PTB are Here on Avalon !

[Reuters]

Hey You,


Do you Guys believe there are people setup here by TPTB to Monitor what is going on & Mislead people in the Wrong Direction ? POST what you think & Let your Voice be Heard ! :thumb_yello: Don't Forget To Cast Your VOTE ! :wall:

[Ngai Te Rangi]

Ken Adachi from "EDUCATE YOURSELF" is convinced his site takes a lot of hits from the CIA via their related ISP's.

:darthvader:

[raulduke]

"PTB" is getting a little old here. I've used the abbreviation myself when struggling to describe a faceless controlling power, but it's just not that simple.
We are the PTB, they are us, as far as PA is concerned.

I think a better question would be: "Are there subversive entities embedded in PA that wish to discredit credit accrued?"

Certainly they are here. No question.

I'm not sure if our opinions of that matters though.

Now as to specifics....that would be helpful.

Anyone?

p.s
Reuters, why so many polls w/ all members's votes displayed?
I count at least 5 in the last few days.

[raulduke]

I'm not quite sure as to how tags are actually attatched to threads, ( as I understand it, they must be added by the OP)
but, Reuters, I was wondering why one of the tags for this thread is:

"bill and kerry suspicious"?

Is this what you're hinting at?

[Anchor]

@Reuters: I am amazed you even needed to ask the question!

IMO: Yes, frequently. Either by posing as a member of simply watching the wires.

Let me ask you - what of it?

[Bagatell]

Coincidence? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Camelot)

[TranceAm]

Coincidence? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Camelot)

If so, so what?
In 1984 Emmanuel Goldstein and the other side are run by the gov, to control any opposition by attracting them like a magnet. But if one KNOWS that that is the case, one can still use it as a mule to transfer info with....

And yes of course, they would want to control what whistle blowers are allowed to get their info out, and what whistle blowers, should have their whistle removed. How predictable it all is.

btw:
Bagatell, is that the related to the Il_Bagattel from Surfing the Apocalypse, where it is considered a waste of bandwith and time and one is prevented from loging in when one asks the simple question,
How is it possible that Americans allow their government to alienate their unalienable rights?
Part of the same forum group (CIA Central) that it seems always goes ofline in a group, where Lancifer originates that presented this 'info' you call 'coincedence', before?
:lmfao:

[Harper]

Well of course they are but they are probably not super worried what we think about it either way. I mean what would they have learned thus far that would matter, basically they think we are a bunch of militant peace spreaders always spouting about love :-). I mean they could discredit here as loonies in 2 minutes and who would care. I can only presume that they are interested to hear what we think, and they may not all be negative of course.

[Tuza]

I wouldn't be surprised if their not reading our words from their ships - and I don't mean ships sitting on the water - Hi Norval.:original:

[iainl140285]

Would the PTB start up every thread as a 'Poll' to find out everyones views ...? lol :roll1:



Peace
Iain

[Anticomuna]

What is PTB?

[Tuza]

Powers that Be. - Of course everything is monitored - we are seen as dangerous people - because we dare to think outside the box - or even think.

[Norval]

Here at Avalon?
uhmmmmm if you check, this is Camelot. :naughty:



now, , , back to my morning :cup:

[twiceborn]

Of course they will be monitoring p avalon so what, they are the souless ones and they are the ones who worry about these sites because they are weak and they know it, when you have to hide and do everything behind the scenes are they real men or women no they hide behind their false power, titles that are not earned, flashy clothes, fancy cars fine houses, obscene incomes, obscenes egos youve seen them its an emminence front.We will have to show them how to be truly alive in the coming years, through love compassion, forgiveness, helping people less fortunate,treating our relations the animals and birds and all living things with respect. All the hiding ones know is secrecy murder and mayhem to get their way but the big boys have to get someone else to do it for them because as I said before they are weak, can you imagine some of the elite family members going into warefare standing on your side and you having to depend on them, if the hiding ones had to fight in their wars end of story no more wars.Anyway back to the dark postings on this site you can feel the energy in their words negative, roll right over them and speak our truth. OH MITAKUYE OYASIN

[JesterTerrestrial]

well i was here when I typed this message and I am a power that be!

dont worry about the PTB's or the FBI's or the KGB's or the NSA's or the CIA's...

its those LMNOP's you gotta watch. :mfr_lol:

ahhhhh....im goin to norvals for coffee :D

[SplatPantZ]

Here at Avalon?
uhmmmmm if you check, this is Camelot. :naughty:

Whats that logo in the top left of the page saying then? :naughty:

[Bagatell]

btw:
Bagatell, is that the related to the Il_Bagattel from Surfing the Apocalypse,

no, not me.

[enemyofNWO]

Powers that Be. - Of course everything is monitored - we are seen as dangerous people - because we dare to think outside the box - or even think.


Every group , even insignificant , is monitored by the government crims .
Project Avalon or Camelot are no exception to the rule . That' my belief .
The spooks are the ones that keep this rubbish system going . Politicians come and go , but the spooks remain ...
Manipulation of private people's lives is more common than many would believe ; in some extreme cases people's so called friends are actually paid imformers . In Anglo Saxon countries everything is rigged , judges , the legal system , the Schools , the Universities , the careers of " chosen ones " , the public service and even the Medical Centres . The result of a spook operation can be seen In Australia with the set up by the local spooks of a pupular judge that must have displeased the PTB .
After more that 5 years of " being investigated " by Australian and Italian spooks , I have acquired some experience of those methods .

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/business/story/0,28124,24584073-17044,00.html
http://www.banned-in-america.net/americans-murdering-their-judges.html

[freekatz]

[QUOTE=raulduke;68948]"PTB" is getting a little old here. I've used the abbreviation myself when struggling to describe a faceless controlling power, but it's just not that simple.
We are the PTB, they are us, as far as PA is concerned.

I hate to sound like an un-hip nitwit but what is "PTB" and "PA"???

[raulduke]

I hate to sound like an un-hip nitwit but what is "PTB" and "PA"???


Don't worry freekatz, I've had to go to wiki to look up alot of these web terms and abbreviations, as this is the first forum I've ever been a member of, so imho, lmao, rofl and the like were gibberish to me, until recently.


The PTB are: the Powers That Be, and they won't leave me be (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2v4YQx_VBpg), but as I said, I grow tired of the term, as it implies helplesseness.

PA is Project Avalon.

[freekatz]

Don't worry freekatz, I've had to go to wiki to look up alot of these web terms and abbreviations, as this is the first forum I've ever been a member of, so imho, lmao, rofl and the like were gibberish to me, until recently.


The PTB are: the Powers That Be, and they won't leave me be (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2v4YQx_VBpg), but as I said, I grow tired of the term, as it implies helplesseness.

PA is Project Avalon.

Thank you raulduke!:original:

By calling "them" the powers that be aren't we handing our power over to them?

[Deoxyan]

this could be another social engineering project as many other active ones out there.

[Norval]

Yes, many of the PTB agents are here, , , ,

The real question is, why?

[PTTurboe]

Absolutely.

Why else hits from Reston, VA?

[Pharaoh9969]

Why not? I'd like to extend my welcome mate out for the "PBT" and thank the "PTB" for if it were not for the "PTB", we would not be here sharing the info. Let's let the "PTB" know how much we "LOVE" and "CARE" for them as well. :mfr_omg:


LOVE ONE, LOVE ALL! :wub2:

[Frank Samuel]

Anybody heard of the patrioc act, the goverments have a right to monitor, cel phones conversations, websites, gps tracking etc. This is all under the banner of national security. Althought it would be impossible to get an insider with a top secret clearence of level 15 or higher to spill the beans , you never know. It will take aproximately 15 to 30 minutes to have the feds knocking on your door, that's the way things are. Freedom of speech in this case is an illusion afforded to those with speculative views, not for those who know and can be arrested at a moments noticed for divulging information
vital to the security of any country monitoring this website.HELLO !!!:trumpet:

[Labratinaz]

More importantly.....

Why must we believe in the Powers That Be are real?

Do they replace our need for belief in a Supreme Being?

Why do we need to believe that events happening are controlled by forces or people we can't see?

I agree. The PTB are US. You and I. We can change the world. We are changing the world now.

(( Yes, if the PTB have the resources to watch every single forum, web page, blog in the world - then they are here and conversing with you at this minute. ))

What do you think?

[freekatz]

Maybe we should start calling them the powers that "were":lightsabre:

We are the new power!:welcomeani:

[micjer]

Why wouldn't they be here.

Heck they can monitor our cell phone calls, land calls, watch us from satelites, road and city cameras, someone even mentioned they are putting cameras into new HD tv sets.

So why wouldn't they moniter this!


Thanks to who asked what PTB meant. I didn't know either. As Jesse Ventura says "there are no stupid questions". Chances are that if you ask a question someone else is wondering also. :thumb_yello:

[franciejones]

I welcome the Powers that be...I hope that by checking up on our activities here that maybe it will wake up just one of them that feels that disclosure is not an option...maybe they will change their minds. As long as they look and don't try to stop the majic happening here, I welcome them with open arms!

So here it is, my official hello to all who fall under the category of PTB!

[Deoxyan]

i think the powers that be really are ourselves, all humans on this planet. the world we live in is the world we made. If we don´t see paradise is because the number of people wanting a paradise is greatly outnumbered by those who do not want that to happen. We are here experience what true freedom is about, most people get dissapointed at the truth.

We are the working force of the system. The force who moves the system in a specific direction.

[David]

From the bottom of my heart to the "PTB". :welcomeani:

[THE eXchanger]

the only "powers that be"
are the ones, we choose "to allow"

it is time to really pay attention
to who/and, what
and, why/where and hoW you
choose to monitor
your own eXchange/and, eXchanges

i would rather call them
the ill_uminati or
a name, i gave them,

The ILLs, i think that name,
eXplains them to a "T"
and, i hope others,
adopt that same verbage for them...
i also send them lots of love, to them, it is a poison
cheers
susan
the eXchanger

[371]

Ken Adachi from "EDUCATE YOURSELF" is convinced his site takes a lot of hits from the CIA via their related ISP's.


Yeah, the CIA probably think it's a humor site:lol3:

[Frank Samuel]

If it was not for the whistleblowers working for the PTB very few people would have an idea of what's happening around them. Yes there's some sickos working in various organize groups of the goverment, thank God for our concious because that is what stops the madness. I believe that people can change, I cannot judged others. As humans in history astrocities have been a part of our ancestors history. Yet we have a chance every single day to make a real diference, that is my challenge to those monitoring this site .
Time to stop the madness and the killing of so many innocents.
Is never too late !!!:welcomeani::thumb_yello:

[zorgon]

Powers that Be. - Of course everything is monitored - we are seen as dangerous people - because we dare to think outside the box - or even think.

Dangerous? Not hardly... most of you (generic you) spend so much time talking about the bad PTB that you don't have time to organize a real revolution...

So they are here to make sure you stay here and keep talking about it. If things get slow, some whistle blower that claims he USED to work for THEM pops in with a new story to rile everyone up... and again... you all talk about it :lmao:

Now then not counting the "Agents" who work from home :tongue2:
Its really very easy to check this...

The admin here has total control over checking IP addresses of each poster... Its very easy and a simple script can sort them by location.

Without giving away names... the admin could simply do a tally of how many IP's are from .mil or .gov sites.

But see over at ATS (two of my closest friends and one aPegasus member) have a husband that works for Space Command... (one in Florida and one in Colorado) Since they live on base and have free phone service... every time they posts it shows they are calling from a .mil site :mfr_omg:

So no need to guess... have the admin check the IP database..

And don't tell me it can't be done... we went through this at ATS (several times a month) and I run my own forum so I know how easy tracking is....

[zorgon]

Of course they will be monitoring p avalon so what, they are the souless ones and they are the ones who worry about these sites because they are weak and they know it,

But there are also those that WORK for and with the PTB that visit a site such as this to see if the site is WORTHY of them stepping forward with real inside information.

With my experience at ATS... there are very few of those that find it worth the time to share and expose themselves to ridicule... so they don't bother.

In your zeal (witch hunt) to naysay all PTB, you chase off the very people we need to come forward and make a difference...

Blindly accusing all of evil doing is counter productive to finding ANY truth. You will scare off the REAL insiders and end up worshiping the frauds, something I see a lot of on forums and youtube.

Just remember the old spook saying... "one does NOT quit the company"

Fortunately those people feel the need to talk so find other 'channels' :wink2:

[Frank Samuel]

Okay Zorgon you must be an alien, working from RHTB,( the Real houses that be). Show me your green card friend we are on to you ...:naughty:
Working with pirates websites teaches you how to mess up people's hard disk.
Is not so hard. Yet I don't think anybody here has been attack in that manner. RPTB, or whatever is not worry about this website we are too busy arguing about politics and the doom and gloom.:thumb_yello:

[zorgon]

Althought it would be impossible to get an insider with a top secret clearence of level 15 or higher to spill the beans , you never know.

Quite right... BUT they are allowed to 'hint' and 'point' to information. Sometimes a simple word on something that is no longer classified thus safe to comment about, will lead a good researcher to many many doors.

The problem with info gathering is KNOWING what questions to ask... A simple word or link to a website and a lot of reading and legwork... will reveal many secrets...

A good example is "Codename MISTY". I won't tell you what that led me too yet... be curious to see if anyone else does a little legwork :tongue2:


It will take aproximately 15 to 30 minutes to have the feds knocking on your door, that's the way things are.

More like 5 here, FBI office is 6 blocks away :lmao:


Freedom of speech in this case is an illusion afforded to those with speculative views, not for those who know and can be arrested at a moments noticed for divulging information vital to the security of any country monitoring this website.HELLO !!!:trumpet:


If it was an 'illusion' for web posters... places like this and ATS would have been shut down long ago... not allowed to flourish and grow...

Considering the info I have on my website... IF it was an issue the nice visitors that talk with a monotone, have no humor, and use black as the preferred aesthetic appeal in apparel would have 'bored' me to death with conversation a long time ago...

But funny thing... one of those 'watchers' at ATS, from the DoD, did knock at my door and spent three days cahtting with John and myself...

When he left (and yes I had his credentials checked, even looked at the three DOD and AF stickers on his yellow van :bleh: the last thing he said was "You only have the tip of the cat's tail."

I replied; "Yeah but we are tugging hard enough that the cat is looking at us"

Upon running the checks through my sources... one comment came back...

Your note is full of so many things that we could chat about...literally for hours. What really caught my interest was the story about the 'visitor' y'all had. I used to do similar things...get in the car...drive over half of God's Creation to 'visit' with people, scientists and some folks with special skills.

Remember...for someone to be able to do that (travel, etc.)...that takes a 'budget', schedules, etc. And in order for someone to do something like that (like I used to do right after 9/11 thru early -03)...someone who has a discretionary budget generally finances those kind of 'intel' projects. Does the term 'reconoiter' mean anything to you? (LOL)! Just be careful.. They probably don't consider you guys to be a threat, or they'd have already 'bored you to death with conversation' (ROTFFL!).


Then two weeks later a very odd thing happened...

Before when I would do a search... I might hit something good after several days of seeking...

Now when I type in a search my results on page one are all .mil sites and official pdf files :shocked:


And another 'odd' thing... I will find a new link to a site... click on it and get an error message.... then about an hour later I am allowed in...

ALL the info is in the public domain that I find... its just not easy to find without the right words to search for...


THIS is how true insiders can 'leak' info... point you to a place where you can find it on your own...

THIS is why I highly suspect 'whistle blowers' that offer no data to back their story... when it is so easy to provide...

A simple link to the DoD Defense budget showing an item listing is a good start. If they are spending monet on it... there is a pretty good chance a project really exists, even if it is 'cancelled' (gone black) :wink2:


So be nice to the SPOOKS that visit here... you might be surprised that many are on your side


:welcomeani:

[PodWORLD]

Hi Zorgon.

I started to type in Codename Misty and the search assistant on my BT Yahoo browser came up 'Search Codename Misty Satellites'.



I totally agree with your sentiment re whistleblowers, PTB etc.

[zorgon]

Show me your green card friend we are on to you

Err actually its pink... not green :tongue2: Why do they call it a 'green card' :shocked:


[QUOTE]
not worry about this website we are too busy arguing about politics and the doom and gloom.:thumb_yello:

There you go :thumb_yello: Now you got it


Just for GIGGLES...

MISTY from Wikipedia of all places :lmao:

Misty is reportedly the name of a classified project by the United States National Reconnaissance Office to operate stealthy reconnaissance satellites. The satellites are conjectured to be photo reconnaissance satellites and the program has been the subject of atypically public debates about its worthiness in the defense budget since December 2004.

The first satellite launched for the program was deployed on March 1, 1990 by the Space Shuttle Atlantis as part of Mission STS-36. Objects associated with the satellite decayed on March 31, 1990, but the satellite itself was seen and tracked later that year and in the mid-1990s by amateur observers. Misty is reported to have optical and radar stealth characteristics, making it difficult for adversaries to detect (and thus predict the times it would fly overhead).

Almost everything about the program is classified information--but one clue about satellite camouflage has been found in the patent literature. U.S. Patent #5,345,238 describes an inflatable balloon that can be made rigid on exposure to ultraviolet radiation that can serve to lower the radar and optical signature of the satellite. Once deployed, the cone-shaped balloon could be steered to deflect incoming laser and microwave radar energy by sending it off into outer space. Whether or not these stealthy ideas are actually used in the MISTY satellite series is not publicly known.

Porter Goss, a former Congressman and former CIA director, and George Tenet, former CIA director, have both vigorously supported successors to Misty, despite several attempts by Senators Dianne Feinstein and John D. Rockefeller IV to terminate the program. The primary contractor is Lockheed Martin Space Systems.

Misty (classified project)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misty_(satellite)

The Spy Satellite So Stealthy that the Senate Couldn't Kill It
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB143/index.htm


:tongue2:




:welcomeani:

[Jenny]

Hi Zorgon,

I have been reading your post with a lot of interest.

Why I respond at this moment?

Because of the sober logic you use to explain "complex" things.

Thank you Zorgon.

[TranceAm]

A good example is "Codename MISTY". I won't tell you what that led me too yet... be curious to see if anyone else does a little legwork :tongue2:


You mean :


Known by the code name “Misty,” the program is aimed at developing satellites that can orbit undetected. But its cost has mushroomed, from $5 billion to $9.5 billion. Opponents argue that spy planes can do the job, and that the money would be better spent in areas more critical to defending against terrorism, including the hiring of more human spies.


http://articles.latimes.com/2005/feb/20/nation/na-intel20

Edit: Shoot!, You already posted it.. All legwork umsonst.

[crowmirror]

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[Average Joe]

As usual, Zorgon takes a step back from hysteria, paranoia and junk, and makes sense.

[Frank Samuel]

Have to handed to you Zorgon you have more courage than me to go searching ,I had a few scares. You are quite right a combination of key words can get you into places. Buddy I'm with you,even if you are an alien with a pink card .:naughty::thumb_yello:

[dutchie]

they are everywhere:raygun:

[iamhearing]

Even IF ? TPB are monitering or indeed engaging on this sight, why should we care, I believe if we are TRUE to our own selves educating ourselves in an open minded and factual manner, Then The Power That Is.. Will Be You!!

Best wishes

[Gale]

Pretty obvious
That’s a no brainer, why even ask the question in first place and waste server space?

[dataeast]

I'm not sure, I'd like to think they were because otherwise the content would be bunk.

But I thought that they generally stuck to sites that were "radical" and militant (guns). I don't think that we'd pose too much a problem for them anyway in a demographic and power sense, not saying we don't lack some punch, it's just that people that meditate and offer kind words over violence are generally much more agreeable than most and can be reasoned with. :)

On the other hand, if they are marketing profilers then I'd be more concerned that they were gonna feed us with our own hopes and fears. In which case, I'd be happy to hunt them down and nail 'em with noxious smileys.:naughty:

[K626]

Ken Adachi from "EDUCATE YOURSELF" is convinced his site takes a lot of hits from the CIA via their related ISP's.

:darthvader:


It would be silly for them not to run some vectors on here, populated as it is by elements of the vanguard.

[goody8504]

if they were any good at what they do then they would be. then again, i think they have bigger problems to worry about right now. who knows? and for that matter, who cares? lets stop focusing on these people. it's not helping the situation by getting all paranoid about it. they're probably here but i haven't received any death threats yet. so what difference does it make?

[QueenOfLeon]

It would be silly for them not to run some vectors on here, populated as it is by elements of the vanguard.

And are you one of them K626?

[historycircus]

It is a pretty safe bet that someone from mission control is keeping an eye on the astronauts, eh?

But I seriously doubt they would post - keeping an eye on forums like this would be a recon mission, endangered by engaging in or directing discussion.

Besides, we do a good enough job of arguing amongst ourselves - no external stimulus needed. Considering that the whistleblowers are often contradictory in details, they need not inject any disinformation - there is enough "real" information to keep our heads spinning.

Plus, for an organization that can liquify cities of a million+ with the push of a button, I somehow doubt two thousand widely scattered conspiracy buffs present much of a security concern.

And I will agree with Zorgon - not all the "PTB" are bad; there are good people in the CIA, FBI, NASA, etc., and we "know" what we "know" because some of them were brave enough to speak out. And some of them have paid dearly for their testimony - for YOUR future.

Peace.