Zacharia sitchin is not legitimate

[elka]

Bob Dean mentions Zacharia Sitchin many times in his interview, mentioning him as reliable source for information about planet X.

I would like to point out that after a few years of research on Zacharia Sitchin as an author and researcher, I came to a conclusion, that he IS NOT to be believed!!!

I was , like all of you some time ago, fascinated with his books, but than, I realized something was just not fitting the whole picture!

My fascination is an ancient history, and I read lots of books about it, and somehow Zacharia's information is completely out of the whole picture! There is absolutely no evidence on what he says!

Please check this link:

http://www.sitchiniswrong.com/sitchiniswrongcontentpage.htm

Many people who are observant and like to search for the truth, also like to check the information they are given! Sitchin is nowhere supported by any ancient studies!

Why do you all believe Sitchin straight for anything he is claiming?

His research is complatly unsupported by anything and he should' be taken as a legitimate source!

[371]

Why do you all believe Sitchin straight for anything he is claiming?

I don't believe anyone 'straight for anything'. You gotta do research and come to your own conclusions based on said research and your internal disinfo/BS meter.

Sitchin's work is very interesting. Unfortunately, there aren't a whole lot of people who can translate Sumerian, so it's kind of hard to verify his claims.

[martina]

I heard that Sitchin is very dangerous, he would kill upponents, he would be a Illuminatie, spreading wrong information.

Rob Dean mentioned also Michael Cremo (who wrote the book HiddenHistory of the Human Race). There is Coast to Coast interview with Michael Cremo : Credible Evidence of the Truth part 1 - 7

http://youtube.com/watch?v=AuTnqOfzTPM&feature=related

Rob Dean think the NWO is a good thing

[Brinty]

Bob Dean mentions Zacharia Sitchin many times in his interview, mentioning him as reliable source for information about planet X.

I would like to point out that after a few years of research on Zacharia Sitchin as an author and researcher, I came to a conclusion, that he IS NOT to be believed!!!

I was , like all of you some time ago, fascinated with his books, but than, I realized something was just not fitting the whole picture!

My fascination is an ancient history, and I read lots of books about it, and somehow Zacharia's information is completely out of the whole picture! There is absolutely no evidence on what he says!

Please check this link:

http://www.sitchiniswrong.com/sitchiniswrongcontentpage.htm

Many people who are observant and like to search for the truth, also like to check the information they are given! Sitchin is nowhere supported by any ancient studies!

Why do you all believe Sitchin straight for anything he is claiming?

His research is complatly unsupported by anything and he should' be taken as a legitimate source!

Ahem! I think you'll find his name is ZECHARIA and not ZACHARIA. If you can't get that right, how can we believe anything else you say about him? :tongue2:

Hey, just kidding, :original:

BUT, I am inclined to agree with your point of view. Like you, I was an avid reader of his books, but after I came back down to earth from the heights that my imagination had risen to, I thought that like velikovsky, his theory's open up a new way of looking at the world around us and what "might" have been.

I suggest that not all of what either Sitchin or Velikovsy wrote, is beyond the realms of possibility - just that not ALL they wrote is accurate. I think the apt expression would be that they both give us "food for thought."

[elka]

I think we have to be careful with a lot of information from different authors all around!

Another suspect is John Eric Phelps!

http://www.outlawjournalism.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1853&start=20&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=&sid=b9660e5975978165bd12e75d243c3f29

But this guy of course has a completely different story to tell!

[feeler]

I think we have to be careful with a lot of information from different authors all around!

Another suspect is John Eric Phelps!

http://www.outlawjournalism.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1853&start=20&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=&sid=b9660e5975978165bd12e75d243c3f29

But this guy of course has a completely different story to tell!


A couple of years back I watched a short video in which Zacharia Sitchin walked into a book store and showed his book to a customer to stir up interest.

After the customer spent time answering all his questions, the customer asked whether he could have the book.

Zacharia Sitchin flat out declined, and didn't even offer an arrangement to let the guy have a copy.

Clearly a service-to-self.

-feeler

[elka]

hmm, that proves a few points.

I somehow had that strange feeling about him!

I don't trust his information.:wink2:

[Shakesbeer]

During PC's own interview of Leo Zagmi he had said Sitchin was FOS & was intentionally mislead by the Vatican to throw everyone off the scent.

Here's a guy named Nassim Haramein (http://www.theresonanceproject.org/) who has just sumbitted his unified field theory which is currently under peer review at Temple University (http://www.temple.edu/tempress/). He eventually worked his way to the bible in his research and realized there was a comet that (Comet NEAT 2000/V1 (http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap030224.html)) that was twice the size of Jupiter, which should have at least pulled Mercury into the sun based on conventional celestrial mechanics, but didn't. Earth was in the tail when this thing was at the sun, but nothing happened here. So now we're supposed to believe something twice the size of Earth many times smaller then this comet, is supposed to kill us (or cause unrivaled chaos)?:thumbdown: He was saying that by his studies & research he found the prediction of "Planet X/Comet NEAT" by the Sumerians was a week off.

Sorry Bob, even if Niburu is out there, why would it destroy us while an obviously larger heavenly body had an even better chance before?

Here's Nassim's lecture where he talks about this comet:
Part 33 "planet x" or Comet NEAT (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VrFvs-e1fRc)

Oh btw, the A-holes in charge knew about this thing, didn't know what it would do, and chose not to tell us about...so if anyone believes the government doesn't hide things from us, there you go!

[feeler]

Sorry Bob, even if Niburu is out there, why would it destroy us while an obviously larger heavenly body had an even better chance before?

Here's Nassim's lecture where he talks about this comet:
Part 33 "planet x" or Comet NEAT (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VrFvs-e1fRc)



I watched Nassim's lecture a while back. Look at the nearest celestial object; the moon, hauled from a different solar system, never for once showed it dark side to us. Even women bleed according to its cycle. Just a glimpse of what ETs can do.

-feeler

[Shakesbeer]

Feeler - I hear ya man, that's a great observation about the moon too. It seems like "something" out there is watching out as well as there is obviously other physical forces that come into play in this universe that we don't have a thorough understanding of. It's really cool actually, I know people are all freaked out about everything right now...but damn seriously, I'm 30 years old and have already lived through more "doomsdays" then I can count.

So what has that taught me? Apparently, no matter how things happen in the "real world" they've apparently been fairly even-keel even as societies crumbled and where rebuilt....here we are -shrugs- and we probably will be for awhile.

In the very least it seems we're coveted property, and at best we are M|_|tha- F'in God-machines capable of all types of miraculous advents :thumb_yello:

I wouldn't doubt that there is something very significant coming in 20 years or so though. That would fit life's eternal cycle of safe prophetic proclamations, even with in my own "travels" or "remote viewings" as Mr. Dean said.

[elka]

Thanks Schakesbeer for that great information about the comet.
I actually didn't know about it.

You see?, here we are.........and nothing happened!


But you know, I wouldn't quite discount a situation we should be prepared for!.


When I lived in the States I always thought:

What if the electric grid is off one day? How can people survive without gas and food? That thought was scary for me. Our lives there depended on PTB!

Economic crisis or not, I wouldn't like to be cought in a scenario with no power, water and food! And it's also gloom and doom, isn't it?

[RSF]

elka, I hear what your saying, but suggest your sources could be mistaken, ie BD. Just seems to me BD managed to walk between the rain drops in keeping ebe/ufo credibility.
He was a NATO man, possibly a Master Sgt indirectly reporting to Gen Lyman Lemnitzer.
He's a nice man. Someone who may have been less involved in the ebe/ufo world than he'd have us believe.
I think Sitchin's the real deal. Not that I believe or understand every point he raises in his books or with documentaries, but the tablets he shows and speaks in depth about are seriously interesting to me.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zecharia_Sitchin

RSF

[elka]

the link on my thread by Michael S. Heiser, and also the Wikipedia link clearly states that Sitchin's translations of sumerian language are incorrect!

Even more so Michael Heiser, as fully learned scientist, points to many failures of Sitchin's translations.

Some of the misinterpretations of Sumerian are quite unacceptable.

[RSF]

Of course there's going to be skeptics. Powerful knowledgenauts you mention. Wikipedia's a member induced knowledge base. Let's face it, Sitchin researched and wrote some pretty-extreme stuff. Easy to discredit -- yes?

RSF

[Ashatav]

During PC's own interview of Leo Zagmi he had said Sitchin was FOS & was intentionally mislead by the Vatican to throw everyone off the scent.


Yeah, that's exactly what I heard and if my memory doesn't fail Leo Say something about Bob Dean to in the interview.

Cheers!

[Brinty]

Re Sitchin's theories - as I said in an earlier post on this thread, I read all his books avidly and was greatly influenced by them. Weeks later, as the effect wore off, my common sense pointed out that no person who comes up with such a wide ranging theory, will ever be 100% right on every count. But what his books did do for me, was they gave me a new way to understand the Bible - a book that I had until then, felt very, very strongly, contained a hell of a lot of B/S.

So, I say that if nothing else, he opened my eyes to seeing the truth that had been hidden from me, because my "eyes" were looking in the wrong direction so to speak. Coupling that realisation with what I'm learning through Projects Camelot and Avalon, I'm having the most exciting time I've had in many a year as I uncover more and more of this greatest mystery for humanity.

I know that one day, each and every one of us will know the truth. If not in this world, then in the next.

Love and Peace to all, :original:
Brinty

[elka]

Yes Brinty, I must agree with you that books like that open a new prospective on life and the way we think.

Maybe we should take many such opinions and researches and simply draw our own conclusions, correct or not.

The point I was trying to make is that not everything should be taken literally as truth, and we should always try to make a deeper research on things and people who come up with certain information :wink2:

[Wellerite]

I was watching the Bob Dean interview and as soon as he mentioned Z.Sitchin i said Bye Bye and turned off........:bleh:

[elirien]

I was watching the Bob Dean interview and as soon as he mentioned Z.Sitchin i said Bye Bye and turned off........:bleh:

Same here. He has quite the enigma going on nibiru his wife and etc. But most what he reflected upon didn't grab me one bit and I can't trust anyone from the army. Smells kind of psy-ops but of course I can't prove that.

Sitchin has a nice story. That's about all.

[Doom]

Absolutely, Sitchin is not legitimate. People need to do their research on this man and not just accept his work at face value. He was heavily pushed by the mainstream media, his falsified information has launched many careers and an entire culture of dis-information.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7j0DKW6auU

Here's some good reading/lsitening on counter-intelligence, psyops, dis-info, new-age, sitchin, reptilians, and science fiction:

"The biggest authorized players in the New Age are put out there to be heroes to lead you to massive confusion and they've been doing that for over 600 years now, that we can actually trace. They give you the heroes to oppose convention, but in reality it's to sway you into the next phase of conditioning for the next society, generally bringing in the fantastic with it.

the SEED is PLANTED through DISINFORMATION, through big, big muses. You muse an idea through fiction and repetition into the minds of the public and that’s how you build a pyramid in your mind.

Prepare the soil. Plant the seed. Build on it generation by generation and the public will eventually be so bewildered and they’ll believe it that you can SPIN THEM OFF in any direction; and the more fascinating it is, the more the people unfortunately like it.

People would rather kill the messenger than face the truth when they’ve swallowed a BIG LIE.

Today people CANNOT TELL the difference between FACT AND FICTION."
- Alan Watt


July 9, 2008
Alan Watt "Cutting Through The Matrix" LIVE on RBN:
"With Scary Hype, We Can Arrange,
All Your Attention on Climate Change,
With Phony Data and Lots of Excerpts,
Repeated Daily by Well-Paid Experts,
For Gaia's Will, There Must Be Sacrifice,
To Complete the Occultic Enterprise.
And For the New-Agers Out There, Whose Ears are Itchin',
Keep Following the Fantasy Web Spun by Z. Sitchin"
(Articles: "Doomed to a fatal delusion over climate change" by Andrew Bolt, Herald Sun (news.com.au) - July 9, 2008.)
"Global Warming Movement Turns Cool" by James Spann (alabamawx.com) - June 22, 2008.)
Mad Cow Disease, Culled Stocks - Spells are Cast, Authority Figures, Huge Lies, Repetition. World War I and II - War Mode, "Inevitability" - Neurosis, Delusion, Climate Change - Terror Creation - Third-World Country Pollution Exemptions, China - Scams. Club of Rome: "Man is the Enemy" - Global Warming - Grants, Funding - Plants, Carbon Dioxide - Weather Hype - Alteration of Perception by Terminology - Antarctic Ice - IPCC. Depopulation Agenda - Abolition of Private Property and Transportation, UN Agenda 21 - Easily Managed Illiterate Population - Orwellian Phase to Huxlian "Brave New World". Building of Egyptian Pyramids - Mars Con, Sitchin, Sumerian Tablets, Fascinating Joke - "Face on Mars", Fabrication, Fantasy - Psychological Warfare, Sci-Fi.
***Dialogue Copyrighted Alan Watt - July 9, 2008 (Exempting Music, Literary Quotes, and Callers' Comments)
***LISTEN / DOWNLOAD
http://cuttingthroughthematrix.net/CTTM/Alan_Watt_CTTM_LIVEonRBN_138_With_Scary_Hype__We_C an_Arrange__All_Your_Attention_on_Climate_Change_J uly092008.mp3
(check at 38 mins in or so, a caller calls in and starts talking about the "cities found on mars", and Alan proceeds to tell him about counter-intelligence/dis-information.)


Again, some sitchin discussion here: (starting at 38:45)
http://cuttingthroughthematrix.net/CTTM/Alan_Watt_CTTM_LIVEonRBN_169_Shes_an_Aristocratic_ Lady_called_Baroness_Warnock_Sept192008.mp3



Also, check out this Ansary show where Alan puts Ansary in his place. (Ansary believes sitchin's info):

Aug. 6, 2008
Alan Watt on "Outside The Box" with Alex Ansary
(Originally Aired Live: Aug. 6, 2008 on "We The People Radio Network")
Aerial Spraying, Storm Creation, Chemical Clouds, HAARP - War on Farmers, Breadbasket, Floods, Droughts. "2012" Legend - Prophecies - 2010, Integration of Americas - 2012, World Government. Transhumanist Agenda - Hinduism, "Waves of Time" - Eugenics - Warfare Strategy - Totalitarian Society, Individual Isolation. Aleister Crowley, Creation of Mysticism and Confusion, Hopis, Scottish Rite, Freemasonry. New Age Movement, "Grand Delusion", "Becoming Gods", Heroes to Follow - Fascination - Gorbachev, New Religion based on Earth Worship - "Higher Consciousness". Corruption of Truth - American Revolution - System of "Civilization", Control - Illusion and Hallucination.
LISTEN / DOWNLOAD Hour 1
http://cuttingthroughthematrix.net/audio/Alan_Watt_on_OutsideTheBox_AlexAnsary_Aug062008_Ho ur1.mp3

Dogma of Christianity, Churches, Organized Religions - Following Dictates of Government or Your God - Looking at the Negative - Rockefeller Foundation, UFO "Threat". Wiccanism, Books "Appeared" on the Shelves - Use of Power - Joining a Group vs. Individuality. Scottish Rite, "New Age" Journal - Heaven's Gate Cult Suicides - Forms of Mind Control, Manipulation. Marketing, Behaviour Alteration, Promiscuity - Media - Gender War - Victim Mentality, Fake History. United Nations, Sadomasochism, Psychopathic-Led System - Agenda 21, Habitat Supercities - Portland, Oregon - Restricting Freedom of Travel - Rural Property Taxation. CFR, RIIA - China as World Policeman - Marriage Agencies, Emigrating Women - Next "Boat People" Leaving U.S. Eternal Solutions, "Hurt No One" - Every Action has a Reaction - Cause and Effect - Fighting Evil Here in the World of Matter. Zbigniew Brzezinski "Between Two Ages" book, Technetronic Weaponry - Carroll Quigley books. Sitchin, "Interpretation" of Sumerian Tablets - Annunaki, Nature Spirits - Total Confusion. 30 Years of War and Strife - Kissinger - U.N. Weather Warfare Treaty - Pandemics.
LISTEN / DOWNLOAD Hour 2
http://cuttingthroughthematrix.net/audio/Alan_Watt_on_OutsideTheBox_AlexAnsary_Aug062008_Ho ur2.mp3

Links to Debunking Modern Mythology and Well-Financed Disinformation regarding Sumerian "Gods":

" SitchinIsWrong.com "
http://sitchiniswrong.com/sitchiniswrongcontentpage.htm

"Zecharia Sitchin's ancient astronaut theories - a skeptical archive"
http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Corridor/8148/zindex.html


goes into the annunaki/reptilian theories a fair bit here:
http://cuttingthroughthematrix.com/transcripts/Tales_From_the_Croc_Pot_Alan_Watt.html


Jan 17, 2007 Alan Watt Blurb
"Weather Warfare, Road to Happy Habitat"
(End Song Dedicated to all New-Agers)
Inches to Centimeters to Crisis, National Emergency, Crisis Management and Creation, Military Police, Micromanagement, the Cold War, Always Changing Climate, Ice Ages, UN Super-Cities, Earthwatch Experts, Sooty Chemtrail Clouds and HAARP Signals, US Air Force Owning the Weather, Parental Rights, Child Rights, Freemasonic Charity, Disinformation and Counter-intelligence, Donald Rumsfeld, Maurice Strong, Privatizing the Power Grid, Useless Eaters, Respect for the Dead, Eugenics, American Eugenics Society, Social Experiments, Reptile People, Interbreeding, Wizard of Oz = Os = Us = Uz
(Song: "Shhh Its A Military Secret" , "You Must Have Been a Beautiful Baby" and "I'm Always Chasing Rainbows" by Perry Como)
***Dialogue Copyrighted Alan Watt 1-17-2007 (Exempting Music and Literary Quotes)
***LISTEN / DOWNLOAD
http://www.cuttingthroughthematrix.net/Blurbs/Alan_Watt_Blurb_WeatherWarfare_Jan172007.mp3

Here's some text from the last one for sample:
Those who have suddenly looked around them, still standing on the floor on the bottom level of the matrix, generally freak out at the information that hits them, because it's available from some good sources and an awful lot of bad sources. They panic. The bad sources that are run by the big boys, because this isn't the first time this technique has been used, will have them spinning off in helter-skelters of the most amazing disinformation ever designed. They know that the average person, who is, as I say, just woken up to one part of it – that is that his life is changing drastically, rather quickly. We don't notice when it's done slowly, you see, but they're on a roll now. They know that the person is freaking out, and the first conclusion they're encouraged to think of, is that this is too diabolical and too overwhelming to be done by humans. This is encouraged through lots of the authorized authors, who are put out there to promote all kinds of things, from space aliens to slimy things that walk around looking like people, and not yet people either. That seems palatable to the average person, who's just, as I say, in the freaking out stage of “how did all this happen”?

They've been living in fairy-land, a dream, up until that point, with their favorite newscasters looking very mature and very fatherly, and staring them in the eye at every six o'clock newscast. “Would he lie to you? Of course not.” To you think that whole world is lying to you, would put you into a category, which would make it easy for them to lock you up. So don't freak out. Accept it calmly and quietly.

Yes, YOU'VE BEEN CONNED BIG TIME, and not just you. Billions of other people to across the planet have been CONNED, because this scientific process has been in operation for an awful long time. They put out the fake dis-info guys, counterintelligence, who gathers all the intelligence (the facts) that are being passed around, to mix it with the absurd and discredit the facts.

I get that all the time from people who, as I say, they're on roller coasters with all this disinformation, mixed up with real information. That’s what they always say – "humans could never dreamt this up. It's just too big," and that's because they're still thinking that it's just happened, suddenly. It's also an egotistical problem, because they can't imagined how they could have been fooled so perfectly, but you've been trained that way since your birth, and your parents didn't know. Like all mammals, you accept that if the parents don't show danger signals towards a certain area, you'll think everything is quite natural within that area. That's how simple this is. You'll see networks of people, generally very old men, who do get life extension, there's no doubt whatsoever. They get a superior healthcare the public will never be let into, and your science magazines will still keep you living in the cave age, stone age, the era with their latest this and latest that. Everything they tell us is obsolete and very old.

You have a network of old guys, an old boys club, to introduce people who work their way up the pyramid, through many different rituals and proving their worth. "You must be worthy," as they say. It means you must keep your mouth shut. You do the dirty deeds on the public and keep you mouth shut, too, and you take your rewards and keep your mouth shut. The higher they go, the worse they become, until they're really conning in a big way, and they still keep their mouths shut. That's the system. They're pulled out of CEO offices, banks or corporations, many of which are just owned by the secret services like the CIA anyway, and moved all over the planet into the United Nations – out of the United Nations into politics – back into CEO job – back into the United Nations – in perpetual circles. They always know their part in the agenda. They're very worthy. They're trustworthy, you see. They can keep their mouths shut.



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Here's a tid bit from another show that is relevant here as well:

Counter-intelligence takes that, attaches it to something ridiculous, and spins it off into outer space, which discredits the facts. When you try and tell people the facts, once more, without the incredulous stuff, they laugh at you, thinking you're one of those strange guys who sees certain things which most folk don't. It's a good ploy, but it's been used so often.



Here to finish up is a letter from Gary in England. He emailed me with this. He said:



"Family and I just got back from a weekend in Blackpool…"



Alan: Blackpool is a coastal city where people used to go, the working class used to go for their occasional weekend with the family. It has shows and things for the children; and that was a big deal at one time, it still is, to an extent.



He says:



"The first night I was there I spotted a big sign saying "Conspiracies Exposed." It was advertising an exhibition about 9/11 and how we’ve been lied to about our history, et cetera. I had a look around and there was some good info, but it seemed to be heavily influenced by (and I won't say the word, that would be ticky-a-tacky), by this certain person's work. It cost me and my lass four quid each (that's four pounds) and a couple of quid for the bairns. (The bairns are the children). The bloke (the fellow, that's the guy) who showed us around seemed canny, but within about five minutes he was getting into the reptile stuff. That type of thing is just going to turn off the average Joe, who would otherwise maybe go further down the rabbit hole, but then it's supposed to, right? Just thought I'd let you know about that."



Alan: That's exactly right. They attach the facts with the incredible fiction, spin it into outer space and ridicule all of it, so it's all in a twilight zone. That's counter-intelligence and the word even "conspiracy," you see, the big boys want the people who are talking about the facts to go along and have themselves labeled as conspiracy theorists. The big boys put that term out for those to adopt. In fact, many people who are having been around exposing things have quite happily accepted the term, "conspiracy theorists". It's now like a big new hobby of weirdoes.



So don't discredit your stuff. Stick to the facts. Don't discredit yourself in the process. Just stick to the facts and you will get through to people, if you just simply stick to the facts. So that's very, very true, and this kind of thing is happening all over. These kinds of shows are obviously funded as well.

[RSF]

Though I may not agree with your summation Doom, I would like to say -- excellent build of info, well done!!
:lmao:
RSF

[Doom]

Though I may not agree with your summation Doom, I would like to say -- excellent build of info, well done!!
RSF

:original:

For the record I once bought into Sitchin's stuff as well.

I had a hard time accepting I had been conned when I first started questioning everything many many year ago, but then it was almost even harder to accept that I had been conned again when I relized through research that some of the cultures that swept me up when I started to question things were illegitimate - I had become a new ager without even relizing it - in searching for truth only very few make it through all the psychological warfare and counter intelligence mentally intact.

[beanny]

elka....y dont you each spend 30 years studying the hebrew language and text as did sitchin, of whom it was already his native tongue...b4 you are eligilble to critisize his interpretation?
what was the hebrew background of this other guys that discredit sitchin,?
could you have read 2 words from hebrew text and write an entire page on its meaning?...well in hebrew you can...
i.e
in hebrew... the word for TRUTH= EMET..if you could view the pattern of each letter ALEF MEM TAV...of course in their hebrew text...
each have either 2legs or a base to stand on...indicating that TRUTH CAN NEVER FALL
whereas
the word for LIE=SHEKER .....SHIN KOOF RESH
each letter only has one leg/one pivot, and the middle letter is extra long downward...creating a centre pivot to the entire word...
hence, that with a "lie", the pattern of each letter cannot stand, it can only fall, yet EVEN the whole word cannot stand, indicating A LIE CAN ONLY aventually FALL
there are many hidden messages in these same 2 words..same as the entire hebrew text.....
the secret of G-ds creation aRe in HIS language

the origins of english are largely only cultural....i.e NYLON... derived from where the 1st 2 offices were based...N ew Y ork-LON don
interesting, but not quite so deep hey
it would probably take sitchin a book on each text of the bible to explain how he derived ALL his material...i dont think he can live long enough to do so
where are the origins of this other guy that chooses to discredit sitchin? on what bases?

is hebrew too, his native tongue, i may ask:shocked:

[Operator]

Ok, let's forget Sitchin for a moment ....

That still leaves the fact that something maybe incoming into our solar system.
I got word from someone related to NASA that they do track something incoming. Now I am looking all over the place to get
more proof that this undoubtedly true. Still haven't found it, so I am stuck with assumption only for the moment.

Now that other comets or celestial bodies did not create problems before is no proof that this one will or will not.
However the time we're in may indeed be unfortunate ... We 're approaching the galactic plane which amongst other
things contains dust clouds. This is affecting our sun such that a build up for a large scale CME is possible/likely.

What you see on most video's (also of Nassim Haramein) is that a burst from the sun happens towards the incoming body.
If this extra celestial body passes behind earth (as seen from the sun) this CME might 'hit' the earth.
(Bible is talking of fires in the sky ... ?)

Although I am not a big fan (due to his commerce driven approach) you can find a lot more if you google "Ed Dames"
and/or "Killshot".

I hope this info might explain why the government/military DO consider this as a real big problem ....

Cheers

[Shellie]

My dad was really into Sitchin and sent me the first of his books. I didn't even get through it. As a theoretical linguist, grad student, and employee of the library, I just could not give any legitimacy to someone who

1) based an entire story out of his own translations of something no one else has ever translated or read before

2) had NO proper references to ANYTHING except himself

3) all of the illustrations were just that- illustrations. There were very little photos and everything else was hand drawn. We are expected to take his word for it.

[carcharodon]

influnces of a planetary body on other known solar sys bodies would allow to pinpoint the location of planetx. where are its pics? we're able to get photos of other solar sys planets, why can't we get the one from planetx?

[beanny]

fair enough shelly, (meaning mine?)
i cant say i "know" if he genuine or not....

but to say there is no proof. is never enough to negate information, just cant prove itself..
life HAS proved that much to all of us on somel evel or other
some of you whom experience life,largely through intuition will probably get my drift.
as we all know.....truth will eventually emerge to the forefront,
which ever it is
as the veil of .... lies slip away....

i guess we can keep seeking and seeking and listening inward....

[nibiru]

Greetings :
Before anything, I honor the freedom of thought that every human being posseses. I will share with you all some data:
1) Sitchin is a scholar...Nevertheless that the whole system attacks him AND his theories,he belongs to the few that knows dead languages such as old summerian.
2) the u.s. Government has indeed sewed sitchin...they want to confiscate all his knowledge and thus preventing his words to be propagated. Does that fact tell you anything?
3) I have done my homework and investigated the data for years(15). What is of my knowledge is that he is 90% correct. He misses the fact that the lulu were created not only to serve as a working slave, but that this is part of a galactic plan to provide flesh in which divine sparks can incarnate in this planetary school of total free will.
4) Nibiru is a brown dwarf,hollowed and used as a galactic federation starship to seed worlds. Its orbit is not necessarily of a 3,600 years cycle.
5)sitchin, according to a top general in the mexican intelligence path, assured to me that the data provided was acurate,according to israeli,french canadian and chinese intelligence services surveys of the data.
6)the new southpole telescope observatory was built indeed,to track nibiru´s passage through our solar system....
And there is more....

[Shellie]

Beanny, that wasn't directed specifically to you. :)

I am just saying that his scholarship is incredibly sloppy, and that it was a turn-off. Of all the Sumerian scholars (and there is plenty of them at universities like Chicago and all over the Middle East), why is he the only one to translate all of the material he uses? I used to study classical Arabic and found a lot of his explanation of Semitic roots dubious, if not completely contradictory to what I was getting from my peers in the Hebrew department. Now, interpretations of things (like what anthropologists study) can swing in any direction and I understand his questioning of the conventional understanding of Sumerian culture and archaeology- there is plenty of "conspiracy" material in that alone- but languages just aren't as fuzzy as that. This is almost like the one man in China who claims to have "translated" the Dropa stones... C'mon! Based on what?

The only think that DOES give Sitchin any credibility is that the government is so interested in him, and that there are some things in astronomy that are explained if you use the "Planet X" model. But that doesn't make the model itself correct. What if he is completely wrong about Planet X, but the government wants him to do research because they are interested in something else? Maybe he is being used to interpret other things, and by picking him instead of another scholar it keeps the "fringe conspiracy nut-jobs" busy running in circles are Nibiru and not looking at what they really are studying.

Another thing bothers me, and that is his logic. Too much is based on "ifs"... If this is true then that is true... and if it is true then this... than this... All you have to do is prove one "if" wrong early on, and the entire structure collapses.

[Doom]

I have to agree with shellie. I have not personally studied the language myself for the same reason that there are so many flaws in his logic based on what I have read of his resaerch compared to what I have read from other scholars. though I would still like to learn it for myself eventually when the time grants itself. There's just too many ifs though based on what I have researched, too much possibility think that ignores reality. Many other legit genuine scholars who researched the same sumarian language and tablets all come to the same real tranlsations which don't match Sitchin's at all (Alan Watt has done this himself as well). Sitchin already had his conclusion before researching the information, and tried to spin everything to fit his pre-decided conclusion. There are obvious translations that all other researchers reach, while sitchin literally pulls meanings out of hats to make up his own that works for him and fit. Sitchin's translations not only have been basically completely disproven, but his entire education and scholary career is subject to suspicion as well - Please check out the links I have given through this thread.

[Nebula]

When people donot understand something, they will critize and discredit you!. Case and example with ZSitchin. With all information, you have to research and check it for yourself. I believe in what Sitchin is saying. Now i have a question for you!. Is there any other researchers prior to Sitchin with the same research, insight and info?

[Brinty]

When people donot understand something, they will critize and discredit you!. Case and example with ZSitchin. With all information, you have to research and check it for yourself. I believe in what Sitchin is saying. Now i have a question for you!. Is there any other researchers prior to Sitchin with the same research, insight and info?

On a somewhat different, but still earth shattering topic, may I put forward the name of the man who's books opened my eyes in the 1950s to a whole new way of looking at myths and legends. I speak of two of Imanuel Velikovski's books, "Worlds in Collision" and "Earth in Upheaval". The amount of research this guy did was mind blowing.

The first book is based on mythological tales and when it was published, he was of course ridiculed by the scientific community. This community forced his publishers to cease publication of Velikovski's book by threatening to take their (the scientist's) books and pamphlets, to another publisher.

As his first book had been criticised by science because it was based on "fairy tales", he chose to write his second book, "Earth in Upheaval", using irrefutable geological evidence of disasters having swept the earth. He brings in the concept of pole shift that also explains some of the "impossible" events reported in the Bible.

All in all, I think these two books of Velikovski's would be a worthwhile addition to any "truth seeker's" library. :thumb_yello:

[capreycorn]

sitchin`s ideas are great. but the books don`t "resonate" for me just as the "new testament" won`t.
to me this always means, that it is not what the author wanted to publish - it couldn`t be published without "changes".
.censorship is everywhere.

[Doom]

I'll second Worlds in Collision by Immanuel Velikovsky.

But Sitchin is still a phony and his information is still false, and as fictional as it gets.

Lots of us have researched it for ourself, and we don't all come to the same conclusions. We must respect other's opinions, not poo-poo them because we don't agree.

I understand and respect the position that Sitchin's data is true, I once studied it and believed it. But I also learnt to understand that part of the solution to the mess we are in, is to seperate fact from fiction. Seperate Information from Dis-information. When one seeks the truth, they subejct themselves to all forms of psyhcological warefare and counter-intelligece that are set up to project the real truth, and very few make it through mentally intact. And through my continued research I have identified Sitchin as a psyops.

[elirien]

My dad was really into Sitchin and sent me the first of his books. I didn't even get through it. As a theoretical linguist, grad student, and employee of the library, I just could not give any legitimacy to someone who

1) based an entire story out of his own translations of something no one else has ever translated or read before

2) had NO proper references to ANYTHING except himself

3) all of the illustrations were just that- illustrations. There were very little photos and everything else was hand drawn. We are expected to take his word for it.

It's like proving the bible with the bible isn't it :)

[Rareheart]

This is "wisdom". (imho)
Another thing bothers me, and that is his logic. Too much is based on "ifs"... If this is true then that is true... and if it is true then this... than this... All you have to do is prove one "if" wrong early on, and the entire structure collapses.

All logic is based on "ifs", and "truths"...the snag is "proof".
Written words will never "prove" anything...
Outside a court of law, anyway...and, we're all very aware of the truths spewed and digested in courts every day.
(again, my humble opinion)

All writing is merely opinion...waiting for approval.

[moshiya]

[QUOTE=beanny;60553]elka....y dont you each spend 30 years studying the hebrew language and text as did sitchin, of whom it was already his native tongue...b4 you are eligilble to critisize his interpretation?
what was the hebrew background of this other guys that discredit sitchin,?
could you have read 2 words from hebrew text and write an entire page on its meaning?...well in hebrew you can...
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very true,but even when hebrew is your first language, it does not make you an expert on its meaning.

while Nassim has touched something what both miss is knowledge of the first language ,if the first language is known then the structure upon which the letters are placed and spell out the text would be known , and it reveals the laws both of the uni-verse and of man.

one more thing that blocks them to find it, is that they all seek conditionally,they are not open enough, the ecept and reject according their own theories. what they should do is to look at other reseach and see what connects instead of seeing what does not.

[mr.komie]

when watchin david ickes Revelations Of A Mother Goddess, sitchins name came up a few times as an illuminati member quite high up. this was before i had heard of him thru the nibiru thing. i wouldn't pee on him if he was on fire....

he could be telling the truth or telling lies.... whose to know. i personally think nibiru is real and they are probably the blue coloured beings as depicted in indian tales as 'biru' means 'blue' in some s.e.asian languages. just try to find other sources of info rather than that iffy molester of kids!

peace KE

[elirien]

when watchin david ickes Revelations Of A Mother Goddess, sitchins name came up a few times as an illuminati member quite high up. this was before i had heard of him thru the nibiru thing. i wouldn't pee on him if he was on fire....

he could be telling the truth or telling lies.... whose to know. i personally think nibiru is real and they are probably the blue coloured beings as depicted in indian tales as 'biru' means 'blue' in some s.e.asian languages. just try to find other sources of info rather than that iffy molester of kids!

peace KE

This will sound like throwing **** at something but be careful when it comes to Arizona Wilder.

Have a look at this:
http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=54

[spiritual_wanderer]

You know, I can't say whether Sitchin is disinfo or legit. But I find him and his work very interesting and therefore, I'll read it sometimes. No one should blindly follow anyone. But its important to have info of all kinds out there available to let everyone decide what is for them and not. Since I believe in the ancient astronaut theory, I find his intriguing.

[Brinty]

You know, I can't say whether Sitchin is disinfo or legit. But I find him and his work very interesting and therefore, I'll read it sometimes. No one should blindly follow anyone. But its important to have info of all kinds out there available to let everyone decide what is for them and not. Since I believe in the ancient astronaut theory, I find his intriguing.

I agree with you spiritual wanderer. It is best not to dismiss a theory out of hand just because it doesn't fit in with your own concept of "reality" or "truth'. It is advisable to keep an open mind - but not so open that you lose your brains when you bend over. Having to clean egg off your face after taking a public stand against a particular theory only to find that same theory was a fact, could lead to a lot of embarrassment. :blush-anim-cl:

Like the scientists many years ago who ridiculed people who claimed that stones had fallen from the sky. "Stones? Falling from the sky? Come on now, what's holding these stones up in the sky? Don't talk such nonsense!" :tongue2: Imagine their shock when a shower of meteorites occured during one of their conferences. :mfr_omg: I reckon an awful lot of frantic face cleaning went on after that. :original:

[Doom]

I agree with you spiritual wanderer. It is best not to dismiss a theory out of hand just because it doesn't fit in with your own concept of "reality" or "truth'. It is advisable to keep an open mind - but not so open that you lose your brains when you bend over. Having to clean egg off your face after taking a public stand against a particular theory only to find that same theory was a fact, could lead to a lot of embarrassment. :blush-anim-cl:

Like the scientists many years ago who ridiculed people who claimed that stones had fallen from the sky. "Stones? Falling from the sky? Come on now, what's holding these stones up in the sky? Don't talk such nonsense!" :tongue2: Imagine their shock when a shower of meteorites occured during one of their conferences. :mfr_omg: I reckon an awful lot of frantic face cleaning went on after that. :original:


With comments like this I fear some of us are missing the point of the thread. Sitchin's work hasn't been dismissed or ignored by most of it. It has been thoroughly disporven. (And I don't mean by mainstream debunkers, I mean by truthseekers). Of course we have to keep an "open mind" to things even if they don't fit our concept of reality. (but not too open, because we need to keep our minds guarded, and not open to psyops programming). But keeping that "open mind" doesn't make fantasy real. That doesn't make counter-intelligence that is designed to disable the victim, truth.

Idenifying counter-intelligence and seperating fact from fiction is a must in the process of waking up. Step 1 is awareness, but Step 2 is understanding. The understand stage takes the longest, and is often where most people get caught up, and end up chasing their imagination around in circles, because that's where the most counter-intelligence pysops operations are working. Just becoming aware of this "new world order" is not enough, it's very easy to become confused and buy into falsified information when trying to understand and lead off into the wrong direction. We must understand it first to fix it, which leads us Step 3, which is once we understand, then action can be taken, in whatever form it needs to be taken - and it will be self evident at that point what that is - whether it be waking others up, or whatever.

[spiritual_wanderer]

There are truthseekers of all kinds and they often disagree with each other. Who's to say one is right or the other wrong? People can have a different interpretation of the same data.

Red flags go up when one person is saying they have the answers. What I respect is people like David Icke who say, ok here is some information I have to share with you, now it is up to you to decide if it's for you or not.

Project Camelot is like that. They don't claim to have the answers, they're just trying to share the enormous wealth of ideas with the masses. Is all of their info correct? I would be suspicious if anyone claimed it was.

It is up to each individual to take what works for them and discard the rest. We can even learn from "disinfo."

[Doom]

There are truthseekers of all kinds and they often disagree with each other. Who's to say one is right or the other wrong? People can have a different interpretation of the same data.

Red flags go up when one person is saying they have the answers. What I respect is people like David Icke who say, ok here is some information I have to share with you, now it is up to you to decide if it's for you or not.

Project Camelot is like that. They don't claim to have the answers, they're just trying to share the enormous wealth of ideas with the masses. Is all of their info correct? I would be suspicious if anyone claimed it was.

It is up to each individual to take what works for them and discard the rest. We can even learn from "disinfo."

I agree generally, but you have to draw a line, you can't just believe things because someone put the information out there and said, "decide if it's for you or not".
Many things can be proven - just because things can be interpreted differently, doesn't make all those interpretations correct. People can agree to disagree, but that still doesn't make fantasy truth. And when you look to the origins of a lot of this information(such as sitchins), it is not factual and was purposely designed, put out, and pushed, to mislead the public. It also makes truth associated with fiction, so that when you try and communicate to others about truth, right away they think of all the fictional lies attatched to the term "conspiracy" like reptilians. You see, it discredits the truth when it is assoiciated with fiction. We as truthseekers, must work together, to expose the counter-intelligence, because we are losing many minds to it, that think they are waking up. We still have a good chance to save those minds since they were at least willing to have the courage to not to go along with the normals.

also, I must comment that you must be very careful with David Icke ( http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/showpost.php?p=58379&postcount=19 ), he puts out a lot of truth to suck you in, but then spins it into outerspace with fiction and new age philosophy. Whether he does it on purpose or is just mislead himself is another question(i would suggest a little of both), but please, all I am asking really is for people to at least look into the some of the information and links I have provided on the new age and counter-intelligence. AS well, I'm not saying to not look into David Icke's information, but at least get all sides of the story.

I feel the same about project camelot. I don't doubt that Kerry and Bill might be genuine, but that doesn't validate their information, or their sources' information.

Most people in this "truth movement" are eating everything up that's put out there without relizing that some of the information out there that is supposedly freeing them is just trapping them into a another cage. In fact there is an entire conspiracy culture, put out there by the establishment, created from the top down, for the prupose of discrediting the real truth. Be aware.

[elirien]

I agree generally, but you have to draw a line, you can't just believe things because someone put the information out there and said, "decide if it's for you or not".
Many things can be proven - just because things can be interpreted differently, doesn't make all those interpretations correct. People can agree to disagree, but that still doesn't make fantasy truth. And when you look to the origins of a lot of this information(such as sitchins), it is not factual and was purposely designed, put out, and pushed, to mislead the public. It also makes truth associated with fiction, so that when you try and communicate to others about truth, right away they think of all the fictional lies attatched to the term "conspiracy" like reptilians. You see, it discredits the truth when it is assoiciated with fiction. We as truthseekers, must work together, to expose the counter-intelligence, because we are losing many minds to it, that think they are waking up. We still have a good chance to save those minds since they were at least willing to have the courage to not to go along with the normals.

also, I must comment that you must be very careful with David Icke ( http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/showpost.php?p=58379&postcount=19 ), he puts out a lot of truth to suck you in, but then spins it into outerspace with fiction and new age philosophy. Whether he does it on purpose or is just mislead himself is another question(i would suggest a little of both), but please, all I am asking really is for people to at least look into the some of the information and links I have provided on the new age and counter-intelligence. AS well, I'm not saying to not look into David Icke's information, but at least get all sides of the story.

I feel the same about project camelot. I don't doubt that Kerry and Bill might be genuine, but that doesn't validate their information, or their sources' information.

Most people in this "truth movement" are eating everything up that's put out there without relizing that some of the information out there that is supposedly freeing them is just trapping them into a another cage. In fact there is an entire conspiracy culture, put out there by the establishment, created from the top down, for the prupose of discrediting the real truth. Be aware.

Well I mostly agree with you but your comparison of David Icke and Project Camelot doesn't ring with me so to speak. First of all David Icke is not "a style of truth seeking". He is just a guy who gathered a lot of research of others like every researcher in this field that makes his research prone for disinformation that the likes of Sitchin and Maxwell put out there. His thoughts on reptilians are not unique to him. There are a lot of people talking about them, even Bill Deagle (if you've watched the last project camelot interview with him). I am not sure if I should label "the reptilians" as fiction because I don't have any means to disprove them. It could be a disinfo project perhaps but that has to be researched and documented.

Project Camelot are just two people who interview whistle-blowers or am I getting something wrong here. I mean I have heard tons of bs. from some whistle-blowers (mostly regarding Planet X and Sitchin) but I didn't judge Project Camelot for these testimonials as I have not judged David Icke for Arizona Wilder and Credo Mutwa (not that I am claiming they are bs. but they can't put proof on the table like Cathy O'Brien which would be a good candidate to interview by the way).

--Rant--
The main thing here that creates problems is, people like to "give their back to someone with full power of their trust" and "people tend to like to get hung up upon those people and the belief associated with them even if they are proven wrong in some aspect". These aspects make it impossible for finding truth especially if you are debating with guys that say "o.k. that is your truth and this is mine". I mean I read such sentences over and over and it still makes me very sad. It just reeks of programming.

Even though we don't know much and we can only perceive 0.05% or something of the universe through our eyes there still is much fact to prove something to go around. There are definite truths people which are embedded in many things from ancient religion to modern disinfo agents. We have to filter it from these sources and at least pick up a damn book to try to prove the claims made by any one of them. Well enough ranting. You've got my point.

--Rant Over--

The conspiracy culture is definitely an important subject since we are getting to become a new society almost with all this ground crew and project venus going (not that I want to be in any one of those societies besides for debating). I think that most people who think they are "awakened" will just jump at the idea of "a solution" which is of the "problem-reaction-solution" cycle that David Icke likes to talk about very much. These in effect will create a new post-industrialization mass who this time are not for nationalization but globalization disguised under the new age and projects like the venus project who both boil down to the Georgia Guide Stones and of course the mystery religions.

[Doom]

Well I mostly agree with you but your comparison of David Icke and Project Camelot doesn't ring with me so to speak. First of all David Icke is not "a style of truth seeking". He is just a guy who gathered a lot of research of others like every researcher in this field that makes his research prone for disinformation that the likes of Sitchin and Maxwell put out there. His thoughts on reptilians are not unique to him. There are a lot of people talking about them, even Bill Deagle (if you've watched the last project camelot interview with him). I am not sure if I should label "the reptilians" as fiction because I don't have any means to disprove them. It could be a disinfo project perhaps but that has to be researched and documented.

Project Camelot are just two people who interview whistle-blowers or am I getting something wrong here. I mean I have heard tons of bs. from some whistle-blowers (mostly regarding Planet X and Sitchin) but I didn't judge Project Camelot for these testimonials as I have not judged David Icke for Arizona Wilder and Credo Mutwa (not that I am claiming they are bs. but they can't put proof on the table like Cathy O'Brien which would be a good candidate to interview by the way).

--Rant--
The main thing here that creates problems is, people like to "give their back to someone with full power of their trust" and "people tend to like to get hung up upon those people and the belief associated with them even if they are proven wrong in some aspect". These aspects make it impossible for finding truth especially if you are debating with guys that say "o.k. that is your truth and this is mine". I mean I read such sentences over and over and it still makes me very sad. It just reeks of programming.

Even though we don't know much and we can only perceive 0.05% or something of the universe through our eyes there still is much fact to prove something to go around. There are definite truths people which are embedded in many things from ancient religion to modern disinfo agents. We have to filter it from these sources and at least pick up a damn book to try to prove the claims made by any one of them. Well enough ranting. You've got my point.

--Rant Over--

The conspiracy culture is definitely an important subject since we are getting to become a new society almost with all this ground crew and project venus going (not that I want to be in any one of those societies besides for debating). I think that most people who think they are "awakened" will just jump at the idea of "a solution" which is of the "problem-reaction-solution" cycle that David Icke likes to talk about very much. These in effect will create a new post-industrialization mass who this time are not for nationalization but globalization disguised under the new age and projects like the venus project who both boil down to the Georgia Guide Stones and of course the mystery religions.

Well, I pretty much agree, except on some of the details, such as david icke, project camelot, project venus, etc..

I don't want to argue back and forth about them, since I have already provided information that opens doors to show how these projects/researchers are counter-intellgence. But I'll just leave it with that as to not argue about specifics. We'll have to agree to disagree for the time being. My point is to just make sure we research both sides of the story, just because the people leading these projects, etc, may be genuine, but that does not validate the information. I'm not saying it isn't possible that some of the information is true, but when you look deeper into the origins of the information, and conspiracy culture creation from the establishment, questions have to be raised. They mix truth with fiction and push it so that people discredit the truth - and some of these projects/researchers, genuine or not, have bought into a lot of it - and have effectively become tools for the establishment, by disabling the minds of the victim by spinning the truth into outterspace.

If you research some of the links I have provided throughout the thread, it should at least open some doors to the reptilian, and alien dis-info. I never said Icke started the reptilian information or was the only one. He is just a superstar who champions it. It is an establishment created culture, well funded. Even in the middle ages they used the same techniques to do with making the public believe in reptilian/demon creatures. You can read about all of this and more if you take the time to do research on the new age religions and culture creations involving cia,mi5,mi6, crowley, blavatsky, etc. Like I said before I have provided links that will at least get one started on some of this info.

[realitydesign]

ZS is a pioneer. He was one of the first to get this ball rolling 30 years ago. He is not disinfo :naughty:- if anything he may be off on a few points but he himself believes and stands behind his work. Read through the guy's credentials.

At the very least he has done so much to open the minds of humanity greatly.


I believe his basic premise: earth history is riddled with ET (if you can call them that) involvement. Is EVERY detail correct?... probably not but give the guy a break...:lol3:

[ChristinCP]

Greetings :
Before anything, I honor the freedom of thought that every human being posseses. I will share with you all some data:
1) Sitchin is a scholar...Nevertheless that the whole system attacks him AND his theories,he belongs to the few that knows dead languages such as old summerian.
2) the u.s. Government has indeed sewed sitchin...they want to confiscate all his knowledge and thus preventing his words to be propagated. Does that fact tell you anything?
3) I have done my homework and investigated the data for years(15). What is of my knowledge is that he is 90% correct. He misses the fact that the lulu were created not only to serve as a working slave, but that this is part of a galactic plan to provide flesh in which divine sparks can incarnate in this planetary school of total free will.
4) Nibiru is a brown dwarf,hollowed and used as a galactic federation starship to seed worlds. Its orbit is not necessarily of a 3,600 years cycle.
5)sitchin, according to a top general in the mexican intelligence path, assured to me that the data provided was acurate,according to israeli,french canadian and chinese intelligence services surveys of the data.
6)the new southpole telescope observatory was built indeed,to track nibiru´s passage through our solar system....
And there is more....


I want to hear more!
:woot_jump:

[elirien]

Well, I pretty much agree, except on some of the details, such as david icke, project camelot, project venus, etc..

I don't want to argue back and forth about them, since I have already provided information that opens doors to show how these projects/researchers are counter-intellgence. But I'll just leave it with that as to not argue about specifics. We'll have to agree to disagree for the time being. My point is to just make sure we research both sides of the story, just because the people leading these projects, etc, may be genuine, but that does not validate the information. I'm not saying it isn't possible that some of the information is true, but when you look deeper into the origins of the information, and conspiracy culture creation from the establishment, questions have to be raised. They mix truth with fiction and push it so that people discredit the truth - and some of these projects/researchers, genuine or not, have bought into a lot of it - and have effectively become tools for the establishment, by disabling the minds of the victim by spinning the truth into outterspace.

If you research some of the links I have provided throughout the thread, it should at least open some doors to the reptilian, and alien dis-info. I never said Icke started the reptilian information or was the only one. He is just a superstar who champions it. It is an establishment created culture, well funded. Even in the middle ages they used the same techniques to do with making the public believe in reptilian/demon creatures. You can read about all of this and more if you take the time to do research on the new age religions and culture creations involving cia,mi5,mi6, crowley, blavatsky, etc. Like I said before I have provided links that will at least get one started on some of this info.

I agree with you to disagree then :) I loved that sentence about how they put a veil on truth by ignoring it and the ignorant sheople that follow them put the same veil on their heads. I'll have a look at your links Doom and I have looked through people's research on the new age (some radio programs and articles from cooper, frank lordi, chris white) If I have the time I want to read Constance Cumbey's and Blavatsky's books on the matter to at least see what people get so fascinated about. I just see the same pattern in all of this. If someone gets closer to the truth something else tries to cover up that fact and focus you/me to some crazy bs that you can't control or reach. It's also interesting to see that these people defend their stand point that they researched for 40 years these things. I mean you have to be quite the blazing moron or get paid for in some aspects to do the same errors for 40 years.

Take Care

[Heretic]

you know

we, most of us know jack ****

at BEST we have fragments of information here and there gathered over years of toil and a constant change in what we see as right or wrong

we weave them in to black and white realities that we can accept and be comfortable with

now I dont know about you, but when a deep insider comes out with earth shattering info like this (yes I too discounted Sitchin as "the enemy" and you will see this in my previous posts) I tend to start questioning everything I know and begin research again to try and discern the information for myself

this is new information someone is telling you, I suggest digesting it because ignoring it or just turning it off will do nothing to increase your knowledge base as it will only breed info stagnation

IMHO it would not be prudent to discount something outright based on assumption and conjecture, especially someone else's work from a website, who could be just as corrupt as you suspect Sitchin to be

I am aware of Arizona Wilder and have taken it into account and there are many possibilities to why she saw what she saw (IF she saw...corruption could be anywhere)

let your knowledge evolve and don't shut out new info to only preserve the old

where would you be now if you had been constantly rejecting new info?

BTW I have no idea if he is right or wrong so I am not selling anything

Yet I do realize I am an armchair researcher with no ties to any black world or privy to insider info, and when someone with clout and a background to know such things comes out and informs me of something I had once discounted...

I will not accept it because they told me so

but

I also will not discount it because someone else told me so

think for yourself

in any case, a wise person in this site mentioned on another thread:

what may be garbage or disinfo for you could be a catalyst for an awakening for another

none of you have proof either way

are you here to learn information or just to blindly judge it?

[Nebula]

Its been interesting watching this conversation go as it has. Its been awhile since i read Sitchin's material and and i plan to reaquaint myself. There alot more info out there regarding Nibiru and the Anunnaki and I hope to add more to this topic.

[motov]

delighted to see that im not alone about sitchin, as i thought i was for years...:cup::sweatdrop:

[Brinty]

I have no idea if he is right or wrong so I am not selling anything

Yet I do realize I am an armchair researcher with no ties to any black world or privy to insider info, and when someone with clout and a background to know such things comes out and informs me of something I had once discounted...

I will not accept it because they told me so

but

I also will not discount it because someone else told me so

think for yourself

in any case, a wise person in this site mentioned on another thread:

what may be garbage or disinfo for you could be a catalyst for an awakening for another

none of you have proof either way

are you here to learn information or just to blindly judge it?

I'm with you all the way Heretic.

I'm reminded of how Adamski was rubbished back in the 50s and 60s but now, some of what he wrote about his experience is being confirmed. The same goes for Immanuel Velikovsky around that same period of time. Once again, many of his outrageous claims have been proven.

So, exercise caution in what you accept as truth, but don't reject anything out of hand just because it doesn't fit on your page. It may just turn out that you need to get a bigger book.

[Doom]

what may be garbage or disinfo for you could be a catalyst for an awakening for another
disinfo is not going to wake anybody up. of course things that some people might percieve as disinfo , compared to what others percieve as dis-info will be different. but that doesn't make dis-info truth. We have to work together to determine what really is dis-info, and help others to see that - so that people who "wake up" don't fall for all the psyops set up to misdirect them.

none of you have proof either way
actually there is, that is the point - there is proof that sitchin's info is false, from the very fine details to the entire broad general ideas and beliefs proposed by such theories. The proof is in his own work - it doesn't add up. It can only add up when fantasy and falsified information is added. As well, there are many declassified cia documents showing how the new age was set up and would be used(including such far out techniques as making the public believe aliens rule the world), as well it would be benificial to study all other history involving the new age culture creation, such as blavastky's writing, crowley's, etc.

are you here to learn information or just to blindly judge it?
I believe I have responded to comments like this a few times already in this thread - No one is blindly judging, I am advocating looking into all sides of the story rather than just sitchin's. I have researched sitchin thoroughly for many years. The problem is people aren't learning about the new age, and conspiracy culture creation - and because of it they are buying into lies, that are only backed up by other lies. It's a major psyops to keep us from the real truth.

let your knowledge evolve and don't shut out new info to only preserve the old. where would you be now if you had been constantly rejecting new info?
No one is rejecting new info, in this case with sitchin, it has not been rejected, but researched and studied and then objected on as being false. This is not mainstream debunking like popular mechanics i'm talking about either, this is truth research that has exposed how this culture has been set up to mislead us and how sitchin is a part of it.

IMHO it would not be prudent to discount something outright based on assumption and conjecture, especially someone else's work from a website, who could be just as corrupt as you suspect Sitchin to be

If you are refering to the cuttingthroughthematrix.com website and Alan Watt, you are correct, no one should listen to anyone without researching the information for themselves. but all this is all researched and referenced in major publications, declassified CIA documents, etc. It stands on it's own without a medium to tell you about it, I have simply found Alan's website to be the most direct, uncensored source - acting as a short cut to start people out - to introduce them to books and these areas of study that people aren't doing for themselves - so what people actually need to do is research the books, blavatsky's, crowley's, declassified CIA documents about New Age culture creation, etc. for themselves. And I am just trying to get people to do the same thing as Alan is trying to get people to do, research things for themselves, eliminate the medium and see what the information really says.



I'm just asking that people learn more about the techniques used to control us, before thinking they have found solutions in some of these "theories" such as sitchin's. Because the more you learn how they control us, the better you are able to not buy into any of these scams. once aware, we have to get a better understanding of what we are aware of, before we can fix anything.

Based on your logic, you should at least research more into what I'm saying, considering you have already researched sitchin's side of the story, and most likely already know from being bombarded the mainstream's side of the story (imho the mainstream pushes sitchin's side of the story as well as the mainstream debunker's side of the story - they play off each other). Remember, there's always more than 2 sides to the story, and the answer is never black and white, but usually grey.

Even if I was wrong, and that me asking people to look into how Sitchin is illegitimate might be dis-info itself - is it not at least as worthy of being looked into as Sitchin's? The truth is tough to swallow, and most of us WANT to believe in these fantastic stories put out there that aren't true at all(like Sitchin's) - we've been trained to do so by fiction, by predictive programming.

[Doom]

I'm reminded of how Adamski was rubbished back in the 50s and 60s but now, some of what he wrote about his experience is being confirmed. The same goes for Immanuel Velikovsky around that same period of time. Once again, many of his outrageous claims have been proven.

So, exercise caution in what you accept as truth, but don't reject anything out of hand just because it doesn't fit on your page. It may just turn out that you need to get a bigger book.

Exactly. The truth is very outrageous - but that doesn't make anything that is outrageous, truth. My fear is that people haven't read the "bigger book" into culture creation, and the new age. Because I feel that if people do, they would be more equipted to identify dis-information. For example, I think I mentioned this earlier, the new age coined the term "open mind", and it doesn't actually mean to be open to information that doesn't fit your world view - it means that they want your mind open to programming. So open that you'll accept anything as reality. Anything they want us to believe. The new age culture was set up to bring in a new religion, and it was set up to first be accepted by those who don't go along with the majority. It is designed to destroy the mind of those who question their percieved reality. And it works, because most who buy into the new age, don't even know they are new agers.
As Adam Weishaupt said:
"Oh, foolish man, what can you not be made to believe?"


You see they have a very old system, and this is the age/time where they are bringing that system down and bringing a new one in. And because of this they are the ones who are first to put out dis-info that shows some truth(how the old system was a con-to gain followers), and then mixes it with fiction and new age beliefs, so that when others come out with the real truth afterwards, it is discredited and associated with the ficitonal conspiracy culture that they created that helps lead us down the path to their new system.

first they introduce the cultures by setting up their foundations with massive funding using music, movies, books, etc., and once those are established, and people fall into them, the people become conditioned to accept the new system. And so you got all these confused truth seekers buying into one or more of these some of these top down created conspiracy sub-cultures, thinking they are opposing the establishment, when infact, the culture is just perpetuating the new world order into it's final stages.

[Heretic]

disinfo is not going to wake anybody up. of course things that some people might percieve as disinfo , compared to what others percieve as dis-info will be different. but that doesn't make dis-info truth. We have to work together to determine what really is dis-info, and help others to see that - so that people who "wake up" don't fall for all the psyops set up to misdirect them.

Dis-info does wake people up, otherwise how do you account for all the people here who have different backgrounds based on different info/dis-info.

I am a walking example of how dis-info can wake you up as I was heavily into the new age blavastky, Godfre Ray-king 30 years ago, it woke me up and by the nature of my new ability to discern I found that my source was flawed which allowed me to move on to other stuff and here I am.

Todays truths are tomorrows lies - the very nature of mental evolution and even life itself. It is the mistakes we make that build our truths. Are you saying that mistakes are worthless and fruitless?


actually there is, that is the point - there is proof that sitchin's info is false, from the very fine details to the entire broad general ideas and beliefs proposed by such theories. Sounds like belief to me. Is there real proof that Sitchen's work is false? Where is this proof and while your at it define proof for me because I am missing something here as I always thought that proof was based on imperial evidence. We have NONE on both sides of the argument here. If we had the slightest bit of proof for any of the conspiracy theories we entertain, then they would not be conspiracy at all.

No one is blindly judging, I am advocating looking into all sides of the story rather than just sitchin's. just as I am, yet I keep an open mind and accept the fact that I could be totally wrong. Pardon if I am mistaken but may I quote you from your first post on this thread?

Absolutely, Sitchin is not legitimate. smells of judgment to me. and since you have no qualified expertise in the field that Sitchen is accomplished in I would also call that "blind", or just a repeat of someone else's judgment, which is probably also blind and motivated to debunk.

I have researched sitchin thoroughly for many years. The problem is people aren't learning about the new age, and conspiracy culture creation
As have I and I fully admit I have no proof one way or the other. Bob Dean's interview didn't sell me. But an insider is telling me to research Planet X even further, yet I will not be looking to Sitchen for that, I already know his story. I will looking elsewhere. Probably in the astronomical circles, because that is where the proof will show itself first IMHO.

Furthermore I am really interested in your findings on the connection with Sitchen and the new age movement. Could you post some of it or PM some of that info to me? An article or anything as this really interests me. Thanks.

It's a major psyops to keep us from the real truth.an entirely subjective statement an is in no way convincing to me that Sitchen is the boogy man (yet could be). Hell, I even suspect that those who are doing the psyops are also under a greater psyop. isn't that how compartmentalization works? You could be right, but my gut tells me you really dont know this as fact.

No one is rejecting new info, in this case with sitchin, it has not been rejected, but researched and studied and then objected on as being false. This is not mainstream debunking like popular mechanics i'm talking about either, this is truth research that has exposed how this culture has been set up to mislead us and how sitchin is a part of it.It could very well be. But isn't it a foolish gamble when you decide something isn't true without direct knowledge of it?


but all this is all researched and referenced in major publications, declassified CIA documents, etc. Now THIS would substantiate as proof. Can you post them or a link please, as I have never been exposed to them and would love to see what the CIA has to say about Sitchen?


I'm just asking that people learn more about the techniques used to control us, before thinking they have found solutions in some of these "theories" such as sitchin's. This is great advice. I recognize I could be under the influence right now concerning this information, do you?.

Based on your logic, you should at least research more into what I'm saying, believe me I am and will be doing so for a while. Have you ever read the terra papers or The Gods of Eden? They mesh well with sitchen's work yet Nibiru is an anomaly I have found only in Sitchen's work and I considered most of the history he presents as pretty good evidence (not proof). Yet there are still some things I have difficulty relating too. And I feel he tends to try to over prove himself by latching onto any new technology that relates to his work while he tries to convince us it is proof.


Even if I was wrong, and that me asking people to look into how Sitchin is illegitimate might be dis-info itself Dis-info is something that has been getting thrown around alot. Yet from where I am sitting, no one has the whole story and there is a good chance that the info that the best of the whistle-blowers and disclosers have could have been dis-info that THEY were fed. Combine this with the predisposition of the belief system they are attached to, as well as other information they simply cannot tell us, and you will find that we are not getting the whole story from anyone.

Bob Dean even says he lies to Kerry and Bill and this is no doubt due to the fact that he can only reveal so much. This is also true with other insiders. Perhaps even Zacharia Sitchen did this in his books. Point is, we simply do not know.

my take anyway

[Doom]

Dis-info does wake people up, otherwise how do you account for all the people here who have different backgrounds based on different info/dis-info.

I am a walking example of how dis-info can wake you up as I was heavily into the new age blavastky, Godfre Ray-king 30 years ago, it woke me up and by the nature of my new ability to discern I found that my source was flawed which allowed me to move on to other stuff and here I am.

Todays truths are tomorrows lies - the very nature of mental evolution and even life itself. It is the mistakes we make that build our truths. Are you saying that mistakes are worthless and fruitless?


Sounds like belief to me. Is there real proof that Sitchen's work is false? Where is this proof and while your at it define proof for me because I am missing something here as I always thought that proof was based on imperial evidence. We have NONE on both sides of the argument here. If we had the slightest bit of proof for any of the conspiracy theories we entertain, then they would not be conspiracy at all.

just as I am, yet I keep an open mind and accept the fact that I could be totally wrong. Pardon if I am mistaken but may I quote you from your first post on this thread?

smells of judgment to me. and since you have no qualified expertise in the field that Sitchen is accomplished in I would also call that "blind", or just a repeat of someone else's judgment, which is probably also blind and motivated to debunk.

As have I and I fully admit I have no proof one way or the other. Bob Dean's interview didn't sell me. But an insider is telling me to research Planet X even further, yet I will not be looking to Sitchen for that, I already know his story. I will looking elsewhere. Probably in the astronomical circles, because that is where the proof will show itself first IMHO.

Furthermore I am really interested in your findings on the connection with Sitchen and the new age movement. Could you post some of it or PM some of that info to me? An article or anything as this really interests me. Thanks.

an entirely subjective statement an is in no way convincing to me that Sitchen is the boogy man (yet could be). Hell, I even suspect that those who are doing the psyops are also under a greater psyop. isn't that how compartmentalization works? You could be right, but my gut tells me you really dont know this as fact.

It could very well be. But isn't it a foolish gamble when you decide something isn't true without direct knowledge of it?


Now THIS would substantiate as proof. Can you post them or a link please, as I have never been exposed to them and would love to see what the CIA has to say about Sitchen?


This is great advice. I recognize I could be under the influence right now concerning this information, do you?.

believe me I am and will be doing so for a while. Have you ever read the terra papers or The Gods of Eden? They mesh well with sitchen's work yet Nibiru is an anomaly I have found only in Sitchen's work and I considered most of the history he presents as pretty good evidence (not proof). Yet there are still some things I have difficulty relating too. And I feel he tends to try to over prove himself by latching onto any new technology that relates to his work while he tries to convince us it is proof.


Dis-info is something that has been getting thrown around alot. Yet from where I am sitting, no one has the whole story and there is a good chance that the info that the best of the whistle-blowers and disclosers have could have been dis-info that THEY were fed. Combine this with the predisposition of the belief system they are attached to, as well as other information they simply cannot tell us, and you will find that we are not getting the whole story from anyone.

Bob Dean even says he lies to Kerry and Bill and this is no doubt due to the fact that he can only reveal so much. This is also true with other insiders. Perhaps even Zacharia Sitchen did this in his books. Point is, we simply do not know.

my take anyway

dis-info won't wake anyone up, sorry I cannot agree that it can wake someone up.
Well...the only way it can wake someone up, is if it makes someone aware there's something going on, and then they look into it for themselves. Ie. If Sitchin makes you aware there's something crazy going on, but then you look into it and relize there is some crazy going on but that Sitchin's info was set up to mislead anyone who dared question their reality. Then Dis-info can wake one up. But most likely it will just lead them on a journey chasing your imagination around in circles. And it is hard to break out of because so much has been pushed out by the establishment that people think is waking them up, when it is actually disabling the victims minds.

That's my point, stop getting the info from "whistle-blowers" and "disclosers" who are fed the dis-info or have been set up to put out the dis-info. go to the sources yourself, the documentation from the establishment, and you will see 95% of these people are mislead or liars. The real big players really running the world don't write about aliens, or reptilians, etc. because there aren't any. (aren't any here involved in anything anyway - i don't doubt there is life elsewhere in the universe). Just take a look how much establishment mainstream media support there is for aliens/reptilians/ancient astronauts. It's everywhere, much of this is documented in links I have previously provided. Like I said before as well, they put out the mainstream debunkers, and the mainstream conspiracies, and play them off each other to advance their agenda.

I have posted a list of over 100 books in this thread:
http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?p=11144
Many by the elite. Please check them out if you haven't.

I also should say that the declassified cia douments I'm refering to (sorry i don't have direct links - For at least one, if you can find it, CIA has declassified information about a booklet/magazine the CIA put out in the 50s called "The New Age". ) don't specifically refer to Sitchin, they refer to the setting up of the new age culture - they refer to things like creating the belief in people's minds that aliens were here in the past and created us. Almost all supporting evidence of this theory is false, and a part of the same major psyops. They want people believing this, because then the people who do have already been defeated - They disable the mind of the victim.

[elirien]

The three thousand year old space module was 25 year old plaster!

It became evident that The alleged three thousand year old Space Module that was hosted by the Archaeological Museum of Istanbul was in actuality made from plaster 25 years ago.

The space module which was found “matchless” by museum curators, found as a three thousand year old space module of the Urartu Kingdom many headlines to news in the western press. But conclusions of the Ministry of Arts and Culture Memorial and Museums department chemical and petro-graphical analyses proved that those theories didn’t agree with historical reality.

There is various and contradicting information concerning how the artifact came to the museum. One of the theories is that an antique merchant brought it to the museum. The space module, which has five engines is 23 centimeters long and 9,5 centimeters high. The General Director of the Museum Ph. D. Alpay Pasinli said that, the artifact could not be from three thousand years, but rather from 25 years the most. Pasinli, who said that we should remember that the western press convinced their public that the space module was three thousand years old, added that they have confirmed that this artifact was made out of plaster and marble dust through the results from analyses.

The space module, which became one of the most popular artifacts of the Istanbul Archeological Museum and was sought after by western scientists and media, was written about in tens of Articles in Europe and became news in many newspapers and television news casts. The space module which was sought after by German and English archeologists in the beginning of the 1990’s was for a long time secured in the preservation unit of the museum. The first who succeeded in photographing the space module was the English Magazine “Fortean Times”. The Magazine, which showed a picture of the sculpture and head lined “Is it an ancient space module?” in their October 1993 issue was followed by the German magazine “Magazin 2000”. After this event the competing firm of Magazin 2000, G.A.R.L. sent their editor to Istanbul and he shared his findings with the public. But almost all of the research and what was presented to the public was written in this manner: “It is confirmed that the space ship that is now in the Istanbul Archeological Museum was found in a archeological dig made in 1975 in the old city of Tuspa that is also known as Toprakkale. It is in the northeast of the Van lake where the Urartu Kingdom spread between 830-612 BC.” After these allegations were made it was written that it was in the Istanbul Archeological Museum but not on public display.

Zecharia Sitchin, linguistic and Bible scholar and writer of the book “The 12th Planet”, made the greatest research on the controversial “Space Module”. Sitchin, who came in the beginning of the 90’s to Turkey came in the forefront of the people that claimed that the Space Module was three thousand years old. Sitchin made these remarks after the sculpture left the preservation unit of the museum and was presented to him on a velvet tray: “The object, was made out of a porous material that could probably be a stone made out of volcanic ash. The bends and amazing amount of detail disproves that it was made from raw labor. Was it really a plaster caste that came out of a plastic toy as claimed by the museums official explanations? It doesn’t seem that way.

There are various and contradicting information concerning how and from where the “Space Module” was brought to the Istanbul Archeological Museum. The most popular idea is that an antique trader brought the sculpture and after realizing that it was fake he didn’t pursue it. The Space module which is 23 centimeters long, 9,5 centimeters high and 8 centimeters wide has five engines. There is also a pilot figure on the small sculpture that has bent his knees reaching its chest. The clothing of the pilot resembles the space suits that astronauts wear.

Zaman

source: http://arsiv.zaman.com.tr/2003/04/30/kultur/h6.htm (in turkish though, I translated it).

[Doom]

Cool. Yea, I've read many similar reports about the Crystal Skull not being the true artifact it is made out to be either. I can't say for sure with what you posted and the crystal skull, but I can say for sure that many, many, of these evidences for all this type of stuff has been forged/made up/etc..

[zorgon]

Comet NEAT 2000/V1[/URL]) that was twice the size of Jupiter, which should have at least pulled Mercury into the sun based on conventional celestrial mechanics, but didn't.

It was Comet 17P/Holmes that was twice the size of Jupiter and not NEAT... Holmes eventually grew as large as the sun before it receded...

It did not mess with any orbits as it was the ejection of gases that made it that large, not the actual mass...

Funny how he missed that :tongue2:

[zorgon]

When people donot understand something, they will critize and discredit you!. Case and example with ZSitchin. With all information, you have to research and check it for yourself. I believe in what Sitchin is saying. Now i have a question for you!.


Well that is fine... but may I suggest that you ACTUALLY research what Sitcins DOES SAY?


I shall Quote Sitchin....


Nibiru settled into a clockwise orbit (equal to 3,600 orbits of Earth
around the Sun). Nibiru stabilized into a clockwise orbit, equal to
3,600 orbits of Earth around the Sun until 10, 900 B.C.E., when
Nibiru arrived earlier, due to increasing drift from Solaris of
Uranus. Uranus' gravity sped Nibiru's orbit. As a result of this
close encounter between Nibiru and Uranus, one of Nibiru's moons,
Miranda, was captured by and became a moon of Uranus as Nibiru and
Uranus pulled at each other. From 10,000B.C.E. on, Nibiru's
revolution sped to 3.450 Earth years; which makes Nibiru's next
return 2900A.D. rather than 2012 as predicated on the earlier 3600-
year orbit

Sitchin, Z., 2007, The End of Days, pages 315 - 317


Now if Bob Dean believes Sitchin and qoutes Sitchin... why does he say 2017ish when Sitchin says 2900 AD?

As you say RESEARCH... something I do well....:tongue2:


Is there any other researchers prior to Sitchin with the same research, insight and info?

On Nibiru? No...

On Sumerian? Yes...

Mike Hieser says Nibiru means crossing point or gateway...

Perhaps indeed the Sumerians had access to a Stargate...

Now Sitchin based Nibiru on one cylinder seal..

Well I have several that show they had a stargate... :wink2:

And there is no misinterpretation that it represents a gate...

Ea stands in his watery home the Apsu
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/42stargate/04images/Sumarian/abzu2.JPG

Enki walks out of the watery gateway to the land.
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/42stargate/04images/Sumarian/enki.jpg

Their is a good possibility that the Abyss in Revelations is indeed this same gateway...

Abydos
also known as Abtu or Abdju
Abzu
Sumerian name for the Abyss...
Abyss
Biblical watery gateway...

Abyss = Abzu = Abtu = Abdju = Abydos

From an excavation in Abydos
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/42stargate/04images/Abydos/abydos01.jpg

So there are other possible interpretations :wink2:

But Sitchin sells books and has now a cult following...

Believe as you wish... but personally I 'favor' the Stargate concept...:smoke:


And so does Giovanni di Paolo, a painter from 1445,
"Creation of the World & Expulsion from Paradise"

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/42stargate/04images/Christian/10002.gif

[Doom]

REgarding that painting from the 1500's, Even back then they were into puting out media to control the minds of the public, plays that were mandatory to attent, and lots and lots of art from painting to sculptures, they of course loved to scare the public with lots of gargoles. They have been creating myths of things that come from the skies for many ages. Though I can't say for sure about that particular painting, it's meanings etc., but I would have to suggest that does not have to do with a stargate.

If we read the Sumerian tablets, it’s no different from ancient India or Ra of Egypt where the God inseminates himself and all the rest of it, etc.. He has sex with the spirit of the air. It’s all to do with spirits, you understand, not people. There are no references to "stargates" in my opinion.

the engraving of the 'helicopter' and other 'craft' is acutally a picture that is a composite of two quite ordinary hieroglyphic texts laid over each other. The appearance of the helicopter on the artefact was actually an artefact itself, and was formed from two separate hieroglyphs.

[Heretic]

dis-info won't wake anyone up, sorry I cannot agree that it can wake someone up.
Well...the only way it can wake someone up, is if it makes someone aware there's something going on, and then they look into it for themselves.

From this I believe we think alike and we just mis-communicated because this is all I meant.


I am about to do some heavy research on all this myself because I have pretty much discounted Nibiru as garbage and Dean's testimony is urging me to look into it further.

didn't Burish discuss a stargate in Iraq? Same one maybe?

hmmm

My stance on all this? - undecided and seeking answers

just another paradigm to add to my collection

HAH!

[Doom]

From this I believe we think alike and we just mis-communicated because this is all I meant.



Agreed, my point is just that, more often than not, dis-info won't get the person to look more into whats behind everything, but will just get them looking deeper into the dis-info. But yes, it does happen that some people start with dis-info, but then with the relization that such deception is out there, will question the dis-info, and eventually actually wake up.

[Heretic]

Agreed, my point is just that, more often than not, dis-info won't get the person to look more into whats behind everything, but will just get them looking deeper into the dis-info. But yes, it does happen that some people start with dis-info, but then with the relization that such deception is out there, will question the dis-info, and eventually actually wake up.

agreed

it greatly depends on the person and their thirst for knowledge, and how easily satisfied they are, I am never satisfied and perhaps I just couldn't see beyond that


peace

[Connecting with Sauce]

Is it possible that with time travelling UFO's some of these stone carving's could actually be sent back in time to be disinfo?

Just throwing in a curve ball there to this discussion.

[Heretic]

Is it possible that with time travelling UFO's some of these stone carving's could actually be sent back in time to be disinfo?

Just throwing in a curve ball there to this discussion.

I have heard it said that a group did just that.

set our past up to support their benevolent presence so we would see them in the light they wish

I have heard alot of things though, and many of them conflict

interesting times eh?

[Doom]

Is it possible that with time travelling UFO's some of these stone carving's could actually be sent back in time to be disinfo?

Just throwing in a curve ball there to this discussion.

I'm going to have to say no, because there are no time travelling UFOs.

If you look back to some of the links I gave, it explains in one particular instance how erich von daniken(author of Chariots of the Gods) paid some mexican children to do some of the "ancient astronaut" stone carvings etc. that he used as evidence.

[Visvasa144]

Please see this video part1 and 2.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1wsLOJ7Tvw

please realize that most or all the information that your using to rebuke his claims or facts are based on others information that most likely is a disinformation smear campaign to steer everyone away from the truth of who we and how we came to be as human beings. i've heard tons of things said about sitchin being illuminati and meeting with the vatican. im not saying 100% everything is true but FOR THE RECORD. Nibiru is a real. The ANNUNAKI do exist.
They created what is now called the cadueces or entwined serpents ans much much more.

you dont have to like sitchin. it doesnt matter. dont sell yourselves short in not believing that the ANNUNAKI exist. who do you think are our archangels? everyone of them are ANNUNAKI. is that a shocker too? what about JESUS? everyone wants proof. mostly everyone is searching outside themselves for the answers when all along all the answers have been inside all of us. its in our consciousness. its all up to yourselves to find it. but looking on a computer and doing "years" of "research" makes you question sitchin? question your own techniques and tools. the truth will always be.

Bob Dean said that he was informed that Nibiru's atmosphere is orange/yellow. thats true.


seeds of devotion and enlightenment,
elias.

[Heretic]

I'm going to have to say no, because there are no time travelling UFOs.

have to differ with you there, and I am hoping you can change my mind. if you even believe in "infinity" then you have declared that all things exist, this means 2000 years ago, as well as 2000 years from now exists, right now. Instead of being there, you are here instead.

There is no time, just as when you look outside the window of a car, things seem to move, but it is only you and your perception that move. We are merely moving along an infinite tapestry and our choice determine where on this tapestry we decide to go next. The only "time" that exists is now.

Even though it is hidden from your view, it is also 2000 years ago right now. Just as it is 2000 in the future, right now. Your now just happens to be here instead of there, because you lack the technology to make it otherwise (accept for memory).

check out Wilcock's work on the relationship between space/time and time/space. Not to hard to wrap your mind around the basics. Time...is spatially related.

FOR THE RECORD. Nibiru is a real. The ANNUNAKI do exist.


Judging by your "conviction" I assume you have more evidence than has been presented so far. I want to believe too, please help me with some more data found elsewhere beyond Sitchen and Dean if you have it. I really want to know!

Thanks

[Visvasa144]

Judging by your "conviction" I assume you have more evidence than has been presented so far. I want to believe too, please help me with some more data found elsewhere beyond Sitchen and Dean if you have it. I really want to know!

Thanks[/QUOTE]
hello Heretic,
My data isn't on paper though its well documented by, let's say, third parties. if i say, "Shamanism". what do you think of? natives dancing around a fire? eagle feathers? sometimes you have to learn the ancient techniques that are still available to this day. their taught to anyone who is willing to learn. does that sound strange to you? i'm learning every single second, also.

if you check out my blog you'll get an understanding of why i say this.

http://heavenlycatalyst144.blogspot.com

check out Wilcock's work on the relationship between space/time and time/space. Not to hard to wrap your mind around the basics. Time...is spatially related.

"time is spatially related?" i missed that lesson that day. i think i was day dreaming when in class as i usually do. day dreaming is a right brain function. so is creativity. so is the divine feminine energy. have you heard of something called "fluid intelligence?" its when a person can link random things or patterns without having to go though the "order" of "things". kind of like when you get an intuitive feeling about something. so if you can... lets say, jump to get info. then why cant you jump dimensions. everyone does it all the time. they just call it memory. what about day dreaming. big brother calls it "reality engineering".
why do you think we've got millions of gifted kids diagnosed with ADD or ADHD. the gov. is trying to keep these gifted people from accessing parts of their brain that do amazing but normal things.
space and time is only applied in dense realities like 3rd dimension. their really is no such thing as space and time or time space. of course theirs rules when on this earth and in your body but they all go away when its just your consciousness which really isn't just your consciousness, its consciousness.
your the gatekeeper.

flouride, gmo's, etc. all to keep the human being from being. being a vegetarian helps also. dont eat anything that feels pain or fear. yeah plants feel a little pain but its not like an animal being slaughtered
while still alive and screaming and convulsing in pain. the meat that people eat is filled with that pain and fear or energy. if you eat meat then you are giving yourself free reign for the reptilians. they thrive on those emotions. we are love.

if you want to see a graphic documentary about how people get their meat watch this.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6361872964130308142&hl=en

have you heard of the Mekaba? its that picture i have on my profile. its also called the chariot for good reason. you can go places.


seeds of devotion and enlightenment,
visvasa

[Doom]

have to differ with you there, and I am hoping you can change my mind. if you even believe in "infinity" then you have declared that all things exist, this means 2000 years ago, as well as 2000 years from now exists, right now. Instead of being there, you are here instead.

There is no time, just as when you look outside the window of a car, things seem to move, but it is only you and your perception that move. We are merely moving along an infinite tapestry and our choice determine where on this tapestry we decide to go next. The only "time" that exists is now.

Even though it is hidden from your view, it is also 2000 years ago right now. Just as it is 2000 in the future, right now. Your now just happens to be here instead of there, because you lack the technology to make it otherwise (accept for memory).

check out Wilcock's work on the relationship between space/time and time/space. Not to hard to wrap your mind around the basics. Time...is spatially related.





Sorry bud, already have looked into all that stuff. Doesn't change anything. I understand the science. There are no time travelling ufos. You can throw all the quantum science out there, even being able to prove the possibilty of it doesn't change the realtiy that there are no time travelling ufos. Just because something is possible doesn't mean it must be. BTW david wilcock is one of the last people on earth i'd take advice from.

[Heretic]

*shrug*

good times all




peace

[elirien]

Sorry bud, already have looked into all that stuff. Doesn't change anything. I understand the science. There are no time travelling ufos. You can throw all the quantum science out there, even being able to prove the possibilty of it doesn't change the realtiy that there are no time travelling ufos. Just because something is possible doesn't mean it must be. BTW david wilcock is one of the last people on earth i'd take advice from.

I can't trust his channelings one bit but the research he gathers sometimes is good and new. I don't know about the UFO bit but why couldn't there be time travel? I know it is off topic but if you have a higher dimension then time travel should be a piece of cake shouldn't it (if you have the means of course)?

On the UFO part I can just say this: It is important what we describe as a UFO.

[David]

are you here to learn information or just to blindly judge it?


Excellent point.

[Antonia]

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Perhaps indeed the Sumerians had access to a Stargate...

Now Sitchin based Nibiru on one cylinder seal..

Well I have several that show they had a stargate... :wink2:

And there is no misinterpretation that it represents a gate...

I found this post not so long ago on www.ashtarcommand.net search Secrets of Amenti it is very ineresting and talks of a very sepecial stargate that has been much fought over and is about to be opened again....


Blog post link:
“Secrets of Amenti” evolution with the ET s , i would recomend to print it out! it long!