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IronWoman
09-08-2008, 09:02 PM
i would just like to know if any of you guys have seen chemtrails in your area.. a man collected the chemicals from a chemtrail and had it tested.. the results showed that there were very high amounts of Barium in it. Barium reacts with oxygen producing a very poisonous substance and when mixed with water. i mean what the hell is going on?!?! any ideas ppl..?

seriously.. what is on their agenda!?!? are they really messing with our heads .. literally? seems so. other ppl state that it's being done for "project bluebeam"--preparing the sky for halographic images?.. ahh.. ?:sneaky2:

love to all u guys!

~IronWoman:thumb_yello:

unlimited mind
09-08-2008, 09:46 PM
here in Western North Carolina, we are being exposed to whatever it is they are spraying very frequently and heavily i might add. they get one layer down, and they spray over top of that.

because of this I began searching for ways to combat this diabolical madness. there are many resources available on the web in regards to orgone energy. i began my research of orgone about two years ago and set out to prove all of the claims about it with my own experimentation.

first i bought a few devices that i found online, and finally purchased a resonator from our beloved St Claire. once i was able to experiment, i soon discovered that all of the claims were indeed true.

i have taken many pictures of the results of the devices i now make and their effects on the atmosphere above the area i live. i can also attest to the claims of the benefits of orgone.

i just had a class at my home on saturday teaching people about this energy and how to make their own devices. it is amazing at how much information you can share just in the teaching of orgone. it includes magnetics, torsion physics, focused intent, programing and utilzing the crystal and mineral vibratory energetics and so much more.

even if people are not awake to the bigger picture, it seems a very viable way to empower and educate in a non-dogmatic way. plus, everyone gets to participate by learning about the energy, planning the energetics of the device they want to create and finally creating it. it all happens really fast, and that, in and of itself, is a teaching.

i created an orgone group within this forum for those who wish to learn and discuss this energy.

http://projectavalon.net/forum/group.php?groupid=3&gmid=2

Mizar
09-09-2008, 05:21 AM
Hi Ironwoman;
Did you notice that the BC Chemtrails vanished in late August, only to re-appear with a vengeance on Sept 3?
Visit Scott Stevens website, Weather wars, and google 'Alice in bariun titanate land"
This morning, ( Sept 8, we had heavy chemtrail coverage over southwest BC, so much that the forecast called for sunny skies that changed to total cloud cover by the afternoon.
Like Scott says, keep looking up!

MMe M
09-09-2008, 07:47 AM
Yes we do and ya know what? Since they are getting so much bad publicity they are no longer spraying in the daytime hours. I have seen them spaying at night! Its nearly impossible to get a picture and post it of a night sprayed gridwork, the ********! They were beginning at dusk and have since moved it back an hour or so. Its unconcionable.

I am in Michigan.

CosmicFever
09-09-2008, 10:05 AM
I live in Charlotte and have noticed that they've not been spraying during the day. Up until a month ago it was not stop.

Kate
09-09-2008, 10:53 AM
I was in France recently, got up 2 mornings in a row at 6.30am...the clear blue sky was totally crissed crossed with chemtrails! clearly they had been doing it under the cover of darkness..GGrrr! makes me soo mad!!! :mad3:

certainly, i notice chemtrails all over the place..wherever i travel i am looking up at the skies..for activity of any desciption!!

I still have trouble convincing people around me that this is happening..its kinda like a big denial...no one wants to believe that their governments would allow this...how deluded is the world?????? :lightsabre:

Average Joe
09-09-2008, 01:33 PM
Quick question.....what are chemtrails and what do they look like?

LiquidPluto
09-09-2008, 02:18 PM
Quick question.....what are chemtrails and what do they look like?
Hi Joe,
I have some pics of chemtrails in my profile if you want to know what they look like.
Peace
LiquidPluto

Average Joe
09-09-2008, 02:46 PM
Thanks. Well I've seen them every day since I've been born.

When any plane flies over.

Not being funny here, but isn't it simply the by product of aeroplane fuel?

THE eXchanger
09-09-2008, 02:57 PM
Thanks. Well I've seen them every day since I've been born.

When any plane flies over.

Not being funny here, but isn't it simply the by product of aeroplane fuel?

that is what quite a few people, would like you to believe

it is clearly NOT the case

aren't there other similiar threads online
pertaining to chemtrails ?

Average Joe
09-09-2008, 03:09 PM
I dunno, I've never really taken any notice of chemtrail threads/articles. I'm more of a UFO man.

No one has lead me to believe anything about chemtrails. I see a plane fly, an obvious conclusion to me would be that it is an exhaust fume if you like. Nobody has taught me that and nobody has tried to con me into thinking that.

If there is something to chemtrails, then I'd like to find out about it.

THE eXchanger
09-09-2008, 03:32 PM
if you are on the internet

go to www.youtube.com

and, search "chemtrails"

i'll bet a lot of interesting things come up

while you are there

you could also search "haarp" and, "inverted rainbows" and, china

and, of interest,
you could search things there like

"haarp" "inverted rainbows" and, "toronto" or whatever,
city you live in

i'll bet that will keep you busy researching,
for a long time

perhaps, we need to find out
where the planes fly out of
and, makes lots of phone calls

perhaps, we need to start reporting these occurances
to our local politicans / and, police stations

perhaps, if the outer circles, of these inner circles
were asked enough questions

they would cease and desist !!!

Stinkhorn
09-09-2008, 03:40 PM
The chemicals that have been tested in the air are there already.

Your chem trail is when a plane hits around 30,000ft, the hot jet air condenses the water and unspent fuel into a frozen crystal, just like a cloud.

You are not being brain washed by chemicals in the sky from the government, i would worry more about the chemicals in the air in your house, now that is toxic, I would worry about the new car smell, that is toxic, your new shoes, furniture and cloths all toxic.

Average Joe
09-09-2008, 03:54 PM
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Qqd_-OZm2mA

Looks interesting.

But how can an "Average Joe" like me tell the difference between a contrail and a chemtrail? I'll be looking out for them now...

Only looked at three videos and theories seem to abound about why they are doing this, including trying to reverse the effects of global warming etc.

MMe M
09-11-2008, 07:15 AM
Contrails usually dissipate within a normal amount of time and the planes are in a traffic pattern. Chemtrails last for 12 hours or more till they disperse and completely obliterate the sky. They are also sprayed in a grid usually. There is plenty of information at http://www.carnicom.com/ and various others. Just take your pick.

To the one with the comment about air in your home;


Chemtrails have been found to contain aluminum, barium, ethylene dibromide, banned as a pesticide due to causing severe respiratory reactions even at low levels) numerous pathogens, disease causing agents. Thousands of fungi, some previously unknown.


These included Pseudomonas Aeruginosa, which not only causes respiratory infection but also attacks the immune system; Serratia Marcescens, an antibiotic-resistant bacteria which causes pneumonia, endocarditis and meningitis; as well as Streptomyces and molds capable of inducing heart disease. The government has used us time and again for inhumane testing.

Want a better source or many more? Try rense dot com. His site is full of horror stories about the governments high priorities regarding her citizens.
http://www.rense.com/general36/history.htm

Zelphael
09-11-2008, 08:21 AM
I don't understand... what is the purpose of chemtrails? To poison the population, or just to dump waste chemicals? Why would they want to poison people?

orwellsbud
09-11-2008, 09:38 AM
I don't understand... what is the purpose of chemtrails? To poison the population, or just to dump waste chemicals? Why would they want to poison people?

If you follow this particular thread here on Avalon you will find all the current theories regarding chemtrails herehttp://http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=747 (http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=747)

Also I have an Album on my profile page about chemtrails.
You may also Like to check out these Vid's.
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=smKLV25xM-g

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=qCL6zdq0_t4&feature=PlayList&p=A8A03AB63A3907F9&index=40


http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=1TFrCPzwF4I&feature=PlayList&p=A8A03AB63A3907F9&index=42

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=DtB0IzTi3Dw&feature=PlayList&p=A8A03AB63A3907F9&index=43


Peace & Blessings
OB:smoke:

Zelphael
09-11-2008, 10:31 PM
What can we do to protect ourselves? Can you cover your mouth with some sort of filtered mouth/nose mask? Is that entirely ridiculous?

stal
09-12-2008, 08:40 AM
its been all quiet here for several weeks except for one medium day, and one extra heavy day, after which it rained. not so much here, but to the north it p#ssed down.

Mark
09-21-2008, 01:55 PM
I posted about chemtrails the other day but can't fin the page - numpty me.

Today, the sky was blue without a cloud. Two large planes were flying very high in the heavens. There were chemtrails coming from each plane, but not from the engines, but from the tail planes - it looked as if the chemtrails had nothing to do with the engines but were persposely spraying my little county. Not impressed!

Ethel
09-21-2008, 07:33 PM
I remembered seeing this video and saving it for later watching, check it out. It will give you an up-close look at the chemtrails or whatever they may be.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6432590138024652983&q=source:017372839393159079732&hl=en

UlfFreya
09-24-2008, 12:04 PM
Here are some interesting sites about chemtrails. Where I am we are sprayed almost daily.

What I find interesting is the possible link to Morgellons and the fact that they have found in chemtrail residue, along with aluminum, barium etc. various pathogens and dessicated human red blood cells!

Barium Blues (http://www.bariumblues.com/)

Chemtrail Alert System (http://www.owsweather.com/contrailreport.html)

Clifford Carnicom (http://www.carnicom.com/contrails.htm)

Documentary - Aerosol Crimes (99 minutes) (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2815320198655156407)

The Wine-Peroxide Test (Haven't tried this one myself and don't particularly wish to - ick!) (http://www.carnicom.com/morgobs7.htm)

Local News Station Confirms Baruium in Chemtrails (http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=f27_1199846714)

Lots and Lots of Chemtrails Articles from Educate-Yourself.org (http://educate-yourself.org/ct/)

Here's a picture I took a couple years ago - this is very typical for my area.

Here's something even weirder. I've taken a couple of videos of chemtrails that have had these weird orbs showing up around them and moving around. I found this site (http://www.chemtrailcentral.com/orbs.shtml) that describes something similar. I have no idea what's up with this.

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e337/alisaun42/2006-041227aHwy680WalnutCreek.jpg

UlfFreya
09-24-2008, 12:13 PM
... And this would be NASA's take (propoganda*cough*propoganda)

"Contrail Education"

http://asd-www.larc.nasa.gov/GLOBE/

Or as my friend said to me, it should be more accurately titled "We Can't Believe We're Saying This With a Straight Face, Either".

Contrail Count-A-Thons?! Egads.

Gonzo
09-24-2008, 12:56 PM
The chemicals that have been tested in the air are there already.

Your chem trail is when a plane hits around 30,000ft, the hot jet air condenses the water and unspent fuel into a frozen crystal, just like a cloud.

You are not being brain washed by chemicals in the sky from the government, i would worry more about the chemicals in the air in your house, now that is toxic, I would worry about the new car smell, that is toxic, your new shoes, furniture and cloths all toxic.

I've seen planes going under a cloud emitting a long trail which lasted for nearly an hour. explain that please... Also I've seen planes which are very high emitting a small condensation trail and planes going much lower leaving long grids not even following normal flight routes.

Sarahmay
09-24-2008, 01:37 PM
The chemicals that have been tested in the air are there already.

Your chem trail is when a plane hits around 30,000ft, the hot jet air condenses the water and unspent fuel into a frozen crystal, just like a cloud.

You are not being brain washed by chemicals in the sky from the government, i would worry more about the chemicals in the air in your house, now that is toxic, I would worry about the new car smell, that is toxic, your new shoes, furniture and cloths all toxic.

Not so! The chemtrails in my area are not being sprayed at 30,000 feet. And I live in an area with NO commercial air traffic, so why are jets flying back and forth across the sky for hours?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7VmAQqi3OJc

Stephen
09-24-2008, 01:51 PM
Thanks for that Sarahmay....

Damn good video...
err..Well, not 'good' but, you know what I mean...hehe! :smoke:

tobiwan
09-24-2008, 02:33 PM
Here is an article on rense

What Chemtrails Really Are (http://www.rense.com/general79/chem.htm)

which is claimed to be true by whom i cant remember,
was it Henry Deacon, George Green...?
But it was a highly credible witness.

These kind of trails are clearly no contrails (the normal ones) which are the result of a condensation process at high altitude.

Red Pill Reaction
09-24-2008, 04:03 PM
Sarasota, Florida: Lots of chemtrails here, laid down on regular basis-- I would guess averaging perhaps 4 or 5 days a week. You can also often see the signature "fishscale" cloud pattern that many people believe is the result of HAARP transmissions. You should have seen them spraying and HAARPing it up on the Fouth of July. Perhaps their way of rubbing it in our faces.

I have made many telephoto videos and taken many pics of the jets laying down the trails, but cannot get a clear enough image to see any markings on the aircraft. I'd love to have a fast jet to overtake one of these chemtrail aircraft, sample their contrail exhaust for chemical analysis, and follow it to see where it lands.

Even with that kind of smoking-gun evidence, I'm sure the denials would continue as they have since the late '90's. The official explanation from the Air Force and EPA seems to be: "it's an internet hoax". Yeah, right.

micjer
09-24-2008, 04:10 PM
Yes we do and ya know what? Since they are getting so much bad publicity they are no longer spraying in the daytime hours. I have seen them spaying at night! Its nearly impossible to get a picture and post it of a night sprayed gridwork, the ********! They were beginning at dusk and have since moved it back an hour or so. Its unconcionable.

I am in Michigan.

I can verify this because I live in Ontario (down wind from Michigan) and the trails are visible here in the morning!

uboslav
09-24-2008, 07:29 PM
Chemtrails are a bit of a grim reality. I had noticed many many days where there was not a cloud insight. It was going to be a beautiful day, but ended up being a weird haze from these jets.

My girlfriend loves her suntanning but one day she spent all day in a humid chemtrail mist and was plagued with a terrible rash. The only other thing that has gave her rashes like that is the cancerous sunblocks. Bannana Boat, Coppertone and Neutrogena.
She had been using natural suntan lotion and hadn't had a problem till there was a heavy barium mist from these planes.

This is one of the things that turned me onto orgonite. If they spray, I usually bring some large orgonite cones with us and you can literally watch the mist dissipate.
This has been going on for years and years. Ladies and Gentlemen, the government is not on our side. If you have troubles believing this then you should watch "esoteric agenda" on google video to show you some of the other stuff they are pulling off behind our backs. Here it is.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6030443037963555139&ei=hpTaSP6HIJn-qAPMve2RCw&q=esoteric+adgenda&hl=en

Big A
09-24-2008, 09:58 PM
i was at the nascar race last sunday in dover, del. all day long there were new chem trails right above the track, i must have seen atleast 15 to 20 being droped right above us, and the weird thing was there were other planes flying within site but the only ones that were dropping chem trails were the planes flying right over the track. i was able to take several pics of these planes right on my cell phone.

crowmirror
09-24-2008, 11:24 PM
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misfit
09-27-2008, 11:09 AM
Australia is also affected especially Sydney..
They really sprayed hard in Adelaide when I was there last year...

Adam-Selene
09-29-2008, 01:02 PM
In south essex, uk last night, sept 28th.

The entire sky, north, south, east, west, was completely covered. Total saturation, not a clear speck of evening o-zone.

stal
09-29-2008, 02:07 PM
they spray plenty in australia, have been for many years. and there has been night spraying down here for at least 18 months.

ADAM KADMON
09-29-2008, 06:06 PM
They've also started FLU Vaccines this week.

DO NOT get them.

Expect a huge outbreak of "Avian Flu" this October. Expect a FF terrorist strike.

Drink lots of Colloidal Silver, take your Probiotics, Garlic, Vit. C and do things that will keep your immune system UP. This means, less stress, more R&R.

Good luck, stay healthy,
Adam K.

Jeffrey
09-29-2008, 09:12 PM
We are in the South of London, England, and we have been seeing more and more of these Chemtrails over the last few weeks.

Check here for daily alerts:

http://www.owsweather.com/contrailreport.html

Jacqui D
09-29-2008, 09:26 PM
We get chemtrails here all the time, then something strange happened the other day the sky was clear, no clouds were visible one lone aircraft was high up in the sky but no trail!
I was actually taken back PLANE no trail at all what's going on?

Sometimes these chemtrails are so many they gradually spread out hours after the plane has gone and become one big mass.
I have noticed this summer that the population of small birds are down, there are many theories but i wonder if this pollution in our atmosphere is poisoning our wildlife as well us us!:sad:

Reunite
09-29-2008, 11:43 PM
Misfit is bang on about Sydney. I see them at least every second day. You start to notice more and more because you tend to look up at the sky alot more regularly since becoming aware of them.

Waterhawk
10-10-2008, 03:37 AM
i mean what the hell is going on?!?! any ideas ppl..? :

You need to first protect yourself from all chem trails, but the cell towers are even worse. Everything has a frequency, even diseases and abnormal human behavior. Now imagine just one cell phone tower pumping out thousands to hundreds of daily lower frequencies that are the same as various diseases and abnormal human behavior. Plus, an average sized cell tower reaches up to 5-15 mile radius in pushing iall of it's frequencies into everyone & everything in that same area.

Solutions? 1) If you know a good orgone engineer who never constructs any orgone devices for his or her greed sake, ask them questions concerning how why some orgone devices help to reduce and better protect people from chem trails much all ofany cell phone technology

2) *If you can change your reality just by thinking it (such as RI or Remote Influencing) then you can possibly also protect yourself. ou could even stop some or all of these tax payer funded projects.


Sorry that's all that I know. I have been constructing orgone devices for awhile now and I also use RI to defend me my family. If you like here is a link to some research video's that I made concening orgone and more. Just look for the video's that say "orgone" in their title. My goal is to show people different perspective concerning what we call "physical reality".

http://www.metacafe.com/channels/Water+Hawk/

MAP
10-21-2008, 06:07 AM
PURPOSE OF CHEMTRAILS - AC GRIFFITH
5/18/2007
http://share.ovi.com/media/Dziner4u0.public/Dziner4u0.10001

Bonnie
10-21-2008, 07:32 AM
Yes we do and ya know what? Since they are getting so much bad publicity they are no longer spraying in the daytime hours. I have seen them spaying at night! Its nearly impossible to get a picture and post it of a night sprayed gridwork, the ********! They were beginning at dusk and have since moved it back an hour or so. Its unconcionable.

I am in Michigan.

I live about 7 miles outside of Chicago in Illinois. I used to notice these chemtrails around midafternoon during the summer. Recently however, I started noticing them really early in the morning like 1 or 3 a.m. From what I saw, these chemtrails are a little harder to spot in the early morning dark skies. The two planes flying parallel to each other at a distance was what caught my eye first. So, you are probably right MMe M when you say that getting a picture of these trails in the dark skies is difficult.

IronWoman
10-24-2008, 05:22 AM
whoa.. i have just come across this prophecy-- 'when the end times are near, the Earth will be criss-crossed with spider-webs'..!!! (chemtrails?)


:tears:

_N_
10-24-2008, 07:20 AM
I travel around the world a lot and haven't seen these. I'm currently in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia and they aren't spraying anything here. At first I didn't believe it and was thinking that it's just vapour trail, which occurs quite often on airplanes, but now that I've seen some more pics, I'm starting to believe.

Why doesn't someone follow these planes to the airport where they land and take some photos of them with a high zoom lens as they are taking off or landing, that way you can capture the plane in more detail?

Frank Samuel
10-24-2008, 09:56 AM
Several studies done have indicated that these substances will create a more effective resonance. Some post have try to insult our intelligence suggesting that the RPTB are all the suuden concerned about the health and welfare of the Globe and that the spraying done by these airplanes are to reverse the effects of Global warming. NO WAY JOSE !!! When even our administration
denies that Global warming is a problem, how can we expect them to do anything about it. How many people have children that suffer from lung related diseases or severe allergies. The rate of children in PR suffering from asthma is alarming 3 out of every 5 . You tell me is this is helping to reverse the effect or not. The study of resonance makes it very clear why they need to spray, it makes programs like HAARP more effective as a weapon.

borrasca2012
10-24-2008, 10:30 AM
...... hope all are NON-SMOKERS.....who are afraid of c-trails:naughty:

bodzoyfa
10-24-2008, 08:40 PM
I live in NC and this week I have seen more chemtrails in a single day that I ever have before. It was totally unreal. I wish I had my camera to show you guys. Something is happening, I just dont know what.

oldpaganfreak
10-24-2008, 09:34 PM
there has been no sign of them over northern alberta. i'm hopeful that areas of very low population density are off 'radar'.

henners
11-18-2008, 10:49 AM
This is probably an old thread but i just came back from the centre of NSW on a tour and photographed these images . I did not think this was going on here in Australia. I noticed they were visible for hours. Just thought i would share.:sad:

Ant0ni081
11-22-2008, 05:40 PM
We get this ALL the time here in Bedfordshire, England.
Just took these photos over a 30min period. Its a cold crisp evening out there and the winds been pretty strong here to, which goes to show they Must contain heavy particles that are just hanging up there.

Heres a few shots .. . .

http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/6615/chemtrail1ur8.jpg (http://img230.imageshack.us/my.php?image=chemtrail1ur8.jpg)
http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/chemtrail1ur8.jpg/1/w640.png (http://g.imageshack.us/img230/chemtrail1ur8.jpg/1/)

Same shot invered for contrast....
http://img374.imageshack.us/img374/7619/invertedchemtrail1jh7.jpg (http://img374.imageshack.us/my.php?image=invertedchemtrail1jh7.jpg)
http://img374.imageshack.us/img374/invertedchemtrail1jh7.jpg/1/w640.png (http://g.imageshack.us/img374/invertedchemtrail1jh7.jpg/1/)
http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/5026/cheamtrail3ug4.jpg (http://img300.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cheamtrail3ug4.jpg)
http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/cheamtrail3ug4.jpg/1/w640.png (http://g.imageshack.us/img300/cheamtrail3ug4.jpg/1/)

Takecare all

betweenyouandme
11-22-2008, 06:06 PM
... And this would be NASA's take (propoganda*cough*propoganda)

"Contrail Education"

http://asd-www.larc.nasa.gov/GLOBE/

Or as my friend said to me, it should be more accurately titled "We Can't Believe We're Saying This With a Straight Face, Either".

Contrail Count-A-Thons?! Egads.

You know... I used to see this sort of thing ALL THE TIME... Every single day in fact... I never, ever, once stopped to think. "That might not be a natural forming cloud". Hello... wake up call. Thanks for the info guys and gals.

Gov. is scary... I'm glad I'm down here. "Just me and these dead sheep".
lol... Very interesting anyway... Whats with those disks or balloons or whatever they are. Has the gov. tried to explain those at all?

Sol Invictus
11-22-2008, 06:33 PM
First they sprayed metallic particles in the air to cover the launch and landing of stealth aircraft over continental USA and UK in the 1980s up till 1992 or 3, then they tried an idea of spraying 'fuel' into the sky from modified aircraft to be used by hypersonic craft - instead of carrying the fuel, they scooped it out of the sky, the high speeds and pressures compressed it into a useable solution .... then they decided that the air was a good way to deliver this biowar agent against us.

Then there is the electromagnetic guidance /steering use for HAARP and other scalar weapons...

In short, we the people are getting the 'bend over, grab your ankles and cough' treatment.

Paramartasaya
11-22-2008, 07:26 PM
:shocked:You have to see this videos, a disease coming from chemtrails, and nano robots:

http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=E8NgoPb3b-g

http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=sPZwmisyhpk&feature=related

http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=SGUoFBbl7jo&feature=related


http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=SqxyaWctAEE

Angel in Disguise
11-22-2008, 07:30 PM
Here is the best video I've found so far regarding chemtrails... There is a lot of information in this film. When watching from Youtube it comes in 7 chapters but with sub chapters being 1a 1b 2a 2b 2c etc so make sure to watch them all. Excellent documentary!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HxNeoXkL0mM&feature=related

orwellsbud
11-22-2008, 07:33 PM
I took these pic's earlier today, there was some seriously heavy spraying going on virtually non stop from about 8.30 am onwards.

http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=7989http://


P&B
OB:smoke: