Why I feel Obama is for Real

[Truthsayer]

I was thinking to myself if it is the right thing for me to post this.

When I logged in a few seconds ago, the Control Panel said "You last visited: Today at 11:11 AM"

Talk about Synchronicities..

Anyway, Here goes.

I think Obama is the real deal because he is black and the PTB are predominately white.

The Rockefellers, Rothschilds and The British Royal Family are all white. No way in hell would they wanna put a Black man as the President of the United States. If they did, this would go down as the mistake of the centuries

Now, before you say I am racist, I have plenty of friends of every colour and creed.

No way am I saying that white people are evil or good. Nor am I saying that black people are evil or good.

There are good and bad individuals in every Human race and every ET race.

But The PTB have had a white supremacist agenda for millennia and having a black man in power, a man whose race have been slaves to the white folk only two centuries ago, this is a MAJOR slap to their face.

This is also a sign from the Divine that the time has come for the entire world population who have been under the tyranny of the PTB for so long..

This is a sign that it is time for each and every single individual of every race and colour to step up to the plate and become their own master, to become a God in their own right.

I am proud of Nov 4. It is a day which not only changed the US but it is a day which changed the entire world as well.

[SplatPantZ]

I am proud of Nov 4. It is a day which not only changed the US but it is a day which changed the entire world as well.

This is my feeling also Truthsayer, Lets hope we have "Change" for the better!

[AussieG]

Just a thought!
If we assume that the ptb have been and still are in control, then perhaps having a black president would bring on support that they didn't enjoy before, not only in the US world wide. The test is will he play their game and implement their agenda or dine with JFK.:sweatdrop:

[swordsmith]

oh man, you Obaaah-ma luvvers really crack me up. Gonna join his hitler /oops /obama youth army, too?
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=g-zz_uHv_PQ

oh and we need a civilian army, too.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Tt2yGzHfy7s

yep, that smells like love all right.

[Truthsayer]

Until the day Obama order the detention of a certain group of society, I will continue to believe in him.

Because he is the first leader so far, not only in the US but in other parts of the world as well..

He is the first leader to have asked for unity between the races, between left and right..

Almost every other leader I have seen have tried to divide and conquer but not Obama.

He is asking for "All One" and that is why he is a Leader of the Light.

Hitler ordered his youth brigade to round up the Jews. Hitler advocated the supremacy of White Germans.

Has Obama done any of that **** so far? I don't think so.

[Mikill]

I'm from Iowa and saw this guy from the beginning.Hillary was the PTB candidate, Obama upset the gameplan.Obama is for real.I hope he's smart enough to keep from being manipulated.

[Seeker Mom]

He was elected by sheer media bias and cult of personality over-kill, the extreme unpopularity of George W Bush, and not to mention the $600 million dollars he spent. It's no miracle. That is extremely obvious to me after watching politics carefully since the 70's. If you doubt this then you have indeed been brainwashed.

As far as TPTB being upset that Obama was elected because he is half-black, I believe the exact opposite is true. They are being very clever in choosing this self-proclaimed different candidate. If he fails to go along with their plans he will indeed become the next JFK or Lincoln, or at least be given the Bill Clinton smear treatment. Those comparisons of Obama to our fallen leaders have made me very uncomfortable from day one.

Yes, we will be experiencing change. Just what kind of change is now the question.

[Anticomuna]

He is the first leader to have asked for unity between the races, between left and right..

You clearly don't know much of the world.

US politics is divisive, and even if the official speeches of Obama talked about unity, his minions attacked anybody who disagreed with him accusing them of racism or worse.

[Truthsayer]

Time will prove anything.

We shall see who Obama really is.

[Hazzy]

Tptb Have chosen obama for a few reasons in my opinion.

1- Think about what would happen if obama gets assassinated ...
I think there would be mass riots and thats all they need to place
the US in the martial law scenario.

2- They also prefer a black person to a white one to announce the
bankrupcy of the US monetary system.

I am hoping for the best though.

[Subsonik]

I sencerly hope he is. I'm starting to have a much better feeling about him, alhtough some of his proposed whitehouse staff give me the creeps, as do the ones who've funded him and given him training. Something within Obama does resonate with me but I feel like the others will try anything they can to control him.

Let's hope he's the right man for the job. Either way, I'm very happy that McCain didn't win!

[raulduke]

I think Obama is the real deal because he is black and the PTB are predominately white.

The Rockefellers, Rothschilds and The British Royal Family are all white. No way in hell would they wanna put a Black man as the President of the United States

No perhaps not, but they wouldn't mind laying blame at his feet, just as they did not mind laying blame at the feet of any other president. All presidents are thoroughly vetted by those really in charge, and used exactly as puppets.
You cannot be seriously giving this man carte blanche because of his race.
As I'm sure you know, no race is inherently good or bad.

It's like Hick's said.

Guy 1: "I like the puppet on the left."

Guy 2:"Well the puppet on the right is more to my liking"

Guy3:"Hey! There's only guy operating two puppets"


Look, the only question here imo is not about race or signs from the divine, It is can Barak resist some extreme pressure, and I mean awful, awful, extreme pressure? His options are more limited than we can imagine I feel.

The PTB certainly realized the masses need to experience "real change", so they threw the old dog McCain a bone and let him take a dive.
Hillary wouldn't have worked either because of the Clinton connection and that wouldn't have been enough change to throw the mildly suspicious off their scent.

So they gave you what you wanted. The impossible. A black man could never have been elected even 8 years ago, but now since a black man has been elected, he simpy must be trusted for that reason alone?

I'm certainly not saying you're a racist, but this is basicly the definition of prejudice in the strict definition of the word, which is not always a negative cannotation.

You have pre judged someone based on a trait that in actuality has very little bearing upon what makes a human, a human.

C'mon man, please do your homework. Obama is Status Quo all the way.
But he is a different color, so he must be a good man, right?

I hope to hear him call for a repeal of patriot act 1 and 2.

I hope to hear him call for a real investigation of 9/11.

I hope to hear him speak about the corrupt Fed.

I hope to hear him say he will repeal the ominous presidential directives that will soon be at his disposal.

I hope to hear him explain or denounce his ZB connection.

I hope to hear him change his aggressive and misguided foriegn policy. (God help the people of Pakistan in the next 6 months.)

I hope all of that w/ everything in me, but I'm not crossing my fingers just yet.

If you can refute these things, i would certainly be interested, because he hasn't addressed any of it from what I've seen.

I think Bill put it pretty well,

We shall see if he is his own man.

Judge the man on his actions and not speculation.

I await his first actions in office before I will begin to form my opinion, as I have agreed to wipe the slate clean and give this man a chance, of course I'll watch like a hawk.

[raulduke]

He is the first leader to have asked for unity between the races, between left and right..


Wow.

I guess I missed that the first time.

Are you serious, or is this some sort of metaphor for something else?

Because if you are serious, then I'm pretty sure I could drum up a few thousand examples of "leaders asking for unity between the races, between left and right..."

It is all they friggin talk about man. All of them. It's what you want to hear. And have you seen it yet?

I do admire your faith, but, "I beseech you in the bowels of christ, think it possible you may be mistaken."


Faith is good to have in your friends and family because you know them and have had interactions from which they gained your faith. I have faith in my parents, my siblings, and many of my friends, but only beacuse I truly know them.
I defy anyone here to vome foreward who has any personal interactions w/ Obama.
Until then we can only form opinions based on his public actions, which imo do not warant blind faith.

You must have a decent bullsh*t detector if you have found your way here to Avalon, so do your homework and fire up the old bullsh*t detector. Obama should really set it off.

What has changed for me is my ideas about the people who voted for Obama. I am overjoyed to see so many who want to see not just change but a better way, but Obama has only offered "change" thus far.

When he diverts from the status quo, addresses all the legit concerns I mentioned, and then offers a plan real change, then I will jump on your bandwagon full force. But I realise that is a very tall order fro any politician.

I'm sorry that I have been somewhat aggressive here, but I am so wary of the repercussions of politicians that have the ability to elicit blind faith, no matter what they look like.

[Kundaflower]

Hello you all...:tongue2:

Those of you who know Webster Tarpley (and why not others too) look what he had say about Obama and men behind him....:trumpet:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MouUJNG8f2k
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-KJCMWcoms&feature=related

kf...:smoke:

[trainedobserver]

>...because he is black and the PTB are predominately white.

That is an illusion my friend. Do not buy into it. Think clearly about this issue.

Obama is in fact multiracial with 50% Caucasian from his mother's side. His father is a Luo Kenyan reported to be 43.75% Arabic and 6.25% Black. Even if Obama's father were 100% Black it would still leave him 50% Caucasian.

What race is Mr. Obama? He is of mixed race. His racial identity is ARBITRARY. His outward appearance reflects that fact. He CHOOSES to identify with the portion of genetic material he got from his father. He CHOOSES to do so for political and cultural REASONs that he feels benefits himself.

Contemplate these facts and realize what is actually going on in this matter of "ethnicity".

It is my sincere hope that Obama becomes a good president. We need one badly. He is however a flawed human being surrounded by other flawed human beings. The complexity of human society has increased to such an extent as to be considered to be a runaway train. Deep down I realize it it does matter who is at the controls even if our course and speed are beyond our sphere of influence, however I recognize that the "PTB" own Obama as much as they owned the Bushes, Clinton, Reagon, Carter, Ford, Nixon, and LBJ.

I think the expectations of Obama expressed by some are terribly unrealistic and will be have to either adjusted or they will suffer great disappointment in the months ahead.

>He is the first leader to have asked for unity between the races, between left and right..

That is an uninformed statment. Please google The Civil Rights Movement. Study the Civil Rights Movement in the United States. Look up what John and Bobby Kennedy were doing in that arena. Obama is hardly the first nor will he be the last.

[Orion Morris]

I'm from Iowa and saw this guy from the beginning.Hillary was the PTB candidate, Obama upset the gameplan.Obama is for real.I hope he's smart enough to keep from being manipulated.

The Clintons endorsed Obama...

They are funded by the same money..

How is Obama really different....

He is still in their system...

What makes you think that the ptb have switched....

America is more sensationalized than ever before...

Of course they have to put a sensational puppet in place now to keep you people sedated.

[777 The Great Work]

This is my feeling also Truthsayer, Lets hope we have "Change" for the better!

When the ego is martyered the internal revolution of self reflection and facing ones demons in the dark night of the soul takes place causing an internal revolution, mirrors so to speak. these physicological mirrors are associated with the month of november which has a numerical value of nine. The letter R in mirrors equals 18 which is 9 mirrored. He was put there to cause external revolution.

[Swinging Green Tablet]

How could a man talking of war ever have CHANGE for the better?!

It's a CHAIN that one day will be broken...

[777 The Great Work]

How could a man talking of war ever have CHANGE for the better?!

It's a CHAIN that one day will be broken...

Matter opposes all things but it is that opposition that makes all growth possible. these are the pains of birth not of death. Its the way we view things. Aliced looked in the mirror before she went through the doors of perception. Its only fear if you are afraid. AWARENESS

[mntruthseeker]

Originally they wanted Colin Powell to run and he said he wanted no part of it. I heard him say this on national TV. I want to say it was to Larry King. No part of what kept running through my head. This keeps running through my head when I try to imagine what is going to happen next. I will never forget that Colin Powell lied to us and openly admitted it. I kept telling myself......so now he is going to step in and help Obama defeat all of them, which is wishful thinking but one with the ending we all want.

Yes its true, they wanted a black man in power. How many of you know that Jesse Jackson is also a member of the 13 bloodlines? Check it out. He also ran for president. The color of your skin doesn't make it right or wrong . A plan is a plan One more thing you will find out is that many many of the people within the bloodlines have adopted out their child to hide their heritage!

This plan has been in placed for years and years. To even think that the game plan has changed would be a joke but a wonderful thought We must not let our guards down and continue to pray for the change we need

Has anyone read up on the new Denver airport? Here is a small part of it.

An African woman in colorful native garb; a Native American woman who's heritage the airport's art supposedly celebrates; a blonde girl with cupid bow lips, a Star of David on her chest and a bible in her hands. Each lay dead in open coffins for your viewing pleasure. A burning city, children sleeping on piles of bricks, a line of mourning women in rags with dead babies, limp in their arms. A huge, looming military figure in a gas mask brandishes a sword and machine gun. Part of an actual note written by a child interred in a Nazi death camp. Strange words embedded in the floor with no explanation about what they mean. Welcome to Denver Internatinal Airport!

They have closed down the site due to The Truth Be Told not folllowing wordpress guidelines.

I kept alot of their files and downloaded them to keep for history. What I wrote is just a drop in the information that I had gotten off that site.

So this is part of their plan. I keep wondering how this whole turn of events will be played out

Who really knows anymore, we just have to pray for the ending that we all really want

[Orion Morris]

Their is a Denver Airport thread... If you search for it I am srue you can find the pictures... Place is f**in crazy... Its the only airport I have ever been to.

[777 The Great Work]

Originally they wanted Colin Powell to run and he said he wanted no part of it. I heard him say this on national TV. I want to say it was to Larry King. No part of what kept running through my head. This keeps running through my head when I try to imagine what is going to happen next. I will never forget that Colin Powell lied to us and openly admitted it. I kept telling myself......so now he is going to step in and help Obama defeat all of them, which is wishful thinking but one with the ending we all want.

Yes its true, they wanted a black man in power. How many of you know that Jesse Jackson is also a member of the 13 bloodlines? Check it out. He also ran for president. The color of your skin doesn't make it right or wrong . A plan is a plan One more thing you will find out is that many many of the people within the bloodlines have adopted out their child to hide their heritage!

This plan has been in placed for years and years. To even think that the game plan has changed would be a joke but a wonderful thought We must not let our guards down and continue to pray for the change we need

Has anyone read up on the new Denver airport? Here is a small part of it.

An African woman in colorful native garb; a Native American woman who's heritage the airport's art supposedly celebrates; a blonde girl with cupid bow lips, a Star of David on her chest and a bible in her hands. Each lay dead in open coffins for your viewing pleasure. A burning city, children sleeping on piles of bricks, a line of mourning women in rags with dead babies, limp in their arms. A huge, looming military figure in a gas mask brandishes a sword and machine gun. Part of an actual note written by a child interred in a Nazi death camp. Strange words embedded in the floor with no explanation about what they mean. Welcome to Denver Internatinal Airport!

They have closed down the site due to The Truth Be Told not folllowing wordpress guidelines.

I kept alot of their files and downloaded them to keep for history. What I wrote is just a drop in the information that I had gotten off that site.

So this is part of their plan. I keep wondering how this whole turn of events will be played out

Who really knows anymore, we just have to pray for the ending that we all really want

The esoteric field of spirituality is concerned with direct experience of reality. It begins where the exoteric path ends. The people who work in this field are slightly mad: they seek to shed the hallucination of separate existence and to disappear into the effulgent visions of channelers and sages. The esoteric path is one of self-transcendence, the only real hope for humanity. It does not promise a reward: it is the promise, it is the reward.

The exoteric path does not penetrate the mystery of life directly, but only prepares one for that leap into the unknowable mulch-mound of ecstatic silence and loving. The exoteric path is concerned with establishing conditions and outcomes. The esoteric path is not interested in establishing any condition other than recognition of that seed from which the crop of the universe has grown; it has no outcome other than to eradicate ignorance, delusion, and suffering. The esoteric path penetrates the mystery of life directly, and dangerously, through self-transcendence. when we are still concerned with outcomes, there is no self-realization .

[Gnosis5]

Hello you all...:tongue2:

Those of you who know Webster Tarpley (and why not others too) look what he had say about Obama and men behind him....:trumpet:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MouUJNG8f2k
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-KJCMWcoms&feature=related

kf...:smoke:


So, with Obama in office the hotspot will be Pakistan, Russia, China.

Obama is a Leo/Ox and so was Napoleon. There have been charges that he is bisexual and smokes crack/cocaine and I would like to know the truth.

[Mark]

Unless Obama goes against his masters and runs the risk of getting shot, the same old agenda is going to be played out - have you looked at his advisors lately - I see a Bilie 'Bob' Clinton in there somewhere - unless he has truly tricked the NWO mob into making them believe he is one of them and he's one of us, then really it's just going to get worse - he's already stated that he is going to do things that the world will not like. Another time to wake up guys an gals

[777 The Great Work]

Unless Obama goes against his masters and runs the risk of getting shot, the same old agenda is going to be played out - have you looked at his advisors lately - I see a Bilie 'Bob' Clinton in there somewhere - unless he has truly tricked the NWO mob into making them believe he is one of them and he's one of us, then really it's just going to get worse - he's already stated that he is going to do things that the world will not like. Another time to wake up guys an gals
If you saw the movie vantage point they had a double of the assasinated prez which leads to the beast that recieved the head wound but appeared to be healed.

[371]

They way I see it Obama has three choices:
1. Bow to his PTB overlords
2. Do what's 'right' and get assasinated, become a martyr (ala JFK, MLK, Medgar Evers)
3. Try to play both sides of the fence.

I think number three is by far the most likeley. Though I think there is a possibility that he may be 'martyred' regardless as a means to lead into martial law.

[efields]

Well whatever the underlying PTB shenanigans are operating here I for one am way relieved so far. With the former administration I was feeling like I could not wait to get the heck out of this country. Now I feel a great wave of peace in my soul that the bad energy is really broken. The world is pleased as hell with this country for the first time in 8 years and I'm not embarrassed to be here!. Of course we will see how it all plays out as time progresses but for now I just wanna jump up and down I'm so relieved That Neo-con is busted, and for a little while at least Im not embarrassed to be a member of this Country. Thank God. It feels soo wonderful for the chance that things may get respectable once more, and the world is not hating us. I'm breathing MUCH easier . Thank You, Obahma. I only hope these feelings are maintained for a good long 2 terms. :welcomeani: What a shift in Energy from the former Administration, I almost can't believe it. Welcome Mr. President.

[Orion Morris]

How can you believe that the current system is flawed and then think that we changed it by voting...
Look at who you voted for... The most publicized, propigated, neo-con funded canidated in history... He is the perfect puppet for brainwashed America... You think that the PTB dont know how upset even the sleeping people were with the government... They know how to keep us in line... that is why they gave us a new different puppet... he had to be different or their would have been a revolution....

Quit buying into this ****



Well whatever the underlying PTB shenanigans are operating here I for one am way relieved so far. With the former administration I was feeling like I could not wait to get the heck out of this country. Now I feel a great wave of peace in my soul that the bad energy is really broken. The world is pleased as hell with this country for the first time in 8 years and I'm not embarrassed to be here!. Of course we will see how it all plays out as time progresses but for now I just wanna jump up and down I'm so relieved That Neo-con is busted, and for a little while at least Im not embarrassed to be a member of this Country. Thank God. It feels soo wonderful for the chance that things may get respectable once more, and the world is not hating us. I'm breathing MUCH easier . Thank You, Obahma. I only hope these feelings are maintained for a good long 2 terms. :welcomeani: What a shift in Energy from the former Administration, I almost can't believe it. Welcome Mr. President.

[efields]

How can you believe that the current system is flawed and then think that we changed it by voting...
Look at who you voted for... The most publicized, propigated, neo-con funded canidated in history... He is the perfect puppet for brainwashed America... You think that the PTB dont know how upset even the sleeping people were with the government... They know how to keep us in line... that is why they gave us a new different puppet... he had to be different or their would have been a revolution....

Quit buying into this ****
Well my feelings tell me different. It shouldn't take much time to see how it will play out. Keep an open mind. Try not judging till some time and space has occurred and we see who he really is. We shall see the truth as time progresses. All I know is I feel way different than I did before he was elected. We will see if my feelings have been misplaced. I am open to 'truth' not hate mongering, fear, and bias and opinions. It is very difficult to Hide In Plain Site. It is sometimes accomplished, but not for to long a period...

[Orion Morris]

Would you trust Dick Cheny if he ran...
Would you trust Al Gore again..
Would you trust Bill Clinton....
Colon Powell...
on and on and on They all are with Obama they support him...

He is going to put peopel from the federal reserve on his cabnet...

No chances for this man... I cant do it... I am not afraid... I am not hate mongering..

I am just saying we have to quit believing in their shams..

[Swinging Green Tablet]

Agree with you Orion Morris!

Bad guy, good guy...

[371]

Would you trust Dick Cheny if he ran...
Would you trust Al Gore again..
Would you trust Bill Clinton....
Colon Powell...
on and on and on They all are with Obama they support him...


Well I wouldn't mind Clinton (BILL Clinton that is), Al Gore is a bit of a loon, Dick and Colon are funny names:naughty:.

I see your point but as I said on another thread, you're NEVER gonna get into the white house without selling out to the PTB on some level. And granted, Obama is too 'cool'- he's definetly fooling many about how 'good' he is.

That being said I still think he was by far the best bet when compared to Hillary, Mcain, or Palin. I voted for Obama and I doubt I'll regret it.

[Gnosis5]

I hope that the huge voter turnout means that Americans are going to be watching Obama and his appointees more closely and making sure they get the change that they voted for. They did not vote for Obama, they voted for change, right?

[371]

I hope that the huge voter turnout means that Americans are going to be watching Obama and his appointees more closely and making sure they get the change that they voted for. They did not vote for Obama, they voted for change, righ?

Good point!:thumb_yello:

[Orion Morris]

Do you believe they are individuals... because their not... they are part of the machine...
just different pieces...
f**k Bill Clinton...

[Mark]

777, I can believe that they migt try that also - nothing shocks me now...

[KassandraLoves]

I hope that the huge voter turnout means that Americans are going to be watching Obama and his appointees more closely and making sure they get the change that they voted for. They did not vote for Obama, they voted for change, right?

LOVE IT. You rock.

[btsumm]

Greetings brothers and sisters of light...

I writing to you for a very special purpose...

The election of Obama will be what WE make it...

Please realize that your view of the situation has a direct influence on the out come...

So if you see Obama's Presidency as negative, then that is what you will experience...

BUT! If you just think...or better yet, DREAM!!!

Dream of a future where all mankind are united in Oneness and understanding...that WE make this reality...

WE MAKE OUR OWN HAPPINESS
WE MAKE OUR OWN DREAMS
WE MAKE OUR OWN LOVE
WE ARE LOVE

Awaken to reality my friends...awaken to the fact that you too are a being of light and your joy...your love...your eternal happiness is just a thought away...

Much love,
Brian

[KassandraLoves]

Greetings brothers and sisters of light...

I writing to you for a very special purpose...

The election of Obama will be what WE make it...

Please realize that your view of the situation has a direct influence on the out come...

So if you see Obama's Presidency as negative, then that is what you will experience...

BUT! If you just think...or better yet, DREAM!!!

Dream of a future where all mankind are united in Oneness and understanding...that WE make this reality...

WE MAKE OUR OWN HAPPINESS
WE MAKE OUR OWN DREAMS
WE MAKE OUR OWN LOVE
WE ARE LOVE

Awaken to reality my friends...awaken to the fact that you too are a being of light and your joy...your love...your eternal happiness is just a thought away...

Much love,
Brian

....and THAT is why brian rocks.

[Truthsayer]

http://www.nesara.us/pages/deathbed_confession.htm

According to Otto Skorzeny, pictured is the Scherff family and a few friends (circa 1938). Holding “Mother" Scherff’s hand at left is Martin Bormann. In front is Reinhardt Gehlen. In back is Joseph Mengele and to his right is Skorzeny as a young man. At center right (in the German navy uniform) is George H. Scherff, Jr. and his father George H. Scherff, Sr. Bormann became Hitler’s second in command. Reinhardt Gehlen was a chief SS officer and assassin who was smuggled out of Germany under Operation Paperclip. Skorzeny was Hitler's bodyguard and SS spy/assassin who came to the U.S. after the war under Project Paperclip. Skorzeny and GHW Bush were instrumental in merging Nazi (SS) intelligence with the OSI to form the CIA with "Wild Bill" Donovan and Allen Dulles. These guys were also part of CIA mind control experiments such as MK-ULTRA. SS officer and physician Joseph Mengele, the notoriously sadistic “Angel of Death” of Auschwitz, escaped Germany to South America after the war. George H. Scherff, Jr., became the 41st President of the United States as GHW Bush and George H. Scherff, Sr., was Nicola Tesla’s “trusted assistant.”

[Truthsayer]

The PTB have always wanted the whites to be the masters of society.

A perverse part of me is actually thinking this..

If Obama is really a stooge of the PTB, I would love to see him betray his soul and continue to oppress the non-whites of the world.

In fact, I dare Obama to pass a law to enslave all the African Americans in the US again if he is a stooge of the PTB.

Talk about irony.

[YLG]

The last weeks of October as i spent so much time listening to what brought fear to my heart both here and other places, I realized it wouldn't matter what happened because I was headed for a collapse. One night when I thought I just couldn't go on becuase I felt so depressed and so exhausted between the digesting of all that is going on and caring for my 94 yr mom.

That night my heart reminded me of heart rhythm meditation and I spent most of the night listening to a tape to get be back into focusing on my heart. Since then not only am I not as depressed and able to keep living, because afterall if we destroy ourselves with fear and negativity, it won't matter what the NWO does or the rest of the "evil ones".

I have come to see that the mind and the brain sees things in black and white and very linear, and the heart can see predator and prey come together.

A steady digest of what brings our hearts fear does us no good and does not in the end empower us...at least it didn't empower me. It is very possible that by entertaining and re-enforcing all the negativity we hear that we are actually part of the problem. Unless we stop believe in consciousness?

I don't deny there is stuff going on, but there is higher stuff going on as well. The question is how can we be part of the "higher stuff"? Is it feed ourselves constantly with information that scares our hearts? and robs of the much needed energy to actually see clearly and hear our own heart's intuition.

I don't believe in Obama, I am not brain washed. I believe in what I have sense and felt in the man and what others who are far more evolved than I am have seen. Is he perfect? NO. Does he have to play ball with the powers that be to a certain extent, yes. Does he have the intelligence and genuine caring to help in whatever way he can...I think he does.

We need to send him good thoughts, good energy and not support the dark side in him or others by making claims or stating things of which we really have very little clue.

yvonne

[Myra]

Hello you all...:tongue2:

Those of you who know Webster Tarpley (and why not others too) look what he had say about Obama and men behind him....:trumpet:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MouUJNG8f2k
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-KJCMWcoms&feature=related

kf...:smoke:

YIKES! :shocked:

[Rebel4Life]

I was thinking to myself if it is the right thing for me to post this.

When I logged in a few seconds ago, the Control Panel said "You last visited: Today at 11:11 AM"

Talk about Synchronicities..

Anyway, Here goes.

I think Obama is the real deal because he is black and the PTB are predominately white.

The Rockefellers, Rothschilds and The British Royal Family are all white. No way in hell would they wanna put a Black man as the President of the United States. If they did, this would go down as the mistake of the centuries

Now, before you say I am racist, I have plenty of friends of every colour and creed.

No way am I saying that white people are evil or good. Nor am I saying that black people are evil or good.

There are good and bad individuals in every Human race and every ET race.

But The PTB have had a white supremacist agenda for millennia and having a black man in power, a man whose race have been slaves to the white folk only two centuries ago, this is a MAJOR slap to their face.

This is also a sign from the Divine that the time has come for the entire world population who have been under the tyranny of the PTB for so long..

This is a sign that it is time for each and every single individual of every race and colour to step up to the plate and become their own master, to become a God in their own right.

I am proud of Nov 4. It is a day which not only changed the US but it is a day which changed the entire world as well.

How can you call yourself a truthsayer if you still fall victim to the game of politics? "because he is black" good reason why they wouldn't let him become president. Race has nothing to do with it. As long as your bought and paid for like a good puppet they won't do anything to stop you from running.
Here is an article to wake you up that this is a ONE PARTY SYSTEM: http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread409464/pg1 not only that but the people behind him like Brzezinski : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJTv2nFjMBk just saying that if people really wanted change every single American would have marched into Washington and firing every single politician there is...starting over...:smoke:

[371]

Racism... MacGyver doesn't play it... (http://www.ebaumsworld.com/video/watch/1046792/)

[Ashatav]

I feel fine with obama

Because that is we must fell because he used a LOT of neurolinguistic programing when he speaks (http://www.clayandiron.com/announcements.jhtml?method=view&announcements.id=53)

I feel fine with obama

Just like the germans with his own messianic figure 70 years ago.

Hail!

But allways look at the bright side of life!

[bluestix]

I think Obama is the real deal because he is black and the PTB are predominately white.

The Rockefellers, Rothschilds and The British Royal Family are all white. No way in hell would they wanna put a Black man as the President of the United States. If they did, this would go down as the mistake of the centuries

Now, before you say I am racist, I have plenty of friends of every colour and creed.

No way am I saying that white people are evil or good. Nor am I saying that black people are evil or good.

There are good and bad individuals in every Human race and every ET race.

But The PTB have had a white supremacist agenda for millennia and having a black man in power, a man whose race have been slaves to the white folk only two centuries ago, this is a MAJOR slap to their face.





The American Express was a slave ship.

Now American Express has a black CEO.

Don't you see the hilarious irony in that?

The PTB do.

[Gnosis5]

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[Anticomuna]

If Obama is really a stooge of the PTB, I would love to see him betray his soul and continue to oppress the non-whites of the world.

In fact, I dare Obama to pass a law to enslave all the African Americans in the US again if he is a stooge of the PTB.

Talk about irony.

You are such a racist. You follow eugenic notion of "white". Blonde and blue-eyed. So there are only "whites" in the US and Nothern Europe?

So Obama will only be the same old if he passes a law enslaving African Americans (that only in the US, because this is an abstraction created there. There are no African Americans anywhere other than there)? Does it make any f**cking sense? Your mind is too narrow. You are not seeing the big picture. Much is already in place from the Bush administration, and by the Obama standard behavior we can securely say that he won't do any "controversial" or bold move, because he is not bold, he is not a leader.

News for you. Outside of the US nobody gives a flying f**k about this stupid vendetta of blacks against whites in the US! Maybe some leftists here and there, but definitely not the people.

EDIT: The guy divides the world between "whites" and "non-whites". I think I am going to vomit!

[Truthsayer]

Funnily enough, the PTB with their white supremacist agenda have no hesitation about enslaving their own white people if it comes down to preserving their own power.

Here's to the PTB.

A Black man with his soldiers of every race, every colour will kick your supremacist ass out on the streets soon enough.

It is about race for the PTB.

What's the race of the banking families, the Rothchilds and Rockefellers?

What's the race of the Bush families?

It was and always will be about race and supremacy for the PTB.

Why has Africa been torn so apart? Why is the Middle East in so much ****? Please don't tell me the CIA has no hand in this matter.

Luckily the Russians and Asians have managed to remain strong and are now leading the fightback.

A Black president to kick out the White Supremacists.

A former Slave to bring down the Slave Masters.

Talk about Irony.

[Truthsayer]

For so many thousands years, war have been created by a certain race or a certain country to exert their supremacy over others.

For so many thousand years, war have been created by FOOLS because they believe their colour is better than others.

For so many thousand years, kings and emperors have managed to garner the loyalty of their people by frightening them with fears about others.

Just like how the WORMS of DARKNESS are trying to stir fear about a former slave leading the uprising.

Watch out, the worms of darkness. The Light has lead the charge and the gates of freedom are breaking.

Obama be calling for unity. Obama be calling for withdrawal from Iraq.

Rome isn't build in a single day.

Chess isn't won in a single move.

The Light has began to encircle the Darkness and soon The Light will choke the life out of the Darkness.

The Final Battles have began.

[Anticomuna]

A Black man with his soldiers of every race, every colour will kick your supremacist ass out on the streets soon enough.

Whose ass? He is a mixed race president, not black. His mother was white. He has the same blood as those you hate, remember that.


It is about race for the PTB.

What's the race of the banking families, the Rothchilds and Rockefellers?

What's the race of the Bush families?

It was and always will be about race and supremacy for the PTB.


They are bad people, but it doesn't mean all whites are bad. This judgement by race is racist!



A Black president to kick out the White Supremacists.

A former Slave to bring down the Slave Masters.

Talk about Irony.

Your mixed race president will do as his master says. He has done so throughout his career.

[Anticomuna]

For so many thousands years, war have been created by a certain race or a certain country to exert their supremacy over others.
...
The Final Battles have began.

Dude, you need a shrink.

You are taking everything very personally. The history of the world will be what it will be. Although we can control our own lives, we don't have power over other people's lives, countries or the planet. Things will follow what people make of them. So focus on doing the right thing and hope that others follow you!

There's no us vs. them.

[Rebel4Life]

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/10/29/earlyshow/main3424359.shtml enuff said. :smoke:

[Truthsayer]

The Worms of Darkness are deliberating posting lies about Obama because they want you, the reader, to live in fear that Obama is a stooge.

Now what happens is, if you think that Obama is a stooge, then the energy of your thoughts will co-create the timeline which will influence Obama into obeying the orders of the PTB out of fear.

However, if you summon your courage and your trust in the fact that Obama is in the unique position of being the First President to overthrow the PTB, then the energy of your thoughts will co-create the time-line which will help overthrow the PTB much more smoothly.

Open your eyes, my brothers and sisters and realize what is the real game being played out today.

It is not a game of politics. No! It is a game of energy.

Fear vs Hope. Love vs Hatred. Acceptance vs Rejection. Trust vs Fear.

Which reality will you choose? Which timeline will you choose?

Obama needs your help to overthrow the PTB.

Will you curl up like a frightened slave?

Or Will you stand up and show your courage?

We are destined to win. It is how we win which is of consequence now. Not if we will win.

Tis a game of energy. Addition and Subtraction.

[tdc1188]

The Worms of Darkness are deliberating posting lies about Obama because they want you, the reader, to live in fear that Obama is a stooge.

Now what happens is, if you think that Obama is a stooge, then the energy of your thoughts will co-create the timeline which will influence Obama into obeying the orders of the PTB out of fear.

However, if you summon your courage and your trust in the fact that Obama is in the unique position of being the First President to overthrow the PTB, then the energy of your thoughts will co-create the time-line which will help overthrow the PTB much more smoothly.

Open your eyes, my brothers and sisters and realize what is the real game being played out today.

It is not a game of politics. No! It is a game of energy.

Fear vs Hope. Love vs Hatred. Acceptance vs Rejection. Trust vs Fear.

Which reality will you choose? Which timeline will you choose?

Obama needs your help to overthrow the PTB.

Will you curl up like a frightened slave?

Or Will you stand up and show your courage?

We are destined to win. It is how we win which is of consequence now. Not if we will win.

Tis a game of energy. Addition and Subtraction.

Wonderful post! totally agree!

[historycircus]

I've been doing my fair share of defending Bam-Bam on Avalon, that I will admit. The evidence for his being anything other than what he bills himself as is pretty thin. But I don't think believing that he will be good is a solid substitute for him actually making the decision to be good himself - therein lies the double-edged nature of free-will. With that being said, I think concentrated "intent" energy can't hurt.

Its all very dang confusing.

[Truthsayer]

Look Obama is now in a very unique position.

He can tilt either way.

The Worms of Darkness are now shaking in their pants having read my posts.

Hehehe

[Truthsayer]

Since the Worms of Darkness are so intent on creating an energy field of Fear and Darkness in here, I say we play the same game with them.

I propose a weekly or monthly or even daily Mass Meditation at a certain hour everyday where we visualize

1) Obama overthrowing the PTB,
2) Nesara and Abundance for all,
3) the Bushes, Rockefellers, Rothschilds, and the rest of the cronies in chains and publicly humilation
4) Peace and love everywhere on planet earth
5) The World Economy Booming again

What do you all say?

I am not a good organizer so someone else have to do the organizing.

I am just an ideas person.

Betcha the Worms of Darkness are now quaking the thought of billions of energies overthrowing the darkness.

Hehehe:lmao:

[samncheese]

Hope for the best plan for the worst, and send out energies of love. It's a plan

[Anticomuna]

This is not an argument. This is just labeling. Stop calling those who disagree with you of "negative", "worms of darkness" or whatever. Nobody can say anything against Pinnochio that the cultist will come drooling defending him.

Nobody here has posted anything but the facts. He has done anything worth mentioning for the "healing of the world". He is funded by many of the same people that funded other notorious politicians. He hasn't shown any sign throughout his career of boldness, etc.

Vibrations? really? Vibrate this: :throw:

[historycircus]

Look Obama is now in a very unique position.

He can tilt either way.

The Worms of Darkness are now shaking in their pants having read my posts.

Hehehe

I don't know about worms or pants, but your first two sentences put succinctly that which I have been blathering on about. I agree, and well said.

[Anticomuna]

You are obstinate into creating a new religion, aren't you?

Who do you work for? Why is it so important for people to give up their reason for this man or for anybody else?

I think you are just playing with us. This can't be the behavior of a normal human being, unless he has an ulterior agenda.

[Suriel]

Truthsayer,

Please stop posting multiple threads on the worms of darkness, ptb, and obama.
I think one thread is efficient for each topic. Try to ease off on the "new reply" button
and give us real tangible topics to discuss without trying to incite a debate.

thanks,
Kevin

[Suriel]

Truthsayer,

Please stop posting multiple threads on the worms of darkness, ptb, and obama.
I think one thread is efficient for each topic. Try to ease off on the "new reply" button
and give us real tangible topics to discuss without trying to incite a debate.

thanks,
Kevin

[Dantheman62]

Amen Kevin!!!

[Truthsayer]

See I told you the Worms are quaking in their pants.

You know we don't even have to set a certain hour to do the mass meditations together.

Each of us can just visualize Obama overthrowing the PTB at our own convenience.

However, the power of group consciousness shouldn't be underestimated.

I mean, you guys have already voted Obama as president so far?

Why not go all the way?

hehehe...

I even have a mantra for you guys

Obama overthrow PTB

Hehehe

[samncheese]

It is interesting that you put the world economy in there, If the economy booms then corruption booms. If we are to have real change for the better the economy must fail. those that control the money are the same that control the lies.

I suggest that we put the best mind together and figure out an economy that protects freedom and allows us to feed everyone, but does not promote greed/or lazyness. A balance of service and wealth for everyone, Not communisim.

I think it should be called the law of stewardship. Under this economy we give to families and induviduals what they need to live comfortably, with the mandate to take care of what you have and be wise with it. If they are not thriving then the community will get together with them and teach them to better them selves and the community.

they will be in charge of tending thier homes and gardens, surpluses would be gathered for those who need more.If one person grows to many carrots then they are distributed to others in a co-op fashion.

comunity service would be a must, factories need to be automated so that as few people as possible would be required to run them. This would be the free energy society. We have the abiltiy, no loafers everyone must work, but not too hard.

Every person would be accountable to the comunity leaders for what was given and how they have taken care of it. Everyone would have to balance needs over desires.

Everyone must be taught to live in such a manner as to harm no other being. That would be the highest law of the land.

ok I am a dreamer...

[Truthsayer]

Truthsayer,

Please stop posting multiple threads on the worms of darkness, ptb, and obama.
I think one thread is efficient for each topic. Try to ease off on the "new reply" button
and give us real tangible topics to discuss without trying to incite a debate.

thanks,
Kevin

Kevin

You must be more naive than I thought you are if you think that real tangible topics can be discussed in open forums like this.

[Truthsayer]

From what I have learnt so far,

Energy works best if it is focussed.

So if everyone can visualize and think "Obama overthrow PTB" with feelings of courage, trust and love

That would be best.

Short and simple.

[Dantheman62]

:ban::ban::ban:

[Truthsayer]

Amazing.

Now that I have gone to the core of the issues, the Worms actually want me to be banned?

Talk about irony.

Please repeat and visualize the mantra after me.

"Obama overthrow PTB."

[Suriel]

Truthsayer,

I have had very productive conversations here at Avalon.
There are many intelligent bright members here.
Right now I am trying not to quiver in my pants,
because I am being overwhelmed with your repeated posts.
It would seem to me that maybe you should change your strategy.
If you are for the light, maybe you should try a more positive approach.
Chaos only causes more chaos.

Peace,
Kevin

[Truthsayer]

Truthsayer,

I have had very productive conversations here at Avalon.
There are many intelligent bright members here.
Right now I am trying not to quiver in my pants,
because I am being overwhelmed with your repeated posts.
It would seem to me that maybe you should change your strategy.
If you are for the light, maybe you should try a more positive approach.
Chaos only causes more chaos.

Peace,
Kevin

I am not talking about you when I mention Worms quivering in their pants.

You take things so seriously sometimes.

I only started 3 threads because the first two threads are separate ideas and the most recent thread is a combination of those two separate ideas.

At least I don't spam the forum like the Worms of Darkness who keep trying to spread fear and hopelessness around, do I?

You should open your eyes Kevin and see what's going on.

[Dantheman62]

How about giving Kevin a break already!

[777 The Great Work]

The Worms of Darkness are deliberating posting lies about Obama because they want you, the reader, to live in fear that Obama is a stooge.

Now what happens is, if you think that Obama is a stooge, then the energy of your thoughts will co-create the timeline which will influence Obama into obeying the orders of the PTB out of fear.

However, if you summon your courage and your trust in the fact that Obama is in the unique position of being the First President to overthrow the PTB, then the energy of your thoughts will co-create the time-line which will help overthrow the PTB much more smoothly.

Open your eyes, my brothers and sisters and realize what is the real game being played out today.

It is not a game of politics. No! It is a game of energy.

Fear vs Hope. Love vs Hatred. Acceptance vs Rejection. Trust vs Fear.

Which reality will you choose? Which timeline will you choose?

Obama needs your help to overthrow the PTB.

Will you curl up like a frightened slave?

Or Will you stand up and show your courage?

We are destined to win. It is how we win which is of consequence now. Not if we will win.

Tis a game of energy. Addition and Subtraction.

The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field: But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed weeds among the wheat, and went his way. But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the weeds also. So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it weeds? He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up? But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the weeds, ye root up also the wheat with them. Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the weeds, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.” Matthew 13:24-30 (KJV)

[Suriel]

Thread moved to - Camelot - off topic.

[efields]

I've been doing my fair share of defending Bam-Bam on Avalon, that I will admit. The evidence for his being anything other than what he bills himself as is pretty thin. But I don't think believing that he will be good is a solid substitute for him actually making the decision to be good himself - therein lies the double-edged nature of free-will. With that being said, I think concentrated "intent" energy can't hurt.

Its all very dang confusing.

Our job is to release Obama to be himself and to Control Ourselves. Never mind worrying about controlling others. Lest we forget to control ourselves. We must keep on guard, to posit love, forgiveness, and gratitude to the Earth lest we Create the best possible future for the planet. Not to let the screamers,negatives, and doom & gloomers, control our thoughts and create the living hell, they are so intent on bringing to fruition.

We have a wonderful opening in the energy fields of the Planet to bring in Light, Peace, and Happiness for the first time in a very long time of 8 years, I feel like a pregnant women who's water has broken... Ahhhh thank God for this break! Im sure many of you feel it too. The entire world has gone from hating us to astonishment and shock. If we could elect a Black man just maybe we are not sooo bad? They are waiting to see what happens as we are. I for one am so grateful, I could cry from happiness. I pray these feelings will continue for the next 8 years, considering the 8 years of hell we just had with the last administration. We are due for some warm fuzzy feelings for the next 8. Pray with me that we have a true revolution beginning. People of Color, Im sure feel their prayers have been answered. I cried with joy, to see their joy, when the projections said Obama had one that night, at 11:30. I was so proud of this nation. I only pray for more of that feeling. What happened to the gays was a reminder, that there are still many ignorant brothers among us, and we need to be vigilant and guard our good feelings, and not let them pull us down, to their level. :thumb_yello: We must all feel like we one. We must pull together, to create the paradise we desire. A historic moment, a long tome coming...

[777 The Great Work]

Amazing.

Now that I have gone to the core of the issues, the Worms actually want me to be banned?

Talk about irony.

Please repeat and visualize the mantra after me.

"Obama overthrow PTB."

What the superior man seeks is in himself; what the small man seeks is in others. :wall:

[Rebel4Life]

Truthsayer Ive show u the truth yet you ignore me why? are you paid to lie to the people here? or are you that brainwashed by what you see on T.V. You can't really take the truth anymore? either way you need to wake up. :smoke:

[Humble Janitor]

I was thinking to myself if it is the right thing for me to post this.

When I logged in a few seconds ago, the Control Panel said "You last visited: Today at 11:11 AM"

Talk about Synchronicities..

Anyway, Here goes.

I think Obama is the real deal because he is black and the PTB are predominately white.

The Rockefellers, Rothschilds and The British Royal Family are all white. No way in hell would they wanna put a Black man as the President of the United States. If they did, this would go down as the mistake of the centuries

Now, before you say I am racist, I have plenty of friends of every colour and creed.

No way am I saying that white people are evil or good. Nor am I saying that black people are evil or good.

There are good and bad individuals in every Human race and every ET race.

But The PTB have had a white supremacist agenda for millennia and having a black man in power, a man whose race have been slaves to the white folk only two centuries ago, this is a MAJOR slap to their face.

This is also a sign from the Divine that the time has come for the entire world population who have been under the tyranny of the PTB for so long..

This is a sign that it is time for each and every single individual of every race and colour to step up to the plate and become their own master, to become a God in their own right.

I am proud of Nov 4. It is a day which not only changed the US but it is a day which changed the entire world as well.

I have to agree with your thoughts here.

This place is just too negative sometimes. I see enough negativity in my life.

[777 The Great Work]

You go into the dark room and pour solution on your negatives and thats how you get exposure.


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[love and gratitude]

OBAMA LOVERS - Do your fu.......ing homework. There is enough material on him to sink a battle ship. The people he chose should tell you something - Rahn Israel was in the Clinton regime. At the Clinton inaugrial ceremony after dinner party when Bill was celebrating, Rahn picked up a knife and read out a list of names of all the people who were Bill Clinton enemies. With each name is stabbed the table and shouted DEAD. After he was finished reading the list the table looked like a moon scape. This piece of information was from a Rolling Stone article. This guy is a phychopath. There is nothing from his new cabinet that spells change, except LOOSE CHANGE.
Sorry guys, WAKE UP DO YOUR HOMEWORK OBAMA LOVERS. I know you want things to change for the better but you have been duped once again. Research.

[raulduke]

Albert Einstein once said “The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results”.

I feel I may be insane to attempt this, but I cannot see another way right now.

Truthsayer, let me first say that I admire your intentions,

But you are doing a disservice to your own cause via your approach.

As I see it:

You are instigative.

You are passive aggressive.

You seem to love to play the victim, even though there are so many who agree w/ you here.

I might have also, as I was feeling uplifted by what other people expect from Obama, but your approach is what I find myself taking issue w/ now. Your message becomes clouded w/ red herrings, metaphors, and light vs. dark fantasies. You must know it is not that simple. Are you pure light or is there a hint of darkness in there as well?

You are too dramatic/poetic for your own good sometimes. You would run into fewer miscommunications if you could just say what you mean, instead of trying to find some metaphor to represent your real message.

Case and point-->

The Worms of Darkness are deliberating posting lies about Obama because they want you, the reader, to live in fear that Obama is a stooge.

Who are these "worms of darkness" that you refer to in nearly all of your posts. It appears that anyone not in agreement w/ your call for blind faith, falls into this category and you go further to insist that they want to spread fear. That is offensive, as I am nearly certain it is directed at many open minded people here including myself.

And when you post,

See I told you the Worms are quaking in their pants.



just after kevin politely asked you to stop flooding the forum, you were then able to say that you weren't refering to kev. Well that's bs imo. You were refering to kev and then retreated.

So who are the "worms"? You seem to be very familiar w/ them. Am I a worm?

You have also eluded to "human scum" being paid to spread lies about Obama, I'm pretty sure the "human scum" bit used to be you're sig.

You say they spread lies, but never address any specifc lies or make any attempt to debunk them. You seem to operate purely on your gut feeling.

Well I quoted it before but I think it's just as apt here.
"I beseech you in the bowels of christ think it possible you may be mistaken."

I find that I am wrong fairly often and have learned much as a result. I have learned to do my homework, so to speak.

So, I've asked you before to please do your homework, go find these lies that I have spread about Obama and refute them. I'm guessing that you will probably tell me that you do not have the time, but if you are as dedicated as you are coming off here, I would think it no problem.


Now what happens is, if you think that Obama is a stooge, then the energy of your thoughts will co-create the timeline which will influence Obama into obeying the orders of the PTB out of fear.


So, if we question Obama, we are then responsible for him "obeying the orders, of the PTB out of fear."

ridiculous.

Also your title here is "How you can control Obama"

Well I want no part of control over any human other than myself (to whatever degree is possible).

I may wish to influence people through my words or actions, but never control their mind or otherwise.

Doing so, imo, robs that human of their own free will, i.e; slavery.


p.s. I feel an apology to Kevin from you is in order.

[Humble Janitor]

How about a moratorium on Obama threads?

I'm seriously considering never posting here again. I will have no part of this.

[Truthsayer]

Who are you, Raulduke?

I don't recall replying to you before.

Why are you so sensitive about my posts when I don't even know who you are?

Jeez, I wonder why some people are feeling so sensitive about my posts when I am not even referring to them.

Guilty conscience?

[raulduke]

Who are you, Raulduke?

I don't recall replying to you before.

Why are you so sensitive about my posts when I don't even know who you are?

Jeez, I wonder why some people are feeling so sensitive about my posts when I am not even referring to them.

Guilty conscience?

Who are you Truthsayer?

Guilty conscience? Can you say instigative? Passive aggressive?

Christ man,

Could you just please address any of my questions?

I know you haven't repiled to me even though I posted at least twice in your multiple threads (w/ the same topic) before this last post w/ several questions which you ingnored and have continued to do so.

When I start threads, I show respect to the responses, read the questions and try to address them as clearly as I can. Your, approach seems to be the antithesis of that.

I'm concerened (sensitive as you put it) about your posts because of what you advocate: Blind Faith.

So I ask again, who exactly are you refering to?

Please explain why we should abandon all we know about Obama and invest ourselves completely in him.

Why do you wish to control him, do you not trust him?

Seriously, this is ridiculous. I wish you would just answer any of these questions, but I am growing tired of asking irrational people to address my questions.

Now I have answered your question. I wonder if you could show me the same courtesy.

[Truthsayer]

Dear Raulduke,

I have no idea who you are, my posts were not referring to you OR Kevin and I have no intention of getting into a childish squabble with you.

Any more of your posts screaming at me to reply to you, when i have no interest in interacting with a nutjob like you, will be reported to the moderators.

Peace.

[Dean Plejaren]

I can understand this feeling of Obama being unique and having some kind of special ability. That was the entire point of the campaign. They know people are waking up so they do a trick. The put a slogan "change you can believe in". That's why they put a black person. To make it different.

This made people think you could believe in it. That it was real. I'm telling you for sure they are tricking you again. Not until you stop believing in politics and the system itself will you change it.

[Frank Samuel]

Obama is a politician, perhaps the smartest politician in the history of the US.
The game has to be played to survive in the cut throat world of politics. I'm sure they will be some positive things that will be acomplished by this man, lets face it he cannot do any worse than Bush. That being said we as individuals need to focus on improving our own quality of life and that has little or nothing to do with Obama. I would like to see College tuition go down, peace in the world, etc. one man alone cannot do it. It will be intresting what Obama is going to do when the investors of the campaingn come knocking, it will be impossible to say no.
That's the world of politics 101. Let's remain positive , just do not place your faith in politics and politicians otherwise you are in for a rude awakening. Politics is politics and at the end of the day everyone is looking out for number one . To change the world is a sacrifice which few people can acomplish, even for a brief period, often loosing their lives in the process. The road must be paved, the journey is long and ardous, we are in this Boat together for good or for worse lets hope for the best. Getting Bush and Chenney, these two Bozos, out of the white house is a sight of relief for me. Give Obama at least the benefit of the doubt to see what he can do:thumb_yello:

[Truthsayer]

I can understand this feeling of Obama being unique and having some kind of special ability. That was the entire point of the campaign. They know people are waking up so they do a trick. The put a slogan "change you can believe in". That's why they put a black person. To make it different.

This made people think you could believe in it. That it was real. I'm telling you for sure they are tricking you again. Not until you stop believing in politics and the system itself will you change it.

Dean.

At this moment in time, there is a civil war going on right now in the US government, Military and Alphabet Agencies.

Which side Obama really is, we can only tell 4 years later.

But mark my words, There is a hidden civil war right now and all of us have better pray for the Good Guys.

[Truthsayer]

Who are you Truthsayer?



Dear Raulduke,

I have no idea who you are, my posts were not referring to you OR Kevin and I have no intention of getting into a childish squabble with you.

Any more of your posts screaming at me to reply to you, when i have no interest in interacting with a nutjob like you, will be reported to the moderators.

Peace.

[Dean Plejaren]

Even if it is a civil war it does not mean Obama is the solution. I can tell you with certaintly he has even less power than you and me. The only reason it appears different is because his funding and how he is allowed. If he did something not appealing it will be clear who has the power. Rememer Kennedy he tried to warn people how dangerous this influence had become. The real control is elsewhere. Same with bush. He was allowed to be an idiot. That's why they choose him. The leaders don't know what they are doing. They are like pawns.

[Humble Janitor]

This made people think you could believe in it. That it was real. I'm telling you for sure they are tricking you again. Not until you stop believing in politics and the system itself will you change it.

As I have said in other threads, some of us are in our last throes in regards to our belief in the system and/or politics.

For me personally, it's a 10 year journey from being a wanna-be socialist (complete with a library full of Chomsky/Zinn/Marx) to trying to understand politics in general.

It's just that the more I learn, the more I question myself and that's a good thing. If there's anything positive from threads like this, it's that they make me second-guess some of my decisions. That's a good thing.

[Humble Janitor]

Dean.
But mark my words, There is a hidden civil war right now and all of us have better pray for the Good Guys.

The problem is that we don't even know who's on our side and who isn't. I don't think I've ever known this either. Who do we pray for without knowing the consequences of such an action?

[Truthsayer]

Even if it is a civil war it does not mean Obama is the solution. I can tell you with certaintly he has even less power than you and me. The only reason it appears different is because his funding and how he is allowed. If he did something not appealing it will be clear who has the power. Rememer Kennedy he tried to warn people how dangerous this influence had become. The real control is elsewhere. Same with bush. He was allowed to be an idiot. That's why they choose him. The leaders don't know what they are doing. They are like pawns.

I have never said Obama is the solution but he can be part of the solution.

I can feel what type of situation he is in.

Yes it is true the leaders have been pawns but perhaps it is time for the pawns to take down the kings and queens.

I have started a thread where everyone is invited to send positive energies of change to the presidency to influence Obama to overthrow the PTB.

Please allow me to post the link here, Dean, in my reply to you.

http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=7013

[Truthsayer]

The problem is that we don't even know who's on our side and who isn't. I don't think I've ever known this either. Who do we pray for without knowing the consequences of such an action?

You know, there are plenty of those working for the dark side now who are thinking of breaking away.

As I said before, don't assume everyone is completely white or black.

Even the worms of darkness in here spreading their lies have some goodness in their heart.

All we need to do is to just keep focussing on the thought that the good guys will win the war against the dark ones.

Or visualize an image where the good guys will win the hidden civil war against the dark ones.

You dun have to know who the good guys are or even know their faces.

It is the focussed energy on the concept of the good guys winning the war which will help create a positive timeline.

I recommend everyone to focus on this mantra, "Obama Overthrow PTB"

SHort and sweet.

[Dean Plejaren]

perhaps it is time for the pawns to take down the kings and queens

They can only move one square at a time. The only way is to understand the positions. You don't win chess by praying and hoping and getting other peices to pray for other pieces. You win by making your team go in the best position. Put your hope in strategy instead.

[Frank Samuel]

Yes there's a war going on, politics and politicians are just playing their games and we are stuck right in the middle of it. The worst part is that there's so many innocent by standers getting killed in the process. Be awake, move with caution, protect your loved ones, create groups to survive in case of extreme emergencies. Even if Obama has good intentions the odds are stack against him, the time for words is over it is time for the nitty gritty, the nuts and bolts aproach. Thus far the man is moving in the right direction, after Jan. 20 the real work begins in the white house. Once in a while there comes a politician who at least tries to stir in the right direction without falling down the rabbit hole. I do not envy this man one bit, may he have the courage to stand up to the RPTB, if not he will become just another bozo in the white house.:naughty:

[Truthsayer]

They can only move one square at a time. The only way is to understand the positions. You don't win chess by praying and hoping and getting other peices to pray for other pieces. You win by making your team go in the best position. Put your hope in strategy instead.

Well, Dean.

I consider it a major blessing that Real Life is not played like a game of Chess then.

In Real Life, the pawns can move as far as the kings and queens.

Infact, depending on what you are talking about, the pawns might move even further and faster than the kings and queens. :lol3::naughty:

Since we are on the sidelines being the spectators, we can only add in our positive energy of benevolent change.

Trust me, this positive energy which each and every one is sending out will be critical to the good guys in the civil war.

Peace.

[Dean Plejaren]

There is more positive energy in one flower than there is in a thousand years of praying. You have to use the things around you and know the rules of the game to be the most effective.

Life is exactly like chess. The pawns are the 8 senses of perception. The castles the body. The horses the vitality. The bishops the emotions. The king the consious mind and the queen the manifestations of nature.

[raulduke]

Dear Raulduke,

I have no idea who you are, my posts were not referring to you OR Kevin and I have no intention of getting into a childish squabble with you.

Any more of your posts screaming at me to reply to you, when i have no interest in interacting with a nutjob like you, will be reported to the moderators.

Peace.

Who cares if you know me? Do you know anyone here really?

I said you were refering to people like me (who disagree w/ u), and clearly you are. But since you refuse to explain who you were refering to, you force us to guess that it is the people you disagree w/. Feel free to explain who are the worms here whenever you feel like clueing the rest of us in here.

And it is indeed obvious that you were refering to kevin w/ your "worms quaking" bs.

I am not screaming. Just asking. And you refuse to answer.

I tried to converse and progress here, but you are a brick wall.
So I'll remain civil and bid you adieu.



I don't have to show you any courtesy at all because you are a mentally insane person! You are Paranoid and Scizophrenic! Period!

Man, go take your meds or something!

You Psycho!

Wow.

I honestly thought there was a chance that this would be productive, but wow!

What a rant!:lol3:

I won't be reporting you because I realise this is the sort of juvenile backlash that results from a victim complex, but imo if anyone deserves to be reported for harassment, it is you.


good luck in your blind endeavors.

peace and chicken grease.:wall:

[Dean Plejaren]

What is the point of getting angry at each other you have to know how to control yourselves. It's not about individuals.

[Truthsayer]

Worms of Darkness with Lies and Forked Tongues

Light Brothers and Sisters, Do Eyes See how Worms Slither?

Worms of Darkness in Fear of Unity and Truth's Courage

Light Brothers and Sisters, Beware the Traps of Worms!

[Frank Samuel]

Dean you are quite right , I don't know about your avatar?
Your chess analogy is correct !!! :thumb_yello: Life is a game of moves, often times we loose, get up and start again. Thank God for that otherwise it would have been Game Over a long time ago .:naughty:

[Truthsayer]

Worms and Leeches, Sucking Blood to Live

Acting all Pitiful, Acting the Victim

Light Brothers and Sisters, Open thy Eyes.

Beware the Traps of Worms and Leeches

Use the Fire of Truth to Burn Leeches to Ashes

Ashes to Ashes, Dust to Dust

May the Lord have mercy on Leeches and Worms

Amen Amen Amen Peace No Chicken Grease

[Dean Plejaren]

I can see this worm thing has become too unbalanced. There is a place you left unguarded. The worms are using the idea of worms against you and preventing the sight of proper perspective.

You know how I know? Because every time some problem comes up, it becomes the worms fault. That's preventing finding the solution.

[Frank Samuel]

Well if you excuse me I am taking my can of worms out this thread, you guys gave me a good idea for bait, I am going fishing, anybody wants to get the worn out of here and go fishing with me? A big hug to all, see yaa !!!:thumb_yello:

[raulduke]

Well if you excuse me I am taking my can of worms out this thread, you guys gave me a good idea for bait, I am going fishing, anybody wants to get the worn out of here and go fishing with me? A big hug to all, see yaa !!!:thumb_yello:

Fantastic idea Frank.

Good fishing in Puerto Rico I'll bet. Deep sea saltwater fishing is a blast.

This is the last post here for me too
No real conversing going on here anyway.

I'm a fly fisherman though, so I don't even need worms!

big hugs to all indeed!:original:

[Rebel4Life]

I like how truthsayer ignores all the information I put forth and remains the same way he is. When will you answer my posts hu?

P.S. No such thing as negativity only perspective and TRUTH. :smoke: If you can't handle the Truth get out of the kitchen.

[Lotus]

- (There is more positive energy in one flower than there is in a thousand years of praying.)

Oh really. I guess you haven't read about the many studies demonstrating how prayer heals.

[KassandraLoves]

If you can't handle the Truth get out of the kitchen.

YOUR truth is not THE truth. It is different from mine, hers, and his. Truth IS a persepective, but it has EVERYTHING to do with your chosen polarity, either positive or negative.

[371]

YOUR truth is not THE truth. It is different from mine, hers, and his. Truth IS a persepective, but it has EVERYTHING to do with your chosen polarity, either positive or negative.

Right:thumb_yello: Like I always say: Truth is subjective.

[Rebel4Life]

YOUR truth is not THE truth. It is different from mine, hers, and his. Truth IS a persepective, but it has EVERYTHING to do with your chosen polarity, either positive or negative.

I believe its spelled "perspective" and It has nothing to do with polarity that's another "perspective".As an Indigo I see through lies and deception that most of these people are. Once a politician always a politician. Here is another wake up call if my other posts didn't do the trick. Obama's Chief of Staff Emanuel Was Director Of Freddie Mac During the scandal (http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=6201900&page=1). Can you say business as usual? :smoke:

[Rebel4Life]

Right:thumb_yello: Like I always say: Truth is subjective.

nope. Here is an article to enlighten yourself : http://www.newmediaministries.org/Truth/TruthIsSubjective_S.html . :smoke:

[jonah70757]

He is real. He is a real threat.

[lotusflower]

Jonah,
I just started a new thread on this matter....how are you sure he is a threat? Please read my thread.. How would you run for presidency. I would love for you to hear my persepective.

[371]

nope. Here is an article to enlighten yourself : http://www.newmediaministries.org/Truth/TruthIsSubjective_S.html . :smoke:

Well, I gotta say- good find on that! I guess I was wrong!

That article makes a lot of sense; you can't say that truth is subjective since if that's true then that would be an OBJECTIVE truth.

I hereby retract my statement that "Truth is subjective". As there are undeniably objective truths, though I also believe that your individual truth may not also be mine, as our perspectives are shaped by our indivudal thoughts and experiances.

I stand corrected, thumbs up to you Rebel4Life for setting me straight!

[KassandraLoves]

I believe its spelled "perspective" and It has nothing to do with polarity that's another "perspective".As an Indigo I see through lies and deception that most of these people are. Once a politician always a politician. Here is another wake up call if my other posts didn't do the trick. Obama's Chief of Staff Emanuel Was Director Of Freddie Mac During the scandal (http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=6201900&page=1). Can you say business as usual? :smoke:


I apologize for the typo. I am usually very accurate with my English, Grammar, and spelling. I did not mean to "throw you off" with my error in this case, but due to the fact that I am usually at work while on the forum, I don't always get the best opportunites to proof my work. At the same time, I realize that you could read the word anyway, so really? The spelling error is quite trivial.

Also, my message wasn't meant wholly in the following context as it seems you have taken it in: "...as it refers to Obama." Sure, its here, in this thread, but really, it works for many more important topics that just this one guy and our opinions about him.

My level for attraction to Obama is minimal. The statement I made goes for ANYTHING. Its an umbrella statement that applies to whatever the heck you put it to. Stop trying to convince me that "he who shall not be named" is the biggest douc** bag in history, because I simply don't give it that much of my energy. A couple topics here and there, but nothing over-the-top.

We need to see the bigger picture here and stop focusing so damn hard on one damn guy, people. Like him or not, we STILL must move forward and live, no matter what him being around means or doesn't mean in our opinions

And I still disagree, by the way. Truths are there, but the are so fully attatched to opinion. Its just like when the SAME crime, comes out on police reports as different for EVERY eye witness.....