halfpasthuman says crash may have begun!(10/22/08)

[ophiuchus]

urbansurvival.com (webbot translator) has just posted a special notice that the predicted dow crash to the 5800 level may have just begun. any comments?

[Labratinaz]

My husband says that his Money Magazine told him that 80% of this downturn is made up in the first year. He is a bit skeptical about the Elliot Wave theory in that it is great historically but during the ride, you really don't know where you are on the curve.

I don't know enough. Does anyone really think it will get THAT bad?

Peace and prosperity

[Myplanet2]

we'll have to wait and see. Robin Landry has a remarkable record, and George quotes him a lot. I wouldn't discount his predictions.

On the other hand, the PTB will seemingly do anything within their power to prevent the apparency of the crash to come to attention before they are ready. At least until after the coming US election.

So we'll have to wait and see. Gold, Silver, Oil, US dollar are all behaving against natural tendencies.

[zorgon]

any comments?

Only one...

I am fed up with predictions with nothing to back it up... :tongue2:

[joe2288]

yeah im gonna have to agree half past human said oct 7 somethin

would happen and it never did :thumbdown: which was a big let down

i think goerge green has a better idea about whats gonna happen and

in my own opinion i do believe somthin willo happen but i m feb up wioth

people giving dates:smoke:

[eugene_vn]

The Elliott Wave theory (lots of background on this at www.elliottwave.com), which seems to be the main interpretive tool they are using at HPH in addition to their linguistic analysis, is all about outlining most probable scenarios for future market movements and then refining those scenarios based on actual price movements. I've been an adherent of this method of stock market analysis for many years, though I readily admit it has its limitations and in no way provides a "crystal ball".

A good overview to the Elliott Wave theory and the related field of “socionomics” is provided in a free online film at http://www.socionomics.net/history/ .

One of the most curious aspects of Elliott Wave analysis for those who sense the coming world changes is that this theory of stock market behavior, which was developed by a relatively obscure accountant back in the Depression era named Ralph Elliott, is predicting a major stock market bottom around the year 2012. That forecast relies entirely on numerical relationships of past stock market price levels, not Mayan prophesy, astrology, etc. . . . though of course it can be seen as corroborating predictions based in those traditions.

I happen to agree mostly with the short-term "wave count" or forecast posted at HPH, in that I'm looking for a move Thursday off today's low up to around 8800-9000, followed by a big selloff of at least 20%. I'm more comfortable calling for the selloff to make a temporary bottom in the 6800-7000 area, though, rather than 5800 (not clear how HPH arrived at that figure). But it will definitely be a very emotional selloff so extensions to the downside wouldn't be surprising. In all likelihood there will be a sustained rally late this year and in the early months of next year, and this will probably fool a lot of people into unwisely re-investing in the stock market at precisely a terrible time.

The mainstream media like Money Magazine and Bloomberg.com are unfortunately doing a major disservice to the public through both shortsighted analysis and, in some cases, willful attempts to get mom-and-pop investors to play the stooges who will buy stocks from the “smart money” insiders getting out of the market while there is still time.

When they quote figures such as 80% recoveries within a few years, or claim that “buying and holding” stocks is a nearly foolproof long-term strategy, they are basing those claims on data sets going back only to the early twentieth century. That is where the “shortsightedness” comes in:

A key hole in all of the media comparisons of the current financial crisis to the Great Depression is that the current crisis, in Elliott Wave terms, is one degree of magnitude greater than the Great Depression; its most recent historical precedent is in fact the 70-year bear market of ca. 1720-1790. Precisely because no one alive today personally recalls the economic crisis of the eighteenth century, few people have an accurate estimation of how bad the coming bear market will be. It’s no coincidence that wars raged in many parts toward the end of the 18th century bear market (USA, Europe, Southeast Asia. . .) and so the potential for armed conflict towards the end of the current bear market is also rather high.

Luckily, and for reasons with which many here at Avalon are familiar (in terms of the “speeding up of time” going into 2012), the coming bear market is not likely to last several decades as in the eighteenth century. We will probably get through the worst of things by 2013-2015. However, quantitatively speaking, we will see the Dow fall at least to 1800 and very possibly to just triple digits as envisioned by HPH.

There are always multiple possible scenarios within an Elliott Wave interpretive framework; and that is to a large extent where the group consciousness / imagining and bringing into reality of positive futures work here at Avalon plays a key role. That is the kind of factor which absolutely can make the difference between having the bear market end at 1800 or 700 (or 50) on the Dow.

Elliott Wave theorists have found that the underlying neurological reason why stock market prices follow the patterns identified by Ralph Elliott is that investment decisions in most people are predominantly made by the reptilian (fear/greed) part of the brain, rather than the higher intellectual or intuitive faculties. As we evolve as a species away from the reptilian aspect of our thinking and behavior, it makes sense that we will also cease subjecting our society to these alternating cycles of financial boom and bust.

The bottom line in terms of investment advice is to get out of stocks, bonds, and nonessential real estate, and get into a combination of gold, silver, and strong currencies (the yen will be the dominant currency in the coming months – beyond that timeframe the markets will tell us what to hold, but the USD will likely be toast by then). Gold prices are nearing $700/oz. now and will likely bottom around $600-650. However, since availability is so tight, it’s probably a good idea to buy it when you can (where I live gold is readily available but we pay a 10% premium over spot price for example) even before prices have bottomed.

[Carol]

I just spoke with my banker son in England who said the next 6 months will be bad.

[strayslack]

yeah im gonna have to agree half past human said oct 7 somethin

would happen and it never did :thumbdown: which was a big let down

i think goerge green has a better idea about whats gonna happen and

in my own opinion i do believe somthin willo happen but i m feb up wioth

people giving dates:smoke:

Are you kidding me with this?
The HPH data was dead on. The info never said "something big would happen on Oct. 7". What it said was that around that time would be the beginning of a major downward turn, and any half-wit who googles the DOW chart for the last month can see that at that precise time, the Dow dropped significantly, a volatility that the market hasn't seen in a long, long time. We ain't seen nothin' yet. Check out the latest update to urbansurvival.com. The Dow is plummeting as we speak.
Do your research, son, then make a comment.

[CosmicFever]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLMF5GM0Kt8

peace,
julie

[joe2288]

Are you kidding me with this?
The HPH data was dead on. The info never said "something big would happen on Oct. 7". What it said was that around that time would be the beginning of a major downward turn, and any half-wit who googles the DOW chart for the last month can see that at that precise time, the Dow dropped significantly, a volatility that the market hasn't seen in a long, long time. We ain't seen nothin' yet. Check out the latest update to urbansurvival.com. The Dow is plummeting as we speak.
Do your research, son, then make a comment.


no no what he said was on oct 7 there would be a major shift in

consciousnes and that never happenened but hey the stock market is down

604 right know with 20 mins to go so its dropin about 10 points a minute this

is bad i take back my prvious staerment about the 22nd this might be a big

day godspeed and its just droped 60 points while i was writing this wow

[strayslack]

no no what he said was on oct 7 there would be a major shift in

consciousnes and that never happenened but hey the stock market is down

604 right know with 20 mins to go so its dropin about 10 points a minute this

is bad i take back my prvious staerment about the 22nd this might be a big

day godspeed and its just droped 60 points while i was writing this wow

You are simply mistaken.

[Orion Morris]

strayslack..

joe2288 hasnt said anything that needs your correction

he retracted his previous statement and then pointed out the stock markets current status....

I think you are the one mistaken

[Avid]

Only one...

I am fed up with predictions with nothing to back it up... :tongue2:

The latest Bob Dean interview would correlate with these generics, however, it's a lot of 'common sense' that there will be trials and tribulations as the economies of the world are being deliberately taken down by the 'elite' to effect their plans. It resembles 'their' plans ww1, ww2 et al. Their method is their madness, and surely now we should wake up and not be nullified yet again!!!

These predictive linguistics only support what the 'elitist' plans want us to hear. My mind is my own, and always will be - I look for inspiration elsewhere, to achieve peace of mind, honour, truth and by inspiration from some very brave people who are honestly trying to tell us reality.

You sow the wheat from the chaff, and the plants from those seeds will reap the greatest rewards.

Namaste :original:

[strayslack]

strayslack..

joe2288 hasnt said anything that needs your correction

he retracted his previous statement and then pointed out the stock markets current status....

I think you are the one mistaken

With all due respect, when joe2288 asserts that no shift in consciousness happened, or in a previous post, that "nothing happened", he was mistaken.
Thanks for your concern.

[Ampgod]

Are you kidding me with this?
The HPH data was dead on. The info never said "something big would happen on Oct. 7". What it said was that around that time would be the beginning of a major downward turn, and any half-wit who googles the DOW chart for the last month can see that at that precise time, the Dow dropped significantly, a volatility that the market hasn't seen in a long, long time. We ain't seen nothin' yet. Check out the latest update to urbansurvival.com. The Dow is plummeting as we speak.
Do your research, son, then make a comment.

Use logic. This was in the works long before that date.:nono:
Why do people have this need to cling to useless date predictions?:nono:

[CosmicFever]

With all due respect, when joe2288 asserts that no shift in consciousness happened, or in a previous post, that "nothing happened", he was mistaken.
Thanks for your concern.

I guess we could look at this objectively and agree that's it's different for each of us. Food for thought.

peace,
julie:original:

[Baggywrinkle]

I guess we could look at this objectively and agree that's it's different for each of us. Food for thought.

peace,
julie:original:

If your neighbor is loses their job it is a recession. If YOU lose your job it's a depression

[strayslack]

The reason I've taken umbrage to these remarks is that I felt as if the post was trying to lump the HPH data in with concepts like this Blossom Goodchild nonsense, and that is simply unacceptable.
I agree that HPH is something upon which we should not solely base our thoughts and actions, and something to approach with caution, but to completely dismiss it is a mistake, in my estimation.

[Steve_A]

Hi ophiuchus,

I can see the DOW getting even lower AFTER the elections!

The present government will stop helping the banks and markets next year. The present government has not yet declared its balance for this year and has to meet foreign debt payments which I doubt it has money for.

Just to give you some idea of how 700b can go, Warchovia reported a loss of 28b just for last quarter! Here in Brasil, the central bank yesterday spent 22b trying to stave off the fall of the Real against the dollar. How much do you think was wiped off the DOW these last couple of days (even though volume today was light)?

The US government is asking for yet another 'stimulus' package this week.

There will be a meeting on the November 15 in the White House of 20 top world leaders to discuss the changes that will need to take place to move the world econnomy forward.

There will be a lot of cuts and bruises along the way. Even some window jumpers.

Of course there will be, there needs to be, a different approach and philosophy as to what is wealth.

Best regards,

Steve


urbansurvival.com (webbot translator) has just posted a special notice that the predicted dow crash to the 5800 level may have just begun. any comments?

[pineal-pilot-in merkabah]

lol orly.. hum have you been under a rock for the last month.. crash started ages ago..

[RubyTuesday]

DOW has been crashing for awhile. What triggered the major downturn in the UK? What was the big thing that really told people something major is happening? The failure of a wealthy country. ICELAND guys- their currency is worth toilet paper. Oct 7, 2008. While it may not seem like a "big" event here in the US because it isn't all over our MSM, we are still seeing the ramifications. It's much larger than we can imagine.

[Steve_A]

Hi pineal-pilot-in merkabah,

That is clear. If you need to find the starting point, you need to go to the end of the .com boom, or even when the banking system changed from money supported by gold to money supported by interest rates and loans, or even go further back to when money was invented (no money, no loss of money).

The question was about the level of the DOW and when it will dip below 5800.

It is also important to identify the reasons and also what attempts are being made to try and stop it (if it's possible).

We need to try and understand why this will happen, where the mechanics of the system went wrong. Once that is understood we can protect ourselves for the next time - if there is one.

In another thread SeekingAlpha offered this link to a Scottish Hedge Fund Manager who gives his view:

http://www.cnbc.com/id/15840232?video=899394201

also check this one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9G7HQpXby5k

Best regards,

Steve


lol orly.. hum have you been under a rock for the last month.. crash started ages ago..

[joe2288]

With all due respect, when joe2288 asserts that no shift in consciousness happened, or in a previous post, that "nothing happened", he was mistaken.
Thanks for your concern.

ok since your the expert on this subject why dont u tell us exactly what he

was right about in half past human and wat shift in consciuousness happened

:smoke:

[pineal-pilot-in merkabah]

look we know the idea is to crash the economy why waste time with wondering when it goes..the idea with this site is to get ready for it.. for those that dont know what a crash means.. here goes.. worthless money= food ques, loss of sevices, total dependance on nthe state.. THIS IS WHAT THIS SITE IS ABOUT!!!!!!!!!!!!! TO GET OF THE GRID AND PREPARE TO GO IT ALONE IN YOUR GROUPS OF TRUSTED PEOPLE... forget the economy its toast :)

[Aisuru Chiku]

Does anyone have link to the interview w/ Jeff Rinse last night ?
please forward ; )

[feardia]

yeah im gonna have to agree half past human said oct 7 somethin

would happen and it never did :thumbdown: which was a big let down

i think goerge green has a better idea about whats gonna happen and

in my own opinion i do believe somthin willo happen but i m feb up wioth

people giving dates:smoke:

october 7 was the start of the slide, there's along way to go yet, 5 months on the slide sounds like release language to me. see you on the other side :)

[joe2288]

october 7 was the start of the slide, there's along way to go yet, 5 months on the slide sounds like release language to me. see you on the other side :)


:nono: oct 7th was not the start of ther slide and if you dont believe me

then here is all the proof you need.

http://moneycentral.msn.com/investor/charts/chartdl.aspx?PeriodType=3&CP=0&PT=4&CE=0&D3=0&&ShowChtBt=Refresh+Chart&DateRangeForm=1&D4=1&ViewType=0&D5=0&ComparisonsForm=1&Symbol=%24INDU&C9=0&DisplayForm=1

[munkey]

remember that half past human was a tool designed to read stock markets.

The crash started before the 7th, it was obvious by the 7th that it wasn't going to bounce back as it had previously done.

That may have been the time when the general public started to wake up to the stock market crashing.

I personaly do not go into date predictions myself, but I do understand that people always want to know what the future brings, a little like sneaking a peak at what you are getting for Christmas rather than waiting for the day :original:

[CosmicFever]

If your neighbor is loses their job it is a recession. If YOU lose your job it's a depression

I must have misread something. I certainly was not making a reference to one's employment status. I'm in the process of closing a business I've owned for fifteen years. You just try to do the best you can with what you have to work with.

peace,
julie:original:

[strayslack]

:nono: oct 7th was not the start of ther slide and if you dont believe me

then here is all the proof you need.

http://moneycentral.msn.com/investor/charts/chartdl.aspx?PeriodType=3&CP=0&PT=4&CE=0&D3=0&&ShowChtBt=Refresh+Chart&DateRangeForm=1&D4=1&ViewType=0&D5=0&ComparisonsForm=1&Symbol=%24INDU&C9=0&DisplayForm=1

Wait a minute, are you arguing that the "event" started on October 1st, and therefore the Oct. 7th date is invalid?
Look, the market started a downward slide in the days before the 7th, but it wasn't really until the 6th or 7th that the entire population started the collective "Wow!", and that is precisely what HPH measures, the emotional release language generated by an event.
In other words, it was right on.
You're missing the point of the model they've developed.
Munkey, what you've said is the truth.

[ophiuchus]

DOW has been crashing for awhile. What triggered the major downturn in the UK? What was the big thing that really told people something major is happening? The failure of a wealthy world country. ICELAND guys- their currency is worth toilet paper. Oct 7, 2008. While it may not seem like a "big" event here in the US because it isn't all over our MSM, we are still seeing the ramifications. It's much larger than we can imagine.

excellent ruby!

[Knightbk]

I love how all of you help spread fear.

[IronWoman]

all these predictions seem like absolute BULL!!!!!

[xenomorph]

yeah im gonna have to agree half past human said oct 7 somethin

would happen and it never did :thumbdown: which was a big let down

i think goerge green has a better idea about whats gonna happen and

in my own opinion i do believe somthin willo happen but i m feb up wioth

people giving dates:smoke:

Keep in mind that the Half Past Human guys spoke of October 7 as a day when an event would occur to trigger other events. They never said that it would be something that would be obvious or grand in scale. Just because there was no monumental occurrence on that day does not mean that the "release" spoken of is not in full swing. Only time will tell. I would not be so hasty to discount things, but we may never know what the October 7 event was or if it indeed even happened. They gave a date, but were very clear in stating that they had no specifics as to what the event would be.

[strayslack]

all these predictions seem like absolute BULL!!!!!

Well gee, how can I argue with insight like that.

[munkey]

I love how all of you help spread fear.

maybe you would prefer something like this?
http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g285/catholiclouisiana/ostrich_head_in_ground_Full.jpg

[strayslack]

I think you're being too nice. It's more like this:

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[LOCOAZ2008]

READ THIS

Welcome to the opening ceremony of a modern depression.

The effects of the financial shock are starting to make themselves felt in my neck of the woods. Neighbors on three sides not involved even peripherally in the financial markets are unemployed now. Vacations for the year have been cancelled.

Even Paramount Pictures announced this week that they would only be “green lighting” 20 films for production instead of their originally budgeted 25.

General Motors (NYSE:GM), Ford (NYSE:F) and Chrysler (DCX) are laying off thousands upon thousands.

Copper and nickel mines are closing, and feasibility studies are being postponed. Yahoo is laying off 10% of its workforce.


http://www.gold-eagle.com/editorials_08/west102208.html

[ralok_j]

:nono: oct 7th was not the start of ther slide and if you dont believe me

then here is all the proof you need.

http://moneycentral.msn.com/investor/charts/chartdl.aspx?PeriodType=3&CP=0&PT=4&CE=0&D3=0&&ShowChtBt=Refresh+Chart&DateRangeForm=1&D4=1&ViewType=0&D5=0&ComparisonsForm=1&Symbol=%24INDU&C9=0&DisplayForm=1

No, the 7th wasn't the start of the slide, but it was the day that most people realized that the global financial system is totally boned. I have been in the financial services sector for 13 years and talked with many people that were shocked by what was happening.

I don't think you realize how serious this is. The credit markets are locked, the economic fundamentals of our economy are in the toilet, and there is too much debt being carried by the consumer and government sectors. Many bank's balance sheets are loaded with non performing assets (bad loans), which is restricting them from lending and putting a strain on their cash requirements.

There is a lot of blame to go around, but now isn't the time. The government throwing a few trillion of our tax dollars at the problems will more than likely make this worse. Do you see how this is building up? What the web bot guys are reporting is something my wife and I have been discussing since September.

[Reveling John]

Ok, so this is totally off-topic, and you seem like the crowd that was really enraged by this event, and I'm probably gonna get censored or moved to another thread or some sort of warning, BUT

What a petty series of arguments this thread has devolved into. Well, here's something to take your mind off the stock market , i.e. the FEAR index (Are we all still being triggered but such a blatant wank-fest? F**K FEAR :trumpet:).....


While the following may be a confirmation of many of my own thoughts and intuitive observations, I understand that many are still very upset about this event. You have my deepest support as you continue to process this. And continue you should because, essentially, the 14th was only the beginning. From the 10-14-08 Blogspot (http://10-14-08.blogspot.com/)site I bring you this excerpt of Blossom's latest channeling:


May I say … I actually don’t have a problem with all of this as you know. Once my ego excused itself and left I could just feel the extreme LOVE that was being sent and I had the privilege of being sent consumous amounts of Light Love, courage and understanding by thousands. Many were not as blessed as me in that respect. What would you say to them? Many are asking for your take on it all. Is there more you would wish to express?

Indeed. Each soul in their individual form is experiencing the growth within their soul in one form or another., Each soul is having to decipher for themselves what all of this meant to them. What outcome could be better than the soul searching within each one that is taking place?
Do you see? Do you feel this awakening? We assure you in LOVE it is happening. Be of the DIVINEST LOVE dear ones of earth. Even those who have convinced their souls that we are not even figments of their imagination, shall in coming days find their confusion turn into understanding.

With respect, not for me, but for the many who shall read this … that’s what we thought was going to be accomplished on 14th OCT!!

The message has served its purpose. Far more effectively than you can imagine. IT WAS NOT A FAILURE.

I had said to you before the ‘non event’, that no excuse would do. Not for the world's sake or indeed mine, because this thing had become so big that it would simply make everyone lose faith AGAIN. I guess you don’t seem to be making an excuse. Pretty relieved about that. Many are saying that I knew on another level of myself that this is how it was going to be. Clearly, not on the human level. I doubt any human in their right mind would agree to doing what I did if they knew you weren’t going to show up!!! And … yep … I can accept that. I have bounced right back because of my knowing of LOVE and all it stands for. ALL IS AS SHOULD BE. I KNOW THAT. And that’s why I don’t really need an answer but I understand that many do.

It is time for us to close now. We are aware of pressures upon you on your captive time values regarding matters you must attend to. Yet we should ask if we may continue our communication when it is appropriate?

Are you asking me to continue on a weekly basis?

No… but on a regular one.

Would that not be weekly then??

If that suits.

Could you send me a secretary then?

Would you rely on her to turn up on time?

Classic! Love it. Truly I have no concerns about the whole affair. I feel fantastic … because of the Love that is already on this planet and due to your no show, it has allowed us to show each other who we TRULY are. Nice plan guys. Nice plan. And I KNOW when we are ready ,not just a few of us, … but the majority of us… you shall reveal yourselves in the manner that we were all trying to imagine.

Blossom … take time to replenish your soul’s energy. As indeed each one should. For those of you that KNOW we are here with you, allow us to enter your hearts. For those of you who are unsure as to whether we are here with you … allow us to enter your hearts. For those of you who choose to deny we are here with you … let yourself and the LOVE that you are enter your heart. You certainly are not in need of ‘us’ to figure out that!

BE AT ONE WITH ONE ANOTHER. THE LIGHT OF GRACE SHINES DOWN INTO YOUR HEARTS FROM THOSE OF US THAT ARE IN GRATITUDE OF THE LOVE THAT YOU ARE SENDING TO US.

FOR INDEED WE ARE ONE.


Great Love,
John

[IronWoman]

all these predictions seem like absolute BULL!!!!!
i take that back.. a lot has happened in past few weeks..
and it is actually a great idea to speak of the possibilities..
because that is the only way we can prepare.. !

[ralok_j]

i take that back.. a lot has happened in past few weeks..
and it is actually a great idea to speak of the possibilities..
because that is the only way we can prepare.. !

Well said! Prepare for the worst and expect the best.

[shokdee]

I'm disappointed that so many people on this forum have such a superficial understanding of what Cliff's work is about and what he claims to be doing. His work is about LINGUISTICS, he tracks changes in words. From the emotional quality of these words they extrapolate the time scales involved. Listen to some of his interviews or visit Halfpasthuman.com to get a better understanding. Also, note they describe their work as providing a "rickety time machine" -it's not an exact science - and they admit they are sometimes wrong, or that they interpret word changes in the wrong way. Cliff is undeniably a genius linguist, a guru programmer and overall wise man. Let's give him the benefit of doubt, it's worth investing time and some effort to understand what he's doing.
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His latest interview on Rense is available as mp3 on Tree of Liberty forum, in the Root Cellar.
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Let's look at one fact. Early this year - January - George and Cliff were on Coast to Coast. They published a pdf (www.urbansurvival.com/c2csnotes20080102.pdf) to outline what the linguistics indicated for the coming year.

Looking forward from January they wrote:

October
• Global emotional release event begins – largely economic.
• Think of the US economy as a lit fuse that is lit over the early part of 2008
• In late 2008 the rest of the world’s currencies are ‘touched off’ by the dollar and US decline.
• May be a global replay of what the 1932 bond crash in the Great Depression was.

Note, "emotional release event begins – largely economic". No predictions about a "change in consciousness" or any of the other inaccuracies people are writing here.
Note, "US economy as a lit fuse that is lit over the early part of 2008". Clearly stating it is a process that started months previously.
Note, "In late 2008 the rest of the world’s currencies are ‘touched off’ by the dollar and US decline". Icelandic Krona anyone? Also Korean won, Pakistani rupee, Indian rupee, UK pound and on and on it goes.
Note, "May be a global replay of what the 1932 bond crash in the Great Depression was". Indeed it may well be. So why not think about what that might mean for you and your family!
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As a side note, I've been following the work of LEAP (http://www.leap2020.eu) for about a year too. Reading the snippets from their reports published around the 18th of every month. Would recommend anyone following George and Cliff to check them (a team of researchers) out as well. They also predicted the current market situation over a year ago. Now they say the US will default next year.

"In this 28th edition of the GEAB, LEAP/E2020 has decided to launch a new global systemic crisis alert. Indeed our researchers anticipate that, before next summer 2009, the US government will default and be prevented to pay back its creditors (holders of US Treasury Bonds, of Fanny May and Freddy Mac shares, etc.). Of course such a bankruptcy will provoke some very negative outcome for all USD-denominated asset holders. According to our team, the period that will then begin should be conducive to the setting up of a « new Dollar » to remedy the problem of default and of induced massive capital drain from the US."
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[Chinderland]

Keep in mind that the Half Past Human guys spoke of October 7 as a day when an event would occur to trigger other events. They never said that it would be something that would be obvious or grand in scale. Just because there was no monumental occurrence on that day does not mean that the "release" spoken of is not in full swing. Only time will tell. I would not be so hasty to discount things, but we may never know what the October 7 event was or if it indeed even happened. They gave a date, but were very clear in stating that they had no specifics as to what the event would be.

That's true.

Something "monumental" may have already happened but not yet revealed to the public. Think about "Manhattan Project" and "Project Paperclip", quite monumental, right? :original:

Also, something viewed as monumental (in history) in the future may not seem to be monumental at the present. Maybe it is the passing of the bailout bill? Or the collapse of Iceland? Time will tell.

The date of Oct 7 should better be considered as an approximate date. Public conscienceness of the HPH reports may alter the couse of events, either delay or precipitate the happening. Like in a feedback loop.

Just a thought.

[Myplanet2]

Cliff said in the Rense interview the other night, that with the issuance of the bailout money, that a sequence has been set in place that can't be stopped, and we're just going to have to ride it out.

George also said in one of his updates on Urbansurvival.com, that it might not be some big catastrophe, but rather that it's likely simply to mark a change which when looked back on in retrospect, will be seen to have set the whole debacle off.

The passing of the bailout seems to fit that bill, and it happened fairly close to the 7th.

They've repeatedly said that they could be off by a day or two in either direction.

If that bailout had been defeated in congress, some big investment casinos would have gone belly up in rather quick succession, but that's the market taking care of business. The losses would have taken place where they belong. The greedy gamblers pocket books. But they've now been paid off for their criminality, and the US tax payers are saddled with debts they can never pay, compounded by the fact that they are starting to realize that fact, and the confidence is shattered, which is the only thing that can buoy the markets. Confidence.

So I'd say somthing has indeed taken place which will change the landscape for good, and will be there to be seen by any and all as the trigger for the global colapse.

[eugene_vn]

Regardless of how one might wish to interpret evidence based on "predictive linguistics", the fact of the matter is that both technical and fundamental indicators of the stock market's health are both decidedly negative.

Don't be fooled by the recent big cut in the LIBOR rate. Just because banks are starting to lend to one another, doesn't mean they will lend to end consumers. In this economy, who wants a loan for a home, car, or business start-up? And that is just on the demand side. Banks receiving cash from the Fed or from one another are going to want to use that money to deleverage, not create more credit.

Credit spreads (i.e. the difference between interest rates on high-quality vs. low-quality debt) are continuing to widen at a frantic pace in spite of the machinations of central bankers, and this should continue to be a more reliable indicator than LIBOR. For example, the difference now between the yield on 30-year U.S. treasury notes and the Moody's BAA corporate loan index is well over 5%. A more normal value would be around 2%.

The economic and financial collapse will be punctuated by numerous (and sometimes sharp) upward corrections which many in the media will hail as signalling an end to the bear market. The key is to not get pulled into these short-lived rallies and instead, to preserve cash both for survival as well as investing in useful things when stuff is dirt cheap some time in the next decade.

[mmerlinn]

Duh. Sounds to me that HPH analyzes CURRENT facts. If so, that makes HPH an ANALYST AFTER THE FACT, not a predictor of the future.

Besides, WHERE WAS HPH when THIS thread (http://www.prophecytalk.com/index.php?topic=5109.0) was posted LAST JULY???

[ralok_j]

Duh. Sounds to me that HPH analyzes CURRENT facts. If so, that makes HPH an ANALYST AFTER THE FACT, not a predictor of the future.

Besides, WHERE WAS HPH when THIS thread (http://www.prophecytalk.com/index.php?topic=5109.0) was posted LAST JULY???

I think they had stated that there would be an economic issue in January.

[mmerlinn]

I think they had stated that there would be an economic issue in January.

Comparing nebulous 'economic issue' and specific dates are like comparing apples and oranges. WORTHLESS.

[ET137]

I'm disappointed that so many people on this forum have such a superficial understanding of what Cliff's work is about and what he claims to be doing. His work is about LINGUISTICS, he tracks changes in words.
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it might serve us well to remember there's a documented large number of young men here. and also... when we're communicating with certain types, (ie. political activists, police, military, firemen), these people are committed to the 'law of the land' and /permanently plugged into their root chakra/base. this is what leads them to enlist and "serve" in the first place. their vibration is often deep rust red in color, like clay...resonating much heavier than say, an artist or a spiritual healer, someone working with the violet flame's essence. so by their nature, they are not necessarily built to comprehend subtle energies/esoteric concepts, like seeing economic value in higher vibrational thought patterns or recognizing a concept like "release language". this means it requires a broadening of our own understanding --- and patience in communication. why? because neither is better than the other of course. and the truth is that often these people later on in life wish to develop their skills... and do. however in their youth they're more concerned with "winning" something.... getting "what they want"... rather than breaking beyond that barrier and opening up their mind to something universal that they do not yet comprehend. again, neither is better than the other.

all in all... beyond everyones unique natural gifts and talents.... it's wise for us to remember that there is a vast difference in intelligence across the planet.... (and the myriad ways in how its rightly calibrated). likewise within every forum across the land there are various layers of wisdom & ignorance represented and embedded across the board. the truth is that we each have a blindspot... and cannot see the back of our heads directly... and benefit greatly from taking a slow compassionate methodical approach to our every communication. however, we are also designed to "walk forward" in life... and in time, we stop responding to echoes of the past.

warm embrace,
e.t.

[joe2288]

:wall: lol im done arguing people on this thread we are all gonna have

different opinoins about the half past human predictions im sticking with mine

n throwing in the towel on this one :smoke:

[Selene]

Excuse me: The Dow has already lost 40% of its value in the past year - 2/3 of that in the past 60 days - and now these guys are predicting a crash???

That's just toooo funny.:roll1:

But the ElliotWave stuff is excellent - I've been a fan for years. It's highly technical, but an open system you can actually learn to use. They've been warning about this stuff for, oh, about 15 years now....

Cheers,
Selene

[mmerlinn]

Excuse me: The Dow has already lost 40% of its value in the past year - 2/3 of that in the past 60 days - and now these guys are predicting a crash???

Cheers,
Selene

I hope you are not referring to me here. I pinpointed this over a MONTH BEFORE YOUR 60 days started. NOTHING "NOW" about me predicting this crash.

[Selene]

Hi, Merlin -

No, I meant the Half Past Human group. I'd not seen your stuff from last July.

You said (on that link) "My target price for the S&P is around 900 on the 24th of October.." Since the S&P is closing today (the 23rd) around 900 - It was 1,250 when you wrote that - pretty good call, Merlin!

Are you familiar with the work of Christopher Carolan (The Spiral Calendar) http://carolan.org/? He's done some very good research on lunar phases in the market.

All best regards,
Selene

[PTTurboe]

I guess that BOT is correct!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[wisetom]

You know how there was mention of words such as "Revolution" in the release language.. well this looks like it is starting to appear:

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/business/july-dec08/psolman_10-21.html

NASSIM NICHOLAS TALEB: I don't know if we're entering the most difficult period since -- not since the Great Depression, since the American Revolution.

[Knightbk]

Personally, I think Half Past Human has read the Internet wrong.


All the "talking" is about the election and the economy compounded. There wont be some "big event" like they are predicting, the election is the event, and so is the economy.

Time will prove me right.

[granny]

Use logic. This was in the works long before that date.:nono:
Why do people have this need to cling to useless date predictions?:nono:

Actually what I think HPH said was that October 7 would be the beginning of the "release language" portion of the event which will last through next March. They said it could be a small event that would trigger the release and it would spread as time went on. Didn't Iceland go down about that time?

Oh well ... matters not ... economy is yucky and in a spiral ... downward.

Not much I can do except prepare to be self sufficient and eat pie!

Gran :roll1:

P.S. The real failure in predictive pronouncements was the Oct 14th alien ship.

Where are those guys?

[mmerlinn]

Hi, Merlin -

Are you familiar with the work of Christopher Carolan (The Spiral Calendar) http://carolan.org/? He's done some very good research on lunar phases in the market.



Nope. Never heard of him or his work. In fact, I have never studied anyone else's research into the markets mainly because by the time I get to the second paragraph or so, it seems like a lot of hot air to me. In this case, I think that I might like to do a comparison examination of it, but I seriously doubt that I will have the time.

Considering the predictions generated by most people it seems amazing to me that they can get it right once in a while. Of course, if one makes enough FUZZY predictions, sooner or later one will be close enough to be called 'correct.'

And when it comes to specific predictions, getting one right is like finding a diamond buried within Mr Everest.

I guess that BOT is correct!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

LOL. WEEKS late is better than nothing I guess.

[Ngai Te Rangi]

halfpast human..I was always lead to believe that we were our own 'body clocks' :tongue2:

[jonah70757]

My husband says that his Money Magazine told him that 80% of this downturn is made up in the first year. He is a bit skeptical about the Elliot Wave theory in that it is great historically but during the ride, you really don't know where you are on the curve.

I don't know enough. Does anyone really think it will get THAT bad?

Peace and prosperity


When the Dow Gold ratio hits 1 perhaps then it will be safe to think about owning paper assets. Money magazine is full of it! In a huge bear market like we have people that have stayed in might need 20 years to get even in real terms! Just think about Japan, wasn't the NIKKEI 39,000 in 1989? What is it now? 8,200?!! Please people stop listening to Wall Streeet or the folks that have gotten this situation wrong month after month after month for stocks and the economy for the last 1 1/2 years! Find yourself a good Austrian economist who have been warning of where we find ourselves today for the past 5 years!:trumpet: