Which US presidential candidate do you think is most fit?

[yotta]

All:

I hope that everyone is well. I'm curious of the political spread here at Avalon and Camelot. My personal hope is that there is a fairly equal spread among us as far as political stance, as it would be a pretty powerful thing to see all "parties" here. I've always been curious of whether alternative thinkers like us exist across the board in terms of political affiliation. Of course, there is no right or wrong answer. Answer if you wish. :original: I realize this is directed primarily to US members here, but feel free to chime in wherever you are!

Best wishes,

Y.

[Orion11]

hi yotta,

I elect you, yotta! you already sound years wiser than anyone we get handed.

so, I am electing you. :)

Hope you are well, to. :wub2:

[ctophil]

I'm voting for Yahushua--the Son of Yahweh. Voting for a man, woman, reptilian, or whatever you are can lead to death and destruction in this world. Yahushua is coming shortly to bring the Kingdom of Heaven, and he will take over the United States or whatever it's called in 3 - 4 years. Oh, take over the world too. :) I don't really need to vote for him though. Because he will rule the Earth regardless of my input.

-Phillip

[AndyH]

If I was American and if Cynthia McKinney was a choice I'd vote for her seeing as Ron Paul and Dennis Kucinich are no longer in it. TBH from what I've seen, they seem to be the only 3 real human beings left in govt.

[yotta]

If I was American and if Cynthia McKinney was a choice I'd vote for her seeing as Ron Paul and Dennis Kucinich are no longer in it. TBH from what I've seen, they seem to be the only 3 real human beings left in govt.


I actually thought of adding Ron Paul as he is rumored to be on the Louisiana ballot. Of all of them, he would be my choice because he has the guts to stand up to the PTB and he has the plan that makes the most sense.

[Orion11]

I'm voting for Yahushua--the Son of Yahweh. Voting for a man, woman, reptilian, or whatever you are can lead to death and destruction in this world. Yahushua is coming shortly to bring the Kingdom of Heaven, and he will take over the United States or whatever it's called in 3 - 4 years. Oh, take over the world too. :) I don't really need to vote for him though. Because he will rule the Earth regardless of my input.

-Phillip


and this is what ruins a good forum for real topics.

Sorry but its true. :sleep_1:

[gordon]

I was one of those Australian's who DID vote for Australia becoming a republic, so I quess I choose John McCain. John McCain (and the republics) should be the next president of the United States of America. God Bless John McCain and the United States of America.

[mntruthseeker]

Cynthia McKinney gets my vote seeing as Dennis and Ron are not on the balot.

OMG we needed her running alot longer. You know Obama only brings his little followers to all the conerts and the all the people that buy his hype

[gordon]

I am shocked!!! :mfr_omg::mfr_omg::mfr_omg: The American people have forgotten about a hot babe who should be for President! Jeri Ryan, wow! (And I still remember those scenes from StarTrek when she, (7 of 9) was naked!!!

[Luigis Mushroom]

I think our elective system is a joke, but those who don't vote are no better off than those who can't vote. WHile I'd like to vote for somebody like Bob Barr or Ron Paul if he ws still in it, I don't think Barack Obama is a bad choice for the leader of the U.S. I think Sarah Palin is absolutely crazy, but part of me also thinks that she's not part of the system and that she's more of an ideologue trying to stroke her ego. Barack Obama spent his whole life being groomed to be a leader, and he was influenced by some very radical thinkers. There's no doubt he was approved by the system to be our next leader, which begs one to wonder if this change is just going to be authoritarian interjection under the guise of helping the people. However, part of me thinks he just wants to serve the country.

Here's the best Barack Obama video ever
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qq8Uc5BFogE

[JoshG_528hz]

come on now. it still baffles me that people actually believe mainstream candidates (republicans/democrats) are any different from one another, let alone "fit" for the job. they are told what to say. they are told how to act. I bet they even think the power given to them is their own. it's a sad situation. i have never and will never vote for a 'republicrat'. if i were to vote, which i am not doing because i don't believe my vote counts, i would write in Ron Paul (he's not a republicrat).

I vote for freedom.
I vote for happiness.
I vote for peace.
I vote for love.

[sfth13]

If I was American and if Cynthia McKinney was a choice I'd vote for her seeing as Ron Paul and Dennis Kucinich are no longer in it. TBH from what I've seen, they seem to be the only 3 real human beings left in govt.

Cynthia McKinney is on the ballot with Rosa Clemente for the Green Party. There is actually 13 choices for President on the ballot. Not to mention the write-in

[yotta]

come on now. it still baffles me that people actually believe mainstream candidates (republicans/democrats) are any different from one another, let alone "fit" for the job. they are told what to say. they are told how to act. I bet they even think the power given to them is their own. it's a sad situation. i have never and will never vote for a 'republicrat'. if i were to vote, which i am not doing because i don't believe my vote counts, i would write in Ron Paul (he's not a republicrat).

I vote for freedom.
I vote for happiness.
I vote for peace.
I vote for love.

While I also think mainstream politics is severely flawed, it is still reality that one of these two candidates will take the throne. Whether we like it or not, all of us will be subject to the winning administration. Many people I know say that they are voting for what they believe is the lesser of two "evils". I appreciate that point of view.

[sebring1963]

looks like Sarahs' choice is made up

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/world-news/us-election/donkey-wrong-sarah-palin-wears-vote-democrat-scarf-at-republican-rally-14011708.html

[sfth13]

While I also think mainstream politics is severely flawed, it is still reality that one of these two candidates will take the throne. Whether we like it or not, all of us will be subject to the winning administration.

Don't forget the House and the Senate along with the administration.

[GregorArturo]

I asked that today on the phone to another Project Avalon member, and we both said we weren't voting. And look at the poll, hell ya! If you're gonna vote, Ron Paul is your best choice. However, I think it's a more powerful statement, especially among your peers, even more if your respected as an intellect (in all honesty, we're all intellects :p but if you're a college professor, thats a BIG statement), that you're not voting.

[GoingToFast]

yahushua--the son of yahweh.

Gesuntheit.

[THE BEST GUY]

my vote

http://www.demotivateus.com/posters/juggernaut-rape-demotivational-poster.jpg

[Orion11]

I was one of those Australian's who DID vote for Australia becoming a republic, so I quess I choose John McCain. John McCain (and the republics) should be the next president of the United States of America. God Bless John McCain and the United States of America.


:lmfao:

unreal

[Dantheman62]

Gesuntheit.
HaHa, you're funny!, made me laugh!

[Tuza]

Into what!

[Reunite]

Where is the option to vote for Council on Foreign Relations, buildabergers or Trilateral Commission?

:nono:

[Tuza]

Oh you mean for anti-psychotic meds. Arcora has a link for that.:original:

[yotta]

Thanks to those who have participated in the poll so far! So far, we have evidence that we are *all* here. I will say that I think its important for all of us to respect differing political views. At the end of the day, we are here on this forum - which means that even though we may agree or disagree on the political front, we all have similar interests in the "big picture".

All the best,

Y.

[peaceandlove]

:boat: I vote for Freedom, Peace and Prosperity TOO!

But really, if you feel like making a statement and are interested in voting for one of the Third Party Candidates, then check out this post at Project Camelot:

Off-Topic: Is a Third Party Vote a Wasted Vote? (text by Chuck Baldwin)
Comments welcome there on any of the Third Party Candidates.
http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=5658


In case anyone is interested, RON PAUL is endorsing CHUCK BALDWIN of the Constitution Party. http://constitutionparty.com and http://baldwin08.com


http://campaignforliberty.com


BLESS 'EM ALL, especially Ron Paul

[Orion11]

Oh you mean for anti-psychotic meds. Arcora has a link for that.

lol :)

[freekatz]

If I could vote in this country I would write in Dennis Kucinich - no other choice as far as I'm concerned. The only one I know who actually walks the talk and practices what he preaches, fabulous voting record.

Dennis 2012!!!:thumb_yello:

[14all]

Either Mckinney or Nader (if this even matters), not sure yet....

[man_is_the_bastard]

:boat: I vote for Freedom, Peace and Prosperity TOO!

But really, if you feel like making a statement and are interested in voting for one of the Third Party Candidates, then check out this post at Project Camelot:

Off-Topic: Is a Third Party Vote a Wasted Vote? (text by Chuck Baldwin)
Comments welcome there on any of the Third Party Candidates.
http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=5658


In case anyone is interested, RON PAUL is endorsing CHUCK BALDWIN of the Constitution Party. http://constitutionparty.com and http://baldwin08.com


http://campaignforliberty.com


BLESS 'EM ALL, especially Ron Paul
yeah, it's a shame the only honest candidate running for this year's election was silenced by big business corporation and news networks. yeah, even if he was the epitome for capitalism, he was our only closest candidate that endorsed true freedom. the others just completely disregard the constitution.
i mean, i would think our Founding Fathers would have been on our side don't you think?

[371]

Sarah Palin is a Fundamentalist:yikes:..... nuff said.

[MAP]

looks like Sarahs' choice is made up

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/world-news/us-election/donkey-wrong-sarah-palin-wears-vote-democrat-scarf-at-republican-rally-14011708.html

:lmao::naughty::lmao::naughty::lol3::roftl:

PS im not voting..

[logic]

You should vote and you want to know why, simple!
Just in case
What if Illuminati is a hoax and Obama is just a regular selfish politican as Mc cain but less corrupt.

[GregorArturo]

You should vote and you want to know why, simple!
Just in case
What if Illuminati is a hoax and Obama is just a regular selfish politican as Mc cain but less corrupt.

Obama and McCain both voted on the bailout. Now, if you do some research you can understand how the bailout in it's essence DESTROYS the U.S. financial system. Since the U.S. started pumping in money to the financial markets, which I estimate at the moment is $1.2 trillion, most of it comes off of the printing press. Very little is actual loans from else where, as no one has the money! China is one of the few countries with serious surplus, but they've already loaned so much money to the U.S.

Let's just say they only printed off the printing press the $700 billion. Our money supply is roughly $7 trillion, that means a 10% inflation increase, also on top of our current inflation. That means your dollar eventually will be worth 90 cents when the 'real inflation' catches up.

Inflation will reach a point where countries like China and Saudi Arabia call in their treasury notes so they don't lose money from their investments (Inflation out runs the interest). And then a hyperinflation depression.

THE CANDIDATES KNOW THIS. THE PEOPLE IN CHARGE ARE NOT IDIOTS. THE PRESIDENT IS NOT AN IDIOT. ECONOMICS IS NOT QUANTUM PHYSICS (in terms of complexity).

[historycircus]

Niether.

Obama, much like Jimmy Carter, is going to ride a wave of popular sentiment to office - not so much an enthusiasm for what he brings to the table, so much as a rejection of the last eight years. Voters are going to the polls with pitch forks this year, much like in 2006. We will end up with a one term Senator who's only real connections are in Hollywood and Illinois. He may suffer the same fate as Jimmy Carter - although Obama will have both houses of Congress under his belt on day one, and for at least two years.

Nadar, probably a good guy and supreme corporate watchdog, doesn't have a chance - heck, he's not even on the ballot in all fifty states. Plus, have you seen him lately? He makes John McCain look like a youthful lion.

While nobody is really going to the polls with an axe to grind with McCain, he's gonna' get stabbed by the pitchforks mentioned above. His star rose eight years ago, and Bush crushed it. But when you are running against mobsters like Guilianni and cultists like Romney, you will get the nomination.

Jim Webb, current governor of Virginia, should be at the helm of our nation right now. Read a book called "The Nightinggale's Song." Given his history with the Navy, given what we know about the Office of Naval Intelligence, given the wise words Webb speaks every time he gets in front of a microphone, I would speculate that he is a guy that knows a lot of stuff about what we discuss here, and genuinely cares for the human condition.

[alternative-answer]

The looming US elections will not be an opportunity for change, both Obama and McCain are place men, they are chosen to keep the agenda going. Presidents are not elected, they are chosen, not by the people by the unseen power that controls the whole political landscape all over the world. It is the same here, golden boy Blair and now golden boy Cameron being pushed forward as the only viable leader after the destruction of Gordon Brown. Character assination is the biggest weapon to be able to effect change. If you want someone removed who present obstacles to the global agenda smear their character, dig some dirt, dirt they were probably lulled into previously which is now being used against them. They are all pawns in the game, mere commodities to be used and then discarded when they no longer serve a need.... Keeping it real!!!

[Tara]

Does anyone think things would be different today if Bush was not selected??
Check out the cost of the Iraq war. People want to bitch about socialism, but this is ok?

http://zfacts.com/p/447.html

Not to mention the lives that would have been spared.

http://www.icasualties.org/oif/IraqiDeaths.aspx

How about George Bush signing statements giving him the power to disregard the constitution, and the law in general? And your worried about your gun rights? (By the way, I support gun rights)

http://www.abanet.org/media/releases/news072406.html
http://www.coherentbabble.com/signingstatements/TOCindex.htm

There is a difference between the two parties. It may be slight, but it's enough for me. If we all want change and we want to toss both parties out, then we sure need to work a hell of a lot harder towards that goal, and long before the election. How about the American Peoples party? I know that both parties are corporately owned with an agenda. I get it. There is however, a lesser of these two evils. George Bush did come in to office as a previous oil executive along with Rice and Cheney. Cheney has made millions on this war. Haliburton stock has soared over the last 8 yrs. (well maybe not today with current economic situation ). I think Clinton was the best republican president ever, which made me vote for crazy Ross Perot. If you think voting 3rd party, not at all, or for McCain is going to help our current situation, thanks in advance for what I think will be great potential for WW3, and the downfall of this country.

On the issue of Barack, a constitutional professor, community organizer- not an oil executive- just paid off college degrees in recent years. I don't think he is what the PTB have in mind at all. The money he has raised has consisted of average 80.00 donations from American Citizens, plus obviously some corporate donors, but a majority are from people like us (no offense intended).

Check out his shoes!!

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/blogs/astral66/2008/10/should-the-dnc-buy-obama-a-new.php

He is not a muslim for those of you still pushing that.

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/sliming_obama.html

I am very active calling congress on issues. I've seen it work and I've been ignored. The more people involved- the better response we will get.

I say vote for Obama and stay on his a**.

[lennonmccartney]

ugh neither
its not like the people elect presidents in the u.s

[joe2288]

im voting for pedro haha :mfr_lol:

[zorgon]

Cynthia McKinney is on the ballot with Rosa Clemente for the Green Party.

Kewl She gets my vote :welcomeani:

Now then who else can I coerce... errrr convince... :smoke:

[AndyH]

I'm hoping that the 13 for obama and 6 for mccain are just having a laugh...or maybe forgot to put their glasses on? lol

[costrovs]

WHY????

Why does it really matter who you vote for?
Don't you guys realize its a giant scam?
HELLO!!! Anyone remember the 2000 election?
So, do you really think your vote counts?
In a sense.... it does, but if TPTB want a certain person for president, he will get voted in.
I remember reading about the voting machines fraud. Does anyone remember that? No one will say it anymore because its election time.

So, go ahead and vote for whomever, but I'm pretty positive that TPTB already have who they want too win.

So to answer the original question.
I believe McCain will be the best fit for TPTB.
And I believe Ron Paul will be the best fit for the American people!

[Reunite]

Does anyone think things would be different today if Bush was not selected??



Unfortunately the agenda has been written and orcastrated for some time so no difference there. As you stated Bush was selected not elected. The next president has been selected already. Whoever is highest in the bloodline will be in place.

We can however beat them at their game. We too can manipulate their energy. First have gratifaction for what we possess today. Then if all of us visualise an amazing harmanous world everyday that is in existence right NOW backed by strong emotions from the heart we can watch it manifest in front of us. The knowledge of us as co-creators having the ability to create our own reality has been suppressed for too long now.

All of us are scriptwriters in the so called game.

[Tara]

WHY????

Why does it really matter who you vote for?
Don't you guys realize its a giant scam?
HELLO!!! Anyone remember the 2000 election?
So, do you really think your vote counts?
In a sense.... it does, but if TPTB want a certain person for president, he will get voted in.
I remember reading about the voting machines fraud. Does anyone remember that? No one will say it anymore because its election time.

So, go ahead and vote for whomever, but I'm pretty positive that TPTB already have who they want too win.

So to answer the original question.
I believe McCain will be the best fit for TPTB.
And I believe Ron Paul will be the best fit for the American people!

If we get out there and vote for Obama, and there is a wide enough spread, they can't steal it. Try to be open to the idea that Obama may not be playing this so called game with PTB. It is totally beyond me how anyone can just let this go, supporting McCain. You will play right into their hands. The PTB keep the power. Obama is being lambasted by the media right wing elite. Most of it is complete propaganda. He beat the Clintons who are a part of the PTB. He'll be lucky to make it thru to this election alive. Were the Kennedys and MLK killed by the powers that be? The Kennedys came out for Obama, not the Clintons. People really need to stand up for this guy. He may be our only shot at turning things around, and it's a long shot at that. I have been watching somewhat of a war in corporate media between GE owned MSNBC and Fox. I had a thought that maybe GE figured out it really needs consumers to buy it's stuff. Maybe GE is not interested in population reduction and a return to a Nazi Germany mentality. I think this is crunch time for the American people. I will not be enslaved (and no I am not already).