Project Camelot Mislead? Comments by DivineCosmos's forummers

[Truthsayer]

Some Humans have finally decided that they are Gods

http://www.divinecosmos.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12152

PC HAS ABSOLUTELY BEEN MISLED -- I'm convinced of this. Think about just one event that Miriam spoke about: her being chased by lights. What has been one of the central messages Ra and other benevolent entities have taught us (?) ... do not impinge upon other peoples' free will.

What kind of entity follows a group of people (instilling fear in them), waits until those people go through a small town as they hope of losing them, chases them again, forcibly puts one of them to sleep and instructs (orders, bullys ?!?!) the other one to get out of the vehicle and follow their instructions?

Do you think Ra would ever do this to anyone?

Would you? Poor Miriam is being toyed with and manipulated--no doubt in my mind about that.

Most people on the ProjectAvalon forum are of the same opinion. I wrote the following message there and have received positive messages in return:

Hey All,

Just finished watching the interview and my thoughts kind of kept going back to ... believe it not ... David Wilcock. I think it was in the Futuretalk video (where DW was wearing that gold sash or whatever) he mentioned that Project Camelot seems to draw a lot of negative energy (through no fault of their own) in the interviews they conduct.

Don't get me wrong--this was an excellent and professionally conducted interview, but I was forced to walk away with that doom and gloom vibration which just doesn't augur too well with me anymore. I absolutely believe people like George Green and Miriam Delicado or Alex Jones believe the things they uncover, but the idea of this "world calamity ... we're all going to be burnt alive in an agonizing Armageddon" just doesn't feel right. (I would HIGHLY RECCOMMEND watching the channeled messages of a British lady named '[pm for name please]' on youtube).

Project Camelot should actually take this as a compliment because it means whatever higher beings are manipulating cosmic consciousness are purposefully targeting Bill and Kerry in order to make their audience (which is growing by leaps and bounds pretty much daily) to: LIVE IN FEAR.

And if I may be so bold as to say: THE ALIENS THEMSELVES MIGHT BE WRONG. So what if some Nordic ET from a far-off place in the Milky Way "sees" world calamity (?) ... ... for all we know ... Sven from Nordic-ville might be wrong himself. The take-home message from Ra and the Collective Entity of 9 Winged Beings which have been channeling through [name], plus the newest Burish testimony all point to the hopless Armageddon scenario timeline hovering near a probability of zero. And I think I orient myself toward these messages.

[Truthsayer]

I read a bit in their new forums and I really had a hard time finding people in there, that are spiritual at all. All I read was about Doom and Preparations, I especially read in a german thread, because I`m german and was interested what other people from germany have to say. All i found was questions on how to prepare physically, which parts of germany will have the most destruction or will be under water. People thinking about moving to safer places, planning on how to recreate civilisation after the catastrophes.
One person knew the Law of One and believed in it he said, but in the same sentence he asked where he could buy survival food and equipment.

I didnt see anyone talking about the fact that you have to be spiritually prepared or actually believing in a spiritual event in 2012.

I also have to agree on Project Camelot being more and more distorted with untruths. At the beginning i listened to every talk until Dan Burish or so and it was quiet interesting, but also confusing. And for some reason like 6 months ago or so, I stopped listening to their stuff and now I`m realizing why I did so.

If I have to lay in bed after listening to one of their interviews, because I`m so confused and my thoughts are running around like crazy and I feel really sick in my stomach , it can`t be a good sign, in opposition to a interview of David Wilcock that makes me totally happy and gives me the security that all is the way it should be.

I really dont know how I could keep a clear mind about all these things going on in the world and the disinformation being spread on the net, without David Wilcock and the Law of One material.

Love & Light, Frederik.

[Orion11]

lol, there is allot od doom and gloom folks around....

but i dont know if you all have noticed.....

That seems to be turning around,
slowly but surely,

There is an influx of newness and goodness here lately,
it seems to be "weeding itself out" , from all the doom and gloom hype...

The people who have participating lately, are some of the best Ive seen anywhere on the net. Sure theres still a few who want to scare the heck out of ppl, but most of us are seeing thru them pretty easily.

dragonbreath~ what are you talking about? dont buy into the doom you are banned? I havent seen much more positivity come from you since first posting.

You know where the door is. You did walk in it freely, and are free to go back the same way you came in if it is that unpleasant for you.
Why stick around if your just going to stir fecies?

like i said... this place will weed itself out in due time. Its already in the process.

I dont buy into any of the doom or gloom, nor do MANY of us..
yet,. we are still here.
and chances are wont be going anywhere. :)
Peace

p.s... heres a breathmint. :wink2:

[TruthWillSetUFree]

Some Humans have finally decided that they are Gods

http://www.divinecosmos.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12152

PC HAS ABSOLUTELY BEEN MISLED -- I'm convinced of this. Think about just one event that Miriam spoke about: her being chased by lights. What has been one of the central messages Ra and other benevolent entities have taught us (?) ... do not impinge upon other peoples' free will.

What kind of entity follows a group of people (instilling fear in them), waits until those people go through a small town as they hope of losing them, chases them again, forcibly puts one of them to sleep and instructs (orders, bullys ?!?!) the other one to get out of the vehicle and follow their instructions?

Do you think Ra would ever do this to anyone?

Would you? Poor Miriam is being toyed with and manipulated--no doubt in my mind about that.

Most people on the ProjectAvalon forum are of the same opinion. I wrote the following message there and have received positive messages in return:

Hey All,

Just finished watching the interview and my thoughts kind of kept going back to ... believe it not ... David Wilcock. I think it was in the Futuretalk video (where DW was wearing that gold sash or whatever) he mentioned that Project Camelot seems to draw a lot of negative energy (through no fault of their own) in the interviews they conduct.

Don't get me wrong--this was an excellent and professionally conducted interview, but I was forced to walk away with that doom and gloom vibration which just doesn't augur too well with me anymore. I absolutely believe people like George Green and Miriam Delicado or Alex Jones believe the things they uncover, but the idea of this "world calamity ... we're all going to be burnt alive in an agonizing Armageddon" just doesn't feel right. (I would HIGHLY RECCOMMEND watching the channeled messages of a British lady named '[pm for name please]' on youtube).

Project Camelot should actually take this as a compliment because it means whatever higher beings are manipulating cosmic consciousness are purposefully targeting Bill and Kerry in order to make their audience (which is growing by leaps and bounds pretty much daily) to: LIVE IN FEAR.

And if I may be so bold as to say: THE ALIENS THEMSELVES MIGHT BE WRONG. So what if some Nordic ET from a far-off place in the Milky Way "sees" world calamity (?) ... ... for all we know ... Sven from Nordic-ville might be wrong himself. The take-home message from Ra and the Collective Entity of 9 Winged Beings which have been channeling through [name], plus the newest Burish testimony all point to the hopless Armageddon scenario timeline hovering near a probability of zero. And I think I orient myself toward these messages.

Exellent post Frederik

Yes, we should ALWAYS compare and contrast what we hear to the universal truths/laws that we know are irrefutable.

I am not saying anything about Miriam personally, but her story did not resonate with me to the extent that B & K thought it should, as being one of their best.

Stories that only seem to resonate to those that see beings, or hear entities that no one else can, leave me skeptical.

Why? Because I know that people who receive higher gifts of sight are those that do not proselytize publically. You can usually find these beings in caves or in the mountains available to those who seek them out.

What I do know is there are a lot of people out there looking for attention, 15 minutes of fame, and/or notoriety.

Humans do not have the capacity to decipher truth from falsehood, especially those who trust easily and blindly.

So we need to use universal Truth to see how their story stands either with it or against it.

We can also tell by "their fruits you shall know them".

I don't know Miriams 'story' but the fact that her dad said not to talk to these 'people' then she was approached by them and the space ship people makes me wonder if her mind was manipulated in any way.

Again, this is not Truth only my own take of the story.

I will email you for the youtube video name

Love and Light

[GoingToFast]

People relax, this forum is just a few months old give it some time let it mature this forum is going to be the best of its kind, you just wait and see.

[Humble Janitor]

I don't believe in the doom and gloom but I do read some of it anyway because it gives me a perspective on what people are thinking and saying.

I believe more in a spiritual ascension than armageddon.

[Average Joe]

I'm concerned that there are people on that forum looking at David Wilcock as THE answer, over everybody else. Put him on a pedestal and make him a God?

Unless I'm mislead the law of one states that those that give 51% of their service to others will ascend, however what about the hundreds of millions of babies and toddlers at any given time, what happens to them? I believe I asked that question before.

I have no opinion of Wilcock positive or negative over any other whistleblower or oracle of truth, and personally I think that you need to take into account what EVERYBODY is saying (before dismissing most of it as ramblings and cr@p :naughty:), rather than blindly following one...

To me, its just that his followers follow him because they like the sound of what he is saying over other people....its faith. But is it the truth?

[smat]

Some of the doom and gloom is just the awakening process kicking in.
It is a shock to the system when you first wake up to what is going on in the real world. I am sorry if I have brought any doom and gloom to this forum in any of my posts. In my opinion there is a good balance of posts in here, some positive, some negative. It is good to keep an open mind and not to believe either, just look at the evidence and work it out for yourself.

Bad things are going on it the world. In knowing about them we can all make a concentrated effort trying to put things right. Listening to the 'Handbook for the New Paradigm' has put things into perspective for me. I have no idea what the future will bring but I will keep positive and not be afraid.

[burgundia]

I don't believe in the doom and gloom but I do read some of it anyway because it gives me a perspective on what people are thinking and saying.

I believe more in a spiritual ascension than armageddon.

So do I.

[KassandraLoves]

I'm concerned that there are people on that forum looking at David Wilcock as THE answer, over everybody else. Put him on a pedestal and make him a God?

Unless I'm mislead the law of one states that those that give 51% of their service to others will ascend, however what about the hundreds of millions of babies and toddlers at any given time, what happens to them? I believe I asked that question before.

I have no opinion of Wilcock positive or negative over any other whistleblower or oracle of truth, and personally I think that you need to take into account what EVERYBODY is saying (before dismissing most of it as ramblings and cr@p :naughty:), rather than blindly following one...

To me, its just that his followers follow him because they like the sound of what he is saying over other people....its faith. But is it the truth?

I think what you guys are all saying definitely has creditibility. I am a VERY AVID divine cosmos forum-er and I must say that i REALLY love that forum so I am going to just throw my input in here as well, if thats cool.

This was a thread that is being examined, though, in only snippets and not the entire thing (the thread itself is more than 3-4 pages long!). There are BOTH sides there, those that diasgree with the whole "mislead" thing and those that agree. Many threads on even THIS forum are of like nature, correct? People examining ideals and topics together? Some seem to be dismissing and some seem to be neutral and some are all about it. But, thats the point, right? We didnt all sit down and agree that this place "sucks." Besides, a lot of the stuff we talk about there is very congruent with whats going on here, but theres more of a "spiritual twist" to it as opposed to people who are respectively all over the board, and thats not a bad thing at all. Im NOT insinuating that there are NO spiritual folks here, because I have seen some GEMS here! :) I am saying, however, that there is SEEMINGLY a higher concentration of very publicly spiritual people on the DC forum compared to here. (I know, I know, thats just my opinion. So dont take it to heart and get mad at me Please.) I like it here, its just a more "YIN/YANG" environment for sure and again thats certainly not a bad thing, its just a small difference. In fact, probably half the users on DC are also users here!

ALSO, I'd like to clarify that just as everyone here, including myself, respects Bill and Kerry (and all the other wonderful folks that help keep this ball rolling), we on DC respect David Wilcock. I havent seen ONE person on that forum "diefy" him or make him out to be "messianic." We just are very drawn to him and his great writings and comparisons of the presented information. Most of the stuff, if anything, that a lot of us there are "hardcore" about would be the writings from L/L research (Ra material, etc.) In fact mostly what David is doing, is just mooshing together the "teachings/writings/etc." of others with his own nice commentary and additions along the way.

The core of that forum is no different than this one. To be with people of some like-mind for guidance, support, information sharing, and to march on toward the same goal. Please do not mistake our love for David Wilcock as "blind faith." We do not feel that way, plain and true. :) Hes just a cool cat and his forum is a great place to chat with those that are familiar with the subject matter. And Im sure thats why YOU are HERE, too. Bill and Kerry? They rock. Does everyone in the whole world think that? Probably Not. But most of us on this forum DO. And thats the reason we are here. And thats the reason people are on the DC forum as well. David Wilcocks not for everybody, but some think he's pretty smart and has great messages.

No one knows what "the truth" is, but we sure can follow our hearts and minds. And if David Wilcock has a good message, then why not add him into the "bank" of people you respect a lot?

The DC forum is great! I recommend it to anyone looking to smile or to talk spirituality and sciences. Its not as heavily trafficked as this forum, but there are just some really great people there. It has helped me a ton to be there and hasnt once stressed me out or made me think "i need a break from this place." Its got a good vibe and we discuss things as nicely as possible. Thats all Im sayin about that, then. :original: (Im not comparing the 2 with the last few statements, just describing DC)

Thanks for letting me throw in my 3 cents. LOVE AND LIGHT!!!

[Karen]

Listening to the 'Handbook for the New Paradigm' has put things into perspective for me. I have no idea what the future will bring but I will keep positive and not be afraid.

Hi, I tried to find the "listen" mode for the Handbook, but failed. Do you have to pay? If so what is the price? Can you post a direct link? Free would be optimal for my situation at this time as I had to give up my writing job. I literally feel "fried" by spending too much time using the mouse and keyboard, so I also had to give up the search for the Handbook audio. :tears: I used to be able to search out anything on my own until I found it, and now I have to ask for help.

Thanks much! :wub2:

[KassandraLoves]

"One person knew the Law of One and believed in it he said, but in the same sentence he asked where he could buy survival food and equipment."


"I didnt see anyone talking about the fact that you have to be spiritually prepared or actually believing in a spiritual event in 2012."


"I really dont know how I could keep a clear mind about all these things going on in the world and the disinformation being spread on the net, without David Wilcock and the Law of One material"

Love & Light, Frederik.

I dont know when the last time you looked at the divine cosmos forum was, but right now, it has an entire forum section filled with threads devoted to the law of one. Also theres another whole section dedicated to and chocked full of posts about 2012.

hmmm....its odd that you didnt find either of these sections.

Also, I must say that I FULLY agree with that last statement I included in the quote above.

LOVE!!!

[Average Joe]

So what happens to all of the hundreds of millions of babies and toddlers then?

Perhaps as you know the law of one you can answer that for me?

Its just I heard that you had to give 51% service to others, babies and toddlers can't do that. Neither can under 5's either, because they aren't old enough to reason properly.

[NewParadigmGuy]

Hi, I tried to find the "listen" mode for the Handbook, but failed. Do you have to pay? If so what is the price? Can you post a direct link? Free would be optimal for my situation at this time as I had to give up my writing job. I literally feel "fried" by spending too much time using the mouse and keyboard, so I also had to give up the search for the Handbook audio. :tears: I used to be able to search out anything on my own until I found it, and now I have to ask for help.

Thanks much! :wub2:

At least the first book (in MP3 format) can be obtained here:

http://www.nomorehoaxes.com/component/option,com_docman/task,cat_view/gid,69/Itemid,61/

[Gnosis5]

Some Humans have finally decided that they are Gods

http://www.divinecosmos.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12152

PC HAS ABSOLUTELY BEEN MISLED -- I'm convinced of this. Think about just one event that Miriam spoke about: her being chased by lights. What has been one of the central messages Ra and other benevolent entities have taught us (?) ... do not impinge upon other peoples' free will.

What kind of entity follows a group of people (instilling fear in them), waits until those people go through a small town as they hope of losing them, chases them again, forcibly puts one of them to sleep and instructs (orders, bullys ?!?!) the other one to get out of the vehicle and follow their instructions?

Do you think Ra would ever do this to anyone?

Would you? Poor Miriam is being toyed with and manipulated--no doubt in my mind about that.

Most people on the ProjectAvalon forum are of the same opinion. I wrote the following message there and have received positive messages in return:

Hey All,

Just finished watching the interview and my thoughts kind of kept going back to ... believe it not ... David Wilcock. I think it was in the Futuretalk video (where DW was wearing that gold sash or whatever) he mentioned that Project Camelot seems to draw a lot of negative energy (through no fault of their own) in the interviews they conduct.

Don't get me wrong--this was an excellent and professionally conducted interview, but I was forced to walk away with that doom and gloom vibration which just doesn't augur too well with me anymore. I absolutely believe people like George Green and Miriam Delicado or Alex Jones believe the things they uncover, but the idea of this "world calamity ... we're all going to be burnt alive in an agonizing Armageddon" just doesn't feel right. (I would HIGHLY RECCOMMEND watching the channeled messages of a British lady named '[pm for name please]' on youtube).

Project Camelot should actually take this as a compliment because it means whatever higher beings are manipulating cosmic consciousness are purposefully targeting Bill and Kerry in order to make their audience (which is growing by leaps and bounds pretty much daily) to: LIVE IN FEAR.

And if I may be so bold as to say: THE ALIENS THEMSELVES MIGHT BE WRONG. So what if some Nordic ET from a far-off place in the Milky Way "sees" world calamity (?) ... ... for all we know ... Sven from Nordic-ville might be wrong himself. The take-home message from Ra and the Collective Entity of 9 Winged Beings which have been channeling through [name], plus the newest Burish testimony all point to the hopless Armageddon scenario timeline hovering near a probability of zero. And I think I orient myself toward these messages.

I agree. The one thing that never gets discussed is the fact that there are strong spiritual beings who are working everyday to overwhelm the negative with the positive.

[Gnosis5]

So what happens to all of the hundreds of millions of babies and toddlers then?

Perhaps as you know the law of one you can answer that for me?

Its just I heard that you had to give 51% service to others, babies and toddlers can't do that. Neither can under 5's either, because they aren't old enough to reason properly.

Babies and toddlers also have their own karma, and it kicks in when it kicks in. I hope that the parents learn to spot their babie's issues that they bring in from past lives.

[Christo888]

How do I measure 51%?

[munkey]

what we have here are 2 types.
1. the doom and gloom.
2. possitive energy people.

Doom and gloom are here trying to tell of the hell we have ahead of us and how many of us are going to be killed off, either by war or vaccines.

Possitive energy people are here calling for all the possitive energy that will save us from ourselves, all of us thinking happy thoughts will make all the evil and negative things go away.

Both of these thought patterns have faults.
Doom and gloom cannot exsist without hope and brightness, and possitive energy cannot exsist withouit negative energy, there is a balance all throughout nature, always has been and always will be.

Now if the doomers only talk to doomers and the possitives only talk to possitives, we will soon come crashing down like a house of cards in a strong wind. Each group needs each other to offer balance.

There is an old saying that says "you are never more alive than when you are closest to death"

As much as I like the new age thinking and how we can save ourselves, we will not be saved until we are on the knife edge of total destruction, only that will teach us a new way to live, if we don't go through hell first. we will have no idea what we have to protect ourselves from in the future.
If you almost drown you have 2 choices, learn to swim or avoid going in the water, as much as you want to stay away from the water, there is always the possibility of falling in again, do you want to be prepared or risk drowning the second time?

as for being saved by Aliens, please do not rely on external forces to save you.
I would like to think that any alien out there will allow me to make my own mistakes so I can learn.
even when you put a sign saying "wet paint" you know that someone is going to touch it, and how many times you tell your kids that if they play with matches that they will get burnt, they will always do it, and always get burnt, you just hope its a small burn and they learn from it.
That does not mean I give my kids matches, but you know that one day they will find some.

[msv]

How do I measure 51%?

It's not necessary to measure. If you don't know if you are sts or sto then you might not have chosen one or the other yet. I feel that if you have made the choice then you know. The reason that sto needs to be more balanced is that if you are almost 100% sto you wouldn't last on the physical plane very long, or have a difficult life...more energy out than in. One needs to take care of oneself in a way that you can actually help others. I know from experience that it isn't a good thing to dedicate all your energy to helping others. I have seen where my constant concern for others has actually contributed to others sts and selfishness and not gotten them onto the path of sto as I hoped. The Bodhisattva vow from other lives can be problematic and create a sto to the extreme. Not sure I am ever going to be able to balance it out.

[Christo888]

It's not necessary to measure. If you don't know if you are sts or sto then you might not have chosen one or the other yet. I feel that if you have made the choice then you know. The reason that sto needs to be more balanced is that if you are almost 100% sto you wouldn't last on the physical plane very long, or have a difficult life...more energy out than in. One needs to take care of oneself in a way that you can actually help others. I know from experience that it isn't a good thing to dedicate all your energy to helping others. I have seen where my constant concern for others has actually contributed to others sts and selfishness and not gotten them onto the path of sto as I hoped. The Bodhisattva vow from other lives can be problematic and create a sto to the extreme. Not sure I am ever going to be able to balance it out.


Thank you for that insight very much... you have cleared up a milestone regarding yet another technique of either or. I just love rules and paths.

[broken arrow]

.

[THE eXchanger]

i think we have 3 types of people...
and, they reside inside of us:
and, inside of everyone else:

1) do
2) NOT do
3) observe

and, all three, are equally valid choices to make

however, the set of consquences for each
is what alters the equations of
where you are, at any particular moment of now

love/susan
the eXchanger

[broken arrow]

.

[SuperManny]

Hi, I tried to find the "listen" mode for the Handbook, but failed. Do you have to pay? If so what is the price? Can you post a direct link?

Hi Karen
I don't know if you still need this, but I put it on RapidShare for you.:original:

Click HERE. (http://rapidshare.com/files/164523804/Handbook_For_The_New_Paradigm_Audio.zip.html)

[Gnosis5]

what we have here are 2 types.
1. the doom and gloom.
2. possitive energy people.

Doom and gloom are here trying to tell of the hell we have ahead of us and how many of us are going to be killed off, either by war or vaccines.

Possitive energy people are here calling for all the possitive energy that will save us from ourselves, all of us thinking happy thoughts will make all the evil and negative things go away.

Both of these thought patterns have faults.
Doom and gloom cannot exsist without hope and brightness, and possitive energy cannot exsist withouit negative energy, there is a balance all throughout nature, always has been and always will be.

Now if the doomers only talk to doomers and the possitives only talk to possitives, we will soon come crashing down like a house of cards in a strong wind. Each group needs each other to offer balance.

There is an old saying that says "you are never more alive than when you are closest to death"

As much as I like the new age thinking and how we can save ourselves, we will not be saved until we are on the knife edge of total destruction, only that will teach us a new way to live, if we don't go through hell first. we will have no idea what we have to protect ourselves from in the future.
If you almost drown you have 2 choices, learn to swim or avoid going in the water, as much as you want to stay away from the water, there is always the possibility of falling in again, do you want to be prepared or risk drowning the second time?

as for being saved by Aliens, please do not rely on external forces to save you.
I would like to think that any alien out there will allow me to make my own mistakes so I can learn.
even when you put a sign saying "wet paint" you know that someone is going to touch it, and how many times you tell your kids that if they play with matches that they will get burnt, they will always do it, and always get burnt, you just hope its a small burn and they learn from it.
That does not mean I give my kids matches, but you know that one day they will find some.


Negative energy ("doom and gloom") people always bring down a crowd or an individual.

For the most part positive energy people can best succeed with and among themselves. Only when the negative energy people come to the positive energy people for healing and are willing to exchange can both benefit. Otherwise it's like letting a camel in your tent.

Now, if you are talking about polarities of positive and negative, yes I agree with you but it sounds like you are talking about one group that is fixed on negative and another group that is fixed on positive. However, I am talking about positive energy people who are not fixed.

Positive energy people generally have more range of expression than negative energy people and, believe it or not, weather emergencies and "disasters" better than the more karmically challenged people. At least, if they do suffer, even to death, they have a much more lighthearted attitude about it, a spirit of elan. I'm not there yet, but I'm working on it :original:

cheers!
gnosis

[Gnosis5]

Some Humans have finally decided that they are Gods

http://www.divinecosmos.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12152

PC HAS ABSOLUTELY BEEN MISLED -- I'm convinced of this. Think about just one event that Miriam spoke about: her being chased by lights. What has been one of the central messages Ra and other benevolent entities have taught us (?) ... do not impinge upon other peoples' free will.

What kind of entity follows a group of people (instilling fear in them), waits until those people go through a small town as they hope of losing them, chases them again, forcibly puts one of them to sleep and instructs (orders, bullys ?!?!) the other one to get out of the vehicle and follow their instructions?

Do you think Ra would ever do this to anyone?

Would you? Poor Miriam is being toyed with and manipulated--no doubt in my mind about that.

Most people on the ProjectAvalon forum are of the same opinion. I wrote the following message there and have received positive messages in return:

Hey All,

Just finished watching the interview and my thoughts kind of kept going back to ... believe it not ... David Wilcock. I think it was in the Futuretalk video (where DW was wearing that gold sash or whatever) he mentioned that Project Camelot seems to draw a lot of negative energy (through no fault of their own) in the interviews they conduct.

Don't get me wrong--this was an excellent and professionally conducted interview, but I was forced to walk away with that doom and gloom vibration which just doesn't augur too well with me anymore. I absolutely believe people like George Green and Miriam Delicado or Alex Jones believe the things they uncover, but the idea of this "world calamity ... we're all going to be burnt alive in an agonizing Armageddon" just doesn't feel right. (I would HIGHLY RECCOMMEND watching the channeled messages of a British lady named '[pm for name please]' on youtube).

Project Camelot should actually take this as a compliment because it means whatever higher beings are manipulating cosmic consciousness are purposefully targeting Bill and Kerry in order to make their audience (which is growing by leaps and bounds pretty much daily) to: LIVE IN FEAR.

And if I may be so bold as to say: THE ALIENS THEMSELVES MIGHT BE WRONG. So what if some Nordic ET from a far-off place in the Milky Way "sees" world calamity (?) ... ... for all we know ... Sven from Nordic-ville might be wrong himself. The take-home message from Ra and the Collective Entity of 9 Winged Beings which have been channeling through [name], plus the newest Burish testimony all point to the hopless Armageddon scenario timeline hovering near a probability of zero. And I think I orient myself toward these messages.

Yes, it seems that everyone in the universe has their own fish to fry. When Boylan told me that they put something up his nose and he was not the same from then on, I broke off communication, no matter how wonderful his message is.

What my past life sessions are showing me is that for eons and eons we have been inducted into one group after another, "volunteered" for one mission after another. Our allegiances are scattered all over the universe. One lifetime a grey, another lifetime a Nordic or whatever. IMHO this only added to our baggage because they all had their favorite indoctrination methods, many of which trouble us today and we don't know why we do the things we do. And, after my last session, going back over a quadrillion years, before there were any governments or races of beings, I realize that it all started rather inocuously and I don't think we realized that our actions would snowball as they have.

Of more serious concern to me is not the state of earth, but the state of myself, my oneness. I feel fixedly divided among my higherselves and my lowerselves, and I seek the original freedom to be nothing with potential for everything. Somewhere back before time I bought into something, and later decided with my then godlike abilities that I was going to "NOT KNOW". I'm taking the journey back to before that "not know" decision. I'll keep you posted :lol3:

cheers!
gnosis

[Nebula]

Boy do we have a long way to go as humans! This thread is a good example. No wonder we have been quarantined on this planet, until we can evolve and learn to control our thoughts and emotions, on to fully realizing our potential.

[isotelesis]

Has the internet made it easier or harder to know what the real world is? This powerful medium is essential for human evolution, however it requires the ability to discern information, somehow this must become a collaborative effort. Developing new paradigms requires an understanding of a broad spectrum of ideas. The key is to be skeptical of everything, while keeping an open mind, think about what matters.

[munkey]

Negative energy ("doom and gloom") people always bring down a crowd or an individual.

For the most part positive energy people can best succeed with and among themselves. Only when the negative energy people come to the positive energy people for healing and are willing to exchange can both benefit. Otherwise it's like letting a camel in your tent.

Now, if you are talking about polarities of positive and negative, yes I agree with you but it sounds like you are talking about one group that is fixed on negative and another group that is fixed on positive. However, I am talking about positive energy people who are not fixed.

Positive energy people generally have more range of expression than negative energy people and, believe it or not, weather emergencies and "disasters" better than the more karmically challenged people. At least, if they do suffer, even to death, they have a much more lighthearted attitude about it, a spirit of elan. I'm not there yet, but I'm working on it :original:

cheers!
gnosis

I was just keeping it simple, I am one of the doom and gloomers who see the possitive aspect of the new world emerging from the old (and I do not mean NWO)
I unfortunately can be a walking contradiction and see the glass both half full and half empty. all depending on who I am talking to.
I am the type of person who jumps in and takes the opposing view so as I can get both sides of the argument.

I usually did well during debates because I would argue against what I believed in :wink2:

[pineal-pilot-in merkabah]

How do I measure 51%?
:nono: i was thinking the same thing.. i hope i make the 1% over just incase.. i get my count wrong:mfr_lol:

on a side note im not sure what doom and gloom is.. i think its a lack of understanding and/or how they process the information presented.

[Average Joe]

Babies and toddlers also have their own karma, and it kicks in when it kicks in. I hope that the parents learn to spot their babie's issues that they bring in from past lives.

Wow thats handy.

Thanks for your answer.

Luckily for them then, they will be exempt from the 51% service to others because obviously they are physically incapable.

It fits like a glove! All explained!

You know what, I think people are just making it up as they go along.

[Average Joe]

:nono: i was thinking the same thing.. i hope i make the 1% over just incase.. i get my count wrong:mfr_lol:

on a side note im not sure what doom and gloom is.. i think its a lack of understanding and/or how they process the information presented.

I wouldn't worry about it, because it is all ****.

Just live your life the right way, nobody can ask for more than that.

[goody8504]

So what happens to all of the hundreds of millions of babies and toddlers then?

Perhaps as you know the law of one you can answer that for me?

Its just I heard that you had to give 51% service to others, babies and toddlers can't do that. Neither can under 5's either, because they aren't old enough to reason properly.

I think you underestimate children (not babies but 3 or 4 year olds). What is 'reasoning properly?' I know plenty of people my own age who can't reason properly in the sense that they can construct a logical argument. That doesn't mean that can't decide between service to self or service to others. I like to think a 4 year old can decide if he wants to love people or manipulate them.

[Average Joe]

Babies, toddlers and 4 year olds love by default.

However, the law of one is about service to others, not just love.

I'm pretty sure a 4 week old baby can't do the shopping for a granny down the street.

But luckily.....as it happens.....funnily enough.....there is a loophole! Phew!

The answers are all there and fit neatly together. Because its made up!

I still think people can't go wrong by just being themselves, a good themselves, instead of looking for laws and paths to follow.

[DaveR]

If someone runs in yells that a tornado is bearing down on you, do you consider that to be "doom and gloom"? I don't.

Is there something wrong with storing a couple months of food and some water? I think not.

One of my least favorite sayings is: "Its got to get worse before it gets better". For the love of God man, just how bad does it have to get? It's bad enough now - let's make it better!

How about YOU go hide in a hole. I'll stay out and dodge the lightening. I may die, but then I'll go do something else. You will still be sitting in a hole.

At 2 cents each, that'll be 8 cents please!

dr

[Average Joe]

If someone runs in yells that a tornado is bearing down on you, do you consider that to be "doom and gloom"? I don't.

Is there something wrong with storing a couple months of food and some water? I think not.

One of my least favorite sayings is: "Its got to get worse before it gets better". For the love of God man, just how bad does it have to get? It's bad enough now - let's make it better!

How about YOU go hide in a hole. I'll stay out and dodge the lightening. I may die, but then I'll go do something else. You will still be sitting in a hole.

At 2 cents each, that'll be 8 cents please!

dr

What on earth has that got to do with what I just said?

Other than that, I completely agree.

[DaveR]

AverageJoe!

Not meant for you, specifically. Just generally for the topic at hand.

If I'd meant it as a response to your remarks I would quote you, but that's just me... .

dr

[spiritual_wanderer]

How do I measure 51%?

I would say don't try to think about it too much. Just try to be a good person and you'll be fine.

[777 The Great Work]

We have a hard time letting go of our suffering. Out of a fear of the unknown, we prefer suffering that is familiar.:naughty: There is no doom and gloom, only Change.

[Made_in_Brazil]

Hey, DaveR, let's not forget that the wonderful Bard also stated once that it was time to wish 'Good Riddance' to *THEM* (TPTB) when things got out of control. That's *their* freight train derailing and wrecking as we move through the shockwaves of time of their spectacular crash against The Other. I have total faith in that statement. Good Riddance, Illuminati! End of History! :lol3:
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As for the post posted from another forum, nothing new in the front, in terms of judgement. I don't have much interest on Miriam's contact, but it's more because of the content of her interview which doesn't serve me much, rather than with the contact protocol used by her Tall-Blondes. C'mon, folks. So many different races and species out there and we expect them all to have the same contact protocol? I've heard from credible contactées, the funniest and most bizarre ways of approaches. It doesn't make of them 'inferior' to others that may approach us, let's say, in a more delicate and sensible way.

Contact with an *alien mind* is far more complex than receiving flowers and a date card for later in the middle of the night. :lol3:

Some of those races seem not to operate in the same conscious level we live in our ordinary awakened state lifes. They seem to be interacting with people's subconscious minds instead and reading their approach protocol out of our imagetic & repressed stuff stored in there.

We're an abusive species, some of these ets seem to understand this as a legit way to engage contact. Other people, very clearly, have deeply ingrained fantasies about being kidnapped (especially, if they had a hard childhood and can't dissociate love from pain) and the most their conscious minds reject and fear the idea, part of their compartimetalized minds - in need of healing - revels in the feeling of being harassed and kidnapped in the middle of the night.

I've seen contactées whose martyr role in life can't take anything but being 'taken'' as means of their worth. That's how 'especial' they are, how they need to feel that they are, to the point where aliens follow them through the traffic and harass everyone else, just for the sake of contacting *him/her*. And many et races do it, exactly how we need it as they're not 'gods', they're a social mind, an alien mind of all things, also learning from us, the same way we're learning from them.

The least thing we need now is the "My Et is better than yours"... attitude :tongue2: We and they - each and everyone -are all essencial pieces of a big and wonderful complex puzzle.

Just my take.
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[dayzero]

There's a good message here to do with Fear and Darkness;

http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=7738

And we are, literally, making it up as we go along.

In fact, Joe, you made up this whole forum just to annoy yourself!
How cool is that!!