Oct. 24: Stock Market Crash

[ctophil]

Hey everyone,

I know some of you don't like date predictions; but this guy from the Prophecy Talk forum has been pretty much flawless about the stock markets. He makes a great case with comparisons from past market crashes since 1929. Check the thread here and read up on his prediction of an Oct. 24, 2008 Stock Market Crash months ago. Check it out: http://www.prophecytalk.com/index.php?topic=5109.0

Oct. 24 is Black Friday as he calls it. We will see what happens next Friday! Note: He did mention that it may be the following Monday or Tuesday at the latest. So don't start pounding him if Black Friday isn't the lowest drop in a century. :)

-Phillip

[ralok_j]

Isn't he off by a few weeks? Last week was black Monday, Tuesday, Wednsday, Thursday, Friday.

Actually, tomorrow is supposed to be a down day.

[Sarahmay]

It's my birthday on Oct. 24...and I just told my parents that was probably the day the market would crash! Hard to tell though with this rollercoaster we are on.

[pineal-pilot-in merkabah]

http://www.prisonplanet.com/dow-jones-bloodbath-mirroring-1929-rout.html

[Ampgod]

Let's stop this "Prophecy" nonsense!
I'd refrain from any specific dates. Nobody knows when exactly things will happen. It is strictly speculation.

We are all watching what is happening closely and will know when or if it happens. :original:


Peace,
Ampgod

[JPS]

Very interesting - thank you for sharing!

[Christo888]

Let's stop this "Prophecy" nonsense!
I'd refrain from any specific dates. Nobody knows when exactly things will happen. It is strictly speculation.

We are all watching what is happening closely and will know when or if it happens. :original:


Peace,
Ampgod


Thank You!!!!!!

It just creates more distractions and a let's see if the prediction is right mode. However, it does provide a great opportunity to practice staying in the NOW, and snapping back on track to focusing and creating your own future regardless of what "they" are doing. Every NOW thought creates your future experience.

[kopenhagen]

supposedly it's true, are you selling all your stocks now?

[ctophil]

Hey folks,

Here is another thread started by the same guy as the stock market one: http://www.prophecytalk.com/index.php?topic=5067.msg85599

This thread has more specific dates. Now, his calculations are based on the Bible. Yes, I do know (not believe BUT KNOW) that ever since October 1, 2008, we are living in the Great Tribulation. Physical disruptions and suffering have begun. So far, the guy from the Prophecy Talk forums is correct on his dates. Now, if you don't believe in the Bible nor prophecy....well, that's your thing. I'm here to present the truth and to warn you all what happened and what is about to happen. Remember that prophets were always rejected by society and even by his/her home town. But their prophecies came true and people suffered and/or got destroyed. Now I know there are false prophets, but there also true prophets. For during the last days, the sons and daughters of Yahweh (God in most cultures, this is His true name) will prophesy. I know some of you may appreciate this information. So I will still post it regardless. Others who don't like it...well you don't have to read it.

-Phillip

[ctophil]

supposedly it's true, are you selling all your stocks now?

If you are VERY savvy with the stock market, you should buy certain stocks that will make a ton of money (However, this is not the time to get greedy!) during times when the markets are way up like on Monday. But if you don't know much, get out of the markets NOW. You will lose all of your money and more. 401K people need to get out NOW. I have already convinced a couple of people to get out. And they are appreciative now, since they are no longer losing money in this volatile marketplace.

-Phillip

[Swanny]

If you had purchased £1000 of Northern Rock shares one year ago it would now
be worth £4.95; with HBOS, earlier this week your £1000 would have been
worth £16.50; £1000 invested in XL Leisure would now be worth less than £5;
but if you bought £1000 worth of Stella Artois one year ago, drank it all,
then took the empty cans to an aluminium re-cycling plant, you would get
£214. So based on the above statistics the best current investment advice is
to drink heavily and re-cycle. :beer:

[joe2288]

If you had purchased £1000 of Northern Rock shares one year ago it would now
be worth £4.95; with HBOS, earlier this week your £1000 would have been
worth £16.50; £1000 invested in XL Leisure would now be worth less than £5;
but if you bought £1000 worth of Stella Artois one year ago, drank it all,
then took the empty cans to an aluminium re-cycling plant, you would get
£214. So based on the above statistics the best current investment advice is
to drink heavily and re-cycle. :beer:



:lmao: yeah im gonna agree id rather drink a beer than worry about wat some guy in a blog said about the stock market crashing in my opinion the markets are way to complex to predict an accurate day for meltdown

[Swanny]

Hey folks,

Here is another thread started by the same guy as the stock market one: http://www.prophecytalk.com/index.php?topic=5067.msg85599

This thread has more specific dates. Now, his calculations are based on the Bible. Yes, I do know (not believe BUT KNOW) that ever since October 1, 2008, we are living in the Great Tribulation. Physical disruptions and suffering have begun. So far, the guy from the Prophecy Talk forums is correct on his dates. Now, if you don't believe in the Bible nor prophecy....well, that's your thing. I'm here to present the truth and to warn you all what happened and what is about to happen. Remember that prophets were always rejected by society and even by his/her home town. But their prophecies came true and people suffered and/or got destroyed. Now I know there are false prophets, but there also true prophets. For during the last days, the sons and daughters of Yahweh (God in most cultures, this is His true name) will prophesy. I know some of you may appreciate this information. So I will still post it regardless. Others who don't like it...well you don't have to read it.

-Phillip

14 December 2008 --- 1260 days begin again. 2-1/2 years begin. --- World War III begins with attacks on the United States, the United Kingdom, and Israel.

Great :sad: Happy christmas everyone :newyear:

[Myra]

If you had purchased £1000 of Northern Rock shares one year ago it would now
be worth £4.95; with HBOS, earlier this week your £1000 would have been
worth £16.50; £1000 invested in XL Leisure would now be worth less than £5;
but if you bought £1000 worth of Stella Artois one year ago, drank it all,
then took the empty cans to an aluminium re-cycling plant, you would get
£214. So based on the above statistics the best current investment advice is
to drink heavily and re-cycle. :beer:

I'll likely drink to that lol. :beer:

[Truth voice 2012]

Hey folks,

Here is another thread started by the same guy as the stock market one: http://www.prophecytalk.com/index.php?topic=5067.msg85599

This thread has more specific dates. Now, his calculations are based on the Bible. Yes, I do know (not believe BUT KNOW) that ever since October 1, 2008, we are living in the Great Tribulation. Physical disruptions and suffering have begun. So far, the guy from the Prophecy Talk forums is correct on his dates. Now, if you don't believe in the Bible nor prophecy....well, that's your thing. I'm here to present the truth and to warn you all what happened and what is about to happen. Remember that prophets were always rejected by society and even by his/her home town. But their prophecies came true and people suffered and/or got destroyed. Now I know there are false prophets, but there also true prophets. For during the last days, the sons and daughters of Yahweh (God in most cultures, this is His true name) will prophesy. I know some of you may appreciate this information. So I will still post it regardless. Others who don't like it...well you don't have to read it.

-Phillip

Not that im into prophecies or anything (Although I was hopeful that maybe something might occur Oct 14th) but I thought of the Half past human web-bot when I read this. If the Bible is the most common book on earth and widely available, Maybe the web bot spiders were picking up bible references from the net along with the bibles description of future events. Oct 1th - 7st 2008 is pretty good accuracy. The "release language" they found could be references in the bible to this "Great Tribulation" and our current timeline resembling bible descriptions of end times. Ive seen some of this bible stuff myself and its really accurate. Spooky stuff! I dunno, I just live day to day and try not to dwell if at all possible. I think IF s*&t hits the fan it wont matter what you have invested and when to take it out. Money will be the last thing on our minds when we switch to survival mode. I think for the most part it would be, due to our conditioning, a kill or be killed type scenario for a period of time. From what I understand from all the occultism Ive researched, The entire reason for all this is duality. "So our souls learn before we can move up or move down for a more intense lession as the creator experiences existance" is the common meme.

My brain hurts:blink:

[silverman]

Hey everyone,

I know some of you don't like date predictions; but this guy from the Prophecy Talk forum has been pretty much flawless about the stock markets. He makes a great case with comparisons from past market crashes since 1929. Check the thread here and read up on his prediction of an Oct. 24, 2008 Stock Market Crash months ago. Check it out: http://www.prophecytalk.com/index.php?topic=5109.0

Oct. 24 is Black Friday as he calls it. We will see what happens next Friday! Note: He did mention that it may be the following Monday or Tuesday at the latest. So don't start pounding him if Black Friday isn't the lowest drop in a century. :)

-Phillip

Thanks for this post.

Now to all the posts so far in this thread the following:

Yes financial markets have lost already some 20 to 30 up to 70% depending which index you look at but lets focus on Dow Jones

Dow Jones lost some 25% the last couple of weeks and this is just the beginning. This is how real stock market crashes start. Dow Jones has been kept for so much too long time at this unjustified high level. FED and government just did everything including big manipulation programms.

Now lets compare a bit:

- With the Nikkei which was roughly at 40'000 points in 1989 is trading at roughly 8000 today almost 20 years later.

- in 1929-31 market was down by 90%, so there is some room left for Dow Jones to go much much lower.

- Crude oil is down ....oooh yes it has to at least until elections in the US are through, actually at the Bilderberg meeting this year the illuminatis decided to bring down crude oil close to 50 before elections and after let it go up to 500!!!!

- Now many analysts argue that sinking crude oil price and looming global recession will result in deflation!?! What about the trillions that will pumb into the system? This is big time inflation.


So what is my scenario:

- Crude will go down further making everybody believe we have deflation
- This supports the USD
- Then a little war against Iran initated by Israel
- This makes the crude oil price shooting up to any level above USD 200
- This will kill Dow Jones and as soon Dow Jones and all the bombed out stocks trade another 60 to 80% lower, the Buffets, Bushs, Rockefeller, Rothschilds starts to buy stocks again (by the way, right now they manipulate down the gold price, that all illuminati-freemasons-Rothschilds-etc.) can buy cheap gold
- why they buy gold?
- because they know that when the crude oil price goes up towards 200 again, the dollar will fall and gold will go ballistic
- why will gold go ballistic?
- because they stop manipulating gold and start talking about gold-standard (actually this discussion started already in Europe)
- Why gold?
- Because of the AMERO which will be backed or partially backed by the 9000 tons of gold the US still have....


I believe this is what we will see within the next 3 to 6 months!

Cheers, silverman
:thumb_yello:

[Swanny]

I cant understand/believe that gordon brown sold all our gold when the price was really low :mad3:

[2infinityandbeyond]

I cant understand/believe that gordon brown sold all our gold when the price was really low :mad3:

Wow, you really dont know much about the world around you do you.

[Swanny]

Wow, you really dont know much about the world around you do you.

Unlike you some of us don't know everything ;)

[hueyii]

We are the masters of our own destiny. Predictions rely on a sequence of events. If the sequence is broken the prediction is altered.

I predict that it will snow in the northeast united states in the next 30 days. Get your warm clothes out of the mothballs!

[Knightbk]

Are people asleep?
The stock market has already crashed.

A "crash" doesn't mean that it goes from X to 0, it just means that a large amount of wealth is lost, and that has already happened, at a greater degree overall than the Great Depression.

China and Russia are already both off by 50% and North America (TST, DOW) are off 35-40%.

The DOW doesn't need to go down any further to cause calamity because it ALREADY crashed and the consequences of that will be filter down to Main Street in greater number next year.

So this entire prophecy of a new "market crash" is really just a bunch of bs, because it already crashed. A few more points is irrelevant.

[ctophil]

We are the masters of our own destiny. Predictions rely on a sequence of events. If the sequence is broken the prediction is altered.

I predict that it will snow in the northeast united states in the next 30 days. Get your warm clothes out of the mothballs!

We are currently slaves to the global elite. You are nothing without Yahweh Elohim (translated roughly to God Almighty). In this world, there are a small number of people and powerful demons controlling it (definitely with lots of help from branches of the bloodline and so forth). At this point, you are a slave.....you just don't know it yet.


Are people asleep?
The stock market has already crashed.

A "crash" doesn't mean that it goes from X to 0, it just means that a large amount of wealth is lost, and that has already happened, at a greater degree overall than the Great Depression.

China and Russia are already both off by 50% and North America (TST, DOW) are off 35-40%.

The DOW doesn't need to go down any further to cause calamity because it ALREADY crashed and the consequences of that will be filter down to Main Street in greater number next year.

So this entire prophecy of a new "market crash" is really just a bunch of bs, because it already crashed. A few more points is irrelevant.

If you read the thread I posted, the first post was dated back in July. There is nothing "new" about this prediction. The stock market will go down much lower to the point where main street (you and I) will feel and live within its impacts.

-Phillip

[Knightbk]

We are currently slaves to the global elite. You are nothing without Yahweh Elohim (translated roughly to God Almighty). In this world, there are a small number of people and powerful demons controlling it (definitely with lots of help from branches of the bloodline and so forth). At this point, you are a slave.....you just don't know it yet.




If you read the thread I posted, the first post was dated back in July. There is nothing "new" about this prediction. The stock market will go down much lower to the point where main street (you and I) will feel and live within its impacts.

-Phillip


It wont go down much lower. 5000 or so max, which is already a calamity.

The impact is coming, its just takes time to filter through. It doesn't happen over night.

[hueyii]

We are currently slaves to the global elite. You are nothing without Yahweh Elohim (translated roughly to God Almighty). In this world, there are a small number of people and powerful demons controlling it (definitely with lots of help from branches of the bloodline and so forth). At this point, you are a slave.....you just don't know it yet.

I am god. You are god. We are all aspects of divinity trying to experience itself. There is no such thing as evil, only love and the lack of it. Life is cause and effect, pure and simple. The further you move from love the longer your journey back to source.

We are all making this up as we go along. The illusion that you are an individual is the greatest deception. We are all one and collectively we control our destiny. Meditate on this for thirty years and you will understand.

Peace

[ctophil]

I am god. You are god. We are all aspects of divinity trying to experience itself. There is no such thing as evil, only love and the lack of it. Life is cause and effect, pure and simple. The further you move from love the longer your journey back to source.

We are all making this up as we go along. The illusion that you are an individual is the greatest deception. We are all one and collectively we control our destiny. Meditate on this for thirty years and you will understand.

Peace

If you are a god, how come you can't even change your hair color without dying it with some chemicals? Please humble yourself, and don't raise yourself to a high stature. Those who do will never be exalted by Father Yahweh (The Most High). Those who exalt themselves will be abased by Him, and those who humble themselves will Yahweh exalt them.

-Phillip

[uniconr]

i really dont appreciate preaching, its quite disrespectful to the beliefs of others. especially in the form of threats, 'you are nothing without god', 'you will never be exalted by god' please if youre going to continue to say things like that say them on a different forum.
otherwise i welcome any input you might have here.

one thing though, when the stock market fails, it is because investors are scared and they sell. by spreading some prophecy you and the prophecy forum guy are contributing to the fear and hence to the failure. not that i think its not going to happen anyway, but people really shouldnt need a prophecy to understand what is happening around them.

[ralok_j]

one thing though, when the stock market fails, it is because investors are scared and they sell. by spreading some prophecy you and the prophecy forum guy are contributing to the fear and hence to the failure. not that i think its not going to happen anyway, but people really shouldnt need a prophecy to understand what is happening around them.


There's plenty of other factors to fear, that will cause a sell off, than forum rumors (weak economic fundamentals, crumbling credit markets, etc........)

[ctophil]

i really dont appreciate preaching, its quite disrespectful to the beliefs of others. especially in the form of threats, 'you are nothing without god', 'you will never be exalted by god' please if youre going to continue to say things like that say them on a different forum.
otherwise i welcome any input you might have here.

one thing though, when the stock market fails, it is because investors are scared and they sell. by spreading some prophecy you and the prophecy forum guy are contributing to the fear and hence to the failure. not that i think its not going to happen anyway, but people really shouldnt need a prophecy to understand what is happening around them.

Please understand that the words I used in other posts are paraphrases directly from the Bible. Those are not my words and are not "threats." They are simply truth. :) Anybody who knows the Bible can back me up on this. Now, I give you prophecies and predictions for you to study and figure out for yourselves if they are definitely truths. For the truth remains the truth no matter what. As I said, if you don't like prophecy, then don't read it. Some of us want to know though.

-Phillip

[silverman]

Please understand that the words I used in other posts are paraphrases directly from the Bible. Those are not my words and are not "threats." They are simply truth. :) Anybody who knows the Bible can back me up on this. Now, I give you prophecies and predictions for you to study and figure out for yourselves if they are definitely truths. For the truth remains the truth no matter what. As I said, if you don't like prophecy, then don't read it. Some of us want to know though.

-Phillip

Hey guys!

Just take it easy! I believe we want to keep "camelot" & "avalon" place & space to be a space & place of peace and harmony!

So relax and if you don't know if dow goes up or down:

You just become opinion-less technical CFD-platform-traders as long they keep the markets open...this makes fun and earns you some extramoney while your surfing in avalon-forum....

:mfr_lol: - :roll1: - :smoke:

When you're in Switzerland next time I will invite you to a delicious Swiss Cheese Fondue, have some tasty wine and I show you where you can get some delicious chocolate and the next day we do a nice trip through nice little tiny Switzerland

Cheers, silverman

[Humble Janitor]

I predict that it will snow in the northeast united states in the next 30 days. Get your warm clothes out of the mothballs!

Here's something that I don't mind. ;)

[uniconr]

im happy that you love god and god loves you : ) and maybe he does change his hair colour every day.
really, i dont wish to argue with what you believe, and i do understand that some of your words are from the bible.
what i said was that i dont appreciate you or anyone preaching from religious text, or telling other people that they are incorrect in their beliefs. its disrespectful

[malakai]

Ok people,
Lets all sit down be quiet for a moment and think why we are here at this forum.
First and most important is preparation for the our bleak future.
There is no point in bickering about the stock market as the NWO have their plans in place and there is nothing you can do about it.
We should all be talking about planning and preparation not about things that are out of our hands.
It isn't just this thread either, its all the other threads too.
Nothing is happening, all I see is talk and no one asking about how to build this , were to get these supplies etc, etc.
Maybe everyone has all their **** in place and don't need anything.
When Bill and Kerry opened this forum I was exited to swap ideas and help others in anyway I could.
But this forum is very disappointing and has no purpose at all.
If this is the ground crew that is supposed to be awakened and ready then I think I am probably be one of the few left.
I see dead people every day and now I think they are also chatting on this forum too, which is a pitty.
Don't waist you time here if you are not preparing, go on holiday and enjoy your life while you still have one.
Didn't wish to sound to negative but hey I think you needed to hear it.
Peace be with you all

[CosmicFever]

Prophecy (pra-fo-see) An event or events that two or more people agree on ahead of time.

Self Fullfilled Prophecy: One or more nuts decide to make something happen because a bunch of people believe it will take place.

peace,
julie:original:

[Squeptikal]

im happy that you love god and god loves you : ) and maybe he does change his hair colour every day.
really, i dont wish to argue with what you believe, and i do understand that some of your words are from the bible.
what i said was that i dont appreciate you or anyone preaching from religious text, or telling other people that they are incorrect in their beliefs. its disrespectful

Yes, reciting the Bible which may be the way in which the PTB have designed this insane reality in the first place, might just be playing into their hands. If you expect the prophesies to be fulfilled, then just like Nostradamus's predictions we'll experience some collective interpretation of reality that won't be obviously clear, and then believers (there's that word again) will believe even more in the nonsense contained within it. THEY are creating our reality THROUGH US in that case.

Which of the following is more likely? That Jesus (Jmmanuel) was an immaculate conception by a god that remains aloof and unseen, or that someone (or something) placed a fertilized human embryo inside Mary while she slept dreaming of the best sex she'd ever had?

In this age of mapping the human genome and cloning, can't we get beyond the old fireside tales and look at what is possible now, and what we believed to be impossible only a few decades ago to see a major trend here? Stories are merely that - stories. Public opinion once held that the earth was flat, that the sun revolved around it, that women who didn't perform automatic circumcision were witches, and that money was something we all needed to live comfortably and that we couldn't live without it. We keep re-living the same insane history because of our self-imposed WRONG BELIEFS.

Science now contends that there was an evolution of the species from one to many and that there was no creation because an all-powerful God wasn't a peer-reviewed theory. Yet, their own data suggests spontaneous creation of many to the now few species! Does this not smack of deliberate ignorance and professional posturing?

Science also contends that the earth was once Pangea in the middle of a huge ocean and that the continent simply broke apart to form the familiar continental configuration we have today. No matter that it simply makes no logical sense, and that the theory of subduction & plate rotation is not evident on any other planet in our system. Again we have illogical theories being pushed as the best explanation EVEN THOUGH THEY DON"T MATCH THE OBSERVED FACTS AND ARE NOT REPEATABLE!! A complex and indistinct theory with no basis in observable or historic fact floats to the surface of our consciousness because of an elite group of self-proclaimed experts' BELIEFS which are WRONG!

A much more plausible theory which DOES adhere to the observable facts, which IS observed on other planets, IS repeatable, and which ALSO EXPLAINS SOME CRAZY IDEAS OF THE EARTH BEING HOLLOW (OR at least POROUS) is laughed off by the peer-review people because it interferes with their WRONG BELIEFS. This theory (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7kL7qDeI05U) holds far greater scientific weight yet is being mocked and ignored by the scientific establishment - JUST AS THE UFO PHENOMENON AND ANTI-GRAVITY community are. It turns out that anti-gravity is merely gravity in the inverse through standing wave theory as presented by Stan Deyo here (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8222679614108378695&ei=ovz3SLKcJpCQqQKD2czfDg&q=stan+deyo+&hl=en&emb=1).

We are made to believe things that don't make sense in our collective observation by BELIEVERS which reduces our knowledge of what is possible and replaces it with what SOMEONE ELSE WRONGLY BELIEVES. This is the control system that inevitably results in our being constantly dumbed down and voiceless and begging for some explanation - no matter how illogical or ridiculous it may be. Religious beliefs are even more insidious because of how much hatred, war, and love of money it creates WITHOUT EVEN ACKNOWLEDGING GOD!

Instead, why not create a belief in a reality that does not include the gloom & doom but instead does include a massive pole shift, a large & much-needed devaluation of the US currency, and no nuclear war? I could live with that much more sanely. How about you?

God isn't a being, God is every being throughout all realms transcending all time forever. Can I get an AMEN here?

[warngen]

we will just have to wait and see if this event will occur.......
i stocked up already...thinking that the oct 7 event would change everything...

[ralok_j]

Did anyone watch The Big Idea with Donny Deutsch?

[THE eXchanger]

if ROBINHOOD was here...
he would probably say

now that i am retired...
isn't it great to sit up here in heaven,
and, see the "ultra rich"
raping "the rich"
(although it is unfortunate,
they are pulling stuff out of average people too)
however...invest with criminals...
and, you eventually also get burned

i am glad,
i pulled my money out of that "fools market"
decades ago !!! and, told others to do the same thing,
buy land !!!

and, learn how to live simply

turn off the tv

stop buying the magazine/movie/and, newpaper c.r.a.p.

it's a real insult;
NOT ONLY TO US, who do NOT want to read your lies,
but, also to the fibre of trees,
the "good trees"
it's printed on

they too will have issues, with those who originated the lies

i can only imagine--where those guys are going
when they cycle out of this lifetime--i am sure,
it is a place, NONE of US, are very likely to see !!!

it is NEVER too late,
for those on the wrong side
(and, i know, some of you are reading this)
to get out your whistle
(and, BLOW !!!)

do NOT SAY, you have NOT been warned

also...if they say; they will look after you

there are many people, who make that claim

and, do NOT follow through on it,

after_all, anything that is disposiable,
they are likely to dispose,
maybe you think, we are first,
and, you are protected,
think again,
they do NOT leave people around
to talk, so, in essence,
you might think you have options,
when you do NOT

if, i was you...
i'd be blowing your whistles,
while you still have a chance!!!

when the game is over...
the king and the pawn are put into the same box !!!

love
susan
the eXchanger

[CosmicFever]

It's my opinion that today will be a wild ride on Wall Street. 80 million options are set to expire. President addresses the nation at 10:00. Gold manipulation is so obvious that my four year old niece can see it. I'm sick of hearing what Warren Buffet is doing. If I still owned stock I would be selling at the opening bell. A little bit of something is better than a whole lot of nothing. Life support may be discontinued today. Friday has always been a good day to dump on the American public. It gives the PTB all weekend to get their lies in order and most Americans will be more concerned with who their favorite NFL team is playing on Sunday.

peace,
julie

"I can't think about that right now. If I do, I'll go crazy. I'll think about that tomorrow." ~Scarlett O'Hara

[Elephant Man]

"" am glad,
i pulled my money out of that "fools market"
decades ago !!! and, told others to do the same thing,
buy land !!!

and, learn how to live simply

turn off the tv

stop buying the magazine/movie/and, newpaper c.r.a.p.""

Thats the way, aha aha, I like it! :naughty:
well said young lady :thumb_yello:

[Steve_G]

Mods- can we have a sub-section for predictions and prophecies please? That way the people who want to go around scaring each other and/or building up false hopes can forecast to each other to their hearts' content without cluttering up the rest of the forum.

[CosmicFever]

The name of this thread, "Oct. 24: Stock Market Crash", is obviously dealing with both a date in the future and an event that hasn't occured yet. The title alone implies that there could possibly be some prophesy and/or predictions in the content. Perhaps if one is uncomfortable with that they should skip it and move on to another topic.

peace,
julie:original:

[Swanny]

Ok people,
Lets all sit down be quiet for a moment and think why we are here at this forum.
First and most important is preparation for the our bleak future.
There is no point in bickering about the stock market as the NWO have their plans in place and there is nothing you can do about it.
We should all be talking about planning and preparation not about things that are out of our hands.
It isn't just this thread either, its all the other threads too.
Nothing is happening, all I see is talk and no one asking about how to build this , were to get these supplies etc, etc.
Maybe everyone has all their **** in place and don't need anything.
When Bill and Kerry opened this forum I was exited to swap ideas and help others in anyway I could.
But this forum is very disappointing and has no purpose at all.
If this is the ground crew that is supposed to be awakened and ready then I think I am probably be one of the few left.
I see dead people every day and now I think they are also chatting on this forum too, which is a pitty.
Don't waist you time here if you are not preparing, go on holiday and enjoy your life while you still have one.
Didn't wish to sound to negative but hey I think you needed to hear it.
Peace be with you all

I think your wrong, I have found this forum very helpful and have learned a lot in the few weeks I've been here.
There is more to our lives than making physical preparations for the coming days, we also need emotional support and have spiritual needs. Great to be around people on the same wavelength.
Hopefully I have been of help in one way or another.

Thx everyone :thumb_yello:

[ctophil]

I think your wrong, I have found this forum very helpful and have learned a lot in the few weeks I've been here.
There is more to our lives than making physical preparations for the coming days, we also need emotional support and have spiritual needs. Great to be around people on the same wavelength.
Hopefully I have been of help in one way or another.

Thx everyone :thumb_yello:

I agree, Swanny. I find the Avalon forums very interesting (Camelot too for its great whistleblower interviews). The people here on Avalon updates me continuously throughout the day on breaking news (alternative and mainstream) and some "enlightened" opinions that have helped me prepared spiritually and physically for this extremely tough crisis we are going through for the next 3 - 4 years. And I can't thank you all enough! :thumb_yello:

-Phillip

[LOCOAZ2008]

READ AND THINK!!!!!

Fears of Lehman's CDS derivatives haunt markets
It is a full week after bankers gathered in New York to start sorting out the derivatives mess left by the bankruptcy of Lehman Brothers. We still do not know who is on the hook for some $360bn of default insurance, or how much they will have to pay.

Those on the wrong side of these Lehman debt contracts - known as credit default swaps (CDS) - must come up with the money by Tuesday, the next D-Day in the ever-fraught calendar of the credit markets. There has been a deafening silence so far.

http://jsmineset.com/


http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/gold-falls-4-one-month-low/story.aspx?guid={E0D556D0-8E0F-4F20-B571-725EA55BCB85}&dist=msr_1

no doubt some of that will be used to pay off Lehman-related instruments which come due on it's either the 21st or 24th....24th I think it is.

DO YOU SEE WHY DE 24.......

[Xhaosis]

predictions, are just guesses.. dreams, or even better, trying to feel deeper and more alive, in this reality that is so hollow in the flow of the mainstream, of this world we have been taught to believe. One thing or another, I have learned is just reveling in all of this. Just as Oct. 14th came to pass, with nothing, I believe their is no human being alive right now, that can tell me what is going to happen. Now as far as reading between the lines, you can read one of many things, you can see a calamity of humanity coming, you can see suffering and even war. Once the haves and have not arise we will have a big imbalance, and their will be fighting for the things that are available for survival. Just as I understand now, the money I have now is worth much more then it was just a year ago.. As far as predictions, I think those are a fools parody If you are giving divine wisdom, I suggest you keep it to yourself. Instead of spreading the great conclusion work on meditation and preparation for the things to come.. Either way nine times out of ten, people won't listen anyhow.

PEACE

[Brinty]

For those folk who have never experienced the exhilaration of a rapidly dropping stock market, here is a rather graphic picture that portrays the exact feeling. :mfr_omg:

[Knightbk]

predictions, are just guesses.. dreams, or even better, trying to feel deeper and more alive, in this reality that is so hollow in the flow of the mainstream, of this world we have been taught to believe. One thing or another, I have learned is just reveling in all of this. Just as Oct. 14th came to pass, with nothing, I believe their is no human being alive right now, that can tell me what is going to happen. Now as far as reading between the lines, you can read one of many things, you can see a calamity of humanity coming, you can see suffering and even war. Once the haves and have not arise we will have a big imbalance, and their will be fighting for the things that are available for survival. Just as I understand now, the money I have now is worth much more then it was just a year ago.. As far as predictions, I think those are a fools parody If you are giving divine wisdom, I suggest you keep it to yourself. Instead of spreading the great conclusion work on meditation and preparation for the things to come.. Either way nine times out of ten, people won't listen anyhow.

PEACE



I agree 100%.



As I posted on another thread, my Grandpa who is 90+ and lived through World War 2, the Great Depression, economic collapses in Europe, etc, etc told me that when he was growing up and living his life, there were people predicting the end of everything, on an almost daily basis and they had REAL problems back then.

He saw a german blow his brothers brains out and he saw plenty of other people killed and hung, and oh ya, they were near the point of starvation but never starved, despite Germans and Italians keeping food out of their hands and killing people who broke those laws.

People think they have "problems" these days because their 401 lost some money or they have to wait 12 years instead of 8 to buy a new car or their home lost fake value and they freak out. Go to a third world country and see what reality is.

I am not saying that things wont get worse, but the simple fact is, they may bottom out and then get much better.

Nobody knows EITHER way and analysts are only good at predicting the past after it happens I notice.

[Tuza]

Quote: 14 December 2008 --- 1260 days begin again. 2-1/2 years begin. --- World War III begins with attacks on the United States, the United Kingdom, and Israel.

Yep that just makes my day, month and year. Something to really ponder and look forward to.

As if there isn't enough dispicable acts of degeneration and sickness by humans on the earth, hey, it's not over yet folks, we have more wonderful things to look forward to.

I do believe in the Creator, angels, ETs and all the rest but sometimes I can't help thinking I would like to have a go at time travel, go back to the source and stop all experience except the positive, no fall, no nothing, that would relieve billions of living things excruciating carnate lives on earth. I can't stand even watching animal planet anymore, too upsetting.

[california]

Good post Ctophil.

Thanks for the input.

I love this kind of info! :original:

[malakai]

well I am glad for you that you have got the emotional support you need to face the coming days.
Now check them emotions at the door and start preparing phisically because time is running out and you don't want to be left with all the other chickens running around with no head on when all hell starts to break loose.
If you still think I am wrong, then unfortunatly you are a lost cause.
If you ain't a survivalist then you shouldn't be here, there are lots of other forums that will take care of all your emotional needs.
Peace and love to you all


I think your wrong, I have found this forum very helpful and have learned a lot in the few weeks I've been here.
There is more to our lives than making physical preparations for the coming days, we also need emotional support and have spiritual needs. Great to be around people on the same wavelength.
Hopefully I have been of help in one way or another.

Thx everyone :thumb_yello:

[munkey]

.
I do believe in the Creator, angels, ETs and all the rest but sometimes I can't help thinking I would like to have a go at time travel, go back to the source and stop all experience except the positive, no fall, no nothing, that would relieve billions of living things excruciating carnate lives on earth. I can't stand even watching animal planet anymore, too upsetting.

If you only experience good things, you will never truley appreciate the good.
A cracker to a starving man is a feast, yet a cracker to a full man is a waste.

I prefere to experience both good and bad so I can truley enjoy the good.
I suffer from severe dermatitis, and a good day for me is when I wake up and my hands arn't itchy and rubbed until they bleed. if you never suffered it, you would never know the joy unless you experience it.

The hardest thing in most peoples day is what they are going to wear, I missed days at work because I was unable to do up my buttons because of the swelling and bleeding.

As much as I hate the condition, in a way I am happy I experience it, because it keeps me grounded and constantly questioning every part of my life.

I know this doesn't have much to do with the stock market crash, but there are far more important things than money out there, money will not make you smile like when a baby says its first words or crawls for the first time.
Money will not make you smile because it cant crawl into your lap and just be there because of who you are.
Money can't kiss you good night and just hold you,

worry about money everyday and you become it's slave,
always remember that the univers gives you what you need when you need it, not when you want it.

[Brinty]

Good post munkey, :thumb_yello: I agree all the way. I'd like to meet the bloke that invented money and give him a good talking to :mad3: The next fellow who'd get the same treatment is the one who invented interest on money borrowed :mad3: and finally, for the turkey that invented the stock market, another dose of the same. :mad3:

Well, I probably wouldn't do any of that, but I feel a lot better after getting it off my chest. :naughty:

[Swanny]

well I am glad for you that you have got the emotional support you need to face the coming days.
Now check them emotions at the door and start preparing phisically because time is running out and you don't want to be left with all the other chickens running around with no head on when all hell starts to break loose.
If you still think I am wrong, then unfortunatly you are a lost cause.
If you ain't a survivalist then you shouldn't be here, there are lots of other forums that will take care of all your emotional needs.
Peace and love to you all

I didn't say I haven't made physical preperations, I have but there are also other forms of support here, you will need it all if the SHTF
I will survive long enough to serve my purpose, maybe all the way to the other side. :thumb_yello:

[mmerlinn]

Hey everyone,

I know some of you don't like date predictions; but this guy from the Prophecy Talk forum has been pretty much flawless about the stock markets. He makes a great case with comparisons from past market crashes since 1929. Check the thread here and read up on his prediction of an Oct. 24, 2008 Stock Market Crash months ago. Check it out: http://www.prophecytalk.com/index.php?topic=5109.0

Oct. 24 is Black Friday as he calls it. We will see what happens next Friday! Note: He did mention that it may be the following Monday or Tuesday at the latest. So don't start pounding him if Black Friday isn't the lowest drop in a century. :)

-Phillip

We will see very shortly how accurate this assessment I made last July is correct. And ANYONE who did the same research and applied it could have made the same prediction.

Isn't he off by a few weeks? Last week was black Monday, Tuesday, Wednsday, Thursday, Friday.

Actually, tomorrow is supposed to be a down day.

The prelude before the storm.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/dow-jones-bloodbath-mirroring-1929-rout.html

Thanks for the support.

Let's stop this "Prophecy" nonsense!
I'd refrain from any specific dates. Nobody knows when exactly things will happen. It is strictly speculation.

We are all watching what is happening closely and will know when or if it happens. :original:

Peace,
Ampgod

Obviously you never took the time to read my post. If you had, you would not have said, "It is strictly speculation."

No one is asking you to believe.

supposedly it's true, are you selling all your stocks now?

I have been buying puts at the tops and selling them at the lows. Currently bought one S&P put yesterday and have order in to sell it tomorrow near the projected low. If I am correct, I will sell it at over 10 times more than I paid for it. BTW, my current guess for S&P low is about 650 vs the 912 now.

In other words, I am putting my money where my mouth is. Are any of my critics here putting their money where their mouth is???

Not that im into prophecies or anything (Although I was hopeful that maybe something might occur Oct 14th) but I thought of the Half past human web-bot when I read this. If the Bible is the most common book on earth and widely available, Maybe the web bot spiders were picking up bible references from the net along with the bibles description of future events. Oct 1th - 7st 2008 is pretty good accuracy. The "release language" they found could be references in the bible to this "Great Tribulation" and our current timeline resembling bible descriptions of end times. Ive seen some of this bible stuff myself and its really accurate.

...

I think IF s*&t hits the fan it wont matter what you have invested and when to take it out. Money will be the last thing on our minds when we switch to survival mode.


Most of the research I did to make the Bible post was accumulated over a period of 40 years. Until April 2005 I was not able to put it together to make any sense whatsoever. What I have posted 3 months ago was mainly put together on 21 April 2005 and fleshed out in July when I posted them at these links.

I cant understand/believe that gordon brown sold all our gold when the price was really low :mad3:

Ditto when Australia dumped their gold years ago.

Are people asleep?
The stock market has already crashed.

A "crash" doesn't mean that it goes from X to 0, it just means that a large amount of wealth is lost, and that has already happened, at a greater degree overall than the Great Depression.

China and Russia are already both off by 50% and North America (TST, DOW) are off 35-40%.

The DOW doesn't need to go down any further to cause calamity because it ALREADY crashed and the consequences of that will be filter down to Main Street in greater number next year.

So this entire prophecy of a new "market crash" is really just a bunch of bs, because it already crashed. A few more points is irrelevant.

Just because a market is down 40% does not mean we have had a crash. A crash is when people are trying to get out of the market at ANY price, in other words a PANIC. We have not had a panic yet in this downdraft. I expect one tomorrow. We will see how close I am. For estimated numbers go back and read the followups to my original post.

And there is NOTHING 'new' about this prediction. Go read the original link and PAY PARTICULAR ATTENTION TO WHEN IT WAS POSTED. Then show me ANYONE ELSE at the SAME time OR BEFORE that made the same prognosis. Also note that I have said that I could have posted it as early as [21] April 2005, but did not - I know that is unprovable, but still true.

It wont go down much lower. 5000 or so max, which is already a calamity.

You may be correct, but 6000 or so TOMORROW from 8600 today WOULD be a calamity.

Prophecy (pra-fo-see) An event or events that two or more people agree on ahead of time.

Self Fullfilled Prophecy: One or more nuts decide to make something happen because a bunch of people believe it will take place.

peace,
julie:original:

ROFLOL.

The name of this thread, "Oct. 24: Stock Market Crash", is obviously dealing with both a date in the future and an event that hasn't occured yet. The title alone implies that there could possibly be some prophesy and/or predictions in the content. Perhaps if one is uncomfortable with that they should skip it and move on to another topic.

peace,
julie:original:

Very good point.

predictions, are just guesses.. dreams, or even better, ...

Either way nine times out of ten, people won't listen anyhow.

PEACE

Most predictions are pulled out of a magician's hat, rabbit and all. Mine was not. It is the result of research and believing that history repeats itself. Does that make it correct? Of course not. But predictions based on fact can be correct a high percentage of the time, whereas other predictions have the statistical odds against them so high that they seldom come true.

More like 99,999 out of 100,000 times or worse that people ignore.


Nobody knows EITHER way and analysts are only good at predicting the past after it happens I notice.

By definition analysts analyze AFTER THE FACT. They would not be analysts if they could predict the future.

**************

In a few hours, or days at most, we will see if the research and application of it again holds up under the scrutiny of real life.

[Sarahmay]

Mmerlin, very interesting about your prediction. I won't be too surprised if it happens...but I also wouldn't be surprised at a slower downturn. Either way, down it will go....

[warrenog]

Ok, I will be the first to admit I know nothing about the stock market and have only come to really TRY to understand it over the last couple of months and after listening to some posts by camelot. My question, is what exactly do you think will trigger this significant drop? Just a question.

[eugene_vn]

I don't happen to use biblical prophecy to make stock market forecasts (though I readily admit it might be as accurate as any of a number of other methods), but the timing of Oct. 24 for a major market decline ("crash" if you prefer) seems about right to me.

As Knightbk points out, at this point, words like "crash" are relative. The stock market is already around 40% below its all-time peak. We are headed down to at least 1800 on the Dow and quite possibly, just triple digits. We will get there not in a day, but over a few years, in a process of many days of 3-5% declines, punctuated by occasional (and steep) rallies to the upside.

My next near-term downside target is 6800-7000 on the Dow. I wouldn't be surprised to see it go quite a bit lower. However, following that decline, we should see a sustained rally back up to the 8800-9000 level, possibly even shooting as high as 10,000. Therefore, whatever "crash" may occur on or around Oct. 24 should be seen as one of many sharp drops, rather than as a mammoth one-time event.

While a nimble trader could theoretically make a good profit going long at 7000 and selling at 9000 on the Dow, in reality, it's far too risky that (s)he would get run over by the great bear market. The strategy of buying put options discussed above on this thread can be a good option for savvy traders, but at some point, many of the brokerage houses themselves are going to go broke (no pun intended), and so even if your online trading account shows you as "having" hundreds of thousands of dollars, you could still find yourself getting stiffed by your bankrupt broker when you want to convert those computer entries into real money, i.e. gold.

[ctophil]

We will see very shortly how accurate this assessment I made last July is correct. And ANYONE who did the same research and applied it could have made the same prediction.


Hi mmerlinn,

Thanks for clearing up things in this forum and especially my own thread. Yesterday, we all saw a huge stock market decline, and the Nasdaq and S&P 500 hit new rock-bottom records! And today, we are seeing some extreme ups and downs. At this moment, the stocks are going down again. These are all precursors to perhaps what will happen tomorrow (October 24). Overnight, we also saw massive declines in the Asian markets. So everybody...hold on tight for a wild ride this weekend!

-Phillip

[warrenog]

Ok, here is another question to which I cannot find an answer. I have read article after article about derivatives, collapse of the dollar, etc. Can it be explained to me on an elementary level what a derivative is and how it works?
Also, how does it affect the dollar?

[mmerlinn]

Ok, I will be the first to admit I know nothing about the stock market and have only come to really TRY to understand it over the last couple of months and after listening to some posts by camelot. My question, is what exactly do you think will trigger this significant drop? Just a question.

No idea.

However, a someone dropped a dollar bill on the stock market trading floor yesterday and it caused a STAMPEDE. Fortunately no one got hurt though it is known that the dollar bill changed hands at least 65 times before it disappeared.

Something as simple as that could be the trigger for a stock market panic.

[ctophil]

No idea.

However, a someone dropped a dollar bill on the stock market trading floor yesterday and it caused a STAMPEDE. Fortunately no one got hurt though it is known that the dollar bill changed hands at least 65 times before it disappeared.

Something as simple as that could be the trigger for a stock market panic.

What in the world? A one dollar bill? How greedy can you get? If a dollar bill can cause that, what would a hundred dollar bill do? I guess I should experiment.... Anyways, I look forward to a dollar crash more than a stock market crash. Because this dollar rallying bit is really getting on my nerves. The world's currencies all pretty much declining while the dollar goes higher than ever. People won't wake up until the dollar gets a hit. Because no one can afford anything. It's a much bigger deal than a stock market crash for main street in my opinion and quicker too.

-Phillip

[samncheese]

The Markets will muddle along until they get the rest of the taxpayers money....they only got a portion of the 700 bil.

[warrenog]

You made me smile on that one mmerlinn.

[mmerlinn]

What in the world? A one dollar bill? How greedy can you get? If a dollar bill can cause that, what would a hundred dollar bill do? I guess I should experiment.... Anyways, I look forward to a dollar crash more than a stock market crash. Because this dollar rallying bit is really getting on my nerves. The world's currencies all pretty much declining while the dollar goes higher than ever. People won't wake up until the dollar gets a hit. Because no one can afford anything. It's a much bigger deal than a stock market crash for main street in my opinion and quicker too.

-Phillip

Was probably more along the line of "I have never seen one of these before. WHAT IS IT???"

[mmerlinn]

Ok, I will be the first to admit I know nothing about the stock market and have only come to really TRY to understand it over the last couple of months and after listening to some posts by camelot. My question, is what exactly do you think will trigger this significant drop? Just a question.

Here is something to consider:

http://jessescrossroadscafe.blogspot.com/2008/10/buyers-of-treasuries-cannot-take.html

And this could be the straw that broke the camel's back.

Massive failure to deliver would DRAMATICALLY push the market DOWN.

So would massive dumping of treasuries.

*************

Oops. Did not realize I double posted here until too late.

[elka]

I am happy to see you at this forum mmerlinn!

I read your whole prediction information and I want to say I really admire your work!

Most of people, I have noticed, are in a complete state of denial, they want to push away any warning them information they get!
They want to live in their little unrealistic worlds and believe anything unreal, but the truth is to hard to swallow for them!

The warnings from whistle blowers they call fear mongering!
The prophecies they are told they lough about, but the insane media and even more outrageous informations from fake prophets like Zacharia Sitchin they accept as absolute truth!

Thank you mmarlinn for your interesting take on a possible future events!.I do take them seriously, and for the last 2 years I made many steps to protect myself and my family from coming events!!

Now everybody is asking: How did you know!!( I sold my house 2 years ago for an absolute awesome price).
I simply researched on the information that many calls fear mongering!

[Knightbk]

There will not be a crash tomorrow.

It will go down 300-400 points, that is it.

[warrenog]

Thanks mmerlin for the info on derivatives. If I understand this info correctly from my first read, this stuff sounds very risky at best.

[IronWoman]

Happy birthday. Hope it will be a good one. Mine is 2 days later. Will the stock market have crashed by then? I don't think so!
my dog's b-day is on the 27th hehe =)

[warngen]

on Oct. 24, there will be -11- days till election. Any significance.

[munkey]

on Oct. 24, there will be -11- days till election. Any significance.

11 days will make it a Tuesday
9/11 happened on a tuesday
november is the 11th month
2 candidates is 1+1 = 11

just messing with ya.
I don't know of any connection really. :tongue2:

does show how easy it is to work out patterns though, doesn't it?

[Noela]

George Green is saying the Stock Market may go below 5000. There is a new audio by him on Project Cameot. He is the man who is up to date on the financial situation. Bill Ryan put up a post regarding the latest audio, and I have also drawn attention previously to this, but nobody as yet seems to have taken this up - at least I have been waiting for some comments on the George Green audio and have found none to date. Disappointing.

Noela

[eugene_vn]

It looks like Friday Oct. 24 will indeed be a big down day for U.S. stocks. . . Asian sessions just finished with losses in the 8-11% range in Japan, Korea, Singapore. European futures are way down so if France/Germany/UK tank today, I'm sure the Dow will follow suit. I believe 7600 would be the point on the Dow at which they would have to temporarily halt trading today if it gets really ugly.

George Green's estimate of 3500 as a bottom for the Dow is far too optimistic - this market would be lucky to bottom at 1800 and will probably go much further.

The good news is that gold is continuing to fall below $700 and will continue to do so for a while. We should be seeing gold at $600-650 in the next few weeks. That's really good news for those still needing to get out of cash and acquire some of the stuff.

[Xammy]

what sorry but I dont get it eugene, are you gonna eat that gold or what? Make happy golden pancakes? With silver syrup perhaps, hmm? :wall:

[eugene_vn]

Good point, Xammy (but only up to a point). It's important to keep in mind that the whole purpose of staying solvent in the economic crisis is to maintain our practical freedom to be creative and loving. Poverty and destitution make it difficult to maximize our contributions to our families and society.

In reality, it's unfortunate that most wealthy people do not use their wealth to release their creativity, but instead. . . just use it to create more wealth and power. Perhaps you could look at it this way: With an adequate amount of real money (i.e. gold) at the height of the crisis, you might be able to help a friend, family member, or complete stranger whom you really want to help. Sure, there are kinds of help that can be extended which don't require money, but unfortunately most all material things like food, shelter, and medicine are still going to cost money during the crisis.

As for what I'm going to eat. . . well I do make some mean flapjacks but I'll probably stick with rice, spinach, and salted fish like most of my neighbors.

[kem]

Hello,

The French CAC 40 is down by 7% in less than 2 hours... wondering if it'll get worse...i'm waiting for the US stock market opening.

Whatever happens, good job mmerlinn.

[Knightbk]

Good point, Xammy (but only up to a point). It's important to keep in mind that the whole purpose of staying solvent in the economic crisis is to maintain our practical freedom to be creative and loving. Poverty and destitution make it difficult to maximize our contributions to our families and society.


Yes, because a stock market crash being cheered on here is going to make everybody creative and loving.

[eugene_vn]

Yeah, you can monitor the European composite "Stoxx" index here: http://www.marketwatch.com/quotes/?sid=124843 . Down 10% and falling like a rock. Looks like we might actually have temporary suspensions of trading in some of the major European markets today. Good grief. . .

[eugene_vn]

And now the Dow futures are indicating that if trading were to hypothetically open now (I write this at around 6 a.m. NY time), the market would already have met a key exchange-set limit for losses! That would be quite a situation, if trading had to be halted for the mandatory hour just a few minutes into the start of trading.

[borrasca2012]

...o yes, this was right:mad3:

[aiwass322]

Swedish OMX stock exchange dropped 8.3% in 3 hours!
You might know of the american owned swedish car manufacturer Volvo. So far they have fired thousands of people. And more was announced yesterday. Keep in mind that Sweden is a small country with 9 million people. Per capita this is huge!

Our local analysts predicted a very BAD day for NASDAQ and Dow Jones. And now the limit for free fall was reached around 11.30. This is confirmed by Bloomberg and others.

If this is it people, then lets get our s**t together and start working towards the common goal. If the markets crash then it is obvious that other parts of the shadowplay is set into motion. Keep a positive mind and do what is best of the current situation.

Love is the law...

[eugene_vn]

Just to add some balance, it's likely that the market will rally to around 9000 next week. . . so for all of Friday's gloom and doom, the fact of the matter is that stocks will probably be trading higher at some point next week than they are today.

That rally will be short-lived, however, and in November the whole thing should continue collapsing at even a steeper pace than we have seen over the past month.

[CosmicFever]

FOX Breaking News: Dow Futures Plunge 550 Points, Hit Sell-Off Limit

peace,
julie

[CosmicFever]

http://www.foxbusiness.com/story/markets/futures-plummet-ugly-day-street-expected/

[aiwass322]

Just to add some balance, it's likely that the market will rally to around 9000 next week. . . so for all of Friday's gloom and doom, the fact of the matter is that stocks will probably be trading higher at some point next week than they are today.

That rally will be short-lived, however, and in November the whole thing should continue collapsing at even a steeper pace than we have seen over the past month.

This is true. The mechanics of a crash can be studied in history.

http://www.bullinvestors.com/images/graphic_chart_crash29.gif

[trip]

Thanks for this post.

Now to all the posts so far in this thread the following:

Yes financial markets have lost already some 20 to 30 up to 70% depending which index you look at but lets focus on Dow Jones

Dow Jones lost some 25% the last couple of weeks and this is just the beginning. This is how real stock market crashes start. Dow Jones has been kept for so much too long time at this unjustified high level. FED and government just did everything including big manipulation programms.

Now lets compare a bit:

- With the Nikkei which was roughly at 40'000 points in 1989 is trading at roughly 8000 today almost 20 years later.

- in 1929-31 market was down by 90%, so there is some room left for Dow Jones to go much much lower.

- Crude oil is down ....oooh yes it has to at least until elections in the US are through, actually at the Bilderberg meeting this year the illuminatis decided to bring down crude oil close to 50 before elections and after let it go up to 500!!!!

- Now many analysts argue that sinking crude oil price and looming global recession will result in deflation!?! What about the trillions that will pumb into the system? This is big time inflation.


So what is my scenario:

- Crude will go down further making everybody believe we have deflation
- This supports the USD
- Then a little war against Iran initated by Israel
- This makes the crude oil price shooting up to any level above USD 200
- This will kill Dow Jones and as soon Dow Jones and all the bombed out stocks trade another 60 to 80% lower, the Buffets, Bushs, Rockefeller, Rothschilds starts to buy stocks again (by the way, right now they manipulate down the gold price, that all illuminati-freemasons-Rothschilds-etc.) can buy cheap gold
- why they buy gold?
- because they know that when the crude oil price goes up towards 200 again, the dollar will fall and gold will go ballistic
- why will gold go ballistic?
- because they stop manipulating gold and start talking about gold-standard (actually this discussion started already in Europe)
- Why gold?
- Because of the AMERO which will be backed or partially backed by the 9000 tons of gold the US still have....


I believe this is what we will see within the next 3 to 6 months!

Cheers, silverman
:thumb_yello:


would gold soar first or stock markets crash?. based on the above, we should pump some money into the dow when it sinks and buy gold after selling stocks when it rises. because it seems that is what they are doing?

[PTTurboe]

This is bad!!!!!!!!!!!!

Get cash out today.

I am heading to the grocery store!!!!!

[elka]

the prediction is realizing so far in Asia and Europe!

The American stock market - we don't know, but it's obvious it's rigged anyway, so they maybe will keep it up untill elections!!!!

[aiwass322]

WTF!!!!

Super analyst / strategist mentions Illuminati as a blame for this mess!
3:05 into this clip! Just watch the d**n thing!!

http://www.cnbc.com/id/15840232?video=902540383&play=1

[Sarahmay]

Yes, because a stock market crash being cheered on here is going to make everybody creative and loving.

Exactly, Knightbk!! :sleep_1:

[feardia]

Nice one, FTSE down 8% to about 3700, they didn't think it would go below 4000 this week. whatever happened to that 400 trillion the americans gave them? Maybe they need more?:original:

[Reader]

Black Friday has begun.......
Futures Market Suspended already, DOW likely to suspend today also

[eaglespirit]

WoooHooooooo!!!

Let's finally get this over with!

Time to move on into an entirely "ethical" mode of living in the now!

And "now" that the "dow" is going, going, gonnnnnnne...this happening is simply a metaphor of the third kind!


We can now get on with helping one another by ways and means of the heart and not the purse, for the purse-strings of control are about to ALL snap loose from the weight of disgusting, hideous deceit...and there will NOT be panic except by the control-mongers twists of usual deception on the media. They are already running scared and will have to face their own worst enemy...themselves.

Good people in the military and government and state will be turning from what they do 'enmasse-' and will have not a thing to do with any of it if they cannot change it to right-side up ethical method and behavior and action in the now!

Simply Be the Best YOU You Can Be!

Onward and Upward into a New Dawn!

http://www.homeworship101.com/images/earth_new_dawn.jpg

[Xhaosis]

Don't forget....


We are the minority...

I am still praying we are all wrong..

[aiwass322]

WoooHooooooo!!!

Let's finally get this over with!

Time to move on into an entirely "ethical" mode of living in the now!

And "now" that the "dow" is going, going, gonnnnnnne...this happening is simply a metaphor of the third kind!


We can now get on with helping one another by ways and means of the heart and not the purse, for the purse-strings of control are about to ALL snap loose from the weight of disgusting, hideous deceit...and there will NOT be panic except by the control-mongers twists of usual deception on the media. They are already running scared and will have to face their own worst enemy...themselves.

Good people in the military and government and state will be turning from what they do 'enmasse-' and will have not a thing to do with any of it if they cannot change it to right-side up ethical method and behavior and action in the now!

Simply Be the Best YOU You Can Be!

Onward and Upward into a New Dawn!

http://www.homeworship101.com/images/earth_new_dawn.jpg

I could not agree with you more eaglespirit! I HOPE this is how things will unfold.

But please read my post above. Maybe in the US they mention the Illuminati all the time on MAJOR broadcasting network. But a publicity slip-up of this magnitude is insane for a scandinavian like me.

Ofcourse you are all aware of the powers at be. But do they talk about these kind of things often on TV over there?

[dreb13]

In my head, I keep hearing that Yodel from the Price is Right Game "Cliff Hanger" while watching the market drop wondering if it will stop somewhere or fall off of the cliff.

http://priceisrightyodel.ytmnd.com/

[optimistic]

In my head, I keep hearing that Yodel from the Price is Right Game "Cliff Hanger" while watching the market drop wondering if it will stop somewhere or fall off of the cliff.

http://priceisrightyodel.ytmnd.com/

:mfr_lol:

[Exarx]

The current monetary system needs to go, hopefully this is the indication that it is happening.
The Mayacalendar says that we are in an age where all the secrets will unfold.

[aiwass322]

WTF!!!!

Super analyst / strategist mentions Illuminati as a blame for this mess!
3:05 into this clip! Just watch the d**n thing!!

http://www.cnbc.com/id/15840232?video=902540383&play=1

Well it is kind of a Ego ****** up thing to QUOTE yourself.
But at least someone else is paying attention to what I just saw:

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread404610/pg1

[Exarx]

It is indeed interesting that the illuminati is mentioned, they will be dragged into the abyss with the fall of the economy im sure of.
Most likely many is tired of their terror and put them into daylight so all people will know of them soon.

[aiwass322]

It obviously takes a swede to reply to a swede!
Im not so sure. Im thinking about propabilites and possibilities to the slip up.

1. NWO just dont care. The economic collapse will give them all the mandate that they need to execute their plans. They dont need to nuke or destroy **** after that. Once this is done, they can find scapegoats that "made the economy collapse" under false-flag terrorist propaganda. Or they might have more false flag **** going our way... who knows ...

2. The guy (Jeff?) that mentioned this is disinformationist and a "fear monger" agent, spinning on the commonly known theories of our movement. His purpose being to plant seeds of civil unrest. And we know what will happen if that sparks up in the US....

3. I am paranoid over a simple freudian slip on a big network broadcast...

But anyhow, this is a BIG step from hearing indie radio stations talking about the NWO as a governing body and hearing it on a NWO owned network.

[Exarx]

i never intepreted it as a slip of tounge but rather that he was rather upset with illuminati doing this **** and that we have to pay for it. But that was from my view of course, with english not being my native language.

I strongly beleive that we will hear more interesting news regarding many secrets that have been held from us so we can take down the illuminati, it has been done once before in the states and we can do it again, hopefully rid them from all of us once and for all.

[aiwass322]

"Tounge slip" is my label to this event for the moment. :original:

And as you say Exarx. Hopefully more straight talking about the Illuminati will follow.

Amen-Ra!!!!

[eaglespirit]

It obviously takes a swede to reply to a swede!
Im not so sure. Im thinking about propabilites and possibilities to the slip up.

1. NWO just dont care. The economic collapse will give them all the mandate that they need to execute their plans. They dont need to nuke or destroy **** after that. Once this is done, they can find scapegoats that "made the economy collapse" under false-flag terrorist propaganda. Or they might have more false flag **** going our way... who knows ...

2. The guy (Jeff?) that mentioned this is disinformationist and a "fear monger" agent, spinning on the commonly known theories of our movement. His purpose being to plant seeds of civil unrest. And we know what will happen if that sparks up in the US....

3. I am paranoid over a simple freudian slip on a big network broadcast...

But anyhow, this is a BIG step from hearing indie radio stations talking about the NWO as a governing body and hearing it on a NWO owned network.

Hi Aiwass322, How are You?

I was away from the computer...just came back on and saw this.

I personally feel that more and more people are simply NOT listening to the lies anymore and are beginning to connect to their OWN inner knowing...at least many people in my life in front of me are doing just that. So I am sharing from personal experience.

The WHOLE facade is coming down, right now!

We are re-learning to help ourselves help ourselves out of this mess!

There IS a mass-consciousness of connection and change taking place in the now, worldwide...and THAT is changing EVERYTHING.

The ptb can NO LONGER hold onto our shirt tails and drag us down...
We are pulling away en-masse!

Many of Us will be living on "prana" soon...and I mean that from my heart...as in it IS already occurring and that "prana" sustenance will get stronger and stronger in the months to come as more of Us tune into the energy that is getting stronger all around Us.

This kind of "out there" talk that I am sharing is going to become more commonplace in our lives...and it already has in my own life...and it has pleasantly surprised me in alot of instances with certain people in my life that are simply changing and adjusting and adapting and connecting to this wonderful energy and consciousness strentghening around the world!
http://www.zappos.com/boutiques/2219/Prana_main.jpg

///////
Originally Posted by eaglespirit:

WoooHooooooo!!!

Let's finally get this over with!

Time to move on into an entirely "ethical" mode of living in the now!

And "now" that the "dow" is going, going, gonnnnnnne...this happening is simply a metaphor of the third kind!


We can now get on with helping one another by ways and means of the heart and not the purse, for the purse-strings of control are about to ALL snap loose from the weight of disgusting, hideous deceit...and there will NOT be panic except by the control-mongers twists of usual deception on the media. They are already running scared and will have to face their own worst enemy...themselves.

Good people in the military and government and state will be turning from what they do 'enmasse-' and will have not a thing to do with any of it if they cannot change it to right-side up ethical method and behavior and action in the now!

Simply Be the Best YOU You Can Be!

Onward and Upward into a New Dawn!

http://www.homeworship101.com/images/earth_new_dawn.jpg

[aiwass322]

Hey there eaglespirit!

Im doing fine. The old age is crashin and the masks are falling. I am very excited. And right now it is 5 o´clock in the afternoon here so that means it is time for a beer. :roftl:

I am with you all the way. My analytic comments might seem very "earth bound" but I feel you in what you are talking about.

Being the practical creature that I am, there is still alot of work to do here in the North. By waking people up that is. To all dimensions of conciousness.
So I am a bit coloured by that fact. But it sounds great that so many around you are tuning in to their heart chakra ...

Love is the Law ...

[Xhaosis]

Now is the time to regain consciousness. Awaken, and see the World.. Not the World the way they demand you to see it, but your way.. Look over there, behind the curtain, is a little man, with a big idea... The question remains the same.. can you hear the banging, or not. wake up time... I suppose we are who we are now.. Not who we are told to be..

[nirvanapirate]

Yea the stock market opened down this morning, and was only 200 points away from 8000 early in the morning.

Yes, let's refrain from banking on future predictions.. but some of these have merits, and there are always positive things you be doing in your life to continue working out of the system.

[Xhaosis]

ah indeed. that snooze bar looks yummy...

[elka]

If the stock market in America will end up positive today, then
I am absolutely sure, it's completely rigged!

They will manipulate it till elections, and then let it collapse!

Very sad!:sad:

[aiwass322]

:rasta: 4:20 :rasta:

I would trade a sixpack for a little piece of whatever ganja you carry! :smoke:

[mmerlinn]

There will not be a crash tomorrow.

It will go down 300-400 points, that is it.

At 15 minutes before the close, it looks like you are correct for today.

And I turned out to be wrong 3 months ago even though this is the lowest close so far. However, earlier this month I posted this (http://www.prophecytalk.com/index.php?topic=5109.37):

One last note. The high I expected on the last day of August actually occured on the next business day, Tuesday after Labor Day. As a result, there is a slim chance that the 24th may not be the low. Instead, the day of the crash could be the following Monday or Tuesday.

[Xhaosis]

hmmm... Free market still alive and well...



DISSSSSSSSSMMMISSSSSSSSSEEEEEEEEEEEEEDDDDDDDDDDDDD DDDDD..


Enough of this Nosterdamis BULL ****...


Woke up from my nap thinking Armageddon was here... :tongue2:

Think its time for you guys to go find a job, instead of posting so much bs 24 hours a day, on this Good alternative news site...

enough perdictions already..:tongue2:

[ctophil]

At 15 minutes before the close, it looks like you are correct for today.

And I turned out to be wrong 3 months ago even though this is the lowest close so far. However, earlier this month I posted this (http://www.prophecytalk.com/index.php?topic=5109.37):

You might not be wrong. The stock markets are rigged and can change on its collapse at ANY time! The Illuminati are known to change things (based on changing times) so they can better shift their agenda. The Illuminati are
powerful (when I say powerful, I mean to speak the truth and not underestimating the enemies. I never exalt the enemy.) but are not perfect. Only Yahweh Elohim is good and perfect. They have to change their plans accordingly all the time. Keep this in mind.

-Phillip

[borrasca2012]

....pay me pay me pay me my money down,lalalalallaall

they just take back what bushi was in dept


the illus are making much money now with the crash and after......



the only one who loose money are the small people on the street

like you and me........we will pay for it......:mad3:


......... one step closer to the NWO.............:trumpet:



....and u know what, i"m NOT afraid of it, hehe

[ralok_j]

At 15 minutes before the close, it looks like you are correct for today.

And I turned out to be wrong 3 months ago even though this is the lowest close so far. However, earlier this month I posted this (http://www.prophecytalk.com/index.php?topic=5109.37):

Blossom, is that you? :naughty:

[capreycorn]

"BLOODY FRIDAY" (october 24 2008)
according to wikipedia ?!!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stock_market_crash

[micjer]

"BLOODY FRIDAY" (october 24 2008)
according to wikipedia ?!!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stock_market_crash

Man that was added fast the day isn't even over yet!:roll1:

[Knightbk]

At 15 minutes before the close, it looks like you are correct for today.

And I turned out to be wrong 3 months ago even though this is the lowest close so far. However, earlier this month I posted this (http://www.prophecytalk.com/index.php?topic=5109.37):

It isn't about you being right or wrong, anybody can see that things are going to get worse before they get better, that is the nature of a recession.

The problem with your predictions is that you take an extreme pessimistic view to everything (IMO) and that leaves you open to a lot of problems, the closer we get to the bottom.

Like it or not, the world isn't going to come to an end or turn into a Weimer Republic, the Politicians have a lot of tools at their disposal to keep that from happening, even if what they do is totally illusionary...

In my view, the Market is a bunch of BS anyways and governed more by the overall cycle Positive and Negative emotions than any underlying market fundamentals. If the Market Fundamentals actually mattered, the DOW never would have broken 8000 or 9000 in the first place and our market booms and busts would be much rarer.

It is clear most of the traders on Wall Street watch CNN, FOX, MSNBC and a few other sites for their "news" and react on that, not on any fundamentals, thus they are pulled by the nose by positive and negative emotion, not balance sheets.

Oil is a prime example of this. It shot up to $150 this summer due to speculation only and it is going down to negative speculation. OPEC wants to bump their price right now, but we are in a negative cycle. For them to get the price up, they need to do such a cut that it shocks the negative downward spiral into an upward spiral. Good luck with that. They cant stomach a cut of 10mbpd either.

I do believe that once the Election is over, a lot of negativity that is out there will finally come to an end because you wont have the two Parties telling people "VOTE FOR ME OR THE WORLD WILL END!". At that point, things will become slightly more "stable", as that political factor will be removed.

So do I think that we are in for Happy Days in 6 months? Nope.

I think that we are headed for 2-3 rough years and the DOW will go down further and probably bottom out in the 5000-6000 range.

However, history has shown in the past that the greatest amount of fear always happens as the DOW nears its bottom, just like the greatest amount of hype always happens as the DOW nears its top.

I am also a big believer in self preservation. The idiots on Wall Street, Main Street and 1600 Pennsylvania Ave will work out something, even if its illusionary because at the end of the day, that is all our current system is:
A series of crisis and calm periods.

[alice goes nuts....]

but what the big deal in the end, everyone saw this coming, now consentrate on how things will be in the future, now is time to start think about new sytems and how to not obey to this **** again, in another form, that seem tempting....people mist start small, not go into big sytems that semm to fit well.....this is about all this grouping activity....people must start small economical systems themself....
and the oppertunity will be there if a real collapse with starving etc comes up....people must learn to cooperate, do not make business with what you have left....then you start feeding this **** monster again....

i hope for a little more crack and wise people with cooparative ways of thinking.....so.....lets hope hard!!!

[Knightbk]

but what the big deal in the end, everyone saw this coming, now consentrate on how things will be in the future, now is time to start think about new sytems and how to not obey to this **** again, in another form, that seem tempting....people mist start small, not go into big sytems that semm to fit well.....this is about all this grouping activity....people must start small economical systems themself....
and the oppertunity will be there if a real collapse with starving etc comes up....people must learn to cooperate, do not make business with what you have left....then you start feeding this **** monster again....

i hope for a little more crack and wise people with cooparative ways of thinking.....so.....lets hope hard!!!


Depressions are always times of political and systemic change. These changes can be bad or good.

What we are going through now is a recession that will be sustained. The end result is millions will lose jobs, prices will come down, systems will collapse.

Out of the ashes, a new world will rise. It could be a good new world or a bad new world.

It depends on the mob and the change they demand.

[mmerlinn]

I just realized something.

This thread has been up 8 days. It has had 8465 views or over 1000 views per day.

Only other thread in the Economy and Currency subforum with a higher view count has 9935 views over a period of at least 18 days or roughly 500 per day. And soon this thread will pass it.

Hey everyone,

I know some of you don't like date predictions; ...

-Phillip

Makes me wonder where all of the views came from since some (a lot of?) people "seem" to hate date predictions.

[ctophil]

Hi everybody,

What I find interesting is that the day after mmerlinn's prediction (October 25), we find a lot of major, major problems in the world markets.

Here in the "Economy and Currency" section, somebody else posted this news tidbit about what's going on today, which is quite major in my opinion: http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=6108

And then, China (a scary world superpower) said that everyone must banish or stop using the dollar as a world trade currency. They are blaming the U.S. for starting this "economic collapse." They are advising the Europeans to get together with them to start trading with their own currencies....no more dollars!! When this happens, we are in BIG trouble!!!
Check it out here: http://www.reuters.com/article/GCA-CreditCrisis/idUSTRE49N1XX20081024

So, mmerlinn's prediction may be more accurate than you guys thought. Actually, it's more of a global market collapse than just a U.S. one. There is something massive going on here right after Friday. They are just not telling us directly.

Some additional stuff from Half Past Human. They are saying the last Mondays of October are never a good time for stocks. So we may see something on Monday as well. Remember what mmerlinn said...he said that the lowest of lows in the markets may be Monday or Tuesday at the latest. Take those words for what they are worth. HPH also talked about there might be a dollar collapse because of the China article I posted above. Also keep in mind that stock market crashes normally happen in October as well. Next week is the last week of this month....go figure.

HPH Saturday update: http://www.urbansurvival.com/week.htm

-Phillip

[mmerlinn]

What I find interesting is that the day after mmerlinn's prediction (October 25), we find a lot of major, major problems in the world markets.

-Phillip

I have been closely monitoring the markets for the last three trading days. The U.S. markets seem to be 'controlled' to me, like someone is trying to prevent a collapse.

U.S. markets have been dropping in seemingly measured drops while the rest of the markets around the world have been dropping in the double digits. Overnight the Japanese markets hit a 26-year low. And our markets are marginally down??? No way.

After thinking about it, I am beginning to wonder if those billions of bailout dollars given to the banks are being used to prop up our markets. No way of finding out, but could be. The problem is that this is much much bigger than that paltry 700 billion. Sooner or later, the money propping up this market will run out, and we will have AN EVEN WORSE CORRECTION. As to when, that is anyone's guess, but the way the overseas markets are acting, it should be VERY soon.

[Exarx]

Im thinking in the same line as you mmerlinn. The big crash will come very soon indeed i think.

[elka]

halo mmarlinn,

I am absolutely sure the stock market in US is manipulated, and that trend will continue till elections.

For one reason or another, it's important for PTB to keep the illusion going till the votes are cast.

Then, this administration can also blame everything on the new president.
Better image for the son, isn't it?

[ctophil]

halo mmarlinn,

I am absolutely sure the stock market in US is manipulated, and that trend will continue till elections.

For one reason or another, it's important for PTB to keep the illusion going till the votes are cast.

Then, this administration can also blame everything on the new president.
Better image for the son, isn't it?

Steve Quayle talks about what may happen right after the elections here (.mp3 link): http://www.stevequayle.com/qf_october_24_2008.mp3

It's an interesting update to what is going on now, each and every day in the Great Tribulation.

-Phillip

[mmerlinn]

Well, the crash I was expecting did not happen as I expected.

Looking at the charts, we did make a yearly low on Monday, 27 October 2008, but it was a long drawn out measured low. Why? All I can think of is that maybe the billions given to the banks was used to prop up the market. No idea for sure.

On the 24th when I got up EVERYTHING overnight pointed to a MAJOR down day that day. The major indices were lock limit down, 60 for the S&P, 550 for the Dow, and I don't remember how much for the NASDAQ. And overnight, markets around the world were down down down.

Based on the last time there was such an occurance (Black Monday 1987), I was sure the markets were opening lower and going down down down as I predicted 3 months ago. Instead, the S&P and Dow open UP while the NASDAQ opened 100 points down. By the end of the day things were pretty much unchanged from Thursday. Monday saw a big sell off right on the close, making yearly lows. I had expected it to follow thru Tuesday. Nope. Opened up Tuesday and halfway through the day ROCKETED up, some 90 points on S&P and almost 900 points on the Dow.

Now the question is, "Why?" It is beginning to look like the Federal Government has decided that it is better to print more money and ARTIFICIALLY prop up the markets. If that is true, then I have to assume that the expected 2000 point drop in the Dow extrapolates into a 25% INFLATION prop. If so, when we look back in history minus the inflation we might STILL see that we had a crash on Monday. Only time will tell.

So, if the Fed did that, what can we expect? One of the biggest bull markets in history. However, if adjusted for the expected inflation, it will be one of the biggest bear markets in history.

How much inflation? Don't know, but based on the 1929 market slide, I think it will require a MINIMUM of 300% PER YEAR, or 25% per MONTH. Bottom line, literal WHEELBARROWS of money for a loaf of bread.

Think it can't happen? Look at this link: (http://www.boncherry.com/blog/2008/10/26/global-crisis-this-is-the-real-crisis). This is the HERE and NOW in Zimbabwe. If what I suspect is true about the crash being inflated out of existence, THEN WHAT YOU SEE THERE IS COMING TO AMERICA. Such a scenario WILL destroy what is left of our economy - No business will be able to keep up with HOURLY changes in prices. And those that don't will go bankrupt.

So, watch the financial markets. If the current bear markets suddenly turn bullish and then seem to go up with no top in sight, dig out your wheelbarrow because you ARE going to NEED it.

[Swanny]

I was wondering what was happening, all seems to be on the up again.

[Antztudio]

Just wondering how you feel now that Oct 24th came.....and went....And NO crash:sleep_1:

[Steve_A]

Hi Swanny,

All that seems is not always the truth.

I must say although I was suprised to see the rally, I wasn't shocked.

Over the last couple of days the US government pumped another 300b in the markets to help the banks out.

What does that mean?

Well in the short term it means that the banks have more liquidity, but the underlying truth is that the first installment made a couple of weeks ago didn't do the job.

So we need to ask ourselves what will be necessary to help avoid a crisis. Pump more money into the markets? Where does the money come from?

The US government I think on Monday wanted even more money by way of a second 'stimulous' package. Where does the money come from?

We also have to take into consideration that there is an election coming up and the one big issue of the campaigns is the economy. How can the current government let the DOW collapse and the economy collapse at such a time as now, a week before the election?

We also need to understand that although the index has risen, the volume was reasonably light. What does this mean? It means one of two things. That the market as reached the bottom and there are fewer players out there, because they've all gone under, or it means that nobody is buying or selling.

If we use logic, the former can't be true, as the government is wanting to pump more money into the market to hold it up. If the market had bottomed, the government wouldn't have to do that, the 'normal' market would sort itself out, like it did in 2001.

So that leaves the second alternative where we know that Paulsen has been monitoring the markets and has been in contact with investors. I posted this fact from an article I read on Yahoo!. Does that sound like external influence?

And what will happen when that external influence is withdrawn?

We need to understand that timelines and movements are subject to change. People who give their ideas are basing their conclusions with the trend and infomation available. In a 'normal' market the American bourse would have been history a long time ago.

Best regards,

Steve


I was wondering what was happening, all seems to be on the up again.

[ralok_j]

Now the question is, "Why?" It is beginning to look like the Federal Government has decided that it is better to print more money and ARTIFICIALLY prop up the markets.

Are you stating that the government is printing money and secretly buying stocks or did I miss your point?


If that is true, then I have to assume that the expected 2000 point drop in the Dow extrapolates into a 25% INFLATION prop.

Can you share how you extrapolated this inflation figure?

[aiwass322]

This is why math rules!!

Found this nice mathematical model (through an article on infowars.com) that can be used to predict market crashes. Russian economist Nikolai Kondratiev had this theory that economies as well as many other things behave like waves. His model predicted the 1929 incident and some people say that it has predicted a commodity price crash beginning in (yes you know it :trumpet: ....) 2008.

Have a look:
Link to Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kondratiev_wave)

[mmerlinn]

Are you stating that the government is printing money and secretly buying stocks or did I miss your point?




Can you share how you extrapolated this inflation figure?

You got my point exactly. Don't know if it is true or not, but SOMETHING is propping the markets up.

On the 27th the markets closed on their lows and on their annual lows. When market normally close like the formation seen in the S&P and the Dow, the next day the markets TANK bigtime. The nearest support on the Dow was 2000 points BELOW the close at 8000, or roughly a 25% gap to the support. That is where I got the 25% from as that is the only measure that is available at this time. In reality, it is really anyone's guess what the real number is, but whatever it is it is HUGE.

[ralok_j]

I don't think the gubmint has the funds to steer the market. I do know there was a few late trades by mutual fund companies, which will move the market.

[mmerlinn]

I don't think the gubmint has the funds to steer the market. I do know there was a few late trades by mutual fund companies, which will move the market.

They don't. But they do control the printing presses. And the 700 billion bailout money (now well over 1 trillion) had to come from somewhere outside of the budget. Eventually we will know.

[eugene_vn]

I have to agree with mmerlinn on this one - the only reasonable explanation for the October 24 event was a massive intervention by Bush's PPT (Plunge Protection Team). A glance at the recent intraday Dow levels (http://bigcharts.marketwatch.com/quickchart/quickchart.asp?symb=djia&sid=&o_symb=djia&freq=7&time=18) shows that 8200 has acted as a price floor for the past couple of weeks. While it's not unusual for the Dow to consistently bounce off the same general level, when all the technical, momentum, and fundamental indicators pointed (way) down like on Oct 24 and 8200 still supported prices, it quickly took on the characteristics of a mandated level below which prices would not be allowed to fall.

Ironically, had the market been allowed to turn down hard on Oct 24, it would have quickly rallied back into the 9000-10,000 range anyway. So it's not all that unusual to be sitting at 9200 at the Thursday close. However, the price to pay for the PPT intervention is going to be (as mmerlinn suggests) an even greater devaluation of the dollar and an even deeper real bottom when the PPT finally allows the market to crash (or loses its ability to intervene further).

There is a good video at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5oCPcB3Z-8 which shows the historical "real" value of the Dow (i.e. priced in ounces of gold), which is one way of peeling away the machinations of the Fed in terms of devaluing the dollar in order to make the stock market "appear" to be rising based on higher nominal values of the Dow. According to this analysis (by Robert Prechter - www.elliottwave.com), we have probably only seen around a third of the bear market that is still unfolding.

One things to look for in Friday's trading is that it appears the market may be tracing out a "head and shoulders" pattern at the 9100-9200 level. According to classical technical analysis, if prices fall below the right shoulder, they should go way, way down. With the PPT still active it's hard to know whether normal market forces will be allowed to prevail. We will see. . .

[Steve_A]

Hi ralok_j,

I can now confirm mmerlin and my suspicions about how the Government secretly puts money into the stock market to prop it up.

It was confirmed to me by George Green in his latest online conference, it's just that I didn't know the name of the group he mentioned.

It's called the Plunge Committee. You can read about it at these links:

http://www.gata.org/node/4462

http://www.larouchepac.com/news/2007/07/11/hearing-plunge-protection-committee-where-were-democrats.html

http://www.larouchepub.com/pr/2007/070703hedges_hearings.html

Best regards,

Steve


Are you stating that the government is printing money and secretly buying stocks or did I miss your point?




Can you share how you extrapolated this inflation figure?

[ralok_j]

Hi ralok_j,

I can now confirm mmerlin and my suspicions about how the Government secretly puts money into the stock market to prop it up.

It was confirmed to me by George Green in his latest online conference, it's just that I didn't know the name of the group he mentioned.

It's called the Plunge Committee. You can read about it at these links:

http://www.gata.org/node/4462

http://www.larouchepac.com/news/2007/07/11/hearing-plunge-protection-committee-where-were-democrats.html

http://www.larouchepub.com/pr/2007/070703hedges_hearings.html

Best regards,

Steve

Amazing! I listened to the recorded call yesterday and when he mentioned the Plunge I immediately thought about this thread. Let us see what else we can dig up on this. One thing I do find puzzling is this:

A protracted downturn could bode ill for presumptive Republican nominee John McCain, whom Democrats have been trying to taint with allegiance to polices of fellow Republican Bush.

http://www.reuters.com/article/ousiv/idUSN1546284420080315

[Pinktip]

It's called PPT, Plunge Protection Team

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plunge_Protection_Team

[Steve_A]

Hi ralok_j,

The story from the newspaper which was written in March of this year, said that everybody recognizd the fact that the economy was going to be in trouble as the opposition was trying to put McCain on the same page as Bush.

It's ironic that the public evidence of the downturn occurred a couple of weeks before the elections. The bourse on Wall Street had to be helped to try and hide what everybody knew until after the election. Consequently, after the election, the Dow dropped nearly 10% in two days and the initial 'bailout package' is almost all gone.

We've just seen the unemployment figures come out, Ford is sending home 10% of its' white collar staff..... let the fun begin...

It's important for everyone to remember that this problem was caused a long time ago. You can mark my words. In January when things are worse, the public will think that it's Obamas' fault.

Between you and me, just a question.

Could it be that Obama was set up to be the 'fall guy'? After all, the private sector didn't help in McCains campaign, he used public funds and Obama managed to raise from the public AND big business the largest amount ever for a political campaign.

This could be worth looking out for...

Best regards,

Steve


Amazing! I listened to the recorded call yesterday and when he mentioned the Plunge I immediately thought about this thread. Let us see what else we can dig up on this. One thing I do find puzzling is this:



http://www.reuters.com/article/ousiv/idUSN1546284420080315

[ralok_j]

Hi ralok_j,

The story from the newspaper which was written in March of this year, said that everybody recognizd the fact that the economy was going to be in trouble as the opposition was trying to put McCain on the same page as Bush.

It's ironic that the public evidence of the downturn occurred a couple of weeks before the elections. The bourse on Wall Street had to be helped to try and hide what everybody knew until after the election. Consequently, after the election, the Dow dropped nearly 10% in two days and the initial 'bailout package' is almost all gone.

We've just seen the unemployment figures come out, Ford is sending home 10% of its' white collar staff..... let the fun begin...

It's important for everyone to remember that this problem was caused a long time ago. You can mark my words. In January when things are worse, the public will think that it's Obamas' fault.

Between you and me, just a question.

Could it be that Obama was set up to be the 'fall guy'? After all, the private sector didn't help in McCains campaign, he used public funds and Obama managed to raise from the public AND big business the largest amount ever for a political campaign.

This could be worth looking out for...

Best regards,

Steve

Funny you throw the thought out there about Obama being the fall guy. First, let me state that I did not vote for Obama and was against a few things he was promising in his campaign. Now, with that said:

For a few weeks I believed Obama would win. Yes, he is a passionate speaker. But I also sensed that McCain appeared to given up around mid October. My belief is that McCain realized that the global economy is heading towards failure and it wouldn't matter who is in the White House because that person will be viewed as the cause.

Now, I hope I'm wrong. I seriously hope that Obama makes the right decisions to avoid a failure of our economic system. I actually feel bad for him because he is taking office during one of worst economic cycles.

[ralok_j]

Interesting.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-qufOWDawU

[dagon]

just wanted to bump this to the top for the people. WAKE UP!!!

[TAXMASTER]

just keep in mind that 5 out of the top 7 percentage gains on the dow occurred during the great depression. we are going to see wild gains and losses until a bottom is reached.

Namaste'

[eugene_vn]

According to Elliott Wave analysis, the stock market is due to reach a temporary bottom some time this coming week (at around Dow 6800-7200). The next few months should be a volatile climb back into the 9000-10,000 area.

Following that, though, is where things will get very interesting. The whole time frame from around Obama's oath of office to summer 2009 should see the biggest slide to date in the world stock markets. The U.S. Dow is likely to reach new lows in the 3000-4000 area by summer, and that timing happens to line up with the many reports coming in that the US dollar will be scrapped for a new currency also in the summer months.

Hopefully the winter bounce in the stock market will allow anyone who has yet to liquidate their retirement plan (which will be vaporized by summer 2009) to do so at a decent value and exchange it for useful commodities such as food, water, emergency power, shelter, gold & silver, etc.

[mmerlinn]

Quote: 14 December 2008 --- 1260 days begin again. 2-1/2 years begin. --- World War III begins with attacks on the United States, the United Kingdom, and Israel.

Yep that just makes my day, month and year. Something to really ponder and look forward to.

As if there isn't enough dispicable acts of degeneration and sickness by humans on the earth, hey, it's not over yet folks, we have more wonderful things to look forward to.

I do believe in the Creator, angels, ETs and all the rest but sometimes I can't help thinking I would like to have a go at time travel, go back to the source and stop all experience except the positive, no fall, no nothing, that would relieve billions of living things excruciating carnate lives on earth. I can't stand even watching animal planet anymore, too upsetting.

One of the significant days referenced in this thread is rapidly approaching us headon:


14 December 2008 --- 1260 days begin again. 2-1/2 years begin. --- World War III begins with attacks on the United States, the United Kingdom, and Israel.


In a few days we will know how accurate/inaccurate the above prediction was.

Now for an update before the day arrives. At the time of this prediction I firmly believed that this day would be a day of MILITARY attacks upon the nations mentioned. And to a large degree I still feel that way.

However, a few days ago there came rumbling out of China that they would "soon" revalue the yuan versus the U.S. dollar by about 30%. No date given, but with a populace bordering on mutiny, the Chinese MUST do something VERY SOON. Nothing happened over the last weekend, so possibly next weekend.

Chinese exports have plummeted and many factories in China have closed because of the condition of the credit markets. They have product to sell and no one to sell it to. Their biggest market, the United States, has basically quit buying merchandise of any kind regardless of where it is produced. So, suddenly, the Chinese can't sell their goods.

Rumor has it that China is partnering up with someone else to bring stability back into the Chinese market. No one seems to know who that "someone else" is, though. Unfortunately, to bring stability back, they must devalue the yuan AND find new markets at the same time, both of which will devastate what is left of the U.S. economy. The only reasonable place to find a new market is in Europe, and to crack that market the U.S. competition for the European markets must be neutralized.

So, my theory is that the Chinese are combining forces with Europe and with a concerted effort the U.S. will lose the European market and face national bankruptcy at the same time.

What is in it for the Chinese? A large market to sell their goods free from U.S. competion. Reopening of Chinese factories putting the simmering populace back to work. And repatriation of worthless U.S. dollars.

What about Europe? Greater hedgemony of the world's financial markets. Elimination of U.S. competition. A greater say in world affairs.

Is this guess correct? No way to know at the present time.

However, SOMETHING big will happen this next Sunday, whether immediately visible for all to see or not. The opening shots for WWIII are still on the table, although they may or may not happen. Also on the table now is a potential Chinese devaluation.

I cannot rule out nuclear attacks on the above nations at this time. Neither can I rule out Chinese devaluation. Either and/or both may happen along with other unknown events.

The likely scenario now is devaluation. Once the Chinese have exited the dollar in favor of the EU, then physical attack on the U.S. by Europe to eliminate all competition.

Regardless of what actually happens on the 14th, events that day will either be military defeat for the U.S. et alia OR a prelude to that same military defeat.

Because I can't rule out war now, I am packing my things and will be 300 miles from the nearest large city long before the weekend arrives. If war does not arrive, I will be back for a few weeks before again leaving the big city around the 16th of January. If war does arrive, I will stay gone assuming that my preparations for the last three years will be sufficient to stay alive until after Armageddon in 2012.

Anyhow, if I am correct, this will probably be my last post here. The Bible states that 1/3 of our populations will die during such an attack, with another third dying later of starvation & disease. In that scenario the internet would stop working. Also, I expect to be around 50 miles from the nearest connection making it impossible for me to post any updates even if by some miracle the internet keeps working.

[Swanny]

Europe attacking USA???
That wouldnt happen, the members of europe would be capable of winning if they joined forces but the countries of europe dont get on well enough.
So don't worry America your safe for the moment :naughty:

[_N_]

Europe attacking USA? it will never happen (The Germans probably wouldn't agree with the French and the Italians would sit on the sideline discussing how to correctly cook pasta and that they don't like the design of their uniforms :naughty: )

Knowing the USA, they fight all their wars away from home, I just don't see war coming to the USA - apart from civil/internal unrest.

[AndyH]

I'll make an amazing prediction right now for the 14th Dec...

Nothing of significance will happen.

[Dantheman62]

geez mmerlinn talk about doom and gloom!, but it actually makes me laugh, and swanny, gee thanks!, glad to know we're safe for now, HaHa, LOL! Did you ever see the movie The Patriot with Mel Gibson? :mfr_omg: :mfr_lol:

[hueyii]

Its a very slow crash. Stay tuned

[mmerlinn]

I'll make an amazing prediction right now for the 14th Dec...

Nothing of significance will happen.

I hope you are right. However, I am taking no chances.