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peaceandlove
10-18-2008, 01:49 AM
:wall:Andrew Jackson Comments on the Economic Crisis and Ending the Fed

Posted by Matt Hawes on 10/17/08 source: campaignforliberty.com

Matt Hawes: Well, not quite, but the warnings against the paper money system made in his 1837 farewell address can be directly transferred to our day.

"The distress and sufferings inflicted on the people by the bank are some of the fruits of that system of policy which is continually striving to enlarge the authority of the Federal Government beyond the limits fixed by the Constitution. The powers enumerated in that instrument do not confer on Congress the right to establish such a corporation as the Bank of the United States, and the evil consequences which followed may warn us of the danger of departing from the true rule of construction and of permitting temporary circumstances or the hope of better promoting the public welfare to influence in any degree our decisions upon the extent of the authority of the General Government. Let us abide by the Constitution as it is written, or amend it in the constitutional mode if it is found to be defective...."

"The paper-money system and its natural associations--monopoly and exclusive privileges--have already struck their roots too deep in the soil, and it will require all your efforts to check its further growth and to eradicate the evil. The men who profit by the abuses and desire to perpetuate them will continue to besiege the halls of legislation in the General Government as well as in the States, and will seek by every artifice to mislead and deceive the public servants. It is to yourselves that you must look for safety and the means of guarding and perpetuating your free institutions. In your hands is rightfully placed the sovereignty of the country, and to you everyone placed in authority is ultimately responsible."

Matt Hawes: An ominous task nowadays to be sure, but one which Jackson was confident the people could win if they stuck at it.

"But it will require steady and persevering exertions on your part to rid yourselves of the iniquities and mischiefs of the paper system and to check the spirit of monopoly and other abuses which have sprung up with it, and of which it is the main support. So many interests are united to resist all reform on this subject that you must not hope the conflict will be a short one nor success easy. My humble efforts have not been spared during my administration of the Government to restore the constitutional currency of gold and silver, and something, I trust, has been done toward the accomplishment of this most desirable object; but enough yet remains to require all your energy and perseverance. The power, however, is in your hands, and the remedy must and will be applied if you determine upon it."

Matt Hawes: There are two main courses of action to take.

First, we must educate ourselves so that we can not only articulate sound economics, but also adequately combat the pro-fiat arguments.

Second, we must spread the word.

One great step toward that second goal would be to forward around Dr. Paul's CNN interview (available at campaignforliberty.com) from earlier this morning, 10/17 to your friends and family.

(Source for Jackson's Address: http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index.php?pid=67087)


Andrew Jackson 'Old Hickory', Seventh President of the United States 1829 - 1837
Military Governor of Florida 1821
US Representative Tennessee 1796
US Senator Democratic-Republican 1797
Judge Tennessee Supreme Court 1798 - 1804

Second Bank of the United States...Opposition to the National Bank

The Second Bank of the United States was authorized for a twenty year period during James Madison's tenure in 1816. As President, Jackson worked to rescind the bank's federal charter. In Jackson's veto message (written by George Bancroft), the bank needed to be abolished because:

~It concentrated the nation's financial strength in a single institution.
~It exposed the government to control by foreign interests.
~It served mainly to make the rich richer.
~It exercised too much control over members of Congress.
~It favored northeastern states over southern and western states

Following Jefferson, Jackson supported an "agricultural republic" and felt the Bank improved the fortunes of an "elite circle" of commercial and industrial entrepreneurs at the expense of farmers and laborers. After a titanic struggle, Jackson succeeded in destroying the Bank by vetoing its 1832 re-charter by Congress and by withdrawing U.S. funds in 1833.

1833 Democratic cartoon shows Jackson destroying the devil's Bank

The bank's money-lending functions were taken over by the legions of local and state banks that sprang up. This fed an expansion of credit and speculation. At first, as Jackson withdrew money from the Bank to invest it in other banks, land sales, canal construction, cotton production, and manufacturing boomed. However, due to the practice of banks issuing paper banknotes that were not backed by gold or silver reserves, there was soon rapid inflation and mounting state debts. Then, in 1836, Jackson issued the Specie Circular, which required buyers of government lands to pay in "specie" (gold or silver coins). The result was a great demand for specie, which many banks did not have enough of to exchange for their notes. These banks collapsed. This was a direct cause of the Panic of 1837, which threw the national economy into a deep depression. It took years for the economy to recover from the damage.

The U.S. Senate censured Jackson on March 28, 1834, for his action in removing U.S. funds from the Bank of the United States. When the Jacksonians had a majority in the Senate, the censure was expunged.

source: wikipedia

endthefed.us rally 11/22/2008

mntruthseeker
10-18-2008, 01:52 AM
wow I rated it before I seen it was you

what a great post Peace and Love:thumb_yello:

peaceandlove
10-18-2008, 02:50 AM
Congressman Davy Crockett...NOT YOURS TO GIVE...regarding Bailouts in the early 1800's

Source: http://www.constitutionparty.com/documents/Crockett_CPweb_.pdf

Congress was considering a bill to appropriate tax dollars for the widow of a distinguished naval officer. Several beautiful speeches had been made in support of this bill. It seemed that everyone in the House favored it. The Speaker of the House was just about to put the question to a vote, when Davy Crockett, famous frontiersman and then Congressman from Tennessee, rose to his feet.

“Mr. Speaker, I have as much respect for the memory of the deceased and as much sympathy for the suffering of the living as any man in this House, but we must not permit our respect for the dead or our sympathy for a part of the living to lead us into an act of injustice to the balance of the living. I will not go into an argument to prove that Congress has no power to appropriate this money as an act of charity. Every member upon this floor knows it. We have the right, as individuals to give away as much of our own money as we please in charity, but as members of Congress we have no right to so appropriate a dollar of the public money. Some eloquent appeals have been made to us upon the ground that it is a debt due the deceased. Sir, this is no debt. We cannot without the grossest corruption, appropriate this money as the payment of a debt. We have not the semblance of authority to appropriate it as a charity. I cannot vote for this bill, but I will give one week's pay, and if every member of Congress will do the same, it will amount to more than the bill asks.”

There was silence on the floor of the House as Crockett took his seat. When the bill was put to a vote, instead of passing unanimously as had been expected, it received only a few votes.

The next day a friend approached Crockett and asked why he had spoken against a bill for such a worthy cause. In reply, Crockett related the following story:

Just a few years before, he had voted to spend $20,000.00 of public money to help the victims of a terrible fire in Georgetown. When the legislative session was over, Crockett made a trip back home to do some campaigning for his re-election. In his travels he encountered one of his constituents, a man by the name of Horatio Bunce. Mr. Bunce bluntly informed Crockett:

“I voted for you the last time. I shall not vote for you again.”

Crockett, feeling he had served his constituents well, was stunned. He inquired as to what he had done to so offend Mr. Bunce. Bunce replied:

“You gave a vote last winter which shows that either you have not capacity to understand the Constitution, or that you are wanting in the honesty and firmness to be guided by it. The Constitution, to be worth anything, must be held sacred, and rigidly observed in all its provisions.”

“I take the papers from Washington and read very carefully all the proceedings of Congress. My papers say that last winter you voted for a bill to appropriate $20,000.00 to some sufferers by a fire. Well, Colonel, where do you find in the Constitution any authority to give away public money in charity? No Colonel, Congress has no right to give charity. Individual members may give as much of their own money as they please, but they have no right to touch a dollar of the public money for that purpose.”

“The people have delegated to Congress, by the Constitution, the power to do certain things. To do these, it is authorized to collect and pay moneys, and for nothing else. Everything beyond this is usurpation, and a violation of the Constitution. You have violated the Constitution in what I consider to be a vital point. It is a precedent fraught with danger to the country, for when Congress once begins to stretch its power beyond the limits of the Constitution, there is no limit to it, and no security for the People.”

“I could not answer him,” said Crockett. “I was so fully convinced that he was right.” I said to him, “Well, my friend, you hit the nail upon the head when you said I had not sense enough to understand the Constitution. If you will forgive me and vote for me again, if I ever vote for another unconstitutional law, I wish I may be shot.”

After finishing the story, Crockett said, “Now sir, you know why I made that speech yesterday. There is one thing now to which I will call your attention. You remember that I proposed to give a weeks pay? There are in that House many very wealthy men, men who think nothing of spending a weeks pay, or a dozen of them, for a dinner or a wine party when they have something to accomplish by it. Some of these same men made beautiful speeches upon the debt of gratitude which the country owed the deceased, yet not one of them responded to my proposition. Money with them is nothing but trash when it is to come out of the people. But it is the one great thing for which most of them are striving, and many of them sacrifice honor, integrity, and justice to obtain it.”

For Freedom, For Peace, For Prosperity VOTE THIRD PARTY

sylph16
10-18-2008, 03:02 AM
What an eye opener, i'm very grateful for this piece and the enlightenment it brings me...thanks so much for posting Peace and Love...Bravo!

peace

sylph

peaceandlove
10-18-2008, 05:49 AM
THOMAS JEFFERSON

"If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their money, first by inflation and then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them (around the banks), will deprive the people of their property until their children will wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered."

source: rumormillnews.com

(Not so sure I agree with the conquered part, but the rest is very relevant.)

Presidential Election of 1800

After lengthy debate within the Federalist-controlled House,Hamilton convinced his party that Jefferson would be a lesser political evil than Burr and that such scandal within the electoral process would undermine the still-young regime. The issue was resolved by the House, on February 17, 1801 after thirty-six ballots, when Jefferson was elected President and Burr Vice President. Burr's refusal to remove himself from consideration created ill will with Jefferson, who dropped Burr from the ticket in 1804 after Burr killed Hamilton in a duel.

source: wikipedia

Jefferson's Death

Jefferson died on the Fourth of July, 1826, the 50th anniversary of the adoption of the Declaration of Independence. He died a few hours before the death of John Adams, his compatriot in their quest for independence, then great political rival, and later friend and correspondent.

source: wikipedia

Thomas Jefferson, Third President of the United States 1801 - 1809
Principle Author of the Declaration of Independence 1776
Governor of Virginia 1779 - 1781
United States Secretary of State 1789 - 1793
Second Vice President 1797 - 1801

FrostyMcunicron
10-18-2008, 09:01 AM
"The bold efforts the present bank has made to control the government.... are but premonitions of the fate that awaits the american people should they be deluded into perpetuation of this institution, or the establishment of another like it" ~Andrew jackson in refernce to nationalized banking & the likes of companies of the same nature as the federal reserve.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7065205277695921912

historycircus
10-18-2008, 08:39 PM
The quotes from Andrew Jackson on Biddle's "monster" are poignant, but we have to keep in mind the historical context of Jackson's words - and the hypocrisy of his actions.

Jackson was rash and egotistical, and as the self-proclaimed standard bearer for Jeffersonian ideals, he naturally fell out with those who inherited the Hamiltonian ideals. During the latter years of his reign, his fight against paper, internal imporvements, etc. was just as much about personal vendettas and politics as it was about ideology.

And his love of the Constitution, as it concerned strict-contructionism, was nowhere to be found after Chief Justice John Marshal's ruling in Worchester v. Georgia. Ask the Cherokee Nation, or the Creek Nation, or the Shawnee, etc. just how easily Jackson could dispense with his "strict-constructionist" view.

Jackson was a vulgar, violent parasite who derailed Presidential politics for a generation.

peaceandlove
10-19-2008, 10:08 AM
The quotes from Andrew Jackson on Biddle's "monster" are poignant,

Blessings History Circus,

Thank you for your reply. I appreciate your contribution to the thread and historical knowledge.

I've seen your Avatar and assumed you were a History Major or a major student of history. I hoped you could contribute more than I as I don't claim to be historically or politically minded. My posts were sourced on the internet.

Referencing hatred of Indians and prefacing the way we were only brings attention to it. If we have not completely evolved beyond racism, prejudice and greed whose fault is that? It is the parents and the elders who teach the children.

The post was not about Presidents who lie as political promises tend to be broken. It was not about forgiving our ancestors, although we should. It was not about crooked politicians.

It was about words (although sometimes superficial), our current economic situation and our Constitutional Rights being derailed.

It was the thought that counts. The fact that history repeats itself, that lessons have not been learned and the hope that the words may inspire some people to vote, to stand up for themselves, to make a difference in their brother's, their sister's, their children's and grandchildren's future.

To stand up to the bureaucracy...

To understand that without desire there is no hope...

AND WITHOUT HOPE THERE IS NO FUTURE!

Voting for Politicians that support Bailouts is voting for the destruction of our Constitution...VOTE THIRD PARTY

FrostyMcunicron
10-19-2008, 02:59 PM
Jackson was a vulgar, violent parasite who derailed Presidential politics for a generation. clearly you knew him in real life.

historycircus
10-19-2008, 07:32 PM
Frosty,

It is a possibility I'm willing to entertain, but incredibly skeptical of.

Peace,

I would even question Jackson's motivation for attacking paper - Jackson was a land speculator, and his boy Coffee was too. Either Jackson figured out, or (more likely) had someone explain it to him, that the gazillions of acres of land that they had worked so hard to dispossess Indians of might deflate in value if currency liquidity became widespread. A lack of specie can drive prices up, and would make his lands for sale more valuable. The spread of paper would drive it down. His fight against paper was really a fight over making sure that his and his buddies' lands fetched top dollar on the market.

peaceandlove
10-19-2008, 07:48 PM
There is a Revolution Happening.

Join them at endthefed.us Rally to take place 11/22/2008

Ron Paul introduced a bill to abolish the Federal Reserve in the House on
June 15, 2007
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill...bill=h110-2755

Updated Information 9/19/2008
H.R. 2755 Federal Reserve Board Abolition Act
Help restore financial stability to America's economy by using the form here to contact your representative:
http://capwiz.com/jbs/issues/alert/?alertid=10887821


Experts Endorsing Ron Paul's Sensible Plan to Permanently Dismantle Federal Reserve

The trillion-dollar Wall Street bailout plan negotiated by the White House and Congress has reinvigorated the debate about Texas Republican Rep. Ron Paul’s Federal Reserve Board Abolition Act (HR 2755), which was introduced into Congress in June 2007.

Ron Paul financial advisor Paul Schiff responded: “The Fed got us into this mess. It drives me crazy to see Alan Greenspan on television talking about this ‘100 year flood,’ like the events that are taking place today are random and have nothing to do with his monetary policy. He blew up the bubble, and now it’s burst.”

the rest of the article at:
http://www.americanfreepress.net/htm...serve_151.html

Knightbk
10-19-2008, 07:51 PM
The Fed isn't going away, get used to it.

The ONLY way it will go away is if the US collapses and doesn't need the Fed and if that happens, well, we will have bigger issues to worry about than money.