safest place in the world

[_N_]

I see that the people on this forum are mainly from the USA, but I was just thinking, what is the best place to be when all this chaos starts, and which places should be avoided? I have dual citizenship and can travel to a lot of places around the world. I'm currently in Saudi Arabia, is it a good idea to stay here, I have a feeling that the Middle East will have some event which could affect Saudi (Reading things in the news paper, like, East Coast of SA is preparing for potential nuclear fallout...)? I'm going to New Zealand later on for a 2 month vacation, my plans for next year is Europe and Russia.

Which places should be avoided due to possible risk? I'd rather not be in the wrong place at the wrong time. :)

[Swanny]

Stay away from Europe and America.
Stay in New Zealand when you get there, the south island would be my choice :thumb_yello:

[Truth voice 2012]

I have the feeling we will all be exactly where were supposed to be when s**t hits the fan. Just do whatever your gut tells you.

[Subsonik]

I sure hope so!

[Genevieve]

Sorry i had to have a laugh here!!!

The idea of 5 billion people huddled together on the South Island of New Zealand all holding a garden rake in defiance just has me chuckling!!!

There is NO safe place - the very act of being born is a risk!! You might avoid all risks and then be hit by some other "random" act!! Like the fitness fanatic that was hit by a health food delivery truck while out jogging!!!

Be at peace with the fact you are right where you are MEANT to be right now - and focus on being the best you can WHERE you are right now.

A lot us us westerners have lost sight of the fact that we ARE who we are since we are constantly told that we can be BIGGER BETTER BRIGHTER all with some magical outside influence.

And if only we do THIS THAT or the OTHER we can change all that.

Well truth is we only have ourselves to work with - and this life IS the real deal - not a rehearsal - so no more hedging bets and waiting for someone else to tell us "what the forecast is" or "come on in the water is fine" the time has come to just JUMP IN and test the water for yourself!!

Enjoy!!!

[burgundia]

Sorry i had to have a laugh here!!!

The idea of 5 billion people huddled together on the South Island of New Zealand all holding a garden rake in defiance just has me chuckling!!!

There is NO safe place - the very act of being born is a risk!! You might avoid all risks and then be hit by some other "random" act!! Like the fitness fanatic that was hit by a health food delivery truck while out jogging!!!

Be at peace with the fact you are right where you are MEANT to be right now - and focus on being the best you can WHERE you are right now.

A lot us us westerners have lost sight of the fact that we ARE who we are since we are constantly told that we can be BIGGER BETTER BRIGHTER all with some magical outside influence.

And these are words of wisdom. I'm not going to change my address and move somewhere else in hope that I'll be safer there. the eye of a cyclone is a very calm place.

[Genevieve]

Welcome to the ground crew Burgundia!!! :thumb_yello:

[sunny D]

I am not going to run anywhere...... I stay where I am and I like it where I am now....Namaste..!

[Aisuru Chiku]

POLE SHIFT folks POLE SHIFT
which means there is no safe zone

In the weeks leading into the shift, the rotation of the Earth slowed gradually to a complete stop. This is due to the Atlantic Ridge being highly magnetic, which was gripped by the Anomaly when it got close enough to Earth. Complete stoppage occurred about 5 days before the actual pole shift itself. The Atlantic Ridge is highly magnetic due to fresher lava flows and being centrally located between neutrally magnetic continental masses. When the rotation stops Africa, the US and Europe will experience a permanent variation of day with much of Asia in permanent dusk/night.

The lead up to the shift and the shift itself causes the Altantic Region to stretch and the Pacific Region to compress/subduct. This process has been happening naturally via plate tectonics at a very slow rate for many thousands of years. Evidence of this is everywhere. Eg: Remains of forests on the US East Coast and evidence of civilisation now underwater in the Caribbean and west British Isles.

Compression of the Pacific caused plates to be pushed under others which caused violent Earthquakes and rapid mountain building particularly along regions of the Ring of Fire.

During the period of ceased Earth rotation, tension built up between the crust and core. Eventually the tension released when the core broke away from the crust and moved independently of it. Separated from the core, the sliding crust caused rapid Atlantic stretch and Pacific compression and changed the face of the planet.

All that happened within a few hours and was an extremely violent event that caused near total destruction of the world cities and infrastructure along with billions of lives lost. In addition to the earthquakes and volcanic activity there was massive tidal waves because the oceans are not fixed to anything and the crust moved through it at speed.

After the pole shift, the core started to settle and realigned with the sun once the influence of the Anomaly was over but the crust continued to move due to its immense mass until the extreme quakes and mountain building eventually bought it to a halt. The face of the Earth changed forever and so began the time that I, and my team, grew up in – the Aftertime and this was/is full of challenges.

At the beginning of the Aftertime, the survivors were shell shocked because most of them were going about their normal routine almost up to a week before the shift! They struggled at first to understand what had happened. Everything around them was destroyed either by the Earthquakes, volcanoes, wind storms or tidal bore. Later, as reality started to set in and survival groups started to form, the survivors had to contend with another disaster. The oceans started to rise again due to the polar ice cap melt.

For over a decade, everyday living was set back to the way it was in the 19th century. None your current infrastructure such as the power grids, sewage systems, communications and transit system survived. And although I cannot go into specific detail, suffice it to say without these things, people started (needed) to rely on each other in their small isolated groups all over the world. And then finally something good came out of all of what we went through….. without main pressures in this time period, which all revolve around money, humanity spiritually evolved. We accepted what had happened and recognised what we lost was small compared to what we had gained. I probably made that sound a tad simple..... believe me, it wasn’t.

AN OVERVIEW OF WHAT WILL HAPPEN ON YOUR CONTINENT

The Great Catastrophe had a significant effect on seismic activity during and leading up to the primary shift event. This is due to a rapid separation of the Mid-Atlantic Ridge which causes havoc all over the Earth. All well as changing traditionally predictable weather patterns into erratic ones.

Widening of the Altantic Ridge caused subduction/compression in the Pacific. While this is only happening at slow and small increments right now, the shift caused it to happen at a much accelerated rate. Basically, Tectonic activity that would normally take many thousands of years got compressed into a few short days. As you can probably imagine, this will be an extremely dangerous period for everyone with some in more danger than others depending on their location.

In top of all this, the Earth’s core was magnetically pulled by the Anomaly which all culminated in a dramatic change in the current continental arrangements on Earth along with new magnetic pole locations. Here is a brief summary of what will happen by continent:

EUROPE

Europe was primarily affected by the Atlantic Stretch which increased volcanic activity both with currently active and inactive volcanos. Tidal bore was also significant in the low land areas and areas that lost sea level elevation. Earthquake activity was minor compared to other continents particularly those in proximity to the Pacific Region. Which means they were 7 or 8 and not 9.5’s or higher like most other regions.

Any country along the Mediterranean (particularly Greece & Italy) and it’s many fault lines, which was a tectonic stretch zone, suffered from increased volcanic and earthquake activity. As tectonic stretching is not a release of stress or tension, trapped lava exploded upwards through volcanos. Volcanic fallout was a substantial problem for nearly a decade after the shift.

Spain, also on the Med, was permanently pulled down by approximately 15 metres due to the Atlantic stretch. This makes coastal communities a very dangerous place to be. England, Ireland and Scotland were also pulled down at least 20 meters.

The Balcans mainly were affected by the volcanic ash from the Mediterranean.

Switzerland, Finland, and the lower lands of Germany and France suffered greatly from tidal activity associated with the shift as well as fallout ash from volcanic activity.

Sweden and Norway fared reasonably through the earthquakes and did not have to contend with tidal bore due to their high elevation but couldn’t escape intense volcanic ash.

Russia found itself in a slightly warmer climate after the shift but in its lower lands like Siberia and Ukraine, the polar melt put it all under water. Along with the rising water levels caused by the melt, rain fall also increased and the local rivers and creeks couldn’t handle all the water. Much of Russia was in a perpetual flood after the shift.

MIDDLE EAST & INDIA

India & Pakistan were forced under the Himalayan Mountains by the Australian plate due to Pacific compression. The earthquakes associated with this were very violent leaving few survivors. As a double blow, the crust rearranged positioned India near the new South Pole causing a dramatic change in climate.

Nepal’s climate also changed due to its closer position to the South Pole.

Karachi was swamped by tidal bore due to low elevation but was made worse when its eastern side was pulled slightly downwards when India got pushed under the Himalayas.

Iran & Iraq are essentially now Polar Regions being that close to the new South Pole having been pulled away totally from the African plate.

AUSTRALIA

Australia dramatically changed due to the shift. Pacific Compression forced nearly 60% of the continent underwater due to the Australian Plate being connected to the Indian Plate. However, due to the sinking of Western Australia and most of central Australia, the eastern states rose up and had still gained land after the polar melt. This will also benefit New Zealand.

The sinking of the western side of the continent was fast enough that the ocean just kept heading inland at a swift pace. There were very few survivors.

Those who survived on the land that remains above water will find what was once East is now North and close to the equator.

AFRICA

For the most part, Africa remained above sea level even after the polar melt and the west side now faces north. Due to the difficult circumstances of living in Africa with it’s people facing serious hardship, the survivors will mostly be no worse off after the shift and that statement is by no means a good thing.

ASIA & THE PACIFIC RIM

China rode out the shift well. Much of China’s land is high above sea level thus evading the shift tidal bore and polar melt. But China geographic position will be closer to the new South Pole and therefore changed its climate slightly.

Hong Kong was destroyed by the quakes and tidal bore with the polar melt being the final nail in the coffin.

The highlands of Taiwan survived the tidal bore and the polar melt but its proximity to volcanos from neighbouring countries rendered it a difficult place to live after the shift.

Japan did not do well leading into the shift nor well in the shift itself. Due to Japan’s position on fault lines, it suffered from immensely powerful Earthquake activity, some volcanic activity and massive tsunamis.

Korea was basically destroyed due to significant Earthquakes, new volcanos followed by the tidal bore.

Vietnam, Thailand and Indonesia experienced significant Earthquake activity, tsunamis and tidal bores. But the end of these two countries was the polar melt.

Aside from the quakes and tidal bore destroying much of Singapore, its proximity to the South Pole froze the small amount of survivors.

Guam, Fiji and the Solomans were hit hard by the compression quakes, completely washed over by the tidal bore and then swallowed by the polar melt.

SOUTH AMERICA

South America significantly changed due to the pole shift. This was primarily due to its new location in Earth’s newly arranged continents. The bulge of Brazil found itself positioned very close to the new North Pole thus dramatically changing the climate after the shift.

Aside from the large quakes associated with the Pacific Compression (which created the Andes Mountain range over time), South America had to contend with severe tidal activity in some cases much worse than other regions which simply devastated everything. The cause of this was due to a new land mass that surfaced out of the ocean due to the part Antarctic Plate rising up between the tips of both the African and South American continents.

The rise of the new land mass forced the water away in all directions. This water went over most hills and some decent sized mountains and into the low land areas. An inland sea was present for a long time but is now slowly turning into an ice cap.

Argentina, Buenos Aires & Chile were decimated by the tidal bore from the Earth’s stopped rotation, then followed by the rushing water from the new land mass surfacing. Don’t think Chile is safer due to its higher elevation; the waves will be that intense and needed to go somewhere that it had the energy to go over some decent mountain ranges.

The Andes will gain elevation over sea level from the pole shift due to Pacific subduction. It was a fair assumption for many to take refuge in the perceived safety of the Andes but for reasons yet completely understood many suffocated from oxygen deprivation. The current hypothesis is that the Anomaly stripped away some of the Earth’s atmosphere enough to affect air levels at the Andes new height above sea level.

THE UNITED STATES

THE EAST COAST

The East Coast from south of the New England area suffered during the shift due to the stretch from the Atlantic Ridge and the crust resisted being pulled apart so much of the coastal areas were be pulled down into the ocean. The level of sinking increased the further south you go. Only New England gained land due to the separating St. Lawrence Seaway but larger scale earthquakes were also present in this area.

WEST COAST

The situation is completely different on the West Coast. Firstly, the Pacific Compression forced oceanic plates under the continental plates along current fault lines. This happened with such force that heating of the substrata rock occurred and actually caused rock to melt in low laying areas. So remember, VALLEY + SUBDUCTING FAULT LINES = DEATH TRAP. Also significant mountain building occurred in certain regions. Think of Yosemite equivalent size to understand the sheer scale of the mountain building that will happen.

Secondly, the tidal waves smashed the coast and went over the hills and mountains in close proximity to the coast line.

CENTRAL

The Central areas of the US generally fared well during the shift which was not its biggest problem. Due to the havoc on both the East & West coasts, shift survivors headed inland and overwhelmed towns and cities that had trouble taking care of some many people. Many more lives were lost due to these circumstances.

ACTIVITY IN THE MEDIUM TERM LEADING INTO THE SHIFT

The approaching Anomaly’s effect on Earth has been gaining strength for at least the past decade but in the past two years, its influence has become more intense with many obvious signs. In fact, Earth has already started to slow significantly on her orbital path and a fact not being reported by NASA. The interference with her core is causing a number of things to happen.

1) Core reaction is generating increased heat output significantly warming up Earth’s oceans. This has led to, among other things, accelerated Polar Ice melt particularly in the Arctic. The higher ocean temperatures are, in part, causing bigger and more frequent extreme weather events globally. This ranges from increased frequency of tropical storms to weather events not native to areas. Eg: snowing in tropical areas and extremely warm winter days in traditionally cold regions.
2) Abnormal core activity has also increased levels of volcanism and earthquakes
3) A slight anomaly in the Earth rotation has already been noticed but not reported. I sure some of you would have noticed the sun rising/setting too far north for a period of time last year and earlier this year. This contributed to the erratic weather seen in a few years leading up to the shift.
4) One of the most obvious signs is how Luna is reacting to the presence of the Anomaly. This is something that you can easily observe yourself. Typically, Luna’s orbit the Earth’s equator with a slight inclination of 5 degrees and is something that is not very obvious to the occasional glance at the sky during the monthly orbital period. For nearly 4 years, Luna’s orbit has been erratic and continues to be so. I suggest that you find a position in your house or just outside and line up Luna with a ground object like a tree etc. Over a period of just a few shorts weeks, you will see Luna move significantly away from your grounded object, either much higher or much lower and far greater than a small 5 degree inclination. This is primarily due to Luna having a second magnetic influence rather than just the Earth nearby.

At the present point in time, meteorological and geological activity is significantly increasing and will do so at a non linear rate until we enter the short term period before the Pole Shift.

As I have already said, there are forces at work to keep you in the dark as to what is coming. The greatest advantage we have is that the Government doesn’t know when the pole shift will occur either. And by the time the signs get blatantly obvious, they will be unable to fully implement martial law. The next post will outline political activities focussing on the US and explain how and why they are not warning you that this is coming. I will also briefly outline the active role the two teams in the US are doing in the lead up to the upcoming election.

This leads us to the short term events leading into the shift which I will not go into yet but suffice it to say that when we enter this period, we WILL disclose full details and the exact date of the pole shift. We may release this information sooner should we achieve some keys goals in the next month or so.

I do apologise as I said in my initial post that this post would only be a few days away but something came up which required our full attention. Expect the next post soon.

Peace to you all.

[Truth voice 2012]

[QUOTE=Genevieve;61890]Sorry i had to have a laugh here!!!

The idea of 5 billion people huddled together on the South Island of New Zealand all holding a garden rake in defiance just has me chuckling!!!



:mfr_lol:

New zealand is 104,454 square miles. With population of 6 Billion and 551,517,120 square feet. that would mean we would get 10 square feet each. Room for sleeping bag and a cabbage patch. Yay!
(Just messin)

[Baggywrinkle]

No matter where you go, there you are!

Look to basics.

Food, clothing, shelter. Make sure you have access to good water.

Now do it without outside support.

Do these things and where ever you are will be an oasis

[Swanny]

Yea NZ would be quite a squeeze if we all went there :) I'm staying here so that will free up some room.

Aisuru Chiku the way I understand it is if the Earth stopped spinning there would be no gravity so we would all float off the planet

[Genevieve]

I'm with you on that one Baggy!!!!

And got the garden planted up and already talking to people (even the unaware as some call them) about hmmm what if this DOES become a depression??? what can we do - how will we work together etc.

I actually find the whole economic downturn a blessing in disguise. It enables people to really LOOK at the big picture (even if they arent quite willing to go right down the rabbit hole) and make some adjustments and at least be open to other options.

Dont waste this time as a starting point to help those around you in your immediate vicinity!! Its nice to talk on here amongst like minded people but seriously apart from moral support we can be little practical use to each other across continents when the SHTF.

What you will need is the support of the people AROUND you. So start now!!
I'm amazed at the feedback i have received so far with no other starting point than - "hey - we may have to go back to where our grandparents were in the depression"

Its almost like people are "yearning" for a change from what currently IS - but until something drastic happens no-one will make a move.

Thats where quietly leading by example can be a great help.

Wishing you all the very best in your "job"

Much love

Genevieve

[Baggywrinkle]

Aisuru Chiku the way I understand it is if the Earth stopped spinning there would be no gravity so we would all float off the planet

Swanny's First Corollary;

If the world didn't suck we'd all fall off

:roll1::roll1::roll1::roll1:

[Genevieve]

My point exactly Truth Voice!!!

Forget the cabbages - gotta make room for the sheep as well!!!

I'm sure all my Kiwi mates are gonna shoot me down in flames here - but that has always been a standing joke amongst us - the NZ army? - one man and a rake!!! lol

Mind you the Oz contribution to the Desert Storm fiasco was taking out a Saudi harbour by a mis-docking of an aircraft carrier!!!! lol

Gotta luv us!! We may back the wrong sides and all that but we remain relatively harmless in the big picture.

Shame all us little lower school countries didnt all gang up and say NO to the high school bullies of the world!!! lol Who knows the world may just be a better place for armies with garden rakes :wink2:

[Baggywrinkle]

My point exactly Truth Voice!!!

Forget the cabbages - gotta make room for the sheep as well!!!

I'm sure all my Kiwi mates are gonna shoot me down in flames here - but that has always been a standing joke amongst us - the NZ army? - one man and a rake!!! lol

Mind you the Oz contribution to the Desert Storm fiasco was taking out a Saudi harbour by a mis-docking of an aircraft carrier!!!! lol

Gotta luv us!! We may back the wrong sides and all that but we remain relatively harmless in the big picture.

Shame all us little lower school countries didnt all gang up and say NO to the high school bullies of the world!!! lol Who knows the world may just be a better place for armies with garden rakes :wink2:

You can always count on Americans to do the right thing - after they've tried everything else. -- Sir Winston Churchill

Give us time Genevieve, when our backside gets burned bad enough, we'll make it right.

[Genevieve]

I love us all Baggy - and i had a good laugh at that one too!!!

Seriously tho - I dont expect "americans" to make it right - we are all in this together mate - there should be NO nationalities when it comes to what is right for humanity.

[norman]

POLE SHIFT folks POLE SHIFT
which means there is no safe zone



Aisuru Chiku, mate! :arrow: (hilarity hijacks serious thread syndrome)=( we can get away with it but you can't)

Seriously, you planted a very long and detailed post into this thread and then just vanished. Two questions:

1) have you been into the future?

2) or are you just taking the :beer:?

I love all this :bond: stuff but I clicked on this thread to see what people thought about 'safe' 'places' in a time of mindless jeopardy.

You're not Dan Burisch, are you? Duhh? No, you can't be, you didn't talk in riddles and 'goose step' to the star spangled erection.

Come on, tell us the rest of your story.

[Shellie]

N: It depends on your visa. Can you travel outside the cities without needing a stamp? There are natural caves in western KSA to hide out in. The rest is well... desert. Don't go east because that will make you too close to nuclear fallout and military issues in the gulf.

If it was me, I would get a visa to Yemen and hang on to it. That will be your best way out if you have to leave.

Otherwise, since you don't speak Arabic, I don't know how well you will get along over there if anything goes down. Censorship is an BIG issue, language is a BIG issue, and being a foreigner (esp. non-Muslim?) is an even bigger issue. Think of all the horror stories you've heard about Egyptians not getting paid, Indians getting attacked and Nigerians getting their passports revoked. That could be you. You should know the bureaucracy by now. Red tape and no communications can be more dangerous than no water in the desert (or the Somalis who make left turns from the right lane! sorry, just had to add that).

You know, you could always go to the suk and get yourself an abaya and niqab. Something like this:

[warriorsoul]

My thought would be the center of any large continent and definitely avoid islands. But I have seen folks pick out new zealand and australia and such. And interestingly enough, my mom told me of a story/interview of some kind that is on the back of the yearly chinese/vietnamese almanac. This story/interview is about a boy that had visions of world land masses changes due to a catastrophy. The boy mentioned that new zealand and australia are completely untouched because these are "sacred" lands. When i ask my mom whether the visions of the boy reveal any date or time frame and she said the story/interview does not mention a time frame. Interesting that this story mentioned new zealand and australia as safe in agreement with folks in here that got the instinct/understanding that those land masses are safe.

I should locate that almanac and read it up the story/interview myself i suppose.

[Myra]

My thought would be the center of any large continent and definitely avoid islands. But I have seen folks pick out new zealand and australia and such. And interestingly enough, my mom told me of a story/interview of some kind that is on the back of the yearly chinese/vietnamese almanac. This story/interview is about a boy that had visions of world land masses changes due to a catastrophy. The boy mentioned that new zealand and australia are completely untouched because these are "sacred" lands. When i ask my mom whether the visions of the boy reveal any date or time frame and she said the story/interview does not mention a time frame. Interesting that this story mentioned new zealand and australia as safe in agreement with folks in here that got the instinct/understanding that those land masses are safe.

I should locate that almanac and read it up the story/interview myself i suppose.

Well all I can say is no wonder Genevieve is feeling safe where she lives. :wink2:

[IRKCOD]

Well its very reassuring to people think this neck of the woods is a safe haven.
With a population of just over 4 million we're outnumbered by sheep the tune of about 8 to 1.

Being known locally as the 'shaky isles' the worry here though is with a polar shift we'll shake like jelly and all our volcanoes will 'pop'.

On the sacred vein we do call it 'God's Own' - Aotearoa ( The Land of the Long White Cloud'

[Nightwish]

To Norman : this information comes from here :
http://www.timetravelinstitute.com/ttiforum/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=ttclaims&Number=57763&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=&fpart=1&vc=1

[AndyH]

To the OP: There's no real answers here.
I suppose you can conclude that the middle east is definitely a dangerous place for obvious reasons.
The US and the UK are also dangerous for precisely the above place being dangerous :)

I can only conclude that Antractica is the safest place to be lol.

IMHO I'll take my chances in Ireland, at least I'll die happy!

[norman]

To Norman : this information comes from here :
http://www.timetravelinstitute.com/ttiforum/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=ttclaims&Number=57763&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=&fpart=1&vc=1

Thanks. I spent a long time on that forum reading the whole thing. Not sure I believe it though.:wink2:

[Koyaanisqatsi]

To Norman : this information comes from here :
http://www.timetravelinstitute.com/ttiforum/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=ttclaims&Number=57763&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=&fpart=1&vc=1


http://www.zetatalk.com/safelocs.pdf

[IRKCOD]

Very interesting read. Thanks for the post.
:original::original::original:

[Humble Janitor]

I thought that New England would be safe but I doubt it now. Yikes.

[Deoxyan]

stay out of the planet, there is not a safe place here

[capreycorn]

stay out of the planet, there is not a safe place here

so how do I hijack a UFO?:original:

[333mark333]

Quote from cayce: its not where you live but HOW you live.
:)

[Deoxyan]

I mean there is no really completely safe place in the worst case scenario.

[Jnana]

We're all going to die! Except for a few especially hardy ones, all 6 billion of us alive now will be dead in less than 100 years. Any one of us could get hit by a truck and die tomorrow. Are you ready for whatever your view of the afterlife has in store? If you are ready, then you are in the safest place in the world. You can face anything without fear.

I feel that I am physically where I need to be. I have things I need to do here now, and I'm ready to help others in any way I can if the "great reboot" occurs and I happen to survive. I have made some preparations, and will attempt to survive as best I can, but I honestly don't like camping out all that much so the astral might be a better place to be. Spiritually, I have things to work on, but I don't fear death.

In my opinion, if you are not prepared spiritually you won't survive the "great reboot" no matter where you are, and if you are prepared it won't matter where you are.

[Elephant Man]

Quote from cayce: its not where you live but HOW you live.
:)

:original:

got a variation on that : it doesnt matter where you live as long as you live where you are :original:

peace

[Pleiadian]

snip

[borrasca2012]

the ONLY SAFE PLACE is inside u........


........LEAVE THE INTERNET .............. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!






w.w.w is 666...... the beast who EATS u .......

and take all ur energi .............


...... SHOOT DOWN THE NET !!!!!!!:welcomeani:

[Chinderland]

http://www.zetatalk.com/safelocs.pdf

Hmm... Quite a lot of specifics about the pole shift and its consequences on different locations.

However, is this the only way for the earth poles to shift? :wink2:

[whitecrow]

We're all going to die! ...If you are ready, then you are in the safest place in the world. You can face anything without fear.

I feel that I am physically where I need to be. I have things I need to do here now, and I'm ready to help others in any way I can...Spiritually, I have things to work on, but I don't fear death.

In my opinion, if you are not prepared spiritually you won't survive the "great reboot" no matter where you are, and if you are prepared it won't matter where you are.

Beautifully said.

A wise old woman I once knew used to say, "In 100 years there'll be all new people anyway." Part of why we're here is to try to ensure they have a decent place to live.

[_N_]

ok, this thread generated quite a bit of discussion. Maybe I should rephrase my question - in which places shouldn't I be in when everything starts.
I mean, let's be real, if someone is going to nuke a certain area, you have no chance of survival. I agree with people saying, you just have to go through with it where ever you are, but I think that if I can get some prior knowledge, that puts me ahead of the rest who still haven't realized what's going on.

For example, I'm a bit worried about being in the Middle East and I think New Zealand might be a better option.

[capreycorn]

i think the best place to be is "home" (country), because it is where you know the terrain the best, where you can read what`s mentioned on danger labels or medicine packs..when things get bad, you might be in the wrong place but at least you know your "ground" , can communicate or at least understand (a potential enemy`s plans?). whatever scenario will be..some people might see in you an enemy because you look different or don`t "talk" the way they do..and that doesn`t help survival at all even if the place is "unaffected" doesn`t mean the people won`t be (agitated)...(a lot of people are still racists inside..and it will show..).
as many have already said..stay out of densely populated areas, for one, because violence and mob violence is bad, panic can be contagious and dangerous when all want out at the same time; also food and water will go away fast ... suggests to find a mountain habitat like a holiday-house or just have good friends in the mountains to stay with..good to get familiar with the terrain there as well..pay attention to potential rock or mud slides, avalanches..so if there`s no friends or no mountain holiday house, what then? well, this could be even the key to more flexibility..find a fairly untouched spot and start digging a hole or more and hide supplies, tools , tents, etc. ( the whole shabang) in sturdy non-rusting waterproof containers (add desiccants to every container)....take all necessary measures , that "it" won`t be found, washed away, etc ....may want to do that in different places..which is of course costly (but: redundancy=safety...and you can give away some things and still have enough) if money don`t buy anything any more this would be like a barter-savings account..
and not bad for starters..

some of the stuff:
http://baconreport.blogspot.com/2007/07/top-100-items-to-disappear-first-during.html
enough..it`s just a thought anyway..

ps : miriam delicado says there are safe places all over the world, which are >marked<.. what do you think about the Medjugorje area? (maybe too many will run there...but who knows..)

[Worlds Beyond]

My own personal understanding and belief is that there will be no safe place. None. Not in a geographical sense anyway.

I don't wish to instill any level of fear by saying that. It's just my personal view/understanding.

The only safe place will be inside your own heart/soul.

[Average Joe]

So Switzerland specifically with the low countries is going to be affected by a tidal bore is it? I can understand the low countries....low and near a coast...yeah that makes sense, but Switzerland? Mountainous, highly elevated Switzerland? Not particularly near the sea? I don't think so.

I switched off from this complete load of bunk at that point.

Lets have a more believable doom and gloom story please!

[corvo]

I have created a map with data about the supposed conseguences of a pole shift.
This collect profecy information, geological data on so on.
This is a work in progress.
check it out :
http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&hl=de&msa=0&msid=106068179480389143709.00045a636351ff16d76e5&ll=7.188101,26.71875&spn=161.722363,360&z=2

[Swanny]

I've been thinking that Spain would be ok :original:

[marisa manning]

I 'am where iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiam

[I_Am]

The Moon should be a safer place to place the LHC...IMHO.:original:...then we could stay right here - on earth. Oh, BTW - place all the minions of Illuminati there as well. Let them bring one small plastic bag with oxygen for themselves as well.

A quickie for those who are commenting poleshift: A magnetic pole shift is not, repeat NOT, meaning that the earth physical rotation will stop or change direction or flip or tilt. Although a magnetic pole shift most certainly will be very, very harmful to most of our electronics (i.e. everything from cars to phones and communications and my personal Tamagochi) - it has happened many times during the years humans has walked on the earth...and as the magnetic field of the earth actually is into a state of kaos/reduction right now, it is not very unlikely we all will be around when it happens.

I wonder - has anyone found any info about how poleshift/sunspot activity may coinside with solar system wobbling up and down through the galaxy central plane?

[capreycorn]

the "forecast" has some basic information.. as with most written information..
it has little information on some interesting details such as at what speed and height the tidal waves will hit land..could it be just a few hundred kilometers per hour or is it per second! ?
how about freakishly strong storms with wind speeds close to mach 1?
does a pole shift require a very deep underground base to survive?

for all we know so far, previous civilisations, which were highly advanced have just disappeared. the scenario could be really a mix of deep impact, the day after tomorrow and the day after..
the day after tomorrow and the day after; because of massive vulcanic eruptions to be expected with the hot vulcanic ashes climbing rapidly up to the ceiling of our atmosphere, where it cools down to the max and because of this will drop back down even faster and instantly freeze everything where it comes down; kind of like in "the day after tomorrow", the only difference will be, that the air gets too cold to breathe and it`s going to be vulcanic ashes for crying out loud. and vulcanic overcast is like nuclear winter anyway.
tidal waves of unknown proportions are to be expected. science gets to see such tidal waves only once; and it has always been the last time as well until now...the tidal wave of the movie "deep impact", gives an idea what is to be expected...there might be just a few more tidal waves than shown in the movie..and it could go on for quite a while this way..tidal bores of unheard of proportions will not stop for mountains and slam right over the ridges with full force..just to slam down again inlands with such speed, that no one will hear it coming...bringing with it lots of dirt, rocks and debris..

i do not intend to scare here..but it`s not helpful if everybody prepares for a mild shift...because after all it`s all about a shift which will move earth! and even if it is just a magnetic shift...all of the magnetized elements in the earth,rocks,etc.. will suddenly have to "look the other way"..there will be "movement" like never before....

[Worlds Beyond]

"tidal bores of unheard of proportions will not stop for mountains and slam right over the ridges with full force..just to slam down again inlands with such speed, that no one will hear it coming...bringing with it lots of dirt, rocks and debris.." (Capreycorn)


I'm really not into adding to any fear vibrations, in here or life, but I have to say.. what Capreycorn wrote here is absolutely what I keep on and keep on being 'told' and 'shown'... and it is also what I have recurring powerful dreams about for many years now.. and also have had inumerable 'messages' about for past 3 years.. I rarely tell others about it, as I do NOT wish to encourage any fear/doom mongering, so have only discussed these things with close friends until now.

I was also 'told' to paint what I was shown.. which is quite amusing given I have NO artistic skills or experience whatsoever, so I ignored the 'message' to paint these images, until they became SO frequent and strong and clear (even waking me at night!) that I went out and bought some basic watercolour paints, paper etc and thought "OK, what do I do now?" . Well, I swear before God, it was like magic, because I suddenly painted these images, as though I'd been painting all my life! And the even stranger thing was, that all my physical pain stopped while I was painting (I have a very painful illness).

Anyway.. bit more detail for you.. I am 'shown' pictures/movies of the earth covered in red water. Yes, red. I do not know if this is blood or anything else (a few people have asked if this is the case, but I truly don't know)... but it is very very red. And the only land left visible is also red, i.e. the very tops of mountains, big rocks/boulders.. all piled up as if been 'avalanched' or 'blown apart'.. these are all red too.

Now, I really don't wish to alarm anyone or make anyone fearful. This is just what I am personally experiencing/being made aware of (past 3 years, since I also got ill, and started having a lot of other spiritual 'phenomena' happening to me).

Also.. I REALLY wish to stress this.. that there are NO feelings of fear when I am 'given' these things. In fact, I have a weird sense of calm and peace comes over me. I am at the time also shown a truly AMAZING pathway of golden light, almost like irridescent golden crystal, which leads up from the tips of the mountains... into another realm and beyond... Above this pathway I can see almost forever into the distance.. and there are the most incredibly beautiful things/scenes.. and actual places and amazingly coloured, crystal-like buildings (some of which, I have since found, out are places of ancient beliefs) and also there are people... REAL people...

In spite of my grasp of language, I cannot even begin to adequately describe all this in words (again, I was 'told' to paint them, which I have been doing)... including souls who have already departed their earthly bodies (I mean REAL people, some of whom I have known from this life, who passed away, some almost 40 years ago, when I was a small child).

Anyway folks, what I am trying to convey here is just my experiences, and from those arise my own personal belief that there is indeed going to be some major earth event, but I do not know when.. I have no idea... it could be centuries away, it could be 2012, it could be tomorrow, who knows!! Not me!!

But I am repeatedly shown these things, amongst others, and also 'taken' on journeys to other realms (yes, really) and shown the most incredibly beautiful / peaceful / joyful things... and I also feel so SO strongly that we are NOT meant to fear.... not at all.... there are worlds and places beyond this which are FAR FAR more beautiful, real and harmonious than earth... and that what we call "death" is nothing of the sort... it is really just a 'change of clothes' into something much more comfortable... REALLY!

Folks, please please please, don't be afraid... I truly feel that whatever is going to happen is going to happen... there truly is a reason and a season for everything! I'm not saying 'sit back and do nothing as the end is coming', of course not... it's VERY important in these times that we ALL learn to actively be of service to as many as we can, help each other, ones we DON'T know as well as ones we do know! To keep learning and growing and keep ever hopeful, and try to resolve any issues (such as forgiveness etc.) you may have and have a thorough internal/external "spring clean"!

For me personally, I know that the important thing is not about "stocking food" or "moving to the hills", but to try and live as peacefully and helpfully as I can, to help as much as possible with/for others... basically, I would rather spend my money (not that I have much anymore!) sending food/help to the TRULY helpess in this world, ones without even the very basics... no clean water, no food, no shelter, no parents...... there are many many souls on this earth who don't have the luxury of wondering how to survive today, let alone 2012...... 28 children die every single minute on this planet from food starvation alone. Not to mention the ones dying from preventable disease, the starving adults in Africa, the orphaned children in Iraq and other war zones, the displaced in Congo/Sudan, the storm-hit homeless in Asia, etc.

I'm really sorry, I'm really not rying to lecture anyone here.. believe me, we are free to make our own choices.. and I have (in the past) been as asleep and self-serving as anyone else with my nice career/home/car/holidays etc. in spite of my great generosity to people when I was a high-earning high-flyer, I was still serving myself (unaware of it at the time though!) at the root of it all ! But really, I got my wake-up call a few years ago.

Personally.. I'd rather use my last £100 to help someone else live NOW than buying 50 cans of beans or 100 packets of rice etc, or moving to the hills to be "safe" for some possible future date/event... because the simple truth is, that we really ARE all connected and responsible for each other, as well as ourselves.

My feeling is that whatever is going to happen in the future is NOT within our grasp to change. I'm sorry to say that folks. I'm truly a BIG believer in positive thinking, visualisation etc. And was for MANY years a firm "you create your reality" type thinker... for 20 years, in a big big way... but now, to be totally honest.. I'm not so sure we do "create our own reality".. ultimately (although I DO still feel strongly it is very important to stay positive and visualise positively!) ...

.. I feel there IS something MUCH bigger than all of that, much bigger than all of us, which we don't (yet) understand. No matter how much we think we know or conjecture about what is to come, we truly know VERY little. And that is for a purpose, I believe... (and also makes me feel very humbled at times).

I'd feel more comfortable, when my time comes to leave earth, knowing I tried to help someone else here and now, in the present time, than hoarding any amount of my resources for my own personal preservation at some 'maybe' point in the future.. just my personal feelings folks.

My message is simple... Do not fear. Help others. REALLY help others, not just financially... help in whatever way THEY need (not you! :wink2: ). Live for today and help others live today too, wherever/whenever you can!

These are sometimes dark and confusing times here on earth, but believe me, there really is "light at the end of the tunnel" so to speak (and I mean that literally!).

I hope I haven't rambled on too long in your thread... Sorry! And apologies again if I sound "lecturing".. I really don't mean to, I just feel so passionately about these things. Sorry!

[capreycorn]

Worlds Beyond,

Great work, thank you so much for telling it all.:thumb_yello:
I agree on everything you say...the "red land and ocean" is puzzling..hmm..

i truly love the way you "came out". respect!
(i don`t think i could do it halfway as good)
your name must be written in the heavens somewhere.
keep helping others and keep sharing with them what you "know".
your condition gets better when you`re not fighting what comes to you by nature..it`s a very clear indication indeed.

..and..no fear! so true..

cheers :-)

[Genevieve]

What beautiful words WORLD!!!!

I think i may be following the same wave pattern here. I AM stocking up as in planting furiously - nurturing my plants - nurturing my children - loving them and my life - and giving love and assistance to anyone when the need arises. That need may NOT be for a future event but for right here and NOW.

This life aint a rehearsal its to be lived right NOW!!

A naive story here - but soo true. After i had my first child i remember saying to an older lady - "ohh i love this child soo much i cannot imagine loving another child as completely as this precious baby" and she laughed and said "you will never EVER run out of love"

And that is a fundamental truth!!!

[SIR GALAHAD]

What a lovly post world beyond never a truer word said thank you for taking the time to put it all in the thread wonderful i have had very similair experiances also i think maybe the red means under water just a thought thank you .

[evollove]

Worlds beyond -- you utter wonderful things. Made me all calm, and warm around heart. :huglove:

It would be interesting to see these paintings of yours.

[Tuza]

I just went to that timetravelinstitute web page - I don't get it - do they RV or use the jump room or what - can someone put this in a nutshell for old me.:original:

[Worlds Beyond]

Hey, am just glad if my humble/small experiences/thoughts are of some help/interest to some of you.. I feel honestly humbled to get any feedback..

People around here seems so knowledgable and up to speed on things, really I'm just a newbie around here (or any forum for that matter!) .. not quite sure where to post etc.. (and a bit wary still of how my experiences/postings might be received!).. but am getting there.. lol!

Capreycorn.. just wanted to say.. truly, EVERYONE'S names are written in the heavens .... I've been 'shown' somewhere called the "HALL OF RECORDS" several times ... really.. I kid you not. :original:

Well folks, time for rest for me, I can't type too long due to pain, so sometimes takes me ages to type.. also once I start writing something, I don't seem able to stop the flow! lol. So am sorry if I seem to pop in and post then disappear, nothing personal and I will try to reply/get back to folks as soon as able!

love and light to all, and hey.. maybe one day I'll get brave enough to share some of my paintings.. who knows! lol . ... and maybe chat through some of my other experiences.. I only felt able to share with a handful of close friends at first, but maybe it's getting time to get a bit braver!

It would be great to hear from others who might have "other worlds" experiences/'journeys'/'Messages'/Dreams/'visitors'/Clairvoyance/Mediumship or those kinds of things.... (not UFO type stuff, though I do find that interesting too, but I mean more matters of Spirit or Near Death or 'Life After' here... that kind of thing?)
x

[capreycorn]

:thumb_yello:Worlds Beyond,

I would really love to see your paintings...

before:

http://home.arcor.de/alienmaster/Fun%20Pix/other/IncomingBaby.jpg

:wink2:



have faith in yourself..

the opposite of faith is not doubt, it is fear!

godspeed to you.:thumb_yello:

[alice goes nuts....]

when is this poleshift going to happen??? 2012?? and is t sure, or just mabye???

[capreycorn]

THE DAY THE EARTH CAUGHT FIRE?

RED EARTH AND WATER...

I JUST FOUND THIS OTHER THREAD ABOUT THE VISIONS OF AN AMERICAN NATIVE. THIS IS MUST READING!

IT SAYS THE SKY WILL BE RED!

"for when the sky bleeds fire, there will be no safety in the world of man" (somewhere towards the bottom of the long text posted by Carol :thumb_yello:)


http://projectavalon.net/forum/showpost.php?p=50569&postcount=1

:sad: "we`ve probably already seen 2 of the 4 signs leading up to the big event "

ps: the same text posted elsewhere by "lock `N` load" (more comfortable to read):

http://projectavalon.net/forum/showpost.php?p=6231&postcount=1

[Uriel Andros]

....
Stay in New Zealand when you get there, the south island would be my choice

New Zealand's a lovely place, but it's also one of the most geologically active spots on the planet. At the time of the coming crust shift the likely "pivot points" will be around the Panama/Columbia border and near Jakarta, Indonesia. That puts the new north pole in Finland/Russia and NZ very close to the new south pole.

While there will be people who survive in places all over the planet -- perhaps as many as a million -- the only really secure place is going to be near the ancient Lemurian/Atlantean crystals that will guide the shift and set the tone for the new society to grow from the ruins.

[Fredkc]

Ok, lemme throw in a couple things;

1. I doubt a pole shift will occur between 3:00 and 3:15 on a sunny afternoon. If I read aright, one of our previous ones took close to 1,000 years. Remember we're talking "quick" in geological time, not man, or even dog years. ;) And it should be noted that the polarity of the magnetic field has abruptly "flipped" or changed direction many times over the billions of years the earth has been here.

2. All of the talk of tidal waves, etc also assume a linkage between earth's magnetic pole and it's rotation. This also, if I read aright about 2 wks ago, "t'ain't necessarily so".

Factor in these two ideas and it could turn out to be a real ho-hum for us humans. The migrating birds ain'ta gonna like it one bit, though.

In the end, like nuclear warfare, the only real safe place is "anywhere you can look up and say, What in the hell was that?"

Cheers,
Fred

[pineal-pilot-in merkabah]

my house with my friends is the safest place in the world for now.. let the univerese flow through you and direct you.. service to others path is the key.

i think it will be karma that decides safety.:trumpet::wink2:

universe provides..

[Ross H]

Ok, lemme throw in a couple things;

1. I doubt a pole shift will occur between 3:00 and 3:15 on a sunny afternoon. If I read aright, one of our previous ones took close to 1,000 years. Remember we're talking "quick" in geological time, not man, or even dog years. ;) And it should be noted that the polarity of the magnetic field has abruptly "flipped" or changed direction many times over the billions of years the earth has been here.

2. All of the talk of tidal waves, etc also assume a linkage between earth's magnetic pole and it's rotation. This also, if I read aright about 2 wks ago, "t'ain't necessarily so".

Factor in these two ideas and it could turn out to be a real ho-hum for us humans. The migrating birds ain'ta gonna like it one bit, though.

In the end, like nuclear warfare, the only real safe place is "anywhere you can look up and say, What in the hell was that?"

Cheers,
Fred

Yep, if you can look up after 'the event' you are still alive...However does not matter what happens, if anything, as there is nothin to fear, if u faced with death then embrace it...cos one of these days we all gonna face it...YEAH! be not afraid...

Peace.