What is it about prime numbers; Coral Castle, Masons...

[Tango]

Prime numbers, they've bothered me all my life.... Prime
sums... where do they lead us... Quadruplets...

Why does 144 mean something to all of us....

The secrets of the Universe ? Be prepared

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8908165456205611761&ei=kFEKSfPOPJLAqAKwqJ2iCg&q=secret+of+the+universe

More answers....

trooly,

Tango
[CALL SIGN]

Dancing in the Sky

[GregorArturo]

I'm so gonna watch this in just a second but want to share something with you that I discovered recently.

144 as many of us know is the square of 12.
Neodymium has 60 protons (atomic number 60), which is the first number under 100 that has 12 factors, and 12 factors is also the largest factor size in this range found 5 times with 60, 72, 84, 90, and 96.
Neodymium is the main element in the strongest natural magnet on the planet.
Neodymium natural atomic weight is 144.

And of course, we all understand the significance of 12. Especially 12 around 1 aka 13.

[Merlyn]

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144 is the 13th term of the Fibonacci sequence number:

0, 1, 1, 2, 3, 5, 8, 13, 21, 34, 55, 89, 144, ...

Prime and Fibonacci numbers: 1, 2, 3, 5, 13, 89, ...


http://www.geocities.com/anti_gravity/Coral_Castle/Castle_Magnets.jpg
Image from Coral Castle
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[GregorArturo]

YES YES AND MORE YES! PLEASE EVERYONE WATCH THIS. THIS IS THE MOST IMPORTANT VIDEO YOU COULD EVER WATCH IN YOUR LIFE! IT IS THE ESSENCE OF ALL THAT IS, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO EVEN EXPRESS IT WITHOUT CAPS ON!!!! I HAVE BEEN SPENDING THE PAST COUPLE MONTHS WORKING ON PRIME NUMBERS AND FIBONACCI NUMBERS TRYING TO DISCOVER THIS HIDDEN PATTERN. I RECOGNIZED THEM AS THE MOST UNIQUE AND SPECIAL THING IN MATHEMATICS. TODAY, I REALIZED FOR THE FIRST TIME WHAT THE GREAETEST SYNCHRONICITY IN MY LIFE WAS AND NINE HOURS LATER THIS FALLS INTO MY LAPS AND COMPLETED MY WORK IN JUST UNDER AN HOUR.

Tonight, I sleep happy.

[GregorArturo]

I don't know what to say people I am in absolute disbelief. Tango who are (as I see this is your only post). Do you know personally who made this vid? I absolutely agree without a doubt this is one of the greatest secrets to the universe. It unlocks the necessary gaps in torsion field generators. It utilizes the natural wave function within mathematics, the pattern of all that is, to completely shield an object from magnetic, electric, and GRAVITATIONAL fields. The question I am asking to do this does it invert the spacetime continuum in the process [into time/space]?

[371]

Good video, I've always been interested in the Coral Castle. Just watched a documentary on it earlier this week as a matter of fact.

Whoever has made this video sure has done their homework.

[GregorArturo]

I am not sure if anyone has said it on Avalon, but today is overall one gigantic mind blowing moment for me, heck this whole week has been. Anyways, life is absolutely... Positively... Perfect, for lack of a better word :) In every which way, shape, and form. And from you that, you see beauty at its finest.

[omnicentricity]

Hey Gregor, I am very interested in the work you are doing... do you post anywhere online other than here? I would love to check it out.

Thanks in advance!

[pilot]

I don't know what to say people I am in absolute disbelief. Tango who are (as I see this is your only post). Do you know personally who made this vid? I absolutely agree without a doubt this is one of the greatest secrets to the universe. It unlocks the necessary gaps in torsion field generators. It utilizes the natural wave function within mathematics, the pattern of all that is, to completely shield an object from magnetic, electric, and GRAVITATIONAL fields. The question I am asking to do this does it invert the spacetime continuum in the process [into time/space]?

When you say does "it" invert the space/time continuum-are you talking about the flywheel? That's what I wish I knew-how does that thing work?

Very cool video. I share your enthusiasm Gregor-even though I have not been thinking about prime #s this week-I do phind phi phasinating:original:

[Reveling John]

Interesting.

I went to bed last night and woke up this morning thinking about harmony, more specifically harmonic ratios and overtones. For example, if I start with the note C and say this corresponds to the pitch that sounds at 256hz, then the first overtone which this note generates would be 512hz, or C2, being that it's oscillating at twice the rate (I'm using made up values for the number of oscillations; this would be a very flat C in the musical world) . The next overtone would be 768hz, or 3 times the initial rate of vibration, producing a G, relative to our original C. The next overtone 1024hz would be another C, at 4 times the initial rate and 1280hz would be the next overtone, at 5 times the initial rate, giving a relative E.

Anyway, that's the basics of overtone harmonics, so last night I was thinking about this, reducing the problem to just the ratio's themselves, not really thinking about hz or whatever, so:

1=C, 2=C, 3=G, 4=C, 5=E, 6=G, 7=Bb, 8=C...

Thus are new pitches generated from an initial starting pitch, through this sequence of overtones that can be described as ratios.

So, I start thinking this morning, what if I just use prime numbers to generate my pitches?

1 2 3 5 7 11 13 17 23...
C C G E Bb F# A Db Gb...

I'm not even sure if the notes to overtone ratios are matching up because I really haven't explored enough in this area, but for some reason this morning I spent about 4 hours thinking about this stuff. I started making a table, like the multiplication tables from grade school....

1____3_____5____7
__C_____G____E___Bb
3____9 ____15___21
__G_____D____B____F
5____15___25___35
__E_____B____G#___D
7____21___35___49
__Bb____F____D___Ab

Well, I didn't realize 2 was considered prime and that 1 was not, but I also quickly realized that a 2-d table wasn't gonna do it for me so I started working on a 3-d table. Actually I was still using pencil and paper so it became 2-d cross-sections or slices of a 3-d grid. Each slice looks similar to the grid above, but I won't bother posting cause I don't feel I got anywhere with it. For one thing the axes were (1 3 5 7) by (1 3 5 7) by (1 3 5 7), when they I know now that they should be (2 3 5 7) by (2 3 5 7) by (2 3 5 7) if I'm going to be consistent in my exploration of prime numbers. Except that I started to think about the fibonacci sequence (yes, rather inexplicably) and soon left my prime numbers grid behind. I began using the sequence as the basis for selecting the overtones that would serve as my functional pitches:

0=? 1=C 1=C 2=C 3=G 5=E 8=C 13=A 21=F

And then through octave multiplication/reduction (simply doubling) I was constructing harmonies, using these ratios.

F A C = 168hz 208hz 256hz
(An F Major chord)

These values were reached by multiplying the given ratios by powers of 2, which are in themselves pretty interesting-- 21x2^3=168, 13x2^4=208, 8x2^5=256, etc.

Pretty strange sounding stuff. Anyhoot, at this point I let it go for the day....


Until about an hour and a half ago when I saw this thread and 'prime numbers' once again invaded my mind. Funny thing is that some one posted a link to that video last week and I just blew it off as some flakey new age stuff about 3 secs in. Well, seeing all the talk about prime and fibonacci numbers gave me a reason to stay engaged for the duration.

It's really interesting and has lots of interesting implications, as well as focusing on some numbers that had come up for me this morning. Honestly, though, that information is totally lost on me. I don't understand how to use any of those relationships or how they can be applied to my thought experiments, much less the technical problems of our world. Looks like a few of you know what to do with all this info, and I'm really excited about that. Can't wait to see some action birthed from this strange experience.

I myself just wanted to share how strange and extra-ordinary this thread is, especially from my personal perspective of having spontaneously began the day in overtone-series-harmonics-ratios-prime-numbers-fibonacci-sequence-head-space only to, hours later, discover that others were thinking about the same stuff, if for entirely different reasons.

Well, that's cool. Wow.:lmao:

Great Love,
John

[GregorArturo]

Hey I'm glad to hear people's responses, especially yours John. That's what you call synchronicity. What this discovery does it connects prime numbers with fibonacci numbers and reveals the underlying pattern/sequence to how the universe is concstructed and functions on. It is integral to understand this concept as it can be found EVERYWHERE. To the physical and tangible to the mental and intangible (Studying phi can easily reveal this). With that, the physics of our universe operates on the exact same basics. For us to materialize and exist in the material 3rd dimension, we must be subject to gravitational, electric, and magnetic fields at all times. The fields are intrinsically related with each other. Such a device uses the natural harmonics of torsion fields to shield or cancel out these other fields, thus inverting the spacetime continuum. My research is also focusing on how to make the real 'stargate'.

This opens up a ton for me to work with but leaves a big question still for me and that is materials. As I said with my original post, neodymium I would assume is very important as its intrinsically related to the number 12 as I have originally discovered. The basis of all matter exists upon numbers and mathematics.

My main goal with the theory is to prove that say since aluminum has 13 protons, atomic number 13, which is the sole thing that makes up its specific properties, even though electrons and neutrons do affect it too, that aluminum is the physical manifestation of the number 13, and all its characteristics are derived from the quantum level from the number 13.

With the 'cracking of this code', one can accomplish 'perfect engineering efficiency'. I still have holes in my theory, as all theories seem to do (and that's exactly why I am right here, right now), and I'm trying to figure them out. In a perfect world of mathematics, there are no holes, only divine perfection.

The machine I feel cannot be just made as of yet, because we are missing the most important piece. THE PYRAMID! They specifcally mentioned in the film how we get a number of patterns spiraling inside the pyramid. This is the most important piece to understand and can relate to the Rodin coil with Marko Rodin's work. Torsion fields/energy move radiate in all directions in phi spirals. The construction of the pyramid needs to be built with the right internal geometry interlayed with a corresponding material (limestone is of particular interest, metal and carbon in one, inorganic and organic) to funnel this energy in the most efficient process throught the apex of the pyramid. Essentially you are collecting and compacting this energy into a single point.

[Tango]

Hey I'm glad to hear people's responses, especially yours John. That's what you call synchronicity. What this discovery does it connects prime numbers with fibonacci numbers and reveals the underlying pattern/sequence to how the universe is concstructed and functions on. It is integral to understand this concept as it can be found EVERYWHERE. To the physical and tangible to the mental and intangible (Studying phi can easily reveal this). With that, the physics of our universe operates on the exact same basics. For us to materialize and exist in the material 3rd dimension, we must be subject to gravitational, electric, and magnetic fields at all times. The fields are intrinsically related with each other. Such a device uses the natural harmonics of torsion fields to shield or cancel out these other fields, thus inverting the spacetime continuum. My research is also focusing on how to make the real 'stargate'.

This opens up a ton for me to work with but leaves a big question still for me and that is materials. As I said with my original post, neodymium I would assume is very important as its intrinsically related to the number 12 as I have originally discovered. The basis of all matter exists upon numbers and mathematics.

My main goal with the theory is to prove that say since aluminum has 13 protons, atomic number 13, which is the sole thing that makes up its specific properties, even though electrons and neutrons do affect it too, that aluminum is the physical manifestation of the number 13, and all its characteristics are derived from the quantum level from the number 13.

With the 'cracking of this code', one can accomplish 'perfect engineering efficiency'. I still have holes in my theory, as all theories seem to do (and that's exactly why I am right here, right now), and I'm trying to figure them out. In a perfect world of mathematics, there are no holes, only divine perfection.

The machine I feel cannot be just made as of yet, because we are missing the most important piece. THE PYRAMID! They specifcally mentioned in the film how we get a number of patterns spiraling inside the pyramid. This is the most important piece to understand and can relate to the Rodin coil with Marko Rodin's work. Torsion fields/energy move radiate in all directions in phi spirals. The construction of the pyramid needs to be built with the right internal geometry interlayed with a corresponding material (limestone is of particular interest, metal and carbon in one, inorganic and organic) to funnel this energy in the most efficient process throught the apex of the pyramid. Essentially you are collecting and compacting this energy into a single point.



Well you've almost got it....
You asked for the materials table...
Hopefully, I've attached it...

A little more.... answers: antennas

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLniPp7cv4U&feature=related

.... But don't the your focus of the thread...

Also, the fly wheel that holds the 24 magnets is from a model T
Ford... Important because it has a magnetic weighted flywheel
with pockets for magnets rated at 40 hp. Seems Henry, was having
trouble with the oil men... So, he had a back up plan of using a
magnetic motor a John Kneelys design Tesla also used it.

Trooly,

Tango

[Tango]

I don't know what to say people I am in absolute disbelief. Tango who are (as I see this is your only post). Do you know personally who made this vid? I absolutely agree without a doubt this is one of the greatest secrets to the universe. It unlocks the necessary gaps in torsion field generators. It utilizes the natural wave function within mathematics, the pattern of all that is, to completely shield an object from magnetic, electric, and GRAVITATIONAL fields. The question I am asking to do this does it invert the spacetime continuum in the process [into time/space]?


Who, I am is Not what is important...

I would use different terms: Surround a object in a magnetic; electric;
gravitational torsion wave... Better viewed as a Arizona dust devil [but charged - or +] depending on the location. Pushing the limestone away
from the ground or the repelling same charge... The height would be
remote as to the freq. Boys lurking, thought they heard him singing
to the stones... It was the charge that was singing or more easily
understood the freq. of the material... Don't forget that a ground wire
is not shown which would attach under the generator completing the
circuit...

Does it disrupt space/time ? No more than a dust devil lifting an object !!
No more two magnets repelling each other...

Go back and watch the video a few more times... It'll click... it's in the code
that he built into the gift he left to everyone... Listen to his CODE.

Sweet sixteen...

Trooly,

Tango

[GregorArturo]

I've seen that vid before, I'm not sure if all of it. The diagram you attached is too small to view :(

The piece on Ford is very intriguing. I wish Tesla had made much more of an impact than he did. He's right up there with Einstein and Newton.

[GregorArturo]

Thank you Tango, that fits somethings more into sense. It's different kind of device than I've been hypothesizing and researching. Mine more focuses on stargate technology and what happened at the Philadelphia experiment. And that it inverts spacetime, doesn't necessarily disrupt it. I was getting too excited to fully analyze the piece.

Dust devil makes sense. Thanks for the analogy even though they really are one in the same in terms of physics. I was just explaining someone to not even an hour ago the actual dynamics behind a tornado.

Anyways, yes, I slipped on some terminology and thanks for filling in the holes :)

[ABHA]

Originally Posted by GregorArturo View Post
I don't know what to say people I am in absolute disbelief. Tango who are (as I see this is your only post). Do you know personally who made this vid? I absolutely agree without a doubt this is one of the greatest secrets to the universe. It unlocks the necessary gaps in torsion field generators. It utilizes the natural wave function within mathematics, the pattern of all that is, to completely shield an object from magnetic, electric, and GRAVITATIONAL fields. The question I am asking to do this does it invert the spacetime continuum in the process [into time/space]?


JEREMY STRIDE is his name and here's his site, i posted the same link on the Graham Hancock forum yesterday and got a similar reaction, its great, just wish i was up on my maths a little better, lol.

http://www.code144.com/

hope this helps :thumb_yello:

[Hypnotize]

that video is amazing! thx tango

[Tango]

I've seen that vid before, I'm not sure if all of it. The diagram you attached is too small to view :(

The piece on Ford is very intriguing. I wish Tesla had made much more of an impact than he did. He's right up there with Einstein and Newton.

YOU can find the periodic tables of Walter Russel....

Tesla, was right up there with kneely... They built it... Used it... "tuned it "
Tesla built and drove a Pierce Arrow electric auto same setup as this...


Einstein, didn't use his hands.

[m00g]

Thank you so much for this thread all of you !

It makes so much sense but heck my math is below par.

Oddly enough I have enjoyed this video immensely this week:

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=a49d5cJOGQ0&NR=1

Now I know its working on weight and human power so to speak but after watching the vid Tango posted I see some correlation in the idea.


Food for thought ;)

[GregorArturo]

JEREMY STRIDE is his name and here's his site, i posted the same link on the Graham Hancock forum yesterday and got a similar reaction, its great, just wish i was up on my maths a little better, lol.

http://www.code144.com/

hope this helps :thumb_yello:

Ya, I've already been to the site and chatting on the forums. Thank you though!

How is the graham hancock forum? I'm a big fan of his, and been reading one of his books for awhile now (700 pages oh jeez) along with the many others I have going.

Thank you, Tango. I'm guessing I'm going to take a closer look at that guys work.

[ABHA]

Gregorarturo >
How is the graham hancock forum? I'm a big fan of his, and been reading one of his books for awhile now (700 pages oh jeez) along with the many others I have going.


Hi, its a great message board, more orientated to ancient mystery/tech/discoveryetc, but plenty of Authors to knock heads with, just read Supernatural:G Hancock Wow! its was thick lol.
Heres a link, and keep up the good work, He was special, i love coral castle.

http://www.grahamhancock.com/

oh here's another link, hope it helps.

http://www.coralcastlecode.com/

have a great day

[Merlyn]

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YOU can find the periodic tables of Walter Russel....

Tesla, was right up there with kneely... They built it... Used it... "tuned it "
Tesla built and drove a Pierce Arrow electric auto same setup as this...

Einstein, didn't use his hands.


If you look at Walter Russell's work you will find the answer
to the relationship of THE PYRAMID.

Reveling John - regarding

1 2 3 5 7 11 13 17 23...
C C G E Bb F# A Db Gb...

The Mayan Tzolk'in calendar's "center" tone is 7
their Tzolk'in is a SONG.


http://www.envirowarrior.com/images/tzolkin-wheel.gif

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[100thmonkey]

Thanks for posting it, this is an excellent video.
Sheds new light on ancient UFO's too.
So much makes more sense now.

[Tango]

Thanks for posting it, this is an excellent video.
Sheds new light on ancient UFO's too.
So much makes more sense now.


Tango writes:

This is important... Connect the dots !!

WATCH THIS VIDEO... Part 1 thru 5

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLniPp7cv4U&feature=related

Part 3 is eye opening....

" Just spin it "

There are those that can see a vortex... "They, aways form a wheel"

Trooly,

Tango

Dancing in the sky...

[100thmonkey]

WATCH THIS VIDEO... Part 1 thru 5

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLniPp7cv4U&feature=related

Part 3 is eye opening....
I'll have to watch that later, but I am also thinking this thread may fit well alongside the Camelot interview with Ralph Ring?

[Accipiter_Phi]

Awesome.... Thank you.

[Esther]

Prime numbers, they've bothered me all my life.... Prime
sums... where do they lead us... Quadruplets...

Why does 144 mean something to all of us....

The secrets of the Universe ? Be prepared

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8908165456205611761&ei=kFEKSfPOPJLAqAKwqJ2iCg&q=secret+of+the+universe

More answers....

trooly,

Tango
[CALL SIGN]

Dancing in the Sky

www.code144.com
www.revelatorium.com
www.jmccanneyscience.com

[777 The Great Work]

144 IS THE NEW JERUSALEM. A SQUARE WITHIN A SQUARE, A HYPER CUBE OR BETTER YET ESOTERIC
METATRON'S CUBE AND EXOTERIC MEGATRON'S CUBE.

http://freshimagehosting.com/images/unue55x4frjub3nafv1r.gif (http://freshimagehosting.com/)

The universe is based on harmonic series such as 72, 144, 432. And 144 (a "C" tone in hertz) is a perfect harmonic of the speed of light, which is 144,000 nautical miles (144,000 minutes of arc per Earth grid second) in the vacuum of space.

Each of these harmonics are literally a mirror, or a cascade of mirrors within mirrors, that 8 hz can look into. For example 144 is 18 x 8 hz, and 72 is 9 x 8 hz.

The way that light travels in space is thus a 144 decimal harmonic (144:144,000), and if you multiply 144 three times one obtains the archaic 432.

[Reveling John]

The universe is based on harmonic series such as 72, 144, 432. And 144 (a "C" tone in hertz) is a perfect harmonic of the speed of light, which is 144,000 nautical miles (144,000 minutes of arc per Earth grid second) in the vacuum of space.

Each of these harmonics are literally a mirror, or a cascade of mirrors within mirrors, that 8 hz can look into. For example 144 is 18 x 8 hz, and 72 is 9 x 8 hz.

The way that light travels in space is thus a 144 decimal harmonic (144:144,000), and if you multiply 144 three times one obtains the archaic 432.

Wow, very interesting. Thank you. So, using natural harmonic ratios to surmise what note 432 might be, I would conclude that since 432 is 3 times 144 then it is the 3rd partial of the note that represents 144, which we have decided is "C". The 3rd partial of a note is an interval of a perfect 12th in western notation and a perfect 12th up from "C" is "G". So, 432 should be represented by "G". It is very interesting that our music system is evenly divided into 12 parts (chromatic scale has 12 notes, the 12th note being a doubling of the 1st) and that stacking perfect 12ths takes you through the entire spectrum of possible notes in such a system. 144 is 12x12. Hmmm...

I wanted to address 777Great about 8hz being the "lens" with which we look into the harmonic mirror. I have independently had a similar thought with the exception for a possible inclusion. 8hz is a power of 2hz. The relationships that you used as an example of the power of 8 (144 is 18 x 8) can easily be shown to have significant relationships to other powers of 2. For example:

144 is 18x8
144 is 36x4
144 is 72x2
144 is 9x16

Note that 9, 18, 36, and 72 are all octave reductions of our original "C" at 144. So I would expand the intuition that 8 is an important method of magnifying focus, to the idea that 2, or more accurately the bi-polar nature of our experience of waves is an essential tool for focus, magnification, and description. It's interesting that 9x2 gives 18, which translates into 18 cycles per second, where as 9x4 gives 36, or 36 cycles per second, the 'same' pitch an octave 'higher'. So as the power of 2 increases, the amount of detail in the wave sample increases. By the time we hit 144 we've multiplied the original "pure" ratio of 9/1 by 4 times the power of 2 (not sure if that's how you would state it, but we've magnified our source by 2^4). As I get further into this, I'm almost certain that calculus plays a role in accurately describing this phenomena, but I'm pretty rusty on my calc skills.

I used the word bi-polar because it's very interesting to me that 2 allows all of this to happen in the way that we perceive it. There are always two states to a given wave, even if you are dealing with a frequency like 9hz, because there is always a positive and a negative state and its the time that it takes for the wave to transition from one state to the next that we measure. So the relationship between the 2 states essentially defines the wave, i.e. "This is a gamma ray because it takes blah amount of time for it to transition from positive to negative, and that time measurement is within the range of the spectrum we call gamma rays." That's pretty interesting.

However my presumption that a wave has 2 states is based on the method by which we generally model waves and NOT on the phenomenon of waves themselves. Although, all waves have Max energy instances and Min energy instances, which we describe as the positive peak and the negative peak respectively (max and min), all waves that we observe in nature exhibit multiple dimensions of energetic and material modulation. In other words a sound wave travels by means of expanding and shrinking (compression), but in between its most expanded state and it most compressed state, there are multiple moments of "turn around", where the wave has not peaked, but it begins to shrink any way, and instead of going all the way down to equilibrium, it begins to expand again (hence neither of these turn-arounds representing a peak in either direction). Even though the wave may be abstractly described as a 36hz or 144hz wave, there were actually many instance of state change between the peak changes that we use to describe the wave. And these changes can be measured, allowing us to distinguish a 144hz wave embedded in a 432hz wave, or alternately a 432hz wave embedded in a 9hz wave. So what's my point? That all waves have many, many defining states that represent multiple dimensions of state change or better put, "All physical waves are multi-dimensional modulations of a given medium".

In addition to that, all waves can be seen to exist in multiple mediums. The sound wave in that last example is generally described as the compressing and decompressing of physical matter, however when any matter is compressed, the heat energy around that matter changes and also when the heat energy changes the state of compression changes. So movement by means of compression produces movement in heat, but we generally describe heat as a form of electromagnetic energy. So the change in heat state that results from the change in pressure can be described as an electromagnetic wave, which means that our sound wave is not only navigating the medium of vibratory changes in matter, but also the medium of vibratory changes in energy. And just as the sound wave is generating additional sound waves because it is operating on multiple dimensions of material state change, it's electromagnetic portion is generating additional electromagnetic waves because it is operating on multiple dimensions of energetic state change.

If you haven't noticed by now I'm just ranting. Every time I think of something new to say, if I start actually typing it out, I immediately realize something new to say. So I will try to wrap up here.

All of the mediums of state change are completely interlinked. A change in electron charge produces a change in magnetic charge which produces a change in gravitational charge which produces a change in the state of some as yet undiscovered or theoretical force and so and so on. So all the disciplines that deal with any form of continuous state change are completely relevant to one another, because all types of waves are simultaneously existing as all other types of waves. A single wave exerts pressure to change state on all other waves, on all levels of magnification and in all dimensions of state change, and in turn, all other waves exert pressure upon that single wave. That's extremely interesting to me.

This also means that all waves are multi-spectrum and therefore it is impossible that they consists of only 2 dimensions, although it would be accurate to say that you need at the very least 2 dimensions to describe a given wave. 1 dimension does not allow you to describe anything about a wave form. At the same time, the more dimensions you have, the more accurate your description gets. This calls into question our practice of magnifying wave patterns by use of the powers of 2, which are based on a 2 dimensional description of the wave.

Take a wave that travels through space for example. It moves through 3 dimensions of time and one dimension of space according to Newtonian physics. Lets go with that, but we need to refined the language. This is because the way we actually describe a 3D wave is by mapping state changes in each of the 3 spatial dimensions as a function of time. So what you really have as a description is 3 pairs of bi-polar waves which are used to describe what is in fact a single multi-dimensional wave. We prefer to measure the 2d abstraction of the waves that we measure and describe, hence the apparent bi-polarity.

At the basic level that I've study this stuff, each of these pairs is treated as being independent from the other two. Does that make sense to anyone else. Given that a material state change enacts an energetic state change, wouldn't it make more sense to assume that a change in one spatial dimension will induce a change in all other spatial dimensions? Maybe this is how the real physicists study....hehehe, I obviously never made it to multi-variable calculus. :naughty:

So if a wave that we had been treating as a 2 dimensional phenomenon turns out to be multi-dimensional, why are we still using powers of 2 as a method of magnification and exploration. Would 3 or 7 or 12 be more accurate--anything that attempts to treat this wave as more than a bi-polar phenomena will probably deliver a more accurate description of the behavior of a wave.

Ok, I'll just stop there.

[Reveling John]

Oh my.. 4 hours later I'm waking up with some crazy notions...

Does anyone know anything about performing mathematical functions in base-12? I know only that it is possible, but I don't know where to start.

The reason I ask is that I think alot of these numbers we are discussing and more importantly the relationships between the numbers may be better understood in a base-12 numbering system. I'm not even sure what the notation for such a system would look like. Probably could not use the symbols 0,1,2,3...9..... that would be very confusing. For example, in hexadecimal the symbol '10' represents a quantity of 16. So if we're going to go down this rabbit hole lets spare ourselves from '10' means 12. Maybe we can use letters as digits?

Another thing is that what I said before has apparently been rattling around my brain during sleep because I woke up thinking about the way that we traditionally measure waves and determine their value. First, let me clarify that language. When we "measure" a phenomena in order to "determine it's value" we are actually filtering out all but a few pieces of information about the experience and using that little bit of information to construct a general description of the entire experience as well as to predict the quality of future experiences base on that "measurement". In the case of sound waves, we are measuring the rate of change of the most dominant trend in that wave and using that rate to describe the audible experience of the wave as well as making the prediction that if we reproduce the same rate of change in the form of another wave we will have the same experience. So if a wave form that someone calls "C" can be described as consisting of a rate of change of 144 cycles per second, the next wave that I synthesize with a rate of 144hz should reproduce the audible quality of "C".

Here's the interesting thing about that. If I produce a wave of 144hz using a guitar electrically connected to an amp as my oscillating mechanism, my "C" will sound a certain way. If I take this exact same guitar and use all of the exact same circumstance to produce this wave EXCEPT for one change---I'm going to turn my "Distortion" knob all the way up---the result is an experience that, while I might call it "C" and it may have a lot of similarities to that first experience, will also be qualitatively different; possibly completely different, depending on the type of "distortion" I am using (I put distortion in quotes because it's a very loaded term--not too accurate in terms of what it is actually doing to the wave form). Another example is an organ. In a pipe organ, one note is represented by a chorus of pitches, which means that instead of there being this theoretical ratio of 1:1 between note and pitch, there is a ratio of 1:3 or 1:8 or even more. Therefore the note is no longer describing the experience of a single pitch, but is actually describing the experience of the relationships between multiple pitches. On such an organ, the pitches can be configured in such a way that hitting "C" on the keyboard produces a complex wave form that is much closer to "G" in it's qualitative experience than it is to "C" as we experienced it in my original guitar example.

And here's the kicker: All audible waves are a chorus of pitches. The reason the first guitar example sounds different from the second guitar example is that the wave that is produced in the former is composed of a certain combination of pitches which are quantitatively (measurably) different from the pitches that make up the wave that is produced in the latter. So in order to descriptively distinguish the "C" experience of the first setup from the "C" experience of the second I would need substantially more information than the frequency of oscillation of the most dominant trend in each of those waves. In fact the more information I had about each of the many pitches that are cooperating in the production of these waves, the more accurate my mathmatical/scientific description will be. Also, the more accurate my powers of prediction will be, allowing me to synthesize approximations of this wave that are qualitatively closer and closer to the actual experience of the wave.

Now I will sum up my rant:

Waves cannot be described simply by measuring the oscillation of their fundamental tone. Waves are multi-dimensional phenomena and every dimension is active in determining the experience of the wave. Human systems of harmony are based on the assumption that one can isolate elements of a wave, and these systems are constructed from the properties of these isolated elements. However, these elements cannot actually be isolated in the human experience of the wave. In the experience, all elements are integrated at all moments in time.

What does this mean? There are ways of measuring and studying waves that acoustic physicists use which take into account every thing I've discussed so far. Actually any scientist who studies any naturally occurring wave form, be it sound or light or radio or cosmic rays, takes into account this integrative property to waves and is working with a lot of very sophisticated mathematical models. Unfortunately the people who make art, which would be people who use waves (as in light, sound, language, movement) as a means of modeling/redesigning culture and cultural artifacts, by and large do not have very integrative mathematical models to work from, although this is changing rapidly. So instead, through out the centuries and eons they have used the most accurate system of measurement that was available--- the actual experience--- which each individual artist calls on to construct intuitive models of these experiences. These intuitive models serve as both a method of describing the phenomena and also as a method of perfecting the synthesis of subsequent phenomena through the refinement of prediction. I, as an artist have just begun to peek into the world of mathematical modeling through the exploration of electronic music, and I believe that in order to use all of these waves in the most effective ways, I need to understand both an intuitive model that is integrative and a mathematical model that is integrative. Indeed, the more the refined the mathematical model becomes the closer it gets to mirroring the intuitive model. Computer music is a great example of something that began as an instance of computers doing very advanced logical modeling of waves and being redirected by a human user that is working off a set of intuitively produced assumptions, which has gradually become an instance of human beings sharing responsibility for the decision-making process of creative direction with the computers (.i.e. GarageBand will ensure that all of my loops are in the same key and mode if I allow it to, which limits what I can play, but also allows me to play pieces that are more sophisticated than what I would be capable of producing without the assistance of GarageBand).

This is not about music or even sound. This is about all waves and all wave-related phenomena. In order to move further in to the exciting realm of wave surfing, the artist needs to become a scientist, and the scientist needs to become an artist. How each of us do that is certainly not clear to me, but I think forums like this are part of that journey.

Also I believe this is deeply related with the process of Ascension. I don't how to characterize that relationship, but I "intuitively" know that there is something to that.

[GregorArturo]

John, I'm busy at the moment but want to read your piece later. Just a note, the base-10 system is mathematically sound and natural. It was not arbitrary chosen as some may think, just like why our daily time system was developed by the Sumerians. There are greater forces behind such things.

I understand your base-12 notion in that it may help, but as this is my area of focus, I would not recommend it. Graphic calculators are capable of performing such calculations by the way.

[capreycorn]

grrreat video!
why didn`t i see this before!?



don`t ask why, but i`d like to throw in this number:

481018

4 81 0 18

0 could be a "joker"
(doesn`t have to be a number)

:zip:

[Tango]

I'll have to watch that later, but I am also thinking this thread may fit well alongside the Camelot interview with Ralph Ring?

I don't think sooo....

IT'S ALL CONNECTED.... Watch this and learn.... It's electric

You are more important than you know:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=le_ySMrOkFU&feature=related

SH-h-h-h-h... It's a secret !

Trooly,

Tango

" Dancing in the Sky "

[iainl140285]

144 IS THE NEW JERUSALEM. A SQUARE WITHIN A SQUARE, A HYPER CUBE OR BETTER YET ESOTERIC
METATRON'S CUBE AND EXOTERIC MEGATRON'S CUBE.

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The universe is based on harmonic series such as 72, 144, 432. And 144 (a "C" tone in hertz) is a perfect harmonic of the speed of light, which is 144,000 nautical miles (144,000 minutes of arc per Earth grid second) in the vacuum of space.

Each of these harmonics are literally a mirror, or a cascade of mirrors within mirrors, that 8 hz can look into. For example 144 is 18 x 8 hz, and 72 is 9 x 8 hz.

The way that light travels in space is thus a 144 decimal harmonic (144:144,000), and if you multiply 144 three times one obtains the archaic 432.


Hi 777.
I'm not sure why, by as soon as I read hypercube and then watched 'The Arrivals' link above it just reminded me of a guy named Stan Romanek. He seemingly has written a series of equations/drawings that he says have been planted in his mind.

Weird thing is - he actually drew a hypercube with the planets of our solar system and the constellation Orion. Pic attached:

Full story can be seen here :http://www.rense.com/general46/stan1.html

Anyway - I think you guys are on to something and I felt this was a connection

Peace
Iain

[rosie]

Tango,
Thank you, thank you, thank you for this gem. Most of my thoughts and dreams contain magnetism, numbers, angles, copper and sacred geometry.

Pieces are falling into place.

love & peace

[Tango]

Your welcome...... enJoy...