Oct 14 event canceled due to “free will” per David Wilcock

[feeler]

“Such a mass visitation, at this stage in our planetary game, would be an absolute tragedy — an irreversibly vast insult to the free will of the overwhelming majority of people on Earth who would see it as a horrific and terrifying event, based on their Hollywood movie conditioning.” – David Wilcock

The so-called "free will" of the majority is formed or based upon the many years of deceit, disinformation, mind-control techniques, alien intervention (both direct and indirect), and manipulation. The “will” is hardly qualified to be considered as “free.” IMO, what we have is enslaved will. What I am hoping to see is that the enslaved will is freed at some point in time. What’s your take?

[SOUTHERNCALIBELIEVER]

Wont happen as long as we have these so called "leaders" in office.

[Love/Light 13]

the point that DW is trying to make is that all souls in the universe(s) have first and foremost the liberty of free will. Whether we want to admit it or not, we all signed up to live in this place at this time, and we must figure out why we chose to do this in the first place. A mass sighting is not in the plans at this time in Earth's history. Humanity must figure things out for themselves.

Earths concious beings have allowed themselves to be controlled for millenia because they have misinterpreted the true nature of all that is. Our current philosophies lead us to the conclusion that "GOD" is outside of ourselves, and therefore we do not to the inner work necessary to prepare the planet for its next stage of evolution.

Free will is the first distortion of our true existence. David Wilcock was right about Oct. 14, and has a positive message for humanity. Not surprising then that so many try to discredit his work.

As unfortunate as it may be, we will be enslaved on this plante until we take responsibility for our role in the creation of this existence. We must view the world as a macrocosm of our own inner battles...................

L/L 13

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may WISDOM guide COMPASSION

"out of MANY, we are ONE"

[SOUTHERNCALIBELIEVER]

Good words...I agree!!

I do think people are starting to wake up, I know I have within the past year.
Sometimes I think it's a waste of time trying to wake people up (not saying its a bad thing to do) I think people just seem to be waking up on their own, people have their own switch so to speak.

[Reveling John]

Blossom apologizes (thanks to Zorgon for the link):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rm4v8ylAxTc

Great Love,
John

[Anchor]

The title of this thread is wrong. You cant cancel something that wasnt planned in the first place.

A..

[SpaceMonkey]

personnaly i think it was a rumor that got out of hand. Don't get me wrong im a believer in flying saucers and all that but like i said on another site, if the october 14th event happened, i would walk the streets naked. It was rumour and everyone believed it, at least it will teach us to be careful on who to believe.

[arcora]

The title of this thread is wrong. You cant cancel something that wasnt planned in the first place.

A..

Yep.

And any 'visionary' who gives it credibility is suspect.

[feeler]

The title of this thread is wrong. You cant cancel something that wasnt planned in the first place.

A..

Yes it is. An alternative title could be:

No planned event for Oct 14 due to "free will" per David Wilcock

Thanks.

[Rebel4Life]

David keeps getting funnier and funnier :roll1:

[Rareheart]

Stay tuned kids...because Love/Light 13 is correct.
Our current philosophies lead us to the conclusion that "GOD" is outside of ourselves

Our changing philosophies and our current technology will beg us to search within for answers...as "science" and "faith" meld.
The writing is on the wall.

[feeler]

Earths concious beings have allowed themselves to be controlled for millenia because they have misinterpreted the true nature of all that is.

Would you consider a wife as someone allowing to be controlled, if she is being a good wife while her husband is cheating on her?

[Theresa]

thats right, it wasn't "cancelled", it wasn't meant to happen.

I watched Blossom's video on the 16th and my heart goes out to her so much. I am also a channeler, and had an experience 2 years ago where it was communicated to me to trust that something would happen, that I REALLY REALLY wanted to happen (it was a personal issue) and it didn't happen. I can TOTALLY feel her sense of betrayal, humilitation and confusion.

I believe that what happened was for a consciousness raising effect on HUMANITY, and she was being in service to that, and also, a personal spiritual growth experience for her, via the "crucifician" archetype.

That archetype is a very challenging growth process that an initiate walks. It results in huge spiritual-soul level development, but is excruciating when you are in the midst of it.

Having been through a few myself, I want to share with Blossom, if she reads this: hang in there, trust the process, stay heart centered, cry when you have to, and know this is all going to make sense to you.

I dont' see "machevellian" manipulations at hand here, just a collective spiritual growth process and clarification process unfolding on the collective soul level of learning to distinguish our EGO vs HIGHER SELF.

its all in divine order..trust the process, stay heart centered, keep meditating, and being willing to surrender the ego to be in service to your higher self. That's the "test" and the "remedy!"

~BLESSED BE~

[hyatt]

im utilizing my
free will
to have as much
fun as
i can stand
and
spreading love
like
butter on
a
biscuit

[Jacqui D]

I'm sitting on the fence with this one, i had to admit when i first heard about the ufo thing i thought great! but it has to be a scam right!
They would never openly advertise they would be coming to show themselves to the world,come on there are still a lot of sceptics out there sure.
David Wilcocks got it right there in his comment, the majority of the human race have been programmed to think (Aliens, safe us!! type of scenario)
Yes imagine the panic!

But watching the latest Blossom Goodchild interview on you tube i really believe this woman feels she was right, and perhaps she was who knows, i do believe she has not made much money from it all well i hope i'm right or i'm losing my strong sense of intuition on these things, she genuingly looks an okay person to me.
She was made for what ever reason to announce that message to the world okay so it didn't happen we knew it wouldn't, but it has made the headlines around the world, it has brought the whole ufo phenomenon to the fore great that's what i say, but it's made this woman look pretty stupid through it all.

Perhaps she will take heed not to shout her message out next time, lets hope the next one will be the real one and take this as the first real contact of what's to come, that's all i'm saying on this story now, DONE, FINISHED!:trumpet:

[omnicentricity]

The so-called free will of the majority is formed or based upon the many years of deceit, disinformation, mind-control techniques, alien intervention (both direct and indirect), and manipulation. The “will” is hardly qualified to be considered as “free.” IMO, what we have is slaved will. What I am hoping to see is the slaved will is freed at some point in time. What’s your take?

Forgive me but I don't really understand what your intention was in creating this thread. What are you saying exactly? That choice doesn't exist?

And in regards to the title of this thread - to say that the Oct 14th event was "cancelled" is to assume that it was anything even remotely close to a "scheduled event" to begin with. DW didn't say it was cancelled, he he was offering the perspective from the Law of One teachings about the implications of free will. The feasibility of aliens "just showing up" without being unanimously invited by humanity would not be congruent with other laws and rules of what it means to be a sovereign being.

Your ideas of free will are obviously very influenced by the fact that you are choosing to perceive and become preoccupied with too many of the constrictive parameters of your experience. The only reason those parameters are even there for you to see is to deepen your understanding of the playing field which you are co-creating. If you are looking out into Universe and seeing all the ways which you are held back and in which you are unable to do what you choose, guess what? This is yet another manifestation of victim consciousness. When you are degenerating your Self to experience victim consciousness, then you will tned to focus on the "disempowering stuff", no matter where you look. Nothing in your life will ever change if you are operating from there.

If this is the way you are choosing to perceive your experience, you could say that you have allowed "them" to win.

I would encourage you to examine the ways in which you are choosing to integrate all the information you have available, and shifting your perception to seeing all the ways in which you are empowered, informed and therefore able to acheive a Self-actualized state of being.

Ultimately, your experience of reality and the states of being you contribute (and thereby make available to others) actually IS genuine free will. And this is distinctly different than a paradigm where a "so-called" mental construct of "free will" doesn't genuinely exist simply because the world is more complex than you may have thought in the past. It all fundamentally comes down to choice.

I don't even know if this is approaching and answer to what you are seeking, but the concepts you are expressing could perhaps be refined a bit to derive a more precise question.

Fundamentally, I think that at some level, it's likely you are asking a question that does come down to CHOICE. My take is that marginalizing my ability to choose is not the type of being I choose to be. I still put my conscious focus giving all that I am to everything else, as often as I can remember to do so.

[Rareheart]

Each new person spends many years developing the skills needed to operate in an environment which has been tailored to suit "mans needs". 'Man' has created an un-natural environment which has bent natural laws to near breaking point.

Though we possess the power to create our own "reality"...we must follow rules.
Simple yet unyielding rules.
Not the least of which is...Balance.

The only thing I can say about balance is:
Balance will ("will" in every sense of the word)

[feeler]

The feasibility of aliens "just showing up" without being unanimously invited by humanity would not be congruent with other laws and rules of what it means to be a sovereign being.



The chance of UFO being “unanimously invited by humanity” is next to nil. You are in the minority. The next 9/11 (if the power that be so choose) will crystallize the “victim consciousness” among the mass for good. This thread is to discuss whether the respect to the populace’s “free will” is a logical reason or explanation for a mass sighting not to take place on Oct 14.

[Magamud]

I apologize for random thoughts and spelling first.

I think this event was one step closer to contact. Thawing out perceptions and allowing flexibility in.

Could this event have manifested, why yes.

Could this event have been disastorous yes could it have been wonderful yes.

I am more inclined at this time to take a risk on humanities ability. We have been governed so long with Big Daddy Govt making decisions for us and treating us like kids that I can throw up! The secrecy has dispupted the natural frequency. Its radioactive so to speak.

I think manifesting reality is equal to the inner/outer work of peoples intention and just by reading some of the people here, we all seem to be gurus in reality but we have forgotten ourselves in this prison planet.

Maybe our intention is to move this planet through something.
We must petition the Free Will Council!

I think we are so distorted here that we look for perfectionist metaphysical ideas. We are so enslaved that we will take on another 20 years to ablsolutely clean my spirtual thought.

I believe the Free Will Council wants to hear WTF! We are in the embrace of the Galactic Empire and this place is not prosperous for beings of the creator.

I have a good feeling their are some benevelont beings biting at the chomp to come in hear and kick some ass and get rid of this prison. They just need the go ahead and wanting of the people. One of us is as strong as a thousand.

Understanding of how much manipulation, deception and secrecy is a key. When enough of us realize this and find the equal ground and self esteem to communicate to the cosmos contact will happen.

This time continuum could end at any time. I would like to believe I am here to make a smooth transition between worlds.

Godspeed

[Steven]

...distinguish our EGO vs HIGHER SELF...

Six words, only six words. The key is there. Six subtle words to contemplate during a lifetime.

We are on the same journey and the same path.

All my blessing to you and your beloved, Steven

[omnicentricity]

The chance of UFO being “unanimously invited by humanity” is next to nil. You are in the minority.

Um - I was agreeing with DW's assertion that the possibility of a mass sighting was nil to begin with. I don't know what minority that puts me in...

When I first saw this youtube video, I laughed and gave it the same level of consideration that I would to any random silly video, like someone getting whacked in the balls with a whiffle bat. It made me giggle for about 10 seconds and then I moved on to something else in my life. I don't really know how that makes me a minority LOL. Could you please elaborate? :)

The next 9/11 (if the power that be so choose) will crystallize the “victim consciousness” among the mass for good.

Well, that is quite a victimized understanding to be projecting. Are you saying that another 9/11 type event (assuming that one manifests) would indisputably solidify victim thinking for YOU? Because speaking for myself, I KNOW that anything that happens around me, catastrophe or miracle, will only serve to awaken my essence even more, because I am the one who chooses to respond to external events. I don't speak for the rest of humanity because I am not arrogant enough to think that everyone responds to everything the same way I would.

I'm sorry you view the game as being otherwise, but again, that is your choice to see what you want. I would argue that you are leaving out a massive part of the picture to derive your conclusion, but we are all moving towards creating conscious cognition of all the elements in play, whatever stage of awareness we happen to have evolved thus far.

I do not perceive the same constipated reality that you are expressing, but then again I don't really choose to think in limited, pejorative absolutes. For what it's worth, I have not found such a worldview to be an effective basis for constructive thinking or communicating with others :)

This thread is to discuss whether the respect to the populace’s “free will” is a logical reason or explanation for a mass sighting not to take place on Oct 14.

Ok, so what is it you are discussing then? What is your position?

Because it appears as though you are basically saying that:

- October 14th was supposed to occur according to a highly credible source
- you think David Wilcock offered a poor explanation for why the sighting didn't happen, because
- you think free will either does not exist or is a misunderstood concept, due to many external factors that you choose to see as more significant than your own choices

Is this correct or am I way off base here? Please help me understand, as this ineffective crosstalking of our last two posts is not really something I enjoy. Please remember we are friends here, seeking to enlighten each other :)

[Greg10036]

Six words, only six words. The key is there. Six subtle words to contemplate during a lifetime.

We are on the same journey and the same path.

All my blessing to you and your beloved, Steven

Beautiful words, Steve. They are the key to understanding. Folks, what Steve is saying here is core teaching.

Back to the thread... We are at least 25 years away from global disclosure. Our money is dead. Our energy infrastructure is dead. This is not just the end of an era. It is the end of an age. Star people want to do business but will not disclose themselves on a global level until our nature of exchange has changed. The people of the galaxy do business in energy, personal and otherwise. Business is done base upon who a person is and what they create. Look at this society. If you get good at what you do, and government cannot control it or understand it, they will stop you. It is the opposite in the galaxy. In the galaxy, to excel is to do business. It is based on who you are. Some of us have already opened cosmic bank accounts that we will not use but our children's children will use. The energy will become the exchange. The star people are encouraging us to become responsible adults and start changing our rate of exchange and the way we create energy so that they can do business with us. The star people will not do a dog and pony show. They are here to do business. Blessings and Peace.

Thank you once again, Steve, for your wisdom.

g.

[Anchor]

I dont' see "machevellian" manipulations at hand here, just a collective spiritual growth process and clarification process unfolding on the collective soul level of learning to distinguish our EGO vs HIGHER SELF.

Well, in the big scheme of things, everything that happens, and all that is is all part of the big plan. The whole light vs. dark polarity game is just that, a set up that serves the creators purpose.

I do see machiavellian manipulations, but they, just like Adolf Hilter, all had thier roles to play and for the much greater good.

David Icke had to go through something similar when he was humiliated on television in the 80's. I remember watching it on the Terry Wogan show and I was like "Nooooooo" and cringing at what was being done, while everyone else was laughing. He has later said that this was something he now realises he needed to go through - even though it was awful at the time.

Theresa, I like your perspective on this. I was content to leave it at her being negatively greeted and misled, however you made me think.

I am reminded of the words of the bard [1] ...

All the world's a stage,
And all the men and women merely players:
They have their exits and their entrances;
And one man in his time plays many parts

The thing to remember, is that it is us who get to write the script of our consensus reality - the "stage".

A..

[1] William Shakespeare - from As You Like It 2/7 http://www.artofeurope.com/shakespeare/sha9.htm

[Humble Janitor]

Good words...I agree!!

I do think people are starting to wake up, I know I have within the past year.
Sometimes I think it's a waste of time trying to wake people up (not saying its a bad thing to do) I think people just seem to be waking up on their own, people have their own switch so to speak.

Getting there by way of learning how to control my reactions to everyday life and channel more positive energy.

May not seem that way on here but in everyday life, I see results.

[gordon]

Re: Oct 14 event canceled due to “free will” per David Wilcock

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Good words...I agree!!

I do think people are starting to wake up, I know I have within the past year.
Sometimes I think it's a waste of time trying to wake people up (not saying its a bad thing to do) I think people just seem to be waking up on their own, people have their own switch so to speak.

People are starting to "wake up"? LOL...All of those "people belonging in the federation of light" is in a world of their own. They also like to daydream alot, because it helps them to pretend for them to look good and to feel great!

[ranma187]

people like goodchild believe what they channel. Why can't they accept that what they channel is either their unconcious. or just an item representing something else. You should NEVER interpret a vision or channel literally.

[PodWORLD]

This article gives some info on channelling and has links at top to other articles.

http://www.kheper.net/topics/New_Age/channeling.htm

[feeler]

Because it appears as though you are basically saying that:

- October 14th was supposed to occur according to a highly credible source
- you think David Wilcock offered a poor explanation for why the sighting didn't happen, because
- you think free will either does not exist or is a misunderstood concept, due to many external factors that you choose to see as more significant than your own choices

Is this correct or am I way off base here? Please help me understand, as this ineffective crosstalking of our last two posts is not really something I enjoy. Please remember we are friends here, seeking to enlighten each other





omnicentricity

1. Whether the source is credible or otherwise is purely subjective.
2. David Wilcock offered an explanation that, in my opinion, is not entirely complete (hence this thread).
3. My argument here is not whether the "will" is "free" but whether the "will" is "shaped" or "guided" (or misguided for that matter).


The issue at hand, as described by Alex Collier:


"As far as our free will as compared to the free will of other races, it is one and the same. It's just that we don't as a population have the realization of the power of our collective free will. We don't totally realize the sovereignty that our free will gives us. That is why they are manipulating us through belief systems in order to try and get is to relinquish our free will, by coercing us to use our own free will against us and ask them to come down here and control us. It's a choice." - Alex Collier


Additional reference from a differenct source (note: the key words here are "undermine" and "lack" in regards to the free will):

Coercion and manipulation undermine free will, on this view, in virtue of making agents not reasons-responsive. If Allison has been brainwashed to walk the dog at a certain time, then even if she were to turn on the news and sees that it is snowing, she would attempt to walk the dog despite having good reasons not to. Thus, manipulated agents are not reasons-responsive, and in virtue of this lack free will. [See Fischer and Ravizza (1998) for one of the primary reasons-responsive views of free will.]

[capreycorn]

just a thought..
the 14th october anouncements mentioned a 2000miles big spaceship next to spaceship earth? 2000miles = our moon (the biggest satellite circling earth)! (remember the moon of The Truman Show..) 14th october was said to be the strongest full moon ....:bleh:

[Tuza]

I tried joining DW forum to get an answer to my question, but couldn't and then thought better of it. So I will ask here again. I asked the fake David Wilcock who posted here yesterday (when I still thought it was the real DW):

So the aliens didn't show up because of free will, well how come there are many down here already playing around with our free will? No, there are more than the reptilians, as per whistleblowers and numerous other testimonies. I don't think I am going to get an answer from the real DW, shame. I honestly wanted his take on the question.:original:

(Deneutralizing warheads is in essence interfering with free will), although on these occasions please feel free guys....we don't need these anywhere.

[Anchor]

So the aliens didn't show up because of free will, well how come there are many down here already playing around with our free will? No, there are more than the reptilians, as per whistleblowers and numerous other testimonies. I don't think I am going to get an answer from the real DW, shame. I honestly wanted his take on the question.:original:

(Deneutralizing warheads is in essence interfering with free will), although on these occasions please feel free guys....we don't need these anywhere.

I am not DW.

Its not that they didnt show up. Expressing it in this fashion, implies that there was at some point, a notion that they would and that there was a hard schedule. That was just a viral idea that got started recently (its only been about 10 weeks!)

So far as I have understood it, such "landings" or "mass-apparition" are unlikely to happen until towards the very end of the ascension process. This would be when all of the people still around are the ones that will be attuned enough to the ascension process, that thier free will desicion to go through with the process has been made. Help from these ET beings will be essential, as the Earth is being born into a new existance and it is a difficult delivery. The labor has been long and hard, and expert planet-scale mid-wifery is requried. (We can all help here)

There is an exception, in the case of nuclear weapons. The use of these will not be permitted on a wide scale because the destruction is not confined to just our plane of existence. We would be causing harm to existence that we dont even know about. Thus there is more than just our free-will at stake.

Any such attempt at nuclear mass destruction would then enable intervention. The odd bomb here and there (testing, alleged 911 mini-nukes etc) seems to be tolerable, but I think anything over a certain threshold thriggers intervention and prevention.

Should such intervention be necessary, it will be a huge karmic setback for us, and many of the opportunities that would otherwise have been available to us to learn and accelerate our evolution will be lost.

A..

[Tuza]

Thank you Anchor, I understand all that you have said, but David Wilcock stated in his October 14 statement on Divine Cosmos that this did not occur because it would violate our free will.

What I am saying therefore if DW is correct on his theory about alien intervention and our free will, then why are there still aliens down here (besides the rep's) who are interfering with our free will.

DW also mentions that we are quarantined, well I can understand that also but it doesn't stop these other aliens being here. My question still stands DW.

Now I get the feeling if there are replies it will be to the tune (there only the bad aliens and they don't care about our free will).

That doesn't cut it for me if we are very much quarantined.

[Seth Haniel]

Never trust a given date - as most other 'life' forms are from a different space / time continuum
some are in 'no-time' some are 'future' some are 'past'.
The event will happen someday - but trying to put our material earth times to it are not possible.

So just keep on watching the sky - just keep on wondering why.

[Magamud]

Feeler I dig what your doing by the way.

We have to accept our soverignty as part of the creator.

Alot of brainwashed people act like programmed slaves stating all this mumbo jumbo intellectual metaphysical jargon like, it will happen during the ascension, its not our time, use your inner work etc... Seems to me these are just excuses. The time is now! We need to petition our own free will.

The level of deception is immense. Most cultural ideas in the super conscious collective are deceptions. For instance false flag, cultural movements (beatles, lsd, music, New Age movement, education, etc.) Not to mention the poisening by fluoride, and other chemicals causing us to accept this programming and parrot responses.

We dont have to take this ****. Were part of the creator and deserve a good environment to help our evolution.

Its terrible and unfortunately like a good slave who does not know he is a slave will give excuses as to why the illusion should continue.

Weep....

[Ali Quadir]

People are starting to "wake up"? LOL...All of those "people belonging in the federation of light" is in a world of their own. They also like to daydream alot, because it helps them to pretend for them to look good and to feel great!

It's all part of the path. Some of us require to be with our heads in the clouds. If only for a while.

It didn't happen because it could not happen. Those that said it would happen maybe channelled the collective desire of their followers. Not actual physical reality.

Remember that this like anything belonging to current events is just part of the collective dream. It might actually be part of how this information bubbles from the subconscious to the conscious. But the lies and the misinformation should preferably be avoided.. In this situation it clearly wasn't. And that caused many negative effects.

We don't know much about the "psychoverse"... Actually I think we should hire a shaman to explain to us the basics... :naughty:

The only bad thing about all this are the negative effects. Don't let it get to you. If you believed in it or not it's not worth getting angry or sad about. It is what it is. And we'll just smile about it in the future.

It'll be a great story to tell them when finally they DO arrive. Even if I think that will be at least one more decade into the future.

[feeler]

Thank you Anchor, I understand all that you have said, but David Wilcock stated in his October 14 statement on Divine Cosmos that this did not occur because it would violate our free will.

What I am saying therefore if DW is correct on his theory about alien intervention and our free will, then why are there still aliens down here (besides the rep's) who are interfering with our free will.

DW also mentions that we are quarantined, well I can understand that also but it doesn't stop these other aliens being here. My question still stands DW.

Now I get the feeling if there are replies it will be to the tune (there only the bad aliens and they don't care about our free will).

That doesn't cut it for me if we are very much quarantined.

Excellent points Tuza.

Miriam Delicado and Alex Collier both pointed to the ugly things taking place underground. I brought up this issue of missing children multiple times in the Project Avalon forum, but most are pre-occupied preparing their trips to the hills.

- It's NOT the free will of the children to be kidnapped and be the reptilians’ daily supplements.
- It IS the free will of the vast majority of human adults to see the children of the earth grow up and have happy childhood.

This is a blatant violation of our free will. This is hypocrisy. -feeler

[feeler]

just a thought..
the 14th october anouncements mentioned a 2000miles big spaceship next to spaceship earth? 2000miles = our moon (the biggest satellite circling earth)! (remember the moon of The Truman Show..) 14th october was said to be the strongest full moon ....:bleh:

What a perceptive observation capreycorn. It's here all along. It only takes a 180 degree rotation of the satellite for the others to realize what it really is. -feeler

[feeler]

Feeler I dig what your doing by the way.

We have to accept our soverignty as part of the creator.

Alot of brainwashed people act like programmed slaves stating all this mumbo jumbo intellectual metaphysical jargon like, it will happen during the ascension, its not our time, use your inner work etc... Seems to me these are just excuses. The time is now! We need to petition our own free will.

The level of deception is immense. Most cultural ideas in the super conscious collective are deceptions. For instance false flag, cultural movements (beatles, lsd, music, New Age movement, education, etc.) Not to mention the poisening by fluoride, and other chemicals causing us to accept this programming and parrot responses.

We dont have to take this ****. Were part of the creator and deserve a good environment to help our evolution.

Its terrible and unfortunately like a good slave who does not know he is a slave will give excuses as to why the illusion should continue.

Weep....

Magamud, well said. I weep with you. Others can say I'm suffering from the lower-frequency "victim consciousness" all they want. -feeler

p.s. Even a third-world country like China knew the effects of fluoride. What a joke.

http://www.fluorideresearch.org/412/files/FJ2008_v41_n2_p111-114.pdf

[KathyT]

“The feasibility of aliens "just showing up" without being unanimously invited by humanity would not be congruent with other laws and rules of what it means to be a sovereign being.”

I have way too many neighbors and friends who drop in to my house without being invited.

UFO’s have been dropping in “uninvited” on mankind for years and centuries.

People talk about “laws and rules” of the universe. Where can I find proof of these laws?

I know people have blind faith and make up all sorts of beliefs so that they can follow them.

But proof of a law which says “they/extraterrestrials” can’t “interfere” with us? Can someone please show me where that the existence of that law can be proved?

There is no proof that it exists.
There is no proof that it does not exist.

[feeler]

“The feasibility of aliens "just showing up" without being unanimously invited by humanity would not be congruent with other laws and rules of what it means to be a sovereign being.”

I have way too many neighbors and friends who drop in to my house without being invited.

UFO’s have been dropping in “uninvited” on mankind for years and centuries.

People talk about “laws and rules” of the universe. Where can I find proof of these laws?

I know people have blind faith and make up all sorts of beliefs so that they can follow them.

But proof of a law which says “they/extraterrestrials” can’t “interfere” with us? Can someone please show me where that the existence of that law can be proved?

There is no proof that it exists.
There is no proof that it does not exist.


KathyT, I love your understatement - except that our neighbors and "friends" spray biological/chemical agents all over inside our houses, and bring .44 calibers as gifts to our sons and daughters. -feeler

Ref: 'The Gods of Eden' by William Bramley

[Kelle Baley]

The so-called "free will" of the majority is formed or based upon the many years of deceit, disinformation, mind-control techniques, alien intervention (both direct and indirect), and manipulation. The “will” is hardly qualified to be considered as “free.” IMO, what we have is enslaved will. What I am hoping to see is that the enslaved will is freed at some point in time. What’s your take?

It is still our own; free will. this issue of sacredness is at question.

This is yet what is missing from all your comments in defining what provides or delivers us into the way of free will. where is it that honor can be part of the process if morals of Love for all concerned are absent?

The personal skill to hone free will is being relearned. the inner technology of peace is the only way out of what is termed "manipulations" of the will. The technology is not remembered much at all for many many eons of generations so we can barely sensory inner truth without higher benevolent assistance.

This is being given us as an opportunity by the FOL now!

I must emphasize that we have a limited time frame from which we will be allowed so direct this intervention that humanity has cried out for in spirit. the time is now. ask for help, yet command it upon your ego to step aside and receive the assistance. if you have chosen to become awake and you do not feel helped right inside this now -with energy flowing down from above and filtering directly into your crown as you attempt discerning truth, you have not asked.

I call for PEACE held. Peace is needed within so that peace out here can be achieved and maintained. we have to rely upon our planet to keep us safe from those that are no longer inside the vehicle to hold such a space.

I call for calm of spirit with the temperance of a trust that we are all free to choose now that Babylon falls -the veil that held illusion together.

please visit this site and attempt to hold peace not fear


http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=5527

[goody8504]

David keeps getting funnier and funnier :roll1:

you get a kick out of the truth?


now, regarding anybody who doesn't think we have free will...i'm not really following. your argument is that we are being manipulated, therefore we don't really have free will? i don't see how. you can only be manipulated if you choose to let other manipulate you, hence free will. likewise, if you choose to ignore the truth, you have freely chosen to ridicule or ingore those who speak the truth. to say free will doesn't really exist just completely blows my mind. if free will doesn't exist, then why has this discussion even arose? surely some people have decided to go against the majority and express the free will we all have. just because you don't express your free will doesn't mean it doesn't exist

[Darkshade]

just a thought..
the 14th october anouncements mentioned a 2000miles big spaceship next to spaceship earth? 2000miles = our moon (the biggest satellite circling earth)! (remember the moon of The Truman Show..) 14th october was said to be the strongest full moon ....:bleh:

I've been thinking about the same thing. The spaceship was also supposed to be visible for 3 days. From what I found out October 14 was a 3 day full moon cycle. Now that's two "coincidents" :bleh:

[feeler]

you get a kick out of the truth?


now, regarding anybody who doesn't think we have free will...i'm not really following. your argument is that we are being manipulated, therefore we don't really have free will? i don't see how. you can only be manipulated if you choose to let other manipulate you, hence free will. likewise, if you choose to ignore the truth, you have freely chosen to ridicule or ingore those who speak the truth. to say free will doesn't really exist just completely blows my mind. if free will doesn't exist, then why has this discussion even arose? surely some people have decided to go against the majority and express the free will we all have. just because you don't express your free will doesn't mean it doesn't exist


goody8504

Who speaks the truth?

Who tells the lies?

Do you know the truth?

You "will" can be "free" yet conditioned, yes, very conditioned. That's my point. -feeler

[nibiru]

Our free will exists as part of the rules of the universal game of polarity integration nowdays playing in this planetary schoool...
But... Yes, but it has been manipulated for millenia by the reptilians... They have "taught" us to choose what they want us to choose ...
It is time for us to dismantle this mental programming...
Freedom of choice ( with all the implications and responsabilities that come with it ) is what we, as cocreators of our own reality , is what we need to learn to use to manifest our choices in our every day life...

[Tuza]

I'd still like David Wilcock to answer that question I rose, thank you David, in your own time. :original:

[feeler]

I'd still like David Wilcock to answer that question I rose, thank you David, in your own time. :original:



So the aliens didn't show up because of free will, well how come there are many down here already playing around with our free will?


Tuza

The above is your question, I believe. Let's wait for an answer. -feeler

[Magamud]

you get a kick out of the truth?


now, regarding anybody who doesn't think we have free will...i'm not really following. your argument is that we are being manipulated, therefore we don't really have free will? i don't see how. you can only be manipulated if you choose to let other manipulate you, hence free will. likewise, if you choose to ignore the truth, you have freely chosen to ridicule or ingore those who speak the truth. to say free will doesn't really exist just completely blows my mind. if free will doesn't exist, then why has this discussion even arose? surely some people have decided to go against the majority and express the free will we all have. just because you don't express your free will doesn't mean it doesn't exist

Freewill works in degrees to me, not extremes.
Manipulators dont want you to have a choice (sovereignty) if they get to manipulate you or not.

[capreycorn]

thanks yall!
yep, this is what i had in mind:
http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/4034482/
(ingo swann`s "penetration")
:cup:

[indakaz]

wait, you need to see this!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPkc-jhepGI

[Anchor]

I'd still like David Wilcock to answer that question I rose, thank you David, in your own time. :original:

While you are waiting for an answer.... consider that you chose to be here to experience all this. This choice and the dynamics of it may well be unknown to your concious ego/mind at this time, but do you think that this "free-will" choice never took place?

I think a central point that a lot of people trapped in the cycle of re-birth fail to see, is that free-will extends beyond our concious minds and into our higher-selves. Decisions might be being taken without your ego's permission! Isnt that ok? Cant you see that this doesnt violate free-will?

The ego is some of the problem and many spiritual seekers invest quite a lot of effort putting an end to it.

A..

[Tuza]

Thank you Anchor,

I agree with everything you said, especially about ego and the rest, maybe DW could take note, being the totally spiritually aware and uplifted person that he is, I will note that it is therefore probably okay to diss another person over the radio (re Bill Deagle). Yes, that was very spiritually in tune.

So agreeing with your free will and all the rest I still would like my answer from DW which was very simple and only a few words, read my first post on this thread. If it is too hard for him to answer, well I will understand, trying to be spiritual and all.

Once again thank you Anchor.

[feeler]

It is still our own; free will. this issue of sacredness is at question.

This is yet what is missing from all your comments in defining what provides or delivers us into the way of free will.

The will is yours but the influence is not necessarily the case.






I must emphasize that we have a limited time frame from which we will be allowed so direct this intervention that humanity has cried out for in spirit.

The "will" of FOL can hardly be considered "the free will of the overwhelming majority of people on Earth."


“Such a mass visitation, at this stage in our planetary game, would be an absolute tragedy — an irreversibly vast insult to the free will of the overwhelming majority of people on Earth who would see it as a horrific and terrifying event, based on their Hollywood movie conditioning.” – David Wilcock

[colesmommy1117]

Stay tuned kids...because Love/Light 13 is correct.


Our changing philosophies and our current technology will beg us to search within for answers...as "science" and "faith" meld.
The writing is on the wall.

Well said.

[feeler]

Stay tuned kids...because Love/Light 13 is correct.


Our changing philosophies and our current technology will beg us to search within for answers...as "science" and "faith" meld.
The writing is on the wall.

Let us hope that the government's injection/vaccination program and microchipping will not mess up our "search within."

[feeler]

I think a central point that a lot of people trapped in the cycle of re-birth fail to see, is that free-will extends beyond our concious minds and into our higher-selves. Desicions might be being taken without your ego's permission! Isnt that ok? Cant you see that this doesnt violate free-will?



I am quite sure that our unconscious mind (i.e. our higher selves) do not "will" the alien abductions of children.

Re-posting...

- It's NOT the free will of the children to be kidnapped and be the reptilians’ daily supplements.
- It IS the free will of the vast majority of human adults to see the children of the earth grow up and have happy childhood.

This is a blatant violation of our free will. This is hypocrisy. -feeler

[Tuza]

Brrr, Brrr, Brrr, Brrr"

Hello, oh, ok, 'phone call for David Wilcock'

DW: Who is it.

Reply: I don't know sir, someone from Australia.

DW: Oh, Okay......Hello DW speaking.

Me: Kindly, nicely, asking see first post by Tuza in this thread.

DW: ...............click.

Me: mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmh, it was only a little question.:zip:

[JohnWdoe]

If someone can get any credible evidence that October 14th was a data mining op we may put this one in the bag. Every computer can be watched and tracked just imagine google earth but it shows servers and connections now send out some crazy information and note the key areas in which it spreads - to suppress those people and see where and when.

Events like this from behind closed doors can offer up valuable sources on contacts, if blossom goodchild is telling the truth and she really did hear the voices it could be blue beam.

I thought we were all on board about this?? aliens are so overrated for good cause - to keep us thinking and not acting.

[feeler]

If someone can get any credible evidence that October 14th was a data mining op we may put this one in the bag. Every computer can be watched and tracked just imagine google earth but it shows servers and connections now send out some crazy information and note the key areas in which it spreads - to suppress those people and see where and when.

Events like this from behind closed doors can offer up valuable sources on contacts, if blossom goodchild is telling the truth and she really did hear the voices it could be blue beam.

I thought we were all on board about this?? aliens are so overrated for good cause - to keep us thinking and not acting.



JohnWdoe

Wouldn't this be against our free will? Alien technology* being utilized against our free will...

*Michael Tsarion touched upon the use of silicon as taught by the entities.

[JohnWdoe]

JohnWdoe

Wouldn't this be against our free will? Alien technology* being utilized against our free will...

*Michael Tsarion touched upon the use of silicon as taught by the entities.

Our free will has nothing to do with an aliens free will.

I honestly have no clue if bluebeam is made by us or them all the talk about alien technology seems like a GREAT cover for people constantly putting myself and yourself in danger to create insane technology.

Aliens are such a scape goat and i of all people HATE to carry the gavel on this one... How many people have i met under complete mind control under Majics ******** (pardon my french) but its just .......... bah!

I know life forms exist on other planets but only about 3 to 5 % of all the alien stuff is real, if we can grasp that it throws so many whistle blowers stories out (now you tell me how many whistle blowers or research contradicts?) and us in our ignorance say "not one person can understand it all", keeping the circle moving.

I see people on here out of their god damn minds and i may get flagged for this but who cares, i get in trouble for you being crazy?? how does that work!

Now im not calling you anything feeler because frankly it would be judgmental but rather a little slab of what i call my reality.

[Tuza]

Can I ask where you got the 3 to 5% of alien stuff is real please. Thanks.:original:

[feeler]

Our free will has nothing to do with an aliens free will.

I honestly have no clue if bluebeam is made by us or them all the talk about alien technology seems like a GREAT cover for people constantly putting myself and yourself in danger to create insane technology.

Aliens are such a scape goat and i of all people HATE to carry the gavel on this one... How many people have i met under complete mind control under Majics ******** (pardon my french) but its just .......... bah!

I know life forms exist on other planets but only about 3 to 5 % of all the alien stuff is real, if we can grasp that it throws so many whistle blowers stories out (now you tell me how many whistle blowers or research contradicts?) and us in our ignorance say "not one person can understand it all", keeping the circle moving.

I see people on here out of their god damn minds and i may get flagged for this but who cares, i get in trouble for you being crazy?? how does that work!

Now im not calling you anything feeler because frankly it would be judgmental but rather a little slab of what i call my reality.


JohnWdoe


I invite you to go through every single one of my past posts to locate any indication of my belief on an Oct 14 event.

Actually most people, including you, have seen technology at work that was out of this world, but without recognizing such. The majority "saw" collapses of buildings when in fact each tower was disintegrated into dust by particle weapons.

Do you know how many posts I wrote challenging Miriam Delicado's account of her alien contact? I even wrote to Bill to alert the two hosts that careful discernment is necessary in dealing with Miriam Delicado.

As a matter of fact, I am here questioning David Wilcock's claim that aliens have much respect for our free will; yet the same group just sit on the side line and watch our free will being compromised by alien intervention.

At any rate I appreciate your input; reality check is healthy and constructive. -feeler

[Squeptikal]

The chance of UFO being “unanimously invited by humanity” is next to nil. You are in the minority. The next 9/11 (if the power that be so choose) will crystallize the “victim consciousness” among the mass for good. This thread is to discuss whether the respect to the populace’s “free will” is a logical reason or explanation for a mass sighting not to take place on Oct 14.

Good point, now to the crux: Did you believe it was even possible to happen? Doesn't seem like it. When the Blossom announcement came, there was so much scoffing and indignation that many were revealed (to themselves) to be NOT READY for such a significant event.

Being hopeful isn't enough to create reality - you have to learn to get out of your own way to experience it.

[zorgon]

Can I ask where you got the 3 to 5% of alien stuff is real please. Thanks.:original:

80% of "UFO's" are 'critters'
15% are ours (ALL the triangle)
5% are visitors

IMO of course based on my research :bleh:

Re: Blossom... Possible scenario...

She had real messages... faithfully recorded them..
But on the 14th we shifted time lines and it didn't happen in this time line

Now my only problem is to find out just exactly WHAT is causing us to hop from one to another. When I figure that out, we will have something...


Disclaimer: Yeah yeah I know yawl think I'm nuts... but that's okay. But maybe, just maybe someone out there has the answer I need and for that I will risk lunacy :bleh:

[feeler]

Good point, now to the crux: Did you believe it was even possible to happen? Doesn't seem like it. When the Blossom announcement came, there was so much scoffing and indignation that many were revealed (to themselves) to be NOT READY for such a significant event.

Being hopeful isn't enough to create reality - you have to learn to get out of your own way to experience it.

Squeptikal

I didn't believe with 100% certainty that it would happen, but I certainly believe that it was possible. I was ready. My quote:


Ummm... Actually I'd like those who believe the Adam-&-Eve story to see the ET.


A later quote expressing my neutrality towards Blossom:



1. Whether the source is credible or otherwise is purely subjective.

[Anchor]

I am quite sure that our unconscious mind (i.e. our higher selves) do not "will" the alien abductions of children.

Re-posting...

- It's NOT the free will of the children to be kidnapped and be the reptilians’ daily supplements.
- It IS the free will of the vast majority of human adults to see the children of the earth grow up and have happy childhood.

This is a blatant violation of our free will. This is hypocrisy. -feeler


The problem with your argument is that you dont seem to compare like with like. Just because the forces of darkness "get away" with free-will infringment, doesn't mean that the forces of light are exempt from the rules.

Emotive arguments that bring children suffering into it are all well and good, but you simply throw up even more barriers to being able to see the big picture.

A..

[feeler]

The problem with your argument is that you dont seem to compare like with like. Just because the forces of darkness "get away" with free-will infringment, doesn't mean that the forces of light are exempt from the rules.

Emotive arguments that bring children suffering into it are all well and good, but you simply throw up even more barriers to being able to see the big picture.

A..



Anchor

If I see a person lies to a child, encouraging the child to engage in a dangerous/deadly act, I will show myself and tell the truth to the child. I will not hide in a corner and "respect the child's free will" thinking I might scare the child.

Am I missing the big picture, the grand scheme of things? Please discuss. -feeler

[Anchor]

If I see a person lies to a child, encouraging the child to engage in a dangerous/deadly act, I will show myself and tell the truth to the child. I will not hide in a corner and "respect the child's free will" thinking I might scare the child.

Depending on the circumstances that would likely be your duty. Children do deserve special care and attention.

I wish you had been around to sort out my parents about that whole Santa Claus/Father Christmas thing. It wasn't until being massively humiliated at school I realised that I was the last one of my group to know the truth AND that I had been lied to. Oh the pain... It took years to get over that they had lied to me.

Am I missing the big picture, the grand scheme of things? Please discuss. -feeler

Since you are asking me, I will answer - but I feel that my answer may be perceived as challenging or condescending - I dont mean it. This is abstract debate, I dont claim any kind of superiority in it, quite apart from the fact that I might even be wrong :)

Basically, I think you are certainly missing some of the big picture. You seem overly concerned with the day to day drama of the 3D consensus reality in which we find ourselves. By grounding your arguments therein, you cannot see the wood for the trees!

Taking your example further - If I see a child (or anyone else) being assaulted in some manner (not necessarily physical), then I will be likely to intervene. However, the manner of my intervention will be guided both by instinct and intuition. It might be physical intervention, but it could simply be the manifesting of love, protection, peace and calm. Either way I may end up praying for the abuser to see the light, and for the child to be protected whilst the complex catalyst it is experiencing works its way through.

If it is a really serious emergency, I might be calling for some heavy duty backup either in the form of 3D police, or a few legions of angels!

We all, without exception, have that power.

That is why we are going to prevail.

--

For the highest and best good of all, may the light of love be manifest in the hearts of all humans, and may peace descend on earth.

A..

[Squeptikal]

[QUOTE=feeler;55042]Squeptikal

I didn't believe with 100% certainty that it would happen, but I certainly believe that it was possible. I was ready. My quote:

Neither did I believe that it would happen. What I was trying to say was that this is why I didn't believe - the rest of the crowd made such a blasphemy out of it that believing was tantamount to moon-bat stupidity. Emotions were blocking the potential and that, combined with logic, made manifest the impossibility of it. Hoping wasn't powerful enough to overcome the self defense mechanism we've been programmed to obey foremost.

I'm not sure that I'm ready. I've seen things before that defied my logical explanation and recently, my young son and I were witness to metallic balls at Norfolk, VA airport. Having his calm, rational observation matching my own now stands as my own individual realization that these things DO exist.

Since we were at an airport watching the skies for aircraft, our expectation was to see things in the sky. What we weren't expecting was that we would witness aerobatic impossibility performed by two non-aircraft. Since there was no threat nor any emotion to cause our automatic self-protect mechanism to kick in and prevent us from witnessing the sighting, we allowed ourselves to believe in what was there.

Quite possibly this is why out of multiple potential witnesses only some actually report seeing something like this which challenges our normally comfortable understanding of what we can see. They were not only ready, they weren't threatened into filtering it by their own minds.

This is one of the reasons that pilots, astronauts, and air show spectators, I believe, see things more frequently. Besides the obvious requirement of looking into the sky as a part of their focus, they expect to see other things in the sky. Perhaps there it a threshold of characteristics that cause a self-defense filtering of this observable phenomena.

This same threshold might also exist for lack of a better term as the reason that "we aren't ready" to collectively witness mother-ship UFO's. Consequentially, we remain held down by the PTB who's control system might be fatally struck by such a mass sighting.

:zip:

[King Lear]

:roll1:David Wilcock:roll1:

Yes he's in the know:roll1:

People stop to listening to such a fraud!
He knows nothing, just making money in constructing an aura of a "prophet" or something around him.

But his historic knowledge is sooo minor that I hardly can believe that such a person got a college degree.


And just looking a bit similar to a deceased socalled "prophet" does make him a prophet, otherwise Elvis has come to earth in the bodies of thousands of peoples. Because there are so many Elvis inpersonators who look really similar to the king.

And besides, there are no proofs that Cayce was one, nothing he said came to reality.

Folks stop being credulous!






Hopefully this was not "too offensive" for you "love-spreaders" out there - just a critique.;)

[Anchor]

Hopefully this was not "too offensive" for you "love-spreaders" out there - just a critique.;)

It certainly was needlessly offensive, if only mildly so. You bag him with a few subjective and insulting statements for the sake of making one argument.

However, I like your post for it is redeemed in that one argument! I agree Regardless of who is the messenger or what qualifications/history they have, no-ones word should be trusted unconditionally - with the single exception of ones own self.

Thanks!

A..

[feeler]

I wish you had been around to sort out my parents about that whole Santa Claus/Father Christmas thing. It wasn't until being massively humiliated at school I realised that I was the last one of my group to know the truth AND that I had been lied to. Oh the pain... It took years to get over that they had lied to me.
A..

Anchor

I envy you. It appears that you received gifts from Santa Claus longer than most others in the same school. I absolutely respect your parents' free will of Service To Others. -feeler

[Knightbk]

I don't buy the whole "Aliens are here and waiting to talk to us" bs. Sorry.

I think that if Aliens were truly here and wanted to help us, they would be helping us, either through secret government contact or some other form of help.

However, none of that is happening, which tells me that:
-Aliens don't exist or if they do, are simply not on earth yet.


Any idiot can say anything he wants, and that is precisely what this entire story is. Just because you "believe" something does not make it true and unfortunately, people WANT to believe something because we are all in such a hopefully state of depression or wander aimlessly due to a total lack of purpose in life. That last point is why so many people have put on Suicide Vests in recent years.

[Rocky_Shorz]

:roll1:David Wilcock:roll1:

Yes he's in the know:roll1:

People stop to listening to such a fraud! He knows nothing, just making money in constructing an aura of a "prophet" or something around him.

Hopefully this was not "too offensive" for you "love-spreaders" out there - just a critique.;)

Take it from someone that delivered 3 messages from the big guy each followed by a disaster of biblical proportions...

Telepathic Communications are real...
Mediums that contact Spirits are real...

being a messenger in todays world is tough, being a Prophet, impossible...

[capreycorn]

i think that only pure and lasting empathy invites the aliens. fear, stress, grudge or being scared of aliens as well as hostility are all NO-GOs.

If you`re inclined to worry, society sure has given you a good selection.
-Mark Twain-

[milk and honey]

Something bothers me about a conversation like this. So what if spacecraft did show up in our skies on Oct 14th? What could it prove? One thing only. That whoever was the source of 'Blossom's' message was also responsible for the 'UFO' fly-over. That could be anyone including terrestrial powers who have UFOs and other technologies to pull a stunt like that.

Secondly, even if it was 'aliens', their appearance in UFOs would prove nothing about their motive and intentions, regardless of what was said in the chanellings. People who believe otherwise need to sober up and seriously examine the various possibilities.

Here's a good article with a few insights in that regard: http://www.montalk.net/notes/overlooked-aspects-of-the-alien-presence

My own understanding is that there are no plans for positive spiritual beings to show up in UFOs in the event of a massive disaster scenario. These adepts do not operate like that. I believe they have advanced spacecraft but because they are beyond the need for them -- they can transport themselves by the power of their spiritualised mind -- they hardly ever use their craft. They certainly do not flaunt spacecraft to humanity as their spiritual ID and credentials. Why would they when even terrestrial criminals have advanced craft? Why muddy the waters for us?

The message of the true adepts is not overly concerned with our origin (or theirs) on other planets and star systems but with our origin in the spiritual plane. That is more important. Their message concerns the personal spiritual path of each soul and as Theresa said earlier, identifying and separating the lower- ego from the real- Self.

To that effect, the true adepts act from the inner planes and subtley influence the mind/emotions of human beings to help clarify our choices. Sometimes they identify themselves as the source of that inspiration (but not always) and the people who recieve their influence are free to reject it if they choose.

This planet and it's people have a heavy karma which has been building for ages. It is due and is manifesting as all the woes that have been described by various sources. The only intervention possible at this critical juncture is the relationship which i described using the discernment of our own spiritual- self to distinguish the spiritual adepts from lower astral entities.

In any event there is no external intervention on offer in the form of a revelation and landing by 'positive aliens' in UFOs. It's not going to happen and whoever turns up like that claiming to be our 'savior' is not. That includes but is not limited to a 'Jesus character'. He did not leave in a UFO and will not return in one.

[blind lemonade]

From what I've seen and read on Wilcock's website, by far the most interesting stuff is the 'consciousness science' he has gathered and presented which seems to definitely prove the existance of a homogenous field of consciousness being at the root of all manifestation. His three free e-books are of a world class level of rigorously backed up and referenced science, literally proving that the material universe is a function of and maniifestation of intelligent awareness. Thus, we have a rare opportunity to experience compelling scientific evidence that our collective intent, if harnessed, is capable of building any world we choose, and in fact has always done so.

Wilcock's website is huuge, and issues of prophecy don't seem to reflect his raison d'etre. I feel the main message from Wilcock to us all is that the latent power of man the creator is much greater than most of us have realized - and this is the greatest secret of the PTB.

Whilst we endulge in endless speculation regarding the occluded, mystery filled issues of control groups, UFOs, and future timelines, the PTB isn't that concerned, as we are playing safely in an area of reaction and anxiety. To maintain an attitude of us vs. them necessarily keeps us down, and the dance we have danced from the beginning shows no sign of abatement. The PTB are in truth in power positions because they represent our own 'dark side' - and as any person who hasn't yet faced their own dark side is subject to the reactivity and self limitation of the parts of themselves which are not exposed to the light and integrated, we are all as a group faced with the same situation.

The Ra of Law of One fame once offered the tidbit that in order for one man to move a mountain using purely mental means, he would have to be purified of all distortion. Yet a large assemblage of persons acting in concert could hold a significant degree of distortion yet be able to move said mountain. I believe this speaks to the situation at hand, and the latent power of man.

The main game of the PTB is keeping us from finding out about our power to potentially instantly choose to use the power of consciousness to move into a place where they are totally irrelevent as a negative force, and in fact to transform this world into the next stage of evolution - a place where love rules. Many will tell you this is pie in the sky, and for many it is. Yet for those interested in knowing the absolute be-all and end-all of worldly secrets - that one understanding which the entire game has been about keeping from you, it's as simple as preventing as many of us as possible from realizing that humanity has such amazing powers, right now already, and always have. We could literally in the blink of an eye fundamentally change the world, right now, if enough of us got together with this knowledge. All starvation, poverty and want would literally disappear instantly, if we so focused on this outcome.

This is the great secret of the ages - of those who have enslaved you.

It's as freaking simple as that.

[feeler]

Something bothers me about a conversation like this. So what if spacecraft did show up in our skies on Oct 14th? What could it prove? One thing only. That whoever was the source of 'Blossom's' message was also responsible for the 'UFO' fly-over. That could be anyone including terrestrial powers who have UFOs and other technologies to pull a stunt like that.


milk and honey

Thank you. I provided the two quotes below contrasting each other. Again, I acknowledge that the will is ours and free; however the free will is lacking under the current circumstance.

Hopefully, from the discussion among our fellow members thus far, we have a better sense as to whether David Wilcock's statement is logical, valid, and applicable to similar prophecies in the future.

A UFO appearance would get people thinking outside the constraint of the Bible and other religious doctrines. It doesn't mean the ET's are benevolent; it doesn't mean the visitors are necessarily real ET's. Even if the crafts turn out to be back-engineered, it's still an indication/hint of the original source - UFO's.

The quality of our free will is greatly compromised, if we by and large operate and make our choices out of blind faith, propaganda, lies, and half-truths. Perhaps a limited appearance would be a good starting point to motivate people to step out of their conditioning and explore the truth. -feeler



“Such a mass visitation, at this stage in our planetary game, would be an absolute tragedy — an irreversibly vast insult to the free will of the overwhelming majority of people on Earth who would see it as a horrific and terrifying event, based on their Hollywood movie conditioning.” – David Wilcock

Coercion and manipulation undermine free will, on this view, in virtue of making agents not reasons-responsive. If Allison has been brainwashed to walk the dog at a certain time, then even if she were to turn on the news and sees that it is snowing, she would attempt to walk the dog despite having good reasons not to. Thus, manipulated agents are not reasons-responsive, and in virtue of this lack free will. [See Fischer and Ravizza (1998) for one of the primary reasons-responsive views of free will.]

[Vianova]

Sheesh
wilcock is a dingle berry
and the whole thing was a lame psyop to get y'all whacky yakking

lol


-->the aliens you encounter are the aliens you choose to experience<--

if you BELIEVE that fascist lizards are going to descend from spacecraft,
then that will happen for you.

If you BELIEVE that Greys and Zeta Ridiculans and shape ****ters
infest the planet, then they are under your bed.

Nancy Leider and the J Rod eloped last night.

There is no question that alien societies exist
with technologiocal superiorities to Earth ,and these alien star systems
are probably just as fascist pig as the International Criminal Clown War Puppet Masters
on Planet Earth.

so what...?
even if they ... "took over..."
humans still have God Consciousness
and the Angel Within.
Mankind's history is rife with conflict and war and aggression.
The neo con tyrants want to create a space weapons race.

Maitreya is universal.
Kuan Yin is a presence of Compassion.
and the Lotus Blossom fractalizes into infinty


the Mayan Jaguar came to me in a dream
and flashed with his eyes the universal sacred geometries
into my third eye with just a glance.




Alien presences of higher benevolence are experienced on a higher plane of consciousness.
Interdimensional contact is not by spacecraft.


It is by Experience.

wilcock is a distraction...:trumpet:


Creators of the the designer Solar System
have no "mother ship".....
they don't need one,.

:lol3: