Young people??? Teenagers???

[suchanawesomekid]

I'm pretty young but also fully awake and preparing myself for the ongoing shift of consciousness that will wrap our planet completely as we get through our celestial walk that's occurring at a galactic level.

My life is quite atypical for teenager my age, but that's ok. One day it will be clear why it had to be like that, as it is being made clear to me as I keep on walking time and space.

Fellows,

I just feel an extreme responsibility for myself, and then of course, humanity and my planet. And I know, very clearly, the role that children, adolescents like me and young people in general will have in the design and presentation of a new paradigm for the humans on planet Earth.

So...

Let's talk. I'm in Chicago at the moment, and will remain here for at least a couple of months. My journey will probably continue at a different location, but since the present moment (Now) is the most important element of existence, I was wondering if it would be possible to exchange ideas with young people about this new Earth that will be designed.

Peace out xx

[whitecrow]

I'm impressed. As one of the elders I keep an eye out for young folks who have their eyes open. I'll be hoping to see more of your posts.

[Humble Janitor]

I'm pretty young but also fully awake and preparing myself for the ongoing shift of consciousness that will wrap our planet completely as we get through our celestial walk that's occurring at a galactic level.

My life is quite atypical for teenager my age, but that's ok. One day it will be clear why it had to be like that, as it is being made clear to me as I keep on walking time and space.

Fellows,

I just feel an extreme responsibility for myself, and then of course, humanity and my planet. And I know, very clearly, the role that children, adolescents like me and young people in general will have in the design and presentation of a new paradigm for the humans on planet Earth.

So...

Let's talk. I'm in Chicago at the moment, and will remain here for at least a couple of months. My journey will probably continue at a different location, but since the present moment (Now) is the most important element of existence, I was wondering if it would be possible to exchange ideas with young people about this new Earth that will be designed.

Peace out xx

Glad to hear. Always a good thing when younger generations can see the importance of the events in the world today.

[suchanawesomekid]

I'm impressed. As one of the elders I keep an eye out for young folks who have their eyes open. I'll be hoping to see more of your posts.



Glad to hear. Always a good thing when younger generations can see the importance of the events in the world today.


Thank you, thank you

It's not easy to reach out to young people like myself, but it's not too hard, it's just a matter of ** TUNING IN **.

An enormous mass of young humanity is genetically predisposed to understanding the totality of information there is available. Most don't know what it is they possess, and those who do know are scattered all over.

But then again, there's a beginning to every endeavor, right?

I personally will be using the discipline of music to convey unity, and I will do my best to use the mass media to our advantage.

I love this forum as much as I engulf myself in Camelot's interviews.

Peace to you elders.


xx

[Steven]

...It's not easy to reach out to young people like myself, but it's not too hard, it's just a matter of ** TUNING IN **...

I am very please to read your thoughts. You are obviously clever and have access to Knowledge.

Here is my thought surfing on your own words: "Tuning In".

I am in close relation with few adolescents in my surrounding (family). Of course, we share a lot about "Awakening" topics.

What impress me the most, is the Knowledge already in them. The thirst for more Knowledge about this topic. And the strong desire to share it with others.

I know you have a great role to play in the unfolding events on Earth. Here is a thread I made about a month ago. About the prime importance of children (from 0 to 15) in the world.

http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=3577

Here is a quote from a post you did earlier. It is pure Wisdom my friend. Your are a blessing for all of us. Keep posting. Stay humble, I am not glorifying you to feed your Ego, just stay yourself, simple, clear and humble. The Wisdom you carry is needed. And always keep learning...

Quote: "The planetary situation is not positive, yet it is very exciting. But we must be aware, not of what's going on or who did it or what happens behind the curtains, we are a little bit passed that stage, we must be aware so we can take righteous action.

RIGHTEOUS ACTION.

And trust in the present moment.

And the enormous power of our true mother, the Earth.

Mater Terra knows everything we think we know, and as it is her job to contain the Creation, she will support any good endeavor.

BUT WE MUST MOVE FROM OUR HEADS BACK INTO OUR HEARTS.

We must believe in what we cannot understand." End of the quote.


I bless you and your beloved and hope to read more of your posts in the future.

Namaste, Steven

[gatestar]

I just want to give you a big hug of gratitude!

[Merlin]

Hey Kid,

Welcome to the real world eh?
I like your idea of music and unity for that resonates with my own perspective. Music can touch you deep inside can it not.
Im an owl' fella but im still young inside where it counts.

Tolerance and understanding are key factors as you grow and learn.
I wish you the very best on your own personal journey into truth.

Good luck,

Merlin.

[Estarr]

hello! Im aslo a young person (is 22 still young?) but I've *known* that the world wasnt what it seemed since I was much younger. Ive sort of felt like an outsider growing up, my friends and people around me seemed to be only concerned about mundane bull ****. I never pictured myself as having an ordinary job or an ordinary life. I find that now that im out of school and working full time that my life is basicly robotic in my day to day actions. Wake up-shower-eat-go to work-sleep. I know that im not going to be happy doing this and i believe that many people feel this way but are too scared to admit it because they would have to live with that fact that they are trapped in the system. Working 40+ hrs a week doenst let a lot of time up to figure out how to escape robot society. So to all they young people I say start living your freedom right now and figure out how to make a living out of it. Dont wait till you have thousands of dollars of student loans or your paying a mortgage or your trapped in a bull **** job. Its not going to be popular to go against the grain but I guarantee it will be worth it. Of course its not impossible to change your life path, its something im doing right now, but it woulda been a hell of a lot easier if I knew where i wanted to go when i was a little younger. Kids are encouraged to follow the crowd, pic a school, pick a car, pick a job, pick a house. Screw that dont ever settle for anything! Create your education, create your job, create the life you want because no one is just gonna give it to you. Anyway good to hear from another young person keep up the good fight

[SoldierOfTruth808]

What up SAAK, Im so glad I randomly happend upon this thread... here is my take.


Im 26 years old, and just like you and Estar said, I also had the notion that the story that we had been told as children was not as it seemed. I mean were lied to as children, Santa Clause, the easter bunny, the tooth fairy even the smallest of lies is a reflection of the whole picture. But you knew that already, otherwise you wouldnt have found your way here. I also felt like amongst others I had a pretty good grasp of the idea that conflict and war really didnt seem to solve problems as much as perpetuate them, It always seemed that keeping a positive energy around me always difused situations and kept them off, shoot I made friends that way.... good friends, strong close friends. But you may have been aware of that as well because hell, youre here. I found that I didnt need to be what anyone wanted me to be, I found that my personal happiness and health was BOTTOM LINE because honestly without that I was just a slave sweating and bleeding for someone elses benefit whilest I wasted away in an ocean of servitude and debt. But you may also be well aware of that because as I said before...you...are...here....

This is my point, on behalf of our generation, DO NOT fall into that image of being an inferior youth. Dont let anyone condescend you and make you feel like just because youre younger that you have less of an awareness or idea of whats going on around you. You have eyes too, you have ears, you damn well know how to use them, and can use them better than people much older. In fact ill wager that HUMANS of our generation even have a better grasp on what oneness is and what its going to take to usher in this new way of life that we are heading for. Now im not saying that youre acting inferior or ANYTHING LIKE THAT. But its natural for the younger to feel as though they have less in ways of consciousness and intellect than those who are older than them, and thats just plain bullsh!t. Its just as much a form of social programming as anything else we learn about on these boards. I can say this true, because recently I have had so many debates with my elders that it is CLEAR that they have no grasp on the truth or even the comprehension of such things, I know that if worse comes to worse itll be me helping them to adjust and to survive. Hell a lot of the jack@sses on this very forum that have fist fights over the most unimportant issues are decades older than ourselves. Because we are younger does not make us inferior in awarness, or consciousness, or intellect. What younger really makes us, is the adults who will be in control on future dates such as 2012. The LEADERS of tomorrow who will have to pick up all the broken toys that our elders have been playing with for decades upon decades.

Never lose respect for those who came before you, but take the things they say as if you were reading a thread on this forum. Think of what theyre background may have been, think of what they have been through, think about what types of bias they may have, think of what kind of programming they have not yet transcended, be conscious of the fact that have struggles inside and out and what it may do to the way they think...think and question and think and question and THEN draw your OWN TRUTH. Draw your own truth because its clear, not even our elders know what were really in for, no one will know until that day.

Good luck Kid.... Good luck to all of us,
Roland K

[ashton3625]

Hey!

I am 18 at the moment and... everything happened to me earlier in the year around march when i was 17 still. But regardless... I am here too : ) I have one friend that had the awakening happen. Mine occured the first time i tried mushrooms... completly unexpected but very welcomed. I hope you are blessed on your journey and i know we can create peace together. I have just had an overwelming feeling to change the world... im sure u know what i am talking about. But its nice to know your out there too!

Ashton

[Orion11]

hello lil brothers,

i sometimes see a number of a given generation, and think... man, why dont they get it?

then people like yourselves come along,
and give allot of hope.

im 28 myself,
and lately i have been learning there are a whole lot more kids who are thinking for themselves with open hearts and open eyes.

Thank you
Blessings
:wub2:
Andy

[14all]

Kids are encouraged to follow the crowd, pic a school, pick a car, pick a job, pick a house. Screw that dont ever settle for anything! Create your education, create your job, create the life you want because no one is just gonna give it to you. Anyway good to hear from another young person keep up the good fight

Estarr,
I really resonate with this because I'm 20 and in school but am realizing that I don't want to just continue to 'pick a car, job, house' etc...I'm starting to figure out my own priorities and how I can make them a reality, instead of just doing what i'm told, essentially. I'm starting to learn how to do this and I hope you and all the other youngsters on this forum realize the power that we have inherently (free will). Just going along with what everyone expects makes you unhappy, and I am proof of this. Now that I'm starting to live for myself and my ideals i'm becoming more and more empowered to keep bettering myself. Suchanawesome kid deserves a digitial high five for this post bc I don't feel that the younger ages are represented very well on this forum--but we are definitely here!...and ready to start implementing personal and societal changes to positively effect the world. Power to the peaceful!! Keep it up everyone!!

All the best,
Kyle

[sleepybrown84]

It's good to know that there's other teenagers out there that are experiencing this "awakening". I'm 17, and i know it can be tough sometimes thinking about these kinds of changes, and your right.. it's not what most teenagers do. Hell, i used to be one of those ignorant people just thinking about the next party, or our next football game.

Just like Ashton up there, things starting changing for me when i tried psychedelics. They can be a real catalyst to awakening from this 3d life we live here on Earth.

This is my 1st post and i just felt I had to write something in this thread, and to all the other teenagers in this forum.. give a shout! Let us know you're here! Anyways that's it for me, peace and love.

Mark

[Jnana]

Okay young people, here's a problem I could use some help with. I'm attempting to mentor a 15 year old who is very aware of the mess the world is in. He is very upset by all of the people who don't understand how much damage they are doing to the world and themselves. He cares more about animals than people. He would just as soon kill the people he sees as harmful. Seriously. Not that I think he is about to act on that, but he says he would not feel bad about it. We discussed this at length yesterday and I started telling him about concepts such as Karma. He has little knowledge of such things, but seemed interested. What might make him understand and feel his connection with other people with the same intensity as his feeling for animals? He's had a rough life so far. Any ideas?

Sorry if this seems like hijacking the thread, but I could really use some help here. Consider it one discussion topic among many.

[sleepybrown84]

Hey Jnana,

I think that he might just need some more exposure to the world, especially with kids his own age. Maybe he could join a sports team? Or some sort of club? Is he in school? Any school activities he enjoys that could be done with other kids?

I can understand how he feels, I was similar when i was younger.. was always interested in animals and nature. Actually, maybe this can be his tool to interact with others and see that not everyone is bad! Are there any sort of groups that get together to explore animals/biology?

Maybe even a trip to the museum will spark that sense of appreciation for the world, you never know. Hope that helped! Good luck,

Mark

[IronWoman]

i feel the same way.. and it's true, we have a huge responsibility! (i turned 19 a few days ago)
i always think bout the future.. and one day when i have children... they will have a different upbringing than most of us here... no brain-washing, etc

and 4 the coming events'- i feel like i have a responsibilty to at least lead some ppl, help them.. in any way i can.. since i have a clue of what is actually happening..

most/all ppl around me are not yet awakened.. and when i try to "tap" a fuse that will light their minds eye.. (talk of 'awakening') they just listen.. but after that- they are normal as ever.. too caught up in other things.. ya kno?

ehm i dunno..

i just want change!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

.. what a sad world

by the way SUCHANAWESOMEKID-- how old are you??
and i'm glad you have awakened.. and that ur helping others realise shi*.. SO GOOD JOB!

[SoldierOfTruth808]

So far this is the best thread of information that I have ever read on this forum. Were all apart of the same generation and all of us are simply speaking from personal experience, things we picked apart and learned simply from using compassion and intuition. Things we werent taught in school. Like I said, I believe our generation is has a good grasp on what it will take to usher in a new way of life for our future. This is a good thread, this is quality s#!t, no debates just honesty and light. Represent young people!

....and they wanna know who the indigo children are? :smoke:

Jnana... Thats a tough one, how do you show someone that what they feel is good, but to learn to balance it. I mean having such a passionate care for Nature and the Earth itself cannot be a bad thing, not by any means. But how to get him to understand balance and how to use his feelings for positive and not channel it negatively, that sounds tough. How do you teach someone to have compassion towards people causing harm? I think Karma is a good start especially if he shows interest. It sounds like you would be successful if you used spirtuality (not religion, but spirtuality) to reach him. He sounds open to that. Id bet that if you took a survey, a lot of us could trace times in our early life that we had issues and occurances, on some level of the scale, similar to this kid.

[dayzero]

Hello magnificent young people!
What a good thread to read.
You are all stepping up to the plate with great style.
i'm a young 37.

A couple of the posts here are to do with psychedelics, and one of the people who helped us all in the 80's was Terrence McKenna with his inspirational attitude to phsychedelics, human evolution, the future of us humans and
how wrong we [esp the 'west'] have got things..in soooo many ways!
This planet and us humans were never meant to be like it has been, and we know this truth to be self evident.
It was from him that I found out about 2012 [what he called timewave zero]
He was a total inspiration, and his voice has a lovely hypnotic quality, and he was also extremely funny whilst tackling some serious subjects.

Here's a film of one of his lectures, i can't recommend him highly enough;

'Terrence McKenna; Seeking the Stone; Part 1'
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6088867521723616224



Full power to you all. :thumb_yello:

[suchanawesomekid]

I HAVE TO SAY I am real happy I started this thread.
One can learn from so many people, so many things. And it's a never-ending process. I don't see any boundaries right now. I feel we are all neighbors.
And the time when humans and the Earth live in complete balance is coming fast.
There this guy Drunvalo Melchizedek, the coolest old man i've ever seen, and he says there is a spiritual grid that was put around the Earth.
He says everything is going to grow spiritually and there is nothing to stop it. That we might better be on another planet.
I see it all the time. Every time I take a train or a bus. Every time I walk. It's everywhere.
I love you people!!!


Gregg xx


I can understand how he feels, I was similar when i was younger.. was always interested in animals and nature.

hey Mark, same here.
i'm still totally into animals and nature tho. that hasn't changed one bit.

.. what a sad world (...)

by the way SUCHANAWESOMEKID-- how old are you??

it's a beautiful world tho. a totally amazing world.
i'm 17.
nice to meet you. Gregg xx


I'm attempting to mentor a 15 year old who is very aware of the mess the world is in. (...) He cares more about animals

I completely relate to what he means when he says he cares more about animals. I know exactly what he means.
It's kind of a complicated situation. But he's right. You see... this is something that was given to me...
when it comes to the universe... the human form is the only one that is able to stay away from the idea of perfection. because we manipulate things and make mistakes.
animals are not designed to manipulate. they exist in complete unison with themselves and the Earth. they don't make mistakes. they are absolutely perfect.
and it is OUR DUTY as human beings to PROTECT the flora and the fauna.
it is them who are perfect. not us.

i think that kid is on the right path, and you are lucky to be mentoring him.


It's good to know that there's other teenagers out there that are experiencing this "awakening". I'm 17, and i know it can be tough sometimes thinking about these kinds of changes, and your right.. it's not what most teenagers do. (...) Just like Ashton up there, things starting changing for me when i tried psychedelics. They can be a real catalyst to awakening from this 3d life we live here on Earth.

Hey Mark, I'm 17 too, and it's a real relief to know that people like us are becoming more common than usual. I don't need statistics, I just know. And people our age are going to have a hugeeee responsibility in the upcoming couple of years.
i've never had mushrooms, but yes some people have recommended it.
they do what ayahuasca does... they open the astral eye. i do thc, and i know for sure certain substances like thc are basic tools for the modern man honestly.
talk to you later bro. Gregg xx

I don't feel that the younger ages are represented very well on this forum--but we are definitely here!...

like Kyle here said it.... WE ARE HERE


I am 18 at the moment and... everything happened to me earlier in the year around march when i was 17 still. (...) Mine occured the first time i tried mushrooms... (...) I have just had an overwelming feeling to change the world.

Hey Ashton, I'm 17 now and to be honest the last 3 months have been insane with revelations and knowledge and amazing supernatural experiences. Totally changed my life forever.
you know... I've never tried mushrooms, some people have recommended it... i have a thc compound strict diet.
and yess i know what you mean.. the feeling of real change is so strong it's almost like change is real easy to do. i am very excited about everything lately really hahah


Never lose respect for those who came before you, but take the things they say as if you were reading a thread on this forum. Think of what theyre background may have been, think of what they have been through, think about what types of bias they may have, think of what kind of programming they have not yet transcended, be conscious of the fact that have struggles inside and out and what it may do to the way they think...think and question and think and question and THEN draw your OWN TRUTH. Draw your own truth because its clear, not even our elders know what were really in for, no one will know until that day.


thanks a lot. those were inspiring lines right there.
the understanding of anything is always relative to subject and circumstances.
the important thing is to let go of any old concept, simply let it go, because the present is preparing itself for an ENORMOUS future.


hello! Im aslo a young person (is 22 still young?) (...) Kids are encouraged to follow the crowd, pic a school, pick a car, pick a job, pick a house. Screw that dont ever settle for anything! Create your education, create your job, create the life you want because no one is just gonna give it to you.

dudeee 22 is totally young. it's like you are a plant and right now you are the ripest you will ever be.

and yes that's true all you said about the robotic life the system pushes people to want and consider the way to go. it's very sad indeed.
and what you say... to create one's education and job and everything that is EXACTLY what i have personally been doing for quite some time now.
it's exciting to feel intelligent. when you realize you are here and you count and you are unique and everything can be better.
did you know we have the technology and resources to end poverty on earth? that's something to think about.


Tolerance and understanding are key factors as you grow and learn.

Thanks Merlin. Tolerance and understanding sound like exactly what is needed.

What impress me the most, is the Knowledge already in them. The thirst for more Knowledge about this topic. And the strong desire to share it with others.

I believe it to be a genetic predisposition.
It seems to me the Creation provides what it's necessary. That is why evolution sounds like a such a logical idea, right?


Your are a blessing for all of us. Keep posting. Stay humble, I am not glorifying you to feed your Ego, just stay yourself, simple, clear and humble. The Wisdom you carry is needed. And always keep learning...

Thank you so much Steven, your words totally numb the already numbed illusion of separation. You know... I used to feel really lonely up until 3 months ago. Nowadays it's so easy for me to relate to everyone, no matter who, and this animal empathy fills me with the kind of strength you would rightfully expect from like a heavy armored shield. Sometimes I feel fear, most of the time anxiety, but always return to hope, like in automatic mode. The present is fascinating, but the future looks super amazing.
And that's what I'm always trying to do. Learn. Take Data In <<<

[omnicentricity]

I guess being in my twenties qualfies me as a youngster. I don't really know if "new paradigm understandings" (for lack of a better term) resonates with younger people or older people more, but I tend to experience that older people tend to be less receptive. Maybe this is due to the fact that being exposed to negative social conditioning for longer periods of time has a more intense effect, maybe not. I don't pretend to know. One thing I do know though, is that my idea of maturing (at this point in my life), is learning how to re-integrate all the states of being that I took completely for granted as a very young child.

Most people, by the time they become adults, will lose their capacity for youthful abandonment. They will never lose the CRAVING for it but they become psychologically starved because they have supressed the ability for so long.

This is pretty fascinating when you consider all the advertising with images of adults with big beaming smiles on their faces while using a product – but when you think about it, how many adults do YOU know who have the ability to have that much fun??

By my own personal estimation, fun is probably one of the least commonly experienced emotions among adults.

I notice that when most adults say, "I’m having fun" it’s more often a vacuous jargon that means "I’m interested in what I’m doing" as opposed to the ecstatic abandonment they enjoyed when they were kids.

Along these lines, as a word of warning which mirrors my own experience after delving into "alternative information sources" for many, many years now - make sure to keep in touch with the joyfullness of your youth. And EVERYTHING that exists for you to interact with, is there for the sole purpose of your learning.

There is SO much of this information that can have the lingering effect of fear and paranoia if you do not frame it properly into your worldview. All the negative stuff is just there for you to notice & learn from (perhaps in terms of "how NOT to be"). All the positive stuff is there to fuel your self-esteem, motivation and create possiblities in terms of what you can DO with the enlightened reality you experience as a result of the learning you have taken responsibility for.

I have at many times in the past, noticed myself slipping into thought patterns which are preoccupied with "what happened," and while this can be useful just keep in mind that you are focusing on the past. This can be like driving through your rearview mirror.

A much better alternative is ask yourself proactive questions like:
How am I creating possibilities for myself with what I am learning?
How is this relevant to what I can create?
What do I choose to do with this?
How do I feel about this?
How does this connect?
How much fun can I have sharing myself with others?

... to name a few.

Be aware of your intention, first and foremost. You are the only one who has absolute authority over how you choose to respond to anything you encounter.

Us youngsters are going to be running this planet soon... let's make sure we bring out the best in ourselves and others while this is happening :)

For what it's worth, from one noob to another :)

Here's some funny pictures, because I like them and here's a place to post them so why not...
a drawing by a friend of mine:
http://i466.photobucket.com/albums/rr28/omnicentricity/earthbff.jpg

a picture of a goat who dances to music:
http://i466.photobucket.com/albums/rr28/omnicentricity/dancinggoat.jpg

and what may perhaps be the coolest picture ever lol:
http://i466.photobucket.com/albums/rr28/omnicentricity/awesomegame.jpg

[oxjmaups2005xo]

whats up i know exactly what your talking about im 21 as of the moment but i always felt totally different and had deeper understanding of things since i was able to have clear thoughts and was able to remember them i remember my awakening of things started to happen when i was about 12 was when i was able to make sense of everything and put it together.

[taomation]

Beautiful thread. Wonderful words from all of you. I am so happy that this forum exists and that such a diverse group has come together to share their wisdom and intelligence. God Bless Avalon...Tao

[Deoxyan]

such an awesome kid seems to mean such an arrogant human.

[SoldierOfTruth808]

You got anything else to say besides that, Deoxyan? Whats your aim, when you made that statement?

[Deoxyan]

You got anything else to say besides that, Deoxyan? Whats your aim, when you made that statement?



my aim is to have an opinion. if you dislike it ignore it.

[SoldierOfTruth808]

Good point.... I should...

But honestly im kinda fascinated... I wanna know what you were trying to do when you said that. I mean what were you thinking? Literally... I wanna know, because I just dont seem to operate on such a petty level. Its fascinating to try and understand how people like you think. I mean what motivated you? Do you know him? Did he do something to you that made you think he was arrogant? Did the things he said make you feel belittled? Did it feel like he was condescending you? Does he make you feel uncomfortable? You have a phobia of 17 year olds?

....enlighten me.... Enlighten all of us, how can we learn to understand you?

[omnicentricity]

People with low self-esteem (LSE) tend to view people with high self-esteem (HSE) as arrogant.

This has been a near universal observation in my many years learning social dynamics. In social experiences, the only people who ever gave me the feedback "you are arrogant" tended to be people who did not think very highly of themselves (which is why they have a hard time relating to the modes of being HSE, full of love for yourself and others).

In my experience, this is what these kind of communications tend to mean. Your mileage may vary.

[suchanawesomekid]

I love this forum



such an awesome kid seems to be such an arrogant human.

good point deoxyan.
to be quite honest, i am always, and i mean always battling with my ego.
like for example, look at my user name. that wasn't me. that was my ego.
and now i'm screwed because i can't change it to something more neutral.
anyway i'm here and everywhere to learn. so that keeps me grounded i think. to know that i know very little about everything.
peace xx


God Bless Avalon...Tao

yess.. actually God has already blessed us with Avalon.
it's all blessings all over the place!!!!!! agggghhhh seriously
i just need to open my eyes and there's a blessing, right there, staring at me.
nice to meet you Tao.. Gregg xx


my awakening of things started to happen when i was about 12 was when i was able to make sense of everything and put it together.

cool.

my idea of maturing (at this point in my life), is learning how to re-integrate all the states of being that I took completely for granted as a very young child.

mr. omnicentricity... uhhh... that's your name, right? anyway... i agree with everything you've said on this thread so far... hope we can have interesting chats in the future. funny that chats means cats in french.

and yesss i think most humans especially in industrialized nations lose sense of what is really important as soon as they fall pray of the primitive but very effective mechanisms of control that are naturally put in place in a human environment. they forget who they are. i always pay attention to what children do and what they have to say. also creatures like cats, squirrels and spiders have a lot to say all the time.

maturing is a fantastic process. i see it unfold in my own self every day.

http://www.stephen.com/flowerart/beauty.jpg

peace avaloners :)

[Dean Plejaren]

Avalon Members.

This is a call to action. We are after resources, abundance, and empowerment of the individual. To live life to the fullest in freedom and allowing us to achieve our full potential.

So I am focused on starting a group for this purpose. To build our strength as a force that empowers the individual's freedom.

So this is what I prepose.
*Working as a group rather than individually.
*Having a strong direct focus to achieve empowerment of the individual and their happiness.
*Waging war on anything that obstructs the previous and overcoming it.

If we stay loyal to these principles we will win. On our own we can only do so much but together we are much more powerful.

Stay away from fake movements and deceptive distractions. Keep the focus.

This is the real thing.

Do you want to be involved in victory? You can now respond here so I know you are in agreement and interested in co-operating.

This is open to consider all ideas but the best advice will be a form of action to progress such an agreement forward. The ball is in your court. I will wait for your feeback.

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http://anamericanawakening.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/criticalmass.jpg

http://www.heebmagazine.com/files/photos/94/large/1243.jpg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YmR4cMs14p4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJVzPZYupOE

[Deoxyan]

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[suchanawesomekid]

I don´t trust in kids who think of themselves as awesome

hey
if you get one of the moderators of the forum to allow me to change my user name to something less egotistical, i swear i will.
just so i don't hurt you anymore
and then we can all be happy

:)

[Hypnotize]

hey!, i'm 17 so i guess that makes me young and i've been attracked to "fringe" subjects since i was about 12. cool to see younger people here.

[Suriel]

I think all kids are awesome. They are our future and the love magic of the Universe. I believe in you.

Love and Peace,
Kevin

[Dean Plejaren]

hey
if you get one of the moderators of the forum to allow me to change my user name to something less egotistical, i swear i will.
just so i don't hurt you anymore
and then we can all be happy

Your username is fine. Be proud of it. I like it. Don't change it for anyone.

[raulduke]

Whats up suchanawesomekid,

Good thread. I don't know how it escaped me for so long. I'm 26 and I don't think I will ever consider myself an adult. I feel wierd when the kids I coach call me sir instead of coach. Mr. "Duke" is my dad as I tell people who refer to me as such.

Youth is so important here I think, because those of us (youngsters) who resonate w/ these messages need to help interperit (in a palletable way) the occult(hidden) info for our contemporaries who may find it hard to focus on.
Our contemporaries may not always be receptive to this and many will ridicule as I've found, but I've developed a pretty thick skin, and I won't stop asking them to ask questions.

I sympathize w/ you having become aware of these predicaments we (humanity) find ourselves in presently at a young age. I was well out of high school and halfway through college before I started to look into the occult. I realise how hard I might have had it if I had been trying to get my high school buddies to look into the same stuff. The tin foil hats would have been made for me in a hurry I think.:lol3:

And refering to your screen name, who cares really what anyone decides to call themselves here, I certainly don't. I might be way off but I'm guessing that this name is something your parents or a mentor may have used w/ you.

The only thing that matters is the substance of what people write and how they communicate. Those things are many times more telling about any member than their screen name could possibly be.

For what it's worth, I think I'm awesome too. I think you're awesome and SoldierofTruth, ashton,Orion11,omnicentricity,Kevin, Deoxyan, etc...... I think humans are awesome in the strict definition of the word (expressive of awe). So in my opinion you have nothing to be ashamed of.

I don´t trust in kids who think of themselves as awesome, thats ridiculous; well, he thought, now he blames his ego, what a silly excuse, ok. And this particular kid is not awesome at all under my perspective.

That is a shame. You probably wouldn't trust me either then. What is your opinion of yourself I'm wondering?


do you really need to insult me more because i don´t want to have a discussion with you about my opinion?, you have to show respect, wich you lacked.


I've seen no lack of respect from anyone here except yourself.

Why provide your opinion if you are only going to refuse to discuss it?
Remember what Mom always said: "If you can't say something nice......."

I can only conclude that you wanted this member to feel badly. Am I wrong?

Why corrupt such a positive thread w/ such irrelevant negativity?

[pilgrim]

hey
if you get one of the moderators of the forum to allow me to change my user name to something less egotistical, i swear i will.
just so i don't hurt you anymore
and then we can all be happy

:)

Hey Kid,
don't you dare change your name, 'cos 'tis very apt.
This is probably one of the best threads I have seen and I have gained so much inspiration and hope for the future from it. Thanks very much to you and the rest of the wise 'young' people that have contributed.
My eldest daughter is 37 and the youngest 24, and I'm so envious of your wisdom at such a young age. I hope this doesn't sound patronising.., just speaking from the heart.
Good luck on your journey.

ps, you'll always meet grumpy people on your travels, so give them something they haven't got.. a smile.:original:

[Deoxyan]

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[raulduke]

(suchanawesomekid and all other positive posters: I'm sorry this thread was corrupted somewhat here, and I debated addressing Deoxyan at all. I'm sorry I did. I should have known that it would only elicit something silly like this. But I now feel/hope that it may be productive to address him once more. Fingers crossed.:original:)

raul, dont invent logic arguments to just tell me to shut up in a politically correct manner because i dont agree with you, that´s retarded, yeah?.

I grow very tired of the members whose posts consist mainly of provocative one line red herrings like this one.

What logic argument?

I never told you to shut up politicly correctly or otherwise. Just the opposite actually. I asked you several questions which you aparently ignored, only to perpetuate your victim complex. No one is attacking you here. We are simply wondering what you were thinking when you posted your original opinion.

You must see that that sort of negativity is unproductive. I mean look at where we are now. You've stated that we don't agree, but have done nothing to address the matter. I truly wouldn't mind some extended dialogue from yourself here. If you could explain how you've arrived at your opinion and why you think it necessary to divert from the OP intention, in order to state that opinion, that would be helpfull.

As I said, I'll continue to respond civilly towards you, if you can speak to any of my previous questions.

Thanks in advance.:original:

[Deoxyan]

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[raulduke]

Sorry i forgot to answer you because you put me in the negative party.

i don´t work on your frequency.

What i wonder is why you have to put me as a victim when i simply don´t agree on what you have said, the way you have said it. You know, we are extraterrestrial to each other, it seems.... so, pffff....


discussion ended.

That's about what I expected, I guess.

I had hoped for more though.

Oh well, I tried.

peace Deoxyan,
(I hope you find it.)

[pilgrim]

Deoxyan, I've something for ya!.., careful now.., it's contagious!:original: in fact, here's another one:original:

[SoldierOfTruth808]

I totally agree, I just cant understand why if someone knows full well that what they are saying is going to be recieved as negative, then why do they even bother to continue or defend themselves? We arent dumb, we dont want you to change youre opinion.... we just want to understand why you feel that way. We wanna know what would motivate you to take it this far? What frequency are we not operating on? Because it seems like more of us are operating on this frequency than whatever one youre on.

If you said you think hes arrogant because he talks very confidently and matter of fact like, I would have just replied that I thought he was excited about this frame of mind he has found. Were not looking at how much more we know than the other... Were just happy to know that there are others that know as much as we do... Thats exciting.

I dunno, maybe were at fault for misunderstanding his message. Maybe we just dont understand HIS frame of mind. Maybe us questioning his obviously antagonistic opinion is wrong, maybe we dont deserve an explaination of why he feels the need to proclaim that to all of us.

[Merlin]

Hey Lads an' lassies,

Lets get back to the topic at hand can we.
Whats in a name for crying out loud!
Kid, you are doing a fine job, F*ck em' if they don't like it.
Deoxyan if yer an' owl fella like your pic suggests, then I think you should know better.

Pilgrim!!! the lads in the pub were wonderin' where you went!
they think you've been abducted! Ha!

Merlin.

[dayzero]

Awesomkid;

Drunvalo Melchizedek,

i just watched the CMN film of him, amazing.

Deoxyan: you really need a word with yourself.

[dayzero]

Originally Posted by Deoxyan
I don´t trust in kids who think of themselves as awesome

This is out of order. Stop insulting people here.

[Merlin]

Awesomkid;

Drunvalo Melchizedek,

i just watched the CMN film of him, amazing.

Deoxyan: you really need a word with yourself.

Dayzero, can you provide a link for this film of Drunvalo, I would like to see it as I have read about Drunvalo in the past. Thanks if you can.

Merlin.

[2infinityandbeyond]

Since when is there something wrong with being awesome?

Every day when i wake up the first thing i think to myself is "i am so ******* awesome" .. then i go about my day real good and happy basking in the knowledge of my awesomeness. Because every single one of us is truly awesome, beyond what mere words can explain.

Its nothing bad to recognise your own divinity.

We only dislike others when they make us think about ourselves. (so let this be a lesson, tut tut etc)

But aside from that, deoxyan is entitled to his opinion. In fairness, noone should be bashed for that neither.

[Deoxyan]

you could stop harassing me because i deleted the posts i put.

[Anchor]

@All: Any more posts not on the topic (see the title) of this thread in this thread will get "moderated"

My thanks and respect for those that self edited.

Thanks.

A..
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Judge the message not the messenger.
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[Dantheman62]

Ah young people and teenagers, reminds me of Nirvana=Smells Like Teen Spirit, or Skid Row=18 and Life,or Youth Gone Wild:rasta::punk::cheers: You are the future of our world!

[Deoxyan]

Ah young people and teenagers, reminds me of Nirvana=Smells Like Teen Spirit, or Skid Row=18 and Life,or Youth Gone Wild:rasta::punk::cheers: You are the future of our world!

Nirvana, Kurt Cobain was always obsessed with the return to infancy. Remind me to this "Youth and Regression in an Infantile Society":

http://deoxy.org/infantile.htm

"by John Zerzan


Among the young there are quite a few examples of a tendency to regress or turn back. Whether or not these phenomena are characteristic of something called "Generation X" we must leave for media to determine; after all, it's their job to define and make intelligible social reality. That aside, I think there are aspects of regression that are noteworthy/possibly significant, and which need to be put in context.

Childhood was once a place of refuge, a secure zone of protection and innocence. For some time, however, as with every other part of life, the commodity and its attendant forms of violence have invaded this sphere. And yet it continues to represent a sort of haven, if some youth fashions are any indication. The waif look and Dr. Seuss-style clothes reflect this yearning to go back to a relatively better time and place. Seeing teens in oversized shirts and sweaters, for example, the sleeves hiding their hands, gives one a pronounced impression that they fear where they're headed and would like to be small children again.

As in the case of putting a question mark on every utterance, "like" bespeaks an indirectness that borders on fear of connecting with reality.
Popular forms of speech are another site of regression, it is possible to argue. Making statements into questions by the use of rising intonation is a type of stepping back from reality. The declarative sentence becomes an entreaty, "am I right in making even the most inoccuous assertion?" The speaker unconsciously questions his or her ability to say anything straightforwardly.

The infinitely overused "like", as ubiquitous qualifier, also seems to signify a reversion, or evasion of adulthood. As in the case of putting a question mark on every utterance, "like" bespeaks an indirectness that borders on fear of connecting with reality. "We like went to the beach." Did you go or not? Reigning pop culture screenwriter Quentin Tarentino cannot seem to refrain from "like" in his own speech, an instance of postmodern semi-literacy. In the high-tech age of virtual reality perhaps reality is becoming virtual in a less noticed sense than VR.

Non-literacy is in a very important sense a reaction to the tremendous accumulation of lies that comprises modern culture and everyday life.
Which brings to mind the tendency toward illiteracy itself. While certainly not confined to the young generation, this development is less one of others' losing their literacy than it is of youth having less interest in adopting it than in previous times. The young Sartre once proclaimed that "No-one has written a word of truth about us." Non-literacy is in a very important sense a reaction to the tremendous accumulation of lies that comprises modern culture and everyday life.

Television, a passive and in that respect childish form of mass media, has never been so widely consumed. Today's youth are not the first TV generation, but are more and more subject to what is often even stupider than before. Sociologist Vicki Abt revealed in fall 1994 her estimation, based on the study of 1,000 hours of Oprah, Donahue, and Sally Jessy Raphael, that 90 percent of the guests are illiterate. She draws the unmistakable conclusions as to the effects on viewers' literacy levels. To be obsessed with entertainment is reportediy a characteristic of "twentysomethings". And why not? Who could feel more betrayed in the desert of late capitalist nothingness than those most immersed in its recent worsening, and more desperately in need of diversion from its horrors?

Today's music exhibits the themes of regression with a vengeance, or, I suppose one should say, without a vengeance. Doe-eyed gamin Kate Bush ("Mother Stands for Comfort," "The Warm Room") tends toward a retreat to childhood, while album cover art displays takes on kiddies, dolls, and the like (from groups like Dinosaur Jr., Stone Temple Pilots, Mutha's Day Out, Babes in Toyland, Sonic Youth).
Nowhere was this more graphic than with Nirvana, whose third and final album was called In Utero. Returning to the womb was a recurring theme of Kurt Cobain, the anguished wail of one whose childhood could certainly not be taken for an idyll, in life or art. His regression was driven to its furthest point, in life and art.

If punk in the late '70s drew on a vital rage, rock today, to generalize grandly, is more about powerlessness, fear, violation, confusion. Not that any of this is exactly new. The notebooks of Theodor Adorno fifty years ago were the basis for his Minimalia Moralia, a collection of short pieces that was subtitled Reflections on Damaged Life. He referred to his own damage; life in divided society is no abstraction, it damages each of us increasingly. In The New Yorker (March 7, 1994), reviewer Terrence Rafferty complained that the movie Reality Bites failed to give a clear picture of the new generation; it left one feeling "puzzled and vaguely crummy." Soon after, a letter to the editor by Josh Cohen provided this reply: "I hate to be the one to tell him this, but feeling puzzled and vaguely crummy pretty much is the experience of the new generation."

Under "regression" one might add the seemingly more common occurrence of young adults returning to live with their parents. In a context of so few jobs that pay relatively decent wages, many cannot afford to do otherwise. Beyond that fact of life, there is a widespread rejection of white-collar careerism. But this refusal, in the absence of grounds for idealism, does not translate into freely chosen poverty or marginality. Thus, unlike the young in the '60s or even '70s, more choose to live with parents or accept, where possible, major support from them.

Depression has been widely touted as endemic to the twentysomething generation, which explains the resonance of books like Elizabeth Wurtzel's confessional Prozac Nation: Young and Depressed in America (1994). As psychologist Martin Seligman's best-selling 1990 Learned Optimism put it, "Severe depression is 10 times more prevalent today than it was 50 years ago, and it strikes a full decade earlier in life on average than it did a generation ago." Among the news of rising drug use and its incidence among younger and younger age groups, there were two national studies in 1994 concerning the "startling" increase of binge drinking by college students, especially women. 'They reported rampant alcohol abuse leading to violence, vandalism, and other types of aggression.

Such feelings and behaviors testify to frustration and despair that have nowhere to go when the social landscape is so frozen.
Such feelings and behaviors testify to frustration and despair that have nowhere to go when the social landscape is so frozen. Disaffection or even opposition are quickly marketed into salable style images; alienation as fashion. Meanwhile suicide, perhaps the ultimate regression, has been on a steady rise for several decades. And not just in the U.S., by the way. In Japan, Wataru Tsurumi's Complete Manual of Suicide (1993) sold over 200,000 copies in its first few months, chiefly to those under thirty.

Eating disorders are trademark afflictions of today's young people and mirror the powerlessness of one's very early years. To not eat harks back to the stage at which this choice is almost the only option for protest. Retreating from the world of school, occupations, etc., it constitutes, according to Kim Chernin's The Hungry Self (1985), "an extremely effective way to stop the movement into the world."

For the past couple of decades or so, the psychological model of the individual has been that of Narcissus, named for the self-absorbed mythological figure. The popular Culture of Narcissism by Christopher Lasch (1979) was part of the shift from the earlier long-standing Oedipus personality paradigm. Today's dominant type is now one of longing for the absence of unsatisfied yearnings, a harkening back to an original unity/wholeness/perfection. The young, as might be surmised, are pre-eminently bearers of this recently arrived ethos, one which is primarily defined as a regression. Narcissistic disappointment, often termed "unrealistic," cannot accept the essentially "mediocre" nature of ordinary life (Kernberg 1988). Thus it is easy to see that narcissism is part of a general movement away from sacrifice and repression and thus has subversive potential. Of course, it is also true that there are common weaknesses in this personality orientation, such as self-absorption which takes no notice of the nature of society and hence neglects to question it. New Age solipsism is a perfect example of this tendency.

All narcissistic types, according to Bursten (1986) are capable of flying into rages. This is related to the commonly-seen trait of narcissistic humiliation; the intolerable sense of injury and impotence contains the implicit threat of its forceful reversal. In this context, it doesn't seem out of place to mention that there has been, since the 1960s, a large literature linking narcissism and "terrorism."

Taking account of regressive features among some of the young, one has to recognize in these features at least a somewhat justified strategy, on whatever level it could be said to be such. The world that youth are expected to enter and reproduce is bankrupt, fearsome, and without prospects.

In fact, it is far more infantile in its workings and categories than in the defenses against it that youth erect for their own integrity. Not only, as a foundation of modern life, does the encroaching high-tech principle render us all daily more dependent; the institutions of society—and media is only the most glaring example—are themselves infantile and infantilizing. Who would legitimately feel anything but the need to "regress" in the opposite direction of such a non-future? "

[Dantheman62]

O.K. I read the article, but I think the young people on this forum are very articulate and intelligent regardless. I'm actually surprised alittle, because when I was their age I was just looking for the next party to go to, and the next girl to see, and the next drug to take. These people seem to have their s...t together!

[herbivore]

O.K. I read the article, but I think the young people on this forum are very articulate and intelligent regardless. I'm actually surprised alittle, because when I was their age I was just looking for the next party to go to, and the next girl to see, and the next drug to take. These people seem to have their s...t together!

true dat. yet i have to say we're still quite a minority.

[Dantheman62]

Maybe so but you guys are much better than me or any of my friends were at your age!, herb,HaHa herb, how's the herb, herb?!

[Deoxyan]

Maybe so but you guys are much better than me or any of my friends were at your age!, herb,HaHa herb, how's the herb, herb?!

i dont think they are particularly better, just that hey have another mission inside to achieve or something, unless you want to be like them and you are seeing you are really worse at the job O_o. For me, you don´t have to feel ashamed of the life you have had when u were teenager, it´s just completely out of place to think that. Good that you enjoyed it, :thumb_yello:

[Jacqui D]

Welcome to all you youngsters!:welcomeani:
It's so nice to hear that there is a younger generation awakening their souls and becoming the adults of our future.
As an oldie myself i smiled when i saw such opened minds and you have all given me hope that time to come will be left in your hands to take over.

Lets face it we haven't exactly left it in a good condition have we, you have the benefit of seeing change, you have the benefit to make change.

Love to you all :wub2::wub2::wub2::wub2::wub2:

[Dantheman62]

i dont think they are particularly better, just that hey have another mission inside to achieve or something, unless you want to be like them and you are seeing you are really worse at the job O_o. For me, you don´t have to feel ashamed of the life you have had when u were teenager, it´s just completely out of place to think that. Good that you enjoyed it, :thumb_yello:
Nope not ashamed at all, in fact it was a blast, and I don't think they're better just alot more articulate!

[Deoxyan]

Nope not ashamed at all, in fact it was a blast, and I don't think they're better just alot more articulate!

mine was a ****.:bored:

[Dean Plejaren]

Welcome to all you youngsters!:welcomeani:
It's so nice to hear that there is a younger generation awakening their souls and becoming the adults of our future.
As an oldie myself i smiled when i saw such opened minds and you have all given me hope that time to come will be left in your hands to take over.

Lets face it we haven't exactly left it in a good condition have we, you have the benefit of seeing change, you have the benefit to make change.

Love to you all :wub2::wub2::wub2::wub2::wub2:

We won't let you down.

[SoldierOfTruth808]

I just wanna remind everyone...we arent only talking about teenagers. Were also refering to the huge population of 20somethings and a few 30someodds that just helped Obama into presidency. The ones who will LITERALLY be ushering in the new age. It only takes a second to open your eyes, look around and see, that a shift in consciousness is ALREADY in the works. Old ways are ALREADY obsolete. The next generation has ALREADY stepped up to the plate. Soon no one will be able to deny us the respect we deserve.


As for that long article Deo... That seems a little dated. The youth of today are dealing with a different sort of cancer. From all that image bullsh!t that came out of the 90s we have born and living a new sort of media monster. One that has perfected the art of exploiting teen rebelian for profit. One that has taken the dark view we adopted from the grunge and goth phases of the 90s and made it into a more effective business. There is no art or expression in the mainstream media. Theres is no more originality in the lime light. Bands are hired and formed not forged, products for kids are sold DAILY episode by episode by half hour long Commercials disguised as TV shows, stars are made on live TV with minimal talent, just popular vote after being measured up against other minimally talented people. Profit before pride thats the world motto...or at least for America. If even 10 youthful individuals can stand up amongst the seas of sheep that exist in our society today, that is a gigantic gain. The thing is theres a lot more than 10 standing up, I think for the most part were all tired of eating what we are fed. Even those I talk to who have no consciousness of Camelot or Avalon or any sort of underground news source that outlines alternative thoughts of society and government and spirtuality, even they share our view of how our reality should be, even they are sick of eating ***** for the current standards. I have to believe that this shift of consciousness, this new way of life and thinking, this future that we are all trying to predict.... is as simple as, were growing up... and were taking the reigns.


Thanks for listening,
Ro

[herbivore]

yeah i don't restrict 'young people' to teenagers, i'd say 12-30 would be what i call young.

and although i don't approve of obama, nor did i vote for him, i believe the future he will bring will have a necessary place in our world and IMO - be a tool for many on the path to enlightenment.

the herb's good. :winksmiley02:

[Dantheman62]

:punk:

[SoldierOfTruth808]

Im not sure that Obama is the answer either, Im not convinced that He nor McCain were a good choice. But I feel that we are definetly heading in a different direction now... and whether its stormy seas or smooth ones, we asked for a change in climate and were going to get it.

[Fun 4U Leader]

[QUOTE=Dean Plejaren;69619]Avalon Members.



So this is what I prepose.
*Working as a group rather than individually.
*Having a strong direct focus to achieve empowerment of the individual and their happiness.
*Waging war on anything that obstructs the previous and overcoming it.



Dean,
I like your zeal. A strong direct focus is an admiral trait for anyone.

But, do you seriously mean what you are saying, working as a group for individual happiness, waging war against anything that obstructs individual happiness? What you are asking for seems illogical to me.

The way I see it, your group is already too big because it already has you in it, and there is no room for anyone else. The key individual in your proposal is "YOU" which really means waging war against everybody else and using them to empower your happiness at their expense. Good for you, bad for them.

The simple fact that it is a group obstructs each individual and thus must war against itself. Sounds like total confusion to me.

Can you war against a mirror? You are linked to all that is around you and everything you see that you would war against reflects a part of what is inside you that is your battle only and no others. It is not what is happening around you but your response that is the test of your true self.

In any war, the unacceptable losses are always the moral ones. Look there for your greatest battles.

I may very well be wrong, but I believe you have it backwards. You should be waging war against your individual EGO and not against everything else that obstructs it. In that context, a group can help each individual's cause, but not what you purpose.

Don't get me wrong. I am not slamming you. I have been there, and back.

For the cause,

[Dean Plejaren]

a shift in consciousness is ALREADY in the works. Old ways are ALREADY obsolete. The next generation has ALREADY stepped up to the plate. Soon no one will be able to deny us the respect we deserve.


http://www.inhabitat.com/wp-content/uploads/ssps5.jpg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0SObiKHYJZc)

[Dean Plejaren]

Dean,
I like your zeal. A strong direct focus is an admiral trait for anyone.

But, do you seriously mean what you are saying, working as a group for individual happiness, waging war against anything that obstructs individual happiness? What you are asking for seems illogical to me.

The way I see it, your group is already too big because it already has you in it, and there is no room for anyone else.

The key individual in your proposal is "YOU" which really means waging war against everybody else and using them to empower your happiness at their expense. Good for you, bad for them.

The simple fact that it is a group obstructs each individual and thus must war against itself. Sounds like total confusion to me.

Can you war against a mirror? You are linked to all that is around you and everything you see that you would war against reflects a part of what is inside you that is your battle only and no others. It is not what is happening around you but your response that is the test of your true self.

In any war, the unacceptable losses are always the moral ones. Look there for your greatest battles.

I may very well be wrong, but I believe you have it backwards. You should be waging war against your individual EGO and not against everything else that obstructs it. In that context, a group can help each individual's cause, but not what you purpose.

Don't get me wrong. I am not slamming you. I have been there, and back.

For the cause,

Interestingly everything you wrote about me. I stand for the opposite of that. No-one owns groups. I do not support ownership of groups. Second there is room for anyone because it's all about them being the leader of themself not about others controlling them. There is no key individual. The war is on what you just assumed about me haha. I'm not fighting people it's about helping them. It's good.

It's not designed to obstruct individuals it's designed to free them. It's about preventing conflict, not making conflict.

I don't know what you mean about unacceptable moral defeats. But it's about having integrity and knowing what works and what doesn't work.

Everyone has an ego but it does not have to be selfish or worthless. Healing and purifying your ego is preferable to trying to attack it.

You have what I stand for very mistaken. I don't know where you got those ideas from.

If the individual is not happy, how can another person be at their expense? That's an illusion. If something is bad for one person how can it be good for another? It is possible to empower the individual through the group and that is the point of a civilized society. What you are suggesting is I am the opposite of everything that is correct. If this is coming from society we know why society is backwards. It calls backwards forwards and forwards backwards.

Why did you twist everything I stood for? I don't understand your motive. You re-structured my entire purpose into something alien. You said you have been there and back. But it does not do anything and either way you have demonstrated we are on very different paths. Maybe the way I said it triggered all manner of misconceptions because of such vastly different experiences. No hard feelings we must be at very different places.

[Deoxyan]

the article i put here is not really related to the topic indeed, i put it because someone mentioned kurt kobain - nirvana.

[Fun 4U Leader]

Interestingly everything you wrote about me. I stand for the opposite of that. No-one owns groups. I do not support ownership of groups. Second there is room for anyone because it's all about them being the leader of themself not about others controlling them. There is no key individual. The war is on what you just assumed about me haha. I'm not fighting people it's about helping them. It's good.

It's not designed to obstruct individuals it's designed to free them. It's about preventing conflict, not making conflict.

I don't know what you mean about unacceptable moral defeats. But it's about having integrity and knowing what works and what doesn't work.

Everyone has an ego but it does not have to be selfish or worthless. Healing and purifying your ego is preferable to trying to attack it.

You have what I stand for very mistaken. I don't know where you got those ideas from.

If the individual is not happy, how can another person be at their expense? That's an illusion. If something is bad for one person how can it be good for another? It is possible to empower the individual through the group and that is the point of a civilized society. What you are suggesting is I am the opposite of everything that is correct. If this is coming from society we know why society is backwards. It calls backwards forwards and forwards backwards.

Why did you twist everything I stood for? I don't understand your motive. You re-structured my entire purpose into something alien. You said you have been there and back. But it does not do anything and either way you have demonstrated we are on very different paths. Maybe the way I said it triggered all manner of misconceptions because of such vastly different experiences. No hard feelings we must be at very different places.




Dean,
I was hoping that I was mistaken and thanks for clarifying for me. I won't comment point by point because you are clear enough and I obviously misunderstood you.

I wish you well with the group but I must decline to join at this time. I need to look closer at your response and let it sink in for awhile.

The best to you and take care.

for the cause.

[Dean Plejaren]

Cheers I'm glad we have that cleared up. I wasn't sure of your motive I thought I my have to deal with an argument.

One more thing,
I'm not asking you to join anything there is nothing to join but the esoteric movement for Ascension. It's purely verbal and mutual agreements. None of this paper legislation identity represent me in court nonsense. No political parties. No dictatorships or cults. Just increasing acts of Utopia.

[dayzero]

Here's that Drunvalo Mechizadek video....

Let's just wait for the Hopi to write their book!


Nice.


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