The Bible, Our Conclusion. by Norval and Gale

[Norval]

Norval L. Cunningham
57, born 1950
Formal education 10 years, I went to 17 schools in 11 years before entering the US Army and
getting my GED. Having lived in all aspects of living conditions from city to town, to country and
on the edge of the wilds gave me quite the varied back ground. There was farm machinery,
trucks, cars, boats, and I learned to fly by the time I was ten. I was interested in all the sciences
and had all the kid's experimental labs, scopes, and apparatus, besides subscriptions to all the
science magazines. Well, till I met girls and played in a rock and roll band. The Army experience,
and yes I was in Viet Nam for about ten months. I have an honorable discharge for my
reinlistment and an "Undesirable" one from my discharge after Nam. Learned to kill, maim, and
destroy, went around the world, came home and I couldn't even buy a beer or a pack of smokes,
as I wasn't old enough. I wasn't 21 yet.
My search for the "truth" began on a beach in Viet Nam. I realized that looking all around me
at the life in the sky, on the land, and in the sea, showed me that "this" could not have "just
happened". I wanted to meet this incredible engineer and designer that created all this. I also sent
off for a $10.00 mail-in Minister Certificate. At the time I thought it would give me access that I
wouldn't get otherwise and it did. Strange notion at the time. After coming home from the service
I stayed at a friend's home where he introduced me to the Jesus Freak movement of the late 60's
and early 70's. I read the New testament before I turned 21, and had read the Old Testament a
few months later. This was a Standard King James Version of 66 books. Over the years I learned
much more about the bibles and what books are in what versions and why.
To earn a living I have worked at numerous jobs from restaurant to photography, from home
designing to electronics repair, minister to construction, taxi driver to bible research, many walks
of life, and finally settled into boat repairing, building, and design work. I retired from that about
15 years ago in 1995 and have been intensely researching the bible and it's predictions full time
since then. Now and then I do some odd job here and there to help with the bills or get moorage
for a reduced rate. Some of what I have is donated by people I have met over the years and
thought it worthwhile to help out in this kind of research and investigations in any way they could.
Now I look back on the past dozen years and I am grateful for this quiet life here on the water.
After settling into Olympia and getting this boat built, for the most part, I also dove into the
world of computers and after moving into this marina 11 years ago, the internet. Some times I am
a slow learner. Or, so it seems. It took a few years and a bunch of experiences to realize that we
are not alone and that there are basically two kinds of opposition on the net. Those we call IAC
agents (Information Acquisition and Control) and those that are not human. Duh, huh. Even our
keyboards are best suited for a hand with six digits. Even before I tied the bible, UFOs and ETs
and all the ancient writings together about 18 years ago, I knew we were not alone. Yes, I too
have seen a UFO, unidentified because I was very interested in aircraft and knew we didn't have
anything like that. I have seen three that I can't explain as anything else. Many say it is only a
recent event in modern times. The fact is, those craft have been with us from the beginning.
Besides the levels of lies down here, there are levels of knowledge and technology amongst the
ET's, both here and up there.
Since Gale and I started working together in this research some 8 years ago, we have seen
some remarkable developments take place in the world. Her side of this story follows and then I
will finish the story with our conclusions.



Gale Smart
51 born 1957

Gawd I hate talking about myself. I would rather just state, the path is the same for everyone
just the scenery is different.

Looking back, the trials of my integrity were fierce, I failed them but I learnt, that was the main
thing.

I tried university, Child Psychology but the second year requires a self evaluation, I failed
because of a simulation example of a child molester without remorse or regret that would do it
again and again I would have no patience for, I would not be able to conform to the
requirements enforced by social and science discipline.

I remember as a child playing outside, hearing the church bell on Sunday and going over to the
church to see what was going on. They rustled me off to the Sunday school to play and colour
pictures. One picture sticks in my mind, it was Jesus sitting with a little girl on his lap, leaning to
take a flower or something from a little boy kneeling in front. I coloured that picture, ran home,
gave it to my mom and said, “look mom, that’s me”, pointing to the little blonde girl. I have
discovered that many out there have a similar memory or experience like that one.

Jumping forward, in 1998 I bought a computer and discovered the Internet. Because of life
stresses, wanting someone to talk to, I joined a chat room. Oddly enough, Norval was a
member of that room, the same group of chatters moved to another chat interface after the
original one closed down. In 2001 when getting advice from one chat individual Norval entered
the chat room, after a while Norval spoke up, I don’t even recall what his statement was or
advice was but a few words floored me. Kingdom, gathering, calling.

From that point on and my inquisitive nature has pushed me to want to know more, I would
rather know than not know.

Norval told me at one point, just read the damn book, it took me some time to do but I did.
Then all new questions needed to be answered. I remember asking him, “what is this about
signs in the heavens”, his response was “well basically anything over your head, go look”. The
link he sent me was the Astronomy Picture of the Day. The August 5, 1998 image caught my
attention, I pondered it then just finally posted Norval the url and asked“13 strikes in a
row, what are the mathematical odds of that?” The investigation into crater chains followed;
then craters and all those bodies in our solar system.

I am originally from Ontario, Canada; my children and I moved to Newfoundland, Canada and
it was from there that I was doing this research with Norval who was on the west coast. In
2002 I felt I had to meet Norval and determine for myself just who is this guy. So I put the
house up for sale, was told by the real estate sales man it would take a year to sell but
amazingly it sold in 2 weeks. So the kids and I were off to the west coast, travelled across
Canada to British Columbia, then down into the United Sates and were waved through border
customs without any hassle.

We spent a couple days in Tacoma, not site seeing but the kids did get to unwind in the pool at
the Days Inn after spending the day on Norval’s boat watching movies or playing their Game
Boys while Mom and Norval discussed research. The ferry ride to Vancouver Island was nice,
got to see a pod of whales, mountain goat on one of the small islands and fed seagulls from the
deck of the ferry.

What we had learnt was real; the research was real and where to go from there. After the kids
and I got settled in Sooke, British Columbia the next task was to examine what the S.E.T.I.
protocols were, contact them, contact the science communities, contact the disclosure project,
Hoagland, the media and even contacted a Scientist at NASA. The NASA scientist requested a
copy of the research, which I did fax to him and his reply was as Norval has previously posted,
those who run the fastest run the loneliest, they didn’t believe Louis Pasteur either, this research
bridges the gap between religion and science and to submit the research for funding with the
instruction where to submit. Needless to say our funding submission was hit with a virus and the
report wording was scrambled.

The next few years was spent discussing this information online, discovering the online forums,
discovering who is posting at the forum and why. Discovering who is hijacking the information
highway, their roadblocks, their methodologies, their attitudes, and techniques and identifying
them; all the while raising three kids and maintaining a home.

An interesting side note, my son’s grade 8 teacher was a theologist not a teacher, looking back
now I can see she did her best to screw up his grade 8 learning, even sending me homework
nightly, needless to say she is not teaching anymore.

That brings us up to Avalon, disclosure, Norval and I posting this research and seeing
responses from posters that are of like minds, understanding and actually helping despite the
agents and disrupters. But we know who and what they are, some are very good at mimicking
us humans (some are human traitors) but these ones will trip themselves up to inadvertently
reveal their true nature.

I hope this is helpful to satisfy any questions and curiosities about myself.



Conclusions

BIBLE
Basic Instructions Before Leaving Earth
This was posted by Bennycog here.
http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/showpost.php?p=41403&postcount=12


We have told much of what we have learned in our research already in the threads we have
started and a bit of it in other's threads. So we offer our posts here for most of the story and
information needed to understand the bible UFO/ET connection. Is it the truth as some ask? All
of you have to be the judges of that for yourselves. What we do know is that the US government
knew about that war in our solar system but probably didn't know for sure when it all happened.
There are those of mankind in the world that have known about the bad ETs (fallen angels)
amongst us all along. Just like there have been the good ETs (angels) helping us at times. Those
strangers that show up unexpectedly, help out as needed, then are gone.
What the governments and people of our world working with these ETs down here didn't
know was that these ETs were the cast down losers of that war. Gale and I know that since
September of 2002 they knew because we told everyone we could all about it. What we find
truly amazing is that we are now putting the whole story out there in the public domain; or that
possibly even this forum is a blind or hoax. We have done our part in investigating and researching
what we have presented. We have blown the whistle, or as some would call it, blown the horn of
warning.
At this time, amongst mankind, are some very important humans. They have been selected to
help all who want to understand what I and Gale are saying. No, not everyone is going to
understand, many will actually be prevented from understanding, even if you explain this to them in
detail. Thus, as it is written, only one third will come through this alive. This has been stated
before. How many of the bad ETs here on and under earth will survive, we do not know. It is
only stated that those that survive, of the bad ETs, will be locked up for a thousand years. As for
the Called Ones amongst you now that know these things to be true, that we are saying, they will
help you with all the rest of the story of how to understand the bible. We can help them come up
to speed about what they have been given to know already and they, in turn, will be helping many
others.
Why here, why now? We have no idea. Yet, isn't that what Camelot / Avalon are all about?
The discovery of information and then preparation based on that information? Well, here is some
information that has been in our hands for over two thousand years and could only be understood
in our modern times. There is also all the necessary knowledge for those that will live through this
coming disclosure and subsequent "cleansing" of unwanted bad neighbors here on earth. Yes,
there is a lot of information for "The Ground Crew". Think of it like getting the whole world ready
to greet the King of the Universe. The bible is coming true, just not quite like the religions said it
would.
This forum works two ways and possibly three. Sort of like tri-level chess. There are three
kinds of posters here. Those that will live and enjoy life restored to their youth and many of them
will get to go out amongst the stars. Those that will die in the coming vengeance by our King as
not the kind we would want for neighbors. And finally those that will be locked up for the next
thousand years that survive our King's wrath. (And no, they will not have access to any
communications devices.)
We have stated before how to identify these bad ETs amongst us here at the forum. Simply
stated it is by psychologically profiling them. The same way as we can tell who amongst you are
what we call the Called Ones. Those that the bible says are called to be Saints, Chosen, or Elect.
And then there are the ones that do not have the calling and are just good human neighbors

Norval L. Cunningham
Gale Smart
This ends our self made interview for Camelot and Avalon.

[Norval]

Now if yah all don't mind, taking a bit of time off, , :original:

[beauwalton@rocketmail.com]

That was wonderfull, thanks for the insight, Norval, is there a Bible available that is easy to understand, I have read and re-read many parts of the Bible and it just doesn't go in my thick head? I found 2nd Esdras very difficult this week!

[omshanti2]

Thank you Norval and Gale for all your hard work, and for time you have lost researching, time that you could have spent with your family/loved ones, and thank you for being so kind as to share it with us all, and thanks be to Jesus for bringing us all together at such an important time.
Now have a well earned rest Norval and gale.

[Operator]

That was wonderfull, thanks for the insight, Norval, is there a Bible available that is easy to understand, I have read and re-read many parts of the Bible and it just doesn't go in my thick head? I found 2nd Esdras very difficult this week!

http://www.biblegateway.com/

Here you can do all kind of searches and compare versions ...

E.g. Job 38:31 , only "The Message (MSG)" is mentioning Venus and the others are not .... (Does it mean something ?).

It's very interesting how subtle difference in formulation can make a BIG difference !

Cheers

[beauwalton@rocketmail.com]

http://www.biblegateway.com/

Here you can do all kind of searches and compare versions ...

E.g. Job 38:31 , only "The Message (MSG)" is mentioning Venus and the others are not .... (Does it mean something ?).

It's very interesting how subtle difference in formulation can make a BIG difference !

Cheers
Yeah for sure, thanks for the tip!

[arcora]

Thanks for the hard work and patience Norval & Gale. I hope you'll be around from time to time because your information sans religionism is good medicine.

http://www.biblegateway.com/

Here you can do all kind of searches and compare versions ...

E.g. Job 38:31 , only "The Message (MSG)" is mentioning Venus and the others are not .... (Does it mean something ?).

It's very interesting how subtle difference in formulation can make a BIG difference !

Cheers

Subtle differences can make a big difference but the core message is the same across all versions. Rather than getting bogged down in a single verse or a phrase, it can be helpful to focus on the main themes and apply comprehension to the whole.

[Pomguymguy]

Many Thanks Norval and Gale - I hold your message(s) in very high regard -
I too was born in the same year as you, Norval (this time around)

Your knowlege has filled many gaps in the big picture.

Message for the Ground Crew - If you stay calm, while all around you is in chaos.... then you probably haven't completely understood the situation.:wall: Keep going ... the truth lies just on the other side.....

Regards Paul R

[Norval]

Part Two begins with this;

The Bible, as a Legal Case EXOPOLITICAL

This is a "Whistle Blowing" exposure of the fact the great nations of earth are now aware
of

When the gift of sentient intelligent awareness is given to one it becomes the responsibility
of the creator of that life form, to include the actions of that created life form, towards all
other life forms. That is the core meat of the matter that we are now faced with in this
legal and just case against the nations and people of earth.

There is a legal case against the nations and the people of this planet. It was filed with the
people of earth over two thousand years ago and is readily available to almost everyone
today. Especially to those in power in the most powerful nation on earth today. They
swear into their offices on the bible. Even their legal tender says, "IN GOD WE TRUST".

As the bible states that we are a created race, our creators then have a legal and just
reason for responsibly governing all mankind. We are not being given a choice in the
matter and method of our governance. As stated we are to live by the codes of this
Kingdom of the Galaxies just as those living in those galaxies have agreed to. All of those
living on, or under, this planet have been given the choice of living by the codes of the
Kingdom, both ETs and mankind that are now here. This coming ruler ship of the
Kingdom of the Galaxies that the bible also presents as a legal document is in your hands.

Those that opposed the Kingdom, for what ever reason of jealousy or greed and ego,
have been defeated are are now humbled by being thrown down to earth. The war that
defeated these ETs that were in opposition to that government of the galaxies is now at
your doors. These losers here are now trying their best to keep everyone away from this
important message of the bible. Their methods are always the same and are easily seen in
this and all other forums that concern mankind.

Denial of this exopolitical position, as stated in the bible, is no excuse.
Think of King Jesus as far more than King Arthur of Camelot was. :original:

[100thmonkey]

Norval, I don't think you even realise what a negative force you are promoting upon the people of this forum.

I have opposed your ideas several times on Avalon.
I respect that you want to see the bible through non-religious eye's. That's my goal too. All myths and legends have something to teach us, and often record things we moderners just couldn't believe would actually be true - but they saw with their own eye's...

I understand how you came to your conclusions about war in the solar system. Your photo's are pretty unexplainable to conventional modern science but, I've shown you several alternate explanations based on the Electric Univese theory.
Something supported by verifiable, repeatable science. You don't like to face it though - and yet continue to gather naive supporters around you.

Yet I see from your first post above why this is so.
How can all that lifetime story have been headed in the wrong direction?
There's too much effort made, too much time invested, to drop it all. Too big a pill to swallow - that you were wrong.
Too many people you've convinced, followers in your wake, to have to turn and say, "woops".
So just plough on, despite the new understandings arising in the world around you.


When I joined this forum I was excited to 'be there at the start' of a new place, a new community - formed around the idea's in Camelot and Avalon.

Maybe it was naive of me, but I didn't expect there would be self-appointed guru's arriving, self-styled 'whistleblowers' bringing their cultish followers with them, making claims over this planet and all it's occupants, themselves somehow more "important people" than any who would oppose - of course.

So, does that make me a 'human traitor' to you?
Am I an 'IAC'?

Or must I not even be human?
Just a 'bad' ET?

Does that make it easier for you to ignore the things that I say, because I'm just a 'disruptor', fit to "Die in the coming vengeance of your King"?

Dehumanising ones 'enemies' is how all tyrants operate. It's how holocausts are driven. How soldiers are led to commit attrocities...

So is it the 'bad' ET's that are going to destroy two thirds of humanity?
...or the supposed 'good' ET's led by 'King Jesus'?

In Revelation 19 it says he will "rule with a Rod of Iron", and slay all, "free men and slaves, small and great".
Doesn't that make him 'bad' - at all?

If that is 'good' then what does good even mean?


Does Might = Right?
Should I kneel before King Jesus just because he's the biggest and the infinitely toughest and he'll kill me if I don't?

...No, I should just put my free will to obeying him... it's better for everyone that way...
Yeah, it's not a prison - until you've tried the door.
:zip:

I'm an honest man.
That's all I need to stand before any judge.
In fact I'd say judge not - lest ye be judged...
I've presented my reasons for doubting this King Jesus story, with evidence and science.
Yet even if I'm wrong I still can't be held accountable against it, because I have honestly investigated it and am convinced by the reasoning.

Honesty.

I may be yet deceived, but not through any fault of my own. I have done all that I honestly can and still 'somehow' I end up doubting your King Jesus and his supposed authority.

Am I worthy then to be punished?
Locked up for a thousand years, with no communications?
Or just killed?

Hardly.
Shouldn't the one's doing the deceiving be the one's punished, not the honest people who have just tried to understand what they've been presented, from several different views - even if they fail?

So, even if your 'King Jesus returning' story is true, I still am justified in resisting him. I can see no other moral thing to do.


Have you done a psychological profile of me, as you say you do?
Am I worth it?
Do you let Avalon forum members know that you've decided to draw up a psychological profile on them when you do?

When King Jesus arrives will you turn us in?


Do you see that I'm just a full spectrum rebel?
I don't like the idea of submitting to anyone, reptile or angel, supreme being or mother nature, man or beast, ET or internet pos(t)er.

So, I deny your strange cult's, or anyone's, supposed 'legal' claim over me and my personal sovereignty.
I never signed any contract to any authority, creator or not, granting them rights over my fate. I am inherently important, if to noone else at least to myself. Anything breaching that is bondage - and has no justification.

I will not submit to any king, or lord, or authority (bar the mods :naughty:)) but I am open to reason...

Really, ultimately, no 'story' matters, galactic or personal.
I'm here to understand the Universe and how it works, what we are and our true spiritual nature, not just the galactic soapy of who owns what or who,
or who did what to who and is going to get payback.

Freedom. :sneaky2:

[arcora]

@Monkey

I will give you a thought experiment and I hope you'll consider it honestly.

Let's say you created something. Or, better yet, let's say you clone yourself. You want to have some help with your work, or help you around the house. So you bee-bop on down to the genetecist and order three little 'mini-me's created to help you.

Your three clones arrive.

Clone 1 knows that without you he wouldn't exist. So he appreciates you and does what you ask - knowing that you wouldn't ever ask him to do something that wasn't in the best interest of you and the other clones. He's happy to help wherever his help is needed.

Clone 2 is disrespectful. He thinks he's better than you and wants to be the guy calling the shots. He talks smack about you and doesn't like Clone 1. He's always stirring up trouble in your home.

Clone 3 just does whatever he feels like doing. He doesn't have an opinion about you or the other two clones. He doesn't take orders from you or anyone - he just does whatever he wants and doesn't care about anyone or anything except himself.

One day Clone 2 decides that he's had enough of Clone 1 doing whatever you say and showing you proper respect.

You walk into a room and find Clone 2 with a knife at Clone 1's throat. Clone 3 is just standing there watching, doing nothing to help.

You decide that the clones aren't really working out the way you had hoped. What would you do?

[Esther]

Because of life events that are now unimportant, I dug into the Bible, other sacred books and almost every -ology on this planet. I have been at it for over 45 years.

The most faithful biblical translation is the Pe****ta by Dr. George Lamsa, an Assyrian scholar, because it is directly from the Aramaic and bypasses the major difficulty proposed by using another language as an intermediary. I have read many different translations. The Pe****ta is different and better.

http://www.aramaicpe****ta.com/George%20Lamsa.htm

For anyone who has read the Bible once, twice and even more than that, it would serve a most important purpose to read a book by a document expert (the ones courts rely on for veracity and authenticity of texts, etc.) entitled The Holy Virus, an excellent dissertation of where and when the Bible was altered with numerous texts to support his studies. Lional Parkinson's website:

http://holyvirus.net/

There is a 10,000 challenge there to anyone who can prove Jesus was a sacrificial offering.

I think people should pay to read his book. But, the author considers the topic so important that he told the publisher to relay a free copy to me to distribute as I see fit when I made a comment in reference to his book. I have it as a pdf file. Contact me if you so wish.

To the ones who read et's in all of this, please reflect on the issue that all is subjected to a most benevolent force in the Universe who has nothing to do with the messes we get ourselves into. The Bible, not a book but a collection of manuscripts, was narrated in a primitive way, so that primitive and uneducated people could relate to a story. If one wants to read 100% infalliblity in it, the ones who do not think so have a lot of ammunition.

To those who think energies whether magnetic, electrical or otherwise can exist just because, dig some more.

No offense intended is intended in any of the words in this post. Times are too important for anything but the truth without an agenda may it be Christian, gnostic or atheistic.

The fact that the Bible and other religious books have been used by those with an agenda, does not take away from their contribution. The fact that these books have been distorted throws a light on the whys.

There are a lot of young minds in this forum. My advice is to steer away from ad hominem attacks. They serve no purpose. Just try to find out why the idea of a vengeful god was placed in front of our eyes. A distraction...

No one can teach us anything. We take ourselves through a journey. And most importantly, the only thing that really matters is what we have within our hearts.

[Norval]

Monkey, for the One Hundredth Time
We have stated, several times, the outcome of ones actions is what judges ones self. So,
your choice, is it not? You live under the laws/rules/codes, of Australia, do you not? It
will be your choice to accept the coming governance by an intergalactic King, will it not?

Personally, myself, after having studied the codes of the Kingdom as stated in the bible,
have agreed to what it says and will lay down my life for that government. The
government, of which I live under here in the usa, bestowed upon me diplomatic
immunity, by reason of impartiality, as a representative of the Kingdom of the Universe. It
was not my call, it was by decree of the usa government. We pose no threat to them and
do not condone any physical action against the governments of this world at this time, and
they know that. Gale and I are only investigators, researchers, someone that wanted to
find out what was going on. We did.

Everyone has the choice to decide for themselves when events happen, what to do. You,
your neighbor, the ones down the block, and across town. All will decide for themselves. :original:

Thank you Esther.

[broken arrow]

.

[Norval]

Thank you broken arrow.

[100thmonkey]

Monkey, for the One Hundredth Time:roll1:
I think you've actually only replied to me once before, but anyway, paint me as an ignoramus if you must...

We have stated, several times, the outcome of ones actions is what judges ones self. So, your choice, is it not? You live under the laws/rules/codes, of Australia, do you not? It will be your choice to accept the coming governance by an intergalactic King, will it not?Assuming that happens, yes... but my actions are guided by honesty.
Honesty is what gives me the right to be wrong ...and not be punished for it.
Everyone has the choice to decide for themselves when events happen, what to do. You, your neighbor, the ones down the block, and across town. All will decide for themselves. :original:For sure.
Except you are saying that anyone who chooses anything different to what King Jesus wants will then be killed or incarcerated. :zip:
Why do you assume that is justified?

To me it's no better than any Illuminati, NWO, Reptilian, whatever Fascist regime you can think of, horror story.
It boggles me how you are so accepting of it, even to the point of giving your life for it...?!

.... Gale and I are only investigators, researchers, someone that wanted to find out what was going on. We did. So why are you sowing division among the forum?
Anyone who disagrees with you gets 'psychologically profiled'?
You define all the 'types' of people here on the forum, dividing us up into good or bad. 'Good' is anyone who goes along with what you declare and submits to King Jesus.
'Bad' is anyone else, fit to be killed in vengeance, or just locked up?
I'm just repeating your words.

Pardon me if I don't accept that.
I know I'm none of those enemies you declare. I assure you, you can trust me as a 'good neighbour' (I'm quiet in real life), and yes your kids and your anus are safe around me - and I'm sure most others on this forum are the same, regardless their level of acceptance of your message...

Yet your categories make me one of those you consider less than human, fit to die, etc.
:nono: :darthvader:

[100thmonkey]

...You decide that the clones aren't really working out the way you had hoped. What would you do?Well obviously Clone 2 would have to be shot dead on the spot, and Clone 3 locked up until he learns to love me...?
:sneaky2: :nono:

If they don't want to be with me I'd set them free, actually before it got to that level.

If you want an answer related directly to the immediate situation, Clone 2 has a knife at Clone 1...? Maybe I'd step in and try to protect C1? I don't know, it's hard to predict a pressure situation.

If you're talking about the ethics of it all. I would never expect the clones to be my slaves in the first place.
They are sentient free-will beings, just like me.
Clone 1 wants to help? Great.
Clone 2 and 3 don't? Okay, go live your lives.

If I had made mechanical robot helpers, then maybe I'd dismantle them, but not thinking, feeling, sentient free will beings.

So, which clone am I?
Is there a Clone 4?

I'm not Clone 2. I'm not going to randomly attack without personal provocation.

I'm not Clone 3. I do have opinions, and I do care about my effect on others.

If I knew the guy who made me was a nice guy, not prone to fascist control or manipulation, I might well be inclined to go the way of Clone 1.
I don't mind helping out for a worthwhile cause - as long as I'm not forced, or guilted, into it (a system that forces all to comply would not be considered a 'worthwhile cause' by me).

Is that enough for you?

[arcora]

Is that enough for you?

Thanks but it isn't for me - it's for you.

Would you really allow clone 2 (an attempted murderer) to go free and potentially harm others?

:original:

[Norval]

If indeed you are as you say you are Monkey, then :welcomeani: neighbor!

It is the ones that are not good neighbors and will never be good neighbors that are to be
destroyed, forever.

Personally it does not settle with me to lock any sentient intelligent life up for wrong doing.
If you don't work, you don't eat.
I for one will not feed any that have to be locked up to protect the rest of us from them.
The ones that do bad in our community will either repay the bad they did, or they will not
be given the chance to ever do it again. The attitude of the perpetrator is what governs the
outcome for them.

You failed to acknowledge your current governing authority you live under, and all it's
"laws". Compare that to the codes of the the Kingdom. No more political BS, no more
religious BS, and no more legal BS. True justice would be very refreshing, at least to me.

[Truth voice 2012]

I always keep an eye out for your input Norval. Absolutely right as always. Thanx for the great thread. Enjoy your time out.

[100thmonkey]

Would you really allow clone 2 (an attempted murderer) to go free and potentially harm others?I get what you're saying, but a potential murderer is not the same as a simple dissenter against some self-imposed alien 'King'.

All concepts of 'Justice' are artificial and none have any real right to impose their own judgements upon others.

For most people, it's not their fault that they've been deceived all their life and led into a life of ignorance and 'folly' by the PTB.
If someone was to just come along and wipe out all those that don't yet fit the perfect mould then mankind's spiritual evolution will not only have been stunted, but hijacked.

I'm just having a hard time seeing the difference between the 'good' society a 'King Jesus' would impose - through purges of those 'undesirables', as described in the gospel according to Norval - and the 'good' society of someone like Hitler, who also purged those that he considered undesirable, all for the ideal of a 'perfect society' - from his perspective...

The ends doesn't justify the means.

If it's so heinous for something like the Georgia Guidestones to plot the elimination of billions of humans, why is it okay for King Jesus to do the same?
They're the same people getting killed off, are they not?

How are we supposed to be falling over in love with this guy? :winksmiley02:

[arcora]

"His perspective" [God's] is that he created us and, as such, we belong to Him. He makes the rules. It isn't our place to judge Him. It is our place to be judged by Him.

It would be a wicked judge that allowed the wicked to go free and further opress the righteous.

He is sending a just, fair and incorruptible king to govern us - perhaps because we have proven ourselves unable to govern ourselves properly.

Anyone who is ardently opposed to being held as chattel or doesn't want to abide by the new rules can opt out of the system.

[Gale]

There are some that no matter how hard you try to explain the facts they will never understand. They have been blinded. II Thessalonians 2:11

[arcora]

There are some that no matter how hard you try to explain the facts they will never understand. They have been blinded. II Thessalonians 2:11

Can't hurt to try.

[Gale]

Arcora don't forget it's

:offtopic:

It is about:

Part Two begins with this;

The Bible, as a Legal Case EXOPOLITICAL..............

[Norval]

As this "legal case" against the nations and people is now upon all who live on this planet,
Gale and I only present what the bible has to say about it.

These points of fact from the bible are not arguable, only discussible. When ones try to
worm their way around and out of what is stated, feigning ignorance and attempting
denial, we can easily see their squirming for what it really is.

Given the hard core facts of what the bible presents will give ones the truth that can read
it.

[whitecrow]

The most faithful biblical translation is the Pe****ta by Dr. George Lamsa, an Assyrian scholar, because it is directly from the Aramaic and bypasses the major difficulty proposed by using another language as an intermediary. I have read many different translations. The Pe****ta is different and better.

http://www.aramaicpe****ta.com/George%20Lamsa.htm


Thank you Esther, for a great post. I will second the Pe****ta. It was the first Bible I read cover-to-cover, back in the early 70s. It has many subtle but intriguing differences from our traditional Bible - no bombshells, just small things that make sense. For instance, instead of the camel through the eye of a needle, the Pe****ta says it's harder for a rope to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter Heaven. A footnote explains that in Aramaic, the difference between camel and rope is simply a small dot like the dot on an i.

When I simply read the Bible, I find the NIV handy. It's readable and reasonably accurate. For study, though, I need every translation I have spread out on the table before me.

[100thmonkey]

"You can safely assume that you've created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do."
-Anne Lamott

"His perspective" [God's] is that he created us and, as such, we belong to Him.Which doesn't supercede our inherent rights as sentient freewill beings...

He is sending a just, fair and incorruptible king to govern us - perhaps because we have proven ourselves unable to govern ourselves properly.But first to wipe two thirds of us out? That's the just and fair thing?

As I say, mankind has hardly been given the chance, let alone the education, to prove ourselves. For most of humanity's history the secrets of enlightenment have been kept hidden.
Not only that but programs have been put in place to keep us that way, to play on our lower nature and stir it up to dominance, rather than putting in place education programs to specifically enlighten people.
Imagine if the Illuminati were actually open and willingly shared and helped the people they rule instead of abusing them. The world would be revolutionised, a golden age.
It's only now in the internet age that that's changing.

The thing is though, we have to do it for ourselves, in order for the final product to be stronger - and we CAN do it for ourselves. It's starting already.

For some outsider to come along and just solve it all for us defeats the point of our creation.

Anyone who is ardently opposed to being held as chattel or doesn't want to abide by the new rules can opt out of the system.Really? I hadn't heard that part of the story yet, aside from those killed and incarcerated...?

Yet also, are you saying you're happy to be considered chattel, really?
:nono:
I'm starting to lose confidence in your rationality, let alone your self-esteem (or your opinion of others around you).
Humility is one thing, but this is extreme.

It isn't our place to judge Him. It is our place to be judged by Him.
He makes the rules.There's no basis for that claim, other than the self-proclaimed authority of the bible. The potter and clay argument. Which, in those areas, I would say is a tool for controlling populations.
With the point ultimately being to 'Give unto Caesar that which is Caesar's' ...meekly.
:sneaky2:

The only judgment that matters is each individuals upon themself.
I am important and valuable to myself. No one has a right to deny that or take that from me. Any one, Creator or not, who would say to me, "No, you are not worthy, you will be forced to submit to my will..." is deluded.
Only our physical body can be constrained by force, not our eternal spirit, our true self.

There's a saying you might have heard, 'Judge not lest ye be judged'.
If someone is going to decide something for someone else they are inevitably going to be brought into question themselves by those they're imposing upon, looking for qualifications, hypocrisy, etc...

It's self-evident that the creation is based upon the creator's simple desire for experience, and that we are part of the creator.

The fact that the creator created in the first place shows that he didn't feel complete. He wasn't happy with eternal solitude and desired more. He needed further experience, and so created the mechanisms to provide that - the Universe (and being the only thing in existence, the substance he used for this creation was his own self).
Therefore, in this creation he is subject to the growth and change that it's experience inevitably brings -indeed it is the purpose (as opposed to the claimed unchangeability of the bible's 'god').

So the 'rules' are only those natural scientific laws, not moral impositions.
There is no objective basis for any higher morality from him than from ourselves - in fact the point is that he is 'hands off' in such matters.

The creator doesn't care about 'ruling'. The only thing that comes close to 'justice' in the universe is the fact he's not going to permanently harm himself (us) and we will all ultimately return to our source, through the awareness that life experience inevitably brings.

He's not coming to us, we're heading to him.
There will be no one destroyed 'forever'.

Our existence is not about judgement, just experience.

[Norval]

Esther,
"No one can teach us anything. We take ourselves through a journey. And most
importantly, the only thing that really matters is what we have within our hearts."

I, for one, am very grateful to those that have taken their time to teach me. As a retired
master shipwright in boat building and repair, or as a researcher of the bible, those that
taught me have earned my respect and gratitude. Yet in the end, yes, it is your own
"heart" that will judge you.

Whitecrow,
"When I simply read the Bible, I find the NIV handy. It's readable and reasonably
accurate. For study, though, I need every translation I have spread out on the table
before me."

Oh gawd, I remember those days of researching books on tables. There were two 1.2 m
x 2.2 m (4 foot by 8 foot) tables at the bible study center and many times they were two
books deep doing cross comparisons. I am so grateful for computers now. :thumb_yello:
You do realize that the Pe****ta was translated from the original Kione Greek new testament
writings into Aramaic, so the part you mentioned won't work in the original Greek
writings. But it is interesting, thank you. The "Needles Eye" was actually a small narrow
single person entrance along side the main gates.

Note that the Rich man getting into heaven was going to be all most impossible, as stated
in the bible. Now look at this very forum and note the many threads and readers about
Economy and Currency, ones can clearly see where people's interest lays.


There will always be a form of currency and the Kingdom is no different in that. The
whole key to understanding the bible is by accepting, or at least entertaining the thought,
that it represents the governance of the galaxies. While many attempt to twist it's simple
truths that were wrote in a language that had but four to five thousand words in them. Not
a whole lot of room for error or tampering there. The old "laws", of what is called the old
testament, are to be used as guide lines for repayment of harm. It is the attitude of the one
that caused the harm that could gain forgiveness, as taught by the writings of the new
testament. As it is written, those that do harm should be confronted first in private by the
one knowing of the wrong. If the person persists in wrong doing then the matter is taken
up with another another "neighbor" as witness. If the person still persists in wrong doing it
is brought before the community council. That is for simple matters. Matters of a more
grave harm can be dealt with swiftly and should be.

[Patrick]

Norval there are two Jesus's.
One is the physical corruptible image made by man, and the second is the SoT [Spirit of Truth] which makes up the body of the Spirit -of which God, the Father of the man Jesus -was within the flesh.
We are all the same body, and will die in this body of our death, because the Father lives in each of us.
********************
They (Serpentine Race[s]), are coming and will be quite Open about it, like in the old days.

Norval, you are helping corrupt the humble and meek souls that have been seeking wisdom.

When SoT comes in, Satan is dethroned and the host can allow the Spirit to lead it in the paths of righteousness.

You will be looking for a throne made of hands, a building, in Jerusalem.
Have you not read the simplest of Truth and that God's temple is not made of hands, but the human body, the host -seated in the humble and meek of this world?

Continue at your own loss.
Or change direction and help.
Remember your first love Norval and Gale.
***********************

pso

[Patrick]

Yes there is evidence of these wars in the heavenly bodies.
Yes, there is a war within the members of the flesh -in an effort to dethrone Satan, which is born naturally in the host.

Only SoT [Spirit of Truth] can win this spiritual Armageddon.

Your research is also misleading.

The enemy above -a macrocosm of the enemy within, will be coming in physical form.
However, if God be for you, whom can be against?
Yes , God's army is coming back, but it is not what you think.

I demand a trial.
I have a right to be in this host.
The moment they allowed this to happen, they broke their own contract.
My advocate is in the Father, my witness is in the Mother.

The only death coming will be at the hands of our own kind, and the only God[s] coming are the same usurpers as before.

There is no escape for them, but for us, when we are unclothed in this flesh, we will be secured.

And if we are alive here, when God returns, we will light up the worlds.
They will not, and so they will have nowhere to hide.

Now ask yourself, is this to hunt them down and slay them?
No, it is to be an living example.

let God be the judge and deal with them.
It is only our place to judge those WITHIN, not without.
Should I also now, judge you and Gale?

This is a property rights issue.
God is the judge for humanity, we are the judge for those which crept in unawares and misled the ignorant.


pso

[arcora]

There is ample evidence of physical 3-d beings working behind the scenes and calling the shots for the illuminati and our 'leaders'.

Why doubt that there will be a physical 3-d return of the King?

[Patrick]

There is ample evidence of physical 3-d beings working behind the scenes and calling the shots for the illuminati and our 'leaders'.

Why doubt that there will be a physical 3-d return of the King?

There is no doubt there will be such a return.
But it is the flesh that will rule the flesh, and their hope -permanently -the spirit.

IF we collectively give consent for their rule, then we give up our rights, all of them.

the true King is what Jesus taught, is within us.
These are my brothers and sisters, mothers, and fathers...

His death was /is our death.
His cross is/was our cross.

Until we see the host as a physical manifestation of the Spirit within, and not the other way around, we will be duped and subjected to tyrants.

******************
The 3d World is just that, the World.
We are in the world, not of it.

That si the message of Jesus
Not the idolized corrupted image of a god-man, but of a flesh and blood human which understood that only way for God to free humanity, was to become humanity.

We are that humanity.
They will not succeed.
we know this because we will transmogrify, while they will wither and die.

**********************

[Norval]

It seems to me that this physical world suits my physical body just fine. I greatly enjoy all
my tactile sensations this body provides. Should I be changed in the blink of an eye to
another physical form, I am reassured by what is also written that it too will be a physical
one.

Transmogrify
to change in appearance or form, esp. strangely or grotesquely; transform.

Transform
1. to change in form, appearance, or structure; metamorphose.
2. to change in condition, nature, or character; convert.

Your choice I guess. :original:

[Esther]

Esther,


I, for one, am very grateful to those that have taken their time to teach me. As a retired master shipwright in boat building and repair, or as a researcher of the bible, those that taught me have earned my respect and gratitude. Yet in the end, yes, it is your own "heart" that will judge you.

You were ready, otherwise the teaching would not have occurred. I am grateful as well, but I was ready.

Whitecrow,


Oh gawd, I remember those days of researching books on tables. There were two 1.2 m x 2.2 m (4 foot by 8 foot) tables at the bible study center and many times they were two books deep doing cross comparisons. I am so grateful for computers now. :thumb_yello:You do realize that the Pe****ta was translated from the original Kione Greek new testament writings into Aramaic, so the part you mentioned won't work in the original Greek
writings. But it is interesting, thank you. The "Needles Eye" was actually a small narrow single person entrance along side the main gates.

"These are claims that are highly contested in Western Christianity. The common misconception that the New Testament was originally penned in Greek still persists today in a vast majority of Christian denominations. Most scholars and theologians acknowledge that Eshoo Mshikha, the Apostles, and the Jews in general spoke Aramaic indeed many instances of Aramaic survive in the Greek New testament manuscripts. However, they still maintain that the New Testament was penned in Greek by the Apostles and disciples of Mshikha.

Aramaic Lectionary - about
A.D. 550. Pierpont Morgan Library
New York, N.Y.

The Church of the East has always rejected this claim. We believe that the Books of the New Testament were originally penned in Aramaic, and later translated into Greek by first-century Gentile Christians in the West, but never in the East, where the Aramaic was the Lingua Franca of the Persian Empire. We also hold and maintain that after the books were translated into Greek, the Aramaic originals were discarded, for by now the Church in the West was almost completely Gentile and Greek-speaking. This was not the case in the East, which had a Jewish majority (especially in Babylon and Adiabene) for a much longer period. Even when the Church of the East became mostly Gentile, the Aramaic was preserved and used rather than translated into the various vernacular languages of the regions to the East of the Euphrates river."

http://www.pe****ta.org/initial/pe****ta.html

These regions have been isolated for hundreds of years and their language and history has been preserved, regardless of the West's misconception and erroneous concept that only Western theories are valid.

[Norval]

Then I guess the choice is ours. :thumb_yello:

[100thmonkey]

The whole key to understanding the bible is by accepting, or at least entertaining the thought, that it represents the governance of the galaxies.

Why doubt that there will be a physical 3-d return of the King?

There likely will be a revelation, or arrival, of ET's on Earth sometime, maybe soon, and they may well be from some Galactic Federation or Council or similar. I wouldn't deny that.

However, any claims by them to have the authority of the Creator himself, or by their King to be the Creator incarnate, are no more valid than can be claimed by the rest of us, as either individuals or communities.

We are all the Creator incarnate, we all have freedom and authority over our own minds.

If ET's arrived I'd be the first to want to greet them.
If they start trying to impose their own laws then that's another thing. It would then have to be an invasion and conquest for them to claim any 'authority' greater than the one's already in place over us.

If indeed they start claiming ties to the bible and judaeo-christian mythology for legitimacy in this, then I would see that as a warning sign that these could well be our own NWO types raising a false flag - following the script given in the bible, which they know many are expecting to be fulfilled.


If, on the other hand, they arrived and liberated mankind from it's present domination, bringing enlightenment, etc. I couldn't complain, yet even then it would have to be done tactfully, carefully and through open negotiation rather than military force, as between any peaceloving countries here on Earth (I know, I know...).

So I do agree that this is firstly an Exopolitical situation, which is a whole 'nother level of complexity.
I also believe there is truth to the bible stories, of ET contact, etc, but the bible is not alone, as other cultures and mythologies have just as much to offer in that regard - and the bible itself is a distillation of many of these, albeit twisted by religious/control motives, etc. as you suggest.
:cup:

[warngen]

There likely will be a revelation, or arrival, of ET's on Earth sometime, maybe soon, and they may well be from some Galactic Federation or Council or similar. I wouldn't deny that.

However, any claims by them to have the authority of the Creator himself, or by their King to be the Creator incarnate, are no more valid than can be claimed by the rest of us, as either individuals or communities.

We are all the Creator incarnate, we all have freedom and authority over our own minds.

If ET's arrived I'd be the first to want to greet them.
If they start trying to impose their own laws then that's another thing. It would then have to be an invasion and conquest for them to claim any 'authority' greater than the one's already in place over us.

If indeed they start claiming ties to the bible and judaeo-christian mythology for legitimacy in this, then I would see that as a warning sign that these could well be our own NWO types raising a false flag - following the script given in the bible, which they know many are expecting to be fulfilled.


If, on the other hand, they arrived and liberated mankind from it's present domination, bringing enlightenment, etc. I couldn't complain, yet even then it would have to be done tactfully, carefully and through open negotiation rather than military force, as between any peaceloving countries here on Earth (I know, I know...).

So I do agree that this is firstly an Exopolitical situation, which is a whole 'nother level of complexity.
I also believe there is truth to the bible stories, of ET contact, etc, but the bible is not alone, as other cultures and mythologies have just as much to offer in that regard - and the bible itself is a distillation of many of these, albeit twisted by religious/control motives, etc. as you suggest.
:cup:

Excellent post!

[Gale]

Monkey and warngen, already asked and answered.


Monkey, for the One Hundredth Time
We have stated, several times, the outcome of ones actions is what judges ones self. So,
your choice, is it not? You live under the laws/rules/codes, of Australia, do you not? It
will be your choice to accept the coming governance by an intergalactic King, will it not?

Personally, myself, after having studied the codes of the Kingdom as stated in the bible,
have agreed to what it says and will lay down my life for that government. The
government, of which I live under here in the usa, bestowed upon me diplomatic
immunity, by reason of impartiality, as a representative of the Kingdom of the Universe. It
was not my call, it was by decree of the usa government. We pose no threat to them and
do not condone any physical action against the governments of this world at this time, and
they know that. Gale and I are only investigators, researchers, someone that wanted to
find out what was going on. We did.

Everyone has the choice to decide for themselves when events happen, what to do. You,
your neighbor, the ones down the block, and across town. All will decide for themselves. :original:

Thank you Esther.

[BeaTnik-BandiT]

There likely will be a revelation, or arrival, of ET's on Earth sometime, maybe soon, and they may well be from some Galactic Federation or Council or similar. I wouldn't deny that.

However, any claims by them to have the authority of the Creator himself, or by their King to be the Creator incarnate, are no more valid than can be claimed by the rest of us, as either individuals or communities.

We are all the Creator incarnate, we all have freedom and authority over our own minds.

If ET's arrived I'd be the first to want to greet them.
If they start trying to impose their own laws then that's another thing. It would then have to be an invasion and conquest for them to claim any 'authority' greater than the one's already in place over us.

If indeed they start claiming ties to the bible and judaeo-christian mythology for legitimacy in this, then I would see that as a warning sign that these could well be our own NWO types raising a false flag - following the script given in the bible, which they know many are expecting to be fulfilled.


If, on the other hand, they arrived and liberated mankind from it's present domination, bringing enlightenment, etc. I couldn't complain, yet even then it would have to be done tactfully, carefully and through open negotiation rather than military force, as between any peaceloving countries here on Earth (I know, I know...).

So I do agree that this is firstly an Exopolitical situation, which is a whole 'nother level of complexity.
I also believe there is truth to the bible stories, of ET contact, etc, but the bible is not alone, as other cultures and mythologies have just as much to offer in that regard - and the bible itself is a distillation of many of these, albeit twisted by religious/control motives, etc. as you suggest.
:cup:

100thmonkey, Excellent post ! :thumb_yello:

I would like to add that POSITIVE ETs, will never intervene in human business,
and to such extent, that they would even let us enslave ourselves if we choose it, just to respect our FREEWILL.

salute.

[Norval]

While Gale and I may have not been the first to alert the PTB, governments and so on,
about the bible ET connection back in 2002 with out the religious implications, we are not
the last to have made, or are making, this connection. Good questions and thoughts
Monkey, yet we have already answered those questions and ideas if you but read our
threads and posts about what the bible says.

It is good that many would question these things about who has what authority over
whom. We could entertain many ideas or philosophies yet it comes down to this simple
point. Mankind has been given ample time to read the document submitted by that
Kingdom authority (bible) and today is about to be held accountable to it's codes and
laws, just as the rest of the sentient intelligent life of the universe does, and have agreed
upon.

We are to look at all the evidence around us, what we see is the evidence of design and
incredible engineering, and all for us. Then we have the "us" a created sentient intelligent
life form called mankind or human. This, the document clearly states. Mankind were all
born under that Kingdom governance, but because of our being created with the qualities
we possess it was demanded by some that we be tested as to those qualities. A major
part of that testing is now over and we are about to enter into full blown membership in
that Intergalactic Kingdom.

Those that opposed this governance by a King have attempted to make their point and
have lost, both in thought and deed. The majority of the peoples of the galaxies have
agreed to this governance by a King, now that same choice has been offered to mankind.
It is as simple as being in truth to your heart that you ARE a good neighbor and will
conduct yourselves accordingly towards all sentient intelligent life forms of like mind. If
not, and you decide to do harm, be assured there is someone with the authority and
power necessary, appointed to this position, that will do what is necessary if your
neighbors don't, and then deal with why the neighbors didn't deal with it.

Simple codes to live by and apply to every sentient intelligent life form in the galaxies. Our
choices to make, the decision is for each and every person to make for themselves. The
document is in most peoples hands around the world today or is now easily obtainable for
most. Mankind can now comprehend that document, the bible, for we all can entertain
the ideas of an intergalactic government, because of our technological achievements and
our knowledge of the sciences, and some of "theirs". :trumpet:

[alice goes nuts....]

i wonder sometimes how many strange ways and directions an ego can take just to become satisfied, how is it possible to create so many crappy theories.....i m impressed, but not in the good way!!!!

[unloadedgunn]

I have to chime in here, 100th Monkey, that YOU are more lucid, enlightened, and objective on the issues at hand than the so called, or should I say "self proclaimed" experts. I see someone here in Norval who would have us all believe he has eschewed "religious BS", and yet speaks in the same totalitarian terms as any bible thumper you would ever hope to meet.

It seems he already has his place in the New Galactic Order (or whatever this agenda being ramrodded down all our throats is called) and has no problem with the new version of the same old thing because he himself is an insider. All we need is another "concerned theological educator" to help the PTB along on their goose stepping march of manifest destiny. I am personally saddened that I have not read the word "sovereignty" in this thread once (maybe I missed it).

Seems like we are throwing out the bathwater, and replacing it with koolaid.

The bottom line for me is simple...we all have an internal compass, and inherently know right from wrong...PERIOD. WE DO NOT need a descended alien king in our affairs any more than we need a pedophile priest, a child sacrificing pope, or an adulteress stoning imam. The days of giving over our rightful birthright (or own personal godhood) to others are OVER, spread the word.

[BeaTnik-BandiT]

Hum....this reminds me a movie, hum wait......

......OK got it !

STAR WARS ! with Darth Vader and friends !

(By the way, the Death-Star in the movie looks pretty much like Iapetus, strange, isn't it ?)

salute. :darthvader:

[BeaTnik-BandiT]

I have to chime in here, 100th Monkey, that YOU are more lucid, enlightened, and objective on the issues at hand than the so called, or should I say "self proclaimed" experts. I see someone here in Norval who would have us all believe he has eschewed "religious BS", and yet speaks in the same totalitarian terms as any bible thumper you would ever hope to meet.

It seems he already has his place in the New Galactic Order (or whatever this agenda being ramrodded down all our throats is called) and has no problem with the new version of the same old thing because he himself is an insider. All we need is another "concerned theological educator" to help the PTB along on their goose stepping march of manifest destiny. I am personally saddened that I have not read the word "sovereignty" in this thread once (maybe I missed it).

Seems like we are throwing out the bathwater, and replacing it with koolaid.

The bottom line for me is simple...we all have an internal compass, and inherently know right from wrong...PERIOD. WE DO NOT need a descended alien king in our affairs any more than we need a pedophile priest, a child sacrificing pope, or an adulteress stoning imam. The days of giving over our rightful birthright (or own personal godhood) to others are OVER, spread the word.

I agree wholeheartedly.

take care.

[unloadedgunn]

Glad to hear that bandit. That one book written and compiled by men, which contradicts itself COUNTLESS times, which was assembled by a cabal of like-minded, power hungry despots at the council of Nicea, could possibly contain more than a glimmer of truth is absurd. Anyone thinking "just embrace my book, and nobody gets hurt!" is inherently wrong, and if you are not yet aware of this spiritual axiom and its TRUTH, then you probably need to work on your OWN moral compass, discernment, etc.

It is all a bunch of dogma masquerading as new age spirituality, and how appropriate in light of it being Halloween and all. I can only hope is is well intentioned misdirection. Perhaps the neighbors we should be worried about have originated this thread???

[Norval]

Glad to hear we are getting our points across. :original:

[BeaTnik-BandiT]

Glad to hear that bandit. That one book written and compiled by men, which contradicts itself COUNTLESS times, which was assembled by a cabal of like-minded, power hungry despots at the council of Nicea, could possibly contain more than a glimmer of truth is absurd. Anyone thinking "just embrace my book, and nobody gets hurt!" is inherently wrong, and if you are not yet aware of this spiritual axiom and its TRUTH, then you probably need to work on your OWN moral compass, discernment, etc.

It is all a bunch of dogma masquerading as new age spirituality, and how appropriate in light of it being Halloween and all. I can only hope is is well intentioned misdirection. Perhaps the neighbors we should be worried about have originated this thread???

Halloween ? hehe, yeah unloadedgunn, appropriate. :winksmiley02:

Discernment is of prime importance.

Your are correct, The 'Dark Side' are masquerading as saviors, and their plan will NOT work as long as Humanity is informed and gets rid of it's victim mentality.

There are Universal laws that are at work in the Universe, whether we believe in them or not.
I have talked about this on another thread, but it's good to put it back:
The Universe works like a homeostatic system: it always self adjusts to keep
it's state of equilibrium:

In humanity's case, if we have a victim mentality, we will inevitably attract oppressors, parasites, dictators...etc
This is not going to work, if we choose to 'save ourselves', to get rid of that old habit of counting on someone else word, will, institutions..etc

Same thing as for a Staged Second Coming, the PTBs count on a Human majority brainwashed in believing that an embodied 'spiritual master' is coming to herd them.
It's good to remember that too many lives were taken in the past for not giving allegiance to a book ! (here the Bible).
All this sickness was imposed by force. (See FEAR)
And then they created their own system of laws to support their power and keep us in 'obedience'.

Because of our 'duality', the trick to get out of this cycle, is to stay 'balanced' and connected with the Source.
Simple as that.

For the OPs intentions?.....time will tell. :winksmiley02:

salute.

[unloadedgunn]

The only "points" you are getting across are these: 1) That you have read volumes about the Christian faith, and obviously this written hodge-podge of contradiction fills an emptiness in you like nothing else. Were this not the case you would not be an ordained minister. Your references to a god who is an "engineer" is very patriarchal and Judeo-Christian sounding, but what would one expect from a minister? 2) That despite the mutual admiration society that you have going there with your fellow researcher, for what you perceive (mistakenly) as new and different insights about the bible, you are spewing the same medieval subservience that has gotten all of humanity into the mess we most certainly are in NOW. 3) Anyone gravitating toward scripture which has been used as the justification of untold millions of deaths, for use as anything other that the toilet paper it obviously is, needs some help.

The aforementioned was written with all due respect. I apologize for my strong words, but all the lucid literature I have been reading of late tells me to speak up LOUD AND CLEAR and denounce BS when I see it. It is time that this stuff gets called out. I'm sure the world is full of regretful people who wished they had spoken out about their respective truths, and I won't be one of them. Nor does it seem that either Norval or Gale will be.

[unloadedgunn]

A great big "amen" to ya bandit!!!

[Norval]

The only "points" you are getting across are these: 1) I'm sure the world is full of regretful people who wished they had spoken out about their respective truths, and I won't be one of them. Nor does it seem that either Norval or Gale will be.

Thank you :original:

While Gale and I may have not been the first to alert the PTB, governments and so on,
about the bible ET connection back in 2002 with out the religious implications, we are not
the last to have made, or are making, this connection. Good questions and thoughts
Monkey, yet we have already answered those questions and ideas if you but read our
threads and posts about what the bible says.

It is good that many would question these things about who has what authority over
whom. We could entertain many ideas or philosophies yet it comes down to this simple
point. Mankind has been given ample time to read the document submitted by that
Kingdom authority (bible) and today is about to be held accountable to it's codes and
laws, just as the rest of the sentient intelligent life of the universe does, and have agreed
upon.

We are to look at all the evidence around us, what we see is the evidence of design and
incredible engineering, and all for us. Then we have the "us" a created sentient intelligent
life form called mankind or human. This, the document clearly states. Mankind were all
born under that Kingdom governance, but because of our being created with the qualities
we possess it was demanded by some that we be tested as to those qualities. A major
part of that testing is now over and we are about to enter into full blown membership in
that Intergalactic Kingdom.

Those that opposed this governance by a King have attempted to make their point and
have lost, both in thought and deed. The majority of the peoples of the galaxies have
agreed to this governance by a King, now that same choice has been offered to mankind.
It is as simple as being in truth to your heart that you ARE a good neighbor and will
conduct yourselves accordingly towards all sentient intelligent life forms of like mind. If
not, and you decide to do harm, be assured there is someone with the authority and
power necessary, appointed to this position, that will do what is necessary if your
neighbors don't, and then deal with why the neighbors didn't deal with it.

Simple codes to live by and apply to every sentient intelligent life form in the galaxies. Our
choices to make, the decision is for each and every person to make for themselves. The
document is in most peoples hands around the world today or is now easily obtainable for
most. Mankind can now comprehend that document, the bible, for we all can entertain
the ideas of an intergalactic government, because of our technological achievements and
our knowledge of the sciences, and some of "theirs".

[AndyH]

My own conclusion is that the bible is irrelevant.
Why?
Because it has been translated many times and butchedred at the council of nicea.
Nuff said.

[unloadedgunn]

I guess when the veracity, historicity, and and authenticity of the bible are ALL in question to anyone actually paying attention...and this is the ONLY document you have to base the body of your "evidence" upon, everything is at question. You could tell me the daytime sky is usually blue, and I would question it because of the utter craziness of basing so called "research" on old, archaic, and passe' mythology. But you keep on tryin' Norval, I am guessing that a guy like you will have an easy time converting those people who have been indoctrinated into formal religion, and are strong minded enough to turn their backs to it, but not QUITE strong enough to gravitate to anything that doesn't smack of patriarchal dogma. Perhaps this is exactly why you are here, to grab up all the folks disillusioned by Christianity BEFORE they find the real truth. Keep up the good fight!

[Gale]

This research has nothing to do with religion or a cult nor grabbing up anyone in the context you are using. It’s about the survival of the human race in the face of what is coming. It is the culmination of years of research into the sciences, the mythologies, the Bible and other ancient writings. Whereas, the Bible is the only document that has had all the answers i.e. who, what and why we humans are here; who, what and why they are here, as well as timeline.
It is obvious some will never understand.

[feeler]

There likely will be a revelation, or arrival, of ET's on Earth sometime, maybe soon, and they may well be from some Galactic Federation or Council or similar. I wouldn't deny that.

However, any claims by them to have the authority of the Creator himself, or by their King to be the Creator incarnate, are no more valid than can be claimed by the rest of us, as either individuals or communities.

We are all the Creator incarnate, we all have freedom and authority over our own minds.

If ET's arrived I'd be the first to want to greet them.
If they start trying to impose their own laws then that's another thing. It would then have to be an invasion and conquest for them to claim any 'authority' greater than the one's already in place over us.

If indeed they start claiming ties to the bible and judaeo-christian mythology for legitimacy in this, then I would see that as a warning sign that these could well be our own NWO types raising a false flag - following the script given in the bible, which they know many are expecting to be fulfilled.


If, on the other hand, they arrived and liberated mankind from it's present domination, bringing enlightenment, etc. I couldn't complain, yet even then it would have to be done tactfully, carefully and through open negotiation rather than military force, as between any peaceloving countries here on Earth (I know, I know...).

So I do agree that this is firstly an Exopolitical situation, which is a whole 'nother level of complexity.
I also believe there is truth to the bible stories, of ET contact, etc, but the bible is not alone, as other cultures and mythologies have just as much to offer in that regard - and the bible itself is a distillation of many of these, albeit twisted by religious/control motives, etc. as you suggest.
:cup:

Good post. I wonder how the King won the war. War is won by deception and force. History is written by the victors, not by the losers. Oppression is through force and coercion. Who is this mighty Chief Commander i.e. the King?


-feeler

[100thmonkey]

Monkey and warngen, already asked and answered....and already responded to - but just because I haven't accepted it doesn't mean I haven't understood it - and I tried to explain why.
I thought that the conversation had progressed, having taken that into account, but I see this isn't really a conversation with you. You're here for your presentation of 'the facts' and no debate will be entered into. :zip:

Oh well, if you'd followed my posts you'd see I'm trying to present a bigger picture, in which it's clear that the Creator just wouldn't work that way.

...but since we're repeating past conversation here is one I'll QFT...
I have to chime in here, 100th Monkey, that YOU are more lucid, enlightened, and objective on the issues at hand than the so called, or should I say "self proclaimed" experts. I see someone here in Norval who would have us all believe he has eschewed "religious BS", and yet speaks in the same totalitarian terms as any bible thumper you would ever hope to meet.

It seems he already has his place in the New Galactic Order (or whatever this agenda being ramrodded down all our throats is called) and has no problem with the new version of the same old thing because he himself is an insider. All we need is another "concerned theological educator" to help the PTB along on their goose stepping march of manifest destiny. I am personally saddened that I have not read the word "sovereignty" in this thread once (maybe I missed it).

Seems like we are throwing out the bathwater, and replacing it with koolaid.

The bottom line for me is simple...we all have an internal compass, and inherently know right from wrong...PERIOD. WE DO NOT need a descended alien king in our affairs any more than we need a pedophile priest, a child sacrificing pope, or an adulteress stoning imam. The days of giving over our rightful birthright (or own personal godhood) to others are OVER, spread the word. Thankyou unloadedgunn. You took the words right out of my
...fingers. :lol3:
New Galactic Order indeed.
Norval and Gale seem to be obsessed wth judging their 'neighbours', when the only one we really have any true authority or control over is ourself. Anything else is artificial and interventionist.

Norval, I was going to say that although you've taken out the religion from the bible you've left in the very worst parts - the parts that tainted whatever good was in the religious side - the fear and control structure.
- but unloadedgunn beat me to it.
The majority of the peoples of the galaxies have
agreed to this governance by a King, ...How do you know?
:mf_popeanim:This research has nothing to do with religion or a cult nor grabbing up anyone in the context you are using. It’s about the survival of the human race in the face of what is coming. It is the culmination of years of research into the sciences, the mythologies, the Bible and other ancient writings.With the conclusion that we should all willingly submit to our coming conqueror, or die in his vengeance.
Hard to see a difference.

If such a conquest happens then it will be self evident that it is not the Creator's authority being exercised, since he just doesn't do that.

Therefore we are justified in rebelling - and filled with hope in success of that resistance, since the power we resist isn't really that of the infinite creator - it just masquerades as such. (http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=-c4Cc09aETU) :trumpet:

[feeler]

Norval and Gale seem to be obsessed wth judging their 'neighbours'


Hmmm... Thou Shalt Judge Thy Neighbor...


-feeler

[arcora]

Remember the story of the boy who cried wolf?

I bet those villagers were sorry they didn't listen to him one last time.

[Gale]

Quote:
Originally Posted by 100thmonkey
Norval and Gale seem to be obsessed wth judging their 'neighbours'


Hmmm... Thou Shalt Judge Thy Neighbor...


-feeler

Wrong, but good attempt.
It is important to know your enemy, be able to recognize who the enemy is, what are his tactics, what is his weaponry etc.
The old adage “Keep your friends close, keep your enemies closer”

How can anyone protect their family if they don’t know who the adversary is; they will just end up thinking everyone is their adversary which seems to be the going trend. Don’t forget to verify your own family members.

[Norval]

I finish my posting in this thread with this message.

Gale sent this to me this morning for my birthday. It would be wise to get to KNOW your
Father, and his Son the King of the Universe.

http://www.fathersloveletter.com/fllpreviewlarge.html

There are many others that know what we know and will help you now.
We are not alone. WE are going to be one third of the planets population.

Peace to those of good will. :original:
Norval L. Cunningham

[Gabe Gabriel]

Gale and Norval,

As you know there are many people that have been hurt in some way by "religion", "organized religion" during their lives. Also there are many other types that just want to "disregard" and or "ignor" the Bible because they "heard" somewhere that the Bible has been "changed" and so because the Bible has been changed then they "feel" that they can attack the scriptures and any one that stands up for them as well.

This is for the "attackers". In order for the Bible to be written down in "English" so you can attack it, you have to change some of the words out of necessity. In order to write the Bible in English you must first do what is called "Transliteration". There are differences between English and Hebrew launguage. Not every English word and Hebrew word are exactly alike, so the translators have to make changes in order for the words to make sense. The Hebrew is a much richer and fuller launguage than english is, so some words have to be changed, because English is such a dumber launguage than Hebrew is.

Also Gale and Norval as you know there are just people that attack because they are sent by the "Darkness".

The funniest ones are the ones that "attack" because they saw it written somewhere that the Bible has been changed and therefore cannot be good and so anyone that uses the scriptures must also be bad.

Ignor is the shortcut to ignorant.