ST CLAIR, Deagle, HPH, looking glass, and "hawkeye" all of them "off" [Archive]

clarkkent

11-05-2008, 10:18 PM

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just stating the obvious folks and i know all the "alternate timlines" makes it difficult BUT

the timeline I'M on all these people were pretty "off" in their predictions,
--since this summer theres been a lot of alarmist doom-y predictions, and almost all of them were wrong or not as severe.

the only thing that has come true is economic turmoil and any non conspiracy economist couldve told you the same over a year ago.

st clair said mcpalin would win and boasted about his track record with predictions about bush's 2 terms and the non event of y2k he called all those, clearly he was wrong about this and only now is talking about this "plan B" and said he didnt predict it because he didnt want to give energy to it (because he didnt want any responsibility for an obama presidency--yet he gives plenty of energy to earth changes/disasters, moving to the mountains advice)

deagle's and HPH's oct 7th hoedown was blown up out of proportion, yes financial poo went down, but not on the magnitude of a 9-11 disaster...we all have our jobs and theres no martial law.

"hawkeye's" october coup, disaster roth's bringing america to its knees, dissidents being carted off in fema trucks blah blah blah...none of it happened.

and then theres "looking glass" technology that showed hillary and the white house under water etc...obviously thats not happening as well.

now people can point out that "well they're seeing other timelines" well guess what theyre scaring the sh*t out of people in THIS timeline and theyre never predicting the multitude of possiblities in random timelines, its always "get ready for such and such in a week!" (in YOUR timeline)

add all this plus random predictions of joe biden dropping out, hillary replacing him etc etc and a bunch of other ridiculous speculation from iffy sources. people post whatever scary prediction they can and post in caps "LOOK AT THIS!!!!!!!"

is this how people spiritually and mentally prepare themselves? is this an enlightened forum or a conspiracy version of the evening news? "this JUST in! orange juice...the SECRET killer?!...tune in at 11!!..."

absolutely NONE of this stuff has happened. yet people here endlessly speculate and/or prepare for the worst in "survival" mode--look, we all know and feel big changes coming , im just saying lets use some discernment and not get caught up in every possible horrible scenario. out of all those people discussed above the one not mentioned, david wilcock, has been the most correct yet he doesnt get much discussion here because he doesnt play the fear/doom/death/destruction/survival card.

food for thought.

Magii

11-05-2008, 10:32 PM

Totally Agree ..

Its ok .. The DOOMER / GLOOMERS .. they are gonna say well it was a different timeline.. O because we came out with the information we changed the outcome .. sort of thing.. and a couple months down the line .. New DOOM will enter!

:mfr_omg:

Steven

11-05-2008, 10:45 PM

...Yet people here endlessly speculate and/or prepare for the worst in "survival" mode--look, we all know and feel big changes coming , i'm just saying lets use some discernment and not get caught up in every possible horrible scenario...

Important thread. I'm glad you did it, I was thinking of creating one myself soon.

The only valuable outside preparation to do is every little steps that will makes you more independent from the system.

Namaste, Steven

THE eXchanger

11-05-2008, 10:47 PM

well; they all can NOT be right all the time

i personally believe, that many people are
"dreaming up" a "new reality"
and, for the 80% moving in the right direction,
there are 20% who are NOT,
it is NOT as grave, as many put out there,
as, long as the greed card, is, in the game,
there are too many involved in all the rings,
that, they are NOT going to let it fall,
without a big fight !!!

so, it will be "business"/"greed", as ususal

i was right on Obama

i also wonder, if i am right about 1/29/2009 -
that, is a day of 5 aces
1 + 29 (2+9=11) in a 2009 (2+9=11 year)
so, it is the day of 1-1-1-1-1
5 aces, so, will Obama take over on 1/20/2009
and, 9 days (for completion/and, new beginnings)
and, on 1/29/2009- he will die ???

(jan 20-29/2009) 9 days
sometime, before 5am
& then what !!!
(what will occur that day ???)

i know something will happen that day,
as, i see it
(perhaps, i will be wrong)
time_lines do alter, change & shift

i do NOT believe, we have seen the last
of hillary

Predictions, are just that predictions,
NOT always will they be right,
however, the timelines will alter, change and shift
in accordance, with the collective consciousness,
of which, i believe, it can be quite dangerous,
to sit in it, however, sitting at the edges of it,
aiding, and, assisting the altering/changing and shifting of the all in all, is eXactly why many of us,
have choosen to be here in this time,
i suppose, it is time for "the many" to awaken,
and, join "the few" who are doing things,
that are assisting, in proving, many predictions,
to be "off the mark"...
there are an infinite amount of possibilities
of how, to climb up a mountain,
oft times, one way, is quicker than another,
however, all paths, will eventually lead you up
the same mountain,
and, get you to the summit...
about the only thing you can be,
is to be an authentic "card",
and, play your card...
pretty silly, to come to earth, and, NOT discover
the Who, Why, Where, When and, hoW of you !!!
so, how do you find out that,
it is quite simple, start asking,
if you ask, the answer to that, is oft times, given to you !!!

brightest blessings
susan / the eXchanger

Heretic

11-05-2008, 11:06 PM

You will not find wise men on the soapbox screaming warnings to the masses

they will answer when you go to them and ask the right questions

Ampgod

11-05-2008, 11:09 PM

We learn/teach with these people.
They help shape us and we, undoubtedly, are helping to shape them.

I am feeling that we are not on a destructive path as many claim.
But a path of great change which may have some temp. turmoil.

That is what my intuition tells me.
I could be off.
But that is my 2 cents. :)

aearion&manwathiel

11-05-2008, 11:20 PM

Predictions are just predictions, a warning, not a fate. Its fantastic that these doosmday monologues that were thrown out all at once havent come to pass - perhaps this in itself is a testament to the changes people are making in order to advert the *potential* chaos. Looking glass technology was a way of seeing a temporal and ephemeral future, not a determined one. We shouldnt be looking for predictions (and making martyrs of them) to determine our own actions, its is continually taking away from self-responsibility. Yes, we share a collective timeline (through our projections), but whether we are aware of it or not, we are interdimensional beings (we're so good at it, we can do it in our sleep!:original:) so we are always operating on multiple (perhaps infintie) timeline or possiblilities, our dispositions attracting and adhereing us to the one which is in our likeness. Once again, not residing in fear, based on someone elses experience is so very integral to the entire universal shift. We shall not see with their eyes and hear with their ears - nothing shall be hidden from us, when we are fearless.

"Aure entuluva!" (Day shall come again!)

Thank you for starting this thread - it is a good topic to discuss.

Manwathiel.

pilgrim

11-05-2008, 11:21 PM

Well said Clark, even a broken clock is right twice a day (with or without a timeline change).
This timeline business is a great opt-out clause for those making predictions.
I predict some people will not be happy with that statement because 5/11/2009 divided by X =Y, if the timeline doesn't change, that is:hypo:

jpvskyfreak

11-05-2008, 11:30 PM

becky

11-05-2008, 11:33 PM

Hi clark kent,

I mostly agree. All this timeline, prediction hoopla has gotten out of hand. I couldn't even finish the St. Clair phone conversation today because it sounded like a lot of pussy footing and excuses. Heck, why not just come right out and say, "Looks like I called that one wrong folks!" (People who get PAID for predictions rarely do that.) Although, to be fair, I've always found Michael to be very well intentioned and love oriented (in his videos and interviews, I don't know him personally).

I will say though, that I still find the work of the time monks to be very interesting and even though OCt. 7th wasn't exactly a big BANG like many of us were thinking, those boys called that one a long ways off. And I hope I'm wrong, but I think the fall out is going to be JUST AS BAD AS PREDICTED. With the rest of the time monks track record such as Katrina, Sichuan quake, tsunami, Musharraf, etc., I am watching their 'collective conscious' work closely. Plus, I like Cliffs self-effacing style and willingness to admit this may or may not come to pass. It is a computer after all.

So yes, I am stocking up on food and supplies in case of hyper-inflation, unemployment, etc. I am buying silver and gold. I am trying to stay aware of what is going on around me.

BUt most of all, I am working on myself. Meditating, journaling, reading spiritual books and remembering to live love and laugh TODAY. This might be the only day that I get.

Thanks for the thread.

Keep breathing everyone.

Becky

Carol

11-05-2008, 11:39 PM

ahhh, but the timeline changed early last July I suspect with a little help from our friends above. And I've been saying this now for the past 3 1/2 months when it was clear that Hillary was not going to get the nomination. She was on the other time-line as prez.

And yes, time lines are real. And yes, they get altered. Given how the present stands now.. truly, the future is anyones guess because we got turned in a new direction where we really do have an active effect on how events unfolded from day to day.

The future is not set in cement.. it is an unfurling curl of ongoing creation which is "also" generated by conscious awareness. :thumb_yello:

Spinner

11-05-2008, 11:39 PM

Very good thread Clark. I have been thinking the same thing. How gullible can we be? These predictions have been coming out for years and years and when they don't come true, people then make up excuses as to why they didn't come true, amazing.
They say things like well, they didn't come true because we announced it. Where was there any shred of evidence that it was true to begin with?
When something does come true, there is a big write up about this great prediction when any one of us could have predicted the same thing.:wub2:

martian31v

11-05-2008, 11:59 PM

great post clark. lets stop speculating and start acting. volunteer, participate, be a part of a solution.

purplesage

11-06-2008, 12:07 AM

‘they’re more like guidelines. . .’
if you knew the end of a mystery novel, would you still read the book?
tomorrow may turn into hell, but i’m with you becky, living, loving, laughing TODAY.

Anticomuna

11-06-2008, 12:10 AM

I believe every once in a while people see those things and get worried and then see that nothing happened. And then a new group of people sees the next "prophecies" and then get all worried, yet nothing happens. And then...

You get the idea.

I was searching the internet one day and I found some links to Alex Collier's interviews in the 90s. The guy said Japan would sink in the ocean, the Hale-Bop comet had a reptilian spaceship in its tail, etc...

We are just the new generation of truthseekers. We will create resitance to prophecies and then a new generation will come by and everything will start again.

Think of this as a vaccine (without microchips or sterilizing substances of course :naughty:).

ralok_j

11-06-2008, 12:10 AM

Clark, I have to disagree with you somewhat about HPH and 10-07. This is the date that could be the beginning of the end of our economy. Yes, there are too many variables and what-ifs that can or can not happen that will determine the ultimate fate. But, if the economic data continues to move in the direction it is currently moving HPH will have a rather accurate prediction.

Frank69

11-06-2008, 12:22 AM

"them" i meant...sorry typo..

just stating the obvious folks and i know all the "alternate timlines" makes it difficult BUT

the timeline I'M on all these people were pretty "off" in their predictions,
--since this summer theres been a lot of alarmist doom-y predictions, and almost all of them were wrong or not as severe.

the only thing that has come true is economic turmoil and any non conspiracy economist couldve told you the same over a year ago.

st clair said mcpalin would win and boasted about his track record with predictions about bush's 2 terms and the non event of y2k he called all those, clearly he was wrong about this and only now is talking about this "plan B" and said he didnt predict it because he didnt want to give energy to it (because he didnt want any responsibility for an obama presidency--yet he gives plenty of energy to earth changes/disasters, moving to the mountains advice)

deagle's and HPH's oct 7th hoedown was blown up out of proportion, yes financial poo went down, but not on the magnitude of a 9-11 disaster...we all have our jobs and theres no martial law.

"hawkeye's" october coup, disaster roth's bringing america to its knees, dissidents being carted off in fema trucks blah blah blah...none of it happened.

and then theres "looking glass" technology that showed hillary and the white house under water etc...obviously thats not happening as well.

now people can point out that "well they're seeing other timelines" well guess what theyre scaring the sh*t out of people in THIS timeline and theyre never predicting the multitude of possiblities in random timelines, its always "get ready for such and such in a week!" (in YOUR timeline)

add all this plus random predictions of joe biden dropping out, hillary replacing him etc etc and a bunch of other ridiculous speculation from iffy sources. people post whatever scary prediction they can and post in caps "LOOK AT THIS!!!!!!!"

is this how people spiritually and mentally prepare themselves? is this an enlightened forum or a conspiracy version of the evening news? "this JUST in! orange juice...the SECRET killer?!...tune in at 11!!..."

absolutely NONE of this stuff has happened. yet people here endlessly speculate and/or prepare for the worst in "survival" mode--look, we all know and feel big changes coming , im just saying lets use some discernment and not get caught up in every possible horrible scenario. out of all those people discussed above the one not mentioned, david wilcock, has been the most correct yet he doesnt get much discussion here because he doesnt play the fear/doom/death/destruction/survival card.

food for thought.

I am off to bed then. The past 4 weeks were nervewracking. Glad it's all over.

shijing

11-06-2008, 12:30 AM

I agree with that also -- with St Clair and Deagle, we have been pretty much just asked to take their word on what they say without very much to back it up as far as I could ever tell (they each have a background story that is objectively hard to assess). In the case of sources like Hawkeye, since they are an undisclosed source that by definition can't be verified, we have to pretty much just take that on faith as well. However, in the case of HPH, Clif High at least provides a general explanation of how they do what they do, makes no promises (instead making their forecasts probabilistic, and mentioning often that they do have misses), and gets data out so that people can draw their own conclusions. I also have to admit that although the particulars didn't appear to pan out (a roughly equal combination of economic and military chaos), the timeframe of the economy beginning to publicly unravel did get hit pretty close. I am therefore taking their last report (which they give away free in exchange for a Michael Tsarion book or video receipt for anyone who doesn't know that yet) seriously, while keeping in mind that it is a forecast, not a prediction.

jpvskyfreak

11-06-2008, 12:44 AM

It didn't take a rocket scientist to see the economy was going to tank ... Buffet & Gates sold all their share holdings a year ago... they have access to the best economists and accountants in the world.... who had the most to lose / gain they do ... I knew a fall was near when they cashed out.

Looking glass might need a clean! :wall::sweatdrop:

ghglenn

11-06-2008, 12:44 AM

I am still leaning to HPH being more valueable than pure prophecy. There is some actual, science behind the forecasts.
It would be the equivalent of using tech.charts for forecasting stock market trends.
I think they nailed Oct. 7th, for people to believe that we are remotely out-of-the-woods is far from the truth.
We are gonna go through some "uncomfortable" times, to say the least, over the next year.

quest

11-06-2008, 12:57 AM

its basically at service of ariman or so, food for certain entities, grays, jing, whatever.. some folks just don't want to hear about it, no matter how often its told. luv & light folks.

Rocky_Shorz

11-06-2008, 12:59 AM

The interesting thing is, the Mayan Calendar named the 6th as the end of night, the 7th is the new dawn...

Putin, The Nordics, Saudi Arabia and Asia all played a part, so I myself will never shame the prophets for their warnings. The Illuminati is still standing with their mouths hanging, wondering what went wrong.

Now is the moment we should be waking up and glad the nightmare has passed. Oprah even said that a change of consciousness was happening...

It is being felt all over the world

There were many evil plans put in motion and all of them stopped...

We are meant for a brighter tomorrow...

Selene

11-06-2008, 02:11 AM

Thanks, Clark, for saying exactly what I've been privately thinking. Maybe, in the "world" of these people, the sky is indeed falling, and disaster is looming all around them..... That's what they expect; that's most likely what they'll eventually get.

Fear is a powerful magnet. But then, so is love. Your life is, indeed, your own creation.

Funny about that.

Regards,
Selene

raulduke

11-06-2008, 03:38 AM

ST CLAIR, Deagle, HPH, looking glass, and "hawkeye" all of them "off"

More evidence of their humanity, and their information sources likely being rooted in no more than humanity, as we are all fallable, and capable of "shifting timelines" w/ very simple actions (butterfly effect/chaos theory).

People like St. Clair, Deagle, and Burisch are very interesting individuals, but regardless of what Deagle would like us to believe, they are not "prophets" imho.

"Prophet" implies access to a higher intelligence/divinity than the rest of us are capable of.
As far as Deagle goes and to some extent St. Clair as well, their egos are at the forefront of their information, which does not help their overall message imo.
Burisch's ideas and informationis are a bit different, as it is more scientific in nature and as such, susceptible to human error. But those problems are easier to define and address than the message of a "prophet".

As far as HPH goes, it seems that (what I've heard from Clif at least) that the events that they have predicted/been looking for, are too subtle to be noticed en masse. Interesting, but certainly unconvincing form my perspective.

Good thread Superman...errr...Clark.

Anchor

11-06-2008, 10:57 AM

dutchie

11-06-2008, 11:38 AM

Kent:thumb_yello:I started on this site not to long ago and let me tell you about the sleepless nites i've had....................I have learned more from the people on this forum than from the interveiws.Trust our own instinct isn't that what they do??????:wink2:Fear is powerful; felt it many times in here

andromeda

11-06-2008, 12:04 PM

Predicting the future is always tricky because the mass conscioussness of humanity can flick timelines in seconds...The question worth making is which kind of timeline we want to choose?

Do we want harmony and peace among all people?
Do we want prosperity and abundance for all people?
Do we want wisdom and unconditional love to be the beacons that make us transit to a civilization which is truly "golden" and equal for all?

Then we can start by doing our bit from within, loving ourselves unconditionally some inspiration here http://www.kindnet.co.uk/articles/unconditional_love.html

and doing all that we can within our own lives to live a wise, kind and enlighted life one step at the time, just baby steps...

Big changes start with a smile and sincere soul searching on why we are here and what we can do at individual level to make it the best of it all.

Looking inside it is always more effective than looking outside for answers, here there is another inspirational article

http://www.kindnet.co.uk/articles/2012_update.html

Much love

clarkkent

11-06-2008, 12:13 PM

Do you honestly see a world in which it is unnecessary to make basic preparations for "urban inconveniences" ? I agree for the most part that TEOTWAWKI (not including ascension) doesnt seem all that likely, but still getting off grid still seems to me a worthy goal.

I am not changing my plans - and have not since I joined Avalon no matter how much doom and gloom has been talked.

A..

in my post i said we all know their WILL be changes --- to be clear i dont think the next decade will be a walk in the park , people need to prepare however they can physically and more important spiritually.

the intent of this thread was to point out that camelot/avalon seems geared towards focusing on all these people's alarming predictions that specifically gives time frames for horrible things. deagle even recommends target practice with guns amongst his nuclear holocaust warnings (keep in mind the real karmic/spirituality hypocrisy is often revealed in such statements...i doubt his "most high god" would recommend AK-47's)

take a look at camelot's older "state of the world" specifically in september, all of "hawkeye's" material is absolutely nightmarish and people eat it up and speculate endlessly, going over every horrible detail then feeding off the fear in the forums.

how many times have you seen people posting about how FEMA is going to come cart you away? how many threads have been started here with fearful scary material? even naomi wolf who i totally respect was wrong when she said a military coup was in effect and they wouldnt let an election happen, the point is none of us know exactly how things will unfold, even the so called experts. (and look how these "experts" react or talk their way out of the false predictions i.e. st clair)

well...no FEMA, no martial law, i still have my job, october is done and gone, i voted for obama, he won and every "phrophet" or doom prediction certainly hasnt happened. i didnt get taken out of my room at 4am because im a dissident who goes to kooky sites.

ask yourself how much energy has been wasted with all these wrong predictions? cant we just know that YES we should be prepared for upheavals, be what they may---but lets not move out of LA because Deagle says he sees Terminator 2 mushroom clouds. or hear a bit of doom-y predictions then go search youtube for some scary videos about it and post it here with dire warnings.... do you see what im saying? its pointless and counterproductive.

im just saying lets all take a big breath and realize that these "predictions" bill and kerry uncover from whistleblowers and prophets/astrologers are just that--- and if anything they are 95% very wrong, so lets not give so much energy to them.

---

rhythm

11-06-2008, 12:23 PM

great thread well said ! im not to good at putting this kind of info together
so thanks to you guys who do a fab job of this stuff .
let the good times roll ,i can here it in the not to distant ,realy realy
the vibe is real good .cheers me loverlys .rhythmm.

Allie

11-06-2008, 12:24 PM

Triaxis

11-06-2008, 12:33 PM

Good thing they are off too. Otherwise, we would all be running around, slingshots in hand with gold coins clinking in our pockets, protecting our bunkers filled with canned food!

The Mad Max scenario espoused by some is too far fetched. The world economy might retract a bit, but that will probably be the extent of the problems.

When walking through the forest, do you admire the trees, watch the birds fly and feel the breeze rubbing against your cheek? Or do you look out for snakes, spiders and grass that might make your legs itchy?

clarkkent

11-06-2008, 12:35 PM

Well said, ClarkKent :original:

There is another prediction that I don't think you've mentioned that didn't happen....the '30-day' warning applicable to the UK which was supposed to cover October. :original:

With regard to the financial crisis, I read that particular prediction two years ago in a book I think was already a few years old. I'm aware that it's in a few books / internet sites relating to Ascended Masters :original: Over here in the UK, there's been a noted economist warning about it for years, too. As mentioned in an earlier post - you didn't really need a crystal ball to know that was coming.

indeed look up any "fiat" economy throughout history and you can see they always collapse with great upheaval and something new takes its place. Fiat economies fail. period.

ps- thanks to all the thoughtful calm folks posting in this thread...good to see you all are here. :)

Jack

11-06-2008, 01:05 PM

Excelent post Clark, you hit the nail on the head.

And ladies and gentlemen, let me just tell you. This 'doom and gloom' is here for a reason. How did houdini make an elephant disapear? Misdirection.

We are currently undergoing a massive disinformation campaign which is solely in place to distract us from the evolutionary progress of planet earth and the concsiousness which resides here.

Fear makes people agitated, agitated people make bad decisions. Bad decisions make bad karma, bad karma holds us back and keeps us stuck in our incarnational cycle on planet earth and prevents us from seeing the true reality of things.

David Wilcock, Dannion Brinkley, Gregg Braden, Drunvalo Melchizedek amongst others are some of the most inteligent educators on our planet today. And each one of them is right on the mark with the true reality of our situation, yet they barely even get a mention here. Im absolutely dumbfounded by this. People would prefer fearfull dramatic lies over the awesome truth.

I will just say one thing, people, stop spreading fear on this forum. The reality of our situation is as bright as we are capable of understanding it. Many here are the architechts of their own 'doom' simply because they recognise nothing else.

We are undergoing a profound change in human consiousness and the gravity of this cannot be explained in mere words. Fear will bring you just that, something to fear.

Open yourselves to the true reality of things and follow your joy.

If you follow your joy and your love you will find love and joy.
If you follow your fear and your anger you will find just that.

Namaste

rossy_j

11-06-2008, 01:11 PM

Clarkkent,

I agree and feel your distress,

Have you ever thought that maybe the world and all its creatures are more aware than they realise. As I look around my environment I see a slowing down in development not a 'ramping up' of new projects.

I believe our new reality is coming upon us like a steam train and only the time table changes.

I've made decisions in the past month that have hurt and isolated my family and friends and made comments I wish I didn't.

Believing in what we do is a solitary pursuit until it stands before ALL.

Sorry for the one liners - bit to much grape juice

yikes!

11-06-2008, 01:13 PM

If you checked your 401k in August and Today

You would be thankful you were aware of George Green's Dow 8500, Ben Fulfords Sep 30th Finanical Meltdown and HPH Rocky October predictions.

To me they were all spot on.

Allie

11-06-2008, 01:13 PM

Me, too :original:Well said, again, TimeIsShort:original:

Malletzky

11-06-2008, 02:04 PM

Thanks to clarkkent first for bringing this up.

I would totaly agree, and as I already said in my previous posts, there's no need to fear of anything.
We're all on our own path, right here and right now. So we shouldn't just blindly believe to those "whistleblowers", prophets, just name it...All we have to do is to find our thruth inside of us. With each decision we change our timeline.

As to some of the named people here, I couldn't tell why they preach doom & gloom. It's their own right.

But I surely took some time and studied St. Clair and his work.
I believe he knows much more then he's telling in his interviews.
I guess he really have an access to another dimensional planes or timelines, and what he see there is what he tells us. By I have a strong feeling he withheld some informations. What purpose for? Profit? Gear? Fear?

But this timeline is surely not my timeline.

If he's on a spiritual path, why would he advising "good" clients to buy gold, silver, why would he advise them (and us) to move to a safer zone?
The only conclusion is, these people are more on a material path. And they maybe know what's comming in their own timelines, to which they have an access to!

Well thanks for their good intentions, realy. But do it better! Do it by not seeding fear, doom & gloom here!
Do it by seeding love, do it by giving solutions for every human soul on this planet. Not only for the "choosen" one!

By the way, I like people who're on a spiritual path. And I consider DW for example to be one of those. As well as many other here!!!!

Thanks for that!!!

Triaxis

11-06-2008, 02:17 PM

The neocon nazis and the zionists are running a small time sick side show destined for the dustbin of history.

Without darkness their can be no light......

I actually think their is a beautiful balance of positive and negative energy at this forum. Well, perhaps a little more negative than positive - that's why i've decided to post some positive comment here to help level out the scales a little:wink2:

Ali Quadir

11-06-2008, 02:42 PM

the timeline I'M on all these people were pretty "off" in their predictions, --since this summer theres been a lot of alarmist doom-y predictions, and almost all of them were wrong or not as severe.

the only thing that has come true is economic turmoil and any non conspiracy economist couldve told you the same over a year ago.
You're so right man. :) Also this economic turmoil is not the predicted disaster at this point. And likely will not become one.

Predictions are possible when the systems you predict are not chaotic. Consciousness is fundamentally chaotic. So if you raise consciousness then predictions go out the window.

Deagle wasn't exactly wrong. He's exactly in line with all the ancient prophecies. Nostradamus, the Hopi, Revelation. However these predictions were made before people started growing.

We're approaching an attractor, a singularity of consciousness. And it's actually now able to reach back in time to inspire the self that is not saints or mystics.

So suddenly there is a much more directed flow towards the 2012 period. Which means that less pressure is required. And you can actually feel the pressure blowing off when people massively become inspired. The election was one major blowing off of psychic pressure.

The same happened at the crossover to the 21st millenium. I was around back then with a back pack a bunch of tin cans and.. a sword.. (don't ask) I had studied my survival books and had picked a spot to hide out. And people to hide with. I was expecting that I needed to go feral. Then mankind changed.

At that time I didn't understand it. It took me years to understand and only now the final pieces of the puzzle begin making sense when I see the same thing happening again. Terence mcKenna's timeline zero philosophy is very close, if not dead on. And I started to understand that with the philosophy clearly outlined in the re:evolution song.

When you listen to it, understand that this song was done in 1992... If it sounds modern then that's because the principle has not changed..
Re:Evolution (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0t9o6BQZ-4)

Right now I am of the opinion that the creature we are to become is awake. It's actively reaching into the past to guide its own genesis. Its our 4d reflection. Or more accurate we are it's 3d reflection.

becky

11-06-2008, 03:31 PM

Question: What is the difference between awareness of and discussion of a potentially bad situation and actual fear mongering doom and gloom?

I am sincere here. Because I kind of thought the reason most of us were drawn to this forum was because we agree that the world that we are presented with on CNN is not our actual world (or only sort of) and that Bill and Kerry have pulled together some interesting pieces of another puzzle.

ANyone get what I'm asking? I'm not sure I do.

Back to my coffee.

Peer

11-06-2008, 03:44 PM

I think that with "the end of time" is meant: The end of the illusion called "time"
That means that there will exist no more time for the ones that see through the illusion we now call time.
That of course will have immence consequences for this 3D world if the number of people becomes bigger and bigger reaching a critical point that, as we all know will start influencing and changing everything around it.

Remember how Jazz changed the world and cars and flower-power.

The ones seeing through the illusion will live in the NOW.
The ones living in the now will see all timelines and will be able to live them if they so choose.
I can think of a horrible scenario that you will be forced to live them all but I can't see anything to cause that (although that could be exactly what happens in the moment of your death).

Speaking of timelines and Hillary Clinton:
Who do you think the guy in the background is?

http://members.home.nl/2eaccount/Hillary%20and%20me.jpg

JohnWdoe

11-06-2008, 04:17 PM

Everyone is looking at the dreaded "Illuminati" or some insider leaking information about chemtrails,

their has been 3 things i have only stuck to and they are - massive storms,economic collapse,bioterrorism.

I remember when Ike hit and i was reading about some stupid theory and it hit me... "christ im wasting my time on this ****" when the reality of the situation is lighting over head.

October 7th i never believed, October 14th i never bought into, John Titor and his "time machine" i never chewed, but i must admit i did gnaw on some New Age concepts then got the hell out quick! hell i almost lost my sanity...

Go do other things besides research, go enjoy yourself.

burgundia

11-06-2008, 04:39 PM

Harper

11-06-2008, 04:42 PM

Well done superman, quite right, even if you resist this sort of information it does still go in somewhere. I have mentioned on other threads that I think there is a mis-understanding around around a few related issues, if folks really understood mass consciousness they would not want to be involved with it. This is an individual evolution and each person must look to themselves.

also and I know I wont be popular but there wont be any kind of ascension, in my opinion- that seems like such a superior look at what it is that we are supposed to be doing - dropping the ego which has caused all this, class, castes, greed, money etc... , the idea that you could chop down a living ancient forest (a giant living being to all intents and purposes) for profit. I need not continue to list the horrible things that humans have done to each other and to the planet for you to understand that it is basically perceived superiority and the quest for power (ego) that has created this mess the world is in.

I'm not sure the timeline thing is as people feel it is at the moment, the timeline doesn't change. YOU change and you move. For some people it will feel like a big shift for others perhaps you may wake up in the morning and not notice. We are living in an extended moment set up for this possible shift to include as many as possible.

Some people are ready for another type of experience and they will move and others who are still interested in the ego will remain on another path, but are not doomed either however it will be just more of the same.

Its not sexy, its not dramatic and like a tv show, its about being aware and watching yourself to see how much you do actually work from ego, reacting instead of acting. There isnt going to be a close encounters moment in my opinion, why would they let us off this planet when the first thing someone will think of is how can we mine the moon or what can we TAKE FROM MARS TO SELL. NOPE not gonna work.

There are so few people on the earth who are getting real universal information and the rest are just talking to dead people and they are just like us and some are good and some are not.

take it easy

I_Am

11-06-2008, 04:52 PM

Aerion&Manwathiel: wise words!
A prophesy is not the thruth. Following prophesies is very dangerous as they tend to be self fulfilling.
Although it is a troublesome thing that many of the leaders of the world seems to be living as they where fulfilling the Armageddon prophesies...

Let's keep up the hope and love!

Predictions are just predictions, a warning, not a fate. Its fantastic that these doosmday monologues that were thrown out all at once havent come to pass - perhaps this in itself is a testament to the changes people are making in order to advert the *potential* chaos. ...

Allie

11-06-2008, 05:03 PM

There have been many valid points made on this thread :original:

One which I was just thinking about has just been mentioned by Harper in respect of 'reacting'.

I think this is a really important point. When we read information its all too easy to see the drama of it, or that it in some other way resonates - or does not - with your worldview. It's easy to then 'react to it, rather than taking a step back and 'considering' it from a few angles. Even if it means stepping back from the worldview that you hold.:original:

The '30-day' UK thing is a case in point. That would have been so easy to react to, but if you stopped, took a step back and then applied a little reasoning, the flaws became very apparent.

Magii

11-06-2008, 05:07 PM

I believe that this is our thoughts and free will that can change the course of events. Positive thinking creates positive reality. I am not disappointed that all black scenarios haven't come true. We received so many warnings of the impending danger that we've managed to change sth to prevent calamities from occurring. And who knows, maybe a lot is thanks to us here.

Did you see the Mega event @ China Olympics ?

You haD Most of the Earths Population .. at the Beginning / Ending Ceromonies all focused together

on Something Positive + Beautiful ... One World, One Family

mntruthseeker

11-06-2008, 05:15 PM

I for one am glad they were wrong on all accounts.

I am not going to put the blame solely on those two people though. It was plastered all over the net, anyplace you went. It makes me wonder if it was all a trick but inside I know that it wasn't, it was more like wishful hoping.

As far as martial law being imposed and all of the above not happening, how about we just thank the 8 million Asians mafia members (or what ever they call themselfs) that Benjamin Fulford told us about back in July. I honestly feel that they made alot of the changes happened along with our alien friends and all of us here across the world. People just let them know we are not backing down to them.

Well now that makes me sound tough but I am not, I was scared shift-less.....

I read that over 1 million people were "misplaced" in Africa last week alone. How sad.... All of the wonderful energy applied to an Obama win now needs to be focused big time on African and Afganistan. Enough is Enough and I wish this had all ended yesterday

Peace & Love to all

Vickie

micjer

11-06-2008, 05:24 PM

Thanks clark for starting this thread.

It is just the topic I was looking for. Obviously by the responses many others needed it also.

After all of the predictions that did not come true, it makes you wonder if we as truth seekers are going down the wrong path.

Yet as wrong as the predictions were, there is still chemtrails appearing over head.(again this morning) There is still HAARP in Alaska that is operating. There are still millions of plastic caskets in Georgia in that field. etc etc

As wrong as they were, I still know somethin ain't right out there!!!!

P.S.
I agree that David Wilcock still seems to rise to the top.(not saying I agree 100% with everything he says)

:sweatdrop:

tomorrow

11-06-2008, 05:29 PM

Thanks for this thread! I've been following HPH (along with George Ure) and George Green for a few years. I now feel like I've been had!

I no longer want this doom and gloom to be my reality! I was getting a bit depressed with the HPH October 7th date prediction. But if you look back over the years, HPH and George Ure have been calling for a dire future for a long time. Just maybe, one day, the web-bots will get it right!

HPH (Cliff) also consults with astrologers and I have more faith in them than HPH. No one needs a crystal ball (or web-bots) to tell you the economy is a disaster waiting to happen.

I am prepped all I'm going to be. I'm going to make decisions based on my reality not on what someone else says. I'm going to enjoy life!

peace

Gnosis5

11-06-2008, 06:01 PM

I agree with you that it is best to take some altitude regards the collective unconscious. My mother told me to always avoid groups :lol3:

I mean, like duh, doesn't the collective unconscious shop at Walmart?!? :lmao:

well; they all can NOT be right all the time

i personally believe, that many people are
"dreaming up" a "new reality"
and, for the 80% moving in the right direction,
there are 20% who are NOT,
it is NOT as grave, as many put out there,
as, long as the greed card, is, in the game,
there are too many involved in all the rings,
that, they are NOT going to let it fall,
without a big fight !!!

so, it will be "business"/"greed", as ususal

i was right on Obama

i also wonder, if i am right about 1/29/2009 -
that, is a day of 5 aces
1 + 29 (2+9=11) in a 2009 (2+9=11 year)
so, it is the day of 1-1-1-1-1
5 aces, so, will Obama take over on 1/20/2009
and, 9 days (for completion/and, new beginnings)
and, on 1/29/2009- he will die ???

(jan 20-29/2009) 9 days
sometime, before 5am
& then what !!!
(what will occur that day ???)

i know something will happen that day,
as, i see it
(perhaps, i will be wrong)
time_lines do alter, change & shift

i do NOT believe, we have seen the last
of hillary

Predictions, are just that predictions,
NOT always will they be right,
however, the timelines will alter, change and shift
in accordance, with the collective consciousness,
of which, i believe, it can be quite dangerous,
to sit in it, however, sitting at the edges of it,
aiding, and, assisting the altering/changing and shifting of the all in all, is eXactly why many of us,
have choosen to be here in this time,
i suppose, it is time for "the many" to awaken,
and, join "the few" who are doing things,
that are assisting, in proving, many predictions,
to be "off the mark"...
there are an infinite amount of possibilities
of how, to climb up a mountain,
oft times, one way, is quicker than another,
however, all paths, will eventually lead you up
the same mountain,
and, get you to the summit...
about the only thing you can be,
is to be an authentic "card",
and, play your card...
pretty silly, to come to earth, and, NOT discover
the Who, Why, Where, When and, hoW of you !!!
so, how do you find out that,
it is quite simple, start asking,
if you ask, the answer to that, is oft times, given to you !!!

brightest blessings
susan / the eXchanger

Lotus

11-06-2008, 06:17 PM

Thanks Clark!

I too go too caught up in the doom and gloom scenarios suggested by some "seers" on Camelot. Then I put the brakes on and came up for air, and now don't give them much credence.

Sure the times ahead may be tough, but as Dannion Brinkley reminds us: we are awesome, powerful spiritual beings!

A deeper understanding of metaphysics clearly shows how are minds shape reality - so let's stay with the light and shine on the dark. And trust in God.

As to St. Clair I feel very confused by his glowing endorsement of Sarah Palin. She seems like such a shallow right wing caricature. I can't imagine how a person who doesn't know that Africa is a continent and what countries comprise North America (quoted on Fox) could ably run this nation. This makes me suspect all his pronouncements.

And back to Dannion. An earlier thread wondered why folks like Dannion aren't given more space here. Having met him I feel he's the real deal. Some time back a thread to one of his videos was moved to off-topic. I tried to find out why from a mod. No answer.

The beat goes on.

arun

11-06-2008, 06:47 PM

Absolutely clarkkent! You said it.

Jacqui D

11-06-2008, 09:05 PM

You know what I am starting to agree ....

The problem is most people in the good part are honest and have a conscience so when they hear some of the information presented they take it as being real or "true to come" , myself included ...

There are people uprooting their lives and spending big money to relocate themselves due to this information ... myself and Orion flew all the way to Australia from Hong Kong to attend the Nexus conference and our ONLY reason for going was to go and see Bill & Kerry in person and listen to their presentation. I wanted to speak with them at length about some of the issues but we never got that far, but we did enjoy our brief dinner with you Kerry "Thanks"..

Bill & Kerry are just the messengers and they are trying to do us a service by providing a medium for this information ... But I am strongly starting to doubt the reputability of some of their sources, I am sure it is frustrating for them as well not to mention stressful..

Besides getting food & supplies I definitely will not be relocating my family anytime soon ....

I am also tired of waking up waiting for bad news or seeing what the next move is from the illuminati ... I enjoy and love the UFO / ET information to the highest degree but the doomsday stuff is wearing my psyche down.

Anyway just my thoughts .... I am sure many more feel the same.

Feeling much the same way, so wanting the change!! Then the predictions!!
Nothing!! so what's happened, still sitting here waiting!!
The 14th of october came and went, hoped something would come about then the financial crash well that did happen and i think there is still more to come on that agenda we are far from out of the poo just yet.
I just hoping my husbands and kids work will stay for the new year we are really watching our pennies at the moment. And xmas coming up another expence even if you get a little something it's still extra when you don't have much.
People have been talking about relocating well i wouldn't be able to, even basic storing of food etc is just a no no at the moment.
So i'm just sitting here biding my time and waiting for what ever comes around the corner.:winksmiley02:

micjer

11-07-2008, 01:04 AM

zorgon

11-07-2008, 04:06 AM

You will not find wise men on the soapbox screaming warnings to the masses
they will answer when you go to them and ask the right questions

Now that is most likely the most profound statement I have heard on Avalon :thumb_yello:

MargueriteBee

11-07-2008, 04:21 AM

It is all just distraction.

Starlah

11-07-2008, 04:59 AM

[QUOTE=clarkkent;71663]"them" i meant...sorry typo.. [fixed - A..]

just stating the obvious folks and i know all the "alternate timlines" makes it difficult BUT

the timeline I'M on all these people were pretty "off" in their predictions,
--since this summer theres been a lot of alarmist doom-y predictions, and almost all of them were wrong or not as severe.

the only thing that has come true is economic turmoil and any non conspiracy economist couldve told you the same over a year ago.

st clair said mcpalin would win and boasted about his track record with predictions about bush's 2 terms and the non event of y2k he called all those, clearly he was wrong about this and only now is talking about this "plan B" and said he didnt predict it because he didnt want to give energy to it (because he didnt want any responsibility for an obama presidency--yet he gives plenty of energy to earth changes/disasters, moving to the mountains advice)

deagle's and HPH's oct 7th hoedown was blown up out of proportion, yes financial poo went down, but not on the magnitude of a 9-11 disaster...we all have our jobs and theres no martial law.

"hawkeye's" october coup, disaster roth's bringing america to its knees, dissidents being carted off in fema trucks blah blah blah...none of it happened.

and then theres "looking glass" technology that showed hillary and the white house under water etc...obviously thats not happening as well.

Talking about the prediction game...to give credence to Michael St. Clair's prediction about Sarah Palin's timeline as a future President in the United States a Canadian media channel coughed up the news she could be the new President in 2012!
I wonder if the new clothes she bought for this U.S. Election/08 will have worn out by then...!
(Thats why they call me a Cat!)
__________________________________________________ _________
Anything that is not impossible, is mandatory!...Michio Kaku

Frank Samuel

11-07-2008, 05:30 AM

Like most of you I was a little paranoid at the begining especially reading and watching a lot of the interviews in Project Camelot. Slowly but surely I moved out of the doom mentality and began to fight with myself to improve the quality of my life and to reach out to others even if they did not like me much. We all have a panic button, to panic without reason does not make any sense. You have to have hope for yourselves and your loved ones. Soon I realize we create our reality, you either choose to remain a paranoid lunatic or you move on using caution of course, look both ways before crossing the street and all that. The forum is changing no matter how scare we are about an uncertain future. My children represent the best part of me and I refuse to give up without a fight, no matter what happens I am going to enjoy my life, and will try to spread that joy to all four coners of the world. There's too much doom and gloom in it already.:thumb_yello:

clarkkent

11-07-2008, 05:37 AM

[QUOTE=clarkkent;71663]
Talking about the prediction game...to give credence to Michael St. Clair's prediction about Sarah Palin's timeline as a future President in the United States a Canadian media channel coughed up the news she could be the new President in 2012!
I wonder if the new clothes she bought for this U.S. Election/08 will have worn out by then...!
(Thats why they call me a Cat!)
__________________________________________________ _________
Anything that is not impossible, is mandatory!...Michio Kaku

actually he was very concrete about her and the ol "maverick" both winning, and then her eventual takeover when he passed away. on his website he has whole sections devoted to the wonders of Palin and how she and Putin will solve problems together, he points out their nordic/celtic bloodlines (as he is celtic himself...funny how bloodline obsession is big with those "other" guys as well)

when obama won he wrote it off as him not wanting to contribute to that timeline ...i guess you could say that everytime your wrong, "oh i didnt want to talk about that timeline..." he also switched up and said...well in 2012 she will be.... st clair is VERY bummed obama won and seemed to think someone from the religious right who didnt know dinosaurs werent here 4000 years ago, or what countries were in NAFTA, or that africa was a continent...he seemed to think someone with that intellectual prowess should lead the most powerful/dangerous country in the world.

he's under the impression that iran and russia are working with the "good" ol Nordics andthe US i controlled by the greys. he's also implied he thinks david wilcock is a victim of montauk mind control and that dr steven greer who has worked tirelessly on UFO disclosure and now private sector free energy, is a victim of manipulation by greys. he's also stated we are now in the "john titor" timeline...google that name for more on that.

anyhow, i certainly dont vibe with all that, if you think all that sounds groovy thats your choice.

zorgon

11-07-2008, 06:03 AM

is this how people spiritually and mentally prepare themselves?

No this is how those with no life get their jollies... by scaring the c... out of people. Unfortunately there are many people drawn to forums like this that are blank pages... that haven't yet grown enough to be sure about themselves...

These people though they do not even realize it are easily molded...

You want spiritually and mentally preparation? Go out into a quiet forest... and just listen to the forest... go out after a thunderstorm and feel the energy in the air flow through you...

You cannot find enlightenment in here unless you KNOW what you are seeking... there are so many false prophets these days that are generating only kaos and discontent...

How often should these people be correct? 100% of the time :thumb_yello:

If they are only correct 50% of the time they are no more insiders than anyone else here...

If they are less than 50% right... they are just guessing... and if you look around the news its easy to 'guess' if you have a little intelligence

If they are 80% correct.. well maybe they have something worth listening to..

Now how many have been over 50% correct over the last 10 years?

Doomsayers are nothing new... "Beware the Ides of March" Now at least THAT guy had something :lol3: but it was so general that you could not use the info directly.

is this an enlightened forum or a conspiracy version of the evening news? "this JUST in! orange juice...the SECRET killer?!...tune in at 11!!..."

Frankly I see very little 'enlightenment' here... its actually very depressing trying to find a positive message here some days

Oh and I thought it was TANG that was the secret killer :tongue2:

clarkkent

11-07-2008, 06:10 AM

for once im in agreement with you zorgon.

and just to show you folks, look what was written in 1977

Hello, my friends, this is Dr. Beter. Today is February 27,
1977, and this is my monthly AUDIO LETTER(R) No. 21.

" For some time now I have been warning you of the dangers
facing America. Now, time is fast running out. When Jimmy
Carter was inaugurated President on January 20, 1977, a
contingency plan concocted in 1963 was set in motion, and it is
progressing very rapidly. The key to this particular plan was to
be the placement of a completely puppetized president in office
at a time of rapidly-mounting war threats. Under this plan,
inadequate performance by the puppet presidents in the face of
these dire threats is intended to enable a take-over of the
country by Rockefeller-controlled military and CIA inner circles.
In this manner the total dictatorship sought by the four
Rockefeller Brothers is to be brought into being.

We are now faced with the planned threat of NUCLEAR WAR ONE
with the puppet president now on the scene in the person of Jimmy
Carter. Carter continually spouts the Rockefeller line as he
learned it from his participation in their TRILATERAL COMMISSION,
but he has no real grasp at all of what he is involved in.

Meanwhile, the CIA is also being readied for its appointed
role. Nelson Rockefeller has been busy packing key positions in
the CIA with his "new men"; and to facilitate the enlistment of
required military support for the coming Dictatorship, a military
man who is a member of the Rockefeller inner circle, Admiral
Stansfield Turner, has been selected to head the CIA. That's why
the earlier nomination of Ted Sorenson ran into a brick wall--he
ran afoul of a game plan he didn't even know about.

The plan calls for pre-war crisis measures to be used to
condition Americans to accept the elaborate transformation of
America into a total dictatorship, and this pre-war build-up is
going on right now. Ultimately many millions of Americans are to
be annihilated in a Soviet nuclear attack, which is to be carried
out according to rules laid down in secret agreements negotiated
by former Secretary of State Henry Kissinger.

As I revealed in monthly AUDIO LETTER No. 12 for May 1976,
this joint Rockefeller-Soviet war plan includes a super-secret
"NUCLEAR SAFE ZONE" across the upper portion of the continental
United States within which the Rockefellers and their intimates
plan to ride out the war on Mount Desert and Bartlett Islands off
the coast of Maine, right in the heart of the Nuclear Safe Zone.
This Nuclear Safe Zone is merely the nuclear-age equivalent of
the orders which were given to Allied Bombing Commands during
World War II not to damage Rockefeller-owned strategic targets in
Germany. These orders caused such huge important installations
as the I. G. Farben Chemical plants to survive unscathed all the
way through World War II, while other targets and even whole
cities nearby were completely leveled.-- ----------------

fast forward 2008
see any similarities to now? .......

eagle02

11-07-2008, 06:11 AM

It is a good thread
But as I move foreward, I think I will continue to look over my shoulder.
Seems this week is calm but, need to prepare for the options and burn no bridges.

Tricia

11-07-2008, 08:06 AM

Thank God you posted this thread Clark Kent and had the guts to say what lots of people were thinking. I was so disappointed when I heard the short interview of Nov 5th with St Clair. It seems like people are actually disappointed that no earth shattering disasters have come to pass.

I have to admit that I did get caught up in this whole doomsday scenario until I thought my head would explode. But as October came and went and there were so many conflicting scenarios I realized my life and my future are what I make them. I thought that was really the point of taking in all this information – to break free and awaken to our true potential, to create a better world - to live beyond the illusion of the material world. You cannot do that while fixated on doom and gloom and fear - that only contributes to more fear and negativity and keeps you locked into the "game".

TimeIsShort and Harper what you say is so right:

We are undergoing a profound change in human consiousness and the gravity of this cannot be explained in mere words. Fear will bring you just that, something to fear.

Open yourselves to the true reality of things and follow your joy.

If you follow your joy and your love you will find love and joy.
If you follow your fear and your anger you will find just that.

For some people it will feel like a big shift for others perhaps you may wake up in the morning and not notice. We are living in an extended moment set up for this possible shift to include as many as possible.

Some people are ready for another type of experience and they will move and others who are still interested in the ego will remain on another path, but are not doomed either however it will be just more of the same.

There are so few people on the earth who are getting real universal information and the rest are just talking to dead people and they are just like us and some are good and some are not.

So for me I am clearing my head of all these predictions future timelines and remembering my life and my world are what I choose to Create..............:mfr_lol:

mudra

11-07-2008, 09:18 AM

I appreciate your thread Clarkkent,

We create our own reality here and now .
From finding peace within we can find peace without.
Being thrown chaos and fear is also an opportunity to test one's own integrity and balance and to reinforce our spiritual grounds. Preparation in Spirit is where the real challenge lies. There seems sufficient people around this earth that have found their hearts and work from there to allow this planet the safest course possible towards transition.
Let's be gratefull to be on that time line.

Kindness
mudra

Sarahmay

11-07-2008, 02:09 PM

[QUOTE=Starlah;73255]

actually he was very concrete about her and the ol "maverick" both winning, and then her eventual takeover when he passed away. on his website he has whole sections devoted to the wonders of Palin and how she and Putin will solve problems together, he points out their nordic/celtic bloodlines (as he is celtic himself...funny how bloodline obsession is big with those "other" guys as well)

when obama won he wrote it off as him not wanting to contribute to that timeline ...i guess you could say that everytime your wrong, "oh i didnt want to talk about that timeline..." he also switched up and said...well in 2012 she will be.... st clair is VERY bummed obama won and seemed to think someone from the religious right who didnt know dinosaurs werent here 4000 years ago, or what countries were in NAFTA, or that africa was a continent...he seemed to think someone with that intellectual prowess should lead the most powerful/dangerous country in the world.

he's under the impression that iran and russia are working with the "good" ol Nordics andthe US i controlled by the greys. he's also implied he thinks david wilcock is a victim of montauk mind control and that dr steven greer who has worked tirelessly on UFO disclosure and now private sector free energy, is a victim of manipulation by greys. he's also stated we are now in the "john titor" timeline...google that name for more on that.

anyhow, i certainly dont vibe with all that, if you think all that sounds groovy thats your choice.

I'm totally with you on this, ClarkKent. Not vibing with St. Clair at all.

TAXMASTER

11-07-2008, 02:09 PM

most of us are commenting on negativity yet i sence this whole string is just that.

sure everyone now can look and say that it's obvious that the economy is bad, but just remember that many of these people you talk about warned us a year or more in advance.

i am not a palin supporter yet she was transplanted in an instant to the center stage and had no benefit of coaching. you don't just go to the presidential candidate routine without having the benefit of months/years of working with specialists on how to stand, smile, answer questions, stay away from certain topics, etc. if you people think that these candidates are unrehearsed then you are severly wrong. they are polished from years of practice. palin was thrusted into the hotseat. now that she has this national exposure, look for her to work on her weak points and when you see her next time, she will be totally polished, you wait and see. don't count her out in 2012.

i, think everything has pretty much happened as described. most of you do not realize what has just happened to us. we were all pushed off the side of a cliff, and those of you that have not been directly affected are sitting there as the wind is blowing through your hair from the rapid desent of our plunging economy, and are complaining "is this all there is?" well just wait when we hit the rocks on the ground below. this is where i think we are right now, in the air in the middle of a big fall.

Namaste'

Sarahmay

11-07-2008, 02:18 PM

ranma187

11-07-2008, 02:32 PM

I'm glad there was no "october surprise". I always had a feeling nothing would happen. I totally agreed with david wilckocks sentiments and he was right not to invest much in deagle. or the october 14th fiasco. Seriously i won't take any sort of doom prediction seriously until something actually happens.

truthseeker

11-07-2008, 02:51 PM

Hi Folks,

I think Clark raises some excelent points here about sources and predictions.

I like St. Clair's take on astrology (I am a keen student of astrology myself). However, I was never convinced of his predictions regarding McCain and Palin. To be honest I am glad he has been proved wrong. I do not see Palin as enlightened despite having a large stellium of planets in Aquarius. Aquarius is not all good. It is a fixed sign and like all fixed signs (the others being Taurus, Leo and Scorpio) it can present as someone who is stuck in their ways and finds it difficult to change their outlook. To my mind you can not determine a persons worth merely by their astrological chart. One has to take into account genetics, culture and personal history as well, though all these areas should also be reflected in the birth chart to some degree. Each sign and planet (here including the Sun and Moon) can be interpreted on a variety of different levels, depending on where a given individual is at, in their life. Additionally, we each of us have free will. An astrological chart does not take this away from us. Sometimes a harmonic and problem free looking chart can actually lead to the individual taking for granted their inherant potential and, for that very reason, they do not bother to make the effort to fulfil that potential. I think astrologers should be very careful about making specific predictions. There are so many different ways in which a certain set of planetary alignments can manifest, whether that be for a person, group or nation. Having said that it is probably a little easier to make astrological predictions for larger group entities, such as nation states than it is for individual souls like you and I.

I found St.Clair's recent short radio interview very poor. Why doesn't he just admit he got it wrong. For me this has undermined his credibility somewhat.

As for Bill Deagle, well I was not convinced by his horrific predictions, especially after watching him in interview with Kerry and Bill. I think he is stating things as he sees them and that he is being as truthful as he can about his sources. However, I have grave doubts about the reliability of same. Also, he seems too tied into a biblical-type of prophecy, despite his claims of not presenting a religious view. So I had to take his predictions with a pinch of salt.

The HPH predictions are less specific, so it may be that the process predicted did start in early October. We certainly are seeing the worst financial situation since 1929. This time, though it is much bigger and is world wide. So I keep an open mind on the HPH material.

Dan Burish very definitely talks about changing timelines in his looking glass material. So maybe he is right that with Obama now elected as president, we are in a very differnt time line. So at the moment I am giving Burish the benefit of the doubt. Of course the timeline argument is a great excuse for any unfulfilled prophecy or prediction, so it is hard to know what the truth is really. David Wilcock certainly seems to support Burish's ideas.

As Clark said, Wilcock does seem to have come out of it all with his credibility still intact, at least at the moment. He was certainly right about Obama winning th election. However, the real test for Wilcock will be whether Obama performs as Wilcock expects, by beginning to break away from the old way of doing things. I really have grave doubts that Obama will prove any better than his predecessors. However, nobody can be as bad as Bush, can they?

With regard to Alex Collier, I have seen the videos. Whilst I do not think he is a liar or a fraud, I would say much the same for Collier as I would for any individual that is a channel (including Deagle and Wilcock), a contactee (including Billy Meier) or whatever (e.g. Michael St.Clair, who states he is neither a channel or a contactee). I ask this of all of them. How reliable is your source? Just because a source comes from etheric, extraterrestrial, extradimensional or afterlife domains, does not mean it is either reliable or telling us the truth. It may have its own agenda, which is not in the best interests of humanity. The sincere and honest channel or contactee is merely the instrument that the source uses to present its message. Add to this the potential distortions of the message through the messenger (e.g. the personal beliefs and bias of the channeller or contactee), then one can potentially find all sorts of confusing and contradictory information being presented. So it would certainly appear to be the case that none of Collier's Andromeda predictions, as clearly mentioned in his 1996/7 video, appear to have manifested. So again, we must question the accuracy and reliability of the source. I am sure that Collier himself is completly honest and sincere, though I do wonder how he explains the failure of those predictions to manidfest. Perhaps its that time line thing again?

Anyway, the bottom line here for all of us is not to beleive everything we hear, regardless of its source. Practice discernment and discretion. Look within your heart for the truth, not outside yourself.

That my take on things anyway.

Best Wishes

Truthseeker

ghglenn

11-07-2008, 02:54 PM

I see it a little different than most, I guess...
I have been awake to most of this stuff for quite a while, yet I had not acted on it, on the physical side. With all the econ problems, the predictions flooding the web recently, I was motivated to get preparations finished for my family. So, if nothing happens, great...but if a situation arises, we are now much more physically prepared than before. No harm done.

Anticomuna

11-07-2008, 04:00 PM

I am sure that Collier himself is completly honest and sincere, though I do wonder how he explains the failure of those predictions to manidfest. Perhaps its that time line thing again?

I don't take any of these predictions too seriously. This contactee, psychic, channeler business has existed for a long time, and if everything they say had actually come to reality then we would have had many armageddons.

orb

11-07-2008, 04:34 PM

You know you are right, often people are off the mark, because we are basically a fearful lot that have been under stress denied our true nature for thousands of years. Somewhere there is a baseline and we get the middle.

But lets look at this. We are debating the energy being put out there right? Just think about how many people do not even accept there is energy, they are completely oblivious, this is the nature of most of the population.

And somehow they need to be hauled out of their reality, and maybe fear might do it, so as long as they don't take their life, if it causes a shift I support it, but you are on the mark, but what choice do we have.

orwellsbud

11-07-2008, 05:00 PM

The only person who has gotten anything right in regards to world affairs was the much maligned Leo Zagami, he was spot on about Burlesconi and Obama (He should know, he was/is illuminati right?).:wink2: Anyone with an ounce of nounce could have seen the economic crash, it was pretty much running the rumour mills way back at the beginning of 2007. I know there are issues with what has happened with Leo since the Project Camelot interview but perhaps people should pay more heed to what he says. Just a thought!
Discernment is the key people.

P&B
OB:smoke:

Lotus

11-07-2008, 06:12 PM

Adding to what Truthseeker pointed out about Palin and astrology. Our charts are maps, they show potentials and pitfalls. Just because someone has a powerful chart doesn't mean they have the wisdom and experience to run a country.

And power often equates with sociopathic tendencies - they gravitate to top positions in business and politics.

Maybe Ainslie MacLeod's "The Instruction" can illuminate this area. He talks about soul ages, young, old etc., and on his website suggests McCain/Palin are both level 5 souls (more conservative, wanting to rule, not govern), while Obama/Biden are both level 8 souls (older, more developed, more liberal).

Younger souls tend to be more fear based and conservative he suggests. Very interesting!

Peer

11-07-2008, 10:44 PM

When the Berlin Wall fell I predicted America would fall as well.
It really wasn't a prediction but more logical reasoning.

There were two powers then: Russia and US and they were pushing against that wall, each one on his side.
That costed so much money that one day one would have to give up.
The first one to give up was a very wise man Michael Gorbatshov.
He drew away the powers to keep up the Berlin Wall because he saw he needed the powers for his country and keeping up this insane wall took all their power away.

So he withdrew and the wall fell but US could of course not invade Russia
And what happens if you are pushing against something that suddenly draws back?
Right you fall over! Basics of all martial arts.
That is a law of nature and not even the USA can bend that law.
The cold war was very important for the American economy you see and even keeping up the threats was enough to keep the war industry going.
But when the enemy stops being the enemy where will you go with your tanks and your nukes?
Well you can always go to "help" the people in Afghanistan against the russians, the communists, the reds...

Finally the Russians realised that you cannot win a war in Afghanistan unless you ride camels instead of tanks and drew back to spend their energy on internal affairs.
So the Mujahedin were left on their own, enough CIA-money and well CIA-trained, enough arms so the fundamentalist Mujahedin took over Afghanistan and could do whatever they wanted cause nobody cared: Their was no economic interest anymore.
Another war finished.

The war on drugs wasn't spectacular enough so something else had to be created.
And that was "The Terrorist"

Simple, you have to find yourself a new enemy but one who you were sure would not withdraw so you have to create an invisible enemy:
"The Terrorist."
Give him a beard and an AK47, call him Al Quaida and of you go.

(Actually Al Quaida was the name of the computer-bookkeeping-program the CIA used during their connection with the Mujahedin who they supported with money and training in their fight against the Russians in Afghanistan.)

Of course the enemy had to come from the east because that's where the oil is so there you want to walk around and be able to do what you want and take what you want.

Set up an attack, create an enemy and of you go.
Funny that it happened on 9/11 as it also is the alarmtelephonenumber.
TOO COINCIDENTAL

Even superficialy looking at the videos will show that it was a controlled demolition.
WTC 7 even came down without being hit and that was on the news even BEFORE it happened.
Nevertheless 3000 people were sacrifised but it would have been too obvious if the towers would have been totally empty wouldn't it.

Nevertheless a lot of people believed it and gave that puppet on a string they called the president free hand to call out war against the newly created enemy.

Only: If there is no real enemy you have to put up a smokecurtain so you can go on spending money on war, the biggest motor of the American economy.
You simply finance smokescreen AND the fight against it.
Meanwhile you invade a country you want your oil from and give as a reason that it has weapons of massdestruction although everybody knew that was not true but you need the oil.
Alas, that was a mistake and US stuck its neck in a noose they can't get out without loss of face.
But it costs too much to keep it up an America's debt meanwhile has grown so big that it can not be paid back anymore.
Think about that: More money has been spent than there is....

Irony of the whole deal is that the ones that spent all that money are the same persons that collected that same money on the other side....

Because a country like US is big, the fall will go slow, slower than a small business going bankrupt but the fall is inevetable and will be heard much longer than the fall of the twintowers.
In the meantime countries have been ruined, economies crashed, autonome peoples humiliated and thousands have died on both sides..... for a few dollars only....

As far as I can see there is only one solution and that is bringing these war criminals like the Rockefellers, the Bushes, the Rothschilds to justice like in the french revolution (that was also planned and financed by the Rothschilds) and let none of them escape.
Take away their their houses and their immunity and make them do hard labour for the rest of their lives and may they die paupers or else it will start all over again right from the beginning.
Take away their trillions and repair the done damage as good as possible.

Face it, it's over.

America cannot pay its debts unless real justice is being done.

I think it's time for a new American dream, a global one, a happy one.

Anchor

11-16-2008, 07:24 AM

This thread is being repatriated with 19 off-topic posts removed.

Martian Tigress

11-18-2008, 03:30 AM

Am enjoying this thread, Clark! You are definitely correct when you point out that the various October predictions were completely and utterly wrong. I also got a huge laugh out of you mentioning David St. Clair's opinion that Steven Greer (of the Disclosure Project) has been somehow deluded/programmed/whatever by 'little negative gray aliens'. As a Disclosure Project volunteer, I know what a bunch of rubbish that assertion is. It just ties in with my (already very low) opinion of Mr. St. Clair and his 'intuitive' information.

I will also say again (as I have said elsewhere in a couple of your other threads) that I am very suspicious of 1) anyone who starts talking up their Celtic/Nordic/pure bloodlines (as if DNA matters at all in the realm of prediction-- a.k.a. wild conjecture), and 2) anyone who keeps trying to push the 'Nordic/white/human aliens are good and the Gray/runty/lizard-y aliens are bad' stereotype. Since I have heard David St. Clair do both, I am personally suspicious of him and his reasons for 'predicting things'.

Something else that it is very helpful to be aware of with regard to any predictions made using Western-style astrology is that there is a major problem with said standard Western Astrology. Just google the term 'Sidereal Astrology' and you will see what I mean. Standard astrology is riddled with errors, one of which is the misunderstanding that the so-called 'fixed signs' of Taurus, Leo, Scorpio and Aquarius somehow indicate 'fixed personality traits'. This is hogwash. The term 'fixed' was applied to them, because at one time in the past (at the time of ancient Egypt, to be precise), those four signs were the fixed positions of the equinoxes and solstices. They thus fixed the four seasons of the year in the 'heavenly calendar' of the Zodiac.

During the Middle Ages, the Earth's precession had caused the Spring Equinox to 'slip' into Aries (which is where standard Western Astrology still says it is), and presently, it is in Pisces. Thus, the current fixed signs which house the equinoxes/solstices are as follows: Pisces-- Spring Equinox, Gemini-- Summer Solstice, Virgo-- Autumnal Equinox, and Sagittarius-- Winter Solstice. What all this means from a practical astrology perspective is that the Western Zodiac signs are one month off, and most people are actually the sign prior to the Zodiac sign they think they are.

The bottom line is this-- if people are going to use astrology as a predictive mechanism, they need to get it right. The ancients who 'invented' the Zodiac were well aware of precession, and they knew that the seasons would 'slide' through the sky-calendar. That's what their predictive 'ages' or 'eons' are all about: in the Age of Taurus, the Spring Equinox and start of the calendar was in Taurus. We are currently still in the Age of Pisces, though we are nearing its end, when the Spring Equinox will slip into Aquarius.

Personally, I think it would be a good idea for folks to get a good Vedic astrology program (which does take precession into account) and start doing their own predicting, rather than relying on folks who are casting charts that are based on stellar positions at the time of Geoffrey Chaucer and the Canterbury Tales.

Peace,

Martian Tigress

murnut

11-18-2008, 03:39 AM

I just noticed this thread....great job Clark

Yes...many of us saw the economic troubles coming.....my only concern is that it is not over, and it is going to get far, far worse.

I hope I am wrong

777 The Great Work

11-18-2008, 05:03 AM

Forget time lines, the date has been set, there is a plan.
Wednsday and Thursday.:shocked:

Truthsayer

11-18-2008, 05:32 AM

Clark, I find your posts to be really enlightening.

And you are a keen observer of words as well. I applaud you for your observation in the reincarnation/timeline thread.

The "truth" which the whistle-blowers have been "revealing" are hardly the tip of the ice-bergs.

There will never be a doomsday for us unless the majority of the masses put their creative energy into creating one. Which is why the PTB keeps churning out "Fear BS" one after another.

UFOs and doomsday scenarios are only a small fraction of the actual "Truth".

No advanced technology will ever persist against the power of the spiritual.

You think the higher beings in the 5th dimensions and above rely on technology?

Don't make me laugh.

traite

11-19-2008, 11:28 AM

Crakin' thread me thinks.

One thing that I have noticed however in some of the replies is the slightly dogmatic views of individuals who should be more enlightened. OK so alternate timelines ARE real in one persons world but are NOT in mine, or help from our friends above IS probable in someone elses world but is NOT probable in mine.
How about we try some simple General Semantics like MAYBE something is a certain way in someone elses life but is NOT in mine. That way we might be able to avoid the somewhat hostile replies that I have noticed not only in this thread but in others across the forum.
Maybe it is just me and the way that I see things and no one else sees it that way but then again maybe no 2 people see or perceive the world in the same way.
Off to lunch now

Peace and Love to all.:cup:

StClair

11-19-2008, 10:16 PM

Dear Friends

The intent will be proven beyond reproach

Those who have seriously studied LIGHT-SEEDS understand exactly the method at work in my proceedings. They know what the "prediction" was in reality all about.

Had I predicted like everyone else that Ob.. would be "President" of the "USA" - then yes indeed I would agree that the people who in this thread spoke against my integrity could say that I predicted gloom and doom, as you will soon see it ensue as a consequence of his being appointed to the office by his handlers who switched the vote.

I am sure that by now you have figured out who his handlers are. Meet the new boss, same as old boss, ok. McCain was as a matter of fact elected. He will however not be in office now. He will wait and see how the rest of the multi-pronged prediction works out at http://Light-Seeds.com/Palin.html

http://wonkette.com/assets/resources/2007/11/sarah%20palin%20at%20ball.jpg

I have never promoted fear.

Do not ever misunderstand again, or underestimate, the way in which my sources and I work. There are many things I did NOT elaborate on the videos and the audios with Camelot over the past two years, in order to protect my sources, and to keep things simple, upbeat, constructive, and precisely outside of gloom and doom.

The one thing no one will ever accuse me of is to predict gloom and doom. I have shown solutions all the way through the written work I published instead. Read Light-Seeds and it speaks volumes for itself.

In this Neptunian haze of misunderstood concepts and constant global mass brain washing... most or many people around the world (billions) have mistaken their realities, and timelines yes, and truly believed in the words "hope, change" etc. without having the faintest clue who the person was/is who drummed in these void of meaning "memes" for over a year.

You are about to find out who he really is.

You will see in time that my intent will be proven correct, as well as beyond reproach. I am very proud to have resisted the temptation of predicting what my sources told me was planned to see happen. I d rather have one "wrong" prediction than the responsibility of human lives on my resume.

Don't ever mistake an act of high magic for a primitive prediction.

Read LIGHT-SEEDS. I am FREE of the consequences of the action that happened on November 5th because i refused to attach my energy to the event. This was for you to and for Camelot to find out. I never told anyone I am a prophet, Kerry and Bill can attest to that. All I did was help some friends figure out what is relevant to know in the times we live in to create better lives.

((By the way, the guy is not yet in his office. And there are a few more proceedings in the works until then. And after that time, those who predicted his being in office can have the entire responsibility for the prediction - with all that it will entail. And those of you who secretely wished and hoped he would be in office will experience the same: Full responsibility of all the consequences thereafter.))

Think very carefully about the concept of what I explained in the audio of 5 November, and in this post in answer to all, and now new in this link about the hidden mirror. Take it to heart. It is not for the faint-hearted.

Hiding The Obsidian Mirror (http://passage11.com/Mirror.htm)

I was always happy to be of assistance and constructive help to Kerry and Bill. They know they can count on my advice if they wish it, for free. I advised in September 2006 and in May 2008 again, to buy gold. I hope they did it, and I trust you did it too.

http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=3364 advisory thread

If you understood the above and have read the Hidden Obsidian Mirror web site page, you might also want to enjoy this NEW thread, initiated by my friend Zynox at my zone - whom I had the great fortune to meet here.

See: Transformations in Spirit and
Transcending the Current Economy Trap
http://stclairzone.ning.com/forum/topics/transformations-in-spirit-and

Peace
Michael St.Clair

jazzgad

11-19-2008, 10:38 PM

Great post ,that is what was on my mind for last 2 weeks ,and I woke up this morning with a message
I m learning how to move out of my body how about moving out of victims perspective
,the next thought precisely “the new paradigm “ books talks about it over and over
That it is imperative and most important ,but those prophecies promote that kind of
Perspective when I feel powerless waiting for s…t to hit the fence instead of
Meditating and envisioning new paradigm. So in and essence those prediction
Work against us who wants to be free and ether ascend or create here new reality .

That was great lesson of decrement for me and I wont pay that much attention in the future
About such predictions ,there is powerful earth quake in California to supposedly happen
In December ,but we’ll see .

Namaste’ everyone

StClair

11-19-2008, 11:41 PM

Thanks for the kind comment above, that is correct, predictions as such are totally meaningless words. I am glad I can prove I have shown solutions instead of predictions.

At the moment we are inbetween loser and winner paradigms, losers on the one side with their past, that includes Ob.. and his handlers, and the winners with their future/s intact on the other side... that is a very VERY few of us (try two handfuls) -- and most of humanity is in the process of figuring out which is which...

Good luck with that :original:

To the friend who sent me a PM and has not cleared his PM space so my answer did not get back to him, or her, for that matter, here is the answer, in few words:

"Thanks for your PM

Ok well I guess the highest good or visual to work with for focus is Sun Light. Star Lights, the sea scape, planet earth as seen from space, things of that nature, that is what works for me, and always imagine yourself wrapped in a bubble of light, blue, gold or white light, enveloped in it all the time in the form of either a sphere or an egg... like "StarChild" in 2001 Space Odyssey. Those are some of the ways i know of to achieve what you asked... most of these things are in my book. Very best wishes to you.

Peace"

M StC.

Magii

11-20-2008, 12:13 AM

you can never be wrong here ...

Always right, never wrong - should be a new Moto ..

Always another timeline, another doom, another person, another thing, another ego, another business scheme // ongoing , around and around

~~

:sneaky2:

Truthsayer

11-20-2008, 04:46 AM

[Ad-hominmen, insulting and disrespectful text removed - A..]

let me ask you then..

1) Can you change your body into a body of light as per the Tibetan monks? Do you [A..] know how the methodology for changing your body into light?

2) Can you create matter in this 3rd dimension from the 5th dimension as per the Thai Buddhist monks?

3) Do you know to how to heal with your bare hands or even set a piece of paper on fire with your bare hands? Eg. John Chang

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aos0hnwiHt8

4) Do you know how to take out kidney stones out of a sick man just with your bare hands? Search psychic surgery on the Net.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4tC1XyY26SQ

Do you [A..] know how such methodology works?

5) Do you know that the planets which your astrology charts are based on are actually Higher Beings? Souls who have evolved into planets?

I can go on and on and on. As I said, your little astrology charts, while being true and useful, are just the tip of the icebergs.

It is true the planets do have an influence on our lives but it is also true, that if you have access to the right knowledge, one can tap the power of the creator through various means to create our own destiny and timeline.

Obama gonna crush the world? [ Disrepectful text removed - A..]

Humans, puny humans, ignorant humans.

Only puny ignorant humans will think of themselves as masters of the universe who "know and control everything" when in fact, they are like the lowest of the food-chain in terms of soul-evolution.

You know what, I can just feel your Higher Selves laughing their socks off [ insults removed A.. ] right now.

[Truthsayer - I dont want to delete this post, but I have had a go at redacting the nasty parts of it - You also have a Private Message detailing the infraction - A..]