Comment on Bill Deagle credibility

[dragondweller]

I'm sorry, but I spent last night and this morning listening to this guy in the newest 3 part interview. There's something interesting and credible with this guy, but too much that just isn't. I think he is a government insider spreading fear, disinformation, and he ultimately wants us to give up religion, which is probably a new world order/one world government agenda anyway. There's something really off about him.

First of all, he offers no solutions, just a gloom and doom scenario and a lot of fear. If he's right about the nuclear devestation and no where to hide on earth, there's nothing that can be done about it. If he's not right, anyone who listens to him has just bought into all the fear that he spreads and wasted their time and energy feeling helpless and hopeless and waiting for the devestation. I'm certainly guilty of the latter, and who wants to live their life a paranoid fool, waiting for bad things to happen? Won't I feel stupid if they never do, like I wasted my life in anticipation that life isn't worth the effort of living? In the meantime, he promotes his web site on nutritionals, trying to make a profit. I would imagine that some of his products might come in handy for "preparing" for what is to come. Is that what a prophet does? Promote himself to make profits?

This guy has no peace in him. He talks directly to God? He is a prophet? I doubt that. What solution did he come up with during that interview? Hardly any. Just a lot of fear, gloom and doom. Total bullsh*t. How many times did he touch his nose during the interview, a body language sign that you're lying? He's a prophet? Prophets spread fear, gloom, and doom, offer no real solutions, and say that they are prophets? Some prophet.

This guy talks very fast, rambles about all sorts of different subjects, can't keep on topic 1/2 the time, etc. He's been everywhere and done everything under the sun, it seems. He was at Columbine, he was here, he was there, blah blah blah. I think he's some sort of pathological liar and bullsh*t artist, personally. I just don't know why he's even interviewed by Project Camelot.

There is something there. He possesses a great deal of knowledge and is talented. But, ultimately, he's done too much and his ultimate message is nothing but fear. What's the point? He's a fear monger with no real solutions. That's what the government likes to do. Send in guys like this with no real solutions, spreading fear and despair, and subtle disinformation. I think Alex Jones could be another one, frankly. Profiteering from making people scared, envisioning hopelessness, and not giving real solutions.

That's my opinion. Deagle's vibe promotes fear, confusion, and hopelessness.

[aiwass322]

First of all. I am not trying to bash anyone or start a big debate around these "visionary characters". But Deagle is not the only one with outrageous claims concerning connection to "higher powers".

Why is he the guy that is "fake"?

How about that blond poster-boy that claims to be the reincarnation of Edward C Cayce? On basis of comparing photos and "feelin it"?!! (Don´t get me wrong, I think he has alot of interesting points apart from this)

Im not saying that anyone is a fake or questioning anyones visions of the future. But all these prophets should be judged on the same basis if one is to be judged. Deagle at least should get the proper respect for standing up and speaking out.

Love is the law people!

[vega]

This guy talks very fast, rambles about all sorts of different subjects, can't keep on topic 1/2 the time, etc. He's been everywhere and done everything under the sun, it seems. He was at Columbine, he was here, he was there, blah blah blah. I think he's some sort of pathological liar and bullsh*t artist, personally. I just don't know why he's even interviewed by Project Camelot.

[raulduke]

I don't know much about this guy either, but w/ a title like that one, I was expecting a source rather than an opinion.


He's done anything and everything under the sun. He was at Columbine, he was here, he was there, blah blah blah. I think he's some sort of pathological liar and bullsh*t artist, personally.

If that's how you feel, then maybe you could investigate the doctors on call for the local columbine hospital on that day.

I understand being overwhelmed by information, but I try to address it piece by piece as best I can.

I realise this was a fairly gloomy message, but my first impression of the guy is that he believes what he is saying is true, but I have always thought that first impressions are overrated.

Your first impression is only a starting point. Investigate. Research. Revise your impression accordingly.

[LaRosa]

aiwass322 and raulduke... I smell wisdom. good reply.

As for Bill Deagle, I have no problem, no fear with his message and I believe he his in line with Project Camelot. Keep an open mind, take what you want, forget the rest, the world is vast.

[swordsmith]

Dragondweller, sounds like the fear is all in you, don't blame the messenger, things are just the way they are, if it frightens you, that is your choice, just turn off the screen and watch the nice guys if it makes you feel better. Wouldn't want to scare the poop out of the dragon !

Its obvious to me Dr. D knows a lot, but it's up to the individual to sort fact from opinion from possible disinfo. EVERYbody puts spin on whatever passionate things they say, mostly, I believe HE believes what he says.
Very much of his info is corroberated from quite a few unconnected sources.
Discernment is the key, and it comes with a calm detachment. I must admit the Granada Forum lecture he gave freaked me out, but a few years down the road from then, and not a lot shocks me now. One must stay balanced to see what resonates.

There seems to be a lot of fear of fear here, understandable, but then it just shows you have to work on yourself. It just isn't a very nice world out there.
Much of it is, in fact ,vile. If you can't take the heat, get out of the cauldron.

As for the remarks about Dr. Bill's "avoirdupois", he's just busy changing his density.

I appreciated the interview, especially the fairly non-intrusive stance Kerry and Bill took. Fascinating. Thanks.

[Elephant Man]

Books hold a lot of information, they are not spiritualy aware though. They are just books with words. Likewise some people. If a book feels wrong dont read it or if you do and still dont like it, forget it.

[stefaan]

Don't shoot the messenger if you don't like the message.
This is something we should keep in mind.

And then there is that always returning accusation of "fear mongering", we so often seen on this forum. Ok. Sometimes it IS "fear mongering".
But, doesn't it depend on what people are afraid of? If you're afraid of nothing at all, let's say, you'd never accuse someone of "fear mongering", I suppose. And when you're afraid of almost everything, you'll accuse everyone all the time.
So, if you have a terrible insight, or a bad message, you'd better keep it to yourself, since there always will be people accusing you of "fear mongering" ?
This people often are the same people, who keep shouting: be positive, positive, positive... until it get's negative.
I think you're always responsible for your own fear.

Bill Deagle has indeed nothing that looks like what you would expect of a prophet.
Then also, there are only two kinds of persons who tell you they speak directly to god: those who really speak directly to god, and those who are very ill. There are more of the latter than the first kind of course.
Concerning Bill Deagle, the picture doesn't not look right. In my eyes, he is yet another one..., well informed person. He must have read many, many books; seen numerious documentaries; attended lots of conferences, etc... Most so called witnesses or whistleblowers seem to be not much more than that. Sadly. Still, it's always interesting to hear the view of a well informed person explained in detail. It would be better in an orderly fashion, less chaotic... but it's better than nothing.

he ultimately wants us to give up religion
If Bill Deagle wants to give up religion, he can. And if you see what religion has done to the world, to people in all of our history, maybe we'd better follow him in his steps. Spirituality is ok, but religion?
Spirituality liberates, religion enslaves.

[love and gratitude]

Bill Deagle - EGO EGO EGO
A true man of god is humble and gracious.

[enemyofNWO]

aiwass322 and raulduke... I smell wisdom. good reply.

As for Bill Deagle, I have no problem, no fear with his message and I believe he his in line with Project Camelot. Keep an open mind, take what you want, forget the rest, the world is vast.



Spot on La Rosa . Discernment is the key . I am instantly on guard with people big on religion , ex alphabet agencies operatives and there are plenty of them ! (once an alphabet agency operative = always an alphabet agency operative ) . Sorting out what is true and what is BS is the hardest part ; in some cases I just refuse to even listen to the person ...

[Seth Haniel]

Worldview.

Each one is probably 100% right in their own Worldview.
Until each see the whole picture we have to take onboard what we see in our worldview and accept change when it is right.

Listen to all as that grain you seek is amongst the chaff.

[Anchor]

@dragondweller: I changed the thread title ammended from "Bill Deagle a fraud and phony"

If you have any serious objections to the actions I have taken or want a new title - let me have a PM.

A..

[suchanawesomekid]

First and foremost, I believe is unnecessarily rude to call anyone a fraud and a phony. That's the kind of one-dimensional judging tool that only encourages a fracture in the process of communication.

I personally like Dr. Deagle, and what I like the most about him is how he uses his FREE WILL, which is the most important treasure anyone could have. He has a personality and a way of saying things that is very unique and potent. I certainly believe existence requires a polarity in its manifestation.

Our planet (ourselves included) is going through a period that is of extreme importance, and we all know this. We need fellow humans willing to panic people to REACT TO CHANGE. That's Dr. Deagle's intention, because it's hard to get out of the comfort state we peoples in developed nations are.

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About this comment of yours:
This guy has no peace in him. He talks directly to God?

If you are able to connect to the source of your creation (God) , which is something we are all capable of doing because we are fragments of this source of creation (God) , then it's perfectly feasable he can speak to God, just like I do very frequently, and know a lot of people do even more frequently. Tuning In to the source of your creation should come natural to you.

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In general terms, I completely disagree with your entire point of view and your personal opinion.

[uniconr]

First of all, he offers no solutions, just a gloom and doom scenario and a lot of fear.
What solution did he come up with during that interview? Hardly any. Just a lot of fear, gloom and doom. Total bullsh*t.
But, ultimately, he's done too much and his ultimate message is nothing but fear. What's the point? He's a fear monger with no real solutions.
That's my opinion. Deagle's vibe promotes fear, confusion, and hopelessness.

i first want to say that i really appreciate the effort project camelot puts into keeping us informed. but it is disheartening when i see that some are watching the videos and not paying attention to the interviewees.
bill deagles ultimate message is not 'be afraid very afraid'. his ultimate message is that you are a powerful being most likely unaware of your power, and that it would be in your best interest, truly, to get in touch with that which is higher than yourself.
the only solution he offers is your own personal choice. you can feel fear, or you can feel love.


If he's right about the nuclear devestation and no where to hide on earth, there's nothing that can be done about it. If he's not right, anyone who listens to him has just bought into all the fear that he spreads and wasted their time and energy feeling helpless and hopeless and waiting for the devestation.

this is an interesting point. many of the threats to our well-being alleged by dr. deagle and many, many others are quite out of our control. so it seems strange that you would seek solutions to these problems.
the pathogen threat is probably the most deal-withable. if you are truly healthy in mind and body, your immune system should be able to fight anything off. if you are not healthy, it means you probably have some holes in your diet or some personal issues to work on, (living in fear comes to mind). are you too afraid of death to shop around a bit? you can change your diet, but nutrimedical.com is not the only place that sells supplements..

all that said, bill deagles assertions are 'scary' in an obvious way. so i do question if not his credibility, then his wisdom because he should be saying something that he is not. that is, self-preservation is far more achievable when fear of death is conquered by love of life. and what is death but fear and what is life but love?

the source of your own feelings is not external. it is unfair to hold others accountable for your own emotions.

[eaglespirit]

Bringing my "comment" over from another thread...so as to entrain with other positive posts here. Thank You! Onward and Upward!
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Does every site on the internet have to be infiltrated with senator's sons and daughters? Your posts of negativity and sarcasm are blatantly ludicrous...and it is sickeningly obvious that you are plants of disruption here and on other sites of this nature. An opinion is one thing...consistent ugliness is another.

If anyone, and I mean anyone at all, listens(really listens) to Dr. Deagle and what he is saying and sharing and applies a fraction of their own good energy to what they personally choose to in their own lives in their own heartfelt way...your lives will change in the now right now (that is me talking). If you simply turn your attention and energy away from any and every personal tie with the government and/or state and/or religion(as we know it) you possibly can without loosing alignment on your path of service to others than all will be well and good in the now, right now. These interviews give us information on making focused choices so that we can change things to spiritual goodness in double-time and triple-time and quadruple-time in front of us...it is information to help us "unplug" the propagated sickness from our own power source in an upgraded and targeted and expedient way so that we ALL can get on with helping one another out of the maze of deceit and lies, right now.

I understand most of you here that visit this site and do not post responses or post positive entrained thoughts are good people and living your life in service to others and helping to change things in the now...
But come on, you others that post nothing but belittling remarks...start living from the heart, there is still time to become a part of the wonderful entrainment of loving consciousness changing the world.
Expressing opinions consistently laced with hate(in any shade) has had its day.

Changing everything Dr. Deagle knows of and shares, one 'everything' at a time in the now that you choose, so that the energy of the dark force on this planet dissipates and disappears is what the passing on of the knowledge from these interviews is all about! This information gets to the "core" of evil matters...and the more we concentrate on dissolving the energy of this core and changing it ALL to unconditional loving consciousness the sooner we will turn that core to love and light re-connecting it to the Higher Consciousness...

Our Higher Consciousness of Love!



Project Camelot video interview with Dr Bill Deagle - Page 3 -
Project Avalon Forum:
http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?p=62394#post62394

[malcolmpearson]

Frankly I don't think I can form an opinion from just 1 viewing. There is such a wealth of info that I ned to study this closely. Perhaps we all need to look again.

[dragondweller]

Thank you everyone for your feedback.

Yes, I do find Deagle's delivery potent and powerful and scary.

Correct me if I'm wrong but if I understood his message correctly, he said there is no way to stop what is coming and no where to hide. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

He did say certain positive empowering things like standing up to evil and getting in touch with ourselves, etc.

But some of his comments just go overboard with scariness. They are going to come and shackle you and take you away? They will kill 90% of the population and chip us? There's no where on earth to hide? Not underground, not anywhere? He talks directly to God? Directly all the time? I find that hard to believe, because my understanding is that God is the ultimate force/entity in the universe and is most likely a perfect source of love, not hopelesness, evil, and fear. He talks directly to God, the most powerful entity in the universe, but he has no power to stop any of these evil things himself and he's not smart enough to spread a message of strength, love and hope to people, rather than paralyzing, scary, and depressing fear? I'm sorry, but there's just something very not prophet-like about him and his message.

I mean some of the things he says will happen, very well may happen. But, there's nothing positive, loving, or empowering about his message. No solutions. Just fear spreading, for the most part.

I mean, where is the hope in this message? What am I supposed to do with this information? He just goes overboard with fear, evil, and lack of options. For a so-called prophet, there's not enough free will and love in his message, from what I can perceive. Not at all. His vibe and message is not a message of very much hope, love or free will, in my opinion. What if we all don't vote? Is that solution even remotely possible considering what a small percentage of people are on Project Camelot/Avalon? His message is very weak for a so-called prophet, but he does have a lot to say that is interesting, I suppose, if you can weed out the B.S. and nonsense, and keep from crapping your pants with fear.

[Myplanet2]

Bill Deagle - EGO EGO EGO
A true man of god is humble and gracious.

I'd have to view that as personal opinion.

Seemly most likely in my explorations so far is that connections "upstairs" would work on a graduated scale. Degrees of connectedness. Total connections would probably be undetectable farther south, while total un-connectedness is not likely possible.

Most, like Bill Deagle would likely fall somewhere in the middle, which is an awkward place to be.

I've known, and do know many who were "hooked right up" at a high level (you have to look past the words, because they do no justice to the reality) who seemed insane to those with little connection. communication becomes very garbled between the physical and the spiritual realms.

Communication on the physical requires constant proof, and "I can't get touchy/feely with it, so it's bull...) while communication from the spiritual realms, (yes, there is a heirarchical structure there too) often comes across as dream like or disjointed from time, with a metaphorical quality.

It's a rare, priceless gem who is able to straddle both worlds, and speak in both in understandable fashion.

Bill is not one of those people. Bills existence in the here and now, obviously plays heavily in his output. But that doesn't mean he doesn't have a higher connections, nor does it mean he has nothing to offer.

He's one of a long list of people who's long term product is likely to be multitudes having learned the art of discernment.

If you're looking for someone to say, "this is what will happen to you, and this is what you must do about it", then you have not yet begun to learn the lessons of discernment on offer by all those with feet in both worlds.

There are some excellent observations and opinions in this thread.

[Greg10036]

I cannot comment on Dr. Deagles credibility but please allow me to say:

"Harry Truman is my seventh cousin. By direct lineage, I am president of the United States. I have been empowered by this lineage to be president of the United States. People may say, 'how can Greg be president? He does not look like a president.' To this I respond, I did not choose this job. I am president. I have direct lineage to the presidency. This is not easy, but somebody has to do it. Ask me any question and I will give you very long answers. You will see how much I know about being president. Thank you for your support in this noble burden.
BTW a three book deal has been signed and a movie is in the works. You can read more about this at website:
ofcoursegregispresidentitisobvious.com
for further information on how bad it is, see the doom blog at:
nobodygetsoutofitalive.com"

g.
:winksmiley02:

[Steve_G]

I think that the most important thing Deagle said was about religion and getting away from it. All the great spiritual teachers have said that you don't need ANYONE to speak to 'God' for you, and they were right. Religions are institutions set up to enslave the mind and supress the knowledge of our own divinity and innate worth. Whatever else he said I agree 100% with that part.

As for the rest of it... well, his visions of horror aren't pleasant but they aren't impossible either. I'm sure the nutcases that actually run this world would love to see them manifest but that doesn't mean they will. I have to say that his visions don't resonate with me but I'm pretty sure he believes what he says.

[Gale]

He is not a Prophet of our Creator, what Bill said about the Messiah is a lie. We are to expect the coming of King Jesus, the Messiah. Bill's wording in part 3 went something like, “We are the Messiah”, is wrong, so creditability just went down the toilet.
In totally dismissing the coming of King Jesus he can avoid any discussion of the Kingdom, the ramifications and what is expected from us humans.

:thumbdown:

[burgundia]

He said what he wanted to say. I listened to him as well as I listened to many others. And I am going to follow my inner voice when it comes to critical decisions. But I believe it is good to listen to many sides, to many people and on the basis of all that, draw your own conclusion.

[Myplanet2]

He is not a Prophet of our Creator, what Bill said about the Messiah is a lie. We are to expect the coming of King Jesus, the Messiah. Bill's wording in part 3 went something like, “We are the Messiah”, is wrong, so creditability just went down the toilet.
In totally dismissing the coming of King Jesus he can avoid any discussion of the Kingdom, the ramifications and what is expected from us humans.

:thumbdown:

Opinions dressed in "facts" clothing.

[eaglespirit]

“We are the Messiah”



THIS is meant in a SPIRITUAL context!

You and I ARE One with the Creator...
EGO dissolves and we become AS the Creator and "co-create" our destiny in the physical by personal-unselfish-unconditional LOVING in the NOW...
Transcending the physical to the spiritual/mystic world of ONENESS!
And bringing that ONENESS to Mother Earth with OUR every thought, word and action, right now in the now!

That is what he means and implies by the statement:

"We Are The Messiah"

http://www.diamondlady.net/the%20way%20home%20to%20oneness.jpg

[pineal-pilot-in merkabah]

hes didnt say anything we doidnt know about already.. he went into more detail which was great. organised religion is tosh as he stated. the people that follow it are unknowingly in most cases being ultimatley controlled by satanic forces. the books and teachings are way twisted and corrupted by current day satanists like the pope ect.. i mean we can take what he says about himself with a pinch of salt. i like his info and dont stan one way or the other on him being a prohet as much as i do about david wilcok channeloing edgar cayce or whatever.. remember we are moving into the endtimes. life a s we know it is about to come to an abrupt halt so we cant really rely on past judgemental attituded to people.

we must be open minded yet caustious,follow no organised currently established religions or cults and maintain our soverignty as humans at all costs..all major religions have been corrupted, i think he is getting at follow god personally with out a conduit such as a preacher or other go betweens..

[dragondweller]

Another thing that I find sort of inconsistent or silly is that he constantly talks about not getting involved in religion, yet quotes the bible constantly and claims he's descended from Moses and is a prophet, just like Judaism, Christianity, and Islam all had prophets. So, should we now follow him? Is he the new prophet of his new religion? He says he's a piece of hardened steel. Possibly, mentally and spiritually, but franky, I don't fully buy it. And if he's talking physically, he could probably use some exercise. He's an egomaniac. Egomaniacs aren't usually prophets and fear mongerers, I don't think. Therefore, although some or a lot of what he says may be true, there's something really off about him and not all that helpful and God-like.

[Gale]

Eaglespirt, listen to part 3 again, specificly where Bill mentions the Messiah. Quote, (33:55) "We have to stop looking for an external Messiah...come in the clouds, which is ridiculious...this ET stuff is crazy stuff too...the fact is what will save us is us...I have seen the Messiah and the Messiah is us" Bill Ryan said, "Very good".

:thumbdown:

[micjer]

Another thing that I find sort of inconsistent or silly is that he constantly talks about not getting involved in religion, yet quotes the bible constantly and claims he's descended from Moses and is a prophet, just like Judaism, Christianity, and Islam all had prophets. So, should we now follow him? Is he the new prophet of his new religion? He says he's a piece of hardened steel. Possibly, mentally and spiritually, but franky, I don't fully buy it. And if he's talking physically, he could probably use some exercise. He's an egomaniac. Egomaniacs aren't usually prophets and fear mongerers, I don't think. Therefore, although some or a lot of what he says may be true, there's something really off about him and not all that helpful and God-like.



I was thinking this also.

Also wish he quit saying "people have to understand"

:mfr_omg:

[Richard T]

Prophets live a sort of possession. They do not quote though.
The problem with prophets of the past is that they always yielded to the invisible.
A spiritual connection is not good enough.

[eaglespirit]

Eaglespirt, listen to part 3 again, specificly where Bill mentions the Messiah. Quote, (33:55) "We have to stop looking for an external Messiah...come in the clouds, which is ridiculious...this ET stuff is crazy stuff too...the fact is what will save us is us...I have seen the Messiah and the Messiah is us" Bill Ryan said, "Very good".

:thumbdown:

Gale, How are You?

We are talking of the same things...are we not?

WE have to write Our Own Script...the powers that be DO NOT want us to find the time and energy and insight to "write our own scripts" and change everything to Oneness in the now..and WE ARE DOING THAT...it may be only 20% of the world grabbing hold of this insight at different levels right now BUT
the entrainment is taking hold and the 'powers that be' cannot pulls us back or down by the shirt tails because the entrainment of Consciousness is getting too strong...we have passed the tipping point.
What this interview does IS increases "awareness" of Our Own Direct Input to this tipping point of unconditional love in action in the now One by One changing everything in our very own lives.

WE are the ONES We have been waiting for!

One by One, Together, We ARE the Messiah[FIGURATIVELY in the Physical and REALISTICALLY in the Spiritual]...
We ARE directly connected to Divinity and can re-awaken to that beauty and bring it "home" right here and right now!
And the 'powers that be' do NOT want us to connect to that Oneness Consciousness and bring it to fruition en-masse!

BUT it is too late...WE are already there... and it will be 50% of the worldwide population that has a hold of this in varying degrees very soon...
and that entrainment of connection to "personal divinity" and putting it into action in the now will go exponential...the whole world IS changing over to unconditional love and oneness, one by one by one.

NOW as I type this!

Onward and Upward!

[historycircus]

Wow.

If the same personal attacks were leveled at David Wilcock, or Michael St. Clair, there would be ten forum pages defending everything they have ever written.

Let's forget the pointless attacks - he is fat, talks quickly, has an ego (the guy holds a Ph.D. in molecular biology and is liscensed to practice medicine - I'd be pretty proud of that too). Let's move on to the biggie.

Deagle is a doom monger. His message makes you feel bad, and inspires fear. What drew you to Camelot and Avalon? Are we here because we all think everything is just fine, and the world is in complete balance? The wars, famines, genocides, and economic collapses of our times are all just naturally repeating cycles of the human condition that will work themselves out? Nope. We're here because we can sense something is terribly wrong with our world. Deagle, and many others, are just outlining their interpretation of what is wrong. The problems won't go away if we quit talking about them. And, if you all want to go the manifestation route, if we collectively consider the absolute horror of a nuke going off in L.A., or a martial law scenario, and collectively despise it, won't that help us collectively avert manifesting such horrific tragedy?

I can't really say I'm at a place right now where I believe that Deagle is Moses's ancestor (not his reincarnate). However, is it any more impossible to believe than Wilcock's existance as the ghost of Edgar Cayce? Bob Dean's adventures in ancient mesopotamia? Phil Schnieder's fire fight with the grays? Billy Meier's backyard parties with the Plaeidians? David Icke's fight against the lizard people?

The real trick with these Camelot interviews and other sources, is to take something of value away from them - or else you will have just wasted your time. Why do anything that does not enrich your existence? Besides, I think that is why Kerry and Bill do the videos - to educate.

I like what Deagle had to say about the nature of spirituality. I think he uses so much of the Bible because it is a beautiful philosophy, is it not? The old and new testaments both exalt love and promote morality. But they have been appropriated by organized religions that evolved as part of power structures; they were organs, or the body, of various states - and in many ways still are, even right here in the U.S. It is the individual relationship with the divine that is the most important for the health of the spirit, all other relationships only add flavor to the experience. That is the one truth that ideally, all people of faith and spirituality can share - as Martha Stewart would say, "and that's a good thing." If the big three monotheistic religions of the world could get together and recognize that, war would all but dissappear from the globe. I thought that was some pretty deep stuff to consider, and that was one of the positive things that I took away from the interview.

[dragondweller]

I like your points HistoryCircus. I do think that Deagle is a powerful and interesting speaker, more so than some of the others. He really grabs your attention. I don't even talk about Wilcock and some of the other speakers because they don't grab me as hard, I guess.

As far as religions dividing us, I would have to say that this is the plan of the world elite in the first place - divide and conquer. Divide us with religion, with countries, with cheering for sports teams, with political parties, etc.

[samncheese]

We are heading for a change, in the christian text it is called judgement, but what ever you call it, something is coming. According to any spiritual leader you talk to how it ends is up to you. We are just coming to understand our universe and how we are part of it. That we are living energy, and this reality is constructed of the overlaping of our energy and thought, which creates the illusion of mater.

Now that that is out of the way, it appears that we are coming to this energy shift soon and there will be some difficult times leading to it, then when the shift comes the possibility of more than one outcome is possible. It has been said that there will be three heavens and three earths. It is possible that most of the beings on this planet will shift into three groups, three groups of an energy range.

Think about it, there is a story by one of the main alarmist on Camelot that says a group of our decendants come back here and report that 2/3 of all people die with out a trace of were they went. They are speaking from the future on the event that is just ahead of us. From thier point of view everyone perished exept them. They were the lowest enery group, not realizing that nobody died they just moved on to a different plane of existance.

Why do you think the world is at it's highest population? It is so that a maximum amout of beings can expierence this coming jump. Don't let your heart be troubled, everything is just as it should be. There are groups and entities that don't see things as they are or wish to scare you into fear. Fear is a bad energy, be happy and at peace this is a positive thing.

be at Peace

[Anticomuna]

I have watched that interview and in my opinion it is complete BS. The guy just came up with the most common ideas in the new age/ufo/conspiracy groups and repeated them. The guy thinks he can hear God! He should be sent to a mental institution!

I know people that believe they can hear "spirits". They are some not-so-intelligent miserable individuals who can't create anything (either technology, art or whatever) and live miserably (and trying to make others to be the same). All these kind of people want is to gain power over others. How? By being "the channel" between "the spirits" and you. That's not "evolved" in any way!

But let's be objective. He gave lots of information about things he did and places he lived in. Could project Camelot actually do some fact checking in order to see if he actually lived and worked in the places he said he did, and if anybody in those places knows him and can tell something about him? This would be true investigation and true research. Without it, this is probably the biggest BS so far in project camelot.

Even if all the things he said he worked on and the places he lived in were correct, it would still be hard to believe that he is prophet. But at least it would give some credibility to this pile of nonsense.

[Dominic]

He said what he wanted to say. I listened to him as well as I listened to many others. And I am going to follow my inner voice when it comes to critical decisions. But I believe it is good to listen to many sides, to many people and on the basis of all that, draw your own conclusion.

This is exactly the way I listen and digest every interview. Great interview!!
Keep them coming.

Love and peace

[Ashatav]

Gale, How are You?

We are talking of the same things...are we not?

WE have to write Our Own Script...the powers that be DO NOT want us to find the time and energy and insight to "write our own scripts" and change everything to Oneness in the now..and WE ARE DOING THAT...it may be only 20% of the world grabbing hold of this insight at different levels right now BUT
the entrainment is taking hold and the 'powers that be' cannot pulls us back or down by the shirt tails because the entrainment of Consciousness is getting too strong...we have passed the tipping point.
What this interview does IS increases "awareness" of Our Own Direct Input to this tipping point of unconditional love in action in the now One by One changing everything in our very own lives.

WE are the ONES We have been waiting for!

One by One, Together, We ARE the Messiah[FIGURATIVELY in the Physical and REALISTICALLY in the Spiritual]...
We ARE directly connected to Divinity and can re-awaken to that beauty and bring it "home" right here and right now!
And the 'powers that be' do NOT want us to connect to that Oneness Consciousness and bring it to fruition en-masse!

BUT it is too late...WE are already there... and it will be 50% of the worldwide population that has a hold of this in varying degrees very soon...
and that entrainment of connection to "personal divinity" and putting it into action in the now will go exponential...the whole world IS changing over to unconditional love and oneness, one by one by one.

NOW as I type this!

Onward and Upward!

Yeah, We are the ones who must make the difference.

We have to be Active.

Think in Ghandi.


If Ghandi would not done anything India still would be in invaders hands.


So many good posts here...

I think the most important thing he says is that the Importance of Each human being and the fact that we are much, much more than we think we are.

That's the important thing, the same say the other day David Icke in his interview to the british tv (!).

We are sons of G O D and have the right to make this world a good non-stupid place.

Hi!

[Theresa]

haven't listened to him yet, but I love all the discussion here....Great insights and "wrangling it out." Blessings!

[suchanawesomekid]

Correct me if I'm wrong but if I understood his message correctly, he said there is no way to stop what is coming and no where to hide. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

He's very clear when he says time is liquid, not solid, and he mentions several times how humanity has a role to play, that the future is not written in stone.

He talks directly to God? Directly all the time? I find that hard to believe, because my understanding is that God is the ultimate force/entity in the universe and is most likely a perfect source of love, not hopelesness, evil, and fear. He talks directly to God, the most powerful entity in the universe

My understanding is that you, me, everyone, is a fragment of this creational force we call God. This creational force is not a system or entity outside ourselves, it is the core of who we are. The human form (us) represents the physical manifestation of God.


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As I expressed before, I think we need people like Dr. Deagle willing to put their reputations on the line so they can effectively PANIC PEOPLE to react to change.

I am perfectly fine with him trying to make me panic with facts I would otherwise completely let slide.

It is our job to continue doing research so we can get a richer view of the events unfolding on the planet.

[suchanawesomekid]

The guy thinks he can hear God! He should be sent to a mental institution!

you could too, if you tune in.

it's perfectly natural for a human being to hear the source of its creation.

[Jnana]

Deagle's message, as I heard it, is simple:
1. We each need to remember who we are (this was elaborated on in various ways).
2. Stand up to evil (don't be silent).

Bill pushed hard for more information on coming events so that people can prepare. Deagle said #1 prepare spiritually, #2 prepare physically (food, water, etc.). He discussed what he knew about the events because he was asked to, and to emphasize the urgency of the situation.

If the message you got was one of fear mongering, then it may be more a problem with your outlook than with the content of the what was presented. Try listening again and focus on the positive aspects of the message. He didn't present an inevitable future - he said what needs to be done to avoid the future that he sees as likely if we stay on the current course.

[uniconr]

I have watched that interview and in my opinion it is complete BS. The guy just came up with the most common ideas in the new age/ufo/conspiracy groups and repeated them. The guy thinks he can hear God! He should be sent to a mental institution!

I know people that believe they can hear "spirits". They are some not-so-intelligent miserable individuals who can't create anything (either technology, art or whatever) and live miserably (and trying to make others to be the same). All these kind of people want is to gain power over others. How? By being "the channel" between "the spirits" and you. That's not "evolved" in any way!

dr. deagle is not attempting to be a spiritual middleman.. in fact it is just the opposite; he is encouraging people to get in touch with the source of creation themselves, if you think that is crazy, then you dont have to even try, but your public spew of judgement and negativity.. uncalled for in this community to say the least.

anticomuna, if it is your opinion that the most common ideas in the new age/ufo/conspiracy groups are completely false, i have to question exactly what your interest is in the project camelot material..

regardless, i agree with astroboy. try tuning in, and dont stop trying until you dont have to try.

[vettman]

Folks, basically it comes down to this. Bill and Kerry are presenting as many different facets to the story/picture/scenario as possible...in other words, they are "questioning everything..." as Einstein said. He also said "Condemnation without investigation is the height of ignorance." You may or may not agree with them OR Dr. Deagle. You don't have to, and you certainly shouldn't just on hearing what he or anyone has to say. You most definetly should investigate for yourself and come to your own conclusions.

There was much of the most recent interview with Dr. Deagle that doesn't resonate with me as well, HOWEVER, it is simply another perspective, that's all. Take it or leave it as you will. The simple answer to any and all of the information that is presented to us by Bill and Kerry is this:

"If it works for you, or if it doesn't work for you."

If it doesn't work for you, move along. If it does work for you, make sure it is because you have investigated it on your own and "know" within your own Being that it is your truth.

There is no "one" correct path for all. Each individual path is the correct path for each soul expression. Take what works for you and run with it. That which does not work for you, as I said move along. It doesn't mean that that is how it is for the next person. There is no right or wrong...ONLY that which 'does' or 'does not' work for each of us.

I nor you have experienced the life experiences that Dr. Deagle has. I myself have had many awakening experiences that many of my friends and family have labeled as crazy and insane...but to ME, and MY experience, it makes total sense and I understand it perfectly. Such is the experience of each and every one of us..."unique." The "experience" is what this is all about...as many and as varied experiences as possible in order to gain as much "experience" as possible. That includes all things dark and all things light, ultimately to settle into balance in all things, but only through the extremes of the polarity can that be achieved. Far be it from me to intervene on the experience(s) of another. Just watching the videos and determining for yourself whether or not anything he says works for you or not, is an "experience"! is it not? To limit yourself in any way is to limit your level of experience. Personally, I want to gain as much experience as I possibly can so that I don't have to repeat any of this again. Heaven or Hell (if you will) is what you make of your experience right here, right now. I personally think that the 3rd dimension is as close to Hell as a soul can get but as some might say, a necessary evil. If that is the case, it only gets better from here on out!

[Anticomuna]

...in other words, they are "questioning everything..." as Einstein said. He also said "Condemnation without investigation is the height of ignorance."

No, there are lots of questions that weren't asked. For example, who is this guy? Really that he did all the things he said he did? Does anybody in the places he said he knew remember him? Can his sources be checked?

Questioning is not condemnation and possibility is not truth.

If he says he hears God then I would expect some kind of evidence, like ressurrecting the dead, walking on water, turning water into wine, etc. :mfr_lol:

He is now a direct competitor to Billy Meier. Another prophet and another big ego. But at least Billy Meier has some cool pictures, even though questionable, and a more interesting story to tell.

[Jonah]

Prophets live a sort of possession. They do not quote though.
The problem with prophets of the past is that they always yielded to the invisible.
A spiritual connection is not good enough.

Are you saying he needs to connect his physical world as well?

Not just his spirit.

Is it his love for the invisible that causes his vision's to be misunderstood?

[JohnWdoe]

I'm sorry, but I spent last night and this morning listening to this guy in the newest 3 part interview. There's something interesting and credible with this guy, but too much that just isn't. I think he is a government insider spreading fear, disinformation, and he ultimately wants us to give up religion, which is probably a new world order/one world government agenda anyway. There's something really off about him.

First of all, he offers no solutions, just a gloom and doom scenario and a lot of fear. If he's right about the nuclear devestation and no where to hide on earth, there's nothing that can be done about it. If he's not right, anyone who listens to him has just bought into all the fear that he spreads and wasted their time and energy feeling helpless and hopeless and waiting for the devestation. I'm certainly guilty of the latter, and who wants to live their life a paranoid fool, waiting for bad things to happen? Won't I feel stupid if they never do, like I wasted my life in anticipation that life isn't worth the effort of living? In the meantime, he promotes his web site on nutritionals, trying to make a profit. I would imagine that some of his products might come in handy for "preparing" for what is to come. Is that what a prophet does? Promote himself to make profits?

This guy has no peace in him. He talks directly to God? He is a prophet? I doubt that. What solution did he come up with during that interview? Hardly any. Just a lot of fear, gloom and doom. Total bullsh*t. How many times did he touch his nose during the interview, a body language sign that you're lying? He's a prophet? Prophets spread fear, gloom, and doom, offer no real solutions, and say that they are prophets? Some prophet.

This guy talks very fast, rambles about all sorts of different subjects, can't keep on topic 1/2 the time, etc. He's been everywhere and done everything under the sun, it seems. He was at Columbine, he was here, he was there, blah blah blah. I think he's some sort of pathological liar and bullsh*t artist, personally. I just don't know why he's even interviewed by Project Camelot.

There is something there. He possesses a great deal of knowledge and is talented. But, ultimately, he's done too much and his ultimate message is nothing but fear. What's the point? He's a fear monger with no real solutions. That's what the government likes to do. Send in guys like this with no real solutions, spreading fear and despair, and subtle disinformation. I think Alex Jones could be another one, frankly. Profiteering from making people scared, envisioning hopelessness, and not giving real solutions.

That's my opinion. Deagle's vibe promotes fear, confusion, and hopelessness.


I'm sorry, but I spent last night and this morning listening to this guy in the newest 3 part interview. There's something interesting and credible with this guy, but too much that just isn't. I think he is a government insider spreading fear, disinformation, and he ultimately wants us to give up religion, which is probably a new world order/one world government agenda anyway. There's something really off about him.

It seems everyone who speaks about forming a one world religion is a NWO insider well also those who want to abolish it are also "NWO" agents here to rule the world... What ever happened to the real situations behind why Religion is a plague? I have no problem with its cultural heritage and being proud but to believe and ignore the obvious truths about Catholicism would be foolish.

First of all, he offers no solutions, just a gloom and doom scenario and a lot of fear. If he's right about the nuclear devestation and no where to hide on earth, there's nothing that can be done about it. If he's not right, anyone who listens to him has just bought into all the fear that he spreads and wasted their time and energy feeling helpless and hopeless and waiting for the devestation. I'm certainly guilty of the latter, and who wants to live their life a paranoid fool, waiting for bad things to happen? Won't I feel stupid if they never do, like I wasted my life in anticipation that life isn't worth the effort of living? In the meantime, he promotes his web site on nutritionals, trying to make a profit. I would imagine that some of his products might come in handy for "preparing" for what is to come. Is that what a prophet does? Promote himself to make profits?


You are right about the doom and gloom aspects but we ourselves open our ears to the message, it all depends on who hears it and frankly that CAN be a bad thing, hell, i know my friend who was absolutely paranoid about this and it made me look like some kind of fringe leader when the person paranoid only knew about Nibiru, it spreads quite easy and labels us all.

You are right in people wasting their lives in fear, some also waste their lives in helping the helpless, some people simply don't want to hear it and the more breath we waste on them the more time we waste trying to find that goodness in ourselves - their must be many who waste their time on others well nothing comes of it. When this happens we have all sorts of other things we can sell to people like the various Homeopathy shysters, its all about hitting a certain market - i.e personality.

This guy has no peace in him. He talks directly to God? He is a prophet? I doubt that. What solution did he come up with during that interview? Hardly any. Just a lot of fear, gloom and doom. Total bullsh*t. How many times did he touch his nose during the interview, a body language sign that you're lying? He's a prophet? Prophets spread fear, gloom, and doom, offer no real solutions, and say that they are prophets? Some prophet.

He may be a subject of EMF waves or Blue Beam technology (i have no proof of this) but the only other logistical answer is that he is being manipulated into his own belief system to spread what ever the handler chooses. I wasn't to aware of his body language but ill go over it and see whats up.

If you want to make a quick buck in a consumer based economy you must either make them afraid or lie to them - either way you get the cash.

This guy talks very fast, rambles about all sorts of different subjects, can't keep on topic 1/2 the time, etc. He's been everywhere and done everything under the sun, it seems. He was at Columbine, he was here, he was there, blah blah blah. I think he's some sort of pathological liar and bullsh*t artist, personally. I just don't know why he's even interviewed by Project Camelot.

A rambling man is a man who has to much on his mind and his assertion about Columbine was something i have NEVER heard about... The FBI shot some kids?? very odd indeed, and if so why?? to rack the kill count up more and take away peoples guns? thats just a thought but who knows...

There is something there. He possesses a great deal of knowledge and is talented. But, ultimately, he's done too much and his ultimate message is nothing but fear. What's the point? He's a fear monger with no real solutions. That's what the government likes to do. Send in guys like this with no real solutions, spreading fear and despair, and subtle disinformation. I think Alex Jones could be another one, frankly. Profiteering from making people scared, envisioning hopelessness, and not giving real solutions.

How many people have i seen within the truth movement repeat the same story and offer not a solution?? jesus to many to count, it seems the more they learn the more they realize how F u c k e d they are.

Alex Jones and Bill Deagle say they want the best for mankind but they themselves fall into the "sheeple, naa naa naa" crowd and always blame it on the phantom, its come to a point where the term New World Order could be used against us to paint us all as loons, how many people within the movement have given us ALL bad names?? quite a bunch... and when people like us try to get the real truth we get labeled debunkers. Even people within this site have called me a debunker simply because im TIRED of hearing all this BS, but no it never seems to fit the agenda of he who is way over his head.

Reality is so far away from humanity right now its a complete mystery.

[BooBear]

After listening to Dr Deagle and his quite staggering stories and predictions, I am now convinced he is playing a part in the "BlueBeam Project". Part truth-part disinfo.
Did he say he was a related to Moses ? Deagle is a doom and gloom merchant.:shocked: Stay well clear. As for David Wilcock, he is clearly a new age Guru wannabe. Ironically ,DW doesnt rate Deagle either.
The more I research 2012 and its significance, the more I see NWO.:smoke:

[ChickenLittle]

I really want to believe in Deagle... but when he starts going on about how many 100's of super-natural, magical experiences he has had It’s more about HOW he describes them) my "Discernment" says he may have some incites, but he seriously embellishes the truth of his experiences. He talks fast like a pathological liar friend I used to know. It’s a bummer that Project Camelot gives Deagle their time and energy.

:thumbdown:

I'm sorry, but I spent last night and this morning listening to this guy in the newest 3 part interview. There's something interesting and credible with this guy, but too much that just isn't. I think he is a government insider spreading fear, disinformation, and he ultimately wants us to give up religion, which is probably a new world order/one world government agenda anyway. There's something really off about him.

First of all, he offers no solutions, just a gloom and doom scenario and a lot of fear. If he's right about the nuclear devestation and no where to hide on earth, there's nothing that can be done about it. If he's not right, anyone who listens to him has just bought into all the fear that he spreads and wasted their time and energy feeling helpless and hopeless and waiting for the devestation. I'm certainly guilty of the latter, and who wants to live their life a paranoid fool, waiting for bad things to happen? Won't I feel stupid if they never do, like I wasted my life in anticipation that life isn't worth the effort of living? In the meantime, he promotes his web site on nutritionals, trying to make a profit. I would imagine that some of his products might come in handy for "preparing" for what is to come. Is that what a prophet does? Promote himself to make profits?

This guy has no peace in him. He talks directly to God? He is a prophet? I doubt that. What solution did he come up with during that interview? Hardly any. Just a lot of fear, gloom and doom. Total bullsh*t. How many times did he touch his nose during the interview, a body language sign that you're lying? He's a prophet? Prophets spread fear, gloom, and doom, offer no real solutions, and say that they are prophets? Some prophet.

This guy talks very fast, rambles about all sorts of different subjects, can't keep on topic 1/2 the time, etc. He's been everywhere and done everything under the sun, it seems. He was at Columbine, he was here, he was there, blah blah blah. I think he's some sort of pathological liar and bullsh*t artist, personally. I just don't know why he's even interviewed by Project Camelot.

There is something there. He possesses a great deal of knowledge and is talented. But, ultimately, he's done too much and his ultimate message is nothing but fear. What's the point? He's a fear monger with no real solutions. That's what the government likes to do. Send in guys like this with no real solutions, spreading fear and despair, and subtle disinformation. I think Alex Jones could be another one, frankly. Profiteering from making people scared, envisioning hopelessness, and not giving real solutions.

That's my opinion. Deagle's vibe promotes fear, confusion, and hopelessness.

[JohnWdoe]

But my post above is answering your questions and thats all, i honestly think Bill is a good man who is trying his best to understand the situation (like all of us) just he has the real life experience to back it up and on that note he can be labeled an insider or "plant".

If we never had a whistle blower what would we have? really nothing but declassified information, it seems Bill had a slow start and seeing Kerry actually get "angry" and to see Bill start using the "time out sign" was quite odd, i think Kerry knows alot more then she leads on, as Zorgy told me - The things released in public are not always what you hear in person, some of the things these insiders know they wont even release on camera simply because its either to far out or just plain scary.

Bill is a good man from what i can gather but i still keep a keen eye on him (from what i can see) and take it like apples and oranges.

He wants to help.

[Emman]

Another thing that I find sort of inconsistent or silly is that he constantly talks about not getting involved in religion, yet quotes the bible constantly and claims he's descended from Moses and is a prophet, just like Judaism, Christianity, and Islam all had prophets. So, should we now follow him? Is he the new prophet of his new religion? He says he's a piece of hardened steel. Possibly, mentally and spiritually, but franky, I don't fully buy it. And if he's talking physically, he could probably use some exercise. He's an egomaniac. Egomaniacs aren't usually prophets and fear mongerers, I don't think. Therefore, although some or a lot of what he says may be true, there's something really off about him and not all that helpful and God-like.


Deagle says we must "repent". That is such a loaded word to me. Kind of like the N word. I wish he would define what he means by repent. I get a revulsion from that word that brings to mind when someone says we must repent. I think of an extreme Christian fundamentalist talking. I, too, wonder about his quoting the bible. On the one hand, he says some very straightforward hardcore spirtual concepts that no conventional Christian at this point would accept. But, on the other hand he'll say something like the burning bush spoke....etc. It's a weird dichotomy to me.

As with any and all sources of information, we must be skeptical. When he claims to be a direct descendant of Moses, or that he attended a galactic council that oversees whether we'll be "aborted spirits" or not, we can only take his word on it. Bill and Kerry let it go and didn't call him on it. But, that wasn't what the interview was about whether he can substantiate his claims. He was supposed to give us a rundown on what to expect in the coming days and weeks ahead as Bill was trying at the start to set the premise for this interview. He went off in so many tangents that even after almost 3 hours I was left still wanting answers.

[AndyH]

Did anyone else notice that he said the asteroid belt is between Earth and Mars!!?

I find it strange that he'd say that given it's common knowledge that it's located between Mars and Jupiter.

[Rebel4Life]

one word. EGO. :smoke:

[Truth voice 2012]

Well said pineal-pilot. Bills interview for me, was just another confirmation of the main issues that we face.

ETs are controlling every aspect of our lives (Religion, Military, Politics, Education and the Media) except for our free will.

These ETs are higher dimensional reptilian buggers!

They feed off negative energy and interact with this dimention through the "blue bloods" via their unique DNA.

Apperently the only way to defeat these fiends is to boycot ALL of their institutions and drop our egos. Im hopeful but, I find it very hard to believe that this will occur.

Bill for me wasnt fearmongering, he has made the same logical conclusion of our current situation, that I have made myself. I hate to say it but he was right on the money about a lot off things in this vid.

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[granny]

Historycircus post:

"The real trick with these Camelot interviews and other sources, is to take something of value away from them - or else you will have just wasted your time. Why do anything that does not enrich your existence? Besides, I think that is why Kerry and Bill do the videos - to educate. "


My approach exactly and thanks for bringing it to mind.

There was one word Deagle used repeatedly ... discernment ... and that is what we need to bring to this party.
Gran

[Tuza]

There are many reasons why I believe Bill Deagle is the real deal. He confirmed the vision I had years ago about what was going on underground as far as the chimero/human manipulations experimentations. I was glad I relayed my vision to a Camelot whistleblower by a PM, telling them what I saw before I saw BW's recent interview which confirmed mine.

Fear mongering, ego, well you have to have some sort of ego to live on the planet and speak up, it helps you know, but having said that, don't blame anyone but yourselves if the shtf and you have not prepared because he tried to tell you what to do to prepare, and is not that what we came to Project Avalon to do, - ground crews to prepare - yes it was a strong interview but what did you expect - fluffy warm hugs - look whats going on around you - and that is just the tip of the iceberg - the general public on the whole has not got an iota of what is realling going on. This guy knows people, has been confided to - been to places and knows secrets - all he is trying to do is wake people up for God' sake - meaning our sake.

If we just sit around and talk to each other and do nothing then we have no one to blame but ourselves when it is over and we are in spirit and we did nothing. I have a poll on another thread - I am prepared now to go over and talk in front of the bad guys - and there are some bad ones out there - okay so they might be playing this game - well I will put myself in the game and play it - my move - if only they will let me speak somewhere to some important people - eventhough I am just an uneducated housewife, mum and grandmum. :lightsabre::original: at least I tried.

[TruthWillSetUFree]

Everyone on here is at a different consciousness level and why not everyone "got" the context of Deagle's spiritual message.

Jesus said, "Those who have eyes to see and ears to hear" I believe his message long ago was the same as the spiritual messages of today as he was a master of quantum physics. This was depicted in the story of the mustard seed.
He came to tell us that, "Ye are Gods" and we can do as he does and more if we believe.

It's funny how the people who do not understand the messages get so angry about them but then have a quote underneath speaking about love. I guess it is not so easy to love those we don't agree with!

Unconditional love is not about making other people wrong for their beliefs or accusing them of a big ego. To speak out these days you do need a strong ego with all the criticism and threats one gets, not only from forums but government groups who want to shut you up or kill you.

One person even said how he should be more humble as a man of God. This is of the old paradigm. Because the world is changing at such a rapid pace the spiritual teachers of today do not sit under a bodhi tree in meditation, they are more likely to kick ass get the job done.

Any man who stuck by having his daughter knowing she was down syndrome AND had a heart defect with so much love..........geez what are some of you thinking?

"By their fruits you shall know them" The only fruit I saw of the person who began this thread is condemnation, judgment, misunderstanding and ridicule.
It sounds like he is the disinfomation specialist.

I sincerely hope we can get it together here folks. Again, if you see a fault in another it is a fault you have but do not want to see about yourself. This is how we change the world, by looking at ourselves before we condemn another, then unconditionally loving them.

Peace & Love to you all.

[Tuza]

Exacto mundo as the Fonz used to say to the last post. I agree totally, don't say no one told you okay. Don't say you were not told by anyone. A few times the dark side actually tried to recruite Bill Deagle and he told them where to go - would you have been that strong - think about it for a minute, just a wee minute - go on - would you have had the guts to say no.

[HaveBlue]

I agree with David wilcocks assessment of Dr Deagle. I note this interview being the latest 3 part one was done back in September. His previous doomsday visions have not come true.
However he does have some valid things to say and we are wise to heed the warnings.
I had to smile right at the end of Pt3 where he said 'you won't even be safe in the south island of New Zealand'- That's where I am, and right next to the sea at 6ft above sea level. I am happy and comfortable here and have many times had my own gut feeling on things. I have no intention of moving.
Stocking up for a month or two on food and water and gas,being as self reliant as you are when camping is common sense.
Dr Deagle has filled us in on some black ops that go on,most of which is not new. His nightmares are not our reality. He should have mentioned in his many quotes of bible scripture that there will be many false prophets! Why does he neglect to mention this we must ask ourselves?:trumpet:

[micjer]

After listening to Dr Deagle and his quite staggering stories and predictions, I am now convinced he is playing a part in the "BlueBeam Project". Part truth-part disinfo.
Did he say he was a related to Moses ? Deagle is a doom and gloom merchant.:shocked: Stay well clear. As for David Wilcock, he is clearly a new age Guru wannabe. Ironically ,DW doesnt rate Deagle either.
The more I research 2012 and its significance, the more I see NWO.:smoke:



excuse my ignorance but are you saying that you think the 2012 event is being staged by the NWO?

[NOWIAM]

Would it be possible that Dr. Deagle has been conditioned by covert mind control experiments (e.g.: MK-ULTRA, etc)?

Does anyone have any detailed information of various tell-tale signs of mind control victims?

:blink:

[Myplanet2]

I finally got the time to listen to all three segments, and I found I got a lot out of them. There was lots I could agree with. I can personally do without the insistence upon impending doom that is unconfrontable by practically anyone, but I understand his sense of urgency.

His experiences are real to him, or he's an actor in a league of his own. I'd say he must believe what he says. Just an intuition.

I am now kind of surprised at how easily some simply dismiss him. That's interesting.

But as said so often now, just take what you find useful, and leave the rest. If you really don't think there is anything of value in Deagle's work, then ignore him from now on.

[MargueriteBee]

I cannot comment on Dr. Deagles credibility but please allow me to say:

"Harry Truman is my seventh cousin. By direct lineage, I am president of the United States. I have been empowered by this lineage to be president of the United States. People may say, 'how can Greg be president? He does not look like a president.' To this I respond, I did not choose this job. I am president. I have direct lineage to the presidency. This is not easy, but somebody has to do it. Ask me any question and I will give you very long answers. You will see how much I know about being president. Thank you for your support in this noble burden.
BTW a three book deal has been signed and a movie is in the works. You can read more about this at website:
ofcoursegregispresidentitisobvious.com
for further information on how bad it is, see the doom blog at:
nobodygetsoutofitalive.com"

g.
:winksmiley02:


Thank you very much, I could not have said it better myself.:roll1:

[broken arrow]

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[raulduke]

If we just sit around and talk to each other and do nothing then we have no one to blame but ourselves when it is over and we are in spirit and we did nothing.....at least I tried.

Amen sister.

We'll try hard....:thumb_yello:

[Accipiter_Phi]

I believe Deagle believes what he says. Obviously, people are responding intuitively to his message in many different ways.

In counseling, we sometimes use an exercise to understand one's point of view...

So, please Indulge this hypothetical construct:

It requires you to engage in a little bit of ROLE PLAY. Here is your character's motivation:

YOU are a prophet whose bloodline descends to "thee" hero of old: MOSES; the messenger of the Torah whom is known to be more humble than any other man... (and a probable Annunaki crossbreed).

YOU are 1 of the 24 most important men in the history of the Planet Earth since YOU have been personally hand selected as a representative by "the Galactic Grand Council" to establish rather or not the planet earth (and its infinite bio diversity potential) shall be extinguished like so much athlete's foot upon the sole (soul) of the Universe. Just think about that for a second ... YOU are LITERALLY 1 of the 24 most important hu-mans out of the trillions upon trillions of souls that have existed since the beginning of life here upon Gaia, "the cleaved one.".

YOU woke up one day and had a French Nobleman and CEO of Earth materialize out of thin air... and his name was "Dragon Penis" (translation of "PinDar"). "Dragon Penis" then told YOU that YOU have been slated to be the new "Dragon Penis"; i.e.: the new CEO of Earth. (I don't know about you, but the CEO of Earth sounds like a dick).

YOU can talk to GOD... via a direct link...

Through this link with the Infinite Creator of all that is, YOU were told that ALL religions are fraudulent... especially Buddhism (those damn war mongering Buddhists with their stupid infinite compassion :mad3: FOOLs!.. Every last emotionally balanced one of them!...)

YOU have always "been in the right place at the right time" and you have more "hands on" experience than fictional characters like "MacGyver, James Bond, Dr. Who, House M.D., and Vinzinni the Sicilian (from the Princess Bride) all rolled into one massive, intelligence singularity.

The Infinite Creator, THEE I AM PRESENCE, has charged YOU with a task to save Humanity... not JUST from "Physical Death" but from the DEATH of humanity's VERY SOUL... (I never knew the Universe was so wasteful with timeless and eternal beings; wasteful with fragments of the "I AM" attempting to experience itself through freewill, but I digress).

OK... now that YOU have your character's motivation.... lets start the hypothetical role play:

WHAT DO YOU DO?

Well, you probably want to get interviewed and spread the word... this is a "no brainer."

HOW DO YOU ACT?

Well, given the extreme experiential nature of your current incarnation, YOU would surely be as humble as Moses, no?

You would teach by example, since your 3rd dimensional experience is seemingly unparalleled by any other, no?

You would have no need to spend upwards of 60% of your interview dropping your proverbial "props" since you would KNOW that the truths that YOU espouse are self evident.

You, as 1 of the 24 most important men in the history of Planet Earth and one with GOD's home phone number, would convince the "lost ones" to furnish themselves with firearms... RIGHT?

You would give the populace the benefit of the doubt that they CAN handle the TRUTH (after all, YOU COULD). YOU WOULD NOT speak to them in a didactic and pedantic manner? Ofcourse.

YOU would be an instrument of GOD's peace,
Where there is hatred, YOU would sow love;
where there is injury, YOU would pardon;
where there is doubt, YOU would shine faith;
where there is despair, YOU would offer hope;
where there is darkness, YOU would radiate light;
where there is sadness, YOU would foster joy;
YOU would not so much seek to be consoled as to console;
to be understood as to understand;
to be loved as to love.

YOU, as 1 of the 24 most important men in the history of the planet would have inner peace, focus, patience, humility... HOPE.

The GOD I know wouldn't want me to do HER work any other way...

But I guess it all depends on just WHO YOUR GOD IS.

__________________________________________________ _____________

After watching the recent Deagle interview, I just can't stop thinking about this one movie quote by Vizinni the Sicilian from The Princess Bride:

"Ever heard of PLATO, ARISTOTLE, SOCRATES?..."
"yes"
"MORONS!"

(please view this post in the spirit in which it is intended: a humorous look at some redflags of a "lightworkers" messsage).

[Norval]

huh? :naughty:

[clarkkent]

mr PHI as usual points out very good things that the few discerning folks on the forum would see as well.

someone posted this link and its actually one of the better level headed articles ive read on this whole field of thought.
here it is, i highly recommend clickin' it.

http://montalk.net/alien/145/discerning-alien-disinformation-part-1

im not posting much these days but i still check from time to time. i watched the bob dean and now deagle's interview. i concur with all mr PHI said, its too bad bill asked for the other "90%" deagle left out of the grenada forum and instead of more information about black ops/alien/other dimensional info we got a lot of "me me me, prophet, jesus, yeshuwah, me, me," and some spirituality, which is all fine and dandy but i have to say he seems stuck in the same paradigm that has enslaved us (the guns stuff) also he's the first person ive heard who believes an "infinite soul" can be destroyed, that doesnt sound too infinite to me.

i really resonate MORE with people that can divorce themselves from whatever religious pov they grew up with-clearly he hasnt despite the fact that he says how terrible religion is he's dropping bible quotes left and right
and his bloodline lineage.....turns me off bigtime (sidenote-- the video editing...what happened? sound problems bad lighting etc etc-did someone else shoot/edit it? also i know kerry is trying to keep focus for the interview but too often doesnt let an interview complete a thought and confuses the interviewee and jumbles the flow)

anyhow...yeah my 2 cents

[FoxForceFive]

Don't say you were not told by anyone. A few times the dark side actually tried to recruite Bill Deagle and he told them where to go
That 'story' was the one that broke the camel's back for me. Until then, I was somewhat frustrated that Kerry was not getting the answers she was demanding as he would go off on another track.. but I was nevertheless open-minded and attentive.

Then, he goes into this story about how this Rothschild Pindar dude in a $5000 suit woke him up and then vanishes into the ether in a puff of smoke, through a vortex of some kind. I'm like 'okkkkaaaay what a load of...' - it smacked very much of Charles Dickens' A Christmas Carol and being visited by the ghost of Christmas past.

Something didn't ring true there for me, felt more like storytelling.. spinning a yarn..

[Hypnotize]

it seemed to me that he was sorta putting himself on a pedistole and kept talking about how much power he has.

[Scooby]

He states that we are all spirit extensions of the great I am. Or we are all a part of God. Sorry but I never was, I am Not Now, Nor will I ever be the great I Am or Yahweh Or yahvah if you will. I am a Child of the Most high. I am a creation of the Most High but I AM NOT THE MOST HIGH. I can work as an agent for him. I can be filled with him. I can commune with him as well if He wills it. But NO Where in the Scriptures does it say such a thing and it's as good as Blasphemy to say so. Only Jesus and the Holy Spirit are a part of God. His stating so make me throw away all the rest of what he says. Period. The Bible says that we are to be the Bride of Christ so does that mean God will marry his self? I could make several more statements like this but I don't even want to waste my time. Deagle is a Money whore. The end is near!! But my cures for disease and protect yourself with them against pandemics. plllease. He also gets guests like the crazy nut that runs Vatican assassin's. Who , that is a true believer could even entertain someone like that on their show? Sorry but thats just how I feel about him. Please don't hate me, well if you want to I guess you can hate me for it. :wink2:

[Myplanet2]

He states that we are all spirit extensions of the great I am. Or we are all a part of God. Sorry but I never was, I am Not Now, Nor will I ever be the great I Am or Yahweh Or yahvah if you will. I am a Child of the Most high. I am a creation of the Most High but I AM NOT THE MOST HIGH. I can work as an agent for him. I can be filled with him. I can commune with him as well if He wills it. But NO Where in the Scriptures does it say such a thing and it's as good as Blasphemy to say so. Only Jesus and the Holy Spirit are a part of God. His stating so make me throw away all the rest of what he says. Period. The Bible says that we are to be the Bride of Christ so does that mean God will marry his self? I could make several more statements like this but I don't even want to waste my time. Deagle is a Money whore. The end is near!! But my cures for disease and protect yourself with them against pandemics. plllease. He also gets guests like the crazy nut that runs Vatican assassin's. Who , that is a true believer could even entertain someone like that on their show? Sorry but thats just how I feel about him. Please don't hate me, well if you want to I guess you can hate me for it. :wink2:

I can see from your comments and viewpoint how Deagles comments might not have sat well with you.

But this needn't come down to "right" and "wrong". It could be different instead.

When a person views from a point, (has a viewpoint) other points appear as different, or "over there". Many religions, including yours, instill and then strengthen this tendency. This is how it is. That way is the wrong way. They are this, or that. Unbelievers. Misguided. Controlled by dark forces. If you don't agree with our view, then you are wrong and doomed. And ad infinitum.

The challenge is in avoiding the automatic rejection of other viewpoints.

Learning is done by comparing. If you can't look at other viewpoints, then what do you have to compare to?

[Average Joe]

I agree with the OP.

[Richard T]

Are you saying he needs to connect his physical world as well?

Not just his spirit.

Is it his love for the invisible that causes his vision's to be misunderstood?

What I am saying is that prophecy is from the invisible and a prophet speaks the voice of the invisible.

Prophets of the past did not possess their psychic territory, like the average joe. But they had enough internal strength to support the energy. Then there are those other 'prophets' who are partly given information they don't control and who partly extrapolate from what they believe they know. It is not even a question of goodwill, it is a question of trusting the invisible to be 'truthful'.

A real prophet is the direct manifestation of the verb of his own infinity and does not speak in the name of an entity or in the name of a book. That is what tomorrow's prophets will be.

Giving credibility to the invisible, regardless of what we want to call the intelligences that work in those domains, is a bit like trusting your banker 'who only wants your welfare'.

It is not because they say so that it is so. Like it is not because a certain intelligence hiding behind a show of light claims to be the Nazarene that it is the case.

Another example, the problem with anthropomorphism, where people rationalize that 'god' is a being, therefore exposing themselves to being told by any intelligence that they are contacted by 'god', or even more subtly being captivated by a vibration that conveys a sense of godhood.

Visions are not understood because they are examined intellectually.

When we dream at night, the ego is in suspension. The astral forms that are the archetypes and those that are other types of symbols are interacted with solely at the psychic level. They work at the level of the vibration and appear psychically obvious during the dream state. If the ego keeps the memory of his dreams or visions, he will seek to interpret them using the intellectual categories he uses when awake to try and make sense of his life. But the forms are not understandable psychologically, they are understandable psychically. This should help understand the deep differences between the laws of certain invisible spheres and those of the material sphere. But the ego is too much captivated by the form and ditches the vibration, which is the information carried by the form.

The ego always seeks to understand when in reality there is nothing to understand. All is to be known, and knowing is by vibration and never by intellectual evaluation of the form itself. Understanding is giving a value to an error.

[suchanawesomekid]

who is this guy?

dude...

if you don't know who Dr. Deagle is, if you've never heard of him before, then that's your situation to address.

the guy has a radio show called "the nutrimedical report", and is widely regarded as a person with credibility, quite far from someone like billy meier, for example. i assume a lot of people write him off because of his style of speaking out, but i don't care about what those people have to say.

it seems to me you just don't know what you are talking about

anyway... look.... if you don't like the guy, that's fine. i don't agree with everything he says, and that's ok, it's all part of being a civilized human, you should be able to accept people's flaws, ALLOW them to be individuals.

in any event, what's important here is the MESSAGE he brings, not his background.

how on earth is his background important, when his message is so powerful in itself? that's one of the problems with humanity, the inability to prioritize. just listen to your heart. and if your heart keeps telling you it's all bullcrap, then get your heart checked out :) .... that's easy to do tho, but i'm not going to tell you how to do it, you have to do research.

look.. sometimes dr. deagle pisses me off. sometimes i think he's waaaay too paranoid. but then again, sometimes he says stuff that is so true and powerful i just decide to keep listening. he knows a bunch of stuff and it's cool to learn stuff

[Jonah]

The Bible says that we are to be the Bride of Christ so does that mean God will marry his self?

Hello scooby...

Perhaps that means that once we heal the mother in ourselves, christ will then be able to "Marry Us".

[Scooby]

I can see from your comments and viewpoint how Deagles comments might not have sat well with you.

But this needn't come down to "right" and "wrong". It could be different instead.

When a person views from a point, (has a viewpoint) other points appear as different, or "over there". Many religions, including yours, instill and then strengthen this tendency. This is how it is. That way is the wrong way. They are this, or that. Unbelievers. Misguided. Controlled by dark forces. If you don't agree with our view, then you are wrong and doomed. And ad infinitum.

The challenge is in avoiding the automatic rejection of other viewpoints.

Learning is done by comparing. If you can't look at other viewpoints, then what do you have to compare to?

#1 HUH?
#2 I don't belong to any religion
#3 To accept others stances on the bible because they hold some semblance of truth is what common religion is about now days. I read the bible and seek the advice of true scholars that take the literal word and interpret it as a written language not a belief or by way of any predisposed belief system.
I read the bible and use the strongs and Young concordance and go thru it word by word and take entire chapters and disect it as you would interpret english by using the subject, verbage and so on. most translations are flawed at best. I belong to the family of God. In that I mean I belong to a family of believers that seek God earnestly on their face with humility and humbleness before the maker.
This is Not a religion this is a faith. Those that seek God earnestly like this will surely be led to truth and understanding that comes through thorough study and prayer and will recieve revelation in their spirit and will also become truly aware of the everlasting spirit that is within them. AS God said, "You will know them by their deeds", that with a spiritual discernment, that also comes from the above faith and seeking will reveal to the faithful that which is false doctrine. The enemy uses many false doctrine based religions to cause the children of God to be misled and thus become LUKEWARM. I don't intend to be spit out because I practice tolerence to others false doctrine which if let in will eventually corrupt me. sorry if I was redundit here . I never said any of the other things here nor was I talking about another religion in my previous post but was speaking in regards to a Man and what he says.

[Myplanet2]

#1 HUH?
#2 I don't belong to any religion
#3 To accept others stances on the bible because they hold some semblance of truth is what common religion is about now days. I read the bible and seek the advice of true scholars that take the literal word and interpret it as a written language not a belief or by way of any predisposed belief system.
I read the bible and use the strongs and Young concordance and go thru it word by word and take entire chapters and disect it as you would interpret english by using the subject, verbage and so on. most translations are flawed at best. I belong to the family of God. In that I mean I belong to a family of believers that seek God earnestly on their face with humility and humbleness before the maker.
This is Not a religion this is a faith. Those that seek God earnestly like this will surely be led to truth and understanding that comes through thorough study and prayer and will recieve revelation in their spirit and will also become truly aware of the everlasting spirit that is within them. AS God said, "You will know them by their deeds", that with a spiritual discernment, that also comes from the above faith and seeking will reveal to the faithful that which is false doctrine. The enemy uses many false doctrine based religions to cause the children of God to be misled and thus become LUKEWARM. I don't intend to be spit out because I practice tolerence to others false doctrine which if let in will eventually corrupt me. sorry if I was redundit here . I never said any of the other things here nor was I talking about another religion in my previous post but was speaking in regards to a Man and what he says.

well I see. (not really :wink2:

permit me to withdraw my earlier comments. (unless somebody else wants the:tongue2: )

[aiwass322]

Hehe. We are wayyyy of topic people. But it is good that we get do discuss these kind of things, since in time it will give us a common ideological platform from which to work forward. I have given my views on simular topics before but will decline to do so this time....

Anyhow. I don´t know if you saw what Kerry posted: http://www.projectavalon.org/forum/showthread.php?t=6076

Not entirely my opinion I might add but a good addition to the debate on this thread.