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Hiya, I don't like to spam another site but i think this could be of assistance to the people here.
Look at the topic Here (http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread402958/pg1) And specifically the OP and the follow up on posts of Hidden_hand (http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/profile.php?member=Hidden_Hand&display=posts)
He has interesting things to say and will stay untill friday. It may be a hoaxer, but to be honest i do not think so and the reason he stated why he is doing this 'session' does make sense on some levels (retaining balans and free will can only be done with the availability of information) It sheds a whole new light on the 'evil doers' behind the scenes. I will collect and package the topic when he is done to keep it safe 'just in case'. He has some disturbing and uplifting things to share with us, look for yourselves and let me know if it rings true with any of you.
Antaletriangle
10-23-2008, 01:43 PM
This is hidden hand's opening sequence:
I am a generational member of a Ruling Bloodline Family.
Every so often, as per the directives of the Law of our Creator, a brief window of opportunity opens, whereby a select handful of our Family are required to make communication with our subjects, and offer you the chance to ask us any questions you would like answered.
I am double-bound in this duty. It is required of me by The Law of our Creator to offer this opportunity to you at this time, though I am also bound by the Law of (planetary) Free Will and by Family Oaths, that there is only so much I am able to say.
Rules define life in games.
If you wish to participate, here they are:
1). I will afford you courtesy and respect in the manner I address you, and I expect the same from you in reciprocation.
2). I will decide whether or not I am either willing or permitted to answer your question. If your question is not answered, it is either because I cannot disclose it, or because I considered your question was lacking in one or more of the following: respect, courtesy, intelligence, decency, or that it was otherwise unworthy of being dignified with a response.
3). That you agree to treat this potential dialogue with an aspect of "provisional faith". In practice, this means that rather than impeding the flow of information with crass comments of disbelief or petty name calling, my participation here requires of you that you discourse with me under "suspended judgment". In other words, wait until the process is complete, before deciding for yourself as to the content of truth and knowledge imparted herein.
4). That you formulate your questions intelligently. My time is limited. I do not want to waste it by having to trawl through pointless, futile, insensible or disrespectful questions, therefore I will answer the questions I feel are most deserving of a response, during the time that I have available. Use the time we have wisely.
If any of the above conditions are breached, I reserve the right to terminate our discourse forthwith, if I so choose.
That being said, I will attempt to answer your questions as honestly and openly as is permissible for me. I will check back and respond as time allows.
He replies here saying that rivers spring from oceans!?I may be too pedantic-but should be more accurate if the person concerned was of 'bloodline'.
Hidden hand:
Yes, as I say, knowing the line is of no practical use to you. It is the belonging to the Family that is important.
There are 13 'base' or 'core' original bloodlines. Yet there are many many other lines that spring from these, as do rivers from the oceans. If you imagine the 13 Original lines as Primary colour, that can be mixed to create a vast array of other colours, then you will have some comprehension. Again, no competition, just Family.
No competition in the sense of House against House, though it is a 'dog eat dog' world. So there is interpersonal competition in that sense of the word. Everyone wants to move up. Our whole Familial society is geared that way, toward upward progression.
Thanks for these links JOGY-interesting.
arcora
10-23-2008, 01:51 PM
A reptilian speaks on ATS. How droll.
Antaletriangle
10-23-2008, 02:01 PM
I'd give it a read either way arcora,however i understand exactly what you mean.Hidden hand talks about ATS being the most 'intelligent' forum and we are now in the time of 'the great harvest' and they need the world to be negatively polarised when this happens;goes on to say we're doing a great job of this and truly thanks all of humanity for our evils on each other!etc.etc.
arcora
10-23-2008, 02:05 PM
I read it. Lies mixed with truth designed to deceive. Reptillianspeak.
Antaletriangle
10-23-2008, 02:12 PM
In agreement mate-i love how they try their best;it's nowhere near good enough to turn me from the light but i also understand that on a spiritual level what we perceive as evil can sometimes be for the benefit of humanity-like when your mother told you as a kid-have to be cruel to be kind,slapping the wrists when messing with matches-at the time in your youth it's perceived as an hostile act from your parents but it's their way of stopping it happening again for your own survival..I find the posting by hidden hand quite interesting-we do have to see everything from different viewpoints otherwise there'd be no use in us being here.Be good to each other and love is the main objective.
Hidden hand:
Another excellent (and very insightful) question. Thank you.
The higher the quality of the question, the more depth I can give to my answer. It all has to do with the Laws of Confusion and Free Will.
Yes, the noonday Winter Solstice Sun of December 21st, 2012 is the time when the Lord of The Harvest shall return. You might know him as "Nibiru".
seekur3
10-23-2008, 02:12 PM
"Rules define life in games." says it all. We do have FREE WILL to choose to play their game or not.
It's time for thinking humans to walk the walk, past the talk.
Seth Haniel
10-23-2008, 02:27 PM
listening to John Lear and I think that ATS should be given a wide berth by people who want the facts
He really is pushing my buttons this guy (well I presume its a guy)
quote:
I will decide whether or not I am either willing or permitted to answer your question. If your question is not answered, it is either because I cannot disclose it, or because I considered your question was lacking in one or more of the following: respect, courtesy, intelligence, decency, or that it was otherwise unworthy of being dignified with a response.
His kidding isn't he, please tell me his kidding. :nono:
listening to John Lear and I think that ATS should be given a wide berth by people who want the facts
That is nonsense, the board is as good as the USERS on it. The admins and mods can, on some low level steer a discussion but when there is a major cover up people will notice. Remember it is a Conspiracy board, people on there tend to be naturally on guard. So not knowing or caring the Lear fight that caught fire there it is a USER GENERATED board.
And dismissing a whole board on the word of ONE angry person is bizarre, throwing out the baby with the bathwater. You can say what you want but it COULD be a truthfull poster. Take the information and look for the parts that make sense. Never ever follow someone elses opinion, make your own.
That guy could be a total doushbag or the real thing. Do you really want to pass up a chance to get good information on the presumption that the whole site is corrupt? I visit the site almost daily, does that make me a infiltrator? Guilty by association? Is that not a dogma of the current paradigm and not the one we want to bring into existence?
Sorry about popping the lid, carry on :thumb_yello:
Antaletriangle
10-23-2008, 03:17 PM
He really is pushing my buttons this guy (well I presume its a guy)
quote:
I will decide whether or not I am either willing or permitted to answer your question. If your question is not answered, it is either because I cannot disclose it, or because I considered your question was lacking in one or more of the following: respect, courtesy, intelligence, decency, or that it was otherwise unworthy of being dignified with a response.
His kidding isn't he, please tell me his kidding. :nono:
After reading this, well,last page now i find it very informative and rings a true bell in many areas.It's all about positive service to each other,thanks for the post again JOGY
Hidden hand quote:
"Thank you. We are aware of Project Camelot. They are doing some remarkable work. Though I was not aware they also have a forum, if that's what you are suggesting? Not really my area usually, dealing with the internet. In fact I rarely have time to even venture onto it. I have quite enjoyed this time of relating to others over "cyber-space".
Well, if you're game for an "assignment", or maybe someone else if you haven't the time, I would be happy for someone to collate this topic (minus the "interruptions") so that the message appears with just the actual flow of questions and answers, and post it there in one piece, if you so desire. As I mentioned before, I chose ATS as I was reliably informed that it is one of the forums with a higher rate of intelligence and reasoning amongst it's members. On the whole, from my experience here, I would tend to agree.
Though if you think it would be of value to Camelot, by all means you are most welcome to spread this message. The more people it can reach, the better."
Hidden hand talks about ATS being the most 'intelligent' forum
:roftl: That's a good one.
arcora
10-23-2008, 03:54 PM
After reading this, well,last page now i find it very informative and rings a true bell in many areas.It's all about positive service to each other,thanks for the post again JOGY
Hidden hand quote:
"Thank you. We are aware of Project Camelot. They are doing some remarkable work. Though I was not aware they also have a forum, if that's what you are suggesting? Not really my area usually, dealing with the internet. In fact I rarely have time to even venture onto it. I have quite enjoyed this time of relating to others over "cyber-space".
Well, if you're game for an "assignment", or maybe someone else if you haven't the time, I would be happy for someone to collate this topic (minus the "interruptions") so that the message appears with just the actual flow of questions and answers, and post it there in one piece, if you so desire. As I mentioned before, I chose ATS as I was reliably informed that it is one of the forums with a higher rate of intelligence and reasoning amongst it's members. On the whole, from my experience here, I would tend to agree.
Though if you think it would be of value to Camelot, by all means you are most welcome to spread this message. The more people it can reach, the better."
So a little flattery and some go running to take advice from reptilians?
samncheese
10-23-2008, 04:08 PM
In the end these will scream howls of agony, for thier work will turn to rust and they will be force to eat thier own for want of food. The enlightened will move on and the wolf will be alone and morn the loss of sheep as if they died and know not where they went. Into the past they shall search and still think the angels are dead....sorry I was moved to write this, I don't know where it came from.....
Peace Be With You.
arcora
10-23-2008, 04:28 PM
In the end these will scream howls of agony, for thier work will turn to rust and they will be force to eat thier own for want of food. The enlightened will move on and the wolf will be alone and morn the loss of sheep as if they died and know not where they went. Into the past they shall search and still think the angels are dead....sorry I was moved to write this, I don't know where it came from.....
Peace Be With You.
And I was reminded of this...
“Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing? The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the Lord, and against his anointed, saying, Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us. He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the Lord shall have them in derision. Then shall he speak unto them in his wrath, and vex them in his sore displeasure.”
Psalm 2:1-5
THE eXchanger
10-23-2008, 04:59 PM
He really is pushing my buttons this guy (well I presume its a guy)
quote:
I will decide whether or not I am either willing or permitted to answer your question. If your question is not answered, it is either because I cannot disclose it, or because I considered your question was lacking in one or more of the following: respect, courtesy, intelligence, decency, or that it was otherwise unworthy of being dignified with a response.
His kidding isn't he, please tell me his kidding. :nono:
NO, he/or she is NOT kidding
they are very clear in how they intent to eXchange
actually, that is quite a blessing they are up front
there are somethings
that some people are NOT allowed to reveal,
or, it goes against "inner circle" agreements/or traditions,
and, they are being quite clear about that
in how they make their statement
respect/courtesy/intelligence/decency are all necessary
aspects of "good eXchange"
otherwise, if at least three of them are lacking
courtesy/decency/and, respect,
it is necessary to NOT dignify those questions
with a response
(why waste good energy, on people who are NOT worthy of your eXchange)
on intelligence, i differ, in my own opinion,
as, i have never encountered, a question,
that was NOT intelligent ;)
brightest blessings
susan
the eXchanger
THE eXchanger
10-23-2008, 05:03 PM
So a little flattery and some go running to take advice from reptilians?
you might be shocked one day to find out,
you have "one" dna strand, and, it is "reptilian" ;)
how you play that "one" strand,
makes all the difference in the world ;)
as long, as you, have "charge" or "issue" with something
you will never transcend it ;)
love
susan
the eXchanger
dayzero
10-23-2008, 05:06 PM
A must read.
Be over 51%, that's all.
But _in_ "ALL". Always.
So why not aim for 100%?
All the Love
Every so often, as per the directives of the Law of our Creator, a brief window of opportunity opens, whereby a select handful of our Family are required to make communication with our subjects, and offer you the chance to ask us any questions you would like answered.
I am double-bound in this duty. It is required of me by The Law of our Creator to offer this opportunity to you at this time, though I am also bound by the Law of (planetary) Free Will and by Family Oaths, that there is only so much I am able to say."
This doesn't make sense to me- if we're just sheep in their eyes why do they give a hoot about making communication with us and answering questions? If they think little of us, why patronize us like this?? I don't know about this...
whitecrow
10-23-2008, 05:28 PM
Look at the topic Here (http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread402958/pg1) And specifically the OP and the follow up on posts of Hidden_hand (http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/profile.php?member=Hidden_Hand&display=posts)
Interesting stuff. I don't necessarily have an opinion if this guy is for real, but most of what he says dovetails exactly with what I think is going on - especially the process for achieving freedom. It may not even matter if he is "for real." Very often the most profound truths are found in works of fiction. And every politician knows that facts can be made to lie.
samncheese
10-23-2008, 05:35 PM
It doesn't matter what DNA anyone has, that is elitism. It is what is in your heart that matters. Not all reptiles are bad, not all humans are good.
peace be with you
This doesn't make sense to me- if we're just sheep in their eyes why do they give a hoot about making communication with us and answering questions? If they think little of us, why patronize us like this?? I don't know about this...
In the books that led most of us here, namely the paradigm series this issue has been touched upon in a similar way. Even the 'evil' ones are bound to the same rules as everyone else, they cannot break the rules but can bend them to the extreme. What that person said connects with what is said in those books. Especially when, as he claims he his, they are only evil in our 3th dimension perspective and they do it because in realities like this souls have te greatest opportunity to do good. Treat the information with detached interest and you will see the gems inside of em, even if the person is making an elaborate hoax he has to base it on truths so people stay interested. Don't follow blindly but use your own discrenment in these, heck ALL information given from whatever source that is not from your own wisdom. People tend to stick to their beliefs and dismissing anything that does not fit them, creating their own dogma and that is a terrible trap to fall into.
Sarahmay
10-23-2008, 05:45 PM
Hiya, I don't like to spam another site but i think this could be of assistance to the people here.
Look at the topic Here (http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread402958/pg1) And specifically the OP and the follow up on posts of Hidden_hand (http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/profile.php?member=Hidden_Hand&display=posts)
He has interesting things to say and will stay untill friday. It may be a hoaxer, but to be honest i do not think so and the reason he stated why he is doing this 'session' does make sense on some levels (retaining balans and free will can only be done with the availability of information) It sheds a whole new light on the 'evil doers' behind the scenes. I will collect and package the topic when he is done to keep it safe 'just in case'. He has some disturbing and uplifting things to share with us, look for yourselves and let me know if it rings true with any of you.
Hoaxer or not, it smells like truth to me. I've made my choice of positive polarity service to others...umm, most of the time...
swatch
10-23-2008, 06:05 PM
Hiya, I don't like to spam another site but i think this could be of assistance to the people here.
Look at the topic Here (http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread402958/pg1) And specifically the OP and the follow up on posts of Hidden_hand (http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/profile.php?member=Hidden_Hand&display=posts)
This is a brilliant enlightening read. Absolutely thought provoking.
Don't lose this opportunity to ask YOUR question.
Someone is on the internet that should not be missed.
arcora
10-23-2008, 06:28 PM
you might be shocked one day to find out,
you have "one" dna strand, and, it is "reptilian" ;)
how you play that "one" strand,
makes all the difference in the world ;)
as long, as you, have "charge" or "issue" with something
you will never transcend it ;)
love
susan
the eXchanger
And you may be shocked one day to find out that it isn't only humans who lie, and captors have no interest in teaching captives how to escape.
Rocky_Shorz
10-23-2008, 07:01 PM
hmmmmm sounds like someone got bored after Oct 14th didn't happen...
I read quite a few and can't remember who it sounds like...
wwolf67
10-23-2008, 07:05 PM
Can someone do me favor and post a link to the thread where arcora states that man is the only one with 2 strands of DNA and all other animals hane one strand. I need a good laugh today
Thanks
Balance to ALL
Giusmar
10-23-2008, 07:13 PM
"I am a generational member of a Ruling Bloodline Family."
This same thread went on for months on Godlikeproduction forum. :sad:
arcora
10-23-2008, 07:15 PM
Can someone do me favor and post a link to the thread where arcora states that man is the only one with 2 strands of DNA and all other animals hane one strand. I need a good laugh today
Thanks
Balance to ALL
I think you have me confused with someone else.
Lotus
10-23-2008, 07:20 PM
So a member of the insider elite pulling the strings wants us to peak behind the curtain and ask questions? Fascinating. It's good for a laugh.:mfr_omg:
"I am a generational member of a Ruling Bloodline Family."
This same thread went on for months on Godlikeproduction forum. :sad:
Do you mean the one that is being spread in pdf format now? From 2005?
efields
10-23-2008, 07:34 PM
seems 'Spot On' to me. Having read a bit of the Law of One he seems to be right on the money. Whether real or imaginary he speaks much truth. Don't concern yourself the Where of which it comes. Only the content. I think most will not be able to comprehend the truth he speaks. But there is beauty in his words and vision and Love. Fear not of the epoch to come. See the glass half full as opposed to half empty. That is what were born here to do, and to learn.
Blessings to us all
michaelg
10-23-2008, 07:38 PM
Hi, all.
It goes along the same lines as in the David Wilcock book in "Shift of the Ages" (includes also references to the "Law of One" series). BUT his book is on the positive side, very well explained scientifically, worth reading.
Positive and negative souls have to exist on this planet at this time on 3D density, that is one the "law of creation", folks.
Till the great harvest you still have plenty of time to join one side. I chose mine, like John Lear said quote:
"With integrity.
And without envy, hate or greed."
Peace
Giusmar
10-23-2008, 07:38 PM
Do you mean the one that is being spread in pdf format now? From 2005?
Yes, Jogy.
Magii
10-23-2008, 07:45 PM
U guys want a Real Deep Insider?
Here is a Real Deal one .. not that ATS / GLP Garbage
ATS + GLP - FOR PROFIT AD Sites ..
They will do Everything possible to get as much people they can to make more $$$$$$
~~~
Anyways
Here is REAL DEAL Insider
Story
http://youfo.blogspot.com/2008/06/in-league-with-ufo-by-lou-baldin-in.html
Forum
http://sleeperlou.proboards55.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=1
Forum that clipped many of his threads to one large thingy
http://lucianarchy.proboards21.com/index.cgi?board=johnlear&action=display&thread=4234
Have Fun Reading .. this is the good stuff
:wub2:
seekur3
10-23-2008, 07:50 PM
Can't believe I actually read thru 7 pages of the hidden hand post. Nothing new that I hadn't read or heard before except for the justification of the Negative Harvest. That concept & the quote, "The less you know about the Game, and the less you remember that you're a player, the more "senseless" living becomes." strike me as disinfo-info. There's alot of ambiguity in those 2 ideas.
Hypnotize
10-23-2008, 07:53 PM
it's obvious that ATS is a gov't run site so im not suprized to see a supposed "insider" spill a bunch of info that already been around for a while. the only dinference between his info and most others is that he says that these "elite families" are doing all this horrable stuff slavery, murder, war, ect for the good of mankind. sounds to me that the ptb are trying to get people to think that these families are for eveyones own good. he says that they are negative but by being negative their really being posative. in that case hitler must be a saint!
ctophil
10-23-2008, 07:58 PM
They will do Everything possible to get as much people they can to make more $$$$$$
Have you guys ever noticed that the U.S. Dollar symbol ($) looks like a snake on a pole, kinda like the medical symbol? Hmmm....the snake, the old serpent. I wonder if there is any correlation to these "reptilians" and following the old serpent...uhh I mean Satan. Ok, don't give me that Moses story about people seeing a snake on a pole and getting healed. This whole situation about the snake on a pole is a lot deeper than an old tradition passed down the ages from Moses' time. It's all about Satanic (ok, ok Luciferian too all the same thing in my opinion. Don't tell me it's different.) worship.
My advice, don't listen to this "insider." There are some false information in it, designed to deceive you. Just a warning.
-Phillip
U guys want a Real Deep Insider?
Here is a Real Deal one .. not that ATS / GLP Garbage
ATS + GLP - FOR PROFIT AD Sites ..
They will do Everything possible to get as much people they can to make more $$$$$$
~~~
Anyways
Here is REAL DEAL Insider
Story
http://youfo.blogspot.com/2008/06/in-league-with-ufo-by-lou-baldin-in.html
Forum
http://sleeperlou.proboards55.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=1
Forum that clipped many of his threads to one large thingy
http://lucianarchy.proboards21.com/index.cgi?board=johnlear&action=display&thread=4234
Have Fun Reading .. this is the good stuff
:wub2:
Oh yeah, that sleeper thread started on, guess where?
ATS.
But thanks for the links i will read up on it, never had the courage reading up the 300+ pages on the original site.
My advice, don't listen to this "insider." There are some false information in it, designed to deceive you. Just a warning.
-Phillip
Can you point to some of the false pieces of information please? Are you 100% sure that you are not holding on to your own deceptions that are being thaught to you now or have been teached in the past? Did it come from within you or has it been told to you by someone else? The mind is indeed a easy thing to decieve so please take a minute to make sure that you are not the one being decieved by pre-programmed dogma's. Not saying you are but i'm asking it myself pretty much every day and hope i am the wiser for it.
Magii
10-23-2008, 08:09 PM
Oh yeah, that sleeper thread started on, guess where?
ATS.
But thanks for the links i will read up on it, never had the courage reading up the 300+ pages on the original site.
Thats true - but he moved off of ATS -
And the comment I make about ATS - its purely on a business PoV ( point of view ) ... that site is full of massive amounts of ads.. they are making tons of money off it .. whoever runs it .. no doubt .. just like GLP ..
This isnt to say there isnt some really good Posts on ATS / GLP -
U will have people coming on time from time sharing / linking to some interesting topics ..
Thats true - but he moved off of ATS -
And the comment I make about ATS - its purely on a business PoV ( point of view ) ... that site is full of massive amounts of ads.. they are making tons of money off it .. whoever runs it .. no doubt .. just like GLP ..
This isnt to say there isnt some really good Posts on ATS / GLP -
U will have people coming on time from time sharing / linking to some interesting topics ..
When you log in 90% of the ads are gone so it is your own choice, like everything eventually is. And this could be one of those interesting topics, seeing the stars on this thread this is one of em for a lot of people.
And there is nothing wrong with making money to keep yourself independant (they lost advertisers because of the topics there and the only topics that are out of bounds are ones that contain illigal substances btw)
Messageboards are very hard to keep in control by the way so even if it is a CIA front they cannot cover up good info because it would kill the site.
But let's keep on the topic at hand, the posts of that guy, and not let ourselves be derailed by the old ATS is a disninfo/ATS front site discussion.
ctophil
10-23-2008, 08:32 PM
Can you point to some of the false pieces of information please? Are you 100% sure that you are not holding on to your own deceptions that are being thaught to you now or have been teached in the past? Did it come from within you or has it been told to you by someone else? The mind is indeed a easy thing to decieve so please take a minute to make sure that you are not the one being decieved by pre-programmed dogma's. Not saying you are but i'm asking it myself pretty much every day and hope i am the wiser for it.
He claims that he is from the "bloodline." You should not rely on anybody who are in the elite (especially the elite, but rely on no one). They are very deceptive and ONLY serve their own purpose. DO NOT listen to their words of love and peace. Their version of "love and peace" is via their own slogan, "Through chaos comes order." Test ALL spirits and never be swayed by deceptive words. Rely only on the Almighty Father, which is in Heaven!!
-Phillip
arcora
10-23-2008, 08:35 PM
Good afternoon prisoners. This is one of your guards speaking.
As you know, the warden requires that every so often we tell you how to escape. So, if you want to leave, just....
Hogwash.
He claims that he is from the "bloodline." You should not rely on anybody who are in the elite (especially the elite, but rely on no one). They are very deceptive and ONLY serve their own purpose. DO NOT listen to their words of love and peace. Their version of "love and peace" is via their own slogan, "Through chaos comes order." Test ALL spirits and never be swayed by deceptive words. Rely only on the Almighty Father, which is in Heaven!!
-Phillip
Ah, thanks for the clarification and i think i know where you are coming from. Sorry to say (not for me though, i will suffer for it if i am wrong in my beliefs and accept any consequenses) i am 'a lost sheep' and will absorb any information whatever source it comes from and discover for myself if the posted words have truth in them or not. I hate dogma's in whatever form they come even if thay exist for my own good.
arcora
10-23-2008, 08:56 PM
Ah, thanks for the clarification and i think i know where you are coming from. Sorry to say (not for me though, i will suffer for it if i am wrong in my beliefs and accept any consequenses) i am 'a lost sheep' and will absorb any information whatever source it comes from and discover for myself if the posted words have truth in them or not. I hate dogma's in whatever form they come even if thay exist for my own good.
This is what happens when one absorbs information from any source it comes from.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRIyjXcrmNI
Jenny
10-23-2008, 08:57 PM
This is what happens when one absorbs information from any source it comes from.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRIyjXcrmNI
And there is not one human being who can resist that.
Not even me Arcora.
:original:
Knightbk
10-23-2008, 09:01 PM
More **** for the sheeples to believe in.
Wake up people. This isn't real.
We are in a cyclical downturn. It isn't the end of the world.
Sick of fear? Then stop scaring yourselves with this stupid ****. God.
This is what happens when one absorbs information from any source it comes from.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRIyjXcrmNI
Nice one! Although i'm one of the few in my surroundings that are not pulled in to the hypes of advertising, coca cola zero? Never drank it and never will, it's just coca cola light in another bottle feeding us the same cancerous substances. My discernmental (is that a word? It should be!) capabilities are pretty good, so not to scared about that one.
Try and create a detached interest in everything and you shall not be fooled on the moments it counts. I won't reply on a Nigerian letter that promises me 100 gazillion dollars btw.
More **** for the sheeples to believe in.
Wake up people. This isn't real.
We are in a cyclical downturn. It isn't the end of the world.
Sick of fear? Then stop scaring yourselves with this stupid ****. God.
If you read it carefully you could read there is nothing at all to be afraid of. The ones trying to destroy our soul-energy needs the people to be scared withless for it to work and what he is saying is counterproductive for the said goal.
Fredkc
10-23-2008, 11:20 PM
ok, Veni Vidi, took some notes.
Now, it was really my first day reading over at the ATS forum, so I don't have a feel, or a sense of what the place is like.
First thing that struck me was this li'l bit. and I have only read of this in two places. See what ya think:
@ ATS:
There will be dramatic changes to your climate and weather conditions over the next few years, as the time of the Great Harvest approaches. You will see windspeeds surpassing 300 miles per hour at times. There will be raging tsunamis and widespread devastation; and a solar emission in late 2009 early 2010 that will cause major melting of the ice caps, and subsequent drastic rise in sea levels, leaving many (international) metropolitan areas underwater.And then there is....
@ Camelot, G. Green interview:
KC: But, there’s going to be like solar flares, it’s...
GG: Solar flares - that’s just energy coming out. Remember the sun works on this, it’s putting out frequency of light. When the light hits something, the atoms start to vibrate which creates the heat.
KC: Right.
GG: Doesn’t create it at the sun.
KC: But, what I’m talking about is that what they’ve been talking about coming, to hit this, you know, to hit the Earth, and so on, are the solar flares that are going to make life very uncomfortable and...
GG: That’s part of it. That’s the reason why we start looking at the underground facilities or something close to that.
GG: [Shows photographs of domes.] Now you have something that - the structure will be able to withstand 340 mph winds that are coming... that will be coming to us. This structure here, you can heat it with about ten hundred-watt light bulbs. So, you don't have any energy use.
The biggest problem with these units, at this minute, is that since the air is basically stagnated, you have to have circulating of the air and then the humidity's always at least 50%. So you have to address that, but we have a lot ways to cure all that problem. Meanwhile, it doesn't take anything to heat them. They'll withstand anything. The only thing that concerns me is that a lot of stuff, nothing's going to withstand the winds that are going to be coming down to us very shortly.
GG: It’s not, so they, they’ve built, yeah, they got underground facilities, so, let’s laugh about it. We have the information, we’re going to have to be, like the picture I showed you, somewhat above ground in the side of the hill or something so you have access. You’re going to have to build greenhouses in order offset these things and the greenhouses are going to be designed in a way to withstand these winds that are going to be created by all of this - the changes that’s happening. I mean, we’re going to have, I mean Mount Baldy in California, you know where that’s at...
KC: Yeah.
GG: Yeah, 212 mph winds for a week up there at the top. Same thing at both poles. Well, we got, now we got what, hurricanes hitting 250 and 300 mph, wiping out all over the - we don’t know where it’s going to be safe. I do know because of the mountain ranges where I am right now and I ask about where is safe. For my job, I could have went to Four Corners, I looked at all of that.The rest of the guy's stuff I saved off to a file to look at later.
Being a jaded old fart, whose been to 3 too many seances, I can't get too excited. With just that to look at, I can't yet sound the source of his information, and I won't judge his heart. so Quien Sabe?
Hi all,
Seems these days most anything outside of out-of-this-world seems to originate from ATS, pitty. Under Simon Gray it used to be a greatly respected place to dwell.. now what? There are far more sincere and gratifying places to be online and seems ATS is doing whatever it can to bring back those who are in search for answers after leaving an online dictatorship. Many years but I still remember that Septicoverlord dude.
RSF
Magamud
10-24-2008, 12:21 AM
It reminded me of the RA material years ago. Sounds good to me from what i can feel of other densities. Im so stuck in fighting all the tyranny around me that im loosing my ability to think on multidimensional dramas. Is this spiritual heirarchy stuff to redirect me from taking action in this physical world, stopping tyranny in my community? Will I become just a hatefull, spitefull person without thinking and believing in spiritual concepts? Whew, im trying to balance both right now. Im in ebb and flow right now but im being conservative with all this harvest information. :sweatdrop:
GregorArturo
10-24-2008, 12:28 AM
Now what's interesting is on ATS the conversation seems to focus much more on a hoaxer when it comes to the negative comments. On Camelot, it focuses more on that it's info to deceive us, implying from the best I can guess that it's the real deal. Also, what's interesting, no one has been talking about his style of writing on Camelot (which is very eloquently written IMO). I recommend that people not only as the facts or 'truths' within the conversation but the whole context of the moment at hand. There's more underlying pyschology to it, and I really think Hidden Hand summed it up actually perfectly with what's happening with this discussion: It is a catalyst.
And for that reason alone, whether the information be true or not, one should analyze this situation so the catalyst can benefit you in a positive way. Things happen for a reason. The question is if you are willing to recognize it.
Quarian
10-24-2008, 03:08 AM
Much of this rings true to me, but I'm a cynic. As I read H-H's posts, I am reminded of the writing styles of two people: "John Titor" and.... (ducking).... David Wilcock. Anyone else note the number of shout-outs he makes to "Ra"?
Midnight Oil
10-24-2008, 07:02 AM
U guys want a Real Deep Insider?
Here is a Real Deal one .. not that ATS / GLP Garbage
ATS + GLP - FOR PROFIT AD Sites ..
They will do Everything possible to get as much people they can to make more $$$$$$
~~~
Anyways
Here is REAL DEAL Insider
Story
http://youfo.blogspot.com/2008/06/in-league-with-ufo-by-lou-baldin-in.html
Forum
http://sleeperlou.proboards55.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=1
Forum that clipped many of his threads to one large thingy
http://lucianarchy.proboards21.com/index.cgi?board=johnlear&action=display&thread=4234
Have Fun Reading .. this is the good stuff
:wub2:
OK...I've been reading this Sleeper guy from the beginning, and have come to couple of conclusions and ideas about him ,which are:
1- Guy is telling honestly the truth altough some parts are hard to swallow,
2- Guy is suffering from a severe Schizophrenia, if thats the case I feel sorry for Mr. Lear..:mfr_lol:
There you have it, these are my two ideas about him, which I still can not decide on which one to go.:sweatdrop:
Among some things that bugs me is; when he tries to put ET's on top of everything, resulting an insult of god created human beings.:mad3:
Guess everyone has to read the guy since most of what he says fits with the peoples experiences who log on here, I suppose.(including myself)
Choice is yours....:smoke:
Midnight Oil
10-24-2008, 08:00 AM
Oh yeah...if this Hidden_hand guy is the real deal, than we'll have to rise statues of David Icke all over the world to honor the poor guy...:)
Much of this rings true to me, but I'm a cynic. As I read H-H's posts, I am reminded of the writing styles of two people: "John Titor" and.... (ducking).... David Wilcock. Anyone else note the number of shout-outs he makes to "Ra"?
Jup, he made me look for the books online and am reading them now. Good stuff!
dayzero
10-24-2008, 10:10 AM
Such food for thought....So many interesing points.....BUT
"There were Ruling-Bloodlines long before your 'Yahweh' and his 'Christianity' arrived on this planet."
hmmm.
So why mention Yaweh? A bit recent in the timeline isn't it?......as if he's only aiming for Christians.
I don't think he's what he says he is, but he's a player.
Anyone read Paradise Lost? I skimmed it.
munkey
10-24-2008, 10:22 AM
@ ATS:
There will be dramatic changes to your climate and weather conditions over the next few years, as the time of the Great Harvest approaches. You will see windspeeds surpassing 300 miles per hour at times. There will be raging tsunamis and widespread devastation; and a solar emission in late 2009 early 2010 that will cause major melting of the ice caps, and subsequent drastic rise in sea levels, leaving many (international) metropolitan areas underwater.
From my understanding, if you fill up a glass of water and place ice in it until it almost over flows, when the ice melts, the water doesn't spill out.
even if the poles melted it would not cause the water to rise dramatically.
the change in air temperature would cause the rise of the sea level :wink2:
dayzero
10-24-2008, 11:30 AM
GregorArturo, i think you have it sir, and very eloquently put yourself!
The entire post is pushing some very interesting buttons.
Some thoughts.......
-There is a wild disconnect between the positive aspects and the passages about Yaweh and Christianity, Adam & Eve etc. I'm still thinking on it, but what's the big deal with this timeframe? What about the more ancient cosmonogies?
- Following on form that, how can our creators be so different, if the planetary Holon is as he explains it to be. Doesn't quite add up.
No mention of Galactic need for balance either.
-Also this bad Dimension where they take the negative 95%, well there seems an awful lot of justification for that in the text. the New Paradigm warnings about attempts to polarise the whole system come to mind. Perhaps he doth protest too much?
- Finally, the premise on which the communications is based is that;
<"Every so often, as per the directives of the Law of our Creator, a brief window of opportunity opens, whereby a select handful of our Family are required to make communication with our subjects, and offer you the chance to ask us any questions you would like answered.
I am double-bound in this duty. It is required of me by The Law of our Creator to offer this opportunity to you at this time, though I am also bound by the Law of (planetary) Free Will and by Family Oaths, that there is only so much I am able to say.">
I'd have thought that the authority would come not from his [different] creator, but from the Council of Elders whom he mentions later.
Notice the phrase 'Window of Opportunity' [the thread name of the OP], and the mention of that same phrase in the last passages in Messages For The GC.
In my dreams last night there was an awful lot of movement from within what i saw as ancient physical structures that stretched into the ground as well as on the surface. I woke up, as usual these days, at 4 am, then went straight back to what was goin on in the dreams, which is rare for me. That's the only way I can put it. Like mechanisms triggering. Everywhere.
I woke up elated by the way.
Wishing you all a pleasant day!
KathyT
10-24-2008, 05:00 PM
I have placed the entire collated topic/messages from Hidden_Hand here:
http://home.comcast.net/~readingnews/Hidden_Hand.html
(Quote from within message: “Well, if you're game for an "assignment", or maybe someone else if you haven't the time, I would be happy for someone to collate this topic (minus the "interruptions") so that the message appears with just the actual flow of questions and answers, and post it there in one piece, if you so desire. As I mentioned before, I chose ATS as I was reliably informed that it is one of the forums with a higher rate of intelligence and reasoning amongst it's members. On the whole, from my experience here, I would tend to agree.
Though if you think it would be of value to Camelot, by all means you are most welcome to spread this message. The more people it can reach, the better.” )
Window of Opportunity
“Topic started on 18-10-2008 @ 09:05 PM by Hidden-Hand
I am a generational member of a Ruling Bloodline Family.
Every so often, as per the directives of the Law of our Creator, a brief window of opportunity opens, whereby a select handful of our Family are required to make communication with our subjects, and offer you the chance to ask us any questions you would like answered.
I am double-bound in this duty. It is required of me by The Law of our Creator to offer this opportunity to you at this time, though I am also bound by the Law of (planetary) Free Will and by Family Oaths, that there is only so much I am able to say.”
Source: http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread402958/pg1
ctophil
10-24-2008, 06:00 PM
This is what the "hidden hand" said on ATS:
"Yahweh is 'a' Creator, not 'The' One Infinite Creator. There are other and Higher 'gods' than him."
Higher 'gods' who are more 'powerful' than Yahweh, eh? Hehe. :) Like who, Satan? Yeah sure....Satan must of created him then. Give me a break! Father Yahweh created Satan (formerly Lucifer) and "hidden hand" himself. So don't tell me my Father is not the ONLY Creator!!
Anyways, enough of my ranting, but 'hidden hand' is a joke, a pawn of the devil, and a peon in the elite group. Listen to him if you are follower of darkness and evil.
-Phillip
GregorArturo
10-24-2008, 06:21 PM
GregorArturo, i think you have it sir, and very eloquently put yourself!
Thank you DayZero! Must appreciated. Also, thank you for sharing your points about the discussion.
This is what the "hidden hand" said on ATS:
"Yahweh is 'a' Creator, not 'The' One Infinite Creator. There are other and Higher 'gods' than him."
Higher 'gods' who is more 'powerful' than Yahweh, eh? Hehe. :) Like who, Satan? Yeah sure....Satan must of created him then. Give me a break! Father Yahweh created Satan (formerly Lucifer) and "hidden hand" himself. So don't tell me my Father is not the ONLY Creator!!
Anyways, enough of my ranting, but 'hidden hand' is a joke, a pawn of the devil, and a peon in the elite group. Listen to him if you are follower of darkness and evil.
-Phillip
If you are right and the LORD is who i think you say it is i'd rather follow a Satan that indulges me than follow a God that prohibits me in my journey to knowledge and understanding.
Thats just me and like i previously stated i am prepared to suffer the consequences but i truly believe that a hunger for logical and non contradictory knowledge is the way to go instead of following preformed statements from whatever holy book they originate.
ctophil
10-24-2008, 06:58 PM
If you are right and the LORD is who i think you say it is i'd rather follow a Satan that indulges me than follow a God that prohibits me in my journey to knowledge and understanding.
Thats just me and like i previously stated i am prepared to suffer the consequences but i truly believe that a hunger for logical and non contradictory knowledge is the way to go instead of following preformed statements from whatever holy book they originate.
Actually, you and I are currently created a little below Angels at this point. However, when you follow the True Path (Way of the Master Yahushua, i.e. first begotten Son of Yahweh), then you will eventually ascend to beyond "knowledge and understanding," just like Yahushua did. By then, you think Satan's knowledge is boring and a bummer. Because Yahushua is now higher than Satan who used to be...I hate to admit this...but a very powerful Angel. Satan used to be a Cherubim and an Archangel all rolled up in one, which is pretty much the guardian of the Great Throne in Heaven (Yahweh's throne). Yes, even higher than Archangel Michael at the time. Yahushua currently has all the authority and power of Heaven and Earth. But guess what? Yahweh is the Father of all!!
Before you contemplate all of this (ascension and stuff), you must humble yourself before Yahweh as a tender child. Keep those words in mind for the rest of your life.
-Phillip
lennonmccartney
10-24-2008, 07:20 PM
That was very interesting to read so far, interesting what he ha to say about no freedom for humans and reincarnation.
GregorArturo
10-24-2008, 07:23 PM
Philip, this isn't the first time I've seen you "preach" on this forum, and I can confidently say that is unacceptable. Please refrain from the current context in which you're sharing knowledge and present it in a different fashion. You are completely welcome to share your views on Yahweh or any topic, but your tone in that you are right and that this is the way it is, is yes, unacceptable in this type of community/forum. We are about being open minded, and discovering knowledge on an individual basis.
However, thank you for sharing your knowledge, regardless of context, and I hope you continute to share your views. Namaste.
dayzero
10-24-2008, 08:41 PM
Yeah, stop reading from that big old scroll you have there phillip!
ctophil
10-24-2008, 08:52 PM
Yeah, stop reading from that big old scroll you have there phillip!
Hehe. :) The 'big old scroll' is Yahweh's laws and commandments. Laws that are binding in the Kingdom of Heaven, which will be ruling this world after a little while longer. The rule of the Satanic Kingdom is coming to a close soon. They know it. Just ask them. :wink2:
As long as I continue to post in this forum, I will share with you the knowledge and mysteries (most of the scriptures' mysteries have been unsealed in these last days) of my Father's Kingdom. As I said in my other posts, I speak and do things with my Father's will. I speak and write things in the Name of Father Yahweh and my Master Yahushua. So, it will always sound like I'm "preaching." However, I am only telling you the Truth of the Kingdom, but you may not believe me. Some people don't even believe that good and evil exist, or that even Satan exist (and he is real folks), much less believe the words that I write. Blessings to those who trust and follow my Father, which is in Heaven.
-Phillip
GregorArturo
10-24-2008, 09:05 PM
Now what about trusting and following thyself? What about sharing the secrets and mysteries of OUR Kingdom? Who says these beliefs are justified over others? You are preaching my friend, and doing a great job of failing to bring about your message. To do so, you must justify your message, or at least facilitate one's curiousity to pursue that justification for themself. And at that moment, the only thing you are facilitating for me is my understanding of how frustrating it is to discuss anything with a close minded individual.
The only fundamental truths of this existence upon this Earth in which one can honestly rationalize are logic, beauty, and their own intrinsic thoughts. If someone never shared those scriptures with you, could you rationalize that information within your own being? Think about that.
arcora
10-24-2008, 09:21 PM
I don't think Phil's preaching any more than those who insist on the whole co-creator stuff. If fact, just yesterday I saw a long preachy post stickied just because it was full of (ugh)we're all god(/ugh) stuff.
Now we have one of our reptillian captors speaking on an internet forum and some here are acting like it's the new Gospel of the ages.
Consider the source.
GregorArturo
10-24-2008, 09:27 PM
I don't think Phil's preaching any more than those who insist on the whole co-creator stuff. If fact, just yesterday I saw a long preachy post stickied just because it was full of (ugh)we're all god(/ugh) stuff.
Now we have one of our reptillian captors speaking on an internet forum and some here are acting like it's the new Gospel of the ages.
Consider the source.
Arcora, there will always be a mix of different people where ever you go. Some people will take information it into consideration (IMO, the best option), some will strictly dismiss it as a hoax, others will say it's disinfo to deceive us, and others will consider the the new Gospel of the ages.
Regardless, it is your own inherent decision that matters most and not that of others, and to then respect that decision of another. That is my piece against Philip, because any form of preaching in that their words are inherently right, is disrespecting another one's belief and values.
arcora
10-24-2008, 09:37 PM
What if humbling oneself in order to ascend turns out to be one of the most important truth's ever to be spoken in this forum?
ctophil
10-24-2008, 09:49 PM
That is my piece against Philip, because any form of preaching in that their words are inherently right, is disrespecting another one's belief and values.
Yahweh is not a respecter of persons so neither am I. We are not here to convince people of anything. So I am not asking you to respect my "beliefs or values" either. As I said time and again, we are here to tell you the Truth directly from Yahweh, for I am filled with the power of my Father's Spirit. Would you not rather listen to a Holy and Just Heavenly Father than some guy who claims he is from the bloodline called "hidden hand," whose father is called the "Father of Lies?"
Note: Why did I use "We" in this paragraph above? I am talking about the Kingdom of Heaven within me. We are a family of Yahweh.
-Phillip
GregorArturo
10-24-2008, 09:56 PM
Then I would say this conversation is a catalyst for that realization. However, i would have to say that the catalyst is offering a different message, whatever that may be. In terms of my gut reaction to such a "philosophical notion" if it be true or not (even though it appears that it's being used only as an example to promote though, in which it most certainly has in a successful manner), is that it doesn't seem to fit my intrepretation of reality, so I would be naturally inclined to not follow through with further understanding/acceptance of the notion, but still take it into consideration, if that makes any sense.
P.S. I like your thinking Arcora :-p
What if humbling oneself in order to ascend turns out to be one of the most important truth's ever to be spoken in this forum?
'What if' is applicable to any possiblity, even yours. 'What if' we are really self responsible and able to shape our future in ways that few people really understand? What if you are wrong in your beliefs and in that deceptive path are unwittingly serving the forces your claim to oppose? What if we could fly if we flap our hands? What if what if what if? What if tends to be an empty beginning to a hypothetical situation.
bodzoyfa
10-24-2008, 09:58 PM
And now it seems we are all preaching to each other on this thread...
Lets get back to the MANY ideas that we can extrapolate and discuss by "Insider".
GregorArturo, you're totally right on IMO. This world around us IS a catalyst. A catalyst for making a decision...be it "right" or "wrong", "good" or "evil". This point seems to be undeniable. We all make decisions all day everyday. Therefore, whether what "Insider" says specifically about himself/herself is true or not, is not his message ultimately about soul evolution? And is that not why we are here on this forum in the first place?
If we are conscious enough to know that we are not conscious enough to fathom what Infinite Creator is, then it seems that our opinions about right and wrong, and good and evil are purely speculatory. That is to say, stating one's belief as "right" and as "the only way" is the height of arrogance and ignorance.
And now it seems we are all preaching to each other on this thread...
Lets get back to the MANY ideas that we can extrapolate and discuss by "Insider".
You are right, luckily we will have all the time in the world to discern the messages themself but i agree that we are getting sidetracked into an old discussion without end.
GregorArturo
10-24-2008, 10:15 PM
Yahweh is not a respecter of persons so neither am I.
That is one of the saddest things I have heard said so far on this forum. Hopefully, I can, or more correctly, all of us can realize something out of such a statement.
That is one of the saddest things I have heard said so far on this forum. Hopefully, I can, or more correctly, all of us can realize something out of such a statement.
:thumb_yello: It does connect with some stuff that the OP of the other topic has been saying to be honest.
So based on the 2012 scenario, all of us have got three roads opening for us.
One leads to the negative 4th dimension with the Insider's mob, the other leads to the positive 4th dimension for those of us that have 51% of good inside us, and the other is a new 3rd dimension planet where we have to incarnate over and over until we evolve.
Where do all the animals go, please answer.:original:
IronWoman
10-25-2008, 03:44 AM
great question Tuza! i often wonder the same thing. i mean animals have souls also..! so what is their fate?
If those roads are right and only people with a 51% pass mark get to go to 4th density I really think we are in for a big surprise if we all find out who went to that one. A big surprise. Maybe not necessarily the people we thought would go there straight off, IMO.
Starlah
10-25-2008, 04:16 AM
This doesn't make sense to me- if we're just sheep in their eyes why do they give a hoot about making communication with us and answering questions? If they think little of us, why patronize us like this?? I don't know about this...
Every so often, as per the directives of the Law of our Creator, a brief window of opportunity opens, whereby a select handful of our Family are required to make communication with our subjects, and offer you the chance to ask us any questions you would like answered.
Isn't this paragraph enough to tell most of You on this Thread that your being led up the Garden Path by this so-called Deep Insider...even if he/she is a deep insider he/she is quite openly announcing that your all "Subjects" privy only to the information if select members of the Family wish to speak to you about it!
Get wise to this Dribble! This !!??! is the Devil who doesn't know that He is the Devil and plays the role of GOD!!
Starlah
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Kick at the Darkness until it bleeds Daylight!...Bruce Cockburn
dayzero
10-25-2008, 07:46 AM
"We are humans becoming. Help us to become."
"I am a human becoming. Help me to become."
"They are a human becoming. Help them to become."
This is the humility we need, please PLEASE [!] use this prayer as much as you need to.
And yeah, what about the animals?
On the new earth, it's one of my co-creative vision-type wish-list things that my cat can both fly and talk.
Then we can go hunting in the sky [cause i'll be flying too] and she can tell me all about it as we go.
I'd hoped for more of a meaty discussion on this thread. Ho hum.
Sanat
10-25-2008, 11:08 AM
{This post was merged in from Project Avalon General Discussion by Anchor}
This just happened on the "Above Top Secret" forum just some days ago. I will start with a quote from the session in which Project Camelot is adressed directly:
“Hidden_Hand: I've enjoyed reading your posts if for nothing then the unusual ( for ATS "whistleblowers" anyway ) fact that it isn't bullet holed with bad writing, grammer and typos. May I respectfully recomend that you choose another venue next time? ( I like ProjectCamelot myself ). In anycase I'm still reading with an open mind but sceptical mind.”
Thank you. We are aware of Project Camelot. They are doing some remarkable work. Though I was not aware they also have a forum, if that's what you are suggesting? Not really my area usually, dealing with the internet. In fact I rarely have time to even venture onto it. I have quite enjoyed this time of relating to others over "cyber-space".
Well, if you're game for an "assignment", or maybe someone else if you haven't the time, I would be happy for someone to collate this topic (minus the "interruptions") so that the message appears with just the actual flow of questions and answers, and post it there in one piece, if you so desire. As I mentioned before, I chose ATS as I was reliably informed that it is one of the forums with a higher rate of intelligence and reasoning amongst it's members. On the whole, from my experience here, I would tend to agree.
Though if you think it would be of value to Camelot, by all means you are most welcome to spread this message. The more people it can reach, the better.
Anyone familiar the incident of the elite family insider who answered questions in a profound way on a forum some years ago? If not, it can be downloaded here: http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/3936362/The_Revelations_of_an_Elite_family_Insider_(2005)_ A_MUST_READ___
This new revelation comes from a person that is even higher up and holds knowledge that is much more detailed and profound. The bigger picture of things is revealed in a major way. He eleborates on 2012 and the "Great Harvest" in detail. Anyway, I don't know if I should post the whole thing in here because it is so large. I believe a member of this forum named KathyT (http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/member.php?u=3786) was the first to bring this news into the forum (see this post (http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/showpost.php?p=60811&postcount=410)). She has also collected the whole thread into one website. This can be found here:
http://home.comcast.net/~readingnews/Hidden_Hand.html
Average Joe
10-25-2008, 11:39 AM
I feel like I've just wasted 3 hours of my life reading some of that ****.
Life is only short, I haven't got hours to waste.
Nothing is going to happen in 2012, it will be business as usual. All one needs to do is to be a positive nice person, and you'll get your reward.
I'm not religious but read the 10 commandments and you can't go far wrong....it is in fact common sense.
Why we need to be spinning all of these complicated yarns is beyond me.
Anchor
10-25-2008, 11:49 AM
That is all I have time for at present. I have a Sacrifice I must attend now.
No, not really.
I am glad to see our overlords have a wicked sense of humour.
A..
Average Joe
10-25-2008, 11:56 AM
How can somebody you don't even know who it is be your overlord or controller? Thats whats always got me.
If we are not aware of them, then they have no power.
sunnyrap
10-25-2008, 04:09 PM
One simple rule of thumb I've learned is that if hearing/seeing it gives you that sick, repulsed, bad feeling--it is not GOoD... leave it alone. Don't fight it/argue with it/try to fix it or it will suck you in (i.e., 'resist ye not evil'). Pray for/see his/her/it as already healing.
This 'entity' gave me tha ol' bad feeling. I felt no need or desire to question. I prayed/saw the entitity as having set his/her foot on the path to connection to all as one.
You do have to know and be aware if someone/thing is trying to inject negativity-destruction-separation into your reality, mostly so that you can send it the correct energy: healing. Resisting it is giving it power, following it is definitely giving it power. If all who witnessed this being prayed for it, we could perhaps lessen the ranks of the controller-destroyers. I believe that's where our whistleblowers come from, just as Kerry suggested.
GregorArturo
10-25-2008, 07:25 PM
So based on the 2012 scenario, all of us have got three roads opening for us.
One leads to the negative 4th dimension with the Insider's mob, the other leads to the positive 4th dimension for those of us that have 51% of good inside us, and the other is a new 3rd dimension planet where we have to incarnate over and over until we evolve.
Where do all the animals go, please answer.:original:
I have really been pondering this myself. Here's my best guess: It seems that all planets start out as 1st density planets, it would make the most sense. Ra had a few inconsistencies in his material, mainly do with the densities. There's an indiscretion I noticed in reference to the Orions group and the number of 6th density beings. Hidden Hand also commented on Orions group too, stating that they are only of 4th density negative, and didn't reference any other densities belonging to the group. Another (with Ra) is that not all, but most planets are inhabited in the universe (as there is some form of density), but there are 1st density only planets. It would make much more sense that ALL planets are 1st density or greater. Hidden Hand also stated that the Ra Material was about 85%-90% correct, and explained how that could also be so which resonates as a very logical thing within me.
So let's analyze this idea of density evolution from what we can gather and speculate from. All planets seem to start out as 1st density planets. When they evolve to a 2nd density planet (in which mainstream science calls 'life' or 'cellular organisms'). 1st density beings are still present upon the planet (ie crystals and water). When the planet evolves into a 3rd density planet, out of 2nd density beings, both 2nd density and 1st density beings are still present.
Now here's the interesting part to contemplate is the gray area we all seem to be pondering around December 21st, 2012 (if it's specifically that date or not). I believe Hidden Hand even mentioned there's dimensions in which Earth still has dinosaurs. Well what if there is an Earth that still has great apes and no man (and toss aside genetic manipulation/alien breeding for a second to make this less confusing)? What could of happened is the world split into two Earthly realms during the time of say that harvest, one in which humans came forth in the 3rd density, and another in which the great apes remained in 2nd density. I am not sure if polarity came into the effect during the 2nd density harvest in which we recognize it as now for maybe even the concept of polarity evolves.
Anyways, point being is that all the densities I feel should remain as they do now would seem to be the most logical analysis. The great apes seemed to of disappeared as we know it (big foot/yeti is another story, and I have to lean toward Ra's version of it). So in that analysis, 3rd density humans might have to disappear to. It's all very confusing yes. Much pondering is needed to get anywhere without any further information.
IMO, there will be 2nd density life forms. It would make the most sense. With all this information, as Hidden Hand, what resonate best with you tends to be the correct course of action. I also like thrown in the idea of common sense with the notion of mathematics is perfect, our reality is based off mathematics, so our reality must inherently be perfect.
I also want to throw in my two cents in that the notion of our world splitting into three separate entities doesn't resonate too well with me, and borders on the edge of some untouched quantum physics.
I feel like I've just wasted 3 hours of my life reading some of that ****.
Life is only short, I haven't got hours to waste.
Nothing is going to happen in 2012, it will be business as usual. All one needs to do is to be a positive nice person, and you'll get your reward.
I'm not religious but read the 10 commandments and you can't go far wrong....it is in fact common sense.
Why we need to be spinning all of these complicated yarns is beyond me.
Average Joe, you sure do sound like the average joe. I recommend you do some more reading outside those commandments of yours. I for myself would rather live by a positive notion (Love thyself), than a negative one (Thou shalt not...). Hell, negative and wrong are synonymous with each other.
How can somebody you don't even know who it is be your overlord or controller? Thats whats always got me.
If we are not aware of them, then they have no power.
You're controller is yourself my friend. :wink2:
CosmicFever
10-26-2008, 09:38 AM
I took time to read Hidden Hand's entire post. Took a few hours but I read every word. Some of it I read twice, three times. Perhaps we should begin a thread for those among us who would like to discuss the powerful message it conveyed in a more postive manner. Please don't get me wrong. Everyone is certainly free to post their opinions regarding this subject matter. It just appears to me that this thread has tons of negativity. There are those of us that would like to share our views with the absence of hearing a Sunday sermon. Before you attack me with "you don't know squat" about the bible, god, jesus, etc. I need to say that I can stand with anyone on this thread and intelligently discuss the contents of "god's word." In fact I would go as far as saying that some could gleem a better understanding of "god's word" if they opened up their closed mind. Although it's been filtered, changed, edited it remains an abundant source of information. How do I know this? I was raised in the Baptist church and attended a religious based learning institution. So, mods what do think? Should we start a positive "Hidden Hand" thread?
Namaste,
julie:original:
Should we start a positive "Hidden Hand" thread?
Namaste,
julie:original:
Not a mod but YES! :biggrin2: I've found some sources he/she suggested and that could be a nice starting point. Disecting the message and following up on the references and other tips. It would be great to go in depth.
JohnWdoe
10-26-2008, 10:46 AM
What a typical elite idiot... I would love to challenge the mindset they live in because frankly i will be their gavel...
They feel obliged to rule humanity and horde the power like sucker fishes well i feel humanity to be free and alive - not reincarnating and ruling, such a crappy way to rule people... What is with humans and reincarnation?? an Eastern concept of being stuck?? what wonderful Philosophy...
I wonder if this person is really real, anyone else think its weird leaving "evidence" in a place like ATS which is known to be tracked? very odd...
This divine will **** is yet again another set back in mans evolution (and they believe they are the ones to give it to us) its all a joke wrapped in dollar bills.
Come down to my level and lets have a talk Mr Elite, see how we are all one, if i was born into riches and a greedy national family i think i would have the desire to rule and change mankind to, but, who i am is from growing up with simply my Mother, i was taught at a young age to fight for my rights and live a modest caring life. They really need an ass kick back to reality as my mum would say.
CosmicFever
10-26-2008, 11:22 AM
Well, Jogy, why don't you start? What topic in the post would you suggest we begin with?
Namaste,
julie:original:
Sanat
10-26-2008, 11:59 AM
Did the insider not mention that he went to Rome to do something negative to balance out the positivity of his message? Here is what is going on in Rome as of today:
Huge anti-Berlusconi protest in Rome
Posted Sun Oct 26, 2008 9:02am AEDT
Hundreds of thousands of people have marched through Rome to protest against the right-wing government of Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi.
The demonstration was the biggest anti-government rally since Mr Berlusconi was returned to power in April.
Estimates of the exact numbers vary from the hundreds of thousands to the millions.
Either way, it was a substantial turn out for Italy's left of centre opposition, which is fed up with the first few months of Mr Berlusconi's new government.
Opposition leader Walter Veltroni, told the crowd that Italy was becoming more fascist under Mr Berlusconi.
The Prime Minister's policies against crime and illegal immigration especially have earned him high ratings in the polls.
But those measures, and others in education, have started to galvanise the opposition again.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/10/26/2401343.htm
Thought that would be a bit interesting. Wonder what he is doing there:original:.
When that is said I am all for a more positive thread on his message. But then we first need the cooperation of the Mods otherwise all the negative inclined people will attach themselves to the thread and suck it dry of any intelligence. If the Mods agree to keep the thread clean of meaningless "I don't believe that BS/****" or "I do believe this non-BS" posts it could be an interesting discussion. You cannot really have an interesting discussion with people who are not able to suspend their own judgement. In my opionion meaningless negativity/hostility is allowed to run way too free on this forum. If you need people to believe what you believe, know that you are a very, very long way from truth and integrity. It is not about WHAT beliefsystem you have, but more about the degree of rigidity of that beliefsystem...
CosmicFever
10-26-2008, 02:50 PM
The "terrorists" have been threatening Rome for awhile.
Al-Qaeda Linked Group Threatens to Hit Rome
Novinite Sofia News Agency
8 July 2005, Friday
An Al-Qaeda linked groups threatened to attack Rome to punish Italy for supporting the United States, a Web statement said. It also praised the bombings in London. The statement did not appear on Web sites normally used by Islamist militants loyal to al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden. "We warn Rome, the capital of infidels, that the lions of Jihad in Europe are ready to launch strong strikes against the collaborating government with the crusaders, the Americans, the enemies of God, the Prophet and Muslims," it said.
Namaste,
Julie:original:
KathyT
10-27-2008, 05:16 AM
In my own studies I have come to believe that our inner Earth is hollow, and inhabited by advanced beings. Some of you may recall earlier posts I did of Google Earth images of Antarctica where light may be shining outward from the South pole.
I’d like to point to two references given in Hidden_Hand’s messages in separate places, but more towards the end, where he/she says 1) Yes, the earth is hollow, and 2), that his bloodline family does NOT live on the surface. My conclusion, he/she lives in the inner hollow earth.
---------- (first reference)
“Is the Earth Hollow?”
Hold on, let me just check. Yes, definitely.
“If so, how does one gain access?”
I am not permitted to say.
------------ (second reference)
In our Power Lines, we have a similar structure, with Local and Regional groups etc, though most of us are living in entirely 'different' types of communities than you would understand. All I shall say is that we are not "surface dwellers".
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I have Hidden_Hand’s entire collated messages here:
http://home.comcast.net/~readingnews/Hidden_Hand.html
Yes I agree KathyT. When I read that these guys looked on billionaires as having pocket change compared to them, I then wondered - where on earth do they live then - I could not imagine where on earth they would live - now it makes sense - as you and he/she said inside earth.
Gosh, that stuff is so general it's almost invisible.
GaiaLove
12-02-2008, 06:47 PM
The full 80+ page thread is posted here http://2012info.ca/articles/?p=134 on a single page for easier visual digestion. Including questions posed to "Hidden Hand".
Orion Morris
12-02-2008, 06:50 PM
something very similar was posted on here once
THE eXchanger
12-02-2008, 07:40 PM
If we are not aware of them, then they have no power.
that is eXactly the problem
you are what you allow
on higher levels/even, if you are NOT consciously there yet,
you are there ... & here too
so, what is it, that you are allowing here/and, there ???
isotelesis
12-02-2008, 11:06 PM
The Rothschilds/Rockefellers aren't the ones we should be looking to blame, it is a systematic problem which deals with people who actually believe they are doing the right thing via Hegelian dialectics, this philosophy seems to be a misinterpretation of the ancient religion of the original Aryans (Zoroastrianism/Mithraism ~ Magi). It's obvious this putative insider is the product of a hybrized spiritual philosophy with no true depth, they are confused by their own untraced heritage. Working for the forces of Ahriman doesn't imply serving the ultimate purpose of Ormazd.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/7754768.stm
The brotherhood aims straight, those who try to fulfill their own twist on revelation are missing the point, there is something worse than lukewarm:
Shaking his head, the old man slowly and with conviction uttered the following saying which is known throughout Persia: Let God kill him who himself does not know and yet presumes to show others the way to the doors of His Kingdom. ~ "Meetings with Remarkable Men"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JiUGdn9FTgw
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