Who's the real god worshiped by high rank masons?

[Antaletriangle]

http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/11855/Who____s_the_real_god_worshiped_by_high_rank_mason s_/

A short video that concerns the name of the masonic 'gods' and the masons as a religion.

[AlbaTiVo]

Interesting. Whenever I come across anyone who wants to educate themselves more on the Masons, I point them to this website: http://www.ephesians5-11.org/ which has their rituals, grips and passwords, as well as explaining what they mean.

Steven

[Peer]

Nonsense.

Masons do not worship any god because it is no religion.
That's why any free man of any religion can join.
In Masonic lodges therefore discussions about religion and politics are a no no.
It is true that Masons use religious symbols or better said: Uses symbolisme several religions also use.

The inventors of Jahweh have named every other diety than theirs "the devil."
Christianity actually is the only religion with this god/devil duality, the devil being the dark side of the force.
The name Jahweh as the name of god is only as old as christianity so let's say about 1500 years and before that time this god was called Adonai, the jewish name.
Humanity has always had its gods and their names may differ but the idea behind it:
"The highest and almighty being" is the same.
People seem to need a supreme being.

It is true that the old order of the Knights Templar had rather weird, exotic (to say the least) rites.
It is also true that FreeMasonry is said to stem from those Knights Templar but

FreeMasonry is not a religion but a brotherhood and the secret word is NOT Jabulon.

[Antaletriangle]

http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/11855/Who____s_the_real_god_worshiped_by_high_rank_mason s_/



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[Jacqui D]

I wonder if there are any masons on this site just a thought and would they admit to it!
In the lower ranks of freemasonry they would not know what their higherarchy are involved in even secrets within there own kind!
Tells you what kind of people they are really doesn't it! :thumbdown:

[Antaletriangle]

Yeah exactly Jacqui-the lower ranking masons haven't a clue of what the higher eschelons are involved with.You could be a mason and still be in the same ignorance as a non mason.

[Peer]

I have been a free mason for 11 years and also reached the higher ranks not 33th though and not in America but in Europe.
I left because of the masculine form of the order which I could not combine with my marriage anymore.

Antaletriangle, I am not defending freemasonry because it needs no defending but I see you judge something without having the faintest idea of what you are talking about, maybe because of the mystery clouds hanging around it.
Well then let me tell you that free masons have been chased and killed by the catholic church like the jews were chased by the germans in the 2nd worldwar. The germans chased freemasons as well and many were killed.

Why?
Well, the task of every freemason is to independantly look for truth. That's his task.

So what do you get? You get men who diligently study things and research and investigate problems of life and everything around them and that results in people, able to form their own opinion because they have checked and double checked the things they are talking about.
They can think and come to conclusions on their own and most of them are well trained in that art.
A fascist goverment like the germans in those days (and any fascist government nowadays) of course can not tolerate people thinking for themselves so they have to be destroyed.
That's why they are hidden and work out of reach of profane eyes.
But their work is inner work and as a brother you take an oath never to betray your brother so among brethern you are safe.

But still what do you get?
Oh I can't see them, they must be doing something bad..... ow dangerous.....
The christian way of thinking and judging.

Let me tell you that freemasons spend millions and millions on philantropic goals but they never will say that it comes from the masons as they work in silence.
My old lodge for instance supported a lepre-colony in Indonesia and payed for a school in one of those villages.
The children never knew where the money came from and they shouldn't know.
All they knew was: study is free.

Maybe I changed your mind a little or am I a suspect now?? :shocked: :sneaky2: :zip: :lmao:

[Jacqui D]

Are you sure Peer i thought you couldn't leave once you joined isn't it something to do with the ritual you take part in when you are asked to join?

I have heard differently and i have to disagree.
Did you have to gve your soul Peer?
If so what are you doing on here?
Do you really think we are that stupid?

[777 The Great Work]

Lucifer, very few people understand the lucifer concept.

[Peer]

Are you sure Peer i thought you couldn't leave once you joined isn't it something to do with the ritual you take part in when you are asked to join?

I have heard differently and i have to disagree.
Did you have to gve your soul Peer?
If so what are you doing on here?
Do you really think we are that stupid?

Then you heard wrong.
You can leave whenever you like and come back as well.
In the rituals you go through death and resurrection and as you see:
I made it!
In no way you have to give your soul away.
I don't think your stupid, you just don't know.
You still believe in the boogieman?

[Jacqui D]

So peer you have been reserected hm!! just as i thought, the masons have a good way of trying to elude the people of their true nature of business on this earth.
What do you say of necrophilia?
I have been around to long to believe what you are saying and perhaps i don't know it all but why do you have to join any group in the first place if your aim is to help others why join freemasonry.
Because your freemason ancestry goes back a long way from grandfather, father, son are you a martin Peer?
If you are talking about percecution you are talking of the templars yes!
The templars the founding freemasons.
And were they not here for a reason other than setting up their lodges times gone by and setting there agenda's even then.

[Peer]

All I know is that you don't and I can see that.
What have masons to do with necrophilia?
I think I have been around a bit longer than you my friend and I have learned not to judge things I don't know about.
But you don't have to believe me.

One good advise though:
Take a good look at your avatar and then read your own words again and see if they fit together.

[Jacqui D]

Sorry peer my avatar has nothing to do with my post i know you can't say to much because you either do not know what your higherarchy know or you are not saying.

You can not upset me by your remark about my avatar either i am true to myself are you?

[unloadedgunn]

Unfortunately Freemasonry has been high-jacked by the Fallen Ones. Some of the rights involve the use of skulls and bones (sound familiar?) I would estimate that many tens of thousands of corpses (or their bones) are used in Masonic Temple rites just here in the USA alone. Any serious study of this fraternal society shows a complete overlap of its dominant members and the ruling elite (including most US presidents) who are orchestrating a take over of the world as we speak. IF ANYONE TELLS YOU THAT THE FREEMASONS ARE A PHILANTHROPIC ORGANIZATION HAVE A GOOD LAUGH AND THEN SET THEN STRAIGHT!!!

[Reunite]

Lucifer, very few people understand the lucifer concept.

The hidden hand's explaination

Our Creator, is the one you refer to as 'Lucifer', "The Light Bearer" and "Bright and Morning Star".
Our Creator is not "The Devil" as he has been spuriously portrayed in your bible. Lucifer is what you would call a "Group Soul" or "Social Memory Complex", which has evolved to the level of the Sixth Density, which in effect, means that he (or more accurately "'we") has evolved to a level sufficient that he (we) has attained a status equal or arguably 'greater' than that of Yahweh (we have evolved higher than him). In appearance, were you to gaze upon Lucifer's fullest expression of our Being, the appearance would be that of a Sun or a "Bright Star". Or, when stepping down into a 3rd Density vibration, we would appear as what you may term an 'Angel' or 'Light Being'.

[Frank Samuel]

Okay guys wait a minute,outside of Mr. Peer how many of you know anybody who is a free mason? There's many lodges in PR, funny thing about these so called rituals because these lodges are out in the public view. Now I am not defending the masons, I just want a show of hands of how many are former members talking about first hand experience.
The list of members of the Free Masons is public, why? Is this is such an evil organization why would they risk being discover ? I am not saying that evil people cannot join the free masons, they are in every sect of society. Mr. Peer is honest and brave enough to come foward with his account. Please take that into consideration. As a matter of fact a few project avalon members have come foward I have said that they or family members where free masons. In my case I have friends who are or have family members that are members. I cannot view these people as evil. Take into consideration how many organizations are view as evil. Catholics, the goverment, black ops groups within the goverment, Muslims, Hindus, Sihks, Shintoism, Tibetan Buddhism, Buddhism,Communism, Socialism, Aliens, anarchist, New Age, White Brotherhood,Homosexuals,, Moonies, Krishna movement, Free Masons, The Illuminati, The Jesuits, Jews, Kabalist. You get the point, somewhere in this evil list we are all included none of us are off the hook unless you are a fundamental evangelist saved by the blood of Jesus Christ. From their viewpoint we are all going to hell. Ouch !!!

[Magamud]

Lucifer for sure. He/she/it needs our energy to keep their dimension going. You sold your soul for rock n roll/power/knowledge etc...

Freeman perspective and Alan Watt is good at elucidating this subject.

http://freemanarchives.com/

www.cuttingthroughthematrix.com

[777 The Great Work]

The hidden hand's explaination

Our Creator, is the one you refer to as 'Lucifer', "The Light Bearer" and "Bright and Morning Star".
Our Creator is not "The Devil" as he has been spuriously portrayed in your bible. Lucifer is what you would call a "Group Soul" or "Social Memory Complex", which has evolved to the level of the Sixth Density, which in effect, means that he (or more accurately "'we") has evolved to a level sufficient that he (we) has attained a status equal or arguably 'greater' than that of Yahweh (we have evolved higher than him). In appearance, were you to gaze upon Lucifer's fullest expression of our Being, the appearance would be that of a Sun or a "Bright Star". Or, when stepping down into a 3rd Density vibration, we would appear as what you may term an 'Angel' or 'Light Being'.

Close but yet so far

[Reunite]

Close but yet so far

Please share your wisdom

[Reunite]

funny thing about these so called rituals because these lodges are out in the public view.


What's going on inside Bohemian Grove???

Thanks to Alex Jones we got a snippit of some bizzare rituals conducted by masons wearing satanic robes worshipping the deity molach

[777 The Great Work]

Please share your wisdom

When i found this out i was really mad, but wisdom does bring sorrow because we don't like being fooled.

LUCIFER and Satan is a well guarded concept and are just two of the many names for the sacred feminine energy we know as Kundalini. The ancient wisdom teaches us that life has two truths, relating to the lower and higher vibration of all things. There is the destructive and constructive. The destrutive path of lucifer is when the sexual powerful and creative energy is channeled downward. This is the beautiful angel Lucifer that was cast down because it wanted to be above God IE TPTB. This is the symbolic king of the babylonian Empire. Her name is also Quetzalcoatl.

This is the falling ASTEROID OR ASTAROID. Roid meaning violence and agression that you get from a falling star, steroids, or staroids. Lucifer was also known as the ASSASIN , get my drift. :mfr_lol:
i will create a post on this in detail so people will understand who this falling Astaroid is and not what.

HELL HAS NO FURY LIKE A WOMAN SCORNED(THESE are the kind of phrases that this knowledge is hidden in.

How to raise the Serpent in this wilderness of worldly illusion is THE most guarded secret on the planet .Forget UFOS and Free energy.:mfr_lol:

And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to HIM was given the key of the bottomless pit. 2 And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit. 3 And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power.

[Reunite]

i will create a post on this in detail so people will understanding who this falling Astaroid is and not what.



looking forward to it, could you also post links...cheers :original:

[777 The Great Work]

I don't know of any links to give you at this time. I always ask questions about what most consider to be MUNDANE.

I have collected esoteric out of print literature for years. The old books from the 1400 and 1600s that got you burnt at the stake.:mfr_lol:

I pay very close attention to patterns and they put me on the path towards the most profound answers.

[Magamud]

Your on the money 777. The "great work" is intended to replace natures experience with Lucifers manipulation. Hence all the tampering of food, perception, knowledge, biology etc.... I personally like the junk DNA thing right now. Lucifer is one arrogant and stubburn son of a bitch and it just does not like the game of nature. Its not just our planet either its a conglomerate of systems. Suppressing the kundalini is it too. Subjegating women and men to stop from finding out how to transform energy, communicate to each other and enjoy your little prison planet is the game. Oh they do it so well, im in awe.

Godspeed

[Peer]

Unfortunately Freemasonry has been high-jacked by the Fallen Ones. Some of the rights involve the use of skulls and bones (sound familiar?) I would estimate that many tens of thousands of corpses (or their bones) are used in Masonic Temple rites just here in the USA alone. Any serious study of this fraternal society shows a complete overlap of its dominant members and the ruling elite (including most US presidents) who are orchestrating a take over of the world as we speak. IF ANYONE TELLS YOU THAT THE FREEMASONS ARE A PHILANTHROPIC ORGANIZATION HAVE A GOOD LAUGH AND THEN SET THEN STRAIGHT!!!

Hi UG, I never stated FM was a philantropic organisation, I stated that among others they spend millions on philantropic goals and that is a fact.
Call me a liar if you want.
You, like most people here know nothing about freemasonry except what you heard in rumours.

Someone suggested that if there were masons here that they should step forward and I did because I am not afraid to tell anyone what I stand for and who I am.

But as it is clear to me that no other mason is here (or else I would know by now) I will stop posting on this thread because it is useless to argue with people so preoccupied.

[SoulSuspect]

The god named EGO. The one that serves thy self.

One

[THE eXchanger]

The god named EGO. The one that serves thy self.

One

there is NO god, named EGO

ego was something, someone told you
you had, in order to control you !!!

and, for the most part, it works

see how quick the monkey stops,
when someone says, the monkey is in ego !!!

brightest blessings
susan
the eXchanger

[martina]

The Jesuits are in command of the Freemasonry and they worship Lucifer

[Jacqui D]

I am not a mason but i do know some, they are in my family my brother in law was a master mason i have seen his regalia also hm! less said on that one i think.
The mason's are the power that be on this earth and i'm sorry to say this but if you do not join you will not get on in this life!

They are a sect to themselves and as was said before they only help there own.
They also can make peoples lives a misery, causing illness, loss of work as i believe and this is my own belief that they can take life!
When you join the masons you do have to give your soul. they want complete power over you. As Peer stated part of their ritual is the reserection of life, fine but to be reserected they first have to die YES! well then comes rebirth, taking a soul the forth dimential being comes through and takes that person over. Fantasy poppycock! i can hear you say, well this is my belief and much has been wrote about this.

Necrophilia is used in the ritual, i have known undertakers who are masons and the practice of bodilly parts have been taken for the use of ritualistic means.
The whole Bohemian grove thing is another ritual that takes place and it has been said that bodies are burnt and giving to Marduk the owl god.

There is a lot of blood ritual going on.

If these masons are such a caring peace loving group why do they form a group anyway why can't they go out nd help others as an individual.
Because everything is about money with the masons it's their god, gold is their god.
And if you want to tell me about the wonderful things they do for charity well don't bother because most charities are run by these groups and there is always a hand out for the chosen ones your hard earned cash that you give so freely to help some poor kid out in Africa, or the disabled, or the underdeveloped country will simply be lost in administration and costs to advertise.
I will not give to charity it's about time they show this for the scam that it is.

[sleepingnomore]

How to raise the Serpent in this wilderness of worldly illusion is THE most guarded secret on the planet .Forget UFOS and Free energy

So you are alluding that raising the kundalini is the equivalent of the ascention? Is that correct?

[Peer]

Jaqui please stop your dum lies.
The ritual of death and resurrection symbolises the death of the ego and the rebirth of the being you really are.
I am glad people like you are no more in power nowadays or else I would be burning right now.

@martina:
It were the jesuits who burned the katahrs and later tried to extinct the masons because they were free thinking beings and therefore enemies of the church.

Ok, sorry for this last post.

[777 The Great Work]

So you are alluding that raising the kundalini is the equivalent of the ascention? Is that correct?

Based on my understanding of the teachings. All phases of initiation must have experience and then there is the ascension. The soul can at that point decide if it ever wants to incarnate again to help up lift humanity until the last soul has reached perfection or it can move on to next level.

[SoulSuspect]

I know there is NO god named EGO!. It was a joke by the way. A play on words if you will. Get it now, ones ego is worshiped as a God. They worship themselves or oneself. A god named EGO, ones own ego. Think about it. lol

One

[capreycorn]

help up lift humanity until the last soul has reached perfection or it can move on to next level.


where is that written?
this is something i hold as firm belief since very young...
(never thought that there was an option though)

[Steve_A]

Hi Jacqui D,

On the contrary to Peer, I'm glad that you think as you do. I'm sure that you must thuink that any religion where someone is 'ressurected', 'born again' or even 'reincarneted' must be Devil worshippers. Of course that would have to include every religion on the planet as every religion has the same doctrine.

I've seen plent of photos of Freemasons and I don't thuink they wear anything too outrageous, like a bishop for example. I mean what's with that big hat and huge walking stick? It must be to capture and beat little children like the Catholics did years ago.

As for taking life, the majority of murderers are Christian. Fathom that one out.

I'm not too sure about Necrophilia. I think you need to check up in a dictionary about that one.

Why does any religious group form a group? Why are there spiritual centers everywhere? What about Sunday School trying to brainwash the toddlers? It just doesen't make sense does it? Ha damn Freemasons going to a temple. Terrible. Right? they're just like....just like.....just like Christians!
Bhuddists! Muslims! Jews! Oh my omnipotent God!

You shouldn't judge all Freemasons based on your brother in law. If he's tight with his individual charity, that's his business.

Finally, the church that is more business orientated is the Universal Church, which over here in Brazil have been indicted in crimes which include laundering money (very Christian), and have now their own national TV station, selling advertising space to all and sundry.

The richest church on this planet is the Roman Catholic church that even owns a country (Vaticano). Go figure.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to defend the Freemasons, I'm just trying to look at your arguments from the opposite angle so that conclusions can be made.

Best regards,

Steve




I am not a mason but i do know some, they are in my family my brother in law was a master mason i have seen his regalia also hm! less said on that one i think.
The mason's are the power that be on this earth and i'm sorry to say this but if you do not join you will not get on in this life!

They are a sect to themselves and as was said before they only help there own.
They also can make peoples lives a misery, causing illness, loss of work as i believe and this is my own belief that they can take life!
When you join the masons you do have to give your soul. they want complete power over you. As Peer stated part of their ritual is the reserection of life, fine but to be reserected they first have to die YES! well then comes rebirth, taking a soul the forth dimential being comes through and takes that person over. Fantasy poppycock! i can hear you say, well this is my belief and much has been wrote about this.

Necrophilia is used in the ritual, i have known undertakers who are masons and the practice of bodilly parts have been taken for the use of ritualistic means.
The whole Bohemian grove thing is another ritual that takes place and it has been said that bodies are burnt and giving to Marduk the owl god.

There is a lot of blood ritual going on.

If these masons are such a caring peace loving group why do they form a group anyway why can't they go out nd help others as an individual.
Because everything is about money with the masons it's their god, gold is their god.
And if you want to tell me about the wonderful things they do for charity well don't bother because most charities are run by these groups and there is always a hand out for the chosen ones your hard earned cash that you give so freely to help some poor kid out in Africa, or the disabled, or the underdeveloped country will simply be lost in administration and costs to advertise.
I will not give to charity it's about time they show this for the scam that it is.

[Reunite]

Lets not forget one of Project Camelot's whislteblowers Leo Zagami, 33rd Freemason who delves into the lifestyle of a high ranking Freemason. He'd had enough of the horrifying Satanic, black magic rituals, mind control and torture that was going on inside the lodges, behind closed doors.

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=_nLfRsReGII

[Kelphi]

Steve A.

And

Peer,

Everyone is aware that at the high degrees of freemasons exist deliberate and purposefully intended evil. Evil is a religion. Every world view is a religion. Even the blue mason's are first lured by Christian principles (a religion) and they even speak of Jesus Christ (a religion) in their lodges. Biblical characters, regardless of their insignificance, ie Hiram are portrayed and ceremoniously acted out to give the ignorant and undiscerning person a false impression.

Every ceremonial enactment within every lodge or temple is by design to ridicule biblical Christianity. Christians that are mason's are just simply ignorant.

It is obvious that what you accuse others of not understanding is the very thing you are guilty of. I would spend a little more time understanding Christianity before you let your atheistic (also a religion) belief expose your ignorance any further. For if you fully understood biblical Christianity you would understand the many cults against it and just what the NWO is all about.

Google Bill Schnoebelen and ex-33rd Illuminati mason to learn more about freemason's and what the rest of the people around here know already.

And stop it already with trying to insult our intelligence.

With Love,

Kelphi

[Steve_A]

Hi Kelphi,

Had a quick look for Bill Schnoebelen. He studied spiritualism, ESP and ultimately white witchcraft. By the time he had his bachelor's degree, he was a full-fledged witch (Wiccan).

He's also done an awful lot in 16 years! He continued his Wicca (his wife was a High Priestess - would she ever accept anything less?) he's an expert of the inner circles of the Iluminati, he was a 32degree Freemason, has done trance channeling, they came in contact with supposedly high "Spiritual Masters" (both physical and astral beings (just in case anybody asks)), cultural spiritualism (Voodoo, etc. - what's this etc??) Thelema (the Aleister Crowley cult), Rosicrucianism, the Catholic priesthood, Mormonism, and various Eastern philosophies. Has even spent time in the 'Church of Satan' even getting into underground Satanism! Phew!

Oh I forgot.... he wrote four books with meaty titles like "Blood on the Doorposts" and "Lucifer Dethroned" and gives lectures after he became a 'Born again Evangelist'.

He even came to Brazil to spread the word. :)

Today, Bill and Sharon operate "With One Accord Ministries" (sounds like a winner) and offer not free counseling.

By the way, Aetheism is not a religion as you beleive that there is no God, ergo no religion.

Best regards,

Steve


Steve A.

And

Peer,

Everyone is aware that at the high degrees of freemasons exist deliberate and purposefully intended evil. Evil is a religion. Every world view is a religion. Even the blue mason's are first lured by Christian principles (a religion) and they even speak of Jesus Christ (a religion) in their lodges. Biblical characters, regardless of their insignificance, ie Hiram are portrayed and ceremoniously acted out to give the ignorant and undiscerning person a false impression.

Every ceremonial enactment within every lodge or temple is by design to ridicule biblical Christianity. Christians that are mason's are just simply ignorant.

It is obvious that what you accuse others of not understanding is the very thing you are guilty of. I would spend a little more time understanding Christianity before you let your atheistic (also a religion) belief expose your ignorance any further. For if you fully understood biblical Christianity you would understand the many cults against it and just what the NWO is all about.

Google Bill Schnoebelen and ex-33rd Illuminati mason to learn more about freemason's and what the rest of the people around here know already.

And stop it already with trying to insult our intelligence.

With Love,

Kelphi

[Jacqui D]

I'm sorry if i'm treading on toes here, but i stand by my understanding of what masons trully are.
Okay so there are some good ones i didn't say there wasn't but just getting across all this do good deed stuff is just a front as far as i can see.

It's all about money, you scratch my back i'll scratch yours!
Never mind about the poor beggers who work hard each day and get no where in their lives, just existing to pay bills etc.
Most and i say most before someone says i accuse all wealthy people of being masons but yes they are in.

I don't want to get into religion, i believe in a supreme creator yes i'm not an atheist, but i do not believe in going to church etc, that's just another form of control.

people need to see that the controllers who have us entrapped in this cycle of reincarnation are just these people.
They are in our governments, in our councils, in our education, in our health systems they are running the whole shabang!

If any of you have followed the interviews on camelot you will see for yourselves how the info comes across.
People need to open their eyes to all this, their symbology is all around us, in churches, in town halls, in cinemas even in shops, i will say no more about it just wake up!!

[Steve_A]

Hi Jacqui D,

Just out of curiosity. What are you wanting everybody to wake up to? What are you saying is there when we all wake up?

I can see what you are standing against, but it's not very clear to me of what you are standing for.

Best regards,

Steve


I'm sorry if i'm treading on toes here, but i stand by my understanding of what masons trully are.
Okay so there are some good ones i didn't say there wasn't but just getting across all this do good deed stuff is just a front as far as i can see.

It's all about money, you scratch my back i'll scratch yours!
Never mind about the poor beggers who work hard each day and get no where in their lives, just existing to pay bills etc.
Most and i say most before someone says i accuse all wealthy people of being masons but yes they are in.

I don't want to get into religion, i believe in a supreme creator yes i'm not an atheist, but i do not believe in going to church etc, that's just another form of control.

people need to see that the controllers who have us entrapped in this cycle of reincarnation are just these people.
They are in our governments, in our councils, in our education, in our health systems they are running the whole shabang!

If any of you have followed the interviews on camelot you will see for yourselves how the info comes across.
People need to open their eyes to all this, their symbology is all around us, in churches, in town halls, in cinemas even in shops, i will say no more about it just wake up!!

[Kelphi]

Jacqui,

They are the best at controlling you from going to church.

Steven A.

Atheism is a religion because it is a belief system. You are not immune. Atheists are actually the most religious people on the planet by virtue of sparseness. More than 80% of the planet believe in a god. It takes a lot of religion to believe we did not come from a creator/God. Just look at all this order. Takes a lot of religion to believe it all came from a big bang.

[Steve_A]

Hi Kelphi,

a·the·ism (th-zm)
n.
1.
a. Disbelief in or denial of the existence of God or gods.
b. The DOCTRINE that there is no God or gods.
2. Godlessness; immorality.


re·li·gion (r-ljn)
n.
1.
a. Belief in and reverence for a supernatural power or powers regarded as creator and governor of the universe.
b. A personal or institutionalized system grounded in such belief and worship.
2. The life or condition of a person in a religious order.
3. A set of beliefs, values, and practices based on the teachings of a spiritual leader.
4. A cause, principle, or activity pursued with zeal or conscientious devotion.

doc·trine (dktrn)
n.
1. A principle or body of principles presented for acceptance or belief, as by a religious, political, scientific, or philosophic group; dogma.
2. A rule or principle of law, especially when established by precedent.
3. A statement of official government policy, especially in foreign affairs and military strategy.
4. Archaic Something taught; a teaching.


Don't confuse religion with doctrine.

Best regards,

Steve


Jacqui,

They are the best at controlling you from going to church.

Steven A.

Atheism is a religion because it is a belief system. You are not immune. Atheists are actually the most religious people on the planet by virtue of sparseness. More than 80% of the planet believe in a god. It takes a lot of religion to believe we did not come from a creator/God. Just look at all this order. Takes a lot of religion to believe it all came from a big bang.

[RSF]

Lets not forget one of Project Camelot's whislteblowers Leo Zagami, 33rd Freemason who delves into the lifestyle of a high ranking Freemason. He'd had enough of the horrifying Satanic, black magic rituals, mind control and torture that was going on inside the lodges, behind closed doors.

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=_nLfRsReGII

---

Wow -- pretty-good points. After listening to, two or three of Zagami's interviews he certainly got my attention. He had all the answers +33 Level-masons. None of which I had a clue about. But his intenness on the Norway? thing shocked me a wee-bit further.

In answer to the OP's question "Who's the real god worshipped by high ranking masons" I'd say. "Lucifer"

RSF

[nibiru]

yes peer, you are right....
my father was a 33° mason (top of tops) and what i know of that brotherhood checks with your comment...
no religious group,but they like to call the great divinity : THE GRAND ARQUITECT OF THE UNIVERSE.

[nibiru]

When you are ready, the teacher appears...there is no need in justifying truth seekers or freethinkers....truth shall set you free....

[nibiru]

You have a point...

[taadev]

Love your phrasing, I'll take the bait!

The 'Rich men of the world' and their footsoldiers, the Masons, appear to have 'stolen' and hidden the G-d that was written of in the Dead Sea scrolls.

Look at the prayers found along side the Christian scrolls and you'll see G-d appears to have been a 'She' in that period, then poof, the Words were rewritten and She became a He along with a few other changes.
(Not a single prayer of thanks could be found with a He; it was quite surprising indeed. Along with the missing name of Jesus. IMHO, the story of Christ was a metaphor with numerous true stories of those walking the walk, that were 'crucified'. )

According to research you do not get promoted if you're unwilling to 'spit' on your Bible, whatever it may be.

Also see the book that was awarded at the 14th Degree by Albert Pike and they appear to equate atheism with Luciferism. See also stories/movies on Bohemian Grove for support and also how high it goes.

Read Ted Gunderson/Svali and find out just how evil these *******s are leveraging children to gain power in various unbelievable, but apparently true ways.

I would not be so sure this was The "Real" G-d, but it does appear to be an power wielding entity of some sort that the Aztecs and others also worshipped via living human sacrifices.

[mntruthseeker]

This question is for you Peer especially or anyone else that might know the answer. I am putting it out here as a question I am trying to search for an answer of

I have read or heard (via video) three times now that the god that the masonaries worship is simply god.

I heard that Lucifer is the real god. And their god is esus (or thats how it is pronounced anyhow) So who is right?

Did they switch the words up on all of us so we are actually worshipping the wrong person?

After all what do I know I know nothing of my past lifes.

[sleepingnomore]

I've seen plent of photos of Freemasons and I don't thuink they wear anything too outrageous, like a bishop for example. I mean what's with that big hat and huge walking stick? It must be to capture and beat little children like the Catholics did years ago.

Compare a bishop to a combination of an Egyptian High Priest and a Pharoh and you'll figure out their garmets. Wow, sorry I haven't visited here for awhile.

[777 The Great Work]

[QUOTE=Kelphi;76697]Jacqui,

They are the best at controlling you from going to church.

We really have to start studying and unraveling the English language. The word church derives from the greek goddess CIRCE. Circe was know to invite men into her camp and make them intoxicated with her wine and seduce them. This word was chosen based on the agenda of organized religion seducing man and causing him to seek outside of him self for the divine.

Circe is the woman in revelations with the golden cup that made mankind drunk with her religion.This is also where we get the word Circus and a circus it is.Circe is the Whore of Babylon. Don't take my word, seek it out for youself.

[rimax]

Nonsense.

Masons do not worship any god because it is no religion.
That's why any free man of any religion can join.
In Masonic lodges therefore discussions about religion and politics are a no no.
It is true that Masons use religious symbols or better said: Uses symbolisme several religions also use.

The inventors of Jahweh have named every other diety than theirs "the devil."
Christianity actually is the only religion with this god/devil duality, the devil being the dark side of the force.
The name Jahweh as the name of god is only as old as christianity so let's say about 1500 years and before that time this god was called Adonai, the jewish name.
Humanity has always had its gods and their names may differ but the idea behind it:
"The highest and almighty being" is the same.
People seem to need a supreme being.

It is true that the old order of the Knights Templar had rather weird, exotic (to say the least) rites.
It is also true that FreeMasonry is said to stem from those Knights Templar but

FreeMasonry is not a religion but a brotherhood and the secret word is NOT Jabulon.

Pardon me for asking, but if Jabulon is not the secret word then is there a secret word and if so why have one. Thank you.
"As above so below"

[KathyT]

I am going to give my opinion about Masons. I am a woman. My husband’s father has been a staunch Mason all his life. Early on, I realized that Masons was ALL about Men, and would not allow a woman to be a Mason. Please, don’t anyone try to convince me that women can be in Eastern Star instead (which allows both men and women to join.)

This flat out discrimination is repugnant to me. And I continue to be vocal and tell any Mason what I think of their discriminatory fellowship anytime it’s necessary. Yep, my father-in-law heard my opinion many times.

[Alexandra]

Those who are not masons have no basis, but hearsay, to condemn their organization. Unless you are a part of an activity or organization, then you do not know any truths thereof. If you were born in the USA or Europe, then, believe it or not, your ancestors were masons, somewhere along the line. The masonic order began as a trade group to protect those in the building trades. A trade union, if you will, with normal union members Most of you have bricklayers, stone masons, ect. for ancestry trades.

I am appalled by the number of people on this forum that swear whatever negative book they read or negative interview they see is the gospel. As long as it is portraying something bad about someone or something then it is considered truth . Perhaps you do not realize that by focusing on how bad everyone is that you are giving more power to evil than to good. This is called worshipping evil. Think about it. If you are a bible believer, then you should not have to worry about evil because God is all powerful. If you do not believe the bible as truth then you should be way beyond hate by this time.

You all are so into ascension [ I call it finally learning to graduate], but you still hang on to the old paradigms of hate and pointing fingers at others. This is elitism at best. "I am better than you" mindset. This is as old as civilization itself. There are those who are more positive in their approach to life and those who are opposite in their approach to life. Notice, I do not say negative because it is irrelevant and relative. What is negative to one may be new and positve to another. Have you ever been smothered and styfled by a "positve" person thinking they are the practicing the truth? This is why postive and negative is relative to the sender and receiver.

The law of acceptance, means just that. Accept that those amongst you are different, not evil. All things are the creator, both sides brought to balance. This is why you are here; to learn this simple fact and to achieve balance and become within the one.

Alexandra

[Gnosis5]

In the Vatican there is a huge golden sphere and I think that is the real "force" that they seek knowledge of and revere. It seems to be a representation of the prime mover unmoved.

Of course it could be that they are gods unto themselves, lol.

[Gnosis5]

Alexandra, I agree with you, thank you for the correction. The best leaders are the ones who can see all viewpoints involved without dramatic reactivity and getting pulled into the game.



Those who are not masons have no basis, but hearsay, to condemn their organization. Unless you are a part of an activity or organization, then you do not know any truths thereof. If you were born in the USA or Europe, then, believe it or not, your ancestors were masons, somewhere along the line. The masonic order began as a trade group to protect those in the building trades. A trade union, if you will, with normal union members Most of you have bricklayers, stone masons, ect. for ancestry trades.

I am appalled by the number of people on this forum that swear whatever negative book they read or negative interview they see is the gospel. As long as it is portraying something bad about someone or something then it is considered truth . Perhaps you do not realize that by focusing on how bad everyone is that you are giving more power to evil than to good. This is called worshipping evil. Think about it. If you are a bible believer, then you should not have to worry about evil because God is all powerful. If you do not believe the bible as truth then you should be way beyond hate by this time.

You all are so into ascension [ I call it finally learning to graduate], but you still hang on to the old paradigms of hate and pointing fingers at others. This is elitism at best. "I am better than you" mindset. This is as old as civilization itself. There are those who are more positive in their approach to life and those who are opposite in their approach to life. Notice, I do not say negative because it is irrelevant and relative. What is negative to one may be new and positve to another. Have you ever been smothered and styfled by a "positve" person thinking they are the practicing the truth? This is why postive and negative is relative to the sender and receiver.

The law of acceptance, means just that. Accept that those amongst you are different, not evil. All things are the creator, both sides brought to balance. This is why you are here; to learn this simple fact and to achieve balance and become within the one.

Alexandra

[GoingToFast]

They Worship the god (god's) who gave Thutmose's-III the 10-COMANDMENTS.
Now, figure that one out if you can.

[rosie]

Hi Peer,
Thank you for bringing some education into this. It is very much appreciated.

:original:

love & peace

[Alexandra]

They Worship the god (god's) who gave Thutmose's-III the 10-COMANDMENTS.
Now, figure that one out if you can.

This is an outright falacy. The only god they believe in is the one they worship outside of the masons. This is not a religion. The masons is an age old fraternity. People of all faiths are welcome. Religion is not discussed, practiced, or even mentioned. The only belief you must have is a belief in the Superior higher power of your choice, e.g. Jehovah, God, Allah, Buddha, Krishna, Adonai, The Creator, ect.

I suggest that perhaps it would be a good thing to investigate properly any subject on which you intend to comment. A good start would be from a reliable and not a sensational yellow journalistic source.

Attitudes, such as yours, is what causes so much dissention on this planet. Uninformed sources making false accusations against innocent parties. Did you know that when you do this that this breaks one of the ten commandments that you so highly treasure? "Do not bear false witness against thy neighbor".

Alexandra:original:

[GoingToFast]

This is an outright falacy. The only god they believe in is the one they worship outside of the masons. This is not a religion. The masons is an age old fraternity. People of all faiths are welcome. Religion is not discussed, practiced, or even mentioned. The only belief you must have is a belief in the Superior higher power of your choice, e.g. Jehovah, God, Allah, Buddha, Krishna, Adonai, The Creator, ect.

I suggest that perhaps it would be a good thing to investigate properly any subject on which you intend to comment. A good start would be from a reliable and not a sensational yellow journalistic source.

Attitudes, such as yours, is what causes so much dissention on this planet. Uninformed sources making false accusations against innocent parties. Did you know that when you do this that this breaks one of the ten commandments that you so highly treasure? "Do not bear false witness against thy neighbor".

Alexandra:original:

The pharaoh Thutmoses-III where MOSES.
And Who where the Hebrews? They were the BUILDERS of ancient Egypt.

[GoingToFast]

Here's a few more for you.

Who is the "GUARDIAN OF THE TRUE FAITH".

Who is the Free-Masons "SUPREME PATRON".

British isles, B' RITH-ISH.

And one more thing, calling a Hebrew Jew is like calling a BUILDER a JEWELLER.

[GoingToFast]

Here's another one for you.

B'RITH=COVENANT.
Covenant, meaning a solemn contract, oath, or bond, is the customary word used to translate the Hebrew word berith (ברית, Tiberian Hebrew bərîṯ, Standard Hebrew bərit) as it is used in the Hebrew Bible, thus it is important to all Abrahamic religions. The equivalent word in the Septuagint and the New Testament is diatheke, see also Strong's G1242.

[GoingToFast]

If there ever will be a ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT it's main CAPITOL will NOT lay in Israel. The main capitol will be LONDON, as it has been sins the fall of the Roman Empire. And for GOOD REASON or should I say FOR (the) GOD'S REASON.
Haven't you wondered about all them CROP-CIRCELS,hey

[GoingToFast]

And on a final note, the Masons real name is THE GREAT WHITE BROTHERHOOD.

[Alexandra]

Well, I am so sorry, I didn"t realize that you were such a scholar of U-Tube University.

Are You Egyptian?
Are You Hebrew?
Are You a Mason?
Are You an adept of the Great White Brotherhood?
Are you a researcher of any renowned legitimate books of history?
Are you a spiritual person who is trying to learn and grow?
Do you believe that anyone is right other that you?

I need much more than u-tube as an answer.

None of the information you have presented makes any sense. You make statements and do not support them with bonified text.
:original:Alexandra

[Christo888]

[QUOTE=Kelphi;76697]Jacqui,

They are the best at controlling you from going to church.

We really have to start studying and unraveling the English language. The word church derives from the greek goddess CIRCE. Circe was know to invite men into her camp and make them intoxicated with her wine and seduce them. This word was chosen based on the agenda of organized religion seducing man and causing him to seek outside of him self for the divine.

Circe is the woman in revelations with the golden cup that made mankind drunk with her religion.This is also where we get the word Circus and a circus it is.Circe is the Whore of Babylon. Don't take my word, seek it out for youself.

:thumb_yello::thumb_yello::thumb_yello:

Perhaps we do not even have to become a Mason or go to Church to become a 33rd degree highest ranking initiate!

http://www.cirquedusoleil.com/en/default.asp

Beatles anyone!

It's just entertainment!:nono:

[David]

Can someone sum up why masons are evil? Learning about all this Mason stuff sure is confusing.

Inquiring minds want to know.

[GoingToFast]

Well, I am so sorry, I didn"t realize that you were such a scholar of U-Tube University.

Are You Egyptian?
Are You Hebrew?
Are You a Mason?
Are You an adept of the Great White Brotherhood?
Are you a researcher of any renowned legitimate books of history?
Are you a spiritual person who is trying to learn and grow?
Do you believe that anyone is right other that you?

I need much more than u-tube as an answer.

None of the information you have presented makes any sense. You make statements and do not support them with bonified text.
:original:Alexandra


From the top.
1. No I'm not, I'm Swedish
2. Yes I am. (belive it or not but we are all Hebrew)
3. No but I am a postulant to A.M.O.R.C.
4. If I get initiated in to A.M.O.R.C. I will be part of the Brotherhood.
5. I read books if you can call that reasearch.
6. Yeas I am.
7. If someone are right, they are right , and if someone are wrong, they are wrong. It's as simple as that.

And the Masons are NOT evil.

[Ashatav]

Ahh, of course Lucifer, just read the REAL "morals & Dogma" by Albert Pike, there's shows it clearly.

That's because the jesuits infiltrated every organization ho shows up and in the higher levels are allways luciferians.

The jesuits are ehhmm, let's put this way, the right hand of the eye.

Madame Blavasky was a female mason to and she created teosophy who are the bases of the New Age movement who is the "hierarchy" to the masses, and that means the "luciferic ancient doctrine" to everyone.

Let's see a cuple of quotes from her:

"Lucifer represents.. Life.. Thought.. Progress.. Civilization.. Liberty.. Independence.. Lucifer is the Logos..the Serpent, the Savior." The Secret Doctrine' by Helen Petrovna Blavatsky on pages 171, 225, 255, (Vol. 11)

"It is Satan who is God of our planet and the only God." pages 215, 216, 220, 245, 255, 233, (VI)

Cheers

[Peer]

Hi KathyT,
that was exactly why I left: The discrimination part.
Not because the intentions are bad.

[Peer]

Hi Peer,
Thank you for bringing some education into this. It is very much appreciated.

:original:

love & peace

Thank you Debbie.

[Peer]

From the top.
1. No I'm not, I'm Swedish
2. Yes I am.
3. No but I am a postulant to A.M.O.R.C.
4. If I get initiated in to A.M.O.R.C. I will be part of the Brotherhood.
5. I read books if you can call that reasearch.
6. Yeas I am.
7. If someone are right, they are right , and if someone are wrong, they are wrong. It's as simple as that.

And the Masons are NOT evil.

Do not mistake the A.M.O.R.C. for masonry my friend.

[Peer]

Pardon me for asking, but if Jabulon is not the secret word then is there a secret word and if so why have one. Thank you.
"As above so below"

No Jabulon is not the secret word.
What use would the word be to you if you don't have the other marks that go with it?
Then why should I tell you?

[GoingToFast]

Do not mistake the A.M.O.R.C. for masonry my friend.

No I am not mistaking A.M.O.R.C. for masonry, But A.M.O.R.C. is part of the GREAT WHITE BROTHERHOOD (and white have nothing to do with skin colour).

[Peer]

No I am not mistaking A.M.O.R.C. for masonry, But A.M.O.R.C. is part of the GREAT WHITE BROTHERHOOD (and white have nothing to do with skin colour).

For you I hope reality will meet your expectations.

[GoingToFast]

For you I hope reality will meet your expectations.

Peer, the main reason for me to become a postulant to A.M.O.R.C. was the Ancient Mystical and Esoteric teaching which is something that is not so predominant in the Free-Masons if I'm not mistaken, also curiosity was a reason. In this short time I have come to understand that the Masons purpose of existence is NOT evil.
I do know that some of the members are pompous A**HOLES but that doesn't make them evil does it.

[Peer]

Peer, the main reason for me to become a postulant to A.M.O.R.C. was the Ancient Mystical and Esoteric teaching which is something that is not so predominant in the Free-Masons, if I'm not mistaken, also curiosity was a reason. In this short time I have come to understand that the Masons purpose of existence is NOT evil.
I do know that some of the members are pompous A**HOLES but that doesn't make them evil does it.

Hai GTF, it is always good to go and find the old writings and see what they bring.
But as I stated before: Masons do not worship any god and that is why all men of all religion can unite as Free Masons.
The bible is one of the attributes yes but if one member is a Muslim and another member is a Mormon you will find beside the bible also the quoran and the book of mormon because they do not contain the truth as many say but wisdom and they are used as a symbol of that.

The supreme being is addressed to as the High Architect of the Universe but still there is no worshiping.
Every lodge is autonome as is every mason and the task of every mason is to individually look for the truth, no more, no less.
Doing so you could consider yourself a mason....:welcomeani:

[GoingToFast]

Hai GTF, it is always good to go and find the old writings and see what they bring.
But as I stated before: Masons do not worship any god and that is why all men of all religion can unite as Free Masons.
The bible is one of the attributes yes but if one member is a Muslim and another member is a Mormon you will find beside the bible also the quoran and the book of mormon because they do not contain the truth as many say but wisdom and they are used as a symbol of that.

The supreme being is addressed to as the High Architect of the Universe but still there is no worshiping.
Every lodge is autonome as is every mason and the task of every mason is to individually look for the truth, no more, no less.
Doing so you could consider yourself a mason....:welcomeani:

OK peer I meet you half way and say this.
The foundation of Masonry are the TEN-COMMANDMENTS given to thutMOSES-III by the GOD'S (plural/ET) who ewer they may be.
If I'm not mistaken the Commandments are the foundation of many religions.
thutMOSES-III were also the founder of the BROTHERHOOD.

[RSF]

From what I can tell after reading some of the maze of stuff out there, re who's the real god worshipped by high ranking masons, I suggest above the 31st degree -- Satan.
Frankly, the Mason/Illuminati area has me more perplexed than the UFO problem? Where the truth lies, I'm not sure?, but keep an open mind that all is not what it seems.

RSF

[Fredkc]

Who's the real god worshiped by high rank masons?


Do you think the eternal creator of all gives a damn how and by what name, or sex he is refered to?

Do you think that because someone disguises not-God as God, that my energies are lent to this creation? Does it matter since it won't include my intent?

Do you think a name, a rock, a crystal, a splotch of paint on a wall in some particular shape, carries some innate power/intent other than what you invest in it?

Just how do you design a not-God so no one can tell, then redirect their energies, without their intelligent intent, to some other purpose? How do you then hijack their real intent? And then, how do you stop them from subsequently getting a "bigger God"?
"It should be self evident that if there is only oneness, then anything else that appears to exist, must have been made up. Furthermore it must have been made up for appeared to be a very damned good reason.

Thus instead of judging the world and everything in it, perhaps it would be more helpful for you to ask what value you saw in making it up in the first place. It may also be wise to ask yourself what would be a more appropriate response to it now."
God Is... even patience is re-defined.

[GoingToFast]

Who where the Hebrews?
They where the BUILDERS of ancient Egypt.
The BUILDING of all the temples of ancient Egypt where enormous projects that demanded an enormous amount of people and the project's spanned over very long periods of time.
More than three thousand years in total.
In effect that created an continuous influx of people from all over the world, and in some cases entire tribes came to Egypt, Egypt became a gigantic MELTINGPOT of all races and all religions.
The Hebrew (builders) race is a race with ALL races WITHIN.

Who were MOSES?
MOSES were actually the Pharaoh Thutmoses-III, A HEBREW.
When the God's (ET's) gave the Pharaoh ThutMOSES-III the Ten Commandments they were actually giving the Commandments to ALL PEOPLE of ALL RACES and ALL RELIGIONS.
When the God's (ET's) said "YOU ARE THE CHOOSEN PEOPLE" they were actually choosing ALL people.
Do you see the beauty in this.

WE ARE ALL HEBREW--WE ARE THE BUILDERS OF THIS WORLD.

[Antaletriangle]

! minute 34 secs into this video the real 'unmentionable' name of their god is mentioned.
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=M3wXS8ctN24&feature=related
JAH-BUL-ON.

[PodWORLD]

Cheers for the info GTF. I've seen every angle of Egypt argued re the Masons. I've read the Israelites were the Pharoah's, I've read they were the slaves, I've read they were never actually in Egypt. The builders that Masonry claims a connection with were from Tyre where the character of C'Hiram Abiff was placed. That's why the temple of Solomon is important.

In answer to the question Mason's have infinite respect for the great polymaths of the past who all agreed on the idea of the ethereal god universe. So they don't concern themselves with God's or devils.

There's plenty of controversy and claim regarding them but why should they be any different to all the other organisations, governments and religions that everybody loves and hates in equal measure.

[Alexandra]

From the top.
1. No I'm not, I'm Swedish
2. Yes I am. (belive it or not but we are all Hebrew)
3. No but I am a postulant to A.M.O.R.C.
4. If I get initiated in to A.M.O.R.C. I will be part of the Brotherhood.
5. I read books if you can call that reasearch.
6. Yeas I am.
7. If someone are right, they are right , and if someone are wrong, they are wrong. It's as simple as that.

And the Masons are NOT evil.

Well, there is some confusion here. I thought you were against the masons and stating that they are evil. If this is not the case, then my mistake and I apologize.


Alexandra

[Christo888]

Fredkc; "A bit of advice: Do try to be off-planet by 5/7/2012 - call it a hunch."


Hunch well taken.

[taadev]

Then you heard wrong.
You can leave whenever you like and come back as well.
In the rituals you go through death and resurrection and as you see:
I made it!
In no way you have to give your soul away.
I don't think your stupid, you just don't know.
You still believe in the boogieman?

For over a decade the practice of philanthropy by those that had also been witnessed to commit very unethical deeds confused me to no end. Are you good or are you bad? How could you be both?

Finally, and only due to a very high ranking community member getting caught with his hand in a very unethical 'cookie jar', did the answer reveal itself. As his behavior hit the media, a fellow 'brother' then came forward to hold up his social work as a sort of badge of honor. This was to plea for leniency with those that KNEW and it also helped to build incredulity in the masses that had only read the reports. As other 'brothers' and sisters were using the background sneaker net, whisper net, gossip net, to claim he was setup in the first place; the matter, so they claimed, was 'entirely political', that judge so and so, was actually what they all knew: a man of the community 'helping whenever he could'; volunteering his time. It was all said to be ****; to the Sheeple anyway; the lawyers knew otherwise

In short the philanthropy is to build a sort of social Teflon, such that whenever trouble arises, it can be mitigated.

Freemasonry, at the upper levels is equal to atheism, which, we learned from Albert Pike's book, is equal to Luciferism. (See book that was awarded to masons at the 14th degree; at least until it became public.)

Although, belief in G-d is apparently respected at the lower degrees, those that cling to their beliefs, and refuse to defile religious artifacts/holy books, do not become 'Adepts'; they do not get promoted as they tend to have a conscience. (See Behold a Pale Horse, by an American PATRIOT named William Cooper. This has been double checked from other sources.)

The Jewish masses of Germany were persecuted, as always, because of the corruption of their leadership. Just like in 1492 when they were found to be financially involved in every dissident group that were standing against the entrenched monarchy. Stirring the pot. In my travels throughout America, also witnessed were the same exact behavior. (In the native American groups, pounding the drums of war and also the group called “la raza”. (Started and financed by the Rockefeller's themselves.) Why? IMHO, to leverage the people against the people in the crash they've appeared to architect. To leverage the chaos/fear/violence/crime to bring about a world government where people believe they need to have a police state.

Would it not be wonder if the upper Masons and their bankster friends believed, themselves, in the “Go out and share” philosophy? The world would be a safer place instead of on the ledge of anarchy.

[Christo888]

Maybe I’m off-base here, but couldn’t anyone regardless of intellect just simply ask Divine Intelligence for any or all Truth to appear in whatever form or sign or event or circumstance in order for that Truth to be best disseminated for that individual? That would certainly upset the apple cart of keeping secrets in any form. Asking for the Truth to be shown to you and ‘Allowing’ that circumstance to develop in order for the understanding to show itself would certainly remove the walls of secrets. If anyone begins the idea of Self-Awareness or starts to poke in on Self-Empowerment then don’t they have full access to all Truth and no one can stop or step in to change that? There is no more power being given away to other leaders or systems.

And why does anyone have to belong to, or have to join, or sign-up for, or have to associate, or believe in, or take a vow for, or partake in any ritual governed by some leaders rules of what that leader says is the way to find Truth. So we’ve had a bunch of secret society’s, and religions, and governments, and educational degree paths, and oaths, and vows, and brotherhoods, and mind programming techniques, etc., Does one just simply let the secrets come out however those secrets want to show themselves to the asker? So the brotherhoods and the 'society's are no longer needed.

[Peer]

OK peer I meet you half way and say this.
The foundation of Masonry are the TEN-COMMANDMENTS given to thutMOSES-III by the GOD'S (plural/ET) who ewer they may be.
If I'm not mistaken the Commandments are the foundation of many religions.
thutMOSES-III were also the founder of the BROTHERHOOD.

I am sorry but Masonry doesn't work by the ten commandments.

[Peer]

Who where the Hebrews?
They where the BUILDERS of ancient Egypt.
The BUILDING of all the temples of ancient Egypt where enormous projects that demanded an enormous amount of people and the project's spanned over very long periods of time.
More than 3 thousand years in total.
In effect that created an continuous influx of people from all over the world, and in some cases entire tribes came to Egypt, Egypt became a gigantic MELTINGPOT of all races and all religions.
The Hebrew (builders) race is a race with ALL races WITHIN.

Who were MOSES?
MOSES were actually the Pharaoh Thutmoses-III, A HEBREW.
When the God's (plural/ET) gave the Pharaoh ThutMOSES the Ten Commandments they were actually giving the Commandments to ALL PEOPLE of ALL RACES and ALL RELIGIONS.
Do you see the beauty in this.
WE ARE ALL HEBREW--WE ARE THE BUILDERS OF THIS WORLD.

I'm sorry GTF, you got a few things mixed up and another few things turned around.
Moses was a jew yes but he was brought up as an egyptian prince and therefore a priest.
The jews were slaves but he needed followers so he took the slaves out of egypt WITH the secret knowledge he, being a trained priest had and that of course was not to the likings of the pharao of course
But the hebrews did not build the pyramids. Actually until now it is still unknown who really did.
They turned out to be much older than assumed and several techniques have been used that we with our technology nowadays still cannot comprehend.

[RSF]

Perhap's not in the end. Just in the beginning.
RSF

[taadev]

Well, I am so sorry, I didn"t realize that you were such a scholar of U-Tube University.

Are You Egyptian?
Are You Hebrew?
Are You a Mason?
Are You an adept of the Great White Brotherhood?
Are you a researcher of any renowned legitimate books of history?
Are you a spiritual person who is trying to learn and grow?
Do you believe that anyone is right other that you?

I need much more than u-tube as an answer.

None of the information you have presented makes any sense. You make statements and do not support them with bonified text.
:original:Alexandra

What about the victims of the Mason? Do they count or is this just 'heresay'? You watch these witnesses for yourself and make up your own mind.

I've personally witnessed the results of these *******s work and had it confirmed many times. They DO leverage children as they're the ultimate tool for this purpose. (Infiltration.) This is FIRST hand information.
They've threatened me many times with their footsoldiers on BOTH sides of the law. In America anyway, they cause many 'accidents' to happen to those that stand in their way or attempt to bring in the authorities. I've laughed in their face when they just KNEW I'd go running away.

While I know the lower degrees are filled with honorable men, they are quite brainwashed and ignorant as to what all goes on and WHY. If they knew the many ways children are used they'd flip; most of them anyway. There are many in the upper-socioeconomic area that are aware ,but are scared to death, despite their loathing of the practice, as they know the scope and the "You're either with us or against us" mentality.

[RSF]

Nothing Leo Zagami about that. Or is there?
RSF

[taadev]

Well, I am so sorry, I didn"t realize that you were such a scholar of U-Tube University.

Are You Egyptian?
Are You Hebrew?
Are You a Mason?
Are You an adept of the Great White Brotherhood?
Are you a researcher of any renowned legitimate books of history?
Are you a spiritual person who is trying to learn and grow?
Do you believe that anyone is right other that you?

I need much more than u-tube as an answer.

None of the information you have presented makes any sense. You make statements and do not support them with bonified text.
:original:Alexandra

There are many professors and witnesses we'd not see if it were not for youtube. Naturally, it had to be BOUGHT by the Freemason machine and, despite the truths therein, is highly controlled and monitored.

Just like this forum, there are many people that appear to be paid to sprinkle doubts.

[taadev]

I am going to give my opinion about Masons. I am a woman. My husband’s father has been a staunch Mason all his life. Early on, I realized that Masons was ALL about Men, and would not allow a woman to be a Mason. Please, don’t anyone try to convince me that women can be in Eastern Star instead (which allows both men and women to join.)

This flat out discrimination is repugnant to me. And I continue to be vocal and tell any Mason what I think of their discriminatory fellowship anytime it’s necessary. Yep, my father-in-law heard my opinion many times.

My theory on why this is the case is that most women have hearts and would resist, if not divulge, most of their sociopathical tactics; especially when it comes to leveraging children for infiltration and organized Mobbing.

If you read the Dead Sea scrolls, and of other pre "Christian" cultures, you'll see strong evidence of a predominantly MATRIARCHAL world; even in the middle east. This apparently was 'fixed' when the Words of G-d from numerous cultures were collated/rewritten and last but not least, edited into the Torah and the Christian books.
*Additional sources are available upon request, but it's a LONG reading list.

[GoingToFast]

The foundation of Masonry are the TEN-COMMANDMENTS given to thutMOSES-III by the GOD'S (ET's) who ewer they may be.
The TEN-COMMANDMENT'S are not really the foundation for any religion's.
The TEN-COMMANDMENT'S are the foundation for LAW, they are the CONSTITUTION for mankind.
That is why it is called the LAW OF MOSES.

[Alexandra]

What about the victims of the Mason? Do they count or is this just 'heresay'? You watch these witnesses for yourself and make up your own mind.

I've personally witnessed the results of these *******s work and had it confirmed many times. They DO leverage children as they're the ultimate tool for this purpose. (Infiltration.) This is FIRST hand information.
They've threatened me many times with their footsoldiers on BOTH sides of the law. In America anyway, they cause many 'accidents' to happen to those that stand in their way or attempt to bring in the authorities. I've laughed in their face when they just KNEW I'd go running away.

While I know the lower degrees are filled with honorable men, they are quite brainwashed and ignorant as to what all goes on and WHY. If they knew the many ways children are used they'd flip; most of them anyway. There are many in the upper-socioeconomic area that are aware ,but are scared to death, despite their loathing of the practice, as they know the scope and the "You're either with us or against us" mentality.



Unless you have personally been a mason and not just known someone, who is a member, then yes, it is hearsay. There are good and bad elements in all organizations. No one is exempt from that fact. Name me one organization that you feel is a good group and I will point out bad things known about them. Please...........Organizations are just a reflection of the mix of individuals on this planet. One is only a victim if one allows this to happen. I personally know about this fact. Been there, done that, and changed my focus. Therefore, I know it can be done. You of course will retort well what about the children? They didn't ask to be victims. None of us ask to be victims. Remember that we are multidimensional beings and we chose our situations before coming to this life. We do this in order to accomplish a certain goal in a given amount of time.

The ascension process, that everyone is so fond of talking about, is merely attained by experiential training. This mostly involves dramatic reality experience in matter. Drama, generally speaking, is not all love and light and flowers. The object is choice and learning to bring opposites to a balance within oneself. Unconditional love of all of creation is the only way to achieve ascension. Unconditional love means "Would you lay your life down for anyone and all creation? Would you sacrifice what you believe is life so that another could live?" This does not mean killing other people and destroying creation either. It also means that despising anyone or anything in creation is counter productive to the final goal.

Therefore, organizations, governments, ect. are not responsible for your plight on this plane - you are. They are here as part of choice for all to have selections on how they wish to achieve their goals.

:original:Alexandra

[Peer]

What about the victims of the Mason? Do they count or is this just 'heresay'? You watch these witnesses for yourself and make up your own mind.

I've personally witnessed the results of these *******s work and had it confirmed many times. They DO leverage children as they're the ultimate tool for this purpose. (Infiltration.) This is FIRST hand information.
They've threatened me many times with their footsoldiers on BOTH sides of the law. In America anyway, they cause many 'accidents' to happen to those that stand in their way or attempt to bring in the authorities. I've laughed in their face when they just KNEW I'd go running away.

While I know the lower degrees are filled with honorable men, they are quite brainwashed and ignorant as to what all goes on and WHY. If they knew the many ways children are used they'd flip; most of them anyway. There are many in the upper-socioeconomic area that are aware ,but are scared to death, despite their loathing of the practice, as they know the scope and the "You're either with us or against us" mentality.

Sorry taadev, I'll be so blunt to say I don't believe a word you say here and I will not discuss anymore with you on this subject.
As far as I can conclude you have never ever seen a Mason closer than a mile.
I can't think of a single reason why you should have been threatened by anyone.
What danger could you be to them?
What shelter could you offer to the "victims" you say you have met?
Have you witnessed these rituals?
I don't think so so it's not first hand but hearsay.
Ok, enough of this.
Don't accuse someone or something you know nothing about, please.

[Jacqui D]

This is obviously a subject to many hearts here, anyone trying to put there reasons for against the masons seems to be put down as either stupid or ignorant. Nice try you masons but do you think we would be on this site if we didn't have a little knowledge of these matters.
The masons are in control enough on this planet PLEASE lets not have tem controlling us on here!:thumbdown:

[Alexandra]

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[taadev]

Sorry taadev, I'll be so blunt to say I don't believe a word you say here and I will not discuss anymore with you on this subject.
As far as I can conclude you have never ever seen a Mason closer than a mile.
No need to be 'sorry', but sadly, what you, or anyone else believes, does not change the reality.
There are several lower degree masons I've known for decades; they're honorable men, and likely as a result, have been stuck at the 3rd degree. One would never 'spit on the Bible', very well brainwashed by the media, and his superiors. He's a very loyal person and has admitted, despite the evidence, feeling otherwise would cause too much pain. They've ALL, without exception, been awestruck by the ancient nature and scope of the organization. Lodges in every city, the incredible artifacts etc...

Surely you've read or witnessed some psychology and understand how people tend to believe, if not cling, to that which they want, or *need*, to believe, especially when it conflicts with long held beliefs, the safety of their family or security of their 'castles'. This is why in, any of their worldwide games, they've several 'shoes to fit' the situation; this to allow those to cling onto that which they'd prefer to believe. “Only small secrets need to be kept secret...” (Incredulity is hard to overcome.)

I can't think of a single reason why you should have been threatened by anyone.
What danger could you be to them?
What shelter could you offer to the "victims" you say you have met?
Have you witnessed these rituals?

There have been many comments by those involved as to why I was a 'threat', which are actually unimportant at this point. Most of the Blue Masons on the street have no clue as to the scope of the tool box of their masters and, as I've said, would flip over the leveraging of children. Just like most good corporations, information/tactics are compartmentalized, as most men and women are not sociopaths, without a little trauma/drug 'work' anyway, and would not assist/support hurting of innocents, let alone children.

The rituals of which you speak are the worst level of leveraging of children; others offer theirs in various quid pro quo arrangements and appear to be connected to organized crime. The children sometimes end up in psychologists offices with various symptoms due to having liked the kids against which they were effectively used.

The psychologist that spilled the proverbial beans had no motive to lie and was quite irate to learn my kids were being targeted. We've known and loved each others kids for over two decades and the anger in her voice was quite telling. As to why is still a mystery, but I can say it was due to nothing illegal on my part. However, I do have several of the 'occupational' hazards of others similarly targeted with whom I've corresponded. Activists, whistle-blowers, and one other that was spoken directly to me the “idealist”: “You see too well and people do not like that...”. Ranking professor at UC Berkeley.

[Fredkc]

Peer;
Give it up. Yer dealin' with a pack of folk who just know what they're told.

Just out of curiosity... would everyone besides Peer and myself, who has an immediate family member who is, or was a member of the Masons (Dad went all the way thru it), say so?

http://fredsitelive.com/fun/rofl.gif "Imagine what they'll know tomorrow."

[Frank Samuel]

Generalizing about groups never tells the whole story, imagine aliens looking at earth and seeing how we behave towards one another, war, hunger, crime etc. If they where to generalize them all humans are evil, by the simple logic that we are members of the human race. Even in our own families there's always a few rotten apples, that does not mean that everybody in your family is a rotten apple. Few people can claim to be saints, most of us are just humans trying to make the best of it. Making mistakes, putting our foot in our mouths, blaming others, distrust, envy, dislikes, judmental attitudes for others that do not match our preconceived ideas of "goodness". Humans make mistakes, unfortunately is easier to see that in others than to see it in ourselves.:naughty:

[Peer]

Peer;
Give it up. Yer dealin' with a pack of folk who just know what they're told.

Just out of curiosity... would everyone besides Peer and myself, who has an immediate family member who is, or was a member of the Masons (Dad went all the way thru it), say so?

http://fredsitelive.com/fun/rofl.gif "Imagine what they'll know tomorrow."

Yes Fred, I already did.
There is no arguing with ignorance.
I said what I had to say on the subject and that's it.
And still people wonder why Masons work in secret :lmao:

[taadev]

Unless you have personally been a mason and not just known someone, who is a member, then yes, it is hearsay. There are good and bad elements in all organizations. No one is exempt from that fact. Name me one organization that you feel is a good group and I will point out bad things known about them. Please...........Organizations are just a reflection of the mix of individuals on this planet.

You're correct, of course, on orgs being a reflection of those within. However, when there's a force as ruthless, corruptive, coercive, and as patient as the masons, it's only a matter of time for the org to be infiltrated and begin representing interests far from their original charter. The American “FDA” must be one of the best examples of this corruptive process.

If 'separation of church and state' is good then Separation of Corp and State is Divine.

If first hand testimony from people that were former masons is hearsay to the recipient then why is personal testimony allowed in court? Is this is not first year law material?

This is what youtube is providing with the world as a 'jury'; people are waking up, but one wonders if it may have been too late. (If the Europeans knew how corrupt the judges arethey'd never question the need for juries.)

The acceleration of our economic crash, obviously, as architected as the recent 'bubble in real estate', this via the exporting of jobs and the disemployment of Americans, may have been too swift for the opening eyes to have an effect.

My 'testimony' comes as a reflection from many, countless hours of reading and listening to first hand testimony; rejecting some and accepting others, and last, but not least first hand experience. (Like Alex Jones, seeming a 'Patriot' for example is a liar and likely a shill; <B><I>William Cooper, before his assassination, was the real deal.</I></B>) For the most part, the only people that have fooled me have been susceptible to the terrorist coercion, if not perpetrators, as they're very well trained in these social skills. This evidence was been sifted, collated and was quite supportive as a whole as to the integrity of those previously and currently in control of this organization. <B>Does “Power Corrupt” of does it get corrupted?</B> This research includes ancient/current history, politics, economics, archeology, psychology, first hand experience and also testimony from dear friends without motives to lie. Several so fearful of the Masonic powers they flipped and no longer call. Some write from time to time, to check up on me. Some that have picked up the pieces of the young/innocent tools used by these psycho/sociopaths with way too much money and a light in the ethics department. Also, sure fire methods of obtaining and retaining power using the human condition as their source. (Greed, fear, sex, etc.) These true family and friends had no motive whatsoever to lie and ALL shared one trait: FEAR of these *******s. Knowing full well they can and will affect your health care, attack your children; they've serious 'boundary issues' and leverage victims of the so-called Satanic cults and organized crime, who essentially have been taken into the governmental fold to perform acts that, before the 'patriot act' anyway, were illegal; this is on their light days.

One is only a victim as someone once said with their permission. However, it takes very good mental discipline to become the duck, and an internal mettle. I personally know about this fact; been there, done that, and finally learned to let the harassment 'fall off my back', changed my focus and channeled the feelings into internal strength.


You of course will retort well what about the children? They didn't ask to be victims. None of us ask to be victims. Remember that we are multidimensional beings and we chose our situations before coming to this life. We do this in order to accomplish a certain goal in a given amount of time.
The ascension process, that everyone is so fond of talking about, is merely attained by experiential training. This mostly involves dramatic reality experience in matter. Drama, generally speaking, is not all love and light and flowers. The object is choice and learning to bring opposites to a balance within oneself. Unconditional love of all of creation is the only way to achieve ascension. Unconditional love means "Would you lay your life down for anyone and all creation? Would you sacrifice what you believe is life so that another could live?" This does not mean killing other people and destroying creation either. It also means that despising anyone or anything in creation is counter productive to the final goal.

“ This mostly involves dramatic reality experience in matter.” If you could be so kind as to clarify what this means it would be greatly appreciated.” Are you speaking of experiencing what we know as science appear to be defeated, 'miracles', 'magic', etc.?

The ascension process is not something I've been able to accept as reality; it appears, so far anyway, that 'heaven and hell' might well be right here on this earth. If I were not willing to give my physical life I'd have left after the first threat and certainly after the more recent direct threat/serious attempt on my life. In my culture it's G-d, country and family, but it certainly appears I've something seriously large behind me as I've narrowly sidestepped serious injury, if not death, on more than one occasion. Research, intuition and my experienced of that which is depicted in 'The Secret' has allowed me to see that the first two have been stolen by those at the top of the local power structure. That although you're correct in that it's 'the people' stupid, this is one institution that, by charter, requires corruption in key areas and has a very patient filtering process that perpetuates evil in the areas that wield power. They quite simply leverage what some call 'the human condition' and they do it quite well.

Therefore, organizations, governments, ect. are not responsible for your plight on this plane - you are. They are here as part of choice for all to have selections on how they wish to achieve their goals.


My 'plight' or more importantly the plight of my children was certainly not by my choice as much harm has come to them and that's a choice I could never make. However, this clearly has been going on a very long time as they've layer upon layer of backup plans. Can a single person with limited resources stop what's happening? All I can do is the best work possible, what I cannot do is walk away and allow this to continue unabated without having given it my best, perhaps feeble attempt. However, the masses are indeed well programmed, and knowing that most are against these hate crimes using kids does give me even more strength that that which has been imbued by G-d.

After all that's happened I am starting to think my path may well be by design. Being first literally disabled by two 'good' masons that needed a tape recorder in my pocket and then it turning out to be a blessing in disguise is just one example. This has given me time to do little but study the situations ever since. Youtube too has been a blessing for when my eyes give out; there are indeed many pearls existing there inserted by individuals, professors with heart and others with much better formal education.

You know, Jacqui D you have been so kind as to educate me in how things work in this world. I thank you for that. I always wondered how the German common people accepted the negative propaganda against those who weren't "Pure German", during the second world war.

You and some of the others on this forum have proceeded to spread falacies on the basis of writing and videos of outright hate mongers. I sense a tad of Illuminati operation tactics from these authorities. It is called divide and conquer. If you focus on all the hate mongering targets, then you aren't paying attention to what really matters. I must say, they certainly are successful.
Alexandra

“Illuminati” tactics speaking against the Masons? :mfr_lol: With all due respect, your one of those spreading fallacies, Masonic fantasy actually. This happens to be one of their favorite tactics: accusing others of that which they themselves perform.

As has been the case many times throughout history, the Jewish masses paid the price for the corruption and greed of some of their leaders, who by the way are about as Jewish as my pet rock. As did the German people, and, as may come to pass, the American people. How would Americans react if we learned that a group had 1) started a worldwide boycott against our homeland and 2) were responsible for our defeat in a war that resulted in something so severe as the Treaty of Versailles? (Especially, after giving the same group more freedoms and rights than any other country theretofore. Look what we did to the Japanese people who, for the most part, had done nothing.) 3) Had a media that was under masonic control, who, at that level anyway, have been ruthless murderers since our inception. Recall the 'Savage' Geronimo? The native who became the savage only after having his kids, wife killed and his land stolen. The 'free press', even then, filled the masses with fear, lies and half truths to justify those actions; this to allow the near completion of genocide.

I digress, getting back to the World War: Why did we then turn around and kill the refugees gathering in Dresden by flattening that place via a fire storm of bombs? Also, who benefited from the dual nuclear bombing of Japan proper? <B><I>Cui Bono?</B></I> Quin Se Beneficia? Would not a single nuke off the coast of Japan have sent the same message? Obviously, it would have had the same effect, but without the profit, terror, destruction, and economic profits for those in key positions, debt, lots of 'free money' for the Mason Banksters, and the power/control that results therefrom. Some idiot, sociopath coined a term for it: “Total War”. A clearly Masonic doctrine that said all, including women and children, were valid targets. As if it was new and had not been used against indigenous peoples since time memorial. Cui Bone? Hint: Freemasons who had a hand up in not only the profits of the rebuilding process but more importantly, the 'king making' process in both of these countries. This gave the masons political power over both, for decades after the war had ceased. Those that resist are killed and heretofore they've been unstoppable.

Is “Resistance futile”?

I think not, but we MUST not ever allow our currency to be controlled by an unauditable CORPORATION if we're to have a chance at a truly open and, relatively speaking, government by and for the people.

[taadev]

One very easy way to tell who is here representing the interests of others is the way they will throw 'hand grenades' at an individual, but their post is lacking in specifics.

Almost a sure fire method as these people are lazy and could not give an anchor at which you could take aim.:tongue2:

Final comment: The HUGE majority of "Blue Lodge" Masons, those 3rd degree or less, are good people; in fact you could say they're even the "good guys and gals" that frequently risk their lives against lower level criminals. However, they're kept in the dark as to the secrets, and to the so-called 'real god' wana be Lucifer.

Read Pike's book "Morals and Dogma", or read the summaries as to this fact. What he does it blame all the ills of the upper levels that control the masons because they outwardly wear the cover of Christianity, or Judaism, but are neither; those are the GUYS that do things like orchistrate or build our enemies and they do NOT live in America.

Looks like America is being wrongly painted as the Nazis and will be soon ganged up on due to all the ill deeds their masters in Europe have funded or completed in our country.