A major new Camelot interview -- Bob Dean: The Coming of Nibiru

[Bill Ryan]

Hi, All:

http://projectcamelot.org/bob_dean.html

I'm not paranoid. I just pay attention.
Retired Command Sergeant Major Robert Dean

When we met with Bob Dean in May 2007, he stated that ours would be his last interview. After its publication, we received more mail - all of it generous and appreciative, without exception - than for any other interview we've ever done. We were therefore quite delighted when he agreed to talk with us on record once again.

When we asked Bob what he wanted to discuss, he told us that he had important news, from his own inside sources, about Nibiru: the highly controversial Planet X. This video contains extremely important information for all students of Planet X to consider.

True to form, Bob recounts other intriguing stories, including the NRO's classified discovery of "a goddamn boat" high on Mount Ararat, and confirmation of Henry Deacon's report that the Anunnaki are active on present-day Mars.

His humanity, his dignity, his integrity and his humor all shine once again in this new video, and we're very confident that everyone who so enjoyed Bob's 2007 interview with us will find this just as entertaining, interesting, and valuable.

Very best to all, Bill

[deepblu777]

Finally, I've been patiently waiting for this..

http://projectcamelot.org/bob_dean.html

Enjoy!

Thanks Kerry! Thanks Bill!

:wub2:

[Jenny]

merged threads.

:original:

[Avid]

What a wonderful interview - his closing message has left me in tears - so very moving and hopeful. Thank you Bob, Kerry and Bill - magnificent!

[Midnight Oil]

Congrats folks, great interview as usual. Thanks a lot. :)

I've always had a respect for Mr. Dean, may be bacause he feels like a grandfather figure to me, since I never had a change meet mines in this lifetime.He radiates with a very positive aura and energy around him.

I'm still wondering if you guys are going to do an interview with Billy Meier, before he passes away. I know its difficult to go through that snoop FIGU thing, but who knows you may succeed...

Keep us informed guys...we love you. :)

[eugene_vn]

The book Penetration by Ingo Swann, which as Dean mentions is now out of print, has thankfully been made available for free online reading at http://www.scribd.com/doc/426672/The-Question-of-Extraterrestrial-and-Human-Telepathy-I-Swann .

Dr. Courtney Brown has written a helpful review of the book:

http://www.courtneybrown.com/reviews/BookReviews/Penetration.html

Ingo Swann is one of the more important historical figures in the U.S. government-funded efforts to investigate the phenomenon known as "remote viewing." His participation in highly classified research is now public knowledge and not disputed. Mr. Swann is also somewhat elderly as of this writing, and I can find no reason for him to lie now about what happened to him during his most bizarre interactions with elements of the U.S. intelligence community.

Penetration is Mr. Swann's most riveting book. The first 100 pages of the book is just about guaranteed to keep any reader flipping the pages as fast as the eye can read. In this book, Swann forever banishes the idea that a remote viewer's life need be dull. This is a story of how badly the government needed to know some information, and to what extent it was willing to go to get it. I suspect that most readers will be grateful that Mr. Swann finally decided to tell this most intimate history of his involvement with those in our government whose activities only rarely become visible to the common citizen.

Minimally, this is a story about remote viewing and its use by Mr. Swann to explore the idea of extraterrestrial life. On the surface, this would be interesting enough for many readers to want to hear what he has to say. But Mr. Swann's tale is not of a coolly academic nature. Rather, he tells of how in the past he interacted with some of the most deeply buried U.S. government intelligence personnel to help them understand the "ET enigma." This is not a story of academic researchers wanting to know if extraterrestrial life is possible. This is a nonfiction drama involving elite elements within the U.S. intelligence community wanting to know more about extraterrestrials whom they knew were operating on and near Earth. This is the UFO hypothesis turned fully around into a confrontation with reality that destroys more passive "what-if" scientific speculation. From Swann's perspective, it is not a question of whether or not UFOs and extraterrestrials exist, or whether or not the U.S. government knows about them. Rather it is a question of how intensely the intelligence apparatus of the government is trying to learn more about the activities of the extraterrestrials without letting the public in on the story. Mr. Swann gets caught in the middle, a middle from which he eventually escapes with the publication of this book.

This book is essentially two books in one. The first is about 100 pages long, and it details Mr. Swann's interactions with U.S. spies who study extraterrestrials. This is where the action and drama in this book resides. After this the book shifts gears to more general discussions (and speculations) about the subjects of telepathy, remote viewing, and extraterrestrial life. In all honesty, the latter parts of this book are not as interesting as the first 100 pages. Perhaps some readers will find the later pages helpful not so much because of what is said, but because of who is saying it. Nonetheless, I doubt many readers will criticize Mr. Swann for the later sections of the book given the visceral reward of the first part.

This book will not convince anyone that extraterrestrials exist. Rather, this book is for those who simply want to hear more about Mr. Swann's past. The fact that his involvement with the U.S. intelligence community is already so well documented lends credibility to his discussion in these pages. But this is not the smoking gun that will force the government to reveal all. The story in this book is too wild for the masses to embrace, and it is unlikely that the government would ever confirm what Mr. Swann writes about here, especially if it is true.

My suggestion is that readers take this book at face value, neither accepting it fully nor rejecting it as impossible. This is Mr. Swann's story, his own personal story. It may be true. On the other hand, some may conclude that it is either false or delusional. Since it is impossible for most readers to know for certain one way or the other, it makes more sense to simply accept this story as an honest statement that is as true as Mr. Swann can remember it. At least it does not hurt us to keep our minds open. Mr. Swann has contributed so much to our current understanding of the human psyche and the process of remote viewing, it seems only reasonable that people should give him the courtesy of allowing him to tell this most personal and intense story. As a society, we owe him that much at least. On the other hand, we owe him a lot more if what he writes about in Penetration is a true recollection from his past.

One side note, this book is somewhat hard to obtain since it is self-published. Interested readers may want to go to Mr. Swann's web site to find out how to obtain this book.

[deepblu777]

wow!

:thumb_yello:

[freekatz]

Thanks for this Bill and Kerry, I'm listening to Bob's interview right now. What a beautiful soul and such great information:thumb_yello:

[rosie]

This is fantastic. Bill, Kerry, thank you for helping us to become!

Information such as Bob Dean's interviews have a way of waking up those
dormant thoughts that most have put away because of fear ridicule.

peace & love

[Squeptikal]

Project Camelot is one of the most worthwhile sites on the web for this kind of information and Bill & Kerry are without a doubt dedicated to disclosing it. I have sent a small cash contribution to help with offsetting the costs associated in this endeavor.

I encourage others to do the same. These good people deserve our support in every way we can provide it. I'm sending another financial contribution this week.

I cannot express fully in words how appreciative I am for the work that you and Kerry are doing and I suspect that you have much additional information that you are withholding for various reasons. I am eager for more!

Bob Dean is one of those people who have studied the massive quantity of secret information and who are saying, in direct contrast with David Wilcock, that the human race IS able to be told without massive negative social consequenses. The fact that there are so many insiders coming forward with credible experiences means that much of what they relay is true and that mainstream disclosure is not too far off.

A particular point driven home by Bob is the 7 year difference in the birth of Jesus which brings a much stronger correlation to the Grand Cycle dates & our visitation by a large planet with some consequenses.

Another important point that needs to be stressed for mass disclosure is that we should sit back and enjoy the ride rather then digging a hole in the ground.

Bill, if you could provide your take on the statement made by Bob Dean on the coming shift in consciousness which does match David Wilcock's prediction, as well as many channellers from back even in 1994, of that which is desired can be made manifest. How would you characterize what this transition would be like or how it might be experienced?

Thank you with all my heart.

[Bobcat]

good one and thanks.

But Pro " one world goverment " ??

Blood on the streets? Just accept it?

[orwellsbud]

Another classic interview, the best so far...any chance you guy's could interview Robert Morning Sky sometime? His Terra Papers are something else.

P&B
OB:smoke:

[Labratinaz]

Very interesting. Bill and Kerry, you need to do a mind meld with this gentleman. There is more going on behind the eyes than he is telling anyone.

What's wrong with One World Government? Didn't Star Trek have one? Global Federation?

Would the common man on the street really care? As long as he has food, water and a job for "stuff" most people are quite happy. Give them the freedom they think they have, all is well. Just hope the situational comedys on TV get better. Then everyone will be happy. :lol3:

Thanks again for an interesting interview. Serious about the mind meld thing. Need more input!

Peace and Prosperity

[EYES WIDE OPEN]

camelot is down again.

[Scooby]

watching the interview with Bob Dean I can't help what looks like an all seeing eye looking badge on his lapel. Im hoping maybe Bill or Kerry could give us a blown up picture of it or tell us what it is.

[abgott]

Excuse me ..... i'm french and it's difficult for me to understand an audio interview ..... :sad:

is someone can resume this interview with very short sentence ? :wink2:

just 2 or 3 words about nibiru ...... coming ? not coming ? hoax ?

thanks a lot !!!!

:thumb_yello:

[Scooby]

Aha , yes. it looks like an Eye on the video.

[feeler]

I am relieved to find out this time Kerry and Bill more than made up for their controversial interview Miriam Delicado (a highly dubious character).

As a matter of fact, I am read Bob's wife's book. Very informative.

-feeler

[Jenny]

[quote=abgott;58895]Excuse me ..... i'm french and it's difficult for me to understand an audio interview ..... :sad:

is someone can resume this interview with very short sentence ? :wink2:

just 2 or 3 words about nibiru ...... coming ? not coming ? hoax ?

thanks a lot !!!!

:thumb_yello:[/quote



Bonjour Abgott,


Niburu IS coming.

Before 2017.

Jenny

[feeler]

What's wrong with One World Government? Didn't Star Trek have one? Global Federation?



A One World Government is just a fancy name for a global military empire. I have a problem with the approach of launching a false flag attack, killing 3000 civilians, scaring everyone into submission (e.g. phone tapping), eliminating the constitution, building torture camps overseas, killing one million Iraqi, etc.

-feeler

[feeler]

[quote=abgott;58895]Excuse me ..... i'm french and it's difficult for me to understand an audio interview ..... :sad:

is someone can resume this interview with very short sentence ? :wink2:

just 2 or 3 words about nibiru ...... coming ? not coming ? hoax ?

thanks a lot !!!!

:thumb_yello:[/quote



Bonjour Abgott,


Niburu IS coming.

Before 2017.

Jenny

We are crossing the galactic plane; SOMETHING will happen. We need help to avoid (or alleviate the pain of) the pole shift (or whatever).

I liken our galactic crossing to s*** hitting the fan (i.e. the galactic spiraling arms ).

-feeler

[aiwass322]

watching the interview with Bob Dean I can't help what looks like an all seeing eye looking badge on his lapel. Im hoping maybe Bill or Kerry could give us a blown up picture of it or tell us what it is.

Hi there.
The symbol Mr Dean is wearing might be this one: http://www.tioh.hqda.pentagon.mil/Graphics/CSGM.gif
This is a patch but the symbol seems to be the same.

Great interview by the way!

[hyatt]

Niburu IS coming

jenny, not to be argumentative, but that is a pretty bold statement.
i've read tons on this subject and there is nothing i have seen that would make me believe so adamantly.

is there something you know that i might not? :winksmiley02:

hyatt

[Seth Haniel]

always knew not to trust the calender :)

[abgott]

thanks for your help :thumb_yello:

i will follow this thread !

thanks !

[mntruthseeker]

Thanks Eugene, I appreciate the tip and it is interesting and I am enjoying the story

[Realview]

Mr. Dean says a lot of things that everyone else hears and knows about. He also makes comments like "Original Sin doesn't exist" that seem to come from his belief system. He talks about all kinds of detail pictures but he doesn't show any. He seems to hold the Jesuits in high regard and the Mormon Founder who's life is more like Hitler, Stalin, Castro or Saddam Hussein. IE a weak, feeble person with no hope, no future but given a money making opportunity.

Really, nothing substantial just hype. Not sure why he asked to be interviewed. Congress can't give the president new powers the congress can't get new powers (article 10 bill of rights). Yet, he says nothing about that only that it's been done. In other words I don't see much substance here. He emphasizes new species etc.. He clearly doesn't understand the value and uniqueness of the human being. Most of what he says is just his opinion. Yes, he has some unique background for an opinion but that doesn't seem to real amount to much. Talks about Jesus as important even though it's clear Jesus, Horas, Mithra are but a few presentations of the same myth.

[Scooby]

The thing I find interesting about the interview is at the beginning. He states that there is a huge Boat on the top of Mt Ararat. Now I know for a fact that a huge rectangular remains of ship has been found in the hills of Arat mountians in the north of of turkey near the border of Iran. If there is a boat as well on the top of the mountain than that would explain to me why there were giants after the flood. If Noah was building a huge ship, and had to have help from the watchers to do this then it makes sense that Satan would have seen this and clued in his camp and thus perhaps the story of gilgamesh who btw was declared to be a son of the gods or nephilim if you will, is not the same story as noah but a second story of a boat created to help the blood lines of the sons of God survive the flood and maybe, just maybe there were two arks. :shocked: I wish we could prove the claim of the anomoly and the boat at the top it would explain alot. :bleh:

[Realview]

Another comment for consideration. Mr. Dean promotes the idea that we are chimps compared to the great spirits in outer space and they have no need to talk to us because they are so advanced.

Consider this, no matter where humans have gone on the globe or what societies they have encountered. They have responded to interests and inquiries or needs of the people they meet new with opportunity. We all know the original intentions where seldom, if ever benevolent, and in many cases pseudo religious brainwashing was part of the agenda. But, the English entered India and left giving them educational opportunities, transportation, common language. The British didn't hide themselves from the locals. Even when an explorer has gone into a remote jungle they have provided opportunity for better or worse to the people they encounter.

So, how is it these supposed advanced societies want to interact with humanity from a control perspective so inferior to that of ordinary humans interacting with "primitive cultures"? Mr. Dean should understand that some so called higher soul from some other place would be fortunate to have the spiritual opportunities of human birth. And in all likelihood those souls have at one time or another been human as well as monkey, etc. and in all likelihood each of us has been incarnated as one of them at one time or another.

[jan]

If you are interested in mangas and japanese animations you may be interested in the series Spriggan: Wiki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spriggan_(manga)) (cancelled in north america).
One anime was produced based on the series about the Noah's Ark on Mount Ararat: Youtube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v7t-3DNzJkE)

It's amusing to see some of the themes of Project Camelot mentioned in a manga series written in 1989 to 1996 (perhaps they are "common" in human culture):
MJ-12 plus some occult organizations like ARCAM and Trident Corp.,
Mind Controlled Super Soldiers (some with godlike psychic powers): COSMOS, Spriggans
Exotic treasures hunting ala Indian Jones:
Crystal Skull, Noah's Ark, Holy Grail...

Fun to watch (if you have time).

[sunflower]

The book Penetration by Ingo Swann, which as Dean mentions is now out of print, has thankfully been made available for free online reading at http://www.scribd.com/doc/426672/The...epathy-I-Swann .


Eugene, thank you for posting info re Ingo Swann's book. I am sure others are also downloading it. Very thoughtful indeed.

[sunflower]

My husband and I enjoyed all aspects of Bob Dean's interview. My hubby accepts everything, believes all and goes on with his life. He is not worried nor upset about coming events. I, on the other hand, want to do whatever I can to help the family prepare for coming events. Different personalities I guess but I do appreciate the steadfastness and calm he contributes to our familial world.
Many thanks, Bill and Kerri, for making this interview possible. What a lovely man!

[martina]

Bob Dean said the NWO is a good thing, is Bob Dean an Illuminatie?

[GoingToFast]

One of the things that caught my ear (among many things he said) was when he talked about the "Old Boys", he mentioned that there where two Cosmonauts in the group, COSMONAUGT is the Russian word for Astronaut, it makes me wounder if there really is people in that "Old Boys"-group that is Russian. That would mean that this clandestant agency is far more international than just the NATO-countries.

Bill and Kerry and all of the people working at Camelot/Avalon you are doing a great job, Thank You.
I have heard that you guys had an interview planned with Jordan Maxwell, how is that coming along, that is the really BIG ONE I am waiting for. I hope that you can get that one that would be wery interesting to see.

[feeler]

Mr. Dean says a lot of things that everyone else hears and knows about. He also makes comments like "Original Sin doesn't exist" that seem to come from his belief system. He talks about all kinds of detail pictures but he doesn't show any. He seems to hold the Jesuits in high regard and the Mormon Founder who's life is more like Hitler, Stalin, Castro or Saddam Hussein. IE a weak, feeble person with no hope, no future but given a money making opportunity.

Really, nothing substantial just hype. Not sure why he asked to be interviewed. Congress can't give the president new powers the congress can't get new powers (article 10 bill of rights). Yet, he says nothing about that only that it's been done. In other words I don't see much substance here. He emphasizes new species etc.. He clearly doesn't understand the value and uniqueness of the human being. Most of what he says is just his opinion. Yes, he has some unique background for an opinion but that doesn't seem to real amount to much. Talks about Jesus as important even though it's clear Jesus, Horas, Mithra are but a few presentations of the same myth.


Bob is saying the Adam-and-Eve story was fabricated.

Patriot Act transfers the power/rights of the people/Congress to the President.

[feeler]

I was watching the most recent interview with Bob Dean and remember in Nassim's youtube lecture that he has NASA video of something (don't know what it was) the size of Jupiter come through our Solar System. You can watch the video and see the Sun do something marvelous that changes the path of this great object that was in no doubt going to bring destruction. I think this happened either in 2003 or 2004. This may be Planet X or Nibiru as Nassim states.

http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=Nassim+Haramein&hl=en&emb=0&aq=f#


He then said something to the extent: "We are living in grace."

[feeler]

Bob Dean said the NWO is a good thing, is Bob Dean an Illuminatie?

Some viewers noticed that he was wearing the "all seeing eye" in the interview...

[feeler]

Another comment for consideration. Mr. Dean promotes the idea that we are chimps compared to the great spirits in outer space and they have no need to talk to us because they are so advanced.





Let's see what we got... Alien abduction, alien agenda, and alien technology.

And they are not talking to us?

[feeler]

One of the things that caught my ear (among many things he said) was when he talked about the "Old Boys", he mentioned that there where two Cosmonauts in the group, COSMONAUGT is the Russian word for Astronaut, it makes me wounder if there really is people in that "Old Boys"-group that is Russian. That would mean that this clandestant agency is far more international than just the NATO-countries.




The success of the moon hoax (fake moon landing) was due in part to the cooperation from the Russians (former Soviet Union).

[zorgon]

The book Penetration by Ingo Swann, which as Dean mentions is now out of print,

We have a copy in PDF as well...

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/44cosmic_wisdom/03PDF/Penetration_Ingo_Swann.pdf

Now I will go listen to this interview... Does it come with any documentation?

[freespirit]

Thank You bob,kerry,bill

Another enlighting interview .
I have recently read sitchin 12th Planet, and will finish end of days tonight/today and one impression you get is, the et/gods fall out with each other alot, just like us ! all knowing,all powerful and still they bicker
They maybe more human than you and i.

freespirit from the earth colony

[swordsmith]

Hard not to love Bob Dean, however, a few queries. I know he is good friends with Richard Hoagland. Hoagland stated in prehaps his last PC interview that he was thank god grateful for the HAARP technology being used to protect the earth at this time , assumingly against Niburu. Geeze, I wish it was aerosolised gold particulate floating around instead of aluminum in those chemtrails, makes me feel so CHEAP!
I dunno, think I might prefer Niburu and take my chances.

He sure does love Sitchen..... not saying I agree with Arizona Wilder's testimony that she saw him shapeshift reptile stylee, but Sitchen is NOT well respected as a true scholar, and that is by the open minded and informed.
What say you, Kerry? I saw your hesitation .

[Scooby]

Feeler. I agree with what you are implying here. He is disinfo agent to the hilt. It is an all seeing eye he is wearing although disquised as a seargents badge, and he has an agenda as does most of the whistle blowers I see here on this site. Sitchen is a hack as far as I am concerned. I invite anyone to read what Michael S Heiser says about him. He has invited him many times to debate him on the air over the subject of the so called 12th planet and the so called annunaki. Folks just listen to a real Scholar and you will se what I mean. Most of these guys like Jordan Maxwell aka Jordan Maximus is trying to seduce you away from there being a jesus to believing something else. It's a setup to the NWO's universal religion which will be based in the noahdic laws.

[King Lear]

I just watched the new interview and I have to say that I'm appreciated.:original:
Bob is such a nice guy, I love him, simply adorable.

It's like sitting on your grandpa's knees and he tells you some stories of the old times. I love that. I could listen to him for hours and hours and hours.

And you Kerry did a marvelous job! One really can sense that you and Bob like each other very much. And your questions were really good, not too much, just to hold Bob on the road.

Bill, unfortunately, again had to suffer under the bad mic.
Man we've to write a letter to Santa, maybe he can fix it;)


What me really astonished, that you guys announced the interview long before, at the same time you've interviewed Miriam, but it didn't came up.
And I thought: "Man, why don't they upload Bob's interview too?"

And now I understand, it was a matter of trust.
Not to publish things he said before his conference.

And for that you guys really have my respect:thumb_yello:



A last thing: Where can we find all the images Bob mentioned?

[GoingToFast]

Feeler. I agree with what you are implying here. He is disinfo agent to the hilt. It is an all seeing eye he is wearing although disquised as a seargents badge, and he has an agenda as does most of the whistle blowers I see here on this site. Sitchen is a hack as far as I am concerned. I invite anyone to read what Michael S Heiser says about him. He has invited him many times to debate him on the air over the subject of the so called 12th planet and the so called annunaki. Folks just listen to a real Scholar and you will se what I mean. Most of these guys like Jordan Maxwell aka Jordan Maximus is trying to seduce you away from there being a jesus to believing something else. It's a setup to the NWO's universal religion which will be based in the noahdic laws.

Scooby, You are way of base on Sitchen and Maxwell.

Please take a look at this link, this is the "Illuminati-badge" that you and Feeler rambling about.

http://www.tioh.hqda.pentagon.mil/Graphics/CSGM.gif

[SuperManny]

Eugene, thank you for posting info re Ingo Swann's book. I am sure others are also downloading it. Very thoughtful indeed.

I second that; thank you Eugene!:thumb_yello:

You can also find the Entire Ingo Swann Database (http://www.scribd.com/doc/415880/Entire-Ingo-Swann-Database?from_related_doc=1)on Scribd. All 1372 pages of it!:mfr_omg:

[SuperManny]

Oh and I forgot to add Excellent interview!!

Not quite convinced about niburu, tho... just heard so many times how it's coming.... and it ain't gpt here yet! I guess time will tell.

BTW if we had a one world government, who would we go to war against????

[orionsbelt]

Good interview (entertaining).

The majority of this world's people are Not ready or able to handle the Truth. Look at how some people respond to brief, 'UFO' sightings.

Think how much stress those who HAVE access to bits of the Truth must be under. What do you think Their lives are like?

A couple of 'children' have repelled a few of those people away from this forum. Coarse vibrations are not healthful or helpful to anyone.
Stirring the pot only serves to make the waters murky, not clear.

They just have No understanding of what some of the 'whistleblowers' have gone through or may still being going through.

If they do understand, then their intentions are surely dark.

CQ CQ is anyone out there?

Ever wonder Why only a few people here ever hear any replies?

Invite 'them' to come here to visit and help you - yet provide them with a hostile environment.

[Labratinaz]

I am confused.

Bob said he is a good friend of John Lear.
Doesn't John say the PX is a fabrication.

Is this right?

Can I just ride the middle of the line? With information / disinformation so believable, I have to believe one or the other on faith? Like believing in God? Wherever she is.

[zorgon]

It's amusing to see some of the themes of Project Camelot mentioned in a manga series written in 1989 to 1996 (perhaps they are "common" in human culture):


Perhaps the 'theme' came before Camelot? :mfr_omg:

[Suriel]

Good interview. Finally an interview with a positive message. A great addition to the larger puzzle.

[Scooby]

Scooby, You are way of base on Sitchen and Maxwell.

Please take a look at this link, this is the "Illuminati-badge" that you and Feeler rambling about.

http://www.tioh.hqda.pentagon.mil/Graphics/CSGM.gif

First off I don;t ramble. Second I doubt you took time to google Michael S Heiser and his opinion of him.
Third It may be a badge but when cast in brass or gold whichever itis it has the effect of an eye. I look for the subliminal, The Occult and Agenda. I don't succumb to it like so many do here. My eyes are wide open not entranced. Take time to do like I said and look up heiser and google the truth about Jordan Maximus. You have to understand that there was a council of the gods before the fallen ones came down and were privy to much of Gods plan. So just saying that the son of God story predates the judaic son of God story means Jesus borrowed from it is not logical althoughit seems as though it is. The fallen Sons of God used thier knowledge to set up themselves as gods on earth and copied what had been knowledge in the councle of El so as to supply a basis of usurption long before the coming of the real Mesiah. I guess if Jordanus Maximus says its so, it must be so. I don't mind a healthy argument but don't say Im just rambling. OMG people see a few videos and they are hypnotised and believe everything they are told. Just saying

[zorgon]

I am confused.
Doesn't John say the PX is a fabrication.
Is this right?

Yes that is right... John does not buy into PX, Neither do I..

I am curious though why every new person with a Nibiru story is instantly believed as if its gospel without any way to check up on it?

Zeta talk said 2003... people quit jobs, sold homes... yet nothing happened

Now I have heard some saying we will see it in 2009, Bob here is saying 2017ish and Sitchin?

Allow me to quote Mr Sitchin in his latest book...


Nibiru settled into a clockwise orbit (equal to 3,600 orbits of Earth
around the Sun). Nibiru stabilized into a clockwise orbit, equal to
3,600 orbits of Earth around the Sun until 10, 900 B.C.E., when
Nibiru arrived earlier, due to increasing drift from Solaris of
Uranus. Uranus' gravity sped Nibiru's orbit. As a result of this
close encounter between Nibiru and Uranus, one of Nibiru's moons,
Miranda, was captured by and became a moon of Uranus as Nibiru and
Uranus pulled at each other. From 10,000B.C.E. on, Nibiru's
revolution sped to 3.450 Earth years; which makes Nibiru's next
return 2900A.D. rather than 2012 as predicated on the earlier 3600-
year orbit [Sitchin, Z., 2007, The End of Days, pages 315 - 317].

not till 2900 AD Long after we are all long gone

Others who have taken fron Sitchins work are still saying 2012

I hear people say "It can only be seen from the south pole" Well you can see the south pole approach anywhere in the southern hemisphere just like you can see the North Star anywhere in the northern hemisphere.

So WHO do we believe? Or do we just hop around from date to date following the latest fad?

If this thing is there... show me some real hard evidence... otherwise its just another tall tale...

Here is the image Zeta talk used for describing the orbit of Nibiru... Save this and frame it... looks like God's pinball machine :tongue2:

http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z194/defcon05/PlanetXOrbit.jpg


OH WOW I know where they got that Orbit from!!!! That is cool never saw that before... but I know the source !!!!

1952 The guy who made Planet X famous way before Sitchin came along (who by the way says it won't get here till 2900 remember?)


Duck Rogers in the 24th and a Half Century

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mg-nI_etQ4c

Just once I would like to see a whistle blower walk into the room... slap down some documents and say "there you go... THERE is your proof.

[hueyii]

watching the interview with Bob Dean I can't help what looks like an all seeing eye looking badge on his lapel. Im hoping maybe Bill or Kerry could give us a blown up picture of it or tell us what it is.

LOL, its Army rank for Senior Staff seargent/ Below it looks like an infantry badge.

[hueyii]

Mr. Dean says a lot of things that everyone else hears and knows about. He also makes comments like "Original Sin doesn't exist" that seem to come from his belief system. He talks about all kinds of detail pictures but he doesn't show any. He seems to hold the Jesuits in high regard and the Mormon Founder who's life is more like Hitler, Stalin, Castro or Saddam Hussein. IE a weak, feeble person with no hope, no future but given a money making opportunity.

Really, nothing substantial just hype. Not sure why he asked to be interviewed. Congress can't give the president new powers the congress can't get new powers (article 10 bill of rights). Yet, he says nothing about that only that it's been done. In other words I don't see much substance here. He emphasizes new species etc.. He clearly doesn't understand the value and uniqueness of the human being. Most of what he says is just his opinion. Yes, he has some unique background for an opinion but that doesn't seem to real amount to much. Talks about Jesus as important even though it's clear Jesus, Horas, Mithra are but a few presentations of the same myth.

I dont understand all the hype about this guy. Seems like a nice enough guy, very grandfather like archetype. Lots of cool stories and observations but no substantive proof of anything.

I though he already gave his "Last Interview" ? He didnt maybe write another book did he?

All these "insiders" are suspect to me. If the secret societies (if they even exist) felt threatened than any "insider" spilling his guts would be silenced immediately. Just my opinion.

[Jonah]

There is something about this man that just rings true for me.

Wanted to point out what a great interviewer Carrie is. She has really come into her own when it comes to asking really good questions.

And knowing when not to jump in. She has a very good ability to listen. Well done Miss Cassidy! You make us proud.

[fastarr]

:thumb_yello:

[Pomguymguy]

We have a copy in PDF as well...

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/44cosmic_wisdom/03PDF/Penetration_Ingo_Swann.pdf

Now I will go listen to this interview... Does it come with any documentation?

Thanks Zorgon - Very Much appreciated - The Truth shall set them free :winksmiley02:

Rome did not create a great empire by having meetings, they did it by killing all those who opposed them.

[firefly]

Feeler. I agree with what you are implying here. He is disinfo agent to the hilt. It is an all seeing eye he is wearing although disquised as a seargents badge, and he has an agenda as does most of the whistle blowers I see here on this site. Sitchen is a hack as far as I am concerned. I invite anyone to read what Michael S Heiser says about him. He has invited him many times to debate him on the air over the subject of the so called 12th planet and the so called annunaki. Folks just listen to a real Scholar and you will se what I mean. Most of these guys like Jordan Maxwell aka Jordan Maximus is trying to seduce you away from there being a jesus to believing something else. It's a setup to the NWO's universal religion which will be based in the noahdic laws.

I hear what your saying Scooby, your a man/woman of my own heart. I agree with your comments. I will now watch the video in question ' but I can see clearly now the rain has gone'. Beware of the disinfo doctors, members of Avalon. Remember we give alot away on this forum about ourselves and what we think and believe and who is it that is gathering this info on us, and in what direction are they leading us to?

firefly

[hueyii]

Yes that is right... John does not buy into PX, Neither do I..

I am curious though why every new person with a Nibiru story is instantly believed as if its gospel without any way to check up on it?

Zeta talk said 2003... people quit jobs, sold homes... yet nothing happened

Now I have heard some saying we will see it in 2009, Bob here is saying 2017ish and Sitchin?

Allow me to quote Mr Sitchin in his latest book...


Nibiru settled into a clockwise orbit (equal to 3,600 orbits of Earth
around the Sun). Nibiru stabilized into a clockwise orbit, equal to
3,600 orbits of Earth around the Sun until 10, 900 B.C.E., when
Nibiru arrived earlier, due to increasing drift from Solaris of
Uranus. Uranus' gravity sped Nibiru's orbit. As a result of this
close encounter between Nibiru and Uranus, one of Nibiru's moons,
Miranda, was captured by and became a moon of Uranus as Nibiru and
Uranus pulled at each other. From 10,000B.C.E. on, Nibiru's
revolution sped to 3.450 Earth years; which makes Nibiru's next
return 2900A.D. rather than 2012 as predicated on the earlier 3600-
year orbit [Sitchin, Z., 2007, The End of Days, pages 315 - 317].

not till 2900 AD Long after we are all long gone

Others who have taken fron Sitchins work are still saying 2012

I hear people say "It can only be seen from the south pole" Well you can see the south pole approach anywhere in the southern hemisphere just like you can see the North Star anywhere in the northern hemisphere.

So WHO do we believe? Or do we just hop around from date to date following the latest fad?

If this thing is there... show me some real hard evidence... otherwise its just another tall tale...

Here is the image Zeta talk used for describing the orbit of Nibiru... Save this and frame it... looks like God's pinball machine :tongue2:

http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z194/defcon05/PlanetXOrbit.jpg


OH WOW I know where they got that Orbit from!!!! That is cool never saw that before... but I know the source !!!!

1952 The guy who made Planet X famous way before Sitchin came along (who by the way says it won't get here till 2900 remember?)


Duck Rogers in the 24th and a Half Century

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mg-nI_etQ4c

Just once I would like to see a whistle blower walk into the room... slap down some documents and say "there you go... THERE is your proof.

There are plausible theories about Our sun being one of a binary star system. But to say it's coming but you cant see it is hard to swallow. I heard the theory about the southern approach but then I sat down, drew a circle representing the earth. Next I drew straight lines representing the horizon to determine the line of sight from various positions on the globe. In order for it to no be visible it would have to be directly over the south pole... less than a thousand miles above the surface.

[feeler]

Yes that is right... John does not buy into PX, Neither do I..

I am curious though why every new person with a Nibiru story is instantly believed as if its gospel without any way to check up on it?

Zeta talk said 2003... people quit jobs, sold homes... yet nothing happened

Now I have heard some saying we will see it in 2009, Bob here is saying 2017ish and Sitchin?

Allow me to quote Mr Sitchin in his latest book...


Nibiru settled into a clockwise orbit (equal to 3,600 orbits of Earth
around the Sun). Nibiru stabilized into a clockwise orbit, equal to
3,600 orbits of Earth around the Sun until 10, 900 B.C.E., when
Nibiru arrived earlier, due to increasing drift from Solaris of
Uranus. Uranus' gravity sped Nibiru's orbit. As a result of this
close encounter between Nibiru and Uranus, one of Nibiru's moons,
Miranda, was captured by and became a moon of Uranus as Nibiru and
Uranus pulled at each other. From 10,000B.C.E. on, Nibiru's
revolution sped to 3.450 Earth years; which makes Nibiru's next
return 2900A.D. rather than 2012 as predicated on the earlier 3600-
year orbit [Sitchin, Z., 2007, The End of Days, pages 315 - 317].

not till 2900 AD Long after we are all long gone

Others who have taken fron Sitchins work are still saying 2012

I hear people say "It can only be seen from the south pole" Well you can see the south pole approach anywhere in the southern hemisphere just like you can see the North Star anywhere in the northern hemisphere.

So WHO do we believe? Or do we just hop around from date to date following the latest fad?

If this thing is there... show me some real hard evidence... otherwise its just another tall tale...

Here is the image Zeta talk used for describing the orbit of Nibiru... Save this and frame it... looks like God's pinball machine :tongue2:

http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z194/defcon05/PlanetXOrbit.jpg


OH WOW I know where they got that Orbit from!!!! That is cool never saw that before... but I know the source !!!!

1952 The guy who made Planet X famous way before Sitchin came along (who by the way says it won't get here till 2900 remember?)


Duck Rogers in the 24th and a Half Century

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mg-nI_etQ4c

Just once I would like to see a whistle blower walk into the room... slap down some documents and say "there you go... THERE is your proof.


I am with you on that one; four years from contact and we can't see it with telescope. Now it's acting like a pin ball, playing guerrilla warfare (or hide and seek) with the earth.

[xenomorph]

Like several others who have commented in this thread, I heard nothing in this interview to get excited about. Even if you buy into what he is saying, he says nothing new. I was already privy to what he was saying and probably could have answered the questions in a similar fashion. I see no reason why he should have requested a second interview given the information he apparently wished to disclose.

Perhaps some of you who were more moved by this interview would care to comment on specific details that you found compelling. I am very curious to know. It is fully understandable that some watching this may not have heard some of this before, but there were no breakthroughs offered here, believe me. Although they wish to present all viewpoints, I am honestly surprised that Bill and Kerry even bothered to post this.

[feeler]

LOL, its Army rank for Senior Staff seargent/ Below it looks like an infantry badge.


And he is regarded as a man of peace?

Ask him to go to Guantanamo Bay to apply his military might if he so wants the NWO.

-feeler

[JoMo]

What a wonderful interview - his closing message has left me in tears - so very moving and hopeful. Thank you Bob, Kerry and Bill - magnificent!


I also thought the closing remarks were amazing. (I can't say I was in tears, I was close... :original: )
Thank you Bob. I will be courageous, I will be hopeful, and I will love one and another. Thank you Bill and Kerry for sharing with us the magnificent interview.

"Get rid of the fear. You have nothing to fear..."

[Norval]

As I was asked by several posters to comment, ok here it is. :sad:


I liked the part about having nothing to worry about, and the blood in the streets.
So we are not to concern ourselves about the blood in the streets.

There was nothing new mentioned, at all.
It is the Japanese that have the JAXA craft taking pictures of the moon, not the Chinese.
Several other mistakes, hell, I took 4 pages of notes. His obvious biblical knowledge is
extensively lacking to say the least.

Just misdirection and disinformation I would have to agree
with those that say that. :thumbdown:

[feeler]

This guy was giving credit to a bunch of Nazi.

"We certainly wouldn't have beaten the Russians"

The moon desert was lit only where the spot light was; there was absolutely no blast mark on the loose soil underneath the rocket engine exhaust. And you guys think he's telling the truth?

-feeler




http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/image/0309/aldrinswc_apollo11_big.jpg

[efields]

What a wonderful interview - his closing message has left me in tears - so very moving and hopeful. Thank you Bob, Kerry and Bill - magnificent!

Yes his closing message was of such awareness that it should broadcast through the Heavens. Enjoy your, few, precious, moments, of your little, life. When you get to the age as Bob and I have you see what folly it is Indeed to be worrying about absolutely 'Anything'. Folks we simply have Not the Luxury of time for such foolishness! Be with your loved ones and enjoy your few precious moments together. It all passes so quickly, and is but a moment, in the eye of Creation. Better to sit in the sandbox and be in Joy than to run helter skelter, parry, to and fro, looking, for some imaginary answer. Your life has been engineered, it is simply far too short for such activities. Enjoy your few moments to the Best of your ability, and when you look back from Spirit, you won't be sorry you wasted, those short seconds, being dissatisfied and unhappy with the Gift of physicality you were given!

Come what may, all your searching will not help any of us from our 'end' which comes far to quickly, no matter, what happens, on this Orb. This we are all guaranteed. We will all surely Perish from this movie we call Reality, sooner or later. Indeed we have no time for Upset or dissatisfaction or fear....

Be kind to each other my good children. Any other course of action is Sheer Folly. Live your life as well as you can, and hurt as few as possible, so when you reach an age of reflection you can look back and have a measure of pleasure and gratitude and Peace. When you relive it a second time. Pretty little pictures.. This the best advice I can give, As it was given to me by a much older and wiser sage, who in turn had it given to him ad infinitum. And so it goes my Brothers...

Blessings to us all :winksmiley02:

[Gnosis5]

Yes, thank you Bill and Kerry. Dean seems to be well aware of our true nature as beings and that is how he can take it all in stride.

The only thing I would add to what he said is that the Keepers have been using this planet as a dumping ground for wayward citizens -- dumping their spirits into meat bodies. How else would there be so many beings on this planet -- and always 10 more ready to jump in as soon as a new body appears to be forming?

This planet is nothing compared to what we are as beings. Posh! We used to make planets like this before breakfast :-) Why don't we just wake up and get the hell out of here and start living again? Okay, it's late, forgive me.

cheers!
Gnosis





Thanks for this Bill and Kerry, I'm listening to Bob's interview right now. What a beautiful soul and such great information:thumb_yello:

[Gnosis5]

Yes, I see more refinements in her too, well done on her part.




There is something about this man that just rings true for me.

Wanted to point out what a great interviewer Carrie is. She has really come into her own when it comes to asking really good questions.

And knowing when not to jump in. She has a very good ability to listen. Well done Miss Cassidy! You make us proud.

[Gnosis5]

At some point in your development you will be able to go and look for yourself and I plan to do the same, rather than wonder if someone is telling the truth or not.

cheers!
gnosis


I am confused.

Bob said he is a good friend of John Lear.
Doesn't John say the PX is a fabrication.

Is this right?

Can I just ride the middle of the line? With information / disinformation so believable, I have to believe one or the other on faith? Like believing in God? Wherever she is.

[Gnosis5]

I had also heard that the lower boat was built later as a memorial to the original boat.




The thing I find interesting about the interview is at the beginning. He states that there is a huge Boat on the top of Mt Ararat. Now I know for a fact that a huge rectangular remains of ship has been found in the hills of Arat mountians in the north of of turkey near the border of Iran. If there is a boat as well on the top of the mountain than that would explain to me why there were giants after the flood. If Noah was building a huge ship, and had to have help from the watchers to do this then it makes sense that Satan would have seen this and clued in his camp and thus perhaps the story of gilgamesh who btw was declared to be a son of the gods or nephilim if you will, is not the same story as noah but a second story of a boat created to help the blood lines of the sons of God survive the flood and maybe, just maybe there were two arks. :shocked: I wish we could prove the claim of the anomoly and the boat at the top it would explain alot. :bleh:

[Gnosis5]

The reason Ingo was not silenced is that he told everything before he could be silenced and after that there was no point in silencing him. That was his survival strategy.

Dean has already said everything and that is why they are not silencing him, I suppose. The other reason is that maybe he knowingly or unknowingly is giving out some false hope/information. I agree with him that we should not act out of fear, but.....



I dont understand all the hype about this guy. Seems like a nice enough guy, very grandfather like archetype. Lots of cool stories and observations but no substantive proof of anything.

I though he already gave his "Last Interview" ? He didnt maybe write another book did he?

All these "insiders" are suspect to me. If the secret societies (if they even exist) felt threatened than any "insider" spilling his guts would be silenced immediately. Just my opinion.

[Gnosis5]

As far as the Keepers or the Ill-Illumined silencing the whistleblowers, I think they will silence you for two reasons: 1) you know too much and/or 2) you are doing something spiritually effective and it might spread to others and the Keepers might then be "changed".

Hint: they hate love bombs :-)

cheers,
gnosis

[feeler]

Dean has already said everything and that is why they are not silencing him, I suppose. The other reason is that maybe he knowingly or unknowingly is giving out some false hope/information. I agree with him that we should not act out of fear, but.....


Perhaps Dean is a useful tool - to the bad guys in CIA. Wish that the good guys in CIA could stop the 9/11 false flag attack. Where were the good guys?

http://www.conspiracyplanet.com/images/911demolit.jpg

-feeler

[333mark333]

Thanks Kerry and Bill.
Thanks Bob Dean
:)

[DiVineEnvy]

Anyone up for a Midnight Swim at Lake Vostok?

Meet you by the Anomalous Mass Concentration. You can't miss it once you find your way through the surface ice. It's the giant, solid gold Statue of Poseidon.

Oh, and I hear that the temperature in the water is just FINE. Let's Go!! :boat:

Enki and Enlil tossed around like household names? Good thing I read Michael Tellinger's Slave Species of god over the summer.

While I completely grok Bob's analogy of how we would appear to certain ET's as chimpanzees appear to us, I wonder if there is anything at all a clever 'human chimp' can do to signal to a 'god' to view it with good reason as an Uplift Candidate! For instance, if perchance I get that part-time bartendering job I applied for at Pine Gap that required the special security clearance...

All kidding aside, I enjoyed the interview. Kudos to Bob, K&B. :thumb_yello:

It is hard to evaluate the veracity of Bob's Nibiru info, especially on the timing of the next return. Bob's prediction of the 2013 to 2017 window seems to be based almost entirely on his assumption that the last return brought on the volcanic eruption on Santorini in 1600 BC. How do we know that for sure?

For the time being, I will keep an open mind...

[Starlah]

If you are interested in mangas and japanese animations you may be interested in the series Spriggan: Wiki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spriggan_(manga)) (cancelled in north america).
One anime was produced based on the series about the Noah's Ark on Mount Ararat: Youtube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v7t-3DNzJkE)

It's amusing to see some of the themes of Project Camelot mentioned in a manga series written in 1989 to 1996 (perhaps they are "common" in human culture):
MJ-12 plus some occult organizations like ARCAM and Trident Corp.,
Mind Controlled Super Soldiers (some with godlike psychic powers): COSMOS, Spriggans
Exotic treasures hunting ala Indian Jones:
Crystal Skull, Noah's Ark, Holy Grail...

Fun to watch (if you have time).
______________________________________________

Jan maybe you can help Abgott on this thread...he/she is having trouble (being French speaking) understanding the story on Bob Dean. Merci Beauqui
(and I know I spelled "very much" wrong).
________________________________________________
Kick at the Darkness until it bleeds Daylight...Bruce Cockburn

[FoxForceFive]

BTW if we had a one world government, who would we go to war against????
Us... the people - it would be us versus a World Army.

[Bill Ryan]

He didnt maybe write another book did he?



No, hueyii, he didn't.

[Bill Ryan]

Wish that the good guys in CIA could stop the 9/11 false flag attack. [/COLOR]

Maybe they have (so far)...

[Bill Ryan]

Think how much stress those who HAVE access to bits of the Truth must be under. What do you think Their lives are like?

A few 'children' Pushed Henry Deacon away from this forum.
They just have No understanding of what he has gone through or is still going through.



Hi, orionsbelt:

You make an excellent point, and your remarks about the 'children' who pushed Henry Deacon away from this forum are well taken here. I am still appalled at what happened.

I would love to see him return... I've received dozens of messages asking what I can do to persuade Henry to post here again. I've only been able to reply that I hope he will. He's been sorely missed by many, including myself.

In Australia, talking to some people there, I got a tiny taste of how little most of us on the 'outside' understand, and how advanced the classified technology really is (and what a complex mess we are in).

It gave me a headache for several days. :original: I thought of Henry at the time... the truth is a huge burden to carry.

Very best as always, Bill

[King Lear]

This guy was giving credit to a bunch of Nazi.

"We certainly wouldn't have beaten the Russians"

-feeler




That is something what "intellectual limited" persons like you will never understand!

Wernher von Braun and his fellowship at first were scientists and not Nazis!
Of course they joined/had to join at a certain point in their lifes the the Nazi party (NSDAP). But millions of other Germans did the same. Because of 2 reasons:

1. they wanted to give a boost to their careers, similar to many people who join or sympathisize with the ruling parties of their country today. (Republicans/Democrats)

2. They were totally convinced that this is a good cause/ideology (fighting christianity-hating communism, fighting the depression and the great unemployment and fighting for the rebirth of a proud nation) they couldn't know what all this would affect 12 years in the future.
They were as keen as mustard for this new way/ideology, similar to all these young Obama-followers, who have such great hopes in him.
But they don't know either today if the situation will become better or worse with him in a few years.

So, you see, being a Nazi or Ex-Nazi (NSDAP-Member) does not mean that they were enbodied devils, mostly they were plain people.


And Bob Dean just mentioned that the USA wouln't have made it to the moon before the Soviets, if von Braun and his crew wouldn't have given a boost to the US-research.


That was no credit to Nazism, in no way!
Just a mention of the historical facts.

[NikolaZ]

Very nice interview! Thank you Kerry and Bill.

I am wondering though why the video was flipped (horizontally)when side view of Mr. Dean is shown? The light source is from the left side on his front view closeups but the light is coming from the right when he is shown in sideview (profile). This is evident from the position of the lapel (with pins) and 'watch' on his arm. I am assuming that this was done because this side is well lit rather than show the 'shadow side'?

I did notice too that the 2nd camera was on Mr. Dean's left side whenever the camera was being panned from Kerry. Or maybe that was a mirror? Sorry just an observation :)

[enemyofNWO]

Congrats folks, great interview as usual. Thanks a lot. :)

I've always had a respect for Mr. Dean, may be bacause he feels like a grandfather figure to me, since I never had a change meet mines in this lifetime.He radiates with a very positive aura and energy around him.

I'm still wondering if you guys are going to do an interview with Billy Meier, before he passes away. I know its difficult to go through that snoop FIGU thing, but who knows you may succeed...

Keep us informed guys...we love you. :)


I share your sentiments about Billy Meier . I enjoyed the interview with a few reservations . On Mr . Dean's interview there are a few common themes recurring in other notable interviewd people on Project Camelot that I found to say the least disturbing. For example the notion that the ET will not allow a nuclear war because the planet is too precious . I found this idea totally bonkers for the simple reason that depleted uranium weapons have been estensively used in at least 3 recent wars not counting the hundreds of the atomic experiments all over the world and the use at the end ofWW2 . And perhaps micronukes where also used in the 9/11 job . The ET have allowed over the years the use of nuclear weapons on the Earth .
The other disconcerting notion is that our genetic makeup is so precious ! AH ,Ah . Knowing humans , how vile most of them are , ready to prostitute themselves for a few bucks to the secret police I do not find anything precious in that . The wonderful artistic achivements pale into nothing when confronted with : hunger , thirst , lack of education and health , greed ,
deception , lies about our past , lies about space exploration etc, etc .
The other thing that I find most troubling is the idea of love . Love your enemy . Ah , AH . Love your ET Manipulators ? Your state secret police and the criminal judge that gave the orders so you can be " gang stalked " ? Nuts idea ! In a society where the lives of individuals are not worth even a bullet , I do understand why murder of your enemies is possible .
If you do not believe this , think about IRAQ and 1.2 million people dead .
Personally I think that the problems of this world can be resolved by reintroducing the guillotine for ,the banksters, the oil merchants , the corrupt politicians , the members of the Reserve Bank ,the armament manufacturers , the religious leaders , the economic professors and the professionals in the stock market . That's a revolutionary idea !
What do you think .

[Stephen]

I for one highly enjoyed this video.

When watching/reading about things of this nature one must ask their 'Gut'.

When doing that one must be aware of what their 'Gut' is telling them.
Meaning, to make sure your 'Gut' is not pre-conditioned and pure as possible.
Try not to allow pre-determined thoughts and ideas to affect your 'thinking' when listening to your 'Gut'.

After saying all of that my 'gut' tells me that Bob Dean is the Real Deal.
That does not mean he knows everything or is 100% correct.
It only means he is on the right track.

Bob Dean does not have a huge Ego to feed.
Bob Dean is not trying to profit from what he is telling us.
Bob Dean sincerly cares/loves people as a whole and THAT is his motivation.

Bob Dean does not need to read any Ancient Text to know what he is talking about.
Bob Dean's experiences (and his wife...do not forget her) is enough for this Dood to understand that what he is telling us is as accurate as he 'knows'.

I also like the part where Bob Dean 'Tipped His Hat' toward John Lear.
That was very gracious of him for Bob Dean is a Gracious, Eloquent, Loving soul!

[King Lear]

Bob Dean does not have a huge Ego to feed.
Bob Dean is not trying to profit from what he is telling us.
Bob Dean sincerly cares/loves people as a whole and THAT is his motivation.

I also like the part where Bob Dean 'Tipped His Hat' toward John Lear.
That was very gracious of him for Bob Dean is a Gracious, Eloquent, Loving soul!

Totally right:thumb_yello:

[jan]

French community @RIM forum thread: http://icietmaintenant.fr/SMF/index.php?topic=1511.15
More will probably come when a transcript is be available.

thx to translator Diouf.

[Jenny]

Bob Dean radiates integrity right from his core being.

Jenny

http://img2.travelblog.org/Photos/2296/84763/f/526782-integrity-1.jpg

[Bobcat]

I mentioned in my earlier post that I noticed he said "Yes" to the new world goverment.
I dont agree. He said about blood on the streets !!

I understand what he is saying about "higher lvl's" but ffs, what about the people that dont want to be controled by others and dont want to "plain High"? Myself, I like growing my own veg, being part of the ground crew and im not realy interested in floating about in space !

I hate the idea of the new world governing everyone. Blood on the streets? is that the supression of the public? "who else"

I do not stand by these values. Anyone that wants to go floating in dimentions, well good luck and i'm happy for you "good luck".

I don't want to sound rough to people, it's just my opinion for myself.

Kind regards

Bobcat

p.s. I like pulling my own carrots and potatoes :)

pps, when/iff the NWO takes it's goal, who could argue with their decisions? ground crew won't. Its very wrong.

[feeler]

So, you see, being a Nazi or Ex-Nazi (NSDAP-Member) does not mean that they were enbodied devils, mostly they were plain people.



Plain people? What a Nazi sympathizer. Do you know the Nazi group included mind control specialists, interrogation specialists, and particle beam weapon specialists? Do you know it was illegal to bring them in to America? Do you know that was the starting point of the corruption/infiltration of the CIA? Do you realize we are heading towards a Nazi-style dictatorship? Do you know particle beam weapons were used to kill 3000 civilians on Sep 11?

Below, photo of a tower being dematerialized by particle beam weapons:

http://www.conspiracyplanet.com/images/911demolit.jpg

[freespirit]

Svalbard International Seed Vault wasn't built for fun, its a marker for times to come.

freespirit

[zorgon]

Rome did not create a great empire by having meetings, they did it by killing all those who opposed them.

Quite true... And even the Federation of the Star Trek series ( a working one world government) has phasers and photon torpedoes on every ship

There is nothing wrong with a one world government... the only issue is WHO is running it :wink2:

[zorgon]

There are plausible theories about Our sun being one of a binary star system. .

Well that is just the problem the story keeps changing.

The dates for its arrival... look around the web

2003 Zeta talk
2009 {not sure where that came from}
2012 based on Sitchins orbital calculations
2017ish Bob Dean
2085 Sitchin says this is the earliest that the Annunaki will come by
2900 Ad Sitchins latest revision in "End of Days"

What Nibiru is

Its a Planet
Its a Dwarf Star
Its a Dwarf Star with a Planet
Its a Dwarf Star with several planets

2012... Mayan calendar tied into Nibiru Who started that? Not Sitchin..
2012... "we will be crossing the Galactic Plane" Wrong we did that 2 million years ago and are currently 50 light years above the rim
2012... the day when the Sun blocks the Center of the Galaxy... astrological significance. Okay sounds plausible... but how does that end the days?

I am sure there are more...

How is anyone supposed to believe any of this when the people telling us the truth can't give us the same story?

The binary star is plausible... but so far other than the 'flicker' in the path of the two Pioneer spacecraft there is no sign of a gravity anomaly big enough to account for it. Problem is the two craft went in OPPOSITE directions :tongue2:

[Carol]

According to Bob Dean, Christ was really born March 1st 7 years BC, which makes this 2015. 2017 would be in the next 2 years. He also was giving a time-frame around 2017-2020. That would be for us 2010-2013.

[zorgon]

The reason Ingo was not silenced is that he told everything before he could be silenced

Well none of the rest of the team of Project Stargate were silenced either. Joe McMoneagle even has a website like Ingo does. Johns been talking forever :wink2: And PsiTech is alive and kicking

[zorgon]

Oh, and I hear that the temperature in the water is just FINE. Let's Go!! :boat:

Temperature is fine... its the microbes that haven't seen the light of day for 420,000 years that are the issue :mfr_omg:

JAXA Japan Aerospace EXploration Agency

Personally I think the Chinese Chang-e 1 Lunar Mission is a fake like the recent spacewalk :tongue2:

[zorgon]

Maybe they have (so far)...

Yes maybe they have...

Maybe the dark forces are not as powerful as people think... because if they were, they would not need to be in the shadows

Maybe the good Illuminati wield enough power to curtail their plans...

Maybe all hope is not yet lost...

If it was ... we would already be marching to a different drum

[zorgon]

That was no credit to Nazism, in no way!
Just a mention of the historical facts.

You say that... and you have this in your signature..

http://projectavalon.net/forum/image.php?u=759&type=sigpic&dateline=1221313413

Forgive me if I am confused.

Von Braun did change his tune later in his career... He quit NASA because he was against arming space..

But he was not just an ordinary citizen... he built weapons of mass destruction and had no qualms about how they were being used... And when he came to America... he built weapons of mass destructions for us... long before he went to NASA... he built the ICBM's

http://waffen.mysteria.cz/ig-braun/braun-nazi-02.jpg

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/41pegasus/04images/Nazi/Braun_Group.jpg
After the war, 118 German rocket scientists worked together at Fort Bliss, Texas.
(U.S. ARMY AVIATION AND MISSILE COMMAND)


Operation Paper Clip brought 580 Nazi scientist over here..

Intelligence and government officials faced a delicate moral quandary in 1945—whether it was worth it to give American homes to men who had invented weapons to kill American soldiers, men who in some cases subscribed to beliefs that hundreds of thousands Americans had died to eradicate. In the end they decided it was, if these men could help the United States defeat the Soviets.

—Christine Gibson is a former editor at American Heritage magazine.

American Heritage Magazine (http://www.americanheritage.com/events/articles/web/20051116-nazi-operation-overcast-harry-truman-henry-morgenthau-allies-japan-ussr-scientists-missile-sputnik-apollo-immigration.shtml)

[Knightbk]

Until somebody can prove Aliens exist to me, I wont believe it.

That being said, I agree about his Economic view, which is that it will be "difficulty", not cataclysmic with people dying left and right.

[Chinderland]

Personally I think the Chinese Chang-e 1 Lunar Mission is a fake like the recent spacewalk :tongue2:

Hi, Zorgon,

What do you think is the reason for the faking? Is it because China is still not technologically capable of doing so? Or is it that the government has something important to hide from the public?

I am really curious about your opinions on the Chinese moon mission and the recent space walk. And what about John Lears' thinking on these two, if you happen to know? :sweatdrop:

BTW, I have read most of your posts, and personally I think they are very informative. :thumb_yello:

Thanks.

[King Lear]

Plain people? What a Nazi sympathizer.

Thanks for your kindness. So, just to mention that millions of NSDAP members were plain people and not blood drinking demons makes me a Nazi sympathizer. Thank you for you intolerance.

Not every NSDAP member was like Himmler, Heydrich or Hitler.
In this party were also physicians, teachers, loving mothers....

Not even the whole SS was responsible for the Holocaust, at least all supported the system, but actually working on the Holocaust were only 10,000 SS Members:
High ranks like Himmler and Heydrich and 10,000 men of the SS Division "Totenkopf" and the Einsatzgruppen (Task Squads) in the east.

The rest of the Waffen SS (former VT = Verfuegungs Truppe) were just a military elite force like the US Marines today, they mostly were at the front and not in any death camps.

The Waffen SS had in the middle of the war hundreds of thousands men and at the end it became a mass-army of 3 millions.
But all 3 million Waffen SS members are now blamed for the cruel deeds of 10,000 sickos and some insane politicians.
Even all 18 million Wehrmacht (German Army) members got blamed for the deeds of these 10,000.
And at the end, even all 80 million Germans got blamed for the deeds of this these 10,000.

(In Britain even today some people love to paraphrase Germans as "Nazis")

Imagine every single American gets now blamed for the deeds of some insane sick individuals in Abu Graib. Or for the insane politics of their last president.




Do you know the Nazi group included mind control specialists, interrogation specialists, and particle beam weapon specialists?....Do you know particle beam weapons were used to kill 3000 civilians on Sep 11?

That's the same issue as the "Nazi Saucers" - BS.
If you give me hard proof - I'll believe you. I've no problem to admit a misapprehension.
But until you don't deliver the proof I've to say: weird esotheric BS.
Of course they thought about saucer-shaped planes, made some sketches and maybe some 1:1 models. But they never built real flying saucers.
Everything the US pilots saw were the jets they developed in the end phase of the war, like the Heinkel He 178, the Messerschmitt Me 262 and the Messerschmitt Me 163 „Komet“. The same with your "ominous" particle beam, maybe there were some ideas and plans for it, but nothing more.
If the Nazis would have possessed saucers and particle beams, wouldn't they have won the war?



Do you know it was illegal to bring them in to America?

Yes, maybe. But the US wanted to gain their research results. They had to win a race against the Soviets, so they ****ted on the law. As the agencies always do. Is that new for you?




Do you know that was the starting point of the corruption/infiltration of the CIA?

The corruption started much earlier. Maybe in 1776 when all the Freemasons came to power. Or in 1924 when Hoover created the FBI and ruled it till his death in 1972. (I know the FBI is not El CIAda, but you know what I mean)
Another starting point could have been 1913--> FED
Or 1941 when the war started.
Or 1947
But in no case a bunch of German scientists, of whom the most weren't able to speak English, could have started the corruption in El CIAda with some Jedi mind tricks.



Do you realize we are heading towards a Nazi-style dictatorship?

What we are heading for is TOTALITARISM!!!
And that worldwide.
Stop only blaming Fascism and Nazism! They are only one side of the coin!
There were also Communism, Stalinism, Lenism, Marxism, Maoism and the Red Khmers.
Why do you always forget what Stalin did? Was he such a nice guy for you?
Are you maybe a "Commie sympathizer";) (payback hehe)
Or what about Mao, who killed 46 millions of his own people?
Or Pol-Pot who killed over 2 millions of his small Cambodian nation?

Come to reality, all this dirt together is the same!
And it's called TOTALITARISM!

Stop blaming just a part of the criminal body!

http://img60.imageshack.us/img60/7283/totalitarismqs0.png (http://imageshack.us)

[King Lear]

You say that... and you have this in your signature..

http://projectavalon.net/forum/image.php?u=759&type=sigpic&dateline=1221313413

Forgive me if I am confused.


I forgive you;) What's wrong with my signature? Do you doubt that 9/11 was an insidejob?
I don't know what exactly happened on that day, but I assure you the official report is the real conspiracy theory.
And I think you would agree about that.

That is not contrary to any historical facts I mention here.



Von Braun did change his tune later in his career... He quit NASA because he was against arming space..

But he was not just an ordinary citizen... he built weapons of mass destruction and had no qualms about how they were being used... And when he came to America... he built weapons of mass destructions for us... long before he went to NASA... he built the ICBM's

After the war, 118 German rocket scientists worked together at Fort Bliss, Texas.
(U.S. ARMY AVIATION AND MISSILE COMMAND)

Operation Paper Clip brought 580 Nazi scientist over here..



That I can explain to you:
von Braun always dreamed for a lunar flight. Even in his childhood.
He made sketches and plans long before the Nazis seized power.

But then they came to power, and he was in the right age to fulfill his dreams - we shall not forget the Nazi movement was a highly modern movement! - Hitler was the first politician who flew from campaign-speech to campaign-speech by plane.
They massively used the radio - they made a mass medium out of it - they even supported the developement of the TV and the first live broadcasting in 1936! And so on and so forth...

And that attracted von Braun, he thought that now his time has come for developing a lunar flight.
Till this moment (pre-1939) for most Germans the Nazi-movement wasn't really a negative thing - they thought they would bring them progress, especially the annihilation of the great unemployment was important for them.
They never guessed that a war would come, not in 1938 and not even in early 1939.

You can read it in old newspaper articles of British and American reporters of this time, where they described: "There's no nation on earth who is such war-reluctant as the Germans, they just enjoy their economical recovery."

But then - WHAM - the war came.
And also von Braun had to show allegiance to the system, for example by entering the party.
And there's a term called: "rally around the flag (in hard times)" Especially Brits are very familiar to this term.

"Right or wrong - it's my country"

And at least von Braun was a German and he did what he could do to support his country - and that was to build rockets.
Of course that was terrible for the people in England - but what could he do about it? - he had to do it.

As Bomber Harris and his RAF pilots had to bomb hundreds of thousands of Germans to ashes - it was war.

In fact there are on both sides war criminals, but at the end only the loser gets accused.


And when the war ended, what should von Braun do? Germany was ruined and he was not a convinced Nazi but a Anti-Communist. Especially because he said to himself "Never again a totalitarian movement like the Nazis shall rule over Europe again".
Because he saw the result of that with his own eyes.

And Stalin and his Communists for him were the 2nd totalitarian force who could bomb Europe - maybe the whole world - to ashes again.

And so he choosed the Americans, because they were the big Anti-Communistic power back then.

And so at first he had again to show his allegiance to them by building ICBMs and taking the American citizenship - it was the Cold War!

But he never lost his paramount goal out of sight - the lunar flight!
And only at the end of his life it was granted to him to work on this paramount goal - the lunar flight.

And that was for the whole human kind. Earlier in his life he always was abused by leaders and world powers.


And today?
There are some smartass people who read 5 pages of some books related to him, where they read 2 words "Wernher von Braun" and "Nazi" and then they think that they are in the know and have to propagate it to others.

And the same procedure with the rest of the 580 "Nazi" scientists.
Nazi=German? Be honest folks!

[PodWORLD]

Just a little aside.

Von Braun took a lead from the Robert Goddard the father of american rocketry who lived and worked from 1930 - 1942 in...Roswell New Mexico.

King Lear is absolutely correct. Peoples knowledge of WW2 is very often thin at best. I wondered as a child why the allies never bombed the train tracks to at least slow the concentration camp process down. Then you become more informed and realise how complex and dirty the whole business really was. Read Rabbi Weissmandel's ten questions for zionism here.

http://www.nkusa.org/Historical_Documents/tenquestions.cfm

[Norval]

Miriam Delicado Interview, Your Views? 367 posts, and 13,680 views.
http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=3397

IMO, I would put both of these interviews in the same class. Nothing new, very little
substance, a book sellers ploy. Hype over nothing. When will Bill and Kerry's book be
coming out? :wink2:

[petem]

Re: A major new Camelot interview -- Bob Dean: The Coming of Nibiru

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Miriam Delicado Interview, Your Views? 367 posts, and 13,680 views.
http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/s...ead.php?t=3397

IMO, I would put both of these interviews in the same class. Nothing new, very little
substance, a book sellers ploy. Hype over nothing. When will Bill and Kerry's book be
coming out?

You must be getting old Norval. Skepticism at its best. Not one of their guests, on Camelot, give me the impression of wanting a "MESSIAH" label. I have yet to hear one of them mention buying their book. They each give us something to analyse or even research.

Tell me something, what are your plans in the next few years?

[Norval]

Funny you should ask, as I just posted this here, ,

http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/showpost.php?p=60609&postcount=78

:mfr_lol:

[Operator]

2012... "we will be crossing the Galactic Plane" Wrong we did that 25 million years ago and are currently 50 light years above the rim


Hi Zorgon,

This is new to me ....
As far as I know project Stardust is sending probes out to measure how close we are in our approach ...

Do you have any background info on this to proof or support the statement ?
Not to attack you or whatever but rather to re-evaluate my own info.

Thanks, cheers

[zorgon]

Hi Zorgon,

This is new to me ....
As far as I know project Stardust is sending probes out to measure how close we are in our approach ...


Hehe Link to Stardust please? :bleh:


Do you have any background info on this to proof or support the statement ?
Not to attack you or whatever but rather to re-evaluate my own info.

Mais naturellement,Monsieur

Standford University

http://solar-center.stanford.edu/FAQ/Qsolsysspeed.html

I did make one typo though... I said 25 when it's 2..

From the book: _Guide to the Galaxy_, 1994; Henbest and Couper; Cambridge University Press.

The Sun is moving towards Lambda Herculis at 20 kilometers per second or 12 miles per second. Or in units "per hour": 72,000 kilometers per hour or 45,000 miles per hour. This speed is in a frame of rest if the other stars were all standing still.

The three-dimensional picture of the Sun's movement through the Galaxy is a little more complicated.

The Sun is moving upwards, out of the plane of the Milky Way, at a speed of 7 kilometers per second. Currently the Sun lies 50 light-years above the mid-plane of the galaxy, and its motion is steadily carrying it further away.

But the gravitational pull of the stars in the Galactic (Milky Way) plane is slowing down the Sun's escape. The astronomer Frank Bash estimates that in 14 million years the sun will reach its maximum height above the Galactic disk. From that 250 light-year position, it will be pulled back towards the plane of the Galaxy. Passing through, it will travel to a point 250 light-years below the disk, then oscillate upwards again to reach its present position 66 million years from now. We crossed the plane 2 million years ago. We are currently in the thick of the galactic disk and our view of distant regions is largely blocked by dust but 10-20 million years from now, our motion will allow a full view of our starry galaxy.

The Sun-Galactic center distance is 25,000 light-years -- plus or minus 2,000 light-years. The galaxy is thought to be 100,000 light-years in diameter and we are thought to be about halfway out from the center (used to be thought that we were two-thirds out).

If you have a good idea of the Sun's distance from the Galactic center, then the solar system's speed can be approximated. Using speed measurements of the gas at different distances from the Galactic center, the Sun appears to be cruising along at 200 kilometers per second and it takes 240 million years to complete the grand circuit around the Galaxy. This speed is an absolute speed.

That was used in my presentation of how fast and in what direction we are moving for this..

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/41pegasus/02files/Speed_of_Earth.html

Of course anyone can say all science is lying as well... but if we have to throw out all science to keep the conspiracy alive, then there is nothing left.

[zorgon]

Just a little aside.

Von Braun took a lead from the Robert Goddard the father of american rocketry who lived and worked from 1930 - 1942 in...Roswell New Mexico.

Actually he took his lead from Herman Oberth, the German counterpart of Goddard... and Tsiolkovsky beat both of them with the design of the liquid fuel rocket... and finally got credit for being first...that is history

[zorgon]

I forgive you;) What's wrong with my signature? Do you doubt that 9/11 was an insidejob?
I don't know what exactly happened on that day, but I assure you the official report is the real conspiracy theory.
And I think you would agree about that.

Oh sure its an inside job, I just happen to believe that the NAZI's are still kicking under a different banner. I will let that rest right now as I can can not show you the proof yet... however Prescott Bush, Rockellers and Standard Oil funded the NAZI into power... THAT is history... and where are these three today? Bush still sits on the throne, Rockefellars still control money, and Standard Oil is now Exxon/Chevron et all. Exxon recorded record ever quarter profits in the opening year of the Iraqi Freedom Movement (that many MISTAKENLY call a "war")

Now as to 9/11 Particle Beam Weapon...

IF this was as you say BS explain to me how come the court case on this very issue was ..
A) Allowed to be filed in the first place considering the penalty for frivolous law suits in such a case
B) Has twice stood calls to dismiss...

Do you think our courts would have allowed this case to be heard if the judge did not feel there was enough evidence to proceed?

QUITAM COMPLAINT and JURY DEMAND DOCKET NO. May 31, 2007

UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT FOR THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK

Plaintiff/Relator,
DR. MORGAN REYNOLDS on behalf of the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA,

vs.

Defendants. :
SCIENCE APPLICATIONS INTERNATIONAL CORP.;
APPLIED RESEARCH ASSOCIATES, INC.;
NuSTATS; COMPUTER AIDED ENGINEERING ASSOCIATES, INC.;
DATASOURCE, INC.; GEOSTAATS, INC.;
GILSANZ MURRAY STEFICEK LLP;
HUGHES ASSOCIATES, INC.; AJMAL ABBASI;
EDUARDO KAUSEL; DAVID PARKS;
DAVID SHARP; DANIELE VENEZANO;
JOSEF VAN DYCK; KASPAR WILLIAM;
ROLF JENSEN & ASSOCIATES, INC;
ROSENWASSER/GROSSMAN CONSULTING ENGINEERS, P.C.;
SIMPSON GUMPERTZ & :HEGER, INC.;
S. K. GHOSH ASSOCIATES, INC.;
SKIDMORE, OWINGS & MERRILL, LLP;
TENG & ASSOCIATES, INC.;
UNDERWRITERS LABORATORIES, INC.;
WISS, JANNEY, ELSTNER ASSOCIATES, INC.;

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/47john_lear/02files/QuitAm_Complaint_and_Jury_Trial.htm

CURRENT STATUS of this action

EVIDENCE FOR DIRECTED ENERGY WEAPONS PUT FORWARD IN A DQA REQUEST FOR CORRECTION: PERSONS WITH SUPPORTING INFORMATION ARE ASKED TO COME FORWARD AND BE HEARD

http://www.drjudywood.com/articles/NIST/Qui_Tam_Wood.shtml

So while you say BS... the Courts are hearing evidence

You can ask John Lear about this case as he has sworn an avidavit to add his voice to this complaint

You can also ask John about the current status of the NAZI and where he got that info from :tongue2:

Many people sit in forums and are arm chair rebels...

A handful are brave enough to take open action...

USA Military Officers Challenge Official Account of September 11
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/47john_lear/02files/25_Former_US_military_officers_criticized_%20911.h tml

They include former commander of U.S. Army Intelligence, Major General Albert Stubblebine
Major General Albert Stubblebine was part of Project Stargate and after that closed was a prime founder of PsiTech (that 'took over' from Stargate)
Major General Albert Stubblebine was also part of the Aviary

That is all I will add for now on that :bleh: Gets into some deep water from there.. but I will add that the NAZI info comes via this channel :wink2:

Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth!
http://www.ae911truth.org/

Pilots for 911 Truth
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/47john_lear/01archives/Pilots_For_Truth.html

You will find Johns name on page one.

[zorgon]

R They each give us something to analyse or even research.


Hehe Yeah and 'some' get 'annoyed' when you follow the lead and actually dare to find and post something real to back it up...:mfr_omg:

Or dare to question their source.

Would it not make more sense and be more believable if they gave source documents and links etc other than just a good story? I mean its expected of us to back up everything... why do 'they' get a free pass? :tongue2:

[King Lear]

@Zorgon

Perhaps you're right on the beam. I can't say. I need time to study the documents you've linked here before making a judgement.

Perhaps it's the same as with the TR-3B. Who knows?

After all the black budget is 1.3 trillion $ big - almost 2 times as big as the bailout



But on the funding of the Nazis I can comment:
In the early years, long before 1933, Hitler was funded by 2 rich ladies personally. And then later he became a multi-millionaire of his own because of the selling of his book "Mein Kampf".

And the Nazi party was funded from the mid-1920's till the seizure of power in 1933 by the 2 major German industrialists Thyssen and Krupp.

And they did that because they were patriots and very nationalistic, they hoped that through this new movement Germany could rise again.



What the American industrialists, like Prescott Bush did, was just bargaining with a new rising power - nothing more.
And very few like Henry Ford sympathisized with their ideology.


Never Rockefeller gave Hitler 10 trillion $ in the right hand and in the left hand a letter on which was written that he had to fulfill the NWO agenda or such stupid things.

That's esotheric - excuse me - BS.


And you cannot call American industrialists Nazis - that would mean they worship this certain ideology - and that's totally untrue!
The only one they worship is themselves - rember the Aaron Russo interview and his meeting with Rockefeller!

There're also no old nazis operating in disguise - ridiculous.
They are the new NWO guys - they give a damn on any ideology.
They're more a kind of nihilists.

So,
Stop blaming just a part of the criminal body!

http://img60.imageshack.us/img60/7283/totalitarismqs0.png (http://imageshack.us)

[feeler]

Yes, maybe. But the US wanted to gain their research results. They had to win a race against the Soviets, so they ****ted on the law. As the agencies always do. Is that new for you?





Nothing new? Is that your "moral justification" for you to accept bringing in a bunch of psychopaths (i.e. mind control specialists, interrogation specialists, and particle beam weapon specialists) into the CIA to further corrupt the perhaps already corrupted CIA?

You, a self-proclaimed 9/11 truther, obviously failed to relate the 9/11 false flag operation to the staged Reichstag fire, the Prescott-Bush-Nazi link, and the advanced particle beam weaponry (due in part to the Nazi "researchers") deployed to destroy the twin towers, resulting in 3000 civilian deaths.

[King Lear]

Nothing new? Is that your "moral justification" for you to accept bringing in a bunch of psychopaths (i.e. mind control specialists, interrogation specialists, and particle beam weapon specialists) into the CIA to further corrupt the perhaps already corrupted CIA?

Before i accept such ridiculous claims I need some proofs of you feeler!
Zorgon claimed something - but he also delivered some documents I can study - YOU only claim!

You, a self-proclaimed 9/11 truther, obviously failed to relate the 9/11 false flag operation to the staged Reichstag fire, the Prescott-Bush-Nazi link, and the advanced particle beam weaponry (due in part to the Nazi "researchers") deployed to destroy the twin towers, resulting in 3000 civilian deaths.

The only similarity between 9/11 and the burnt Reichstag is: that both administrations profited from it - nothing more.

Historic science till today admits that there is no evidence that the Nazis burnt the Reichstag. Historic science only says that they PROFITED of it.
Till today historic science says it was the mentally retarded Communist Marius van der Lubbe!

So, what do YOU really know about the Reichstag?

For example, someone like David Wilcock (with a college degree:lol3:) said in his last interview: The Nazis "bombed" the Reichstag and "that it is admitted".
Ridiculous.

That comes out if someone does not really study history and just takes the headlines or refers to some wrong informations.

[Greg10036]

Hi, orionsbelt:

You make an excellent point, and your remarks about the 'children' who pushed Henry Deacon away from this forum are well taken here. I am still appalled at what happened.

I would love to see him return... I've received dozens of messages asking what I can do to persuade Henry to post here again. I've only been able to reply that I hope he will. He's been sorely missed by many, including myself.

In Australia, talking to some people there, I got a tiny taste of how little most of us on the 'outside' understand, and how advanced the classified technology really is (and what a complex mess we are in).

It gave me a headache for several days. :original: I thought of Henry at the time... the truth is a huge burden to carry.

Very best as always, Bill

Speaking of Henry. You started to pursue a line of questioning in this interview which kind of got side lined. Specifically, I think you started to ask Bob about 'jump rooms' and Terran occupation of Mars when he brought up the Annunaki inhabitants of Mars and how they stopped the Phobos project. Did you get a chance off camera to cross check his Mars info with what Henry has said about jumping and inhabiting Mars and how the Annunaki would deal with that. Whether there is hostility, cooperation, or they simply are not there. Great to hear your info or your views on this.

Regarding your comment on the advanced tech. Withholding it from the public has created an energy gap, an exchange gap, as well as a tech gap. The secrecy has prevented us from joining the 21st century

Appreciate all of your great work. Thank you for this interview. All the best to you and Kerry.
g.

[feeler]

Before i accept such ridiculous claims I need some proofs of you feeler!
Zorgon claimed something - but he also delivered some documents I can study - YOU only claim!



The only similarity between 9/11 and the burnt Reichstag is: that both administrations profited from it - nothing more.

Historic science till today admits that there is no evidence that the Nazis burnt the Reichstag. Historic science only says that they PROFITED of it.
Till today historic science says it was the mentally retarded Communist Marius van der Lubbe!

So, what do YOU really know about the Reichstag?



And what do you know about Reichstag? Obviously you seem ready to believe the “lone gun man,” the “lone anthrax mailer,” and in this case the “lone arsonist,” who was legally blind.

Sure, you can see the “administrations” but failed to see the Nazi running them.

I am not Zorgon. Documents will not help you see the whole truth unless you drop your selective memory/thinking.

-feeler

[King Lear]

And what do you know about Reichstag? Obviously you seem ready to believe the “lone gun man,” the “lone anthrax mailer,” and in this case the “lone arsonist,” who was legally blind.

Sure, you can see the “administrations” but failed to see the Nazi running them.

I am not Zorgon. Documents will not help you see the whole truth unless you drop your selective memory/thinking.

-feeler

Don't understand what you mean by the first part of your reply.

And the rest...
I feel sorry for you, because you seem to be ideologically blinded.

(you always will only see the right arm and ignore the rest of the body, i.e. you transform the right arm to the whole body)

http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/3794/feelerna8.png (http://imageshack.us)

[rogers2710]

I was listening to Bob Dean the other night about the E.T. interview He was more concerned about the E.T.'s treatment than anything else . .HE seems to be a very kind and loving man. On the subject of nibiru. well IIIIIIIIIIIIIII Just don't know.

[feeler]

Don't understand what you mean by the first part of your reply.

And the rest...
I feel sorry for you, because you seem to be ideologically blinded.

(you always will only see the right arm and ignore the rest of the body, i.e. you transform the right arm to the whole body)

http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/3794/feelerna8.png (http://imageshack.us)


And you always will only see the body ("administrations") without being able to see the spirit (i.e. Nazi ideology) inside.


-feeler

[King Lear]

And you always will only see the body ("administrations") without being able to see the spirit (i.e. Nazi ideology) inside.


-feeler



but the body does not symbolize the administrations:tongue2:
spirit? so communism and capitalism has a nazi spirit ideology?!?

Man, that's sooo weird.





And all that started with someone accusing the good-hearted
Bob Dean for giving credit to Nazism. Unbelievable.

Bob is such a decent person.

[RSF]

but the body does not symbolize the administrations:tongue2:
Spirit? So communism and capitalism has a nazi spirit ideology?!?

Man, that's sooo weird.





And all that started with someone accusing the lovely
bob dean giving credit to nazism. Unbelievable.

He's such a decent person.
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hah ?
Rsf

[omshanti]

actually, my first post...
i so greatly enjoy listening to the interviews on proj cam...the diverse range of opinions...strategic "disinformation"- yes i agree, bob is likeable...warm and so on...
but it concerns me when people write of his unwavering integrity. in this interview he even admitted lying to kerry! - and, as many pointed out,..there really is no new info- even his closing words, although beautifully poetic (and a philosophy that greatly resonates with moi) nothing new....
for me the session was about three people genuinely likeing eachother. respect. goodwill. love. nothing wrong with that eh..!@

[pilot]

When did he admit to lying to Kerry? I guess I missed that.

The only thing that concerns me about whistle blowers who appear on the PC videos is that if they are being "allowed" to leak this information, then is it reliable? If we really aren't "supposed" to know, then we would not-they would never come forward, and if they did it would be the end of them.

Think of how many people have been permanently silenced for much less.

None of the people on PC SEEM to be in fear for their lives, so I assume they are sanctioned by some force to speak.

It is confusing and makes me want to cancel my cable. That way I'd be forced to rely on my own intuition more, and not all these expert whistleblowing insiders ...

the subjects they are discussing are out of most of our control-
all we can do is prepare and hope.

Certainly not waste precious time quibbling semantics with internet trolls who like to pick ridiculous arguments.

(Who ever responds will prove that they are who I refer to):lmfao:

[feeler]

And all that started with someone accusing the lovely
Bob Dean giving credit to Nazism. Unbelievable.

He's such a decent person.


He acts and talks like an Illuminati promoting the NWO ("a One World Government"). Paraphrasing here: It's all good. It's all good. We are just having some "growing pain."

Wait a minute. Can anyone with a conscience call "water boarding" in Guantanamo Bay "growing pain?"

CLARIFICATION: NWO <> One World Government (i.e. not the same)

I just now finished page 125-127 of Bob's wife's book which provided the clarification. My apology.

[AussieG]

Hypothetically speaking, no foundation, fiction (get the drift)
After watching Bob Dean, if the Anonakie are and have been in charge since day dot. If planet X is there home and it is maintained by an energy source that relies on Gold. Would it not be a good idea to seed planets around it orbit with beings that could mine Gold so that as they traverse the vast distances they could replenish their supplies. It seems strange that the most precious metal on Earth just so happens to be gold, countries hoard and store it. The Knights Templar and the fractional banking system replaced gold with paper, and up until recently it was the basis of currency. The Central banks cleaned out Fort Knox in the 1950s and control the vast majority of the worlds GOLD:wall:
Just thinking!:sweatdrop: