you provide buy was oriented due north. Made me smile. Good way to start the day.
g.

[Gale]

Where is all that water is going from the melting polar caps? The ocean water levels are dropping not raising as according to popular belief. Check out some of the small islands in our oceans, and see what the inhabitants are saying about gaining land from receding water levels.
:thumb_yello:

[Operator]

Where is all that water is going from the melting polar caps? The ocean water levels are dropping not raising as according to popular belief. Check out some of the small islands in our oceans, and see what the inhabitants are saying about gaining land from receding water levels.
:thumb_yello:

Hi,

Well I am living on an island. Unfortunately not since very long (almost 5 years) so I cannot tell if there are big differences.
I recently saw a picture in a newspaper that a certain restaurant came closer and closer to the sea. It suggests
that either the sea level is rising or that the beach could be disappearing there (due to currents).

The reason why some of us connected this with HAARP is that it creates the same effect as Aurora Borealis.
Aurora Borealis is a natural phenomena on our poles (weaker magnetic field) and has to do with sun activity.
However this is not the natural period for it, that is normally at solar spot max. I think.
But currently our sun (and galaxy) is influenced by dust and material from the Galactic plane.
On top of that, earth's magnetic field is weakening ...

Is this where you are heading .... ?
About the retracting water ... are you heading to hollow earth theory ?

Well, these are some of my suggestions but I guess you have either the answers or maybe a more solid theory.

I am anxious to hear about it.

Cheers

[warngen]

http://www.espo.nasa.gov/crystalface/conv_fltpln.gif


In 2002 the US government pulled the wool over the eyes of approx. 450 scientists that they rushed to Florida for an investigation called Crystal-Face. They were investigating anvil clouds, the atmosphere effect and the ice crystal content. One investigator defaced his report with “Is this real” in bold lettering across the last page of his report. Unbeknownst to them, they were actually tracking incoming craft from deep space that caused the formation of the anvil cloud. The small puff of a cloud on the flattop of the anvil indicated the direction the craft went.

Welcome to the NASA Earth Science Mission, CRYSTAL-FACE (http://www.espo.nasa.gov/crystalface/index.html)
CRYSTAL-FACE Pre-Mission Presentations (http://www.espo.nasa.gov/crystalface/prepresentations.html)
Manus and Nauru Island Ground Information 05/01/02, Gerald Mace

:mfr_omg:
See for yourself.

lol gale...what are you talking about....
the anvil is caused from the winds in the upper atmosphere that "blow the top" of the thunderstorm in the direction that the storm is moving...the anvil points in the direction the storm is moving...
the thing at the top is called an overshooting top..this occurs with vigorous updrafts that punch through the troposphere....
do more studying in meteorology..:mfr_lol:

[Gale]

warngen, a look at Crystal-Face should help you with your meteorology.

[Norval]

test

http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/picture.php?albumid=115&pictureid=3581

[Norval]

Above is the image from this link (http://bp3.blogger.com/_OhaHEeWqYU0/SAND5NMmgMI/AAAAAAAAAQk/0btsytSuCuk/s1600-h/_44565657_sun466.jpg) put up by Beau, from page 1 post #13.

Thanks Carol for trying to get it up here. :original:

[Gale]

http://epod.usra.edu/archive/images/main_wolkjes_003.jpg
EPOD 11-10-2004 (http://epod.usra.edu/archive/epodviewer.php3?oid=217280)

A couple of weeks prior to this image being put up on EPOD, we were wishing we could see a crater chain appear here on Earth without damage. The forums were useless for getting information out to people; the agents were all over us. Crater chains were a repeated signal that even SETI ignored. Crater chains satisfied all of SETI’s protocols.
Norval and I were almost ready to throw in the towel when EPOD put up this image of a crater chain in the clouds. We haven’t seen another one like this since. Have any of you reading here seen any pictures like this or have any pictures like this of clouds with holes in them?
:thumb_yello:

[indakaz]

I am an avid chemtrail watcher/filmer, these are definately chemtrail related. I see them all the time in victoria bc after heavy spraying.

[Dantheman62]

Where is all that water is going from the melting polar caps? The ocean water levels are dropping not raising as according to popular belief. Check out some of the small islands in our oceans, and see what the inhabitants are saying about gaining land from receding water levels.
:thumb_yello:
That's not true, you can google earth on some of the smaller islands over by Guam, and some of the Marshall Islands, and it tells how people are losing so much land due to rising water that they will soon have to leave if it continues. I'm not sure which ones exactly but saw and read about them couple weeks ago.

[carcharodon]

how do we differentiate between rainbows caused by such weapons and rainbows caused thru increased sun activity?

[Swamisalami]

That's not true, you can google earth on some of the smaller islands over by Guam, and some of the Marshall Islands, and it tells how people are losing so much land due to rising water that they will soon have to leave if it continues. I'm not sure which ones exactly but saw and read about them couple weeks ago.

Or the land is sinking into the water. We know this phenomena down here in the lowlands.

[Gale]

http://epod.usra.edu/archive/images/main_holecld.jpg
Hole in Cloud Mystery (http://epod.usra.edu/archive/epodviewer.php3?oid=99360)

Hi indakaz,
I have seen some pretty heavy crisscrossing patterns, I have stood outside watching and these holes in the clouds are a different thing.

Hi Dantheman62,
It is true, look a little deeper. I did a search this morning for the information on the water receding and I came across this article about TUVALU (http://www.tuvaluislands.com/news/archives/2007/2007-01-04.htm). The governments know the water level is receding.

Hi carcharodon,
The sun activity is in a low cycle of the 11-year activity and just started a new 22-year magnetic cycle (http://csep10.phys.utk.edu/astr162/lect/sun/magnetic.html). If I recall correctly, harrp was caught on the weather radar zapping a hurricane either last year or the year before, I saw the images on CNN.

Hi Swamisalami,
I think it is also what the ground is made of, look at Florida for example it is as holey as a sponge, with new sink holes all the time. That article mentions, “New Orleans and the Louisiana coast” too. You in the Netherlands would be a good person to ask about lowlands. :mfr_lol: sorry couldn’t help myself.

The chain of holes in the clouds was a phenomenon that I was hoping others had some more images of.

:thumb_yello:

[Dantheman62]

Sorry Gale, again it's not true, I did look alittle deeper and found the islands I was talking about. The Carteret Islands, just east of Papua New Guinea. There is a Youtube video on it and a big G on it on Google Earth version 4.3. The people there are desperate and the situation is getting worse, they've piled up rocks and shells and such to try to keep the water back but to no avail. So what do we do? I believe my info. and you believe your info., hmmm maybe have a chilli cook-off! LOL! See ya, Dan... P.S. I make good chilli!

[beauwalton@rocketmail.com]

Sorry Gale, again it's not true, I did look alittle deeper and found the islands I was talking about. The Carteret Islands, just east of Papua New Guinea. There is a Youtube video on it and a big G on it on Google Earth version 4.3. The people there are desperate and the situation is getting worse, they've piled up rocks and shells and such to try to keep the water back but to no avail. So what do we do? I believe my info. and you believe your info., hmmm maybe have a chilli cook-off! LOL! See ya, Dan... P.S. I make good chilli!
I don't know if this help's?
Doomed island's in the Pacific (http://gazbom.blogspot.com/2008/06/kiribati-likely-doomed-by-climate.html)

[Dantheman62]

I don't know if this help's?
Doomed island's in the Pacific (http://gazbom.blogspot.com/2008/06/kiribati-likely-doomed-by-climate.html)
Yeah man that's what I'm talking about, their soil is getting ruined by seawater and they are running out of land. Thanks for the link! P.S. I LIKE YOUR QUOTE!

[warngen]

They are called hole punch clouds. Here's a link to the info.

http://www.crh.noaa.gov/grb/?n=holepunch

[Brinty]

May I suggest that if anyone looks up the word "parhelion" in a dictionary, they will discover that there is nothing new under the sun. It's been known about for hundreds of years. :wall:

[Norval]

Many of these effects are quite new to scientists, or why would they be talking about them and so
many now questioning them? Is it possible that they cant read dictionaries, or for that mater their
own text books in their studies?

Thank you for all your inputs, and while some may say these have been around for hundreds of
years, you have to ask yourself why then are scientists and all of us going OOoohhh WOW I've
never seen one of those before. :shocked:

Now when did people start to see these? Not very long ago. Thats the point.

http://epod.usra.edu/archive/images/main_iridescent_waves.jpg

[Brinty]

I suggest that it is only since UFOs were brought to public attention by Kenneth Arnold back in 1947, that more people started looking at the sky - including scientists. Astronomers peering through telescopes are not interested in clouds of any shape or size provided they don't block their view.
Certainly more odd cloud formations have been reported in recent years because more people are looking up to the heavens due to the feeling of doom and gloom that is being generated by the publicity given to "the end of the world in 2012" scenario. Couple that with the biblical prophecies in the Book of Revelations, and you have people tripping over their own feet with their heads back searching for "signs in the sky."
I know, been there done that and I've got the scars to prove it. :lol3:

[warngen]

I suggest that it is only since UFOs were brought to public attention by Kenneth Arnold back in 1947, that more people started looking at the sky - including scientists. Astronomers peering through telescopes are not interested in clouds of any shape or size provided they don't block their view.
Certainly more odd cloud formations have been reported in recent years because more people are looking up to the heavens due to the feeling of doom and gloom that is being generated by the publicity given to "the end of the world in 2012" scenario. Couple that with the biblical prophecies in the Book of Revelations, and you have people tripping over their own feet with their heads back searching for "signs in the sky."
I know, been there done that and I've got the scars to prove it. :lol3:

RIGHT!:thumb_yello:

[Antaletriangle]

Noctilucent clouds have always been around-when the sun lights up the ionosphere when all else is dark the last rays of the sun over the curvature of the earth.Diffraction occurs in the ice particles in the clouds-hence beautiful rainbows and ribbons.There's lots to meteorology-In the land of the blind the one eyed man is king.

[Norval]

Brinty,
This is misdirection and misinformation.
"I suggest that it is only since UFOs were brought to public attention by Kenneth Arnold back in
1947, that more people started looking at the sky - including scientists."
For those that have done their own research, not just reading what someone else has to say about
someone else's research, know that this has been in the "public awareness", including scientists,
for decades and even centuries before that event.

This is pure misdirection.
"Astronomers peering through telescopes are not interested in clouds of any shape or size
provided they don't block their view."
It is the meteorologists that have the records of strange cloud formations and the rainbow effects,
not astronomers. Care to show us all from the old text books and records what they saw or didn't
see and make reports about?

Again, more misinformation and misdirection.
"Certainly more odd cloud formations have been reported in recent years because more people
are looking up to the heavens due to the feeling of doom and gloom that is being generated by the
publicity given to "the end of the world in 2012" scenario."
It's not the peoples reports but the scientists reports that will show when these odd cloud
formations started showing up. As for the bible predictions, you will find more "signs" listed in
other bible books than you will in Revelations.

Thanks for the humorous depiction of stumblers, with such an admission by yourself too. :lmao:

Warngen
WRONG :thumbdown: As you, I like getting right to the point. :original:

Anta,
"Noctilucent clouds"
NLCs (my initials) have not been brought up as a sign of the bible. We are still getting information
about when those were first seen. To my understanding, they are not iridescent, nor do they have
a rainbow like effect, but are mostly blue. Thank you for bringing them up though. :original:

http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2003/images/strangeclouds/ISS_NLC2_feathered_med.jpg

From here, http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2003/19feb_nlc.htm

[Brinty]

Well Norval, I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree. :hammer: BUT!!! I think one thing we will both agree on is the old expression that you can lead a horse to water but you cant make it drink. :doh:

[Norval]

Then that horse will die thirsty, won't it? :lmao:

[Truth voice 2012]

Hey everyone.

I took these photos earlier today in Limerick, Ireland.

I noticed a lot of planes flying over every few mins. They were also traveling way faster than ordinary commercial aircraft but at a similar altittude.

I dont know if these are anything important but I said Id post em for yere analysis.

http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/picture.php?albumid=401&pictureid=3762
http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/picture.php?albumid=401&pictureid=3761
http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/picture.php?albumid=401&pictureid=3766
http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/picture.php?albumid=401&pictureid=3769
http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/picture.php?albumid=401&pictureid=3765
http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/picture.php?albumid=401&pictureid=3764
http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/picture.php?albumid=401&pictureid=3771

[Brinty]

Then that horse will die thirsty, won't it? :lmao:

Sorrty Norval but I have to disagree with you. :nono: A horse will drink when it's thirsty - not when a man thinks it should. :drink_nl:

[Jonah]

Nice one Brinty.

Some people should learn to take there own advice!

[warngen]

lets just face it everyone....Norval is ALWAYS right and theres no one on this earth that can argue with him. why? simply because he is all knowing on any topic he brings up. He is the ultimate researcher and possesses ultimate knowledge!. I bow down to you Norval. What shall I do to serve thy highness?
Please, enlighten me on all of your great knowledge, especially about meteorology. Ive only been studying it for 6 years, but my studies and knowledge does in no way compare to yours, since you were spontaneously given supreme knowledge on every topic. I need help in one particular topic in meteorology. Here is my question.

A thunderstorm approaching from the northwest creates a visible lightning stroke. There is a 5 m/s wind from the southeast blowing into the storm, and the temperature is 30*C. If you hear thunder 10s after seeing the lightning, how far away was the stroke? Please give the answer in km.
Im sure that if I know the answer, than you should to.
Thanks for your superior intergalactic knowledge that is un-surpassable.

[Dantheman62]

Ah, lets see,hmmm, ah, hmmm, ah, well, hmmm, my little tiny uneducated guess is, hmmm, well I'll let norval handle it.

[warngen]

Ah, lets see,hmmm, ah, hmmm, ah, well, hmmm, my little tiny uneducated guess is, hmmm, well I'll let norval handle it.

:original::naughty::lmao::lmfao::mfr_lol::lol3::wi nk2::tongue2:

[Swamisalami]

Brinty,

For those that have done their own research, not just reading what someone else has to say about
someone else's research, know that this has been in the "public awareness", including scientists,
for decades and even centuries before that event.


Them Dutch guys are looking in the sky for centuries.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_telescopes

[100thmonkey]

Here is some more data on these Auroras along with a word on why they have only recently started to be picked up on:

http://www.thunderbolts.info/tpod/2004/arch/040908circuit.htm

http://www.thunderbolts.info/tpod/2004/arch/040910electric-earth.htm

[beauwalton@rocketmail.com]

I suggest that it is only since UFOs were brought to public attention by Kenneth Arnold back in 1947, that more people started looking at the sky - including scientists. Astronomers peering through telescopes are not interested in clouds of any shape or size provided they don't block their view.
Certainly more odd cloud formations have been reported in recent years because more people are looking up to the heavens due to the feeling of doom and gloom that is being generated by the publicity given to "the end of the world in 2012" scenario. Couple that with the biblical prophecies in the Book of Revelations, and you have people tripping over their own feet with their heads back searching for "signs in the sky."
I know, been there done that and I've got the scars to prove it. :lol3:
G'day Brinty Sir, how are you, I have a link here that might help your horse to a glass of Guiness!
Did thoes bad ET's Norval's allways going on about kill almost half of mankind with the black death? (http://www.earthfiles.com/news.php?ID=1462&category=Environment) :wink2: (ROUND ABOUT 1350 AD)

[Swamisalami]

G'day Brinty Sir, how are you, I have a link here that might help your horse to a glass of Guiness!
Did thoes bad ET's Norval's allways going on about kill almost half of mankind with the black death? (http://www.earthfiles.com/news.php?ID=1462&category=Environment) :wink2: (ROUND ABOUT 1350 AD)

That book they mention on this site; The Gods of Eden by William Bramley is one heck of an eyeopener. Read it twice and going for a third time.......

[beauwalton@rocketmail.com]

That book they mention on this site; The Gods of Eden by William Bramley is one heck of an eyeopener. Read it twice and going for a third time.......
You are a dark horse Swami! A well read dark horse!

[Swamisalami]

Arrow by arrow, Beau........Shouldn't shoot them all at once. A lack of ammo can kill you......

[100thmonkey]

G'day Brinty Sir, how are you, I have a link here that might help your horse to a glass of Guiness!
Did thoes bad ET's Norval's allways going on about kill almost half of mankind with the black death? (http://www.earthfiles.com/news.php?ID=1462&category=Environment) :wink2: (ROUND ABOUT 1350 AD)That's a very cool link. :original:

[beauwalton@rocketmail.com]

That's a very cool link. :original:
Why thank you, old friend!

[Norval]

Bobbi was doing some research this morning and came up with these articles about sea levels that
you may find interesting.

"A serious problem confronts any researcher who looks into the question of tides and sea levels,
especially in a search for that elusive concept known as "mean sea level," (MSL) or "Zero Point
of the Sea" (as Captain Sir James Clark Ross, the 19th century British Antarctic explorer, called
it."
http://web.archive.org/web/20050221093319/http://www.greeningearthsociety.org/Articles/2000/sea.htm

And,

"The ocean floor has got on average older and gone down and so the sea level has also fallen,"
said Bernhard Steinberger at the Geological Survey of Norway, one of five authors of a report in
the journal Science.

"The trend will continue," he told Reuters.
http://www.reuters.com/article/environmentNews/idUSL0636899020080306?feedType=RSS&feedName=environmentNews&rpc=22&sp=true


Warngen,
Thank you for the kind accolades. :original:
As an old sailor / boater of some 50+ years, I still trust my local news weather person, don't
you? Now as for your question, I have to ask, it's relevance to the thread is what? Or, are we just
seeing another aspect of thread manipulation with the motive and intent of this known tactic; "If
you can't attack the material, then attack the person posting it." I think it is quite well known I
never finished high school, thus there are no "credentials" to discredit.

While Gale and myself are getting pretty good at identifying who's who on these forums there are
others now using the same methods we do that are getting pretty good also. This too being a sign
of the times. Remarkably, another aspect is the usage of our languages and wording that just
doesn’t reflect having grown up in areas where other words would be much more normal;
hermanudics, or the "flavor" of the language comes to mind.

Another "sign in the sky's" are the crash landing UFOs of these losers of that heavenly war in our
solar system. Then there are those that are still flying around our planet and solar system to also
be acknowledge, as most of us have that post here. Knowing that these craft that have been in
our sky's since like forever, thousands of years, are ET craft for a fact, and in our more modern
times it is quite possible that we have some of our own.

[Enlightenme]

Here is a rainbow effect that I caught one day last winter where I live in the Toronto area. As you can see, the sun is to the right and it is early in the day, the sun is rising.

[Dantheman62]

OSLO (Reuters) - Sea levels are set to fall over millions of years, making the current rise blamed on climate change a brief interruption of an ancient geological trend, scientists said on Thursday.(MAKING THE CURRENT RISE BLAMED ON CLIMATE CHANGE)!:tongue2:

[zorgon]

Where is all that water is going from the melting polar caps?


Do this experiment because you won't just take my word for it... and we all know the scientists lie to us :bleh:

Go to your refrigerator and get ice cubes... put them in a glass then fill it to the brim so that the ice floats above the rim..

Let it melt...

Does the glass overflow? Or is the level now BELOW the rim?


Ice EXPANDS when it freezes. therefor as the ice MELTS the level DECREASES

The ice floating in the water displaces water... and fills the space with ice...

When that ice melts the 'hole' fills with water. As Ice takes more space than the water it displaces...

Guess what? NO INCREASE IN SEA LEVEL

Do they not teach basic science in schools these days? :roftl:

[zorgon]

H.A.A.R.P at its finest

Really? So you understand how HAARP works then? Or is this a theory?

Well here is one that ought to get ya... T-Rex in all his glory

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Earth/Clouds/Ed-Kreminski1.jpg

[norman]

Hi Gale and Norval,

I'm interested to know where you are going with this sea level thing.

I don't think we should get stranded with this - is it going up? or is it going down? thing. IMO it's probably doing both but in different parts of the world, due to magnetic changes.

So where is all the water going? that's what I want to know. you've got my attention.

norman. :shocked:

[Dantheman62]

Whatever, I'm finished with this thread, just tell the people in the Cataret Islands that it's all a hoax.

[Swamisalami]

Do this experiment because you won't just take my word for it... and we all know the scientists lie to us :bleh:

Go to your refrigerator and get ice cubes... put them in a glass then fill it to the brim so that the ice floats above the rim..

Let it melt...

Does the glass overflow? Or is the level now BELOW the rim?


Ice EXPANDS when it freezes. therefor as the ice MELTS the level DECREASES

The ice floating in the water displaces water... and fills the space with ice...

When that ice melts the 'hole' fills with water. As Ice takes more space than the water it displaces...

Guess what? NO INCREASE IN SEA LEVEL

Do they not teach basic science in schools these days? :roftl:

This is the case when ice is floating in water. What about Greenland then? I thought the ice in Greenland lays on land, what if that melts? Then there would be a lot of water coming into the oceans which is sweet water. The salinity of the water changes and gets colder. Already the conveyor belt
is slowing down which could bring a new iceage.........

http://www.iceagenow.com/Growing_Glaciers.htm

[zorgon]

I thought the ice in Greenland lays on land, what if that melts?

Now that's weird... what happened to my other post?

Guess I will have to do it over ARRGGGGGG

Yes the ice on Greenland is on land... so is the Ice on Antarctica... so is the ice in the Himalayan Mountain glaciers which are all melting at increase rate.

Yes THIS ice would raise sea levels, but we were talking sea ice before :bleh:

Yes this would change salinity... a side effect of that is that some ships would sink because their buoyancy is based on current salt water conditions

The SUN is getting warmer... Notice on the graph below the 1400-1600 dip that corresponds to the Mini Ice Age of the Medieval times

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/47john_lear/04images/Seas/Sun_Temp_01.png

Global Temperatue Chart 2500 BC to Present

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/47john_lear/04images/Seas/2065311545_2abdf79551.jpg

The chart above does not really need any words, it is pretty self explanatory. Though we should do whatever we can to eliminate pollution and take care of our environment, the chart shows that Global warming and cooling will go on with or without mankind's involvement

415,000 Year Temperature Graph

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/47john_lear/04images/Seas/415k-year-temp-graph.jpg

This graph is drawn from the data gathered from the Vostok ice core samples and, unlike the tree ring data, is scientifically sound and uncontroversial. Looking at the above graph, there have been six periods in the last 415,000 years when global temperature exceeded today’s temperature by as much as nine degrees. 10,000 years ago, the global temperature was five degrees higher than today.


No in case that the sea levels really do rise to the same levels they were the last time all the ice melted... if you live in any of the following areas you may wish to learn to tread water... or buy a boat :tongue2:


Ancient Sea Levels North America, Cretaceous

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/47john_lear/04images/Seas/wis-map2.jpg

Ancient Sea levels North America, Jurassic

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/47john_lear/04images/Seas/jurassic_seaway_900.jpg


Here are a couple world maps..

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/47john_lear/04images/Seas/paleomap_Cret.jpg

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/47john_lear/04images/Seas/Paleomap_Quat.jpg


Still looking for a good ancient sea level map for Europe

[zorgon]

Well okay you want signs in the sky?

I have a great collection... {and added more from this thread, thanks :thumb_yello: )

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Earth/Clouds/Iridescence_Cloud_010.jpg

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Earth/Clouds/Iridescent_Clouds_20070906_1.jpg

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Earth/Clouds/Iridescent_Clouds_20070906_6a.jpg

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Earth/Clouds/Iridescence_Cloud_014.jpg

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Earth/Clouds/Iridescence_Cloud_004a.jpg

[zorgon]

Noctilucent Clouds

This one is looking back at you :shocked:

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Earth/Clouds/Petersen1.jpg

[Brinty]

Do this experiment because you won't just take my word for it... and we all know the scientists lie to us :bleh:

Go to your refrigerator and get ice cubes... put them in a glass then fill it to the brim so that the ice floats above the rim..

Let it melt...

Does the glass overflow? Or is the level now BELOW the rim?


Ice EXPANDS when it freezes. therefor as the ice MELTS the level DECREASES

The ice floating in the water displaces water... and fills the space with ice...

When that ice melts the 'hole' fills with water. As Ice takes more space than the water it displaces...

Guess what? NO INCREASE IN SEA LEVEL

Do they not teach basic science in schools these days? :roftl:

You are spot on Zorgon. If all the ice at the north pole melts, sea level won't rise because the ice is floating on water.

BUT! it is quite a different story at the south pole where Antarctica is a continent with ice cover that can be kilometers thick.

So, if that ice melts, you better either move to higher ground, or learn to breath under water. :original:

[zorgon]

Though the rainbows look interesting, these are chemicals you are seeing.

You are absolutely right!!!!:shocked: These rainbows are formed by a heavy concentration of Dihyrogen Oxide... I can prove that... :thumb_yello:

[Norval]

Such pretty "iridescent" clouds, thank you Zorgon, but as they are asking about what they have to
do with and why, I guess I should explain?

What was the earth like before the flood? Yes, covered in clouds. We were protected from
radiation by this water in the form of clouds. After the flood gates of the "heavens" were opened
and the rains stopped we had no clouds as before. Besides our life spans dropped drastically.

Our thoughts are that we are seeing these new rainbow like effects because of much more water
in our atmosphere these past couple of decades. The water is evaporating into our atmosphere
causing these new rainbow effects. There yah all have it.

[Brinty]

Such pretty "iridescent" clouds, thank you Zorgon, but as they are asking about what they have to
do with and why, I guess I should explain?

What was the earth like before the flood? Yes, covered in clouds. We were protected from
radiation by this water in the form of clouds. After the flood gates of the "heavens" were opened
and the rains stopped we had no clouds as before. Besides our life spans dropped drastically.

Our thoughts are that we are seeing these new rainbow like effects because of much more water
in our atmosphere these past couple of decades. The water is evaporating into our atmosphere
causing these new rainbow effects. There yah all have it.

I have personally been of the opinion that before the flood there was either never any rain, or there was perpetual cloud cover. My reasoning was that God was supposed to have put a rainbow in the sky as a covenant that he wouldn't bring on another flood.

Leaving that theory to one side, that rainbow must have been a first. We all know that sunlight refracts in water droplets giving us a rainbow. (As an interesting aside, everybody sees a different rainbow). At the end of the flood there was obviously water droplets in the air so the only new thing happening at that time was uninterrupted sunshine.

[Norval]

yer learning, , grins

[Swamisalami]

???

[Norval]

Swami,
If, possible, can you find a picture of what it would look like with the oceans receding by 50 - 100 meters
and post that?
Thank you.

[Swamisalami]

Europe during the ice-age 100.000 to 10.000 years ago. Waterlevel 100 meter below present-day level.

405

Europe 20.000 years ago. Waterlevel more than 100 meters below present-day level

406

[Norval]

Hey Swami, great, thank you.
Hope we can find a global one too. :thumb_yello:

[Patrick]

have a nice day.
edited for off topic

pso

[zorgon]

lets just face it everyone....Norval is ALWAYS right and theres no one on this earth that can argue with him. .

Hmmmm sounds like a challenge :tongue2:

PS That avatar of yours scares my kitty:shocked:

[zorgon]

how do we differentiate between rainbows caused by such weapons and rainbows caused thru increased sun activity?

eXchanger mentioned reverse colors... Interesting theory need to look into that.

[zorgon]

That's not true, you can google earth on some of the smaller islands over by Guam, and some of the Marshall Islands, and it tells how people are losing so much land due to rising water that they will soon have to leave if it continues. I'm not sure which ones exactly but saw and read about them couple weeks ago.

Marshall Islands? Hmmm I would be suspicious about that... considering whats on the Marshall Islands :wink2: I can think of other reasons people are leaving

[zorgon]

That article mentions, “New Orleans and the Louisiana coast” too.

Oh yeah THAT place..

The Swirling Vortex of Doom...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4Of8cm0kS8


The chain of holes in the clouds was a phenomenon that I was hoping others had some more images of.

Nope I have lots of holes in clouds but that is the first chain I have seen

Here is one taken from ISS

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Earth/Clouds/donut-cloud.jpg

[zorgon]

Yeah man that's what I'm talking about, their soil is getting ruined by seawater and they are running out of land. Thanks for the link! P.S. I LIKE YOUR QUOTE!

Its all a ruse... The government needs all those islands for secret launch platforms

Johnston Atoll...

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/47john_lear/04images/Johnston_Atoll/Johnston_Atoll_Med.jpg

If you look on goggle it seems deserted... trust me its NOT

This is whats on Kwajalien and all the islands in the chain

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/45jack_files/04images/Kwajalein/RTS_main_sm.jpg

[zorgon]

Norval and I were almost ready to throw in the towel when EPOD put up this image of a crater chain in the clouds. We haven’t seen another one like this since. Have any of you reading here seen any pictures like this or have any pictures like this of clouds with holes in them?



The only other Dissipation trails I could find are these two...

http://www.dewbow.co.uk/glows/dis02m.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2004/2726073292_ed96a794e1.jpg?v=0

You will like this one...

http://cloudappreciationsociety.org/version2/wp-content/uploads/2006/07/blair_heald_high.jpg

http://contrailscience.com/wp-content/uploads/hole-cloud-8-19-2007.jpg

[zorgon]

What was the earth like before the flood? Yes, covered in clouds. We were protected from
radiation by this water in the form of clouds.

Yes like Venus is today :mfr_omg:

Norval you would know this... Is there a reference in the Bible that after the flood it was the first tme the stars were seen? I read this 35 years ago but cannot remember if it was in the Bible, the Apochrypha or another work... I have asked several but no result... Seeing as you believe in the cloud cover... maybe you have the source of the star comment?

[Brinty]

Oh yeah THAT place..

The Swirling Vortex of Doom...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4Of8cm0kS8



Nope I have lots of holes in clouds but that is the first chain I have seen

Here is one taken from ISS

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Earth/Clouds/donut-cloud.jpg

That's not a cloud with a hole in it - that's a hole with a cloud in it. :lmao:

[Norval]

A bit off topic, but, yes Zorgon, it is known to me. So far my data base search has turned up
nothing specific. In other words no direct statement of that being the case. Probably like many
known facts of the bibles message it is based on what else is said that is taken into context of the
topic being researched.

Hope that helps. Some of our ancient manuscripts are not in our computer searchable data bases. :thumb_yello:

[Norval]

Zorgon,
Funny thing about Venus's cloud covering. Scientists state that it is because of earth's
magnetic field we keep our atmosphere from being blown away by the solar wind.

Venus has a far denser atmosphere, is closer to the solar wind, and no magnetic field to
speak of. :mfr_omg:

[beanny]

NOTICE the male face bang in the midst of the chain in clouds photo....?
large eyes of a thinking mind...
nose,
high cheeckbones,
heavy eyebrows,
possible beard...long with heavy moustache too....

very vivid once you spot it
?
?
?
?

[Norval]

Any one have a clue as to how many crashed small UFOs have been hushed up since the 1850s? Now this is something Zorgon may know?

[Gale]

There was a researcher that had, probably still has online, ufo sightings mapped from the 1800’s and earlier up to the present.

[Norval]

That may be of some help, , thank you Gale.

[Norval]

Many of these signs have been i our skys for thousands of years.

Check out this video.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1691006210339557136&hl=en

[sfth13]

Here's a story I found from 1865 about a trapper that saw something crash and what he found was a stone driven into the side of the mountain that had small compartments and Hieroglyhics written on it. I'm not sure if this is the info you were looking for Norval

http://ufologie.net/htm/cadotte64.htm

[sfth13]

here's a list of crashes from the same website, to many crashes to count

http://ufologie.net/htm/crashes.htm

[Norval]

here's a list of crashes from the same website, to many crashes to count

http://ufologie.net/htm/crashes.htm

Yes, , , Thank you!

There was another famous crash that took out a large part of a town and the train that was sitting there. Hope they have that one.

[fitzy3400]

Hey,
I saw this weird shaped cloud the other day and snapped a pic of it with the camera on my phone. it looks like a twist towards the middle of the photo, kind of like a bow tie or a double helix from DNA.

http://projectavalon.net/forum/picture.php?albumid=451&pictureid=4396

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[Gale]

http://epod.usra.edu/archive/images/main_sexy_cloud_spain_05.jpg
This strange looking lenticular wave cloud, EPOD from 08-31-2005 (http://epod.usra.edu/archive/epodviewer.php3?oid=263200)

There are the lenticular clouds that stay stationary over an area for days, while clouds pass it by, stationary despite the airflow and winds. There are the lenticular clouds that have been observed going the opposite direction to the prevailing winds.