The NWO, ETs, the economy, and Obama

[Eli in MI]

I'm not scared of a One World Government. How do you think the ETs made it this far? By fighting amongst themselves? No. They cooperated with each other to establish their planets' social structures and ideals.

By lurking around a bit, I feel like I'm one of the few here who support Barack Obama's leadership. Here is a man who is risking his life daily, who already has more respect around the world than Bush ever did, and yet almost no one here can believe in him? I think he has a real opportunity to help repair this world. He is selfless enough and prudent enough to convince the hearts and minds of the people of this world to work together to help ourselves.

Nationalize the banks and the Federal Reserve and drop interest rates to zero forever. If we need a new constitutional convention, fine. If we need ameros, fine. With so many stated intentions of staying "positive", we cannot look on these new ideas in a negative way. Just look and see the possibilities of joining the galactic community, finally. The only way to join is to unite as one people on one planet, and to take baby steps to make things a little bit better.

We have the technology to manufacture goods that last forever. Qualilty Control, aka greed, keeps our multinational corporations from marketing these products. Imagine a New Deal-style program to design electric cars that last forever. Or refrigerators or dishwashers. Windmills. Anything and everything! I wouldn't mind our government making laws and taking over the "free" markets to promote real, lasting technology instead of endless consumption.

Do it now. Create the jobs to make it happen, and sell these products around the world as the last phase of capitalism. Then eventually give the technology away. In the meantime, raise global awareness about our severe overpopulation problem, and take action to peacefully limit our numbers by educating children effectively instead of indoctrinating them with false religions and economic and ethnic stereotypes. Teach everyone the truth of the new Aquarian age, the metaphorical stories of our religions, and the history of space.

We can ask the ETs to help us, but they will not help unless we help ourselves first.

Please consider Obama's task. He is a black man with a with an "evil" sounding name who is running for President of the United States, a nation with a rich history of slavery and bigotry. He gets hundreds of death threats daily, and yet he and his family trust us with his life. Here is a man who is trying to help us, but we have to accept him for who he is. We have to look at him as a man who has to beat the system in order to win. It's not easy being a black man named Barack Hussein Obama, up against racism, threats of violence, the Clinton brand, Karl Rove politics, Diebold voting machines, a global economic crisis of Biblical proportions, and the (former) most respected bipartisan in the Senate.

He has to play it cool. He cannot be too different. He cannot tip his hand to anyone. It's all about votes right now. Learn about the Overton Window (http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/7/1/1344/78358). We have to change our politics first, our leaders' jobs are to follow, and we must allow them that. And perceptions are changing. Look at the polls lately. Barring another (false flag) terrorist attack, he is set up for a landslide win.

But he needs support from everyone, including you. It HAS to be a landslide to really change things. Look what happens when the election is close; they steal it from us. Obama has lawyers in place at polling places nationwide. He knows the score. The PTB cannot steal this one if we are organized in record numbers.

Is there a better way to change other peoples' (and the ETs') perceptions of America than by electing this man? Can we agree that we need to work together forever with ALL the nations of this orb?

[sananman]

Even if you are idealistic, that is one excellent post :thumb_yello:

[Eli in MI]

Even if you are idealistic, that is one excellent post :thumb_yello:

Thanks. I am idealistic. I don't think there's anything wrong with that, as it applies to the big picture. We simply have to accept baby steps toward our ideals, instead of being an idealist (ie. Ron Paul) who will only accept the highest ideals (ie. end the Fed now).

It's blind optimism that clouds judgment. That's what I'm trying to avoid. Perhaps Obama will end up a jerk, too, but I don't think so. If you listen to him closely, there are coded messages. He states he will "change the way banks control Washington". Is that really very different from Ron Paul's plan?

It is hope that I'm clinging to. Hope for something better. I don't expect anything to change overnight, but at least Obama (for me) represents hope for a positive change. And hope for disclosure.

[Pomguymguy]

Great Thread - We just have no idea of how much we have been held back in so many areas of our lives - it came across in the Zeitgeist film - Whatever your personal opinion of the film is - it is though provoking - to say the least.

Use that knowlege to actually SEE for probably the first time in centuries, that we will at last become the people we were put on this planet to be.

Look how we have "advanced" in the last 50 years - without knowing!

The next few years will be very interesting.....:yikes:

[Eli in MI]

The next few years will be very interesting.....:yikes:

Interesting to say the least! I loved the Zeitgeist movies. I suppose a portion of the Addendum contributed to my original thoughts. I was saddened by the way it portrayed Obama, as just another politician in the pockets of big money. To make assumptions like that, in this, the most exciting and unpredictable time ever on Earth, struck me as irresponsible. It did not ring as true as the rest of those films did. Give the guy a chance. He has to play to win right now, that is the way our archaic two-party system works.

Perhaps he isn't all that great. But it is clear that he is better than McCain, and that is enough for me right now. I don't expect him to be as progressive as he could be until he wins.

It's like living within the dichotomy. First we have to beat the system, then we can dismantle it and build a real one.

[Humble Janitor]

I too am frustrated with the anti-Obama stuff, even on here. I never thought I'd find this **** on this forum and the Project Camelot forum. Normally, I regard such anti-Obama rantings to be cannon fodder for the craigslist crowd or a McCain/Palin rally. ;)

Another thing to note is that McCain and Palin have started to tap into dark energy in hopes that they can use it to influence the election. Obviously, it's not quite working and hopefully, it will not succeed.

While one man cannot fix everything by himself, we have to get the ball rolling somewhere.

[Reunite]

David Icke once said:

'Presidents aren't elected at the ballot,
they are selected by blood'

The illuminati have already picked their puppet

[Reunite]

In case you didn't know Bush & Obama are Cousins

This was reported on CBS News
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ldZS9PL9KE

Another clip worth viewing

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0DoxrNCImI&feature=related

And a bit of light reading on the history of the US Presidents

http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/uspresidentasmasons_1b.htm

[Humble Janitor]

In case you didn't know Bush & Obama are Cousins

This was reported on CBS News
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ldZS9PL9KE

You mean Obama and Cheney. It's not a close relation. What's the big deal then?

[munkey]

I'm not scared of a One World Government. How do you think the ETs made it this far? By fighting amongst themselves? No. They cooperated with each other to establish their planets' social structures and ideals.

Allow me to play Devils advocate here.

What proof is there that ET's have any form of goverment?
the GFOL who forgot to show? the greys who are apparently slaves of the whites?
let us look at what could happen with a one world goverment.
the goverment believes the population is too big, so now we have to limit the number of children we have, not only limit the number of children, but we will only allow people to have children who don't have certain hereditary diseases so as not to be a burden and help keep a healthy human population free of disease.

a one world goverment is a dictatorship where the people are not free eventhough they believe in the illusion of freedom.
how do we vote for his one world goverment, because as long as one man rules over another he will always have the feeling of superiority.
Honestly, you would end up with a slave master scenario no matter how hard you try.

rid the world of all goverments and let people help each other as humans with compassion and not feel as though we need to be ruled by anyone.

[Eli in MI]

Allow me to play Devils advocate here.

What proof is there that ET's have any form of goverment?
the GFOL who forgot to show? the greys who are apparently slaves of the whites?
let us look at what could happen with a one world goverment.
the goverment believes the population is too big, so now we have to limit the number of children we have, not only limit the number of children, but we will only allow people to have children who don't have certain hereditary diseases so as not to be a burden and help keep a healthy human population free of disease.

a one world goverment is a dictatorship where the people are not free eventhough they believe in the illusion of freedom.
how do we vote for his one world goverment, because as long as one man rules over another he will always have the feeling of superiority.
Honestly, you would end up with a slave master scenario no matter how hard you try.

rid the world of all goverments and let people help each other as humans with compassion and not feel as though we need to be ruled by anyone.

As far as ET civilizations having a "government", I'd say the proof is in the pudding. They are still alive, and can utilize technology far in advance of anything we have on Earth. They must be governing themselves fairly well in order to use such powerful tools without destroying each other, which is an understanding we as earthlings must grasp in order to evolve beyond our current situation.

There are lots of variables changing all the time. Indeed, they are changing faster all the time.

My contention is that a one world government need not be a dictatorship at all. It could be a representative democracy (meaning Ron Paul and Dennis Kucinich-types get their representative % of seats in Congress) with internationalized social programs so that earthlings' quality of life can steadily improve.

The population expansion has to slow and stop, there is no skirting that issue. If we do not stop multiplying and consuming, we will continue to create a cancer on this planet. There are not enough resources to continue the path we are currently on without widespread calamity, death, crime, and disease.

I think a big part of the coming shift will be growing awareness of the illusion of death. Death is not real. We are spiritual beings living our dreams in a physical world, and this physical body can stop functioning, but we do not die.

Knowing and experiencing this, we will understand the importance of making our physical lives here as excellent as possible. We will teach our children the truth about the magic within themselves, and we will not mourn our planets' population limits, or our personal sacrifices for the well-being of Mother Earth. Indeed, our own quality of life could improve greatly if there were fewer of physical humans. It may instead be "selfish" to limit our population.

Think of it this way: With the right "one world government" and the right global conscious attitude, we could decrease our population (humanely) over the next 100 years to half its current level, and everything needed to sustain life (food, water, shelter, etc) could be free!

The last 100 years the earth's population has increased 7-fold. This is not such a huge leap to reduce it by half over the next 100. Our families have already gotten smaller, because to have a huge family these days is unsustainable.

To have these ideas come to fruition, we will have reached the understanding that unbridled growth and economic expansion forever does not serve us, and it does not make our lives better.

I urge you to try to look upon our elected leaders not as rulers, but as representatives. This has clearly been done poorly lately, but nonetheless it is their job to represent us, not push their own objectives or line the pockets of their friends.

I can imagine Obama as a good representative for the people in my city, state, country, or planet, that's all I mean. It is clear from polling worldwide that he is the favorite of "foreign" peoples. I wish more folks here on Avalon agreed, and were excited by the possibilities he brings. Not just for middle-class families here in the US, but by restoring respect for America around the world.

And he is our best chance for disclosure. The rest of the planet has been waiting for us to lead on this, and Obama offers the prudence and judgment to respectfully and delicately release the biggest news in human history. We know there are factions of the PTB that want to help heal this planet. Perhaps Obama is their guy. McCain certainly is not.

[MAP]

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[Humble Janitor]

obama will NOT get my vote thats for sure
did you know there are other candidates??
click---> http://www.vote-smart.org/election_president.php


for real check em out.. do your home work

oh and do your homework on your mr obama see his voting record then you might change your mind...
and if doesn't then you just really don't understand.. hes the same as mcbush just a different color man..

You totally missed the point of the last post.

Regardless, you can write in Elmer Fudd or Elvis or even Howard Stern. It will not change a thing.

Until we reform our election system to where 3rd parties have a better role, a vote for a third party candidate, while a good way to stand up for your beliefs, does not really matter if that candidate has no room to capture more than 5% of the vote. H.Ross Perot managed to capture a decent amount of votes as a third party candidate. We haven't seen anyone like that since.

We will never in our lifetimes, meet a politician that 100% agrees with us and even if we do, that candidate may not appeal to the majority of Americans. While I prefer a candidate with more left-leaning principles, we often have to settle for politicians that cater to the moderate voters.

I also find it amazing that people fear Obama more than UFOs or the NWO/Illuminati. A bit silly, eh?

[munkey]

As far as ET civilizations having a "government", I'd say the proof is in the pudding. They are still alive, and can utilize technology far in advance of anything we have on Earth. They must be governing themselves fairly well in order to use such powerful tools without destroying each other, which is an understanding we as earthlings must grasp in order to evolve beyond our current situation.
I would call that speculation rather than fact.
ET's may self govern and live on a higher plane that does not rely on any one governing them, much like an ant colony obides by no rules and exists in harmony


My contention is that a one world government need not be a dictatorship at all. It could be a representative democracy (meaning Ron Paul and Dennis Kucinich-types get their representative % of seats in Congress) with internationalized social programs so that earthlings' quality of life can steadily improve.
China has a population of 1.3 billion so in a democratic election they win and choose communism.

The population expansion has to slow and stop, there is no skirting that issue. If we do not stop multiplying and consuming, we will continue to create a cancer on this planet. There are not enough resources to continue the path we are currently on without widespread calamity, death, crime, and disease.
living on a higher plane we would need far less recources so there would be no crime.



And he is our best chance for disclosure. The rest of the planet has been waiting for us to lead on this, and Obama offers the prudence and judgment to respectfully and delicately release the biggest news in human history. We know there are factions of the PTB that want to help heal this planet. Perhaps Obama is their guy. McCain certainly is not.
Both are puppets and each in there own way will screw you.

[Reunite]

You mean Obama and Cheney. It's not a close relation. What's the big deal then?

I'm not here to sway sides on any political party. My point is most US Presidents are related genealogically to each other and European Royalty.
The ptb interbreed amongst themselves to remain in power.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_Presidents_by_genealogical_r elationship

If you watch the CBS video again it clearly states Obama is Bush's 11th cousin. They are both CFR/Trilateral members working for the same dark agenda.

I'm merely providing an alternative view for you.

Take care

[Eli in MI]

I would call that speculation rather than fact.
ET's may self govern and live on a higher plane that does not rely on any one governing them, much like an ant colony obides by no rules and exists in harmony

[snip]

Both are puppets and each in there own way will screw you.

Your last statement is pure speculation as well. Not that there's anything wrong with that, but you seem to think your ideas are NOT pure speculation. The whole original post is clearly speculation, I never meant for it to be anything but my views of the possibilities.

By the way, China is not a communist country. They are capitalist just like we are, and just as the rest of the developed world. The representative democracy I speculated about eliminates the 2-party, 1-winner system.

What would you suggest? We cannot transform our planet overnight. This is not about resources and governments, but about earthlings' attitudes and belief systems. We cannot self-govern now, that much is clear.

No matter who gets elected president, we will still have a ton of problems and a large government. You seem to prefer to look upon it negatively, whereas I insist on seeing the positive possibilities of an Obama presidency.

I will also still insist that he represents the best chance for eventual disclosure. John McCain does not.

To reunite: I really don't care if Obama is Bush 12th cousin. I'm related to English royalty too. Who cares? Perhaps Obama will be another bad president, but I have decided to set aside my paranoia and listened to him speak instead of just assuming he is a bad man just because he has a chance to win.

To MAP: Trust me, I've done my homework. I know the candidates, and I've chosen the one I like the best, based on his ideas for America. I'm quite familiar with his voting record, and that is one reason why I'm excited. We need change.

[PK47]

It doesn't matter whoever u vote for, president is selected by pupet masters.. voting is just a formality or delusion to make sheeple believe they have freedom to choose their president..
Presidential Voting = fraud!

[Eli in MI]

Presidential Voting = fraud!

Not this time. That is one reason I started this thread. They cannot commit fraud if we are overwhelmingly united behind our best hope for new ideas in government.

Obama needs ALL our votes. They cannot steal the election again if all the polls point to a landslide win. To attempt so would be to expose themselves, and there will be too many people (including Obama's legal team) watching too closely to try anything fishy.

If the polls tighten up, there is a good chance that the Diebold effect will come into play, but if we commit to Obama by wide margins, the PTB cannot try to steal this without risking being caught red-handed.

[msv]

UFOs over Philly during Bruce Springsteen/Obama concert

http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=Qi5Wmby9dSE

[bluestix]

By lurking around a bit, I feel like I'm one of the few here who support Barack Obama's leadership. Here is a man who is risking his life daily, who already has more respect around the world than Bush ever did, and yet almost no one here can believe in him? I think he has a real opportunity to help repair this world. He is selfless enough and prudent enough to convince the hearts and minds of the people of this world to work together to help ourselves.



Wow.

You are pretty naive.

Obama is a NWO puppet.

He is an intelligence agent working under Brzezinski.

He is British and probably MI6.

He is also a crackhead and has The Ghey.


Do your homework.


"It doesn't matter who you vote for, you always vote for us" -- Stalin


TPTB probably think it is hilarious putting a black guy in charge of the slave colony.


The American Express was a slaveship. Now it has a black CEO.

[feeler]

rid the world of all goverments and let people help each other as humans with compassion and not feel as though we need to be ruled by anyone.

Wiretapping, false flag operations, non-stop money printing, lies, and more lies... Enough is enough.

[notkuroda]

Wow.

You are pretty naive.

Obama is a NWO puppet.

He is an intelligence agent working under Brzezinski.

He is British and probably MI6.

He is also a crackhead and has The Ghey.


Do your homework.


"It doesn't matter who you vote for, you always vote for us" -- Stalin


TPTB probably think it is hilarious putting a black guy in charge of the slave colony.


The American Express was a slaveship. Now it has a black CEO.

you just made a complete fool of yourself. That's one of the most ignorant things I've ever read.

[Eli in MI]

Wow.

You are pretty naive.

Obama is a NWO puppet.

He is an intelligence agent working under Brzezinski.

He is British and probably MI6.

He is also a crackhead and has The Ghey.


Do your homework.

[snip]

Gosh. Aren't all black people crackheads? Isn't *every* leader an NWO puppet?

Clearly you're more intrigued by your own opinions than by educating yourself. Do your own homework instead of spouting your opinion as fact, and attempting to insult another as naive when you're merely parroting NWO talking points.

The NWO wants you scared, can't you see that? You're simply repeating the lies they invent to divide and frighten us. It won't work.

How can you be certain he isn't Muslim? Or a black supremacist? Obama is not British, nor is he a spy, but these are clever new lies I hadn't heard before. Read a little tiny bit of Obama's history before you call other people naive. It's well-documented.

Don't worry, if and when Obama wins, people like you will be able to blame him for everything, if that is what you want. Your post makes it abundantly clear you'd rather be snarky and sarcastic than challenge yourself to learn anything new.

Bush has been a horrible role model for this country. It seems no one can ever admit that their ideas might possibly be wrong.

[munkey]

from what I know of US politics,
Obama is all about change, yet he chose a very rigid running mate.
McCain is all about more of the same and chose a bimbo who can see Russia from her back yard.
The naive ones are the ones thinking that there will be change.
Smoke and mirrors once again.

[lotusflower]

Eli in Mi,
I agree with a lot you have said. I also feel that Obama is the way to go. I know a lot of people on the forum believe he is part of the NWO plan but how can you fully believe anything. All the information we have read and heard about can also be disinformation. My question is how do you know what to believe anymore. People keep saying do more research, investigate, read more, learn more...again--how do I know any of this information has any validity? On one side you have David Wilcock saying Obama is a good guy and on the other side people are saying Obama is yet again another puppet. All I know is that on the surface Obama seems to be the candidate that can bring about change, in small steps. Some people on here are also saying not to vote at all. That to me is a mistake. TO all out their..if you had to choose McCAin or Obama--who would it be?? I still believe in the good out there...I still believe that there are people out there trying to make a postive difference---The world is not all evil, the elite do not have total control...There must be a balance. What are your thoughts?

[lotusflower]

Anyone else out their watching the debate tonite? I might be the only one in this forum to be "naive" enough to do such a thing.:bleh:

[2infinityandbeyond]

As far as ET civilizations having a "government", I'd say the proof is in the pudding. They are still alive, and can utilize technology far in advance of anything we have on Earth. They must be governing themselves fairly well in order to use such powerful tools without destroying each other, which is an understanding we as earthlings must grasp in order to evolve beyond our current situation.


I highly doubt that many of these alien civilisations are ruled under the same style government as us. Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely.

When a race is governed it means that they cannot take care of themselves, heirachial systems such as this will never be effective because there are always those who will benifit more then the majority.

We have over 6billion people on this planet. The majority of them are living terrible lives. The proof is in the pudding. And it is not because countries like Africa lack democracy, it is because countries that do have a democracy have robbed them of their natural resources and their ways of life. This again all boils down to greed. And as long as there is greed, governments will not be effective and most certainly will not cater for the good of everyone.

Look at paris hilton, walking around on her 5,000 dollar shoes. Do you really think this is fair? I think its terrible, and the greatest sin of all to have some people like this waited on hand and foot whilst others live such terrible miserable lives. This is what governments do.

The key to true advancement is too empower each and every member of the race, so that all voices are recognised. Until we start teaching our children how to govern themselves we will continue to be locked into this pattern of human civilisations rising and falling as has been the case for many thousands of years.

govern ;

1. To make and administer the public policy and affairs of; exercise sovereign authority in.
2. To control the speed or magnitude of; regulate: a valve that governs fuel intake.
3. To control the actions or behavior of: Govern yourselves like civilized people.
4. To keep under control; restrain: a student who could not govern his impulses.
5. To exercise a deciding or determining influence on: Chance usually governs the outcome of the game.
6. Grammar To require (a specific morphological form) of accompanying words.

So to say that you want a governement is to say that you are not responsible for yourself and your actions. You are handing over your reigns of power to someone who will most often then not abuse it.

I can see where your coming from about Barak Obama. He does seem to be the best out of a bad lot. But you must remember, presidents cant change very much, its quite suprising how far some will turn their cheeks when promised with wealth and safety. And those who do try to effect any positive chang get assasinated. R.I.P John F. Kennedy.

Humanity cannot move foreward under a monetary system.

[Eli in MI]

I can see where your coming from about Barak Obama. He does seem to be the best out of a bad lot. But you must remember, presidents cant change very much, its quite suprising how far some will turn their cheeks when promised with wealth and safety. And those who do try to effect any positive chang get assasinated. R.I.P John F. Kennedy.

Humanity cannot move foreward under a monetary system.

Great thoughts, 2IAB.

I do not believe Obama will be assassinated. I believe there are powerful people behind him, and powerful people protecting him. Perhaps I'm wrong. Perhaps after he's killed many people here will look back and forgive him for not being "perfect".

It seems most people here aim to tear down *any* possibility of things getting better on planet Earth. It's no wonder users are posting their disappointed goodbyes and leaving this place.

To lotusflower: I don't know what to believe. I believe these things because it makes me feel happy. I've done my research on all sides. There is plenty of evidence to help me believe we are winning. I prefer to gather these ideas and take them as my own.

Love wins.

[Anticomuna]

He is a black man with a with an "evil" sounding name

If you apply the "one drop rule" then who is the racist? The guy has a white mother. He is obviously a mulatto, not a black man.

He is not sincere in any way, he is just another politician using race and divisionism for achieving his goals. All the allegations of connections with radicals would be gone if he didn't keep changing his story and if he just said right away what happened. He always looks as if he is trying to hide something.

He went for decades to a church where a hate spewing idiot would spread hatred towards non-blacks. Come on, be objective here! How can you possibly stand silently to that? It is like going to a neo-nazi meeting and then later claiming to be the "champion of tolerance".

Besides he is a welfare loving socialist. It means you should give bye bye to any meritocracy that might be left. Your money is our money. :) His tax cut is a tranfer of wealth program in disguise of a tax cut, because even those that don't pay taxes will receive money. How can you cut taxes on 0 dollars and still get something higher than 0?

I live in Brazil and all the left-wing loonies are pro-Obama. They see him as "their guy" on washington, mainly because his ideology that matches with lunatics such as Hugo Chavez and others.

Yesterday on the debate he criticized Colombia. The Colombian people is fighting against narco-terrorists financed by Chavez and other Latin American leaders. This only shows even more the true colors of Obama. He is threat to himself and others.

[msv]

Stop with all the negativity! The dark side is addictive, isn't it? The light shines many corners and is more powerful than you would seemingly prefer to believe.


http://realitysandwich.com/elections...in039s_potency

[mntruthseeker]

Thank you blue.............my exact sentiment

NWO means killing off 95% of the humanbeings in this world. That is obama's agenda and you best not forget it.

You need to go watch that movie again and listen hard.

Obama's change is scarey and you have to realize this before you vote and go around saying differently

Who cares if britney has $5000 shoes. I am just fine in my little white tennies........just materialistic and I find it disgusting to want and not work for it. I doubt if her shoes make her happy at all.

Share the wealth around......That won't happen. Look it how screwed up Acorn was is. Acorn was supported by Obama and Ayers. Not only that, Obama's brother in Law was also noted as the founder. You wont find that anywhere on tv. It was out there when the story first broke. I am sure I can find the article on someones blog if you would like to see it. Money buys freedom, we all know that. People need to understand that they do need to work for what they have and quit paying our government to get somewhere. There should be no free handouts to those that are able to work.....There s/b no taxes period What a dream that is....makes me naive to believe that would ever happen

[Steve_G]

Same lies new packaging. TPB have 2 candidates in the election and they don't really care which one wins.

If you want change, change the system. Don't go on about how picking Kermit is better than picking Gonzo because there's still only one controller no matter how clever the PR is.

BTW, has Obama actually proved he's a US citizen yet? I've heard all sorts of rumours about him not being eligible but not seen anywhere that these have been resolved.

[DavidTangredi]

Dear Eli in MI -

First - I would like to commend you on your post and perspective. You are wise and have stumbled upon what I refer to as the Perfection of the Universe.

How is it possible for billions of humans to uniquely create their own reality while all living on the same planet? That is perfection at its best.

The key is perspective. We all have our own and we have complete freedom in this regard. Four walls: prison or palace? You decide. One World Government? Just another choice.

Continue to see the possibilities. Open up to light wherever it shines. Share your views as you are guided, but know that your view need not be defended. Each view has equal appropriateness and speaks for itself. The words of another do not reflect on us unless we make it so.

Recently, the following guidance was presented to me:

Do not fear or condemn the misuse of power; neither fear nor condemnation will save you from it.

By choosing to not fear the apparent structure of a particular construct created by another, you set yourself free of it. Enjoy this freedom and watch it create abundance in your life in forms others will merely overlook.

Best wishes to all,
David

P.S. And remember, the result of any election will not determine YOUR fate!

[Sarahmay]

Thank you for your support of Obama, Eli. So many people here on this board (and in the US) see nothing but fear and darkness, but they are just mirroring what is in their heart, and cannot see true grace and beauty even when it is right in front of them. Fortunately, many others are feeling the "high positive polarity vibration of service to others" of Obama and are responding.

[Anticomuna]

many others are feeling the high vibration of this individual and are responding.

Doesn't sound like a criterion for choosing a president. :)

Hitler had a "high vibration" as well, just check the quantity of people that "responded" to him.

[notkuroda]

BTW, has Obama actually proved he's a US citizen yet? I've heard all sorts of rumours about him not being eligible but not seen anywhere that these have been resolved.

I've heard rumors that the sky is purple. I have yet to see any proof that it's not

[Sarahmay]

Doesn't sound like a criterion for choosing a president. :)

Hitler had a "high vibration" as well, just check the quantity of people that "responded" to him.

Perhaps I should edit that to high positive polarity service to others vibration, to be more specific.

Well, guess you just need to vote for McCain then, or write in your little Ron Paul vote to no avail, or just stay at home and avoid the lines! Or maybe you're not even registered to vote, or don't live in the USA, but feel like you need to comment anyway. Okay then.

[mntruthseeker]

When you listen to the video's out there, you will come to the conclusion that no one will run for the POUS if he is not put in the spot.

Obama, McCain were put in place. period. Actually so was Clinton. Many people have predicted that Hillary would win the nomination and they may very well still be correct.

Here is an article you might want to check into

http://citizenwells.wordpress.com/2008/10/09/acorn-patrick-fitzgerald-obama-fbi-investigation-rico-violations-228-million-undocumented-campaign-contributions-mccain-campaign-fec-complaint-clinton-campaign-complaints-obama-fraud/


also on a good note.......I seen a video last night that was of an interview that I heard him say that former president clinton helped him write his book. If so, it would be a wonderful thing for all of us. :biggrin2:


If Obama is president, I will pray that he does right by all that adores him......I will not be happy with any so don't mind my ramblings. I just don't see him as my messiah and I will never put him up on that pedastol

[Sarahmay]

If Obama is president, I will pray that he does right by all that adores him......I will not be happy with any so don't mind my ramblings. I just don't see him as my messiah and I will never put him up on that pedastol

Thanks for your comments! Your icon photo scares me, BTW.

[Anticomuna]

I've heard rumors that the sky is purple. I have yet to see any proof that it's not

http://obamacrimes.com/

Except that the "rumors" about him not being an American citizen are well founded. And his campaign is trying by all means to delay this case until after the election. Why would that be?

Just think. If he is clean, if all his documentation is ok, if he has nothing to hide, why wouldn't he just give straight answers and get over with those rumors!? What is in it for him to let these stories continue, and every time a new piece of evidence comes up he changes his story? Please, use the gift of intelligence that God gave you and sum 2 + 2. It doesn't smell good, does it?

[Anticomuna]

By the way, the guy is a lawyer AND a politician. Every single debate or speech is carefully rehearsed and he portrays himself almost as a lawyer defending a case, whose intention is not actually to find the truth, but rather convince the jury that he is right and "win" it.

It is certainly effective, but it's not about honesty.

[Eli in MI]

Thanks for your comments David, Sarah, and notkuroda.

It's nice to hear from others who are interested in seeing the positive possibilities on this planet.

It's become clear that many, perhaps most, users here are enthusiastic about nothing other than their own doom and gloom.

A man who was virtually unknown 2 years ago, who has endured greater scrutiny than perhaps any other earthling in history, who wants to help struggling middle-class Americans get jobs, who wants 47 million people to get the health care they deserve, who wants to help this country free itself from dependence on fossil fuels, save the environment and repair this world has been transformed by paranoia and intolerance into a man whose "agenda is killing off 95% of human beings in this world".

I cannot describe the departure from logic and reason occurring here. I am tempted to start a new poll asking how many psychoactive medications Avalon users ingest daily. Obviously, the xanax isn't strong enough anymore.

The funny part is this: Not a single person this entire thread has defended John McCain as a better choice. Not a single person has defended Ron Paul as a better choice. Or Cynthia McKinney. Or Ralph Nader. Or anyone.

The question then becomes why do people such as mntruthseeker, Anticomuna, and bluestix feel strongly enough to take the time to post their negative ideas and repeat entirely debunked lies about Obama? Is it simply inflexibility in their beliefs? Is there another agenda?

Why must we all not only be completely scared but also absolutely convinced the future will be terrible? I refuse to accept that. I have seen how Obama has empowered people in this country. And we are going to win.

Statements like:

"Obama's change is scarey and you have to realize this before you vote and go around saying differently"

and:

"Hitler had a 'high vibration' as well, just check the quantity of people that 'responded' to him."

say a lot more about the person writing them than they do about Obama.

I refuse to believe there is smoky room somewhere filled with evil men who "put in place" people like Obama and McCain. Obama was nominated because he has a gift connecting with people and because we are ready for a drastic change. We are tired of the Bush/Clinton royal families.

McCain was nominated because he was perceived as the most bipartisan and tolerant Republican. He got the most votes. This is the shifting direction of peoples perceptions. The far right-wingers that have been controlling this administration *hate* McCain, because he used to actually BE tolerant and bipartisan. He is quite different now.

If the smoky room were truly in charge, and could somehow rig the voting machines in every state nationwide, wouldn't it be Hillary vs. Giuliani or Romney? Why pick two people you obviously despise?

It's clear that there *are* a group of people we refer to as the Powers That Be. It's clear that the ET presence has been covered up for 60+ years, and that there are bankers and religions who are greedier and more power hungry than the rest of us.

But it's just business, that's all. It's all about money, and capitalism is dying. It served its purpose extraordinarily well. We as earthlings have developed technology to make our lives better, connected our voices like never before, and are continuing to "wake up" and realize The One Spirit at an increasing rate. Information is our power, and the PTB do not control the information any more.

Sadly, it appears Project Avalon may not be a good gathering place for those folks who are already turned-on and tuned-in.

[MikeW]

From an English pov I would say be careful about buying into the old 'I stand for change' catchphrase because once these individuals get into power history shows that exceptional social and economic 'conditions' result in a complete u-turn in any policies that do not agree with the agenda's grand plan. I have seen this in England over te past 15 years. I admire you for trying to see the best in a bad situation, but i feel that the whole political system in America and the UK does not have any real power right now.

Until the people are prepared to march peacfully on the capital then this will never change.

Keep up the positive attitude. Unite instead of fight.

[RSF]

Laugh, seems a pretty-wide open area of discussion. 'The NWO, ETs, the economy, and Obama'
Don't quite understand where Obama fit's in within the important matters but -- OK.

NWO, real deal and possibly in it all to stop third-world aggression and their building, buying or stealing WMD type stuff to use (walk-in) into domesticated Countries.
ETs, you betcha -- their here.
Economy, Uha.
Obama, if the USA agreed with Clinton's economic efforts, I'd guess Obama is more of the except more dedicated in paving the road for the middle class. While insisting the rich give a wee-bit more to finance it.
RSF

[munkey]

beware the wolf in sheeps clothing.


look for the good in everyone, but just remember that evil does not have horns and will deceive you with smiles.

[Eli in MI]

Don't quite understand where Obama fit's in within the important matters but -- OK.


RSF: I mention Obama in this forum because I believe he represents the best possibility for eventual ET disclosure. I consider this information to be the biggest news in human history.

I believe real positive change on this planet will begin once this knowledge is processed and reaches critical mass. That is my hope.

My original ideas were carefully laid out in the first post. There's a lot of opposition. It's an interesting discussion I certainly could not find elsewhere, although I must say again there are many among us who are pretty staunch in their negative attitudes.

PS. Thanks for your thoughts MikeW. I believe the Americans and Obama are beginning to take the power back right now. His transition team is already in place, taking the necessary steps. There are eyes everywhere, too many eyes for them to steal it this time. We have the votes by an overwhelming margin. Finally the media here is catching on that people want answers to tough questions, not smears and lies. And in the end, it will still be up to us to hold him accountable.

[Anticomuna]

A man who was virtually unknown 2 years ago, who has endured greater scrutiny than perhaps any other earthling in history...

Haha. Maybe only from Fox News. The rest of the press chose him in the primaries instead of Hillary and now wants him to win.

The question then becomes why do people such as mntruthseeker, Anticomuna, and bluestix feel strongly enough to take the time to post their negative ideas and repeat entirely debunked lies about Obama?

Because you don't fix a problem with another problem.

[Anticomuna]

Obama was nominated because he has a gift connecting with people and because we are ready for a drastic change.

Funny, you criticized my Hitler comment, and then said this. This is funny! I can picture Obama's Youth doing Sieg Heils already. Lots of people have the ability to connect with people, but that doesn't mean they are good, and history proves us that.

[Elephant Man]

Ive been smiling a lot reading this thread, very entertaining and thought provoking :original: my question is, who on earth would want to take over the job as pres. at the present time? man theres a lot of clearing up to do, being the next president is gonna be a tough one. luv you all :thumb_yello:

[Humble Janitor]

Thanks for your comments David, Sarah, and notkuroda.

It's nice to hear from others who are interested in seeing the positive possibilities on this planet.

It's become clear that many, perhaps most, users here are enthusiastic about nothing other than their own doom and gloom.

A man who was virtually unknown 2 years ago, who has endured greater scrutiny than perhaps any other earthling in history, who wants to help struggling middle-class Americans get jobs, who wants 47 million people to get the health care they deserve, who wants to help this country free itself from dependence on fossil fuels, save the environment and repair this world has been transformed by paranoia and intolerance into a man whose "agenda is killing off 95% of human beings in this world".

I cannot describe the departure from logic and reason occurring here. I am tempted to start a new poll asking how many psychoactive medications Avalon users ingest daily. Obviously, the xanax isn't strong enough anymore.

The funny part is this: Not a single person this entire thread has defended John McCain as a better choice. Not a single person has defended Ron Paul as a better choice. Or Cynthia McKinney. Or Ralph Nader. Or anyone.

The question then becomes why do people such as mntruthseeker, Anticomuna, and bluestix feel strongly enough to take the time to post their negative ideas and repeat entirely debunked lies about Obama? Is it simply inflexibility in their beliefs? Is there another agenda?

Why must we all not only be completely scared but also absolutely convinced the future will be terrible? I refuse to accept that. I have seen how Obama has empowered people in this country. And we are going to win.

Statements like:

"Obama's change is scarey and you have to realize this before you vote and go around saying differently"

and:

"Hitler had a 'high vibration' as well, just check the quantity of people that 'responded' to him."

say a lot more about the person writing them than they do about Obama.

I refuse to believe there is smoky room somewhere filled with evil men who "put in place" people like Obama and McCain. Obama was nominated because he has a gift connecting with people and because we are ready for a drastic change. We are tired of the Bush/Clinton royal families.

McCain was nominated because he was perceived as the most bipartisan and tolerant Republican. He got the most votes. This is the shifting direction of peoples perceptions. The far right-wingers that have been controlling this administration *hate* McCain, because he used to actually BE tolerant and bipartisan. He is quite different now.

If the smoky room were truly in charge, and could somehow rig the voting machines in every state nationwide, wouldn't it be Hillary vs. Giuliani or Romney? Why pick two people you obviously despise?

It's clear that there *are* a group of people we refer to as the Powers That Be. It's clear that the ET presence has been covered up for 60+ years, and that there are bankers and religions who are greedier and more power hungry than the rest of us.

But it's just business, that's all. It's all about money, and capitalism is dying. It served its purpose extraordinarily well. We as earthlings have developed technology to make our lives better, connected our voices like never before, and are continuing to "wake up" and realize The One Spirit at an increasing rate. Information is our power, and the PTB do not control the information any more.

Sadly, it appears Project Avalon may not be a good gathering place for those folks who are already turned-on and tuned-in.

Well said and better than I could say it.

I tend to view the anti-Obama sentiment as being more pro-NWO than Obama himself. It's meant to throw people off.

[bodzoyfa]

Not this time. That is one reason I started this thread. They cannot commit fraud if we are overwhelmingly united behind our best hope for new ideas in government.

Obama needs ALL our votes. They cannot steal the election again if all the polls point to a landslide win. To attempt so would be to expose themselves, and there will be too many people (including Obama's legal team) watching too closely to try anything fishy.

If the polls tighten up, there is a good chance that the Diebold effect will come into play, but if we commit to Obama by wide margins, the PTB cannot try to steal this without risking being caught red-handed.


Eli and everyone else,

I personally dont have, and have never had a good feeling about Barack Obama. I also do not identify with your assesment in this quote, but I understand where you are coming from.

There was a very interesting acticle posted on Rense today about Barack that I'll post below linked to the article. Its a bit lengthy but I could not stop reading it once I started. I immediately started watching old videos of BO and applying these theories. Pretty amazing stuff. It reminded me a lot of David Icke's "Problem-Reaction-Solution" theory in that the most dangerous prison (for your mind) to be in is not the one that you can see and feel the bars and walls but the one that you believe yourself to be a free person. Read the article and you will see what I mean.

I'm just sayin...

http://www.pennypresslv.com/Obama%27s_Use_of_Hidden_Hypnosis_techniques_in_His _Speeches.pdf

[msv]

I have come to the conclusion over years of reading Rense, that he is one of the big disinfo people out there. He seems to have no problem with putting every lie anyone out there can come up with about Obama on his site. I have written to him many times sharing with him the errors and lies that are provably wrong, but he has never gotten back to me or taken down the information. He has it in for Obama in a big way and has gone to rotten lengths to try and take him down. Now if anyone says they found info on rense against Obama, I refuse to even concider it. Obviously his disinfo has worked on you. I have a very strong intuition about people and so far it has done me well in life. Obama will be the best president we have ever had..period. I know it.

[Anticomuna]

I have come to the conclusion over years of reading Rense, that he is one of the big disinfo people out there...

Question the almighty Obama and your life will be destroyed. Joe the Plumber knows it. Anyone that dares to question his socialist policies will be destroyed.

[Humble Janitor]

Question the almighty Obama and your life will be destroyed. Joe the Plumber knows it. Anyone that dares to question his socialist policies will be destroyed.

Yay paranoia!

I fail to see how he "destroyed" the life of a guy who has no plumbing license and refuses to pay taxes. If anything, this "plumber" was a plant from the McCain campaign. All Obama did was answer his questions in a civil manner.

And again, what's with the hatred towards socialism? If you think socialism is a bad thing, what do you call nationalization of our banks by the government?

The United States of America: Socialism for the rich and Capitalism for the poor

[msv]

Joe has a Keating 5 connection.
http://crooksandliars.com/david-neiwert/joe-plumber-more-joe-keating-family-

[Vianova]

ET's and Obama .... what a cesspool of BS

lol

How many of you remember the prophet Yahweh .. :roll1:


http://www.prweb.com/releases/2008/10/prweb1395924.htm

Prophet Yahweh, Seer of Yahweh, Master UFO Caller
says that on October 31, 2008,
superhuman black men, from other planets,
will appear in their spaceships and hover over his UFO Summoning School
for three days as a sign that all Americans
should vote for Obama as President.


Annunaki Nookie
http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w174/elvis-boletus/annunaki-nookie.jpg

:lol3:

[Eli in MI]

Eli and everyone else,

I personally dont have, and have never had a good feeling about Barack Obama. I also do not identify with your assesment in this quote, but I understand where you are coming from.


bodzoyfa, which part of my assessment do you "not identify" with? Do you think that "they" will try to steal the election from Obama, even if it looks like a landslide?

Do you think the election is being thrown toward Obama? Please explain. I've been thinking about this stuff all year.

I read the first page of that article on Rense. It's laugh-out-loud funny. Here's a good quote, for those who didn't waste their time clicking:

"Obama is immune to logical arguments like Wright, Ayers, shifting every position, character, and inexperience, because hypnosis affects us on an unconscious and emotional level."

The Wright/Ayers/terrorist/anti-patriot argument is no longer logical. The only way this utterly desperate line of attack makes any "logical" sense is if you have amnesia and you don't remember 6 months ago. This stuff is old news, and it's already been chewed up, swallowed, regurgitated, examined again, swallowed again, and digested by the American people. Everyone already knows he's NOT a terrorist, except maybe Rense and a shrinking number of other Republicans willing to risk gambling their careers on defending McCain's slime tactics and smear campaign.

The above quote and the sentence following it on page 1 show exactly what this person's agenda is. If you want to buy into it, I'll not stop you, but I will remind you that it's old news, and the guy won the primary because he got more votes. He got more votes because rational people don't believe that BS.

You can't tell me some hack hypnotist got 100,000 Americans to assemble yesterday under the Gateway Arch in St. Louis to hear him talk about politics. No, you can't hypnotize 3.1 million people into donating to your campaign, including 600,000 new donors and $150 million dollars in September, half of which came from people who donate less than $100.

The fact is, Obama is trying to help us. You are looking at a real leader who has inspired and empowered people all across the country and the world to give a damn again.

250,000 hypnotized Germans enthusiastically approve this message and encourage you to take your country back.

http://www.russiablog.org/obama-berlin-germany.jpg

[Vianova]

I have no doubt that Obama uses subliminal suggestivities
in his approach,
but to extrapolate that to mass hynosis is a bit severe.

All politicians learn to be actors.
Obama is an actor and a comedian.

Obama is excellent at hand movements and facial expressions.
He is also very intelligent.

Now compare him to the opposition.

Not too hard to get anybody's attention shifting to your point of view...
when Quasimodo and Barbie Bumble Doll are the opponents.

:lol3:

[bodzoyfa]

bodzoyfa, which part of my assessment do you "not identify" with? Do you think that "they" will try to steal the election from Obama, even if it looks like a landslide?

Do you think the election is being thrown toward Obama? Please explain. I've been thinking about this stuff all year.

I read the first page of that article on Rense. It's laugh-out-loud funny. Here's a good quote, for those who didn't waste their time clicking:

"Obama is immune to logical arguments like Wright, Ayers, shifting every position, character, and inexperience, because hypnosis affects us on an unconscious and emotional level."

The Wright/Ayers/terrorist/anti-patriot argument is no longer logical. The only way this utterly desperate line of attack makes any "logical" sense is if you have amnesia and you don't remember 6 months ago. This stuff is old news, and it's already been chewed up, swallowed, regurgitated, examined again, swallowed again, and digested by the American people. Everyone already knows he's NOT a terrorist, except maybe Rense and a shrinking number of other Republicans willing to risk gambling their careers on defending McCain's slime tactics and smear campaign.

The above quote and the sentence following it on page 1 show exactly what this person's agenda is. If you want to buy into it, I'll not stop you, but I will remind you that it's old news, and the guy won the primary because he got more votes. He got more votes because rational people don't believe that BS.

You can't tell me some hack hypnotist got 100,000 Americans to assemble yesterday under the Gateway Arch in St. Louis to hear him talk about politics. No, you can't hypnotize 3.1 million people into donating to your campaign, including 600,000 new donors and $150 million dollars in September, half of which came from people who donate less than $100.

The fact is, Obama is trying to help us. You are looking at a real leader who has inspired and empowered people all across the country and the world to give a damn again.

250,000 hypnotized Germans enthusiastically approve this message and encourage you to take your country back.

http://www.russiablog.org/obama-berlin-germany.jpg

Eli,

I understand that the hypnosis thing is an extreme idea right now, but what I dont identify with in your statement is not very extreme I dont feel. When you look at Obama you see real change and a real leader, and thats great that you feel like that. I, on the other hand, see a puppet who represents no real change.

I think its important to remember that just because an idea seems extreme and maybe outside of what one is willing to accept as possible does not make it disinformation. We are all speculating as to how far the rabbit hole goes.