How Do You Feel About This Forum? (Avalon)

[Suriel]

I sense that the vibe of Avalon is getting low.
I am concerned.
But, I could be wrong and
that is where you come in.
I believe that communication is the key
and maybe we can get to the source of the issues.
Feel free to express any concerns that you
may have about this Forum.
How can we make Avalon a better
experience for you?

Also, don't forget to participate
in the Poll. We need to know how you
feel about this forum.

This thread was created not to cause debates
but to get answers on how you are feeling about Avalon
and what your goals are in being here.
And if those goals are being fulfilled.

If the Forum turns out to be doing well,
then that is good news.

Thanks,
Kevin - Project Avalon Spiritual Mediator

[Artycarl]

This will be an interesting poll but personally I would like to see a choice between 'satisfactory' and 'stinking'.

Isn't it always the way...you give someone a choice and they wants more lol.

At the moment there lacks any real direction. Its a mass of too many different things from the highly spiritual to the completely mundane.

Whether true or not, it feels like Camelot is yesterdays forum and Avalon is todays so I rarely visit Camelot any more.

I was dismayed to read criticism about Avalon on another forum for being too 'doom and gloom', but these are difficult times and jollying up the forum just for the sake of it would be wrong too.

I would like to see more concerted efforts in getting people to meet each other outside of the forum and to compare notes. I know it has happened but it could be promoted more.

It would be nice if a moderator, acting as a kind of agent of Bill and Kerrys, could get involved too maybe with some helpful guidance from them to help get things going.

[alternative-answer]

I sense that the vibe of Avalon is getting low.
I am concerned.
I believe that communication is the key
and maybe we can get to the source of the issues.
Feel free to express any concerns that you
may have about this Forum.
How can we make Avalon a better
experience for you?

Also, don't forget to participate
in the Poll. We need to know how you
feel about this forum.

This thread was created not to cause debates
but to get answers on how you are feeling about Avalon
and what your goals are in being here.
And if those goals are being fulfilled.

If the Forum turns out to be doing well,
then that is good news.

Thanks,
Kevin - Project Avalon Spiritual Mediator

My goal, to pass on as much knowledge that is coming through me to as many people who will listen, I dont have all the answers or the right answers, I use discerment and wisdom to impart my knowledge and hope people feel inspired and empowered.

[Shadowstalker]

I sense that the vibe of Avalon is getting low.
I am concerned.
I believe that communication is the key
and maybe we can get to the source of the issues.
Feel free to express any concerns that you
may have about this Forum.
How can we make Avalon a better
experience for you?

Also, don't forget to participate
in the Poll. We need to know how you
feel about this forum.

This thread was created not to cause debates
but to get answers on how you are feeling about Avalon
and what your goals are in being here.
And if those goals are being fulfilled.

If the Forum turns out to be doing well,
then that is good news.

Thanks,
Kevin - Project Avalon Spiritual Mediator

The novelty has warn down thats all, when something new comes into play people get excited. But after a while thing even out and things work the way it is meant to be.. But still its better then most other forums like this.:thumb_yello:

[2infinityandbeyond]

The forum is currently undergoing a massive inlflux of 'disinformation agents' lately. Ive noticed this happening over the past month or two.

These guys use a variety of tactics all over the internet but in Avalon they make sure to give off a 'friendly' vibe, so as not to arouse any suspicion. In fact, many of them will be quite popular as they are familiour with the traits that make a person appear 'cool' to others.

I wont name any names, because i may be wrong and that wouldnt be good for anyone involved. But i know one thing, im 100% sure that they are here and they are working their evil little ways to sneakily control how some of the information presented here is portrayed.

They will use 'freedom of speach' at their disposal, and will have no problem doing their 'work' within the confines of this communities rules and regulations.

A smart wolf will always dress like a sheep.

So if anyone is wondering why the vibe has gone down it is because of this infestation. Remember the first few weeks of avalon? You could practically taste the positive atmosphere, simply because it was full of genuine positive people. The 'agents' could not function in such a minority, they dont usually present themselves until they have the cameflauge of numbers, and avalon has a nice number of regular posters lately.

[Suriel]

Thank you members. Keep it coming. This will help the Mod team and
administration know how you are feeling. We want your stay
at Avalon to be a rewarding experience.

[alternative-answer]

The forum is currently undergoing a massive inlflux of 'disinformation agents' lately. Ive noticed this happening over the past month or two.

These guys use a variety of tactics all over the internet but in Avalon they make sure to give off a 'friendly' vibe, so as not to arouse any suspicion. In fact, many of them will be quite popular as they are familiour with the traits that make a person appear 'cool' to others.

I wont name any names, because i may be wrong and that wouldnt be good for anyone involved. But i know one thing, im 100% sure that they are here and they are working their evil little ways to sneakily control how some of the information presented here is portrayed.

They will use 'freedom of speach' at their disposal, and will have no problem doing their 'work' within the confines of this communities rules and regulations.

A smart wolf will always dress like a sheep.

So if anyone is wondering why the vibe has gone down it is because of this infestation. Remember the first few weeks of avalon? You could practically taste the positive atmosphere, simply because it was full of genuine positive people. The 'agents' could not function in such a minority, they dont usually present themselves until they have the cameflauge of numbers, and avalon has a nice number of regular posters lately.

What's the basis for this, where's your evidence?

[alternative-answer]

This is fantastic.
http://warofillusions.wordpress.com/2008/10/31/how-the-illuminati-try-to-keep-their-power-and-control-the-public-using-its-gonna-happen-its-gonna-happen-tricknology-hypnosis/

[fastarr]

I only come to find interesting information and rarely partake in discussions.

I feel that there are members who genuinely care about where the world is going and would like to see things get better.

And then there are those who want nothing more than to discredit ideas and/or beliefs. Also, I feel that there are a few "boys who cry wolves", or however one would describe them, that enjoy posting fictional stories just to laugh, behind the scenes, at the response they get.

Criticism is not an attractive force and I feel that has repelled many intelligent ideas.

And there are those that take this stuff way too seriously, and preach that we're all going to hell. Saying it plainly.

My stand is everything in moderation. The world will never be a perfect place. It was never meant to be. If it were then we wouldn't be born with needs, i.e. food and shelter. There will always be war over who has what (material objects, information, etc.). There will always be competition amongst the people of the world. So many have the need to better than someone else.

It becomes extremely difficult to enjoy the life you are living when you are focusing on things of which you have no control. You can only control how you feel and respond to the things around you.

The truth is we as humans will never have the whole story. There are an infinite amount of perspectives to every story and it is impossible for someone to understand anothers point of view completely.

[Elephant Man]

The forum is currently undergoing a massive inlflux of 'disinformation agents' lately. Ive noticed this happening over the past month or two.

These guys use a variety of tactics all over the internet but in Avalon they make sure to give off a 'friendly' vibe, so as not to arouse any suspicion. In fact, many of them will be quite popular as they are familiour with the traits that make a person appear 'cool' to others.

I wont name any names, because i may be wrong and that wouldnt be good for anyone involved. But i know one thing, im 100% sure that they are here and they are working their evil little ways to sneakily control how some of the information presented here is portrayed.

They will use 'freedom of speach' at their disposal, and will have no problem doing their 'work' within the confines of this communities rules and regulations.

A smart wolf will always dress like a sheep.

So if anyone is wondering why the vibe has gone down it is because of this infestation. Remember the first few weeks of avalon? You could practically taste the positive atmosphere, simply because it was full of genuine positive people. The 'agents' could not function in such a minority, they dont usually present themselves until they have the cameflauge of numbers, and avalon has a nice number of regular posters lately.

Agreed. This saves me a lot of writing :original: but will add that I personally cannot see why all the political threads are here. this was never meant to be a political forum, but it seems as though "free speech" means anything can be posted and accepted. I am generally against censorship, but really dont feel that politics belong here, we might as well start discussing sport. Now I am aware that people will say that politics affects the world situation etc... but what was the true purpose of Avalon? To unite in finding our way forward or something along those lines. Obama/mccain bashing does not fit in here and the continual negative political threads ar nothing but intentional trouble making. You wanna plug a politician or bash a politician? go elsewhere!

other than that little beef, rock on :thumb_yello:

Peace

[Topper]

AA, check out the thread, America's greatest fear not yet realized. I would like your take on it.

[Allie]

To be honest, I find posts regarding 'disinfo-agents' extremely off-putting. I honestly don't think this type of accusation is helpful to anyone - it just becomes even more of the same confusion and mistrust that is already quite rampant in our world.If anyone has such suspicions and believes he or she knows who, when, what and why, and can back it up with some evidence rather than their interpretation of 'dis-info' agent, and if they feel they can't put it out in the open, they surely have a duty to report it to the owners/moderators of this site? If being friendly is one of the prime reasons to suspect a 'dis-info' agent then heaven help us all. What is the optimum behaviour / attitude to aim for?

[Shadowstalker]

To be honest, I find posts regarding 'disinfo-agents' extremely off-putting. I honestly don't think this type of accusation is helpful to anyone - it just becomes even more of the same confusion and mistrust that is already quite rampant in our world.If anyone has such suspicions and believes he or she knows who, when, what and why, and can back it up with some evidence rather than their interpretation of 'dis-info' agent, and if they feel they can't put it out in the open, they surely have a duty to report it to the owners/moderators of this site? If being friendly is one of the prime reasons to suspect a 'dis-info' agent then heaven help us all. What is the optimum behaviour / attitude to aim for?

Agreed

[Artycarl]

I agree with your post Allie to a certain extent but I believe there are those among us whose sole mission is to disrupt and bring disharmony. Every forum has them.

[Seeker Mom]

I enjoy this forum and am very thankful for it. I feel that it opened at an unfortunate time because of the economic situation and the American election. I joined here as a diversion from politics, but have found myself responding to the political threads despite my constant promises to myself that I wouldn't post in them. :zip:

I don't know about the rest of the Americans here, but this election has me in a funk. I'm not myself right now. I'm pretty stressed out by the direction my country may be going, a direction I don't feel is the right one, so now isn't a good time for me. I've tried to read only the threads that don't concern politics but it's on my mind just the same.

I'm pretty sure things will settle down in a few weeks and the tension won't be quite as high with some of us.

[Allie]

And I don't disagree with you - there are negative people in all walks of life who gain some kind of satisfaction from making waves. Personally, I'm not altogether convinced that's a soul mission - just an unhappy, negative person. I've lived long enough to meet a few.

But - what you say Artycarl kind of supports my view that it is down to an individual's interpretation of what a 'dis-info' agent may be. Let's perhaps be clear about that before we decide it's someone who seems to be friendly.

What exists on here are a collection of views. To some those views will appear to resonate, to others they will do the opposite. The comments will therefore reflect the myriad views. Why does that have to be 'dis-info'????

It wouldn't be fair of me to take this one issue and change the general direction that the moderators are aiming for, so I won't waffle on.

[Waterman]

There are some statements that I disagree with that have been posted about this topic.

I believe there is a gap in realizing the relevance about politics by those that are not from the states. Although, political processes in the states are stolen, we are still passionately connected to the political process. For example to not speak of politics means to not talk about Gary McKinnon.

The united states waited till the extradition law existed before they started to bring him here. That is call "Ex Post Facto" a prohibition by our Constitution. In America, politics has historically been participatory. It is politics that is hiding the UFOs. It is politics that is hiding free energy. It is politics that is taking the worlds freedoms away. It is politics that is trying take the internet down. It is through politics that the robber barons steal from us all. It is unfortunately politics ad nauseum in an election year.

We then must remember this forum started very near the election process peaking in the states. The political statements of those in this forum are a natural manifestation of what is transpiring in the lives of Americans at this moment. AND the repercussions are going to be felt over the entire world. Whether "Americans" really do make the difference via voting is not what I'm talking about. The point is that it is a presidential election this year and the forum was started right before elections and that is on the minds of the people in the states, and the world for that matter.

In the meantime there are many different approaches to problems and everyone thinks their approach is worth voicing. New age thinkers say the answer to the problem is manifesting ones destiny. Others say we must not speak of evil that is fearmongering. A political activist is going to say the answer is changing the policies . An activist is going to say it is full disclosure.

All these type of people are on this forum persuading others to believe them. Yet it is important we realize that all these type of people exist and it is what it is. There will eventually be groupings in the forum and they will manifest what they want to do regardless of what the other groups want.

The bottom line will be how Bill and Kerry massage the forum to fit the goals they want to accomplish.

One of the massage techniques may be to make it subscriber based. That will IMHO remove those that see it as an adjunct activity. In the meantime nformation is being posted in Camelot freely.

Certainly the main goal, meeting up with like minded and preparing, is going to at least cost folks some gas money. And if there isn't enough interest they just won't spend that money. If they were to go subscription based, the tone of the forum would actually become more focussed. It is my opinion that charging is one way of putting the responsibility of "connecting with other like minded" in the hands of those willing to pay for it.

Thanks for asking.

[Antaletriangle]

It's all a matter of balance in my opinion-i think to try and stay bouyant whilst being objective i feel people on here balance each other out; -i don't post much on the spiritual side but i do read alot of it-i post on ufology/news/what does it mean etc. and anything that i feel needs to be read (not necessarily believed and taken as 'gospel') but understood with an open mind.People shouldn't just jump straight out of their clothes and attack a posting when it's there to be read; hopefully it encourages other research and expansion of information to be posted back.I do find in instances that some people who've negatively vibed some postings have hardly posted themselves;i do find this to be a little annoying when they aren't sticking their necks out themselves but very eager to attack someone who has!!.Apart from that -balance-read from both sides, camelot and avalon and do your own research in between and try and look for alternative news sites etc.There's no competition on here;it's about freely given information that is mostly suppressed in mainstream and sharing it as much as learning from info.that everyone posts,differentiate don't attack.

[2infinityandbeyond]

Agreed. This saves me a lot of writing :original: but will add that I personally cannot see why all the political threads are here. this was never meant to be a political forum, but it seems as though "free speech" means anything can be posted and accepted. I am generally against censorship, but really dont feel that politics belong here, we might as well start discussing sport. Now I am aware that people will say that politics affects the world situation etc... but what was the true purpose of Avalon? To unite in finding our way forward or something along those lines. Obama/mccain bashing does not fit in here and the continual negative political threads ar nothing but intentional trouble making. You wanna plug a politician or bash a politician? go elsewhere!

other than that little beef, rock on :thumb_yello:

Peace


Exactly!

We all know what religious and political discussions do, the divide us right down the middle. And its not just that, i see a lot of bashing going on. It happens on different levels, and sometimes it doesnt seem that conspicious at first but the end results can be very destructive.

To the guy who asked me wheres my evidence, im only giving you my observation of the forum. The evidence is everywhere if you look, and besides i dont wish to start naming names or singling out threads because that would just cause trouble.

[Dadrious]

"When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love has always won. There have been tyrants and murderers and for a time they seem invincible but in the end, they always fall -- think of it, ALWAYS." - Gandhi

[Brinty]

Wow! Gosh! I go along with most of the replies. I get the feeling that now that the initial excitement has worn off, the forum seems to have lost its way amongst the plethora of "you're wrong and I'm right" postings.

A bit like a boy-meets-girl situation. At first they can't keep their hands off each other. At this stage, passion is like a blazing fire that no amount of water could extiguish. As this passion dies down, the fire will either go out, or it will settle down to a nice warm glow of embers.

Like some relationships, the Avalon forum will have its ups and downs but these will eventually get sorted out as we all get to understand each other better. So don't let yourself get diverted from the aim of Avalon, let's all work towards tolerance for the opinion of others - provided that opinion is not contrary to the positive direction we are all striving for.

The observation was made many years ago that Rome wasn't built up in a day, but it was burnt down in one. Remember, you had to be able to walk before you could run and before walking, you first had to learn to crawl. How old is this forum? Give it a chance to prove itself. :thumb_yello:

[Antaletriangle]

Exactly!

We all know what religious and political discussions do, the divide us right down the middle. And its not just that, i see a lot of bashing going on. It happens on different levels, and sometimes it doesnt seem that conspicious at first but the end results can be very destructive.

To the guy who asked me wheres my evidence, im only giving you my observation of the forum. The evidence is everywhere if you look, and besides i dont wish to start naming names or singling out threads because that would just cause trouble.

I agree entirely-when posts are made sometimes i feel a sense of "is someone going to have another dig at this one now!!" type of feeling and i/we shouldn't feel like this (as we don't have to search and give info. we find-it's freely given)-members should be a little more constructive with comment rather than downright rude with nothing to back themselves up;this forum is supposed to be about enlightenment not base behaviour-i think enlightenment is mostly encouraged here but there are always the 'know alls' who don't post much but attack vehemently when someone else sticks their necks out.I've made a few comments on this when i've witnessed 'attacks' on unsuspecting posters that are just providing info. from their angle.If there are disagreements which there always will be (human nature) then i think it's better to discuss politely and intelligently; always provide encouragement to the poster whilst maintaining/providing your own opinions and researches on the matter at hand-dead easy but too difficult for some it appears.Anyhow my rant for the day!LOL.
Keep posting everyone and be beautiful.

[Antaletriangle]

I like your angles Brinty!!Lol !!comparing it to a sex session that develops into a loving relationship.I'd like to have a beer with you sometime jack!lol.

[Humble Janitor]

Could be better. Not enough balance in certain areas. Too much negativity in Off-Topic.

[Humble Janitor]

Agreed. This saves me a lot of writing :original: but will add that I personally cannot see why all the political threads are here. this was never meant to be a political forum, but it seems as though "free speech" means anything can be posted and accepted. I am generally against censorship, but really dont feel that politics belong here, we might as well start discussing sport. Now I am aware that people will say that politics affects the world situation etc... but what was the true purpose of Avalon? To unite in finding our way forward or something along those lines. Obama/mccain bashing does not fit in here and the continual negative political threads ar nothing but intentional trouble making. You wanna plug a politician or bash a politician? go elsewhere!

other than that little beef, rock on :thumb_yello:

Peace

Agree with you on the political threads. There are too many of them here and certain users do nothing but post them without contributing much else.

[Allie]

I'm a girl, 2infintiy.:original:

Where is the evidence? I say this in a tone of respectfulness.

Is it a view you have of the characteristics of a dis-info 'agent'? I may be wrong, but I'm honestly not sure this is reliable.

It just didn't gel with me that the evidence you appeared to cite was 'being friendly' , 'popular', 'freedom of speech', 'infestation'. Sure, I'd agree those can be 'tactics' - but they might equally mean a genuinely friendly, popular person who supports freedom of speech.:original:

[pineal-pilot-in merkabah]

this forum is meant to be about how to form groups and help each other. i think there could be less cross posting. i think there is too much BS on here. this is meant to be about preparing physically and spiritually. i think we could cut down on the multiple threads of then same stuff, tighten it up a bit.. especially the ground crew forum .. it should be here to inform people of events that may or may not lead to futhter happenings. warnings,politics is not needed. ie zeitgeist pie in the sky horse ****

[2infinityandbeyond]

I'm a girl, 2infintiy.:original:

Where is the evidence? I say this in a tone of respectfulness.

Is it a view you have of the characteristics of a dis-info 'agent'? I may be wrong, but I'm honestly not sure this is reliable.

It just didn't gel with me that the evidence you appeared to cite was 'being friendly' , 'popular', 'freedom of speech', 'infestation'. Sure, I'd agree those can be 'tactics' - but they might equally mean a genuinely friendly, popular person who supports freedom of speech.:original:

Hey allie, hows bein a girl goin for ya? always wanted to be one for a day.

Well allie, i was making an observation. It wasnt a call to get everyone all paranoid, just stating that ive noticed quite a few people here who on the surface seem very cool people but over time, viewing their posts ive noticed a pattern of behaviour towords certain subjects that makes me feel somewhat suspicious.

I dont want to provide evidence of any kind, that would cause trouble because i could be wrong about certain observations. I was asked how i felt about the forum and thought id explain why i felt this way. Those traits i explained were just some of the things that aroused my supicion, i dont normally make my opinions so lightly.

[Humble Janitor]

A lot of off-topic threads are moved to Project Camelot and as a result, this place doesn't seem to be TOO crowded with such stuff.

[777 The Great Work]

This forum is perfect, whole and complete
Everything flows, out and in; everything has its tides; all things rise and fall; the pendulum-swing manifests in everything; the measure of the swing to the right is the measure of the swing to the left; rhythm compensates

Everything is Dual; everything has poles; everything has its pair of opposites like and unlike are the same; opposites are identical in nature, but different in degree; extremes meet; all truths are but half-truths; all paradoxes may be reconciled.
By Correspondence :welcomeani:


All natural effects are from spiritual causes. All is spirit

[371]

Just an observation:
I think some people might be crying 'disinfo' when someone just doesn't agree with some of our 'common' beliefs.

Like someone who say... has no problem with a one world government? Then they post links and give reasons why they think it's not so bad. That's not disinfo, its a differing opinion. There's nothing wrong with that, I can't say I agree on that specific issue but I'm just using it as an example.

It's like the saying goes: "If two guys agree on everything, you can know that one of them is doing the thinking".

[Alexandra]

Kevin,
It is my understanding, correct me , please, if I am wrong, that Project Avalon was created only to find safe places for people to live and resources and sites to be offered towards building safe communities. All other topics were to be left in Project Camelot forum. Perhaps, and this is only a suggestion, if all other categories were placed back in Camelot this would help.

:original:Alexandra

[khristmaskathy]

I am one who really loves Project Avalon. I have visited other sites, but this is by far the best one! Most everybody is kind and one gets the feeling of belonging, so to speak. I enjoy hearing a variety of opinions , even if I don't agree, I still care what others think. The political threads do not bother me at all; we are about to experience an election for goodness sake. It's on the minds of everyone so it should be okay to express feelings about what is going on! Keep up the great work, Project Avalon, and thanks to everyone who posts! I have been a member since October 5th but it seems longer, because I am really comfortable on this forum.:original:

[Worlds Beyond]

Hmmm. how to respond without causing any upset ....

well, as a new person around here, but having read the threads for some few weeks now, I have mixed views...

Firstly, I was thrilled to find Avalon a few weeks ago, and find a lot of things on here very interesting..

I also have a whole pile of personal experiences/ 'phenomena' that I thought I would at some time like to share with others on here... but having never discussed these things in public before, that is quite a BIG step for me! But I felt encouraged when I found this place that Avalon was the place to chat about what's been happening to me recent years.

However.. I must say that I've been really taken aback sometimes by the level/tone of quite a few posts.. the comments made and the tone of some postings... (and, I'm sorry and reluctant to say, the seeming lack of moderation when such things occur).

It has made me wonder whether to stay and share my experiences and learn form others... or run for the exit door at times!

To me personally, it seems as if what started out as potentially an amazing space for people to come together, learn and teach each other, and grow and join together, has become infested to some degree with some very vociferous EGO maniacs, also quite a lot of what appears (to me anyway) to be some kind of intellectual / spiritual point-scoring or one-upmanship, a fair smattering of superiority-complexes, quite a bit of ridiculing others, not to mention one whole heap of JUDGEMENTALISM going on here at times....

It is such a shame to see it happening..

I thought I had finally found somewhere I could safely chat with people, share my very personal experiences of things spiritual/beyond this world.. gain some insights / new learnings / support and also give those same things in return to others...

But I have to say.. having seen the way quite a few threads get started ( innocently) and end up with a large smattering of vitriol, judging and condescending to others, I have thought twice about posting in here at all!

I only hope and pray that all this Ego stuff, the point-scoring, personal attacks and gripes, people who feel they are "superior" in some way to others, aggression, the nit-picking and so on, sorts itself out.. and soon .. so this valuable forum can truly become a safe and sharing place for all who seek further understanding / enlightenment / knowledge / wisdom.


If we can't chat/debate in a spirit of peace and light in this forum, God help us outside of here in the 'real' world.... let alone the world beyond this one!! :mfr_omg:

[Malletzky]

Should we be honest? Well then, both PC and PA forum is a wonderful place where a human (or a wanderer, or whatever :thumb_yello:) could learn his "missing" lessons. And we have so much to learn :wall::mad3::mfr_lol:.

No one here have the completely picture of what is happening to us. And therefore, I'm very proud to be around, as mostly, the members here are really nice and give their wisdom and knowledge to another.
Each one participate with their own thruth, and this is how we're gonna learn the WHOLE that IS!!!

But....

...as I allready mentioned in one of my previous posts
( check that here: http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?p=60557#post6055 ),

I have a feeling that there a few members here, who try to divide...

Trying to look "cool" and stating the own point of view as the ultimate truth is just leading to displeasure by others.

There are so many good threads around with realy good issues, which deserve to be discussed more then ever. But there are obvious some "big guns" around here which, if they don't like the subject (could be for many reasons), they just don't participate. If they don't participate, so other "friends" also don't. Or they post their ulimate thruts out there and there you have it, the thread "dies".

The displeasure could lead to resignation and members will go away to other forums.

Sorry for my honest words...:wub2:

[sunflower]

By the time I got around to reading this thread I found that practically everything was said and well said at that. So all I can say at this point is that I look forward to reading the threads on Avalon and if I found one I don't agree with or dislike I just leave. I really prefer to pick up pertinent info and leave discussion to others. There's nothing wrong with discussion and for those members who enjoy it go to it. Just be friendly and polite. Don't jump on someone who is genuinely offering his or her personal testimonial. Don't belittle someone else just to feel a bit more justified in your own personal beliefs. Truth is relative depending on one's point of view.

So, Kevin, yes, I do enjoy this forum and what it stands for.

[Reunite]

I am very grateful for this forum as it has manifested great friends for me already. I have met over 10 members in person so far and share an unseen connection.

I have a question for Kevin or another mod in regards to the forum interface.

I use a PC at work and everything appears to remain the same. At home I use my mac and the interface has changerd only twice on random occasions to a white background with green lettering and a completetly different layout all together. Are you trialing a new interface or am I going nuts?

:bash:

[PodWORLD]

I like the forum and I'm glad its here.

U think we need to remember that it's only a couple of months old and still working itself out. To be honest in the 'good old days' which were literally days ago there was a lot of fighting and disagreement so that's not new.

The forum was set up for reasons that wouldnt necessarily jive with the people it would first attract - Project camelot viewers - so some fracture is completely normal.

I think it's a shame that tongues werent sheathed more in regard to the 'witnesses' who helped create the interest and funds which in turn created this forum. Can't say I agree with some of them but it would be better if they were still on here I think.

As for disinfo agents I abhor this term as much as the dreadful 'sheeple'. These terms are thrown around and usually by experienced forum users which tells the story I think. Sometimes it's too easy to misunderstand a typed message and we need to chill out I think and be more forgiving too.

[Gareth]

I am very grateful for this forum as it has manifested great friends for me already. I have met over 10 members in person so far and share an unseen connection.

I have a question for Kevin or another mod in regards to the forum interface.

I use a PC at work and everything appears to remain the same. At home I use my mac and the interface has changerd only twice on random occasions to a white background with green lettering and a completetly different layout all together. Are you trialing a new interface or am I going nuts?

:bash:

The PHP script, from which this forum is written, reacts according to your browser type and operating system.

Certain functionality may or may not be available to any particular browser and may manifest itself in, what would seem to be, unusual ways such as layout.

[Reunite]

The PHP script, from which this forum is written, reacts according to your browser type and operating system.

Certain functionality may or may not be available to any particular browser and may manifest itself in, what would seem to be, unusual ways such as layout.

Thanks Gareth I will throw out my medication now

[historycircus]

This site is fantastic!

Keep it up!

[Pomguymguy]

This forum is perfect, whole and complete
Everything flows, out and in; everything has its tides; all things rise and fall; the pendulum-swing manifests in everything; the measure of the swing to the right is the measure of the swing to the left; rhythm compensates

Everything is Dual; everything has poles; everything has its pair of opposites like and unlike are the same; opposites are identical in nature, but different in degree; extremes meet; all truths are but half-truths; all paradoxes may be reconciled.
By Correspondence :welcomeani:


All natural effects are from spiritual causes. All is spirit


To be here is a privilege for me, on Bill and Kerry's 5* Forums. I got here from doing extensive research into health issues. My wife of 36 years has been dealing with a life threataning illness - so I wanted to know why there was not a 'cure' - I found answers, lots of alternative treatments that have been available for years and years- this lead me onto other cover-ups - and here we all are - all looking for the truth ? ( some maybe not so!)

We have so many people with expert knowlege in specialised area's that others are (were) totally clueless about. Many diffrent levels of being 'awake'
at many, many diffrent levels of 'Knowing"- I have not yet been able to upgrade my 'Knowing' to be able to have an OBE - many have. We all have that potential, so much work needs to be done.

There has been much Tit -for -Tat Ego Bashing going on - that is because we still have lots more to learn to get anywhere near the level we should already be at.
Don't forget we have been kept in a dumbed down state in so many area's of our lives. Lots of catching up to do, to be able to see the BIG PICTURE.
I have personally found so much very informative information here that I am sure you would not find in any other place on the net.
Maybe it would be a good idea to take a couple of days to reflect at where you are now, compared to when you first got to know about Bill and Kerry.

Some of the postings still seem rather silly, e.g. When someone makes comment about the 'Government' - So what 'Government' would that be then?
Do you mean the 'puppets' we see in the mainstream media ? - or do you mean the 'controlling forces' that prod the puppets with sharp sticks when they want them to jump ?

All the diffrence's of opinion just show how many of us are at various stages of learning who -what and why.

I just say to Bill and Kerry I am honoured and humbled by being able to be here in this moment and know that there are a few like minded souls (and not so like minded souls) bothering to pass on their knowlege, so we can all put into practice the real reason we ever came here on planet Earth at this time, and past times too.

If you are not sure what that is - then you too do not know 'everything' and need to do a bit more homework...

I am going back through some of the information I have "pulled off the Camelot/Avalon forums and it just blows me away !:mfr_omg: But my overall perspective to life on Earth, and beyond, is very diffrent to how it was just a few short months ago.
I appologise to the one's higher up the ladder of learning, but us 'lower ranks' will all get there in the end, with each others help - thanks a bunch - ALL of you

Paul R time for a :cup: :zip:

[WineHippie]

Thank you members. Keep it coming. This will help the Mod team and
administration know how you are feeling. We want your stay
at Avalon to be a rewarding experience.

i wasn't gonna complain, but since you asked....
i try to be as compassionate as i can, however
the volume of christianity posts is wearisome as
are the bash-the-candidate ones. I would be
hoping to see more real solutions and less ego gratification.

[J_rod7]

*
***
*******

Hi Kevin, and Warmest Greetings to All,

I voted choice 'B' = Satisfactory, and could be Improved. I was a little Surprised to see that this is the Majority Opinion. :shocked:

IMO, the Forum has been spread too thin, with a proliferation of Sections and Threads. This has created a 'Jungle' for anyone trying to navigate to appropriate areas of common Interests.

There is a need to gain some 'control' of this Proliferation. Consolidate various similar Threads into DEFINED Format Sections. Any further postings should then only be allowed to go into appropriate Established Sections.

In other words, No New Threads. Post in those Sections already 'Fixed' for the desired Topic. Moderators may Close sections, or Create New Sections from time-to-time, as the interests of the members may change.

My Two Cents :naughty: :original:

Peace - Out :wub2: :wink2:

*******
***
*

[arcora]

I am tired of seeing posts that I don't agree with and don't interest me. This forum needs to be about me and me only. When will all the other members learn that they are here to serve me and that when they post information that I am not interested in it makes me mad and all I need to read is information that confirms what I believe and makes me feel good about myself.

:)

[Oneworld719]

Hi Kevin,
Great question...I love it when ever anyone asks 'how do you feel' I myself have enjoyed greatly the information that is here, and as posted by others have gained so much knowledge and information. I also look through all the posts and take what is applicable and move on if not. I love the fact that this forum has such a variety of people from all over this wonderous plant. Whew, it's awesome to know I'm not alone in the never ending search. Having such varied thoughts, opinions,and beliefs helps me see we as a people are amazing. My hope for all of us here is to finally move to a unity of consciouness, a unity of humanity. To all: your insights, wisdoms and feelings are greatly appreciated by myself.
Thank You
Namasta

[alternative-answer]

AA, check out the thread, America's greatest fear not yet realized. I would like your take on it.

Will do, I'll come back to you.

[Norval]

I am still thinking about this as well, , , sooooo, unsure? :naughty:

[Jenny]

Hi,

I am the mod who moves all the election propaganda to Off Topic.
It is propaganda, not serious political stuff.:original:

Serious political stuff has a place here..imho.


and I feel this is a great forum. And it should be a free of charge forum as well.

Jenny

[raulduke]

I am tired of seeing posts that I don't agree with and don't interest me. This forum needs to be about me and me only. When will all the other members learn that they are here to serve me and that when they post information that I am not interested in it makes me mad and all I need to read is information that confirms what I believe and makes me feel good about myself.

:)

I know what you mean.

:lol3:, but seriously I do. We're here to make connections and exchange info right? Not glorify our egos......checking our "reputation counter" frequently.
I'll climb back up on my high horse now, to say that I just noticed that this even exists as an option after reading this response in the "Will you leave if the Forum becomes paid" thread, from a PA researcher w/ some thin skin I guess.

I will leave if Avalon doesn't become a paid service.

In fact, I already did.

The poll suggests that 81% of the respondents have no business
posting at Avalon, as proven by the porn tantrum thrown by
excalitber last week. Just because I left, doesn't mean I wasn't lurking.

Some suggestions for the administrations discussion

-If technically viable, Avalon remains available for all comers on a read
only basis. This way no one is denied critical information.

- paid subscribers are held to a higher standard leaving the food fight of the open forum and entering a classroom/library environment. Serious participants only. I left when I was attacked
personally for voicing my opinion. Attacking the individual rather than
the argument is inappropriate. I can find this behavior at any roadhouse bar. Mods, please see my reputation counter for documentation.

That is my opinion. You are welcome to attack it. Attacks directed at me personally will not be tolerated.

I understand the need to address personal attacks, but from what I've seen they're not extremely frequent, and much of the time members can work these spats out before the mods decide to jump in.

IMO it's worth trying to civilly address those who "attack" you, and try to get to the heart of their problem. Give them a second, third, fourth, chance.
I've learned much here from people that I respect, but still disagree w/, but only because of much dialogue.
If they remain childish and refuse to respond civilly to your questions then.........guess what.......you can ignore them........who cares what random people say about you on the internet. Honestly. If we continue to ignore the irrational posters, they will find some other outlet for their tantrums and need for attention.

And really, who checks thier "reputation counter", or even knows how to?

[gordon]

I edited my post.

[Suriel]

Thank you everyone for your participation in this thread.
The majority believe that there can be improvements.
I believe that your thoughts and feelings should be
considered.

I hope that the Mod team and admin look at this thread
very closely to see the issues that cause some
discomfort.

And those that want to leave the forum probably
have personal reasons. But overall, it looks like
Avalon is on a productive path. We just need to
make a few tweaks here and there.

I plan on leaving this poll wide-open. Please continue
to share your thoughts and feelings.

Peace,
Kevin

[Altered Species]

I think it's a great site. I was worried when the Camelot forum was closed and I'm still worried about it becoming a pay site, but I think the site is very well organized.

[gordon]

I edited my post.

[Suriel]

Hello Gordon,

Good question. I am a little concerned about some of the members leaving if Avalon becomes a paid subscription website. I hope that Bill and Kerry take this thread into consideration.

Peace,
Kevin

[gordon]

I edited my post.

[bilderburger w/cheese]

the following problems should be addressed:

- make one thread or sticky only about water, another only about food prep, etc., etc. to clear up the whole ELE/war/avian flu/whatever preparation mess that is all over the board. we need to put all the information together so that there is no more need TO discuss it again and again. consolidate it so its findable. too much time is being spent on these topics when we ought to be discussing the handbook and internal preparations.

-we have people here that are just beginning the journey of waking up and we have very advanced posters here that know almost everything. id like to think that this forum is the most advanced forum with respect to obtaining the truth. if you want to go the political route, go to the prison planet forum on the alex jones site. thats all they discuss there-- theyre spiritually devoid for the most part, and most dont believe in the alien stuff.
the icke site is okay, but again, theyre not nearly as into the george green/paradigm handbook stuff. IMO, the icke site is like the jones site with the alien knowledge. lastly, youve got the mtsar forum which primarily discusses symbolism, psychic vampirism, and society. its small, but has a group of sharp individuals who post there. lets make this site more george greenish (with some deagle influence) and cut down on everything else- thats our niche here. the wilcock followers have the divine cosmos board for the more passive 2012 approach.

the newbies need their own section to catch up with the rest of the more advanced people. debating whether mccain or obama is better and whether fluoride and vaccines are good or not simply causes board traffic. besides, we are far beyond worrying about that stuff.

lastly, the social groups arent being under-utilized.

id like to see this board become 80% spiritual-oriented and 20% physical preparation. headlines and news updates are easily found on other websites, like rense. why repost anything thats readily found?

[ghglenn]

If it has to become a paid site, some forums have a "paid-member" area that has things like a live-chat, extra content... just a thought.

[gordon]

I edited my post.

[John aka#404]

Kevin, we know that you are really BILL...please stop faking it.

Gordon,

Kevin is not Bill. I know this for a fact. I am not clear on why you would think this, as well as assume that Bill would do something against his own guidelines (see "Cloning").

-John aka#404
.

[Myplanet2]

If only Bill and Kerry could pay for real Mods...
:ban:

[shybastid]

Im going to have to agree with almost everbody.A Little of this a little of that...Mix it up..what do ya have..? A little more knowledge.
Keep the threads we already have,in an organized,consise manner.
People that have already read almost everything posted here,may just want to reference a topic that has been added too.
Added Ground Crew discussions are extremely valuable.Id like to see how other Groups in other Locations are defining their mode of operende without giving away too much security.
Do you know the difference between Paranoia and Someones out to get you?
I DO:lmfao:
Overall,Im reading the General concensus is..Dont make us pay for our own contributions,Categorize by Topic Specific without duplication,and find new ORIGINAL material to add to what is already here.
Of course, Mother Earth,Spirituality,and Peaceful Survival are a gimmee to people that wander to this site.And for that,I am truly thankful.

[gordon]

I edited my post.

[John aka#404]

Avalon NEEDS a porn sub-forum, I would 100% comein to there...

Kevin, why the hell would the members would want to PAY $$$, when they could easy enough goto other sites like ATS and Armageddon Online? There is also Wikipedia website with the same basic c.r.a.p...

If only Bill and Kerry could pay for real Mods...

Myplanet2, maybe you could "Research" for those Mods?

Gordon,

By review of your posts, my guess is you clicked on "C. This Forum Stinks - I plan on leaving".

Let's stay on topic and stop the Avalon staff badgering please. Consider this a warning.

-John
.

[Kerry Cassidy]

Kevin, we know that you are really BILL...please stop faking it.

Hey there,

No way is Kevin "Bill Ryan" if that is the "Bill" you are referring to -- Bill Ryan would never use a fake name... he stands behind everything he writes.

Kerry

[gordon]

I edited my post.

[David]

gordon, it sounds like your upset with something. Whats wrong?

[gordon]

I edited my post.

[unsynapsys]

I agree with earlier comments regarding there being too much input which does not really add anything to debate. A narrower field in which to comment would be better, with instructions to stay strictly within the confines of the topic.
When I first signed up I was a regular visitor, now I find myself going back to P. Camelot.

[freespirit]

I am happy and contented with everything !
And as for disinfo agents they can say what they want, but they can't change the reality.

freespirit

[Suriel]

Hello Everyone.

I assure all of you that I am not Bill Ryan. I do not have a british accent.
I don't like wearing hats.

I also stand behind everything that I write. And I am very honest.
My name is not fake. I am not fake.

My name is Kevin Dellinger. I am a composer, writer and artist.
I am married with 2 kids and I live in the United States.

I enjoy the paranormal and spirituality. I also enjoy being
a part of the Avalon forum, although it can be challenging at times.

Peace,
Kevin Dellinger

[She-Ra]

I'm going for option B.

The forum started off great but members quickly started over zealously self-moderating or seeing the chance to be the prefects that they perhaps missed out on at school.

I read more than I post on here and have noticed that when people post threads about the reality we live in their threads and character get ambushed with accusations, warnings and 'telling off' for being fear mongerers, negative or a bad influence. It's like members are not allowed to think for themselves or have discussions. Now fair enough, I agree that we should always try to better ourselves ethically and spiritually, 'raise our vibrations' as many say on here and endeavor to have a positive influence but for many that also means addressing the reality we live in head on rather than thinking we have to keep quiet about it lest the mention of negative things ensures they happen. Sure having a positive focus is a good thing but ignoring the negative isn't always constructive and to be treated like there isn't a choice on this forum 'for our own good' is going past good intentions. I've noticed many posters who want to address these issues have started posting disclaimers in their threads that specifically say things like 'I'm not fear mongering or being negative but...' just in case they get jumped on by the very people who are trying to spread love and light or start unnecessary friction. Conversely, calling people 'hippies' or 'new agers' is hardly helping.

This forum was apparently started to address physical issues and networking due to negative situations in the reality we live in. I think the spiritual, mental and emotional input is wonderful and provides a good balance, but instead of balance we're getting conflict because people are not showing tolerance for each other and the different approaches people have to addressing and tackling issues. As long as there isn't unethical behaviour, there needn't be so much tension amongst each other.

I also dislike that many posters are being labeled as having 'victim mentality' and 'well if you choose that or let them do that to you then it's your fault' - that's hardly encouraging is it? We live in a reality (or false reality) where we are being influences by so many things both internal and external whereby yes we do make our own decisions and have to accept the consequences, we have to try to be mature and try not to make mistake or consciously negative decisions in the first place but we are also surviving in a web of deceit and manipulation so many of us are both victims and victimisers. We have to acknowledge that and not blame the victims instead of the victimisers or entirely blame someone/thing else without evaluating ourselves. It's hard to be strong or vigilant or positive all the time, have some sympathy - we can't all empathise with each other but a little sympathy can go a long way.

We're all on this board together, so we have to learn to share it or many of us will likely get pushed away.

Just a note - I'm not against self-moderation, it just seems that there are some distinct wedges appearing and hopefully that wont turn into anything akin to pack mentality.

[norman]

.......we have people here that are just beginning the journey of waking up and we have very advanced posters here that know almost everything.......


........the newbies need their own section to catch up with the rest of the more advanced people. debating whether mccain or obama is better and whether fluoride and vaccines are good or not simply causes board traffic. besides, we are far beyond worrying about that stuff...........



AGREED ! I'd also add that I wouldn't like to be in B&K's shoes right now because this forum must be so NOT what they anticipated. Ultimately it's got to be a choice between exclusivity or heavy policing. - The problems of running things don't change much, do they?

I think I would prefer exclusivity but with an open option to view. If that means I'm excluded, ( I don't use PayPal ) then that's ok. I was quit content/thrilled! to watch PC interviews and brows Open Minds Forum until the 'debates' here got me 'hooked' and I registered here recently.

If it is decided to make this forum 50//50 'spiritual/ascension' // 'Greencrew Kibbutz' I'm OFF to consider my options on my own.

:sad:

[David]

Norman, you do bring up a valid point about newbies and more advanced people. Maybe there should be a library section that is for viewing only?

Interesting article.
#@*!!! Anonymous anger rampant on Internet

http://www.cnn.com/2008/TECH/11/03/angry.internet/index.html

[THE eXchanger]

xxx

[Norval]

Kerry, Bill, Colin, Moderators and Avalon members;
While many here at Avalon may not have the experiences of forums that many of us
"old timers" do, this needs to be said! From having operated and moderated several
forums the methodologies and tactics being used here are the very ones that will tear this
forum apart. Which is exactly what is happening. Are we to think that this is being done
for a reason? What are your posters and readers thinking? Obviously, you are trying to
find out.

Those of us "old timers" to the forums are just shaking our heads and sighing over what
has been done here. Obviously someone forgot to read the "Forums, How to Manage
One." instructions that are all over the net. It causes many to ask just whose advice is
being followed on how to run the forum? And, why?

It looks like about two thirds of the readers and posters have left. We have to ask why?
There were some great minds that first came to this forum and they are gone now. I am
not talking about the "stars of the show", but about those that had something constructive
to add in the way of thoughts and ideas.

Personally I am here now just to watch what happens next, to answer any questions
concerning the research Gale, I, and others have done, and to try and help people keep a
level head in their responses. There are many of us that hope this will all work it's way
through and help the people waking up.

Sincerely :original:
Norval L. Cunningham

[TruthWillSetUFree]

It it not surprising that in asking how we feel about the forum you would get a manifestation of what is going on in the forum ....Why would I be upset? it isn't my fault that certain people can not stop attacking me for no reason at all.

It is precisely this type of energy that brings a 'negative' influence into the forums.

Is it wrong? No, it is life. This forum depicts not only what is going on in the world but also what is going on with each and every life on the forum.

The positive and negative, to navigate through. Choosing what we can spiritually discern as "ours" or not and to use this energy to practice detaching ourselves from it emotionally. I believe we will have much negativity in the world in the very near future.

First things first.

Gordon, what has you feeling "attacked" is what YOU are putting out there. You obviously do not see this as it remains in your shadow. Look into your victim archetype. You victimize others, eliciting a response from them, so you, your ego, can 'be right' about being attacked by others, again feeling victimized. You do not see that you are creating this yourself; a never ending merry-go-round of upset and turmoil.

Until you are responsible for what you create, you will be stuck within its confining walls of resentment.

What I hear is someone who is angry and wants attention by taking it out on the world. Underneath your anger is fear. Only you know or can access where this fear is coming from by going into the darkest recesses of your soul.

There are people here willing to love you, don't be afraid.

What we all need to realize is who is doing the posting on here is our ego's. Some have a predominant ego, others are more in tune with their spiritual selves which reflects that in their understanding. Most of us are in somewhere in between, many have hurt egos who are resigned to hurting others to feel better.

I would suggest to all those who feel the need to negate others to use the forum as a tool to get in touch with your deepest emotions as a way to uncover ALL THAT IS NOT YOU. Consequently, finding who you are.

This is the quickest and surest way to help the world. As you uncover all that is not you, you help the collective uncover their own, as in the 100th monkey syndrome. It always begins WITH YOU and ends with you, as we are all each other.

Gordon you are an aspect of all of us who is hurt and angry. As an aspect of all of us you can find your healing from within yourself and within our collective whole.

And that, my dear friend, is up to you.

Herein lies our transformation as a whole.

So to answer the question,yes, I feel the forum is a valuable asset in one's life as a teaching/learning tool and a place to make like-minded friends.

[Accipiter_Phi]

["AGREED ! I'd also add that I wouldn't like to be in B&K's shoes right now because this forum must be so NOT what they anticipated. Ultimately it's got to be a choice between exclusivity or heavy policing. - The problems of running things don't change much, do they?"] -NORMAN


This forum is basically a microcosmic societal study that directly reflects the dynamics of society as a whole... not too mention the social dynamics that will quickly manifest in any given "ground crew" habitat.

I believe that the issues/dynamics raised within this forum will help address issues/dynamics that will rise in ground crew communities...

There will be love, yet fear. "helping hands" yet competition... compassion yet ego struggles.... a "leader-class" will probably have to emerge to combat self defeating infighting due to experiential levels (and their related personality types) in various fields; including weapon, health, infrastructure, spiritual specialists.

This forum is priceless in revealing/predicting the inevitable psycho/social dynamics of proposed ground crew habitats... and how to ameliorate various conflicts. There are no easy, external answers to these problems.

One may quickly find oneself dealing with issues that the "illuminati" ruling class has been dealing with for millenia (without the Luciferian slant, though).

Nothing is as easy as it seems when tools, weapons and egos are involved.

[Pomguymguy]

:wall:As many of us here still attempt to scratch each others eyes out
please note: The Universal Mind ( of which we are ALL a tiny part of) knows far more about how YOU feel than any human being could possibly know.

Every THOUGHT is ENERGY - ONCE AGAIN we see a lot of useful ENERGY being wasted on trivial b******t instead of the job in hand - which is ?:nono:

MANY OF US HERE APPARENTLY STILL DO NOT KNOW !

[Average Joe]

quoted text removed at quotees request

I feel this forum would be a better place if people would use the full width of the page.

[Carol]

Susan,

I appreciate your editing your text and so I shall follow your example.

PAX

[Anchor]

quoted text removed at quotee's request

:shocked:

--

Everyone: please, cant we have constructive debate? One without any form of ad-hominem attacks - no matter how subtle. All it does is pander to the negative.

It would be nice if people concentrated on the message and not the messenger and if one has to pass judgement, try to judge the processess not the person.

A..

[TranceAm]

:trumpet: Its a sanctuary. :trumpet:

[clarkkent]

i agree with the the truth shallsetyoufree and mr phi (as usual ,heh)

this forum is a different animal than it was during its inception.
mr phi's cartoon depicts the nature of the dichotomy here quite well.

there are some very spiritual smart savvy wise and informed people here and there are many more people who are none of those things.

the best one can hope for is to peruse the threads and look under "new posts" and hope theres some interesting info or a good discussion happening.

it IS a microcosm of what youd get in a physical groundcrew, though i do think people are a bit more respectful in person and certain info is more easily seen as false when you see whos delivering it.

i dont come here as much , except occasionaly and ive found

http://www.consciousmedianetwork.com/ to be just as enlightening

and the forums at
http://divinecosmos.com

to be good as well.

the one thing that bugs me a bit at camelot/avalon is that alarmist negative reports get so much attention.

st clair and wilcock both said that october wouldnt be as nutty as everyone was predicting (yes the financial turmoil is huge but not life wrecking for most of us)

look at the doom and gloomers who got all the attention
"hawkeye" who said america would be brought to its knees in early october and that there probably wouldnt even be an election, and of course dr deagle's prophet of the most high god of imminent nuclear war as well as george green. halfpast human's report got blown out of proportion as well with most people thinking total economic collapse would happen in october.---the fact is the election is tomorrow and most of us still have jobs and my coffee is still $2.oo.....and while that might not always be the case, fretting and getting worked up over "prophets" visions or "insiders" testimony of the "roths" destroying us, just plays into the fear game.

bill and kerry seem to be stuck between letting go and just letting their spirit guide them and know that this is all illusion and transition....and holing up underground like the military with hydroponics and being glad that they have money to separate them from the fates of the masses.

IMO camelot/avalon unfortunately caters to the inner survivalist/fear monger
while at the same time preaching "no fear" spirituality but the fact is apocalyptic visions and speculation gets everyones blood pumping, and calm rational discussion of "probabilites" does not.

the forum reflects all this and more.

[Shellie]

I believe that the whoever is the last witness to be put up on video on Camelot at any given time is the one who's attitudes and beliefs colors Avalon at that time. If Bill and Kerry would like to change what is happening here on Avalon, the best thing they could do is control the information we are getting- sponsored by them- through the witnesses. If they choose to make this a metaphysical forum and cut out all the practical stuff, then they can choose that. But I do not think they will, considering the objectives they have listed.

The best thing that can be done to help Avalon push ahead would be if B & K were to find witnesses who aren't going to tell us what is going to happen or what to do, but HOW to do it. Our minds are swimming with hundreds of scenarios and possibilities and time-lines, and we all have a vague sense of "be physically and mentally prepared" but... We are drowning in information. Many of us at PA are strapped for resources, living paycheck to paycheck, or are just now waking up and are still trying to digest everything. In essence, I believe we are so bombarded with "do this" and "do that" that I wouldn't be surprised if a large portion of the Members here are paralyzed to do anything and hence haven't done a single thing to get ready yet.

My vote is for B & K to give us a little more guidance via interviews. That should kick start fresh, relevant activity here on PA.

[karmakah]

IMO, I see this Forum as a reflection of the consiousness of the world, the state of the world. Some people are love and light, some are passive, some are aggressive, some are evil. I truly believe it is true that we as a species are just not "there yet". This Forum, at times, is proof of that. It does not, however, deter me from visiting. I'm here as an observer, and every now and then if I get something positive out of something I observe I'll participate and post my feelings. I use this place as a gage to where the human race is in it's evolving of consciousness. A learning tool. I appreciate it and everything everyone has to say- good or bad. Because until we can rise above and realize maybe we are all One, I'll continue to come here and 'gage' how we are doing...

[Deoxyan]

this forum is just more merchandising and bussiness from my perspective.

that happens because it don´t shows any novelty.

[shybastid]

Mr. Kent,

I dont think Im taking it out context,when you infer that Bill and Kerry are going "hydroponic"...ie. selling out

I personally know some very good people that are "above ground and underground" that are VERY respectful citizens.
I think it was a cheap shot to infer that they sold out.Im sure I misunderstood.
I have been reading Nexus for YEARS.I dont agree with all their conclusions and synopsis. Ummm But.. They've been very correct, more then incorrect,in so many areas,that Im proud to know Ive read it there first.
If I had a choice of who Id go hang with, or be with ,during the next 5 years,
Nexus People,Avalon,Camelot thinkers???Ill ride the Bike that Powers the Reactor.
ummm What can YOU help contribute?
Show me better..
George Greene? Going South....
Wilcox? Staying Put.........
Me? I'm meeting some very helpful people from one of these "Ground Crews"..that want to know........
Do I have communication prepardness that can work without electricity?
Do I have Good seeds to plant?
Do I have extra gasoline to help?
Shelter??
Food?
Food? How Long do WE think we should Prepare?
As A Ground Crew recovery area?Where/When do we stop sharing?
How do we decide this?

MY POINT?

This is a VERY good tool for just trying to prepare with friends.Not unlike Christians in a church.<<---ex-catholic..more religious now.
I was invited.
I like that.
Looks like Bill and Kerry got invited.. I like that.(Like they WERENT)
I will do what I can to help my Bruthaasss.(Like I would'nt.)
All you people that want to find reasons to create misinformation or not share ..to help the rest of us.. Go Ahead.
We'll be here.

I believe the Ground Crew is an expanding opportunity for us to Grow.

Thanks for being a part I like It.

[shybastid]

this forum is just more merchandising and bussiness from my perspective.

that happens because it don´t shows any novelty.



Hey!! Dman!!! Make us a new TShirt!!!

Ill bet you can make a couple of Bucks....

Thats NOT Novel............
Pay your Staff....
and costs.
Ill market it.

After expenses...
Proceeds go to Avalon/Camelot


Its a Concept


Sheesh


What else ya wanna gripe about this site?


Your Move

[shybastid]

K Ill shut up.............

But Its Snowing and Lightning up here in Tahoe.Winds HOWLING


Hope... I hit a Chord




Feels right

[clarkkent]

K Ill shut up.............

But Its Snowing and Lightning up here in Tahoe.Winds HOWLING


Hope... I hit a Chord




Feels right


im not attempting a "cheap shot" im merely referring to the "survival" tone of an "ark" and all that that implies... the elite of the world are doing much the same thing and they have the money to do it as well....good for them, good for bill, im not saying its bad.

there are two ways to go about dealing with whats coming, you can be very attached to this material 3D world and try and hold on with all your might and you funds and do everything to figure out the best way to "survive"

or you follow your intuition to where it tells you you need to be, for some that means staying put, for others that means moving to a small town.

if micheal st clair and bill or kerry have the funds and connections to live in a underground/above ground community 'radiant zones" with hydroponics scientists, farmers and people with a lot of gold then good for them. personally for me if i get demolished by a tsunami because i didnt do my homework on the perfect safe place, then oh well...thats what i was meant to do.

i DO think that they tend to veer towards a more materialistic survival alarmist mind set, but thats their choice and i dont have to vibe with it, they present some good material and i take what resonates with me, thats all.


if thats a "cheap shot", ok, i dont think so but if that works for you go for it.

[Tuza]

Coffee over there only $2.00 Clarke, over here its from $3.50 to $5.00, ouch.
I do agree with CK about the survivor mode. I have wanted to move out off the grid before PC/PA only because I wanted to be in an environment that suited my personality.

As far as the ground crews go I will give my imput if I'm asked, but my husband (at the moment he still is:mfr_lol:), is getting really p.....d at me for going on to the PC/PA sites as are my children, who are all sceptics.

So it looks like I stay where I am. If I had my choice as I said I would be living off the grid surrounded by nature in my hobbit house of my design, - oh and I would be putting in solar energy - I would spend money on that.

[Exzackery.Smith]

If they remain childish and refuse to respond civilly to your questions then.........guess what.......you can ignore them........who cares what random people say about you on the internet. Honestly. If we continue to ignore the irrational posters, they will find some other outlet for their tantrums and need for attention.

True, and yet if the same poster makes a valid comment, respond because that will set the tone. Forgive and forget. Flames... or if persona attacks become the tone, what will we have here anyway?

[shybastid]

im not attempting a "cheap shot" im merely referring to the "survival" tone of an "ark" and all that that implies... the elite of the world are doing much the same thing and they have the money to do it as well....good for them, good for bill, im not saying its bad.

there are two ways to go about dealing with whats coming, you can be very attached to this material 3D world and try and hold on with all your might and you funds and do everything to figure out the best way to "survive"

or you follow your intuition to where it tells you you need to be, for some that means staying put, for others that means moving to a small town.

if micheal st clair and bill or kerry have the funds and connections to live in a underground/above ground community 'radiant zones" with hydroponics scientists, farmers and people with a lot of gold then good for them. personally for me if i get demolished by a tsunami because i didnt do my homework on the perfect safe place, then oh well...thats what i was meant to do.

i DO think that they tend to veer towards a more materialistic survival alarmist mind set, but thats their choice and i dont have to vibe with it, they present some good material and i take what resonates with me, thats all.


if thats a "cheap shot", ok, i dont think so but if that works for you go for it.

I stand corrected. You sound like a person I'd like to hang out with.
Excuse my mistake.
I feel that Bill and Kerry have done a good job of finding alternative options...if we feel the needs.
Questioning motives or access to new options are not what we're supossed to be asking here...I forgot.
But.......for the the sake of the Best Interest of us All.
Help Show me/us how to make this better.
Im not a Mod.
Just a Ground Crew member.
Cheap Shot just sounds rude...... My apology

[Tuza]

I miss that energy too Norval:- Quote:

It looks like about two thirds of the readers and posters have left. We have to ask why?
There were some great minds that first came to this forum and they are gone now. I am
not talking about the "stars of the show", but about those that had something constructive
to add in the way of thoughts and ideas.



They have disappeared and I don't care what anyone says there is an energy missing because of it.

[Baggywrinkle]

Avalon could be so much more than it is currently.

What I envision is Camelot and Avalon, the open forums as you have now, plus an educational area which might be comprised of a classroom and library/ research complex.
This value added area might be by subscription. It might be a blogging area for research results. There might be
libraries to download and classroom offerings by qualified
individuals. Ham Radio, for example. These areas by their
nature could not be open to drive by commentary. They would need tight decorum as one would expect in a classroom or library.

Too much to ask? The stub is already there in the research section of the moderator area. Undeveloped real estate. Certainly too much to ask for those who
are only here to be entertained or kill time. How many of you actually intend to build a wind generator, buy a
ham radio, or really store food, One in ten? One in a hundred? If your local society really does go Argentina,
there is no doubt you would suddenly be serious. Seriously out of luck. Like those beating on the door of
Noah's ark after the rains began.

There are other forums where this is happening. Some of the better ones you will never see the inside of.
Alpha Rubicon, for example Rubies earn their keep.
Another Voice of Warning. Gotta pay to peep...
Frugal Squirrel is a good one.

But Avalon trumps them all in size and reach if you the
Avalon public can get your you know what together.

Action talks. IMHO....

[Evolution22]

I sense that the vibe of Avalon is getting low.
I am concerned.
But, I could be wrong and
that is where you come in.
I believe that communication is the key
and maybe we can get to the source of the issues.
Feel free to express any concerns that you
may have about this Forum.
How can we make Avalon a better
experience for you?

Also, don't forget to participate
in the Poll. We need to know how you
feel about this forum.

This thread was created not to cause debates
but to get answers on how you are feeling about Avalon
and what your goals are in being here.
And if those goals are being fulfilled.

If the Forum turns out to be doing well,
then that is good news.

Thanks,
Kevin - Project Avalon Spiritual Mediator

My 2 cents the moderators need to learn how to moderate. They need to know basic forum rules, and then Avalon site rules. Then FOLLOW them. Bill and Kerry may need to pay web geeks to moderate to get some uniform on this site. I've been on forums for 5 years and the moderation here is sub par.

Also the screen I'm writing on is black and if you need to make a correction you can't see the mouse to click on the correction. Screen behind the quote box needs to be a different color.


p.s. Thank you Bill and Kerry for all the help on Camelot.

[shybastid]

Baggy?
Very well said.
Im not as elequent as you are.
There's some groups of people from these forums,that are not trying to broadcast their goals and accomplishements.Just getting it done.
Its actually getting more "legs" then I expected or anticipated.Thats a good thing.
Like the "We are the World" sign that was posted before those celebrities
met to sing." Leave your Egos at the Door "....Did they listen? Nahhh

Is Quicney Jones still a good producer? (He produced that Video)
Heck Yeah..He wrote the "Sanford and Son" Theme.He can't be all bad.:lmao:

[Midnight Oil]

Bill and Kerry should be more active in their forum, whenever the boss leaves the office for vacation, personnel starts to loose its course. Believe me I own a business and know how things go down when you are not around. Our forums are fairly new, we should give it and the mods sometime to sum things up. I'm sure things will get back in course with time.

[vega]

It appears Project Camelot has been infiltrated and contaminated wth serious disinformation. The real agenda seems to be very different.

This has adversely affected the avalon forum which has developed a rather negative hue.

[blindeye]

I really think the emphasis should be meeting up in the 'real world' - coming together finding strength and solidarity in numbers. This site , maybe would be best used as a high tech bulletin board to facilitate this, (which in fairness it is.)

Having a forum is good for reflection/meeting/communication, but actual human contact would clarify and consolidate a lot quicker. Then the movement will snowball and provide a real feedback/ direction for Avalon etc.

Maybe this is the vital function. Nothing will change unless we change our own reality;finding an ark, waiting for et's / messiahs etc, a cop out' - only the 'bit' between our teeth matters . I'm as guilty as the next person, I have to disconnect from this lcd screen and break out!
Local ground crew, expect to see me soon...:trumpet:

[whitecrow]

I'm glad this question was asked - not because I see a need for change but because it shows someone somewhere is paying attention. Bill and Kerry are just legendary, characters like Moses that supposedly actually live somewhere but are not seen by the common folk. I see evidence of the moderators' presence now and then when threads get moved around, but otherwise what we have here is the Wild Wild West.

Which is ok with me. There are plenty of threads I have little or no interest in, but that's no reason for me to object to them. I try to remain focused on my own core issue: remaining positive through the shift and trying to teach what I've learned (and to keep on learning). I find many more opportunities for this in daily life than I do here.

To the extent that folks come here to spread and check out rumors about spacemen and disasters, the forum is basically useless...but that's going to be the case with any community like this. Online forums tend to collect people who can't think of anything better to do than sit on their butts and live vicariously. So what? What are ya gonna do - kick 'em out? The forums still work just fine for those of us who are serious. And the dummies might wake up and learn something, it could happen.

We got three thousand people or so, right? There's your soil...many seeds have been planted and are thriving. Some are weeds...but which ones? Your weeds might be my medicinal herbs. My weeds could be your wildflowers.

I say leave it alone and consider this your place to search for the wild asparagus. Plant your own seeds...leave your truth out there. Take what you find useful. No need to argue or protest that someone else left a weed you can't use. Leave it. Someone else might find it and like it.

Now, about disinformation....the forums are full of it. Rather than attempting to eliminate it (which is impossible), I suggest that this is a sterling opportunity for practicing discernment, and detachment. This is an example of how it's better to be FOR something than AGAINST things. We're all against things, and most of us have wasted a lot of time "kicking against the goads." Being positive is never a waste of time, and in the end will accomplish the desired goal not by flogging the negatives but by illuminating the shadows.

[Accipiter_Phi]

[We got three thousand people or so, right? There's your soil...many seeds have been planted and are thriving. Some are weeds...but which ones? Your weeds might be my medicinal herbs. My weeds could be your wildflowers.

... No need to argue or protest that someone else left a weed you can't use. Leave it. Someone else might find it and like it.]



HEAR HEAR! :original:

[Kathleen]

We got three thousand people or so, right? There's your soil...many seeds have been planted and are thriving. Some are weeds...but which ones? Your weeds might be my medicinal herbs. My weeds could be your wildflowers.

I say leave it alone and consider this your place to search for the wild asparagus. Plant your own seeds...leave your truth out there. Take what you find useful. No need to argue or protest that someone else left a weed you can't use. Leave it. Someone else might find it and like it.



Beautiful analogy! I came on board as a mod with the intent of gardening. Some weeds are nutritious, however, too many weeds will choke the flowers. Gardens need tending. Gardening can be zen and an art form. Gardens are nurtured with love.

Peace~ Kat

[THE eXchanger]

Dearest Kevin,
i have edited my posts, and, asked others to do so also,
and, i do apologize to you publically,
as, my intention, was NOT to single you out,
but, rather to ask a few questions,
that apparently hit a "bad chord" with NOT only you,
but, also a few other people,
and, that was definitely NOT my intent, or, my intention.
so, i am sorry if my post, was disturbing to you,
and, i hope you see it in your angelic heart...
to forgive me
love
susan - the eXchanger

[whitecrow]

I came on board as a mod with the intent of gardening. Some weeds are nutritious, however, too many weeds will choke the flowers. Gardens need tending. Gardening can be zen and an art form. Gardens are nurtured with love.

Agreed, Kat...yet I don't think of the forum as a garden as much as one of those wild places where I go hiking. You don't find the sacred sage in gardens but on hillsides in the back country. I like the wildness of the forums, and the only threads I'd be inclined to "prune" are those where a few jerks just get ugly.

[Suriel]

Thank you Susan. It was just a misunderstanding on my part.
We are all here together. And I want everyone to be happy.
If I feel like I am making someone uncomfortable, it bothers me.
We are all drawn here for a reason. I do believe that you are a
wonderful addition to Avalon. I hold value in your words.
You are forgiven and well respected.

Peace and Love,
Kevin

[TruthWillSetUFree]

Let US be the change we would like to see on Project Avalon!

You want it to be a particular way BE THAT WAY

We can practice our transformation here then bring it out to the world!

Keep bringing/being the Light and the darkness will not be able to survive here or in the world.


Before posting let US think about how it will affect the whole

Before attacking let US go within to see why we are choosing to attack our brother/sister/ourselves

Before negating another's opinion let US think about how we would feel if someone negated ours.

Let US choose unconditional love,

Let US see with the eyes of our souls,

Let US listen with our hearts.


We all bring our own unique gifts to the table of life.

[karmakah]

TruthWillSetUFree:
I could not have said it better myself! Your words ring true to me...and hopefully to a lot of others as well...

[Gnosis5]

The Great Work for myself and Hubbie is, in Phase 1, to discreate compulsions to be at one end of the pole or the other. Discreate "Karma".

Gnosis



This forum is perfect, whole and complete
Everything flows, out and in; everything has its tides; all things rise and fall; the pendulum-swing manifests in everything; the measure of the swing to the right is the measure of the swing to the left; rhythm compensates

Everything is Dual; everything has poles; everything has its pair of opposites like and unlike are the same; opposites are identical in nature, but different in degree; extremes meet; all truths are but half-truths; all paradoxes may be reconciled.
By Correspondence :welcomeani:


All natural effects are from spiritual causes. All is spirit

[Connecting with Sauce]

I haven't read all of these posts because... Life's too short :D

A couple of weeks before I found Camelot I was searching for something... then I found Camelot WOW I absorbed all the interviews gather what I could then... I started researching stuff like opening my 3rd eye and detoxing and then WOW Avalon was launched and there was SUCH a vibe there were a lot of early posters who seemed to have all the information I was seeking... WOW and then BAMM... I felt like I was kicked in the nuts when the forum was down and all these news rules were implemented and the threads locked and the split into two... The forum has recovered just and the swelling in my metaphorical jewels is going down.

I still miss thefirst few weeks of avalon 1.

I'm still gathering info I just feel it is less than it was.... my £0.02.

[THE eXchanger]

Let US be the change we would like to see on Project Avalon!

You want it to be a particular way BE THAT WAY

We can practice our transformation here then bring it out to the world!

Keep bringing/being the Light and the darkness will not be able to survive here or in the world.


Before posting let US think about how it will affect the whole

Before attacking let US go within to see why we are choosing to attack our brother/sister/ourselves

Before negating another's opinion let US think about how we would feel if someone negated ours.

Let US choose unconditional love,

Let US see with the eyes of our souls,

Let US listen with our hearts.


We all bring our own unique gifts to the table of life.

absolutely
well said

we can all be "rare" and, "well done" at the same time
if we follow your suggestions

brightest blessings
of energy, light and love to all
susan
the eXchanger

[David]

At this point, I think this forum is a good experiment. Good intentions were put into it's creation. Personalities from all over the globe with good & bad intentions conversing. This forum is alive like like the forest floor. All kinds of information, opinions and alternative resources merged into a single entity. We are going through convulsions right now to establish it's identity and I for one am sticking around to see it's true form.


It's Alive!
http://images.starpulse.com/Photos/Previews/Young-Frankenstein-bh02.jpg

[TranceAm]

At this point, I think this forum is a good experiment. Good intentions were put into it's creation. Personalities from all over the globe with good & bad intentions conversing. This forum is alive like like the forest floor. All kinds of information, opinions and alternative resources merged into a single entity. We are going through convulsions right now to establish it's identity and I for one am sticking around to see it's true form.


Wonderful put in words.

[Suriel]

Thanks for your participation in this poll. The results of the poll and your comments will be taken into consideration by the mod team and the admin.

Peace,
Kevin

[Anchor]

This thread has been repatriated. It is closed, but is being returned for reference.