Clearing up avalon

[Carol]

Over 400 thread were moved out of the review area to Off Topic today. So check there if you are looking for something or please use the search function. There were a few threads that I didn't have time to review yet but they should be in Off Topic in the next day or two.

In addition.. it's time to clean up the General Avalon Forum only this time everything will go to Off Topic where we will sort the threads from there so folks will have access to them during the sorting out process.

If your thread is Avalon related it stays in the Avalon General Forum. Any thread that is not in alignment with the guidelines on the Avelon Forum is being moved to the Project Camelot OFF TOPIC Forum.

Avalon General Discussion topics are to be on the following: Finding safe places, information and resources for building communities, site suggestions.

One is a guest here and this is not about having the right to trash THE FORUM OWNERS, THE MODS, THE FORUM OR ANY MEMBER OF THE FORUM. If you are unhappy here there are plenty of other forums to go to. Those who spend their time and energy arguing or complaining are just as much a part of the problem then those who are just out to create mischief - consider your selves SELF-SUSPENDED. READ THE GUIDELINES BELOW!

Due to this forum is slowly running off course by various factors - and needs to be steered back on track, we have been given permission to sort out the disruptive contributors.

Once these threads have been moved to the Review Area, we will go through them and look for any member who has a pattern of disparaging or negative posts. These members will be either given infractions or suspended depending upon the content and volume of such posts.



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[Dean Plejaren]

Sounds like the war on terror. Only the forum version.

[TranceAm]

Go for it Carol, Show us the good intentions. The world needs an example of how it all can work out, if everyone is of good intentions.

By now, everyone should have lost their fear...

If this spreads/ goes Virtal, we might not even have to build new communities.

?me is sitting back, and watches how this develops.

BTW, I got 4 infractions? Isn't 3 an automatic Ban? Has a Discision been made to withdraw them?

I hope this all works out for the best, and we can start making history.. t'is about Time that we go global.. Real and Virtual..

[Average Joe]

Who decides what is a disparaging or negative post? Negative as compared to what?

I disagree with a fair few of the views on various threads, does that make me negative?

[TranceAm]

Please people,

Give the Mods, Admins and Owners a chance to show their good intentions...

Wait... Give it a couple of days.
No need to give them hell, for trying to sort this out for once and for all, so we can start..

Again, Please...
Officially I am allready banned, I am still posting.. (HINT!)

[Carol]

I will start sorting through the threads now. Please remember ANY THREAD that is not
on the following topics is being moved to the review area: Finding safe places, information and resources for building communities, site suggestions.

I fully expect this forum to look pretty bare in short order.

[TruthWillSetUFree]

Thank you for posting the guidelines. I for one see I have not followed forum guidelines completely, and for this I am sorry.

From now on I will abide by them as I do love being on avalon

In Love and Light

[Deoxyan]

wow at the bans, scary

[Carol]

The first 44 threads have been moved. There are over 9 pages of threads to go through as the entire Avalon General Forum is being sorted out.

Please remember all of the missing threads are in the review section. Some of the threads are just fine as they stand but in the wrong sub-forum. It will take us a few days to sort this all out so please be patient.

Mahalo Nui Loa,

Carol

[Karen]

The only people I see being banned are those who communicate in an abusive, disresptful style. There may be things I have not seen. Often someone takes offense by misinterpretating the other's intent.

I don't see people being banned for disagreeing, but for the abusive manner in which they go about it. These are often (not always) the people that get banned from one discussion list or forum after another, and they never get it that it's not the ideas they present, but the personal attacks and choice of words, like "You are blind if you think that." You are ... is the hallmark of the personal attack. Try using I feel, or I think ...

Thank you to the mods for cleaning up the forum.

Having been a moderator in a large discussion group, I'm well aware of the far-out plots that some people ascribe to the moderators who volunteer their time to keep the list/forum from descending into a flaming war of words.

The key is respect. And do not slam the volunteer mods for doing their job.

I hope this helps explain it's not the ideas that get you banned, but the attitude.

[arcora]

Wow - You really know how to wield that broom, eh Carol?

All these conspiracy buffs can't see beyond their noses!

Great job.

[Carol]

30 more threads just moved to the Review Area.

[Deoxyan]

The only people I see being banned are those who communicate in an abusive, disresptful style. There may be things I have not seen. Often someone takes offense by misinterpretating the other's intent.

I don't see people being banned for disagreeing, but for the abusive manner in which they go about it. These are often (not always) the people that get banned from one discussion list or forum after another, and they never get it that it's not the ideas they present, but the personal attacks and choice of words, like "You are blind if you think that." You are ... is the hallmark of the personal attack. Try using I feel, or I think ...

Thank you to the mods for cleaning up the forum.

Having been a moderator in a large discussion group, I'm well aware of the far-out plots that some people ascribe to the moderators who volunteer their time to keep the list/forum from descending into a flaming war of words.

The key is respect. And do not slam the volunteer mods for doing their job.

I hope this helps explain it's not the ideas that get you banned, but the attitude.

i know already that, what i see is too much bans. makes one wonder. but ok. I know what this site is about.

[Kulapops]

I hope this helps explain it's not the ideas that get you banned, but the attitude.

Nicely put Heart and I'd agree that some firm application of rules at this point is no bad thing. The forum should be a place where something that is ultimately positive can grow (in my view). Even if some of the subject matter that is discussed is by its own nature negative in outlook.

I've not joined a forum before, so I'm slightly surprised that something so positive in aspiration as avalon can attract posts that are devisive as they have been.

I for one want to see positive change in our world for positive reasons. If that can't happen in electronic space with complete strangers, then it won't in real space with real people either.

Let's hope this clearout will mark a change in vibe too.

P.S. By real...I take it that you are all a figment of my infinite ego ;0)

[Lunaris]

sounds good to me!

where do you go to read or post stuff that isn't survival or gound crew oriented???

i live by the woods and know a lot of peeps that already for the past 40 yrs have lived in small communities that self sustain each other...these are wonderful things for sure!

i am here for the more spiritual posts rather than the survival issues stuff...does this mean that all of that stuff is now gone???

i surely do not want to disrespect anyone and i can find another forum i am sure that i can find info on spirituality,quantum physics, timewavs zero, 4d shift, etc etc etc....

just let me know!

thanx and om shanti!

i am sure you have a lot of work on your hands!

peace and love to you all....


THERE ARE MULTIPLE SUBFORUMS WITH ALL THE INFORMATION YOU ARE SEEKING, AS WELL AS THE CAMELOT FORUM WHICH ALSO HAS MULTIPLE SUBFORUMS.

[NewParadigmGuy]

The only people I see being banned are those who communicate in an abusive, disresptful style. There may be things I have not seen. Often someone takes offense by misinterpretating the other's intent.

I don't see people being banned for disagreeing, but for the abusive manner in which they go about it. These are often (not always) the people that get banned from one discussion list or forum after another, and they never get it that it's not the ideas they present, but the personal attacks and choice of words, like "You are blind if you think that." You are ... is the hallmark of the personal attack. Try using I feel, or I think ...

Thank you to the mods for cleaning up the forum.

Having been a moderator in a large discussion group, I'm well aware of the far-out plots that some people ascribe to the moderators who volunteer their time to keep the list/forum from descending into a flaming war of words.

The key is respect. And do not slam the volunteer mods for doing their job.

I hope this helps explain it's not the ideas that get you banned, but the attitude.

Well said. :thumb_yello:

[bilderburger w/cheese]

this is great news. clean the house.

[lotusflower]

That answers my question about where my post went---but not the original question asked on my post..."If you were running for the presidency, how would you go about doing it?" Play the Game or have sign on your back saying "I am against TPTB"

[ghglenn]

Clean the House!!! :adminpower:
You have my blessings:mf_popeanim:

On a more serious note, Thanks for your time.
I hope the result is a positive one.

[Carol]

Just a heads up, over 50% of the threads were moved and did not belong here. Others that remained still need sorting but I do not have the time to open several hundred threads to check on this.

If you truly would like to be part of the solution.. you can help by taking a look at what is left and let us know where you think the thread should be moved to.

At least now some of the Avalon info is more easily found. If you post a thread non-Avalon related, know it will be moved into the holding area until we have time to sort it all out.

We are currently short on mods and have a new team starting in the next few days.

Mahlo Nui Loa and thank you everyone for your support and help.

Carol

[THE eXchanger]

Who decides what is a disparaging or negative post? Negative as compared to what?

I disagree with a fair few of the views on various threads, does that make me negative?

average joe--you make above average "good" sense ;)

[MMe M]

Who decides what is a disparaging or negative post? Negative as compared to what?

I disagree with a fair few of the views on various threads, does that make me negative?

Too right Joe. We usually always disagree but I love ya anyways! We are adults after all. We can disagree and still both be right, and allow for tempers every now and then. Its gonna happen.

[whitecrow]

this is great news. clean the house.

I'm with bbw/c, great job Carol!

[Lythocrist]

TARGETING INDIVIDUALS

Posts should not be directed to specific individuals such as Bill Ryan, Kerry Cassidy or any specific witness unless a discussion has already opened. We advise you to direct your comments, questions and concerns to the group, so anyone may answer you. This promotes community discussion rather than personalities.

as quoted from Carol.

I am happy to see this being addressed. I have seen many personal attacks, and disregard for other's respect.

Well done Bill,Kerry, The Mods. Keep up the good work.

[recallone]

Good job - it's about time!
It seems to me the ones that are going to be bent out of shape about this are the very ones that create the arguments to begin with. If you're not addressing anyone with an agenda to belittle or shame them, then you shouldn't really have anything to worry about.

This forum has been struggling to maintain a vibration of love and light - the dissenters challenge that intent. While I'm not too keen on certain four letter words being automatically sanitized (after all, we ARE all adults), I'm glad this is taking place. It'll help keep some of the otherwise non-confrontational beings of love and light in the mix.

Thank you
recallone

[Humble Janitor]

I actually think this housecleaning is a great idea as I tend to spend more time at the Camelot part of the forums, since I really don't know what I can offer Avalon in terms of ground crew organization, etc.

[LaRosa]

Thank you Carol for your initiative. I support 100% this much needed clean-up.
I did not want to suggest something like this myself as the peoples not following the guideline would have flame me but I was hoping it would happen. The forum is infested with a few members, who are actively posting and always it has nothing to do with the safe places, preparation and communities. For them Avalon is just a cool place to hang out. Well like you said, there are many others cool places to hang out. Here Avalon have a purpose and let's defend it so it fulfill it's purpose. Move things as you wish, ban those who make the users waste their time. Hopefully they will learn something.
Stick to the guideline, I love & support this project, the mods, the administration. Do as you feel is for the benefit of the silent majority who seeks help, advices, food for toughs and positives actions and models.

Cheers! :thumb_yello:

[capreycorn]

CLEAN UP IS FINE

just don`t throw away all the INFO.
best would be to sort things out.
throw away the "flaming" and keep "information".

the "HEADS UP!!!" thread (started by Wes White Wolf) had lots of flaming and lots of information..
i would like to see the information again..

your cleanup came without correct forewarning.

the welcome notice is quite old. it still mentions miriam delicado but doesn`t show any cleanup date.

otherwise i would have downloaded the information i thought important with the help of some webstripper onto my harddrive before you started "spring cleaning". (probably would have downloaded the whole site anyway... for all the good info it had)

cheers

[capreycorn]

this can`t be it...

information which could be vital for "ground crews" is still gone...
downloading the site would have been good for offline reading in the first place and also would have enabled a retroactive sorting out of the info for those who plan to eventually have ground crews that are well informed/prepared.

the stuff to be "dumped" should be kept accessible on some sort of "project avalon forum junk yard"

cheers

[capreycorn]

is the cleanup over?:nono:

[Jenny]

Hi CapreyCorn,

For now the clean up is over.
Carol is in charge of that.

All info is in review and nothing is lost.
It is a hell of a job to clean threads and keep the good Info intact and make it available once more.

I hope we get to do that asap.:original:

Jenny

[norman]

Thank you Carol for your initiative. I support 100% this much needed clean-up........

........... Move things as you wish, ban those who make the users waste their time. Hopefully they will learn something.
Stick to the guideline, I love & support this project, the mods, the administration. Do as you feel is for the benefit of the silent majority who seeks help, advices, food for thoughts and positives actions and models.

Cheers! :thumb_yello:


LaRosa, I agree.

I don't think I saw "food for thoughts" listed in the Avalon 'brief'. That troubles me slightly.

Also, IMO the "NEW POSTS" button is as much a curse as a blessing for this forum. It's a valuable tool that I wouldn't want to remove but it has a strong propensity to obliterate all distinctions between forums and threads. Although, officially, this is Project Camelot and Project Avalon, it is effectively "Project NEW POSTS" and has manifested as such.

I'd like to suggest that, if it is possible, there be multiple 'new posts' buttons.

The idea of a fixed charter for this project gives me negative vibrations. I fully appreciate the current initiative to clean this place up and in a week or so we will know better what that looks like. Hard research is in the charter. It should be. Hard analysis is not in the charter. It's a grey area. Many people here probably don't even believe in analysis but are willing to be subjective in their own terms never the less. It's a conundrum and is very difficult to manage as a large disparate 'community' without having pillow fights breaking out.

If I'm not first banned, the one thing above all else that will decide whether I stay active here or not, will be whether or not I feel safe here. Mary Lou's outburst gave me a paranoid view of this forum for a few hours but what will really drive me away, should it happen, will be an intellectual "Mission Accomplished" speech from the flight deck of this great ship.

* ( I know Avalon doesn't really have a charter. I just borrowed the term to clarify my thinking. )

:mf_pain:

norman.

[capreycorn]

Hi CapreyCorn,

For now the clean up is over.
Carol is in charge of that.

All info is in review and nothing is lost.
It is a hell of a job to clean threads and keep the good Info intact and make it available once more.

I hope we get to do that asap.:original:

Jenny

thank you for the feedback.

seems that most is back. still haven`t found the info i was looking for in the "HEADS UP!!!......." thread by "Wes_Whitewolf" (couldn`t find the thread)
..I`ll keep looking later again..

thanks again & cheers :winksmiley02:

[Carol]

Aloha,

Our researchers have stepped into help sort the threads that need cleaning up and where they will be going. The mods will then clear out the negative content, leaving the info and sort the threads into their appropriate sub forums.

There were approximate 512 threads that were moved yesterday. It is no wonder that Avalon was dragging down to a slow halt.

As to Mary Lou, her information was incorrect with some respects. The HD info had been out in the open for months. She just found out about it and acted on her own without consulting any of us. If she had taken the time to talk to us we could have prevented the fallout.

As to the whole notion of psychic attacks.. all of the symptoms these folks had could have easily been the result of EMF (electro magnetic frequency) exposure from spending way too many hours in front of the computer and being bone tired. Some mods put in 20-hour days here. What does that tell you? They were covering and pouring their hearts out to keep this place going. Meanwhile, that type of dedication resulted in extreme fatigue.

Most folks realize that fatigue can play tricks with the mind and also lends itself to paranoia. This appears to be what happened. We had good people who were just way overworked keeping this forum opened and protecting it from spammers.

Hopefully a lesson has been learned from all of this. We have new mods coming on today and will be having more of the members joining us as mods later this week.

I want to thank everyone for their support while we get these threads sorted out for you. Just remember... when they are put back you can find them if you posted on the thread, or you remember who posted on the thread, by going to the statistics area in the bio pages of the members and clicking. It will show all posts and threads started by that member, or yourself, and you can direct link into the thread you're interested in from there.

For further understanding and clarification, below is the point system used by the mods for infractions. Our software system has been set up to automatically suspend someone once they reach the alloted points for a suspension. As this was just set up yesterday.. there may still be a software glitch or two also needing sorting out. Please be patient with us while we work on this and feel free to contact us if you notice something not right with it as well. I just want to add that usually someone has to have 3 infractions before being suspended. Suspensions can range from 24 hours onward depending upon what the infraction is for. Personally, I don't yet understand this new software program so until it's sorted out at this end there will likely be some problems with this for a few days. Thank you again for your patience.


Title/ Points/ Expires/ Warning
Inappropriate Language 1 10 Day(s)
Signature Rule Violation 1 10 Day(s)
Spammed Advertisements 1 10 Day(s)
Insulted Other Member(s) 2 30 Day(s)
Spreading Negativity 3 30 Day(s)
Pornography 100 Never

See here for further clarification http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/showpost.php?p=77103&postcount=60

[Jenny]

Additional;

The infractionpoints given are in the end a mod decision.

Suspensions and how long a suspension is given is ultimately a mod decision.

The software vBulletin gives us a guideline which we use.
As guideline.:original:


Jenny

[David]

Thank you, Thank you!!!

[motov]

i feel some positive rise here now....:original:

[Steve_G]

Aloha, ...

I just want to add that usually someone has to have 3 infractions before being suspended. Suspensions can range from 24 hours onward depending upon what the infraction is for. Personally, I don't yet understand this new software program so until it's sorted out at this end there will likely be some problems with this for a few days. Thank you again for your patience.


Title/ Points/ Expires/ Warning
Inappropriate Language 1 10 Day(s)
Signature Rule Violation 1 10 Day(s)
Spammed Advertisements 1 10 Day(s)
Insulted Other Member(s) 2 30 Day(s)
Spreading Negativity 3 30 Day(s)
Pornography 100 Never

So "spreading negativity" will result in an instant (minimum) 30 day ban!? On Avalon!!!?? The home of the coming apocalypse!!?? :lmao:

You just couldn't make this stuff up! Doesn't anyone else spot the contradiction? Or has everyone been so terrified by the shock and awe tactics that you daren't say anything any more?

Edit: I agree with the cleanup, it certainly needs it, but talk about overkill.

[Jenny]

Additional;

The infractionpoints given are in the end a mod decision.

Suspensions and how long a suspension is given is ultimately a mod decision.

The software vBulletin gives us a guideline which we use.
As guideline.:original:


Jenny


Moderators can change the amount of time, days or months, whatever.

It is a guideline Sunrunner, to be adjusted as we see fit and agree upon.

[Jack]

Very good Carol.

You have got my support 100% in what you are doing.

And those who are playing the 'hitler' card are some of those who are obviously trying to cause friction. Such statements as "Ohh a ban.. scary, you know what that means" or "Ohh look at all the restrictions" are hallmarks of those who are trying to cause trouble and this kind of thing should not be tolerated.

A forum such as this needs to be controled to a very large extent. And the reason being is that it is far too easy for negativly orientated people to divert its course under the guise of 'free speach'

I have full trust in the owners and the moderators of this forum to control it in a just fair manner. We are not at the point where such things can be run freely by the people just yet for the obvious reason of sabeutars but we could not have better moderators to do this job.

Good call Carol, Take no ***** and dont be discouraged by the people who are branding the forum owners the same as our own political leaders because i know in my heart and soul that if the intention is good then the result will follow.

[pineal-pilot-in merkabah]

Who decides what is a disparaging or negative post? Negative as compared to what?

I disagree with a fair few of the views on various threads, does that make me negative?

:sweatdrop: gulp think im in trouble lol.. ive prob offended.. i agree tho avalon needs to get back on track.. to the pure reason for its start up:original::thumb_yello:

[pineal-pilot-in merkabah]

So "spreading negativity" will result in an instant (minimum) 30 day ban!? On Avalon!!!?? The home of the coming apocalypse!!?? :lmao:

You just couldn't make this stuff up! Doesn't anyone else spot the contradiction? Or has everyone been so terrified by the shock and awe tactics that you daren't say anything any more?

Edit: I agree with the cleanup, it certainly needs it, but talk about overkill.may i ask if you think nothing is coming why ARE YOU HERE???:nono:
any threads that deal with topics that are to your distaste can easily be avoided.. i hardly look in the spirituality section, that is my choice. i agree with the tightening up of the ship so to speak:smoke:

[John aka#404]

On Avalon!!!?? The home of the coming apocalypse!!??
JUST SINCE "apocalypse" was brought up...

Apocalypse is defined as "revelation" (Greek: Ἀποκάλυψις -translit. Apokalypsis), literally it means "the lifting of the veil". This is a term applied to the disclosure to certain privileged persons of something hidden from the mass of humankind.
- Neil Kramer, 2012 Rebooting the Planet (http://thecleaver.blogspot.com/search?updated-min=2007-01-01T00%3A00%3A00Z&updated-max=2008-01-01T00%3A00%3A00Z&max-results=11)

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[Lotus]

:thumb_yello:

Go for it, it's about time

Ring out the old, ring in the new

p.s. try a Q-link for computer fatigue, seems to work!

[calico]

You are doing the right thing here! Keep focusing on the vision and mission of the forum and lose the rest. Perhaps there will be time and opportunity for real ground crew to get to work here once the noisemakers go find other sites. :thumb_yello:

[Mike_Jetson]

Woohoo

Now I look less of a bitch for telling folk they shouldnt post here :D

[Kulapops]

So "spreading negativity" will result in an instant (minimum) 30 day ban!? On Avalon!!!?? The home of the coming apocalypse!!?? :lmao:


Well, I think the point is although the outlook of the subject matter may be negative - e.g. "banks close for a week starting December 1, cities will grind to a halt and there may be chaos for those not prepared", I think the manner in which, an albeit dubious, fact such as this is reported or discussed can be in a positive or negative manner depending on the poster, or the poster's attitude.

I do remember one thread beginning '2 billion people are gonna die !'. I think there were more capitals than I've represented here... :wink2:

If one thinks about the ultimate intention of the poster, then you can look for spreading negativity. Of course if it ends up that 90% of all material on Avalon were to be about such doom and gloom, then I think you'd be right in saying it was the forum that was encouraging negativity. I don't believe that is the owner's intention. If I thought it was, then yes...I would not be here either !

peace n love... and congratulations on your Moderatorship Sunrunner...and good luck for what seems to be a very challenging yet worthwhile role.

K

[Tuza]

I have just read the last six posts on this thread and I am a bit confused about the ban concerning posting negative comments. This needs to be clarified somewhat as "posting negative comments" is a bit subjective I think. Do you negative comments to another poster, negative comments about certain people, viz-a-viz whistleblowers, posting negative comments re negative news concerning reports one has found for information of forum members.

I presuming it has to do with negative comments about other posters, individual members or whistleblowers but clarification might be prudent.

[Kulapops]

I have just read the last six posts on this thread and I am a bit confused about the ban concerning posting negative comments. This needs to be clarified somewhat as "posting negative comments" is a bit subjective I think. Do you negative comments to another poster, negative comments about certain people, viz-a-viz whistleblowers, posting negative comments re negative news concerning reports one has found for information of forum members.

I presuming it has to do with negative comments about other posters, individual members or whistleblowers but clarification might be prudent.

Actually, thinking about it, I think you're more on-track Tuza. No one could be blamed for posting about something negative, even if they felt negative about it (that's not exactly fair). But spreading a feeling of negativity towards other posters would surely be a no-no...

Though I still think if someone just comes to avalon to spread one negative story after another, surely that's not on? Maybe it is. What do I know...I'm not a moderator! I'll leave the answer to those that know...

[RSF]

Hey all,

Seems to me all boards tri-in nonsense from Members but the Moderators have the tuff work in being Judge & Jury to negative events and sometimes negative members beyond posts.

But seems to me what we have here are level-minded Moderators:lmao: keeping this site, a rather big site, balanced.
RSF

[Ampgod]

Well done.

[Frank Samuel]

Go Carol go!!! Negativity breeds negativity, I wish we can all be above that. So much to learn so little time. A big hug to all:wub2:

[MMe M]

I have just read the last six posts on this thread and I am a bit confused about the ban concerning posting negative comments. This needs to be clarified somewhat as "posting negative comments" is a bit subjective I think. Do you negative comments to another poster, negative comments about certain people, viz-a-viz whistleblowers, posting negative comments re negative news concerning reports one has found for information of forum members.

I presuming it has to do with negative comments about other posters, individual members or whistleblowers but clarification might be prudent.


Yeah cause ya know like while were all sitting on the beach like focusing on the positive aspects holding back the tidal wave, we like cant have a negative poster on tha Avalon. Gawd, like thats too scary, like im totally not feeling the energy now. Like ... way too frenetic dude. Were like just doomed and nobody brought their sticks man. :rip_1:

[broken arrow]

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[IRKCOD]

Good work, it needs to be done.

Stick to the original concepts.
The Clean-out is not censorship it is an attempt to bring the forum back to its purpose.

The mystic and religious are relevant on the appropriate forum. If deemed appropriate - one linked to this one as Camelot is.

Personally, I have an interest in both but would like to see them differentiated, as trolling through the treads can be 'off-putting' and is leading to the loss of good 'ideas' posted by other members.

Also we should be here to help one-another and not to 'slag' other members or concepts we do not agree with.

[Seven]

CLEAR UP is fine by me

In dutch we have an expression "ik kon door de bomen het bos niet meer zien" translating it to English might look silly "I could no longer see the forest due to to many trees"
That was the feeling I got here, in the past week ... I even was thinking of leaving because of it.

So ... Bill, Kerry, The Mods and Researchers ... I appreciate the work you are putting in to it ... :thumb_yello:

[Karen]

Who decides what is a disparaging or negative post? Negative as compared to what? I disagree with a fair few of the views on various threads, does that make me negative?

Negative as in negative attitude, and negative as related to the companion word, disparaging. I see no evidence the "negative" topics, such as in the category of "doom and gloom" are a problem.

Also negative as outlined by Carol throughout the first post to this topic.
"trash THE FORUM OWNERS, THE MODS, THE FORUM OR ANY MEMBER OF THE FORUM. " Treating others with disrespect or breaking any of the other rules. I suggest reading through the post again.

Just as an example, please do not take this out of context. Here would be a "negative" reply to your question and all the other's that piped in also ... "Duh morons, by kindergarden most have figured out what is negative treatment of others." The first part of my reply is simply factual and attempts to be kind, or at least neutral no personal attacks, no name calling, no sarcasm.

I hope this helps. I can clarify more if need be. To me it's very obvious - it is disrespectful, it trashes something other than yourself. It hurts.

Karen

[TranceAm]

"I could no longer see the forest due to to many trees"


And the blind man answers, What is a forest, and how do I see it?

Lets define Negativity:

Mods correct me If I feel this wrong, or add to the viewpoint at will.

Negativity is not a viewpoint/perception on a world affair, that might affect a lot/all of us,
(Hell it is not that Ground Crews and radiant sites are prepared or introduced as idea as an alternative for community forms or communities that are existing right now.) but more, a post/reply clearly intended to hurt either the person/the forum/the community or their selfesteem, and said attacks are based on the thoughts posted here.. Negativity neither is failing to agree with the points presented in a post.. Different people, Different perceptions. Otherwise every post becomes a little dictators decree.

Let me give an example..

"NASA has spotten an asteroid, that can with a high degree of accuracy be prophetised to hit Earth.. "

Is not negative. And if you are without fear, It is just information that could either be true or not True, Time will tell in this case. To some the Orson Welles Radio show back then was just that.. A radio play... The War on the worlds.... Other flew of the track in Fear..

vs
You are comparable to a steaming pile of ... for saying that! What am I going to tell my children.
Are you crazy?
(Or, and I have to confess, I am pretty good :-) at this one.. Telling the truth, with "Are you Childish? Grow Up!" Although It is meant positive.. It is a 2x4 slam dunk right on the minds eye. And the more blownup the Ego is, the harder is the reaction that is provoked.)

Further more, there are all kinds of discussion techniques out there to distort or distroy good thought exchanges between members..
Fallacies come to mind as in http://www.onegoodmove.org/fallacy/toc.htm
Or shill techniques http://www.whale.to/m/disin.html or http://www.benfrank.net/disinfo/

Also..... Tone... Tone...

Compare
"ENOUGH IS ENOUGH"
to
"OK people, there is a problem, and we have to take it by the horns to solve it" ;-)
.
Imagine what the reaction to your words will be, if everyone would be present in a crowd, and you have to present your ideas...

I hope this helps clearing some spots that were left behind by the broom.
(And most times cleaning up is nothing more then moving unwanted things from one place to the other but always out of sight.)
Lets change by not making unwanted things.

"Yes we Can" ;-)

btw, It is the same "you" in this virtual world of ideas, and out there in the forest..
What seed will you plant?

[Karen]

Nice post and explanation TranceAm. I agree.

[Anchor]

Title/ Points/ Expires/ Warning
Inappropriate Language 1 10 Day(s)
Signature Rule Violation 1 10 Day(s)
Spammed Advertisements 1 10 Day(s)
Insulted Other Member(s) 2 30 Day(s)
Spreading Negativity 3 30 Day(s)
Pornography 100 Never

I hope this clarification that I am posting does not make things worse :)

The category names are not definitions of the rules. Please don't infer that because there is a "Spreading Negativity" category that this means we will suppress debate. Our main guidelines are the forum guidelines and what is important (ie: on-topic) for the Avalon mission.

Some elaboration:

1) A moderator can give an infraction with 0 points, this is called a WARNING.

2) Those "Day(s)" you see in the quote from Carols post can and usually are overridden. When an infraction is given the moderator can set an expiry date. At the expiry date the infraction is removed from the count and no longer counts as an infraction. This is important because, since we fixed things, if you were to accrue three active unexpired infractions, you get a ban for 7 days (more on that later).

3) The infraction categories or titles are completely discretionary. A moderator can choose one of the above categories or make up their own that is more in tune with the situation. Our aim is not to insult, and some of the default ones can be insensitive. That is in fact what I normally do, because I don't always agree with the wording of the classifications. For example: I have posted infractions/warnings for posting "Naked Links" or "Multiple Duplicate Postings" with very limited expiry times - so as not to be too harsh. Also, that means if I want I can give an infraction for "Spreading Negativity" for 1 point and make it expire in 1 day. See how it works ? It is flexible and lets us compromise where we can. We love you all really, so thats why it is the way it is.

4) Infractions for very serious causes can be permanent.

5) Infractions are reversible - so in the case of an error of judgment (it can happen, we are human, I know I screwed up one already and I am sorry - you know who you are), or other special cases, infractions can be removed as if they had never happened. This can be done by anyone capable of issuing infractions or the site administrator.

Certain unexpired points thresholds and/or certain quantities of unexpired infractions trigger a ban[1]. The ban always has a reason associated with it, and bans are reversible by the site administrator if needed. The length of an automated ban is rarely more than 7 days, more usually it is 1 day. This gives the administrator time to review and either lengthen or shorten the ban as required. When auto-banning happens, the administrator is notified and can review the situation and fix things if they have gone wrong. Usually an administrator ban, one that is done outside the infraction system is for a serious reason and is almost always permanent.

A..

[1] This is a complex and potentially confusing table, so I don't want to post it - I cant see how it will help anything. Also note that if we get time, we can edit the current infraction defaults and auto-ban parameters, so what Carol posted and what I quoted could in fact change as we tune the system later.

[Swanny]

So many rules and regulations in this forum now :(
And such a shame that some good people have left or been banned.

Free speech is not allowed now as you have to really think about what your saying and whether or not it will be against one of the many rules.
For example :-
Is this a negative post?? :blink:

[Carol]

I'm sorry Swanny but these guidelines have been posted here from the onset. Folks just never bothered to look and as a result really good folks left because of how they were poorly treated by other members who didn't follow the guidelines - and all of the negativity that resulted.

This is a very new forum.. and just took off a bit too rapidly for everyone in the back doing the moderation to keep up. Things will sort themselves out and the creme will rise to the top once again after the debris is cleared out.

Everyone knows when gardening that after the seeds have been planted before the garden can grow the weeds must be cleared out.

I know for a fact that many who left also pop back in to see if we've sorted the weeds out yet. They will return to post again if they know the garden is healthy and fruitfull.

[Truth voice 2012]

So many rules and regulations in this forum now :(
And such a shame that some good people have left or been banned.

Free speech is not allowed now as you have to really think about what your saying and whether or not it will be against one of the many rules.
For example :-
Is this a negative post?? :blink:

It depends on the life experience so far of the person reading it. For me its balanced logical question. But for others based on the info theyve looked into themselves, you may viewed as a illuminati spy or negative r sumthin, just as some people want to grab a gun and go after the PTB and others would prefere to love and suck nectar from bumble-bee's bottoms n such while civilisation crumbles around them. Personally I dont believe in moderation of anything really. Our pupose here is to expierience this 3D hologram we seem to be stuck in. Some extensions of the source (people) will have a more extreme life experience and others wont.

Avalon seems to have become more than a ground crew hub. It has become a focus point for the part of the mass consiousness that is awake here on earth to argue out the truth from the BS about itself. We all have a part to play. Things will be s**ty here while things are s**t outside. Logically, if things are let to run their course here the light/truth will eventually make the darkness receed as conciousness does its decernment.

Peace & fluffy kittens to you all.:smoke:

[Truth voice 2012]

Everyone knows when gardening that after the seeds have been planted before the garden can grow the weeds must be cleared out.




True but at the same time nature knows that the weeds have an important part to play in creating balance in her garden. From what I can see our whole exsistence is duality. A Lion isnt considered evil because it kills and eats the flesh of another living being. Its just doing its job, Just like the reptilians and just like the light beings (Light meaning good). Its interesting what another member here posted: There are twelve illuminati on avalon. 6 good, 6 bad. Theres that balance again. Just as ive seen some horriffic info here Ive also seen some of the most life changing threads and insights Ive ever seen. That duality again. I think avalon could be at risk at becoming stale with too much moderation. The list of rules there is pretty intense after all.

Im not arguing or anything I really couldnt care less what ye do here. I just said Id offer another perspective. I enjoy coming here after work and spending some in reality but please dont go nuts k?

Love ya lots like jelly tots.

[Swanny]

I agree to much moderation and too many bottom kissing yes men types will make this a very boring place.
Variety is the spice of life :thumb_yello:

[pineal-pilot-in merkabah]

i think they mean to focus on the original purposeo0f this forum.. creating communities and offering advice and help.. anything else can be discussed on project camelot or other forums

[David]

Keep up the good work Mods. :thumb_yello:

[capreycorn]

it`s really a "point of view" thing

smells like "teen spirit", the forum is getting through puberty...
or is what goes on here a wee bit like "corporate identity"
which allows no true freedom of speech?

[Xhaosis]

Hmm I am glad things are getting orderly. Carol you sound very orderly.. I just received some very very grimm news today.. Which in part, is exemplifying the whole idea of thinking outside of the box. I still want to refuse to look outside of the idea that everything will be ok if we Just WORK it out, but their is something very very strange in the air, this day and age.. As if right before the dark ages of long ago, I feel a strange stagnation of change about to occur. I feel politics will fail, leaving it only to the strong communities that preserve our nature, and if being here is something to help people get on when something horrible happens then so be it. Our time of reveling in this jubilee of a great society I believe is coming to a end. No matter how much I hope, and dream in our new leadership floating down this stream that is our dream flowing down with a current into a sea called our future, I feel it is daunted with the saliva of the desperate and the blood of the bold. A cloudy haze I see, a mist floating above this liquid, neither warm nor cold.. Just a specimen on a culture, that will be to man's surprise.. A once confident man, just took a moment to run and hide. Just for a moment in a second of time.. It is time to expect the unexpected at all times..

PEACE

[Karen]

I think avalon could be at risk at becoming stale with too much moderation. The list of rules there is pretty intense after all. Im not arguing or anything I really couldnt care less what ye do here. I just said Id offer another perspective. I enjoy coming here after work and spending some in reality but please dont go nuts k?

From my perspective, the rules here are very much in line with other discussion groups/forums, that have been developed over the many years since they came into being.

As far as freedom to post topics, I don't see much limiting of that; mainly the moderators would appreciate it very much though if members could take a moment or two in thought to post to the correct part of the forum and stay on topic within a thread.

Besides moving threads to their proper place in the scheme of Avalon/Camelot, the other biggie is disrespectful bashing of whomever/whatever and that is what we want to call an end to. If you have problems with the moderators the kosher way to handle that is to PM this information privately to a mod to see if there is some misunderstanding, because that often is the case. Public flaming is banned in most groups/forums.

I see no chance whatsoever of the forum becoming stale.

Karen

[KassandraLoves]

...Isnt this exactly what we agreed to when we signed up?

I liken it to smoking cigarettes your whole life and then getting all angry at the cigarette company when you get throat cancer. Like, "I didnt know these things caused cancer!?" Its on the package. We all know that they can cause cancer. You kinda signed up for it, buddy....

Not sayin that the mods are throat cancer, LOL, just sayin that this is pretty much what we signed up for.

THANKS MODS!!!

[Carol]

I agree to much moderation and too many bottom kissing yes men types will make this a very boring place.
Variety is the spice of life :thumb_yello:

Swanny, how could it possibly get deadly dull with you here. And those who really know me.. tend to belly laugh quite a lot. :mfr_lol:

[Carol]

Please welcome the new moderators to our team. They will be traveling around in golden 'type' and are available to assist you should you need someone to turn to for some help. :trumpet:

SAMARKIS - Sara
SUNRUNNER - Steve G
TIMEISSHORT - Jack
HEART OF GOLD - Karen
SEVA - Miki

[Stephen]

hmmm..."bottom Kissing Men types". What does that really mean? :smoke:

I do know that it is a privilege and not a right to post on any private forum. Yes, it is open to the public but privatly owned.
Most people know that each and every forum has guidelines/rules.
Why should this place be any different?

[Truth voice 2012]

No probs Karen. Didnt mean to make a curfuffle. I just like observing the duality of everything. Its interesting stuff.

Its just when some people here will have to pretend to be nice it gets a little less interesting. I was always able to get any info I needed from this forum even with all the other crazy stuff so I dont really mind. I agree with you on the abuse thing to some degree and I have no issues with any of the avalon team. Were all here at this time for a reason.

Peace out

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
"May droplets of love fall into your cups of tea"-a quote from a crazy man in straight jacket

[David]

Thank you Sara, Steve, Jack, Franci, Karen & Miki. Glad to have you all as our moderators.

[TranceAm]

hmmm..."bottom Kissing Men types". What does that really mean? :smoke:

I guess on a strict filosophical plane there are 4 types of them
The receivers that like to get said kisses,
The givers that like to give said kisses,
The Viewers that like to see the kissing,
and the ones Imagining any interaction with bottoms.

privilege[/I] and not a right to post on any private forum. Yes, it is open to the public but privatly owned.
Most people know that each and every forum has guidelines/rules.
Why should this place be any different?

Because here we are going to do something different Stephen...
It is not the Mods vs the Community.. The Mods are Part of the community.

Wait until someone suggest out of nowhere that Mods in such an important forum for humanity should be elected by the community..

On a personal Note, we need to forget the incident that happened this weekend.
I suggest, One Thread was never posted, Your and My edits never happened...
We just only imagine they did, and what they could have caused... So we could ponder, If it was really worth it?

btw, "Crystal Clear" is REALLY a good piece of music. If you haven't listened to it yet, You owe it to yourself.

And eh, bottom kissing men.. Bend oooooh.. NM* :mfr_omg:

[Hypnotize]

Finding safe places, information and resources for building communities, site suggestions.

if your going to narrow down whats aloud in general discussion to those few things perhaps you should change the name of that section. general discussion doesn't seem to be very general.

[Swanny]

Hey I never said "bottom Kissing Men types"
Kissing a mans bottom is not something I would want to do but each to their own :original:

I said bottom kissing yes men. :naughty:

Carol I'll try to stick around to make you smile but I'm thinking it's only a matter of time before I fall in front of the moderators mighty ban button :rip_1:
Either that or they bring the subscription ban in and we all get banned :zip:

[TranceAm]

Carol I'll try to stick around to make you smile but I'm thinking it's only a matter of time before I fall in front of the moderators mighty ban button :rip_1:

Button (http://www.pixelscapes.com/spatulacity/button.htm)
In that case, you can walk the plank from this ship of sanity on the net shivering in fear, or dance, jump and perform on it, like you don't fear to dissapear in the waves of bits...


Either that or they bring the subscription ban in and we all get banned :zip:

Well either that, or your subscription will $10,000,000,000 A month and rising a couple of % a day. I think paypal and other electronic money transfer programs can handle such <electronic> amounts of fiat money. I would be more worried about to get that wheelbarrow of paper weight home each day after work. :lmfao:

Oh, I need a :cup: and a :smoke: :winksmiley02:

[Anchor]

Finding safe places, information and resources for building communities, site suggestions.

if your going to narrow down whats aloud in general discussion to those few things perhaps you should change the name of that section. general discussion doesn't seem to be very general.

That, is a very good point.

Lets see if the idea takes, its certainly worth thinking about.

A..

[Tuza]

Oh for goodness sake, these guys give me a laugh at times and I certainly darn well need a good laugh in this day and age. There not being overly nasty, critical or mean, lighten up Camelot for our God,s sake.:naughty::cup::smoke:

[Peer]

And the blind man answers, What is a forest, and how do I see it?



A forest is a collections of self growing things like the one that caused that huge bump on your forehead. :mfr_lol:

[Pomguymguy]

Just sit back - Take in several very deep breaths

Then just take a look at the Camelot Mission statement page !

Could well be the reason why most of us are here ?:mfr_lol:

:welcomeani: and the Truth Is ? ? ? Out there somewhere ! We just have to keep on chipping away, I guess......The MODS and the ROCKERS...together !

[broken arrow]

.

[Carol]

Hiding is for wimps. I plan on sitting on the trampoline... or lying down on it under some blankets staring up at the stars. Life is good if we let it be.

[Carol]

Carol I'll try to stick around to make you smile but I'm thinking it's only a matter of time before I fall in front of the moderators mighty ban button :rip_1:
Either that or they bring the subscription ban in and we all get banned :zip:

Ahh Swanny, folks make assumptions and act on them as if their assumptions are real... subscription isn't even decided and if there is one pretty much everything will remain the same except for a special area for the subscribers.

As for falling in front of the mighty ban.. for the most part, it happens for a day or so.. except this automative system is doing strange things so who knows. Jenny is going on vacation for a month and we have new folks learning the ropes.

Seems to me your good to go for as long as you wish. :thumb_yello:

[doodah]

Thank you, Carol and other mods. I, for one, prefer a peaceful community!

If Avalon represents in a virtual sense some of the issues that will be raised in actual communities, then this has been a difficult but good lesson. Thank you for taking on this enormous house-cleaning task.

[dayzero]

>

[Swanny]

Thx Carol looks like your stuck with me for a while longer then :original:

[pineal-pilot-in merkabah]

Thank you, Carol and other mods. I, for one, prefer a peaceful community!

If Avalon represents in a virtual sense some of the issues that will be raised in actual communities, then this has been a difficult but good lesson. Thank you for taking on this enormous house-cleaning task.
2nd this. . im sure when we get into communities or groups then the base politics will rear its ugly head till all get settled.. this is indeed good practice.. i feel calmer knowing someone is tightening the site up :smoke:

i was starting to lose it a bit on occasion..

[Dean Plejaren]

before I fall in front of the moderators mighty ban button

This is what it comes down to in my view and experience. I was personally beginning to find one or two others with a spirit of inspiration for true living, the seed of action on this forum. Some began to speak out something. Then all threads deleted and me and others banned and my pm banned. Luckily my ban was a break. A break from being naughty or something....I didn't think I was naughty just realistic as I could be.

This announcement was a result of one or two things. People leaving in disgust because of what I saw as new energy of the forum which seemed to conflict with the original standard and upset people the direction it was going in (which I found was getting more relevant to the actual description of the forums purpose) and others starting to rebel because of realizing censorship of this true direction.

I don't want to cause any fuss but that's how I see it. You always find one or two level headed people on these kinds of forums. When they start speaking together it's seen as dissent. They are like a needle in a haystack.

If I get banned or moderated for saying it, hey what can I say got to make my own forum to be on level playing field.

Most of the stuff posted doesn't interest me. I've found out General discussion is closely guarded because subjects that did interest me were more or less wiped clean. "cleaning the forum up".

It depends how you clean it up that determines it's direction. You can use the guidelines and justify but it all depends on who does the interpretation not on the guidelines themself that have the power to moderate.

Cheers

[Carol]

Hi Dean,

Try Off Topic in Camelot as that is where most of the threads are being moved to. Not gone, just being sorted into the forums that relates to them.

You can also go to your own home bio page and check your statistics to check and see if the thread has made it out of the review area as well. Just click on your name and it will take you there. :thumb_yello:

[Dean Plejaren]

Hello Carol.
I've searched for them they are definitely not avaliable from what I can see. I couldn't see any review threads in statistics. Everything got lost after the cleanup. Including people I was contacting at the time.

[Anchor]

Dean you raise a good point. Note what was said: "are being", not "have been". The process is on going. I am currently involved in the review of those threads we moved from the public forum.

To clarify, some threads are being marked for permenant deletion, other threads are slowly being repatriated in the most appropriate place on the forum. Personally, I have repatriated approximately 8 threads and marked over 40 for deletion - these threads will not come back into the forum, and the overall process is taking a lot of time and effort. In some threads, overtly argumentative and/or off-topic posts are sometimes being deleted before repatriation.

The goal of this forum remains as first stated in the OP. "Finding safe places, information and resources for building communities, site suggestions."

A..

[Carol]

Hello Carol.
I've searched for them they are definitely not avaliable from what I can see. I couldn't see any review threads in statistics. Everything got lost after the cleanup. Including people I was contacting at the time.

Hi Dean,

If you remember the thread title, give it to me and I'll get if for you today. This goes for anyone wishing a particular thread they don't see and would like to see returned to the open forum sooner rather then later. Just PM me or post the thread title here and I will personally handle it. :thumb_yello:

[Carol]

Update 11/24/08

Over 400 thread were moved out of the Thread Review holding area to Camelot Off Topic Forum today. So please check there if you are looking for something and/or please use the search function. There were a few threads that I didn't have time to review yet but they should be in Off Topic in the next day or so.

In addition.. it's time to clean up the General Avalon Forum again only this time everything that is not in alignment with the Avalon Forum guidelines will me moved Camelot's Off Topic forum where we will sort the threads from there so that folks will have access to their threads during the sorting-out process.

If your thread is Avalon related it stays in the Avalon General Forum. Any thread that is not in alignment with the guidelines on the Avelon Forum will first be moved to the Project Camelot OFF TOPIC Forum.

Avalon General Discussion topics are to be on the following: Finding safe places, information and resources for building communities, site suggestions.

Thank your for your patience.

[Proletariat]

Thank you for everything Mother Moderator.

[Carol]

Aloha.. cleaning up the Avalon Forum now. These 43 threads were just moved to the Camelot Off Topic forum with a 4-day redirect notice. :thumb_yello: Mahalo

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New Nukes for the Home
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