Hillary to Be President

[Waterman]

I might as well post this and get my prediction out there and get it over with.

The next president is going to be Hillary Clinton.

In September of 2007 I wrote an article that many on this forum wouldn't care for but if you pm me I would be glad to send you a copy of the article.

The article is called the Nazi Crowley conncection.

Anyway a I published a subsequent article indicating that they will remove Obama about 2 weeks prior to the election leaving plenty of time for Hillary to step up to the plate. This removes her from any lengthy scrutiny that would have exposed her and Bill Clinton's criminal activity.

Here is the start of the removal of Obama

http://www.rense.com/general83/berg.htm

I will be glad to forward the other information if you send me a pm.

[Shellie]

I would have guessed Clinton, too because she is the only one out of all of them that was at the Bilderberg meeting in 2006.

So let's say... Biden steps down, Clinton takes his place... and then Obama wins the election, gets assassinated, and martial law is declared with Clinton at the head?

Probable?

[fitzy3400]

So why should we play when the game is rigged? It's quite obvious to me that Obama will win, as it stands now. Biden is acting like he is already in the oval office and McCain is acting out now in defiance of Obama as if he already lost. It's totally obvious to me that something is not right and hasn't been right for a very long time.

[mntruthseeker]

God help us all if any of them get president




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0vwVlrrb5g

You really need to hear all three

[IronWoman]

:mfr_omg:

no way..

[Argante]

From the "Rense" link provided by OP. I have highlighted the important text in red:

"(Lafayette Hill, Pennsylvania * 10/21/08) - Philip J. Berg, Esquire, the Attorney who filed suit against Barack H. Obama challenging Senator Obama's lack of "qualifications" to serve as President of the United States, announced today that Obama and tbe DNC "ADMITTED", by way of failure to timely respond to Requests for Admissions, all of the numerous specific requests in the Federal lawsuit. Obama is "NOT QUALIFIED" to be President and therefore Obama must immediately withdraw his candidacy for President and the DNC shall substitute a qualified candidate. The case is Berg v. Obama, No. 08-cv-04083."

So because Obama and the DNC did not respond to these frivolous lawsuit charges... that means they are true? Keep grasping.

[John aka#404]

(mod hat off)

Here is the start of the removal of Obama

http://www.rense.com/general83/berg.htm

I will be glad to forward the other information if you send me a pm.


Waterman,

I have been following the Obama thing for quite awhile now. It is extremely interesting how so
many things have been swept under the rug and without prejudice.

The Berg lawsuit I have monitored since day one. I agree with your prediction but see something
else possible...

* election happens as-is - the democrats and magicians keep the Obama stuff under the lid for
as long as they can. Obama wins.
* since the day McCain was "appointed" as the Repub candidate, I have seen him as a Manchurian
candidate. TPTB want this guy in.
* what better way to get him in but WAIT to use the real good info until AFTER the election. Then
McCain doesn't have to fight it out at the election boxes.

This of course could cause confusion and multitudes of people raising hell for a new election... but,
it is a possble scenario.

I mentioned Manchurian Cand... heaven forbid that Obama is taken out of the picture (still shaking
my head Biden over the weekend likened him again to JFK)... but we all know how all the snakes and
scorpions treat each other when the others' backs are turned.

From the "Rense" link provided by OP. I have highlighted the important text in red:

"(Lafayette Hill, Pennsylvania * 10/21/08) - Philip J. Berg, Esquire, the Attorney who filed suit against Barack H. Obama challenging Senator Obama's lack of "qualifications" to serve as President of the United States, announced today that Obama and tbe DNC "ADMITTED", by way of failure to timely respond to Requests for Admissions, all of the numerous specific requests in the Federal lawsuit. Obama is "NOT QUALIFIED" to be President and therefore Obama must immediately withdraw his candidacy for President and the DNC shall substitute a qualified candidate. The case is Berg v. Obama, No. 08-cv-04083."

So because Obama and the DNC did not respond to these frivolous lawsuit charges... that means they are true? Keep grasping.

Mary Lou, I noticed this as well. I just see it as a tactic to get people reading Berg's site.
In my view, legally it is correct to say what has been said, but in no way OFFICIAL.

I have followed this whole "natural born citizen" thing since Spring and in my opinion and
I only have one question:

"If Obama truly has the certificate to prove his birth, why doesn't he and just let
this be put to bed?"

By taking this thing on as long as it has it shows nothing but arrogance and something to
hide in my books. When McCain's birth in Panama was questioned he issued a statement and
documents. Why can't Obama ? That is what we should be asking... not if it is true or not.

Interesting he has to go to Hawaii all of a sudden... and yes I pray that his grandmother gets better.

--

Aside... the NLP article on Obama is also very interesting.

-John
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[Reunite]

So let's say... Biden steps down, Clinton takes his place... and then Obama wins the election, gets assassinated, and martial law is declared with Clinton at the head?

Probable?

Wow..that's freaky..that was my prediction months ago

[Waterman]

Thanks for your "kind" responses. This matter is very convoluted and if this were pre JFK days we all would be considered wackos. But we are not so naive anymore and lost our public virginity when JFK was assasinated.

My position does not mention an assaination, but however puts forth an opinion that Hillary would do "anything" to be president. The reason why she would be this way is explained in the article.

Suffice it to say we are living in a time when yes leaders in my opinion are not elected, but appointed like they were the last two elections.

It's pathetic to think that the Bilderbergers cannot have either of the major parties front at least some similance of an intelligent non -see-thru candidate.

We are on the cusp of change, with humanity and the free world on the card table. We are without a doubt at a crossroad.

PS - If you request the article please let me know if you use Open Office. If not I will send you the MS Word version. It might not come through formatted correctly but the content should be ok.

Thanks

[Sherab]

I might as well post this and get my prediction out there and get it over with.

The next president is going to be Hillary Clinton.

In September of 2007 I wrote an article that many on this forum wouldn't care for but if you pm me I would be glad to send you a copy of the article.

The article is called the Nazi Crowley conncection.

Anyway a I published a subsequent article indicating that they will remove Obama about 2 weeks prior to the election leaving plenty of time for Hillary to step up to the plate. This removes her from any lengthy scrutiny that would have exposed her and Bill Clinton's criminal activity.

Here is the start of the removal of Obama

http://www.rense.com/general83/berg.htm

I will be glad to forward the other information if you send me a pm.

This is very close to the most ridiculous thing I have ever read on this forum.

[tdc1188]

You guys are unbelievable.


“When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4,1961, in Honolulu, Kenya was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdom’s dwindling empire. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.‘s children.

Since Sen. Obama has neither renounced his U.S. citizenship nor sworn an oath of allegiance to Kenya, his Kenyan citizenship automatically expired on Aug. 4,1982.” Factcheck.org

WashingtonPost.com
“The truth: Sen. Barack Obama, born in Hawaii".
Visit this website to see a copy of his birth certificate:http://fightthesmears.com/articles/5/birthcertificate

[tdc1188]

Take a look http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html

[whitecrow]

So why should we play when the game is rigged?

Eggs. Ackly.

[Kelphi]

Its pretty simple to me. Palin is the key. She is a Christian. Most of the world hates her too-isn't this obvious? She is against same sex marriages. The world is for it and hates her for it. She is against abortion. The world is in total love with abortion and hates anyone against it.

Satan will not have a Christian in office period. No way, not ever. A fake one sure (Bush) but a real one.....no way. Its Obama the Obomination all the way.

[Knightbk]

Hilary wont be President.

[Argante]

Here you go John:

Born in the U.S.A. (http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html)

FactCheck: Has Obama's birth certificate been disclosed? (http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/has_obamas_birth_certificate_been_disclosed.html)

Obama's Birth Certificate (http://cdn.factcheck.org/imagefiles/Ask FactCheck Images/Obama Birth Certificate/BO Birth Certificate.jpg)



(mod hat off)

Mary Lou, I noticed this as well. I just see it as a tactic to get people reading Berg's site.
In my view, legally it is correct to say what has been said, but in no way OFFICIAL.

I have followed this whole "natural born citizen" thing since Spring and in my opinion and
I only have one question:

"If Obama truly has the certificate to prove his birth, why doesn't he and just let
this be put to bed?"

By taking this thing on as long as it has it shows nothing but arrogance and something to
hide in my books. When McCain's birth in Panama was questioned he issued a statement and
documents. Why can't Obama ? That is what we should be asking... not if it is true or not.

-John
.

[THE eXchanger]

i agree, i too have said
we have NOT seen the end of hillary...
she is definitely under someone's skirt,
and, she is still wearing the pants

appears the "black folks" are onto obama

http://www.pyrabang.com/contenteditor.php?pd=4057&ps=4121&org=3955&target=http://www.atlah.org/broadcast/ndnr10-17-08.html

they do NOT appear to like him very much

it is rather strange,
he didn't show us,
his grandma, or his mom
(where are these ladies ???)
you would think, they would be close to him
at a time like this, but, they are NOT
why ???

i believe the VP has more clout than the president

hillary will re-surface again in this pres. race

both she & obama, were at bilderburg convention
(snuck in, in the afternoon) NOT, on the main invite list
we all know, that all the presidents appear to go there

anyway...good post waterman

love
susan/the eXchanger

[Ampgod]

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say I don't know what will happen.

:original:

[John aka#404]

Here you go John:

Born in the U.S.A. (http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html)

FactCheck: Has Obama's birth certificate been disclosed? (http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/has_obamas_birth_certificate_been_disclosed.html)

Obama's Birth Certificate (http://cdn.factcheck.org/imagefiles/Ask%20FactCheck%20Images/Obama%20Birth%20Certificate/BO%20Birth%20Certificate.jpg)


I question everything and will continue to do so. The above site and that which they post, I question.
Philip Berg and his site and his motives, I question. Barack Obama, I question. The breathable air
on the moon, I question (OMG, did I just type that... oh oh) :)

I am not posting here to try and prove who is right or wrong... I have no clue who is telling the truth
here, but would like to know. If a majority of people think I am nuts to question Obama, it is fine -
I have the right to be nuts and question everything in life. My post above, I made an observation on a
possible scenario IF it is true (and I say IF again) that Obama is not a natural born citizen. That was
all and I apologize for not making that clear there.

I have a hard time giving Obama the benefit of the doubt when not once has any of this been recognized
publicly. And taking "factcheck.org" as the end all-be all on this subject... I am sorry but they are not
the ones applying to be President. They are a facilitator.... a distractor.

Until all of the laundry comes out, the key on all of this FOR ME is Obama's and the DNC's silence.

If Obama ends up proving beyond a shadow of a doubt that he is truly a natural born citizen of the
U.S... great -- upon which, I will continue to question.

-John
PS. Question#2 -- Obama's use of NLP (http://www.pennypresslv.com/Obama%27s_Use_of_Hidden_Hypnosis_techniques_in_His _Speeches.pdf)
.

[SoulSuspect]

I freaking hope not, but click on the link below to find out how this could actually happen.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gA6_k3NtXZs

Is Obama really a US citizen?

[Karen]

From the discussions I've heard, I think on the Alex Jones show, I'm convinced that Obama was born in Kenya (testimony from a relative, Kenyan grandmother if I recall correctly) and did not have 2 USA citizen parents at the time of his birth, and his mother probably did not do the proper procedure when returning to live in the USA the second time ... and thus Obama is not eligible to be president of the USA.

[tdc1188]

i agree, i too have said
we have NOT seen the end of hillary...
she is definitely under someone's skirt,
and, she is still wearing the pants

appears the "black folks" are onto obama

http://www.pyrabang.com/contenteditor.php?pd=4057&ps=4121&org=3955&target=http://www.atlah.org/broadcast/ndnr10-17-08.html

they do NOT appear to like him very much

it is rather strange,
he didn't show us,
his grandma, or his mom
(where are these ladies ???)
you would think, they would be close to him
at a time like this, but, they are NOT
why ???

i believe the VP has more clout than the president

hillary will re-surface again in this pres. race

both she & obama, were at bilderburg convention
(snuck in, in the afternoon) NOT, on the main invite list
we all know, that all the presidents appear to go there

anyway...good post waterman

love
susan/the eXchanger

Because his mother is dead and his Grandmother is in her mid 90's in Hawaii! Can't travel?!? Man, you guys are so cynical about politics that it clouds your judgment when its possible that a man on our side might just be the next president. Yes, you can beat the system, TPAB are not perfect! They are scared to death of him! That is why the Rothschild's and Rocketfellers have now sided with John McCain. The Rothschild's have historically controlled the Democractic party, why switch now? Ofcourse his is going to have some shady people on his team, HE HAS TO PLAY THE GAME TO GET IN!

[Sarahmay]

I might as well post this and get my prediction out there and get it over with.

The next president is going to be Hillary Clinton.

In September of 2007 I wrote an article that many on this forum wouldn't care for but if you pm me I would be glad to send you a copy of the article.

The article is called the Nazi Crowley conncection.

Anyway a I published a subsequent article indicating that they will remove Obama about 2 weeks prior to the election leaving plenty of time for Hillary to step up to the plate. This removes her from any lengthy scrutiny that would have exposed her and Bill Clinton's criminal activity.

Here is the start of the removal of Obama

http://www.rense.com/general83/berg.htm

I will be glad to forward the other information if you send me a pm.

:mfr_omg: I will enjoy seeing you backpeddling out of this one when it doesn't happen. Because it WILL NOT HAPPEN.

Oh, and there were no motherships reported on 10/14 either, as you know. Just because people said it would happen didn't make it so.

But...I predicted Palin will withdraw, and although it isn't over yet it doesn't look like it will happen, either. So...you are entitled to your opinion of course, which we will take for what it is worth.

[seekur3]

aaahhhh. . . I KNEW there was an underlying (lie-ing?) reason for Obama's trip to Hawaii. The birth document lawsuit/issue certainly fits. As for Hilary, I'm not convinced she's the anti-Christ, yet. Personally, I think Palin's just as dangerous as Hil. WASF, as George Ure would say.
vote independent or don't bother.
& susan, even the Obamassiah can't produce a dead mother on a stage.

vote independent or don't bother.

[Seeker Mom]

This will not happen. I was a supporter of Sen. Clinton's and watched the abuse she took from the media, Obama's voracious supporters, as well as Obama himself. I saw her husband unfairly branded as a racist. And now she and President Clinton support Obama? No way. I do not respect her decision to support Obama. So, no, I don't believe she would be named his replacement at this point, and in fact, even if she were I'd still vote for McCain/Palin. :mad3:

[seekur3]

Anybody that thinks either Dem or Rep candidate is not a bought & paid for politician is livin' in fantasyland. I think Obama may have good intentions, but you know where the path lined with them goes. & McCain is the PTB manchurian candidate to get the malleable Palin in. I don't see how anybody can support such a divisive person. If McCain is elected, he will not serve 4 years (his 'health' wink wink nudge nudge).

[Myra]

I might as well post this and get my prediction out there and get it over with.

The next president is going to be Hillary Clinton.

In September of 2007 I wrote an article that many on this forum wouldn't care for but if you pm me I would be glad to send you a copy of the article.

The article is called the Nazi Crowley conncection.

Anyway a I published a subsequent article indicating that they will remove Obama about 2 weeks prior to the election leaving plenty of time for Hillary to step up to the plate. This removes her from any lengthy scrutiny that would have exposed her and Bill Clinton's criminal activity.

Here is the start of the removal of Obama

http://www.rense.com/general83/berg.htm

I will be glad to forward the other information if you send me a pm.

Omg, that big mouth scheister-lawyer says Obama "admitted" everything just because he didn't respond to the lawyer's BS? :lmao: Lol hilarious.

I predict that this lawsuit will fail. That's my strong feeling on it.

[Waterman]

It grieves me to think one would take pleasure in anyone not being perfect. So for those who will enjoy my back peddling, be assured that with great remorse I see no future for this country in either Obama or McCain. For me it isn't an either or choice. However, I am concerned that when running for president the candidate is not able to survive scrutiny of their credentials.

Not only is Obama's birth certificate in question but his school records are in question. He is not allowing his Univ. of Chicago, or his Harvard school records to be released. When was the last time you applied for a job and said "Mr. employer I don't want you to see my records, but give me the job anyway".

Posted on the forum is reference to factcheck.org. FackCheck.org is a project of the Annenburg Public Policy Center funded by the Annenburg Foundation. Barack Obama was chairman and president of the Chicago Annenberg challenge. He was responsible to see that Annenburg got their annual six million dollars year after year. Do I need to say it?

This isn't about politics. This is how we are all being fleeced. This is about how they divide and conquer. It is about the stealing of our nation. And I'm not speaking about Obama.

We must all jump off the wagons we ride and begin to inspect what it is carrying.

And finally, nothing would please me more than for me to be completely and utterly surprised and absolutely wrong that whoever gets in the office of president is the best thing since sliced bread.......by the way did I mention I'm a Chinese fighter pilot.

[Sarahmay]

It grieves me to think one would take pleasure in anyone not being perfect. So for those who will enjoy my back peddling, be assured that with great remorse I see no future for this country in either Obama or McCain.

I apologize if I hurt your feelings with that remark. But firstly, if you think that the world would be better off with Hillary as president, read the Project Camelot looking glass scenarios in which that would end up in nuclear war. Not good for anyone.

Secondly, this ridiculous stuff about Obama's birth certificate is completely false. And nobody should have to release their transcripts (although I wouldn't mind releasing mine, actually).

Y'all are living in a fantasy world. Obama will win, the system isn't perfect but things are evolving, and life will go on.

[zorgon]

Hmmmm Oil Prices already dropping Arabs nervous

Conservatives make major announcement to fix fuel prices just before elections. Everyone says 'Way Kewl" and McCain wins...

Hey what the heck everyone else is in the prophet business I thought I would try my hand at it...

Wasn't McCain born in Panama OUTSIDE the military base?

Hmmmm

Also blacks, hispanics and youths may say they are voting Obama... but when push comes to shove that may not be the way they vote. I would not put money on it.

[Elephant Man]

I want Kermit in there, at least he looks the part. :lmao:

Hilary? I was most suprised when she opted out of the running, then even more when she didnt get the VP position. Something just aint right (apart from the usual bs), forget birth certificates and all that stuff, there is no way that clinton has not been promised something. American elections have always been a show, but this is like a monumental soap opera! barack obama? palin? mccain? far out characters in a zany vaudeville circus, where nothing is even remotely close to real life. Glad I dont have to make a choice in november - jeez its a nuthouse! :shocked:

Peace - I will though be praying for calm and sending goodwill vibes :mf_rosetinted:

[Topper]

The plan is simple and was hinted at two days ago by Sen. Biden. As a result, Biden was removed from the campaign, giving the DNC time to create a diversion. You see, Biden spoke too soon and the DNC was not prepared for it. The hint, as to reason for Obama's removal, was to come after election day, after the winner had been declared, so the office of President couldn't be denied.
The plan created by the DNC and Biden's BIG money friends was to reveal the true nationality of Barak Obama, leaving the evidence to be found by a N.Y. Times journalist. Not being a citizen of the U.S. Obama would be forced to surrender his position as President, leaving it open for Sen. Biden to step in.
What a gaff.

[Streetsdreamer13]

I might as well post this and get my prediction out there and get it over with.

The next president is going to be Hillary Clinton.

In September of 2007 I wrote an article that many on this forum wouldn't care for but if you pm me I would be glad to send you a copy of the article.

The article is called the Nazi Crowley conncection.

Anyway a I published a subsequent article indicating that they will remove Obama about 2 weeks prior to the election leaving plenty of time for Hillary to step up to the plate. This removes her from any lengthy scrutiny that would have exposed her and Bill Clinton's criminal activity.

Here is the start of the removal of Obama

http://www.rense.com/general83/berg.htm

I will be glad to forward the other information if you send me a pm.

Sorry to say my prediction is that Hillary will not be president. lol. Simple. And for your prediction to be correct this would need to happen in the next 2 weeks. Even though we are less than 2 weeks away from the election day... I wonder what you will say when this doesn't come to pass....sounds like another October 14th prediction lol.:naughty::roftl::lol3:

[Waterman]

Topper, it appears there are many possibilities, and your points deserve consideration. It would be interesting to speculate which NY journalist would be assigned the job.

Elephant Man, Yes I agree it is very much a circus with life in general becoming more and more surreal.

SarahMay, your presumption that I would want Hillary is incorrect. In fact I hope I have seen the last of her influence in my life.

Streetdreamer13, thanks for the comment you might want to read the rest of the thread and yes if I am wrong, I will say I'm wrong. In fact, I hope I am wrong.

To get to know a little more about Hillary Clinton you might want to listen to Larry Nichols Live on Blog Talk Radio. He has some very enlightening information. In fact check some of his archived shows, where he talks about the Clintons.

eXchanger, thanks for posting that link to the video. Whew, that was 22 minutes and 22 seconds of some preaching I've not seen in a long time.

[Anticomuna]

Its pretty simple to me. Palin is the key. She is a Christian. Most of the world hates her too-isn't this obvious? She is against same sex marriages. The world is for it and hates her for it. She is against abortion. The world is in total love with abortion and hates anyone against it.

Who told you that? More than 80% of Brazil is against abortion. Same sex marriage is not even an issue here, people understands it is wrong.

I would say that a considerable part of the world is against abortion. Abortion is the destruction of human life, therefore murder. Only people with little regard for the human life want it.

[Anticomuna]

I have read about it. People pointing to other websites to "prove it" aren't aware that the question about this birth certificate is not if it has been shown, but rather that it is a forgery.

So, what does that scanned image prove? Nothing really. This problem wouldn't be a problem at all if Obama didn't make such a secret of his records. Why does he hide things? Does he have something to hide?

I don't know. It seems unlikely that they would let the people choose Obama and then take him out of the office that way. Can you imagine the population's rage to learn that the Führer, the Messiah, the savior, etc, wasn't allowed to work his "miracles"? If today they are already accusing those who don't vote for him of being "racists" or "rednecks", can you imagine what they would do if that actually happens?

If they wanted Hillary there then they would have done the easier way, making sure she was nominated. Why such a clumsy plan to put her there? It doesn't make sense really.

What I think it is going to happen is that Obama will be elected, he won't do anything of what he has promised under the excuse that the economic situation is bad, and he will be just another mediocre president because he doesn't have what it takes to be a leader, he is not bold enough, he is an "appeaser".

[Myra]

It grieves me to think one would take pleasure in anyone not being perfect. So for those who will enjoy my back peddling........

Waterman I'm sorry, I didn't direct my comment at you personally, I hope you didn't misunderstand me! :sorry:

[Elephant Man]

ok, we all get things wrong sometimes. I do have a feeling that waterman is on to something, but if its wrong, well great! he's learned something, I've learned something, we've all learned something. we've looked at the opposites, analysed all angles, done some research. Its not an empty claim, it is backed up with argument and its a lot better to come up with alternative views and be wrong, than to sit in front of the frigging tv with a bowl of popcorn and a beer end just lapping up the **** on tv. I've been a member only a short time here on avalon and man I'm learning so much! its a blast! :original:

[Mikill]

This is way beyone ridiculous.If hillary was going to be president,She would at least be on the ballot for november.All you conspiricy theorists need something else to focus on.I heard someone on here say that Bush/Cheney are going to start WW3 on purpose blah blah....They are too stupid too live much less start the war to destroy mankind.Some things in this world happen because stupid people in power make stupid descicions.IT"S NOT A CONSPIRICY!!!!!!IT"S STUPIDITY!!!!!!!There is no underlying cause.Stop digging.

[Waterman]

The comments about the fact that if Hillary was meant to be president they would have put her on the democratic ticket are very logical. In fact it probably would have been my position a few years ago.

However, there is a reason for not nomimating Hillary. She ran and presented the fact that she wanted the nomination, but didn't get it right? She has therefore demonstrated to the world she is interested in doing the job. Now, with this in mind let's consider the main reason for this bizzare dialectic approach.

Is is because the Clinton's have too many skeletons in the close and those puppeting her would not be able to keep the image up long enough to keep the doors closed on the closets. However, they may have shot themselves in the foot.

If someone is going to replace Obama's spot it seems it should have happened before now to be successful. I previously thought it would only be two weeks then the change would happen, butt because some ballots are already printed and it would require a whole new printing of paper ballots I now think the switch would have occured earlier.

That of course would not be a problem with Diebold (electronic voting machines). And although it is an Israeli company it resides in her district, hmmm?

No we'll have to see how this plays out. This is going to be very interesting.

[THE eXchanger]

I do have a feeling that waterman is on to something:

i also have the same feeling :tongue2:

love/susan
the eXchanger

[Alysse]

Isn't the birthplace of the father put on a legal birth certificate. I wonder where his two children's birth certificate name as his birth place. Then there is the marriage certificate - is the place of birth put on the application? When he was married, he might have still been claiming to be from Kenya - maybe like a badge of honor in some way. There has to be a way to get at the truth.

[peaceandlove]

This was just posted by mntruthseeker under What does it mean?

I thought it might be relevant to this Forum.

Andy Martin, Hawaii, Obama not Barack Obama,
FRANK MARSHALL DAVIS father,
OBAMA’S ORIGINAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE,
INCOMPLETE OR TAMPERED WITH

October 22, 2008

http://citizenwells.wordpress.com/


mntruthseeker:

Andy Martin in Hawaii has information listing Frank Davis as Baracks father. Interesting stuff. Right out of Gramma's mouth.
When will we hear the truth? Once again my question is who is Barrack Obama?

[Darkfang34]

I might as well post this and get my prediction out there and get it over with.

The next president is going to be Hillary Clinton.

In September of 2007 I wrote an article that many on this forum wouldn't care for but if you pm me I would be glad to send you a copy of the article.

The article is called the Nazi Crowley conncection.

Anyway a I published a subsequent article indicating that they will remove Obama about 2 weeks prior to the election leaving plenty of time for Hillary to step up to the plate. This removes her from any lengthy scrutiny that would have exposed her and Bill Clinton's criminal activity.

Here is the start of the removal of Obama

http://www.rense.com/general83/berg.htm

I will be glad to forward the other information if you send me a pm.

They have been speaking of Obama not being a US citizen and taking action upon it. Prehaps you got something there!

[Labratinaz]

2 Points:

1) I have read all sorts of predictions from all sorts of people. It is amazing that they are running 50:50 as to who will actually become President. How can people who are psychics, astrologers, channelers, etc tune into the same energy fields and come up with opposite predictions. Is it possible our personal bias affects that energy field? I find this fascinating. Actually, I have found one one psychic who believes that Hillary will become President because her guide told her. My guides? They aren't speaking to me.

2) This election scenario reminds me of the movie "Trading Places" where a bet is made between two men that they can take someone off the street and make them a broker. I see the same thing happening here with Obama. How else can anyone explain how he got to where he is so quickly if not without the help of TPTB? However, I feel that if TPTB can giveth.... they can taketh away.

We just have to be more patient for this to all play out. In the meantime, for those of you who can vote - do vote. Make your voice count. It is going to be an exhilarating ride. It is going to be close. Mark my words....


Peace and Prosperity

[CosmicFever]

Hillary...President? Personally she's never been removed from my list as a possibility. I do not see a Barack O'Bama presidency and never have. It seems all too staged to me. With the way this election has progressed it's really an "anything can happen" scenerio.

peace,
julie:original:

[Eli in MI]

If Obama ends up proving beyond a shadow of a doubt that he is truly a natural born citizen of the
U.S... great -- upon which, I will continue to question.



Do you ever question your own motives?

He provided proof of citizenship. When are you going to get over it?

Stop spreading disinformation for the PTB.

[Eli in MI]

Because his mother is dead and his Grandmother is in her mid 90's in Hawaii! Can't travel?!? Man, you guys are so cynical about politics that it clouds your judgment when its possible that a man on our side might just be the next president. Yes, you can beat the system, TPAB are not perfect! They are scared to death of him! That is why the Rothschild's and Rocketfellers have now sided with John McCain. The Rothschild's have historically controlled the Democractic party, why switch now? Ofcourse his is going to have some shady people on his team, HE HAS TO PLAY THE GAME TO GET IN!

n/t

[Streetsdreamer13]

Topper, it appears there are many possibilities, and your points deserve consideration. It would be interesting to speculate which NY journalist would be assigned the job.

Elephant Man, Yes I agree it is very much a circus with life in general becoming more and more surreal.

SarahMay, your presumption that I would want Hillary is incorrect. In fact I hope I have seen the last of her influence in my life.

Streetdreamer13, thanks for the comment you might want to read the rest of the thread and yes if I am wrong, I will say I'm wrong. In fact, I hope I am wrong.

To get to know a little more about Hillary Clinton you might want to listen to Larry Nichols Live on Blog Talk Radio. He has some very enlightening information. In fact check some of his archived shows, where he talks about the Clintons.

eXchanger, thanks for posting that link to the video. Whew, that was 22 minutes and 22 seconds of some preaching I've not seen in a long time.

Well my friend today is October 26th 9 days until election day. Your prediction of Obama being removed 2 weeks before election day to make room for Hillary is looking pretty slim since we have passed that time... I just don't see how you could have come to your conclusion on Hillary becoming president even after i have read the entire thread. You said that 2 weeks would leave time for Hillary to step up to the plate and dodge scrutiny of her and Bill's criminal activities. But as it stands we are 9 days away and counting and not enough time for this to happen without creating tremendous outrage throughout the nation. I think you should rethink your theory...:smoke:

[John aka#404]

Do you ever question your own motives?

He provided proof of citizenship. When are you going to get over it?

Stop spreading disinformation for the PTB.

(mod hat off here)

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Never seen a paycheck my friend.

Get over it ? I will.... when they all stop lying.

Obama has not proven anything. Only cronies running around trying to shut things down. In my view the actions of people that have something to hide.

Go and read all of the legal documents. Believing sites that are funded by Obama's campaign most likely have a bias.
NOW... I have no clue what is true. I just want to know what it is. So far, nothing has been proven to me. Just cover
up. The recent Surrick decision does not surprise me. It's wait and see now on the Supreme Court.

When all is said and done, I want to hear the truth... if my perception is wrong then fine... I will reap the consequences then. Living a life of not questioning everything means a life of ignorance and zero growth.

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[Shellie]

Posted on the forum is reference to factcheck.org. FackCheck.org is a project of the Annenburg Public Policy Center funded by the Annenburg Foundation. Barack Obama was chairman and president of the Chicago Annenberg challenge. He was responsible to see that Annenburg got their annual six million dollars year after year. Do I need to say it?





The Annenberg Foundation receives huge donations from... drum roll.... ROCKEFELLER!

Actually, if you look up all of the foundations that are major donors to NPR, they are all funded by Rockefeller.

[Eli in MI]

(mod hat off here)
Go and read all of the legal documents. Believing sites that are funded by Obama's campaign most likely have a bias.
NOW... I have no clue what is true. I just want to know what it is. So far, nothing has been proven to me. Just cover
up. The recent Surrick decision does not surprise me. It's wait and see now on the Supreme Court.


FactCheck is not funded by Obama's campaign. (http://www.factcheck.org/about/) You're drawing parallels that don't exist, friend.

You can delude yourself into being scared of everything forever if that's what you really want. I won't stop you.

You strike me as someone who needs personal proof of anything you question, then when presented with that proof, you deny reality once more just so you can hold on to your fears.

Ask yourself if the imminent Supreme Court decision upholding Obama's citizenship would really convince you anyway. Or will it just provide another brick in your wall of paranoia and delusions?

Good luck in the days ahead.

[John aka#404]

FactCheck is not funded by Obama's campaign. (http://www.factcheck.org/about/) You're drawing parallels that don't exist, friend.

I will take some time the next few days to get some backup on this. If I prove myself
wrong, so be it. I was basing my comment on what has been put forth regarding
Obama's affiliation with the Annenburg Foundation. "Follow the money" is the best tool
for any researcher. But again, I will dig some more. I want to know the truth my friend.

Just my own addition...
I have not posted here because I am an "Obama disliker". I just do not understand why
it is so difficult for somebody applying to the highest position in office to put this to bed by
showing his birth certificate and making Berg look like a fool. Something smells funny
every time delay or distraction occurs.

I am not trying to prove Berg right or think Obama is a criminal. I just want to know why the
side-stepping, why the diversions ?

You can delude yourself into being scared of everything forever if that's what you really want. I won't stop you.

I have read the above a few times over and do not understand where this came from.
I said I question everything. It is who I am. As far as "fearing everything forever"... used
to ages ago until I woke up.

You strike me as someone who needs personal proof of anything you question, then when presented with that proof, you deny reality once more just so you can hold on to your fears.

I do not see what is wrong with desiring personal proof. If somebody comes up to
me and says "this is proof, believe it" and it just doesn't resonate with me why am I
expected to just accept it ? To me that is how religion works. Been there, done that.

Ask yourself if the imminent Supreme Court decision upholding Obama's citizenship would really convince you anyway. Or will it just provide another brick in your wall of paranoia and delusions?

Ok let's play it then:

* Supreme Court dismisses Berg's appeal. I already expect this because the system is
corrupt. Interesting development today that the Governor of Hawaii "sealed" Obama
birth certificate ?? What is that all about ? A part of me wonders if the only way the truth
will come out on all of this is by all of us seeing the tactics used. Wait and see.

* OR, Supreme Court finds Berg's lawsuit in order and it goes further -- be it that Obama
proves his citizenship (good for everybody) or not (possible constitutional crisis depending
when this happens if it does).

Now with all that being said, I do not trust those put in power plain in simple. Call it
paranoia or delusional, fine. I call it being true to myself and listening to my heart.

Good luck in the days ahead.

And to you as well.

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[EDIT]
Eli, just read your post (http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?p=60257#post60257) regarding the Washington Times article. I figured you may
re-link here. Interesting report.

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[Waterman]

Thanks folks for the discussion.

As truth seekers, we navigate around the seen and anticipate the holes over the hill we cannot see.

Experiences help us predict the chuck holes in the road before we go over the hill. And if that hole is big enough an entire car full of people will disappear, needlessly.

If it is a military leader doesn't anticipate properly an entire division can be slaughtered needlessly.

Any idiot can lead an army into battle .....once.

So, learn from your experiences. Is your federal government looking out for the american people?

My experience says the media, and corrupted government will lead the entire nation into a boxed canyon for destruction.

My experience tells me, there is probably very very few in this entire forum that believes that our national leadership is looking out for the people of America.

With that said why would we vote for any of the media baked (yes baked) candidates. We have been sheopled into the elections once again.

My experience tells me, the script for the hand writing on the wall is already written and we are just waiting to see who has been appointed to write the message on the wall.

It is time we take back our conscious. If you are voting, vote your conscious for your own sake, because my experience says that is all that really matters.

[Streetsdreamer13]

The comments about the fact that if Hillary was meant to be president they would have put her on the democratic ticket are very logical. In fact it probably would have been my position a few years ago.

However, there is a reason for not nomimating Hillary. She ran and presented the fact that she wanted the nomination, but didn't get it right? She has therefore demonstrated to the world she is interested in doing the job. Now, with this in mind let's consider the main reason for this bizzare dialectic approach.

Is is because the Clinton's have too many skeletons in the close and those puppeting her would not be able to keep the image up long enough to keep the doors closed on the closets. However, they may have shot themselves in the foot.

If someone is going to replace Obama's spot it seems it should have happened before now to be successful. I previously thought it would only be two weeks then the change would happen, butt because some ballots are already printed and it would require a whole new printing of paper ballots I now think the switch would have occured earlier.

That of course would not be a problem with Diebold (electronic voting machines). And although it is an Israeli company it resides in her district, hmmm?

No we'll have to see how this plays out. This is going to be very interesting.
Glad to see your rethought your radical theory.....no disrespect my friend but i saw that prediction of Hillary being president doomed from the start.

[linkes]

after I watched the bill deagle video on pc he said Hillary is crawling with negative entities

So I went looking for pics of her i find when looking at pics of people I can pickup alot to do with who they are and what they are about.

While looking at her pic of her posing behind a chair I heard a clear male voice say "what are you looking for here" did not feel good so lets just say i believe bill