To Bill and Kerry concerning the Mods and Threads/Posts Deletion [Archive]

bill7907

10-31-2008, 02:09 PM

Hello Bill and hello Kerry,

I want to tell you that by hiring your Mods, you must be very careful by who you are hiring exactly, especially in a field that opposes the ideas of what the Government really wants to make public.

If the Government wants to censor certain ideas and certain discussions, the best "Tool" for them to do so in a forum, is of course being a Mod because you have access to all the tools available at your disposal to erase certain elements that you don't want to make public and widely known.

In that perspective, I have a feeling one(or maybe a few) of the Mods are deleting certain ideas, certain elements, certain threads, and even some portions of threads that doesn't suit "the need to know" of the public.

There is one thread at the following Link:
http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=6432

The Thread may look normal at first sight, but what you don't know is that there were 2 additionnal posts in that thread that went missing.

I am not an isolated case because there have been reports from people posting coming from different locations on the globe ; all reporting something missing.

It's something people are not aware of it, but I think it is of great importance because if no one reacts to this now, the censuring will grow and it will not be any better than the ATS forum.

So or you watch out on who you are hiring on Project Camelot/Project Avalon, or your forum is being hacked and manipulated by a fraction of the Government that doesn't want to let out.

NewParadigmGuy

10-31-2008, 02:35 PM

Kate

10-31-2008, 03:09 PM

Dear Bill7907,

*BIG SIGH*
I will get straight to the point here. I am wondering what YOUR purpose is for starting a 'provocative' thread like this??
A mod has just checked the thread that you claim has had 2 posts removed? no removal has been detected.

As for the reports that some threads 'go missing' ... YES, from time to time it is necessary to remove posts/threads for review due to misuse of forum guidelines. I suggest you read the forum guidelines AGAIN if unclear.
As Moderators, we have rules to abide by and a process we go through when removing/moving threads. Sometimes human error can occur, and when this happens we try and rectify it ASAP.

It has come to MY attention here, that one of the most popular 'tools/tactics'
of an outside agent representing the PTB is starting up threads like this, to try and stir up confusion, paranoia and mistrust amongst members. How do we know that YOU are not an infiltrator???
The most helpful way to deal with queries such as this, by a genuinely concerned member would have been to PM directly to Bill or Kerry. Instead, we have yet MORE potential problems to handle from concerned members as a response to this 'alarmist' thread.

We ALL have to use discernment. We all have to use our instincts in assessing who is not to be trusted.

Please feel free to PM myself or any other MOD if you wish to take this matter further.

peace.
kate

TruthWillSetUFree

10-31-2008, 03:50 PM

AAAAARRRRGGGGHHHHHHHHH! I don't know who do trust, who to believe, who is telling the Truth!? :wall:

I guess TPB are winning the game of divide and conquer.

Seriously, What I tell my students

EMOTIONS can be used as TOOLs Not as the Truth
Everyone has their OWN perception of the Truth

If an emotion comes up such as anger, mistrust, sadness etc etc
GO INWARD FIRST Where in your life have you felt this before

Most times it is the same feeling, within a different experience.
It takes BRUTAL HONESTY TO LOOK AT YOURSELF

THIS IS WHAT YOU CAME TO TRANSCEND THIS LIFETIME

AND Incidently, WHY the world is in this shape.

It is precisely because of an accumulation of all of our thoughts, feelings that go unchecked that is manifesting this reality.

It is vital to do this BEFORE you put it out to us on the forum because we are still programed with a hierarchy mentality, that is, we look to others FOR AN ANSWER BEFORE WE GO WITHIN.

I don't mean to beat anyone up here, but this is so important for ALL OF US to GET.

Love & Light

David

10-31-2008, 03:56 PM

*sigh* people are reading too much into things. :sleep_1:

Deoxyan

10-31-2008, 03:58 PM

i suggest you not to trust anyone, and not to believe anything. But try to take al this perspectives into account. Cult creators need cult followers. Those in need to trust someone, and in need to believe something, will be the first and the only ones to fall easy and quickly to all the potential brainwashing and mind control that lies here.

We don´t need to be united, we need to be aware of what is happening here and elsewhere in the world, if we want to.

rossy_j

10-31-2008, 04:05 PM

Kate,

You should know better!!!!!

Maybe you should read a post more than once before making such coments. Mods are directing this site more an anything else.

A good question to ask youself - Why are you (and other mods) under so much pressure and where is it coming from?

slywinkl

10-31-2008, 04:11 PM

granted ive not been on this forum for long, and this is my last post.

ive seen interesting stuff dissapear since the change to make rules inn here, and gettin mail from mods that ive not to type this and that. fair i can follow rules. but this forum was to my understanding was to open upp eachothers mind. not close them.

to move treads all over the place to make it harder to find em again to.

since this has happened my friends are dropping this forum one by one and i am dropping it too

i am relly gratefull for the makers of avalon and camelot. and haf done what i can to inform people and friends to these sites, witch i will not anymore becouse i want to open upp ppl's minds, not close them.

i relly thinks its irelevant if the questions and info aint correctly spoken, or in some cases not true. to some it may be a spark to go and research it more and find their own truth.

and this in my mind is a crutial thing becouse all have their own way of waking upp, and what catces their eyes.

Love from kjell gunnar

Bill Ryan

10-31-2008, 04:28 PM

I couldn't agree more.

This forum was supposedly formed to facilitate networking among the "ground crew". Given that the "ground crew" concept originated in The Handbook for the New Paradigm, I cannot imagine what could possibly be more "on topic" than discussions of this book and its sequels.

Yet, several requests for a sub-forum to discuss various aspects of these books have apparently fallen upon deaf ears.

And now, the main thread where these books were being discussed has been deleted in its entirety. One very dedicated member has put an awful lot of time into very detailed posts on that thread. I can only imagine how disgusted he must be.

Another thread asks the question, "Are people losing interest?". As far as the New Paradigm Project goes: No. As far as this forum goes: Yes

Dear Friend:

Many thanks for your message. We're just looking into what happened here with that thread. Simon deleted it when he resigned as a moderator. As the originator of the thread, he's technically able to do that.

Unfortunately, he took away other people's replies as well.

It is crystal clear to me that this is unethical and irresponsible. Simon threw a tantrum. His action was immature. We do NOT know what specifically triggered this.

One does NOT delete other people's words and thoughts and feelings just because one has a personal issue in a different area (as Simon did, because he disagreed with the style of moderation that Kerry and I wanted to see: less thoughtless policing and more intelligent dialog with members, even if that was a hassle and took more time).

But while that was the general issue troubling him, Simon was suddenly greatly angered by someone or something and we do not know what it is. He is not telling.

We sympathize with anyone under stress, and who is upset, but we all have our responsibility and he will not be returning here to this forum as a moderator.

I am very sorry that this has happened. I personally apologize to all members. I do not know if the threads can be restored.

There is no malice here... just dumb human weakness. None of us are immune. The test of all of us is to respond with dignity, intelligence and responsibility even when irritated and angered (as I am now).

I ask all members to do that when they post. It's sometimes easy to be spiteful. It's sometimes hard to be honest. (And honesty begins with what's going on with each of us personally... not the other guy.)

Having said all this, I support Kate's comments above. The Original Poster made a range of general accusations which are unhelpful in the assumptions that were made. A PM would have been more appropriate. Spreading drama is not helpful. It is (by definition) off-topic.

To summarize: none of the moderators are bad people. Some of them have been under a lot of pressure. They have been working incredibly hard. I am extremely grateful for the work they have all done. It's very easy to criticize when one is not doing their work. But all of us, myself included, always need to reach inside us to find our best, especially in these times.

Very best wishes, Bill

m00g

10-31-2008, 04:29 PM

At the start or the end of the day moderation is censorship.

Sure Mods are good for getting rid of silly stuff like pron or the like and they do their job well.

I'm a member on ableton (music software site) and they take that stance heavily and it works mostly, freedom of speech etc.

Dear all,

Following are a few words which are supposed to help us all when using the
Ableton forum and making it as pleasant as possible.

There is so much (partially overlapping, partially also contrary)
information on the so-called Netiquette available on the Internet that
at this point, we would like to only refer to some resources. For those who would
like to know some more detail on the world of
netiquette might want to start with this link:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netiquette

Here, we would rather like to emphasize the 'social' part of the so- called
Netiquette.
Please try to always remember that there are also humans on the other end of
the 'line'.
This is why you might want to not be using too much slang-vocabulary as
the forum-community includes people from a lot of different countries and
slang can often be either not understood at all or misinterpreted.
Just the same, especially new members of the forum require help and
respectively a friendly and co-operative behavior. Therefore we would like
you to be friendly, helpful and respectful.

Please also consider that a lot of minors visit this place and therefore sexually
explicit content should be avoided, too.

This means that each forum-user can contribute to the forum being found to
be a pleasant place by giving a good example him- or herself. Because
somebody who is treated in a friendly manner is probably much rather willing
and motivated to treat others friendly as well.

In this forum we trust in the ability of the
Ableton-community to manage the forum themselves.
We don't intend to introduce any kind of censorship, you're free to express
your opinion - but please try to do so in a decent manner.

In extreme cases of offensive language, sexually explicit content, personal fights etc.
we may ask you to restate what you want to express without violating this code of behavior.
Please cooperate if you get such a request from us as we hate the idea of having to
exclude people from this forum against their will.

Well it works in the context of a music site, sure there are some right silly arguments and un-human stuff there, but people have that right in that context just like people should have their right to say what they think here.

And regarding the thread I must say I don't visit enough to notice missing threads LOL

All the best!

becky

10-31-2008, 04:31 PM

THe more I learn, the more I realize how little I know. Or something like that. I am so disillusioned as of late. Where is the safe haven? Who is telling the truth? Are threads being deleted on purpose, or not? Are insiders really on the inside, or not? IS there going to be a spiritual awakening, or not? Is the Galactic Federation coming to show themselves, or not? Is the Amero coming, or not? IS Niburu coming, or not? IS December 21, 2012 the END, or not? Is Tom Cruise gay, or not? (That last one was just for fun.) I mean sometimes I really crave a shallow existence without a "seekers" personality. Just something like work, celebrating holidays, going to the mall, and eating at Applebee's.

I discovered yesterday that one of my gurus, David Hawkins, of Power vs. Force, Transcending the Levels of Conciousness, etc. LIED in his book about getting his Phd. at Columbia University. He actually got his Phd. at Columbia Pacific University, a non-accredited school. This may seem like a small hiccup BUT HIS ENTIRE FIELD OF RESEARCH IS ON TRUTH! (i then discovered that he also calibrates George W., according to his map of consciousness, at 460, which would be somewhere close to sainthood). My head imploded.

Sorry, I got off topic there somewhat, but only to illustrate my lament that I guess I have to throw up my hands and say, "I don't know nuthin' but my name and how to make a good batch of sangria. And neither does anyone else."

Here's my plan: go within and question EVERYTHING. And eat chocolate.

rossy_j

10-31-2008, 04:31 PM

slywinkl,

I understand your reason.

I do however enjoy this forum and believe most members here are looking for answers, support and freedom. It is not the time to leave, I believe we will be hard pressed to find a forum like Avalon and I also believe that is why the mods are under so much pressure.

US ELECTION = PRESURE

Jenny

10-31-2008, 04:34 PM

becky

10-31-2008, 05:05 PM

What can I say Jenny? It's Halloween and Aunt Flow is in town.

rossy_j

10-31-2008, 05:09 PM

Co Founder and 2 Moderators,

A little bit of negative press is not a bad thing! or is it?

I'm not surprised Simon had a melt down and it will not be the last. Have you ever heard of OHS (Occupation Health & Safety)? OHS does not just apply to just mining industry Bill.

Your staff is what makes it possible (look after them).

franciejones

10-31-2008, 05:09 PM

:roll1:
What can I say Jenny? It's Halloween and Aunt Flow is in town.

I hear ya babe

petesm22

10-31-2008, 05:14 PM

i have to agree,i had one deleted too.iI did not break any rules....I just said i had a hard time beliving someone who said that GOD talks to him and tells where he should be to get info..(Bill Deagle)

bill7907

10-31-2008, 05:27 PM

Bill Ryan you said that about me: "a range of general accusations which are unhelpful".

So are you aware that Zorgon replied to me by talking about the holmes comet? Maybe not because you didn't see the Thread in its original state.
PM Zorgon if you want or anyone that was aware of the original state of the Thread.

I replied back to his comment, but our 2 posts are not present anymore in Thread.
So it's clear that someone erased them.
I am not throwing random stuff here just to cause confusion, someone erased the posts and I want to know why?

dataeast

10-31-2008, 05:53 PM

So are you aware that Zorgon replied to me ...

Yeah, you aren't going mad, I saw those posts about the IRSA(?).

capreycorn

10-31-2008, 05:54 PM

...blame it on homeland security...
must be too easy for them to delete this and that on this forum and create trouble this way...
and no one will know what really "hit" the forum.

are any computer experts out there who know how many "backdoor-possibilities" exist to do some stealthy modifications?

little do we really know about how the computers at their very core are really operating..unless one of us works for one of the 2 "known" (can`t recall the names!:sad:) companies in this world. how are we to know? all of what we know is basically what we are told...(allowed to know)

rossy_j

10-31-2008, 06:11 PM

m00g

10-31-2008, 06:14 PM

Just read the charter I posted above, adapt that mentality here and all is ok.

Its so simple.

Deoxyan

10-31-2008, 06:53 PM

it should be a hard work to be mod here as there are a little number of them i think.

Bill Ryan

10-31-2008, 07:36 PM

Originally Posted by bill7907
Bill Ryan you said that about me: "a range of general accusations which are unhelpful".

So are you aware that Zorgon replied to me by talking about the holmes comet? Maybe not because you didn't see the Thread in its original state.
PM Zorgon if you want or anyone that was aware of the original state of the Thread.

I replied back to his comment, but our 2 posts are not present anymore in Thread.
So it's clear that someone erased them.
I am not throwing random stuff here just to cause confusion, someone erased the posts and I want to know why?

Bill 7907, the thread shows no sign of any posts being deleted. If they really have disppeared, it was not a mod who did that.

My (and Kate's) earlier remarks to you were based on this:

I have a feeling one(or maybe a few) of the Mods are deleting certain ideas, certain elements, certain threads, and even some portions of threads that doesn't suit "the need to know" of the public.

Not helpful and not true: mod activity leaves a very clear data trail behind. Some mods make mistakes. No mods are malicious. But others with certain interests may be.

IF posts are disappearing and it's not a mod who deleted them, then I'm not sure what we can do about it. But (if true) it IS certainly useful to know.

Please understand that we have no way of knowing what has suddenly disappeared if we've not seen the thread and there's no *deleted* label left behind.

Questions are useful, as is hard information. Accusations are not. Kate and I both apologize if we responded too harshly. Accusations are what the mods team do not need right now, and we hope you can understand that from our point of view. Psyops are certainly a possibility (even likely). This is what Kate was referring to in her reply.

Bill Ryan and Kerry Cassidy need to be more careful in Australia

We do? Please say more.

Very best, Bill

MargueriteBee

10-31-2008, 10:35 PM

Hi Bill,

I had a post that is no longer there (I just checked.) on this thread:

http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=5524&highlight=cain

My post was the third one down and was about how I saw on TV McCain say we should open the oil fields in Alaska so they exploit it.

[ This was investigated by the moderators and found to be result of confusion over multiple threads on same topic, see http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/showpost.php?p=67424&postcount=35 -- Anchor.. ]

Myplanet2

10-31-2008, 11:11 PM

Norval

11-01-2008, 12:15 AM

Forum hacked?

Several of us now notice that the forum is now not able to link from the top between Camelot and Avelon?!?!? Is this a hack job, or are we all being segrigated now?

Carol

11-01-2008, 03:05 AM

Actually Norval, Colin has been doing some work on the forum which is why that is happening right now. There are reasonable, logical explanations that are not broadcast everytime something technical is being altered. When it comes to threads being moved or posts altered the mods contact the person who is involved by PM when the change is being made.

Norval

11-01-2008, 03:19 AM

Thank you Carol, there are only a few thousand, , well hundreds now, of those persons that this affected. :original:

Made_in_Brazil

11-01-2008, 04:08 AM

Eh. I was kind of excited lurking here and thinking that the threads and posts phenomena were actually collateral effect of virtual timelines madly looping and shifting before my eyes. :naughty:
There!... then, kaput! Gone somewhere else.... got it! Not there, here.... oooops, back again, but anywhere. Nowhere! But Where?.:lmao:
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TranceAm

11-01-2008, 05:25 AM

Dear Friend:

Many thanks for your message. We're just looking into what happened here with that thread. Simon deleted it when he resigned as a moderator. As the originator of the thread, he's technically able to do that.

Unfortunately, he took away other people's replies as well.

It is crystal clear to me that this is unethical and irresponsible. Simon threw a tantrum. His action was immature. We do NOT know what specifically triggered this.

One does NOT delete other people's words and thoughts and feelings just because one has a personal issue in a different area (as Simon did, because he disagreed with the style of moderation that Kerry and I wanted to see: less thoughtless policing and more intelligent dialog with members, even if that was a hassle and took more time).

But while that was the general issue troubling him, Simon was suddenly greatly angered by someone or something and we do not know what it is. He is not telling.

We sympathize with anyone under stress, and who is upset, but we all have our responsibility and he will not be returning here to this forum as a moderator.

I am very sorry that this has happened. I personally apologize to all members. I do not know if the threads can be restored.

8< -.-.->8

Very best wishes, Bill

Thanks for this reply.. We (As in all members that don't run on <blind>faith because of past experiences.) needed it (An reason for the several "Why's"..)
I am sorry for being a persistent moderator itch in the other thread, but felt as having no other choice.. My motivation is posted there.

Henry Deacon

11-01-2008, 05:34 AM

Dear Explorers, Wonderers and Wanderers,

Let's give these TWO very different forums more time to stabilize (stabilise). i have been exploring and discussing the observations mentioned in this thread with Avalon/Camelot as well... Before this thread was formed.

To some of us, It has appeared (i.e. illusion) that unusual/secret/deceptive manipulation has been on-going here. Many hours of discussion (off the forums, of the forums, for the forums) have now been done. The moderators are from many very different backgrounds and experience/inexperience levels (and from all around this little globe). Bill and Kerry have been going through an almost constant state of jet lag for a while now (IMO).... during the same 'time' period as these TWO forums have been growing - from birth 'til now.

One administrator to handle the top-load of Thousands of explorers in TWO forums here (plus at least one other forum on the internet)!

It has many-a-time felt quite frustrating to experience being a non-mod/non-admin forum member and to see how things appear and function from that 'real'-world (forums user) perspective. After noting comments in this thread and from other explorers reporting in here and there--- added to my experiences from the 'field' recently, then communicating directly with others, i now have much more hope to see moderation and thread handling improve rapidly.

i wish to see these TWO separate forums become places for people to exchange ideas, findings, philosophies, etc.... openly and without a sensation or feeling of excessive controls being imposed. Threads have been moving all over the place and fading away at times. These 'problems' have now been clearly addressed.

i Believe that, given a little bit more time and patience here for this new child (the Two forums) and its 'maintenance system' to learn and to grow, things will blossom into what we/you hope for.

Very carefully following the primary-subtle and also not so subtle energies of the forums, over a period of many weeks --- and hearing the heart energies of Bill, i could not sit in the background any longer. Let each of us contribute energy to uplift these forums to a very high tone.

This is for the benefit all beings here - of this little dot in space.

Let's see how things go from here. These TWO forums can be fun and hopefully not focused excessively on any serious doom or fear/predictions. There is plenty of it on the internet for those who love the excitement and suspense. Movies and the daily news are full of exciting fiction and hair-raising stimulation.

For the AVALON Forum:
It makes good sense to be prepared and to exchange information on how to physically and emotionally survive. Almost every generation experiences times of trial. This is part of living in this realm. A well trained (and calm) mind is the best survival tool we can have.

Enjoy the flowers and the creatures.

Enjoy the mountains and the valleys and the meadows.

:shocked:

PS: PLEASE PLEASE Let's Try to post things in logical places to help out. AND put Camelot bits under the Camelot Forum(UFOs/related as well) and Avalon bits in the Avalove Forum.

YOur extra efforts will significantly reduce the problems, confusion and workloads ...

An organized (organised) filing system (papers in alphabetical order please.. just as we were hopefully taught in grade school)...

Remember that data systems and computers Multiply and Amplify errors we introduce into their systems.

Anchor

11-01-2008, 05:38 AM

Thanks for posting that Henry.

A..

TranceAm

11-01-2008, 05:48 AM

Henry. That is a very hopeful :thumb_yello: first post.

Thanks, so lets start building that community.

MargueriteBee

11-01-2008, 05:54 AM

I must say that I was completely incorrect about my post being deleted. There was this duplicate thread and I lost track of which was I had posted on.

Mrs. Robinson

11-01-2008, 06:28 AM

Hello and a big warm welcome Mr. Deacon! I was so delighted to see you posting here!

I also believe that knowledge is a great tool (combined with and guided by spirit) for physical and emotional survival in these fragile times, as you've said. So, would you care to perhaps start another thread discussing oh, say, the planned war with China? (just for starters) :wink2: You have so much to share, this would be a great time and place to continue where you started on Camelot.....what say?

many blessings to you

raulduke

11-01-2008, 06:33 AM

We're just looking into what happened here with that thread. Simon deleted it when he resigned as a moderator. As the originator of the thread, he's technically able to do that.

Hi Bill,

Thanks for helping to clear all this Simon business up. Yours has been the most clear, informative, and satisfactory (imo) post from any mod yet. No slag to any other mod, I realise that you all must have had personal ties w/ Simon to varying degrees, that may have inhibited your ability to respond objectively.

I have a suggestion as this sort of rogue behavior still sounds possible currently. I've never been a mod anywhere and this is the first forum I've ever been a member of, so I'm not sure about the logistics of this suggestion.

I suggest that in order for any mod to be able to delete an entire thread, they should have to check w/ at least one other mod (it seems like there are always a few mods on at any moment anyway). I realise this could be tedious, but as we have seen much fervor in the wake of Simon's departure, it may have prevented some of the controversy.

Just my 2 cents anyway.

Oh and welcome (back?) Mr. Deacon. Great post. I especially liked the last bit.

A well trained mind is the best survival tool we can have.

Enjoy the flowers and the creatures.

Enjoy the mountains and the valleys and the meadows.

Agreed. The key to solving any problem (imo) is first having a clear mind and thus, a more accurate perception of the problem.

I just enjoyed some flowers, creatures, and even a valley today.

Mountains and meadows to follow soon enough.:original:

zorgon

11-01-2008, 07:07 AM

i do not believe there are any entities of significance working here to intentionally disrupt either forum. Any active 'entities' who may be in the mods group are powerless here. As long as people can speak freely as they have done in this thread -- humans, 'invisible' beings, agents of secret organizations (organisations), etc. will have no choice but to go on vacation.

Hi Henry welcome 'back' :thumb_yello: So I can assume your other aliases here will no longer be necessary?

I am glad you believe there are no malevolent entities 'of note' here... but I am curious about those now 'powerless' mods. To bad about Simon leaving...

I did come across a very disturbing post at another forum... Godlikeproductions actually... Would you happen to know anything about it? The info mentioned is only something a very select few here were party to...

I quote...

Posted by Blissmaker

Henry Deacon - Zorgon et alia

ZORGON ACCUSES HENRY DEACON AND DOES NOT KNOW HENRY DEACON.

HENRY DEACON DID NOT ATTACK ZORGON.
IN FACT IT WAS THE VERY OPPOSITE!

ZORGON KNOWS NOTHING ABOUT the original xxx.lanl.gov link (a url modified and incorrectly quoted/posted in Camelot's original report), SHIVA-NOVAs roots, or any of what HENRY DEACON may have been involved with.

LET's GET THE RECORD STRAIGHT.

I KNOW DR. DEACON AND HE IS NOT PLEASED WITH WHAT ZORGON AND HIS COHORTS ARE DOING. NOT ONLY ARE THERE FALSE ALLEGATIONS AND DISTORTED INFORMATION, BUT ALSO ZORGON AND HIS COHORTS ARE PRESENTING BAD DATA AND DISINFORMATION TO THE PUBLIC.
CREATING CONFUSION DURING A CRITICAL TIME IN HUMAN HISTORY.

THE TRUE INTENTIONS OF ZORGON ARE UNKNOWN AT THIS TIME.

SOME OF WHAT IS KNOWN ABOUT ZORGON IS STATED ABOVE.

DR. DEACON DOES NOT WISH TO BE INVOLVED IN CONFLICT WITH ANYONE. UNPROFESSIONAL AND IMMATURE BEHAVIOR IS ABHORRED.

HE WISHES ONLY TO PRESENT VALID AND ESSENTIAL DATA TO THE PUBLIC AS NEEDED FOR THEIR SAFETY, WELLBEING AND FOR GUIDANCE THROUGH DIFFICULT TIMES.

THIS IS IN RESPONSE TO THE MATERIAL QUOTED BELOW - FROM AN ATS POSTING.

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message618597/pg1

Also at GLP there is this posting about John Lear leaving this forum.

I quote...

Lear Retreats after being caught red-handed
Quote

Wow! The DisInfo Agent has been exposed and booted out of yet Another forum.

Three Cheers for Project Avalon and their search for truth.

"Let me make it simple for all of us:

This will be my last post on Project Avalon.

And don't ask me back as I have much better uses
for my time than 'working together' and spoon feeding the ignorant.

All the best,

John Lear"

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message608714/pg1

Now since John left over an 'issue' over you... I find it very curious to find this posted at GLP

Would you have any idea who this Blissmaker might be?

Sounds like you are back 'at the helm' :thumb_yello:

Do you have mod status yet as you did before? Like editing another mods post?

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/47john_lear/04images/Camelot/HD_001.jpg

Appreciate any light you could shed on these issues...

Thanks

:smoke:

zorgon

11-01-2008, 07:48 AM

And now that your back maybe I can get a few answers ...

1) what was the meaning of THIS post?

Henry Deacon
Guest

Exclamation Re: Alice in Wonderland Through the Looking Glass
Please do not post anymore material into this Thread.

It will be moved shortly, to some other area.

FURTHERMORE, unless clearly explained... zorgon will be blocked and we will proceed from there to observe what the Intentions are for posting in this manner.

http://projectavalon.net/forum/showpost.php?p=34459&postcount=7

2) I originally wrote Bill about the material I had about "Looking Glass" (via Dan Burish" and "Project Shiva Nova" through another ex LLNL employee as well as my contact at Boeing.... When I heard you interview I wrote Bill that I had this material to back up what you claimed in your interview...

This was BEFORE Project Avalon opened...

My email was unanswered, and despite an apology from Bill on an Avalon PM that he was busy... the letter still remains unanswered.

It seems ludicrous to me that a supoosed 'whistle blower' would take offense to someone providing documentation for what they talked about in an interview... How silly is that? Is it not the intent of an interview at Project Camelot to share info? Then why the 'harsh' reaction when someone else provides more info?

3) This one is for Bill... When you invited myself and John to participate on this forum, you asked us NOT to scare off Henry Deacon...

My posting the info was not intended to 'scare him off'... I fully expected a thank you for supporting the interview... I did NOT expect a PM from Henry accusing me of being PsysOps and the reaction posted in item one on a public forum.

Since the deletion of the three threads of mine (which have been recovered :thumb_yello: ) I notice that 'something is not right'.

John also left because he accidentally named 'another poster' as Henry... and has since not heard anything from you or Kerry.

BTW John just got out of five days at the hospital for serious spinal cord surgery... He is doing well... thanks :wink2: )

4) Again to Bill.... (or Henry)

In the post above Henry made this comment.

Many hours of discussion (off the forums, of the forums, for the forums) have now been done, after several weeks of "socks made into puppets" interaction, observation, etc. The moderators are from many very different backgrounds and experience/inexperience levels (and from all around this little globe).

So Henry admits to having been on this forum all along after his "goodbye" as 'sock puppets'

I know of at least 5, I am sure there are more...

Is this fair to Avalon members? Care to come clean and tell us all how many 'sock puppets' Henry did have here?

How about the real reason Simon left? Surely the people that make up this forum deserve to know the truth?

I have saved the relevant threads and posts, so in case they are 'hacked' there is a safe copy :wink2:

I was content to let the mystery play itself out... but since personal attacks started at forums like GLP that I don't even post on attacking my reputation and that of all the members of Pegasus... I cannot remain silent any longer...

I only hope the right thing happens here over the next few days...

Good luck to all... its about to hit the fan....

HaveBlue

11-01-2008, 08:35 AM

Just a note to you Zorgon that I have read your stuff on open minds and are glad for your intelligence.
If John Lear has left here it's quite understandable. I don't check in here very often myself any more like I did at the start.
Forums such as this will always attract those that are seriously menally ill.
Perhaps a thread just for sqaubbling so those that want to do that can do it.
I've visited and been a member of many different forums on all sorts of different subjects and they all have 'problem' people that whine and contribute nothing.
In the interests of transperancy I would ban them but also have a section where the offending posts can be viewed by others. People could agree or not in that section. Whining off topic in other threads would have the result of them becoming the newest 'banned poster'. Harsh? Maybe,but Avalon is risking becoming a place that will be the laughing stock of the web and all the Gems of real info get buried by rubbish. No disinfo agents needed,no psyops, just a bunch all blaming each other. The PTB laughing and reassured in their conviction that the sheeple cannot run a discussion let alone their own lives and futures!:tongue2:
I can't wait for the 'pay' thread that has been touted. It should sort the wheat from the chaff.

warngen

11-01-2008, 08:52 AM

Great to see your information Zorgon. If you get dennab, then we know something is up. :P

Kerry Cassidy

11-01-2008, 10:25 AM

Hi Henry welcome 'back' :thumb_yello: So I can assume your other aliases here will no longer be necessary?

I am glad you believe there are no malevolent entities 'of note' here... but I am curious about those now 'powerless' mods. To bad about Simon leaving...

I did come across a very disturbing post at another forum... Godlikeproductions actually... Would you happen to know anything about it? The info mentioned is only something a very select few here were party to...

I quote...

Posted by Blissmaker

Henry Deacon - Zorgon et alia

ZORGON ACCUSES HENRY DEACON AND DOES NOT KNOW HENRY DEACON.

HENRY DEACON DID NOT ATTACK ZORGON.
IN FACT IT WAS THE VERY OPPOSITE!

ZORGON KNOWS NOTHING ABOUT the original xxx.lanl.gov link (a url modified and incorrectly quoted/posted in Camelot's original report), SHIVA-NOVAs roots, or any of what HENRY DEACON may have been involved with.

LET's GET THE RECORD STRAIGHT.

I KNOW DR. DEACON AND HE IS NOT PLEASED WITH WHAT ZORGON AND HIS COHORTS ARE DOING. NOT ONLY ARE THERE FALSE ALLEGATIONS AND DISTORTED INFORMATION, BUT ALSO ZORGON AND HIS COHORTS ARE PRESENTING BAD DATA AND DISINFORMATION TO THE PUBLIC.
CREATING CONFUSION DURING A CRITICAL TIME IN HUMAN HISTORY.

THE TRUE INTENTIONS OF ZORGON ARE UNKNOWN AT THIS TIME.

SOME OF WHAT IS KNOWN ABOUT ZORGON IS STATED ABOVE.

DR. DEACON DOES NOT WISH TO BE INVOLVED IN CONFLICT WITH ANYONE. UNPROFESSIONAL AND IMMATURE BEHAVIOR IS ABHORRED.

HE WISHES ONLY TO PRESENT VALID AND ESSENTIAL DATA TO THE PUBLIC AS NEEDED FOR THEIR SAFETY, WELLBEING AND FOR GUIDANCE THROUGH DIFFICULT TIMES.

THIS IS IN RESPONSE TO THE MATERIAL QUOTED BELOW - FROM AN ATS POSTING.

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message618597/pg1

Also at GLP there is this posting about John Lear leaving this forum.

I quote...

Lear Retreats after being caught red-handed
Quote

Wow! The DisInfo Agent has been exposed and booted out of yet Another forum.

Three Cheers for Project Avalon and their search for truth.

"Let me make it simple for all of us:

This will be my last post on Project Avalon.

And don't ask me back as I have much better uses
for my time than 'working together' and spoon feeding the ignorant.

All the best,

John Lear"

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message608714/pg1

Now since John left over an 'issue' over you... I find it very curious to find this posted at GLP

Would you have any idea who this Blissmaker might be?

Sounds like you are back 'at the helm' :thumb_yello:

Do you have mod status yet as you did before? Like editing another mods post?

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/47john_lear/04images/Camelot/HD_001.jpg

Appreciate any light you could shed on these issues...

Thanks

:smoke:

Hi Zorgon, Henry et al,

First of all let me say Zorgon, that HD is not at the helm here at Avalon.. He is a whistle blower who does participate in various ways on this an other forums.

He obfuscates when he feels it necessary... but we do not support him in this. We wish for only the truth. That is why we do Project Camelot. Everything we have posted regarding Henry Deacon is what he has agreed to and wished the world to know AT THE TIME. He may now wish to change his testimony... Very well. Let him state openly to the world what he now calls truth and let the world decide, which version of Henry's truth is the real one...

There is nothing wrong with dialog, and I would like to go on record stating that all views are welcome. That includes Zorgon's and Lear's... and Henry Deacon regardless what name he is choosing to mask behind. What's in a name anyway.

Let's deal with the issues rather than bother with the personal attacks. Project Avalon and Camelot forums were set up to provide a place for open dialog to take place.

As far as I am concerned, no editing by Mods is necessary of anything HD, Zorgon or Lear posts...

Let the games begin...

But a word of caution: why not deal with the issues, ie. be they 911 and the holograms that may indeed one day be the false flag alien invasion scenario or other issues that may face humanity as we move into the galactic center...

Kerry

raulduke

11-01-2008, 10:54 AM

There is nothing wrong with dialog, and I would like to go on record stating that all views are welcome. That includes Zorgon's and Lear's... and Henry Deacon regardless what name he is choosing to mask behind. What's in a name anyway.

Hi Kerry,

It's good to hear from you and Bill about this controversy.
I agree that this has sidetracked our attention momentarily from more pertinent issues, but I feel like I must continue a little further in the Simon/Deacon issues as it seems that they are somehow related.

I'm confused as HD has stated that:

To some of us, It has appeared (i.e. illusion) that unusual/secret/deceptive manipulation has been on-going here

And now you and HD himself seem to agree/admit that HD has been "sock puppeting" under various different member names.

I think for the sake of transparency that we all expect here, we need to know these aliases in full. The vagueness is not helping anything. From what I can see "Bleep" seems to have been a HD sock puppet, although of course I have no way of knowing that. "Bleep" imo has been very subversive and disruptive, so I'm pretty confused here.

If HD admits himself to using these sock puppets, I for one would like to know why and which names were used, as imo that is the definition of secret deceptive manipulation.

AMA-GI

11-01-2008, 10:58 AM

I pondered writing anything here, But after some time i thought the only thing i should write, would be this, as we all here are family.

A family is a place where minds come in contact with one another. If these minds love one another the home will be as beautiful as a flower garden. But if these minds get out of harmony with one another it is like a storm that plays havoc with the garden.

Kerry Cassidy

11-01-2008, 01:24 PM

That's curious. I know the mods are telling the truth about there being no secret activity beyond the normal mod housekeeping duties.

So if it's not them doing the deleting, then this will have to be looked into.

Hi there,

The only solution to this is that we need to find a security expert for the Forum.. SO PLEASE CONTACT US IF YOU ARE ONE..

That's all and the only solution....other than using magick to surround the forum with light and positive vibes....which we can also do.. all are welcome to do so.

So what's there to discuss?

Deleted threads are just part of the life of being in a world of secrecy with intel ops going on constantly. You will never solve that problem until we enter the 5th dimension....so don't bother loosing sleep over it...If "confidence is eroded" then it goes for the whole internet and world of surveillance we are living in and hello welcome to the world.

WE ARE CAMELOT AND AVALON do you sincerely think our stuff isn't gong to be hacked and messed with right and left?

get real

Kerry
Co-Founder
Project Camelot/Project Avalon

Bill Ryan

11-01-2008, 02:19 PM

Zorgon/Ron:

As soon as John left the forum, Kerry phoned him personally and left a message. He never called back. (Maybe he never received it?)

Kerry and I will be in Las Vegas for the Crash Retrieval Conference this next weekend. Will you both join us for dinner? It would be our pleasure.

There's been such a proliferation of non-malevolent misunderstandings that we all need to get together and chat. By comparing notes, we may all discover more.

Collaboration and open communication is what we stand for. Our way is to talk to everyone... and to encourage and support everyone to talk to one another.

Very best wishes, Bill

norman

11-01-2008, 02:34 PM

So what's there to discuss?

Deleted threads are just part of the life of being in a world of secrecy with intel ops going on constantly. You will never solve that problem until we enter the 5th dimension....
Kerry
Co-Founder
Project Camelot/Project Avalon

What's to discuss indeed. I find that remark painfully revealing. KC co-founder has a VERY rigid 'bias'. It might take jet-lag and exasperation to reveal it but it's obviously there.

" The 5th dimension is coming ", and that's a fact folks. Really?

So what are we preparing for? Are short wave radios, cash-to-gold conversions, strategic relocations, pre-60s diesel vehicles etc all a preparation for the 5th dimension!? That sounds like preparation for a very tight squeeze through to a continuation of the 3rd dimension.

I wrote a post on another thread a couple of weeks ago. I don't many people read it so I'll include it here and hope that KC and BR read it. I sincerely meant every word of it:

I'd like to ask Michael St Clair why he's so elitist in his outlook on the rest of humanity. In some ways, he seems to be straight out of the 'ILLUMINATI' mould. I think I even heard him say something like we need 'thinning out a bit'.

A question I'd like to ask most of the whistle blowers and the well established 'researchers' is: If this DOOM thing escalates and accelerates and the general population is still 'asleep', would you 'change heart' and use your 'connections' to run for cover with the very people you currently tell us are the 'bad' people.

I ask this because I find that here in the UK we have a 'system' that seems to revolve around the Royal family. Whenever someone, from whatever background, manages to make a 'name' for themselves and gain some considerable influence, e.g. Paul McCartney, Bob Geldoff, Mick Jagger, Elton John, Lord Carlile and the rest, they get 'nobbled' by the Royal honours system. It doesn't matter how rebellious, badly behaved with drug habits and promiscuity, within a few decades they still get honoured and find themselves 'inside' the tent batting for the Royal household. That's the part of the Royal system that even David Icke doesn't say much about. That's not 'bloodline' that's HONOUR and Hollywood has built an honour system just like it too.

I'm really 'buzzed' that Camelot's Kerry and Bill are working the world finding and talking to all these people. I devour every interview. Kerry has a great knack for it that's at least as good as the best mainstream chat hosts. The fact that I'm really more confused now than I was 2 years ago, just slips by under the radar. Who cares, it's a gripping tale and some of it must be true, mustn't it?

Paul Simon wrote a lyric that went " another generation throws a hero up the pop charts ". Camelot may be trying to do many things but one thing it's doing is creating a 'roster' of 'stars'. I've been here before. We all have, and we all know where it goes next. That's not necessarily a problem. Just as long as it doesn't get stuck in 'HELLO' Magazine mode for too long.

I think Bill and Kerry, as 'manifestation' minded as they are , will surely agree that we are all in a very very precarious situation in this world right now. Bill and Kerry are really very balanced between the two polarities, often argued on this forum, that trouble us so much collectively. They do great stuff with 'who' they are but if we 'bow down before our leaders' in this situation, we'll do them a great diss service. They need all of us right up their arses, all of the time, keeping this thing FULLY balanced because it's bigger than all of us.

Oh, another question. Ask Dan Burisch what exactly his definition of patriotism is? It would make a change from asking what is his favourite question.

norman. (:welcomeani:)

Peer

11-01-2008, 02:40 PM

Being a moderator and admin on our own forum and hanging around forumland for several years now I have learned one thing:

YOU SHOULD NEVER BRING THE SJIT FROM ONE FORUM TO THE OTHER.

The people that do so on my own forum are supposed to do their fighting in a seperate room (we have several backrooms for that purpose) but never in front.

I state again:
LEAVE THE SJIT WHERE IT IS INSTEAD OF BRINGING OVER HERE WHERE IT CAN ONLY SPOIL THE ATMOSPHERE

Peer

Suriel

11-01-2008, 03:40 PM

There is too much focus on personal agendas.
He said she said. Requiring this and wanting that.
You need to ask yourself, "Why are you here?"

We are all drawn here for a reason.
Maybe it is the energy that we all feel.
Maybe it is that connection that we seek or have found.
There are many perspectives and camera angles on the big picture.
But the truth is there is only one story.
The evolution of your Soul.

Many Humans are lost and need guidance.
But your mind gets in the way. Your heart is trying to speak now,
but your words cannot be precise.
Energy has many vibrations, sometimes it is easier to just be.
Allow your consciousness decide what is real and not real.

Conspiracies do not give you solutions.
They only distract you.
To survive as a race we need to be more mature and take responsibilities for our actions.
You are a part of this puzzle.
Connect and contribute yourself to the higher cause.
If you have concerns about the forum, contact the administrator.
And get on with your research.

It is good to have knowledge and think or know you are intelligent.
However, it is the application of this knowledge that determines your wisdom.

Myplanet2

11-01-2008, 05:45 PM

Hi there,

The only solution to this is that we need to find a security expert for the Forum.. SO PLEASE CONTACT US IF YOU ARE ONE..

That's all and the only solution....other than using magick to surround the forum with light and positive vibes....which we can also do.. all are welcome to do so.

So what's there to discuss?

Deleted threads are just part of the life of being in a world of secrecy with intel ops going on constantly. You will never solve that problem until we enter the 5th dimension....so don't bother loosing sleep over it...If "confidence is eroded" then it goes for the whole internet and world of surveillance we are living in and hello welcome to the world.

WE ARE CAMELOT AND AVALON do you sincerely think our stuff isn't gong to be hacked and messed with right and left?

get real

Kerry
Co-Founder
Project Camelot/Project Avalon

Hi Kerry.

My point wasn't that there is nothing secretly going on here which has as yet escaped detection. I don't believe there is, but I really have no way of knowing.

My point was that if there is something like a secret, invisible deletion of thread/posts, that it isn't the mods doing it.

I've seen them come under suspicion and unfairly so.

Being a researcher/data miner gives me some limited access to mod working areas where I can see them sincerely going about the business of making a gem out of Project Avalon.

I think they do brilliantly in trying circumstances, and they have my admiration.

Increased security could work, as could just having a deliberately open and transparent forum where no one has anything to hide. (not saying this isn't already the case. just stating a counterpoint to increased security)

There is no security I'm aware of which is total, and it can become a game of one upmanship between security and hackers until the forum becomes unusable.

moonwalker22

11-01-2008, 09:08 PM

Be very cautious in dealing with godlikeproductions. If you ever want to see an example of an un-moderated chaotic mess of a forum - that's the place to go. My brief experince reading on that forum a few years ago was like entering the mind of a scizophrenic. The most interesting threads wandered off into oblivion and a riot of differing opinions, deliberate sabotage, and mental noise, and lunacy. Be very grateful that the mods on this forum are willing to do the work required to keep it on track and meaningful.

Kate

11-01-2008, 09:35 PM

QUOTE
Be very grateful that the mods on this forum are willing to do the work required to keep it on track and meaningful. QUOTE

__________________________________________________ _

:thumb_yello: support and undersatnding is appreciated moonwalker!

We DO work very hard behind the scenes, and our integrity as individual truthseekers and as team players in service to members on this forum is enourmous.....

I would just like to clarify peoples general concerns about 'lost' threads....

Admin has gone through the Moderator logs for the last 3 days to get to the bottom of this issue regarding missing posts....

The logs show that a moderator has been merging quite a few threads. Now, the standard practice that the Mods have been using in this situation is to PM the OP of each original thread to inform them that their thread is being merged with another, and the location/title of the new thread.

However, it would be a logistical nightmare[along with the time involved] for the Mod responsible in merging the threads to PM every single poster in the threads concerned.

A perfect example was the recent[incorrect] report of a US warplance being brought down in Iran. Four threads sprange up in various parts of the forum, each with a substantial amount of posts. All four threads were merged & the OP PM'd, however, members involved in the threads STILL insisted that their thread/post had been deleted till the '3 click process' to find their posts was explained:

3 Click Process

* Click #1: Member goes to their OWN Bio page
* Click #2: Member clicks on 'show all statistics'
* Click #3: Member clicks on 'find all posts'

Hopefully this will explain the recent cries of 'why has my post/thread been deleted?' queries

As Bill publicly stated earlier, Simon DID remove his own thread..and as a result individual posts of great value were lost. THIS WAS A TERRIBLE MISTAKE! I was personally gutted to find this out, as I DID react harshly to the OP of this thread in 'reaction' to what I thought was yet another 'mod bashing ' opportunity.... I apologise now for being wrong on that particular factor.

I hope that from this point forth, we can all start to build bridges again in Avalon and pull together in one big UNITED way!!

peace and light to all
kate

stal

11-01-2008, 09:45 PM

so it would be ok for me to make half a dozen multi accounts to back myself up whenever i post something? cool :original:

edit to add - that was a bad joke sry. i fully support the mods/admins. takes some effort to look after a site like this.

zorgon

11-02-2008, 05:46 AM

Zorgon/Ron:

As soon as John left the forum, Kerry phoned him personally and left a message. He never called back. (Maybe he never received it?)

It is possible he never got it... as he says he was waiting to hear from you...

Kerry and I will be in Las Vegas for the Crash Retrieval Conference this next weekend. Will you both join us for dinner? It would be our pleasure.

That would be THIS one?
2008 UFO Crash Retrieval Conference Nov 7 - 9 2008

Well SEMA tears out Fri 7th at 5pm so I cannot get away then, but Sat 8th after 5pm or Sunday the 9th (or later) is possible...

I just called John and he said he is up for it "If I'm still alive"... :wink2:

What he means by that is he is still on heavy medication from the five day spinal cord surgery he just went through.... He is recovering but still has great pain in arms and shoulders... but he said "let me know when and where and he will be there

There's been such a proliferation of non-malevolent misunderstandings that we all need to get together and chat. By comparing notes, we may all discover more.

Sounds good to me.... :thumb_yello: The truth was after all what brought me here in the first place...

Collaboration and open communication is what we stand for. Our way is to talk to everyone... and to encourage and support everyone to talk to one another.

Open communication is great to keep a group strong and healthy...
"Collaboration" leads to trouble... :tongue2: