does anyone have an idea what this means?

[Debby]

Maybe someone has an idea what birds mean in a childs "dream".

My youngest daughter is 2,5 years old. When she was about 1,5 and woke up , she pointed to the ceiling. Telling me about a bird. I couldn't make much of it cause of her age. But it was clear that a bird came to see her. In the last year she is able to make herself more clear cause her language is improving. She alwasys tells me excited when she wakes up about "the bird".
She goes flying with it, goes to other places and plays.A few days ago she told me that she can fly. But sometimes she is upset with the bird because it hurt her:shocked:. I never tell her that it's not possible. I give her the feeling that I understand and belive it. So that she will always have the feeling that she can trust me. Just because i can't see it doesn't mean it's not there. The way she talks about it is so real. The funny thing is that my other daughter(she's 13 years and has dreams that came true. When i was pregnant with the young one, it was a twin. She had a dream that I lost one and 2 days later at the doktor's indeed i did. And more dreams) had it when she was young but not that strong as the young one. She never had problems sleeping, it was almost party for her going to bed. She used to sleep from 7 pm till 11 am, sometimes I had to wake her 12.30pm till she was 2. She can get really mad if you wake her up, like in the other world it's better.

[Reunite]

Maybe your daughter is having astral projections..flying whilst having an obe comes second nature. Any maybe the bird is your twin baby who passed away reincarnated as this beautiful bird who likes to play with her sister??

[norman]

She goes flying with it, goes to other places and plays.A few days ago she told me that she can fly. But sometimes she is upset with the bird because it hurt her:shocked:.



I'm hesitant to butt in here BUT

I suppose you've looked, but did she have any body marks?


Also, I wonder if showing some pictures of birds (especially OWLS) would get you anywhere?

:nono:

[motov]

a bird in a primitive mind complex is a sign of something flying in the air, the first mind learn and choose when it comes to flying is bird, but cant say if that is the case here tho...

the hurting part makes me wounder and hope its just a weird dream... hope that she will tell you more....

Moto

[Debby]

I'm hesitant to butt in here BUT

I suppose you've looked, but did she have any body marks?


Also, I wonder if showing some pictures of birds (especially OWLS) would get you anywhere?

:nono:

A few times she did have some marks,and when i ask her how it came there , she says that "the stupid bird did it"

[Debby]

Maybe your daughter is having astral projections..flying whilst having an obe comes second nature. Any maybe the bird is your twin baby who passed away reincarnated as this beautiful bird who likes to play with her sister??

that's something that has crossed my mind

[motov]

i found this page that you could take a look at, dont know if you find it useful tho...

http://www.experiencefestival.com/a/Birds/id/231293

Moto

[norman]

she says that "the stupid bird did it"


I wish someone better qualified would jump in here and have better advice than mine. I think you should keep a detailed diary of these things for now. I'm not saying it's bad. It sounds like abduction to me. Profesor John Mack wrote book called 'Abduction'. There are 2 accounts in that book of people (I think they were children at the time) who saw what they later described, under hypnosis, as Owl-like creatures.

I hope I'm note scaring the daylights out of you by saying that.

If she's OK she's OK. I think those people were OK too. Don't worry, just keep track of things.

[Jenny]

I moved this thread to Visions of the Future.

:original:

[THE eXchanger]

what are her/your child's bedtime procedures ?

when she said, the stupid bird did it, to her

did you ask her,
so, can you tell me the story about how the stupid bird did it --
was it good thing/or bad thing ?
and, why do you think the bird, did that ?
and, when & how exactly did it happen ?
and, where where you and this bird,
when it happened ?

you might play into it, you know how mummy loves to read you books, and, how mummy loves to tell you stories,
do you have any good bird stories, to tell mummy,
she needs a story ...
you would be surprised, how little ones,
open up; and; spill a lot of their beans
they understand having their needs meet,
maybe, she will surprise you, and, tell you the story

brightest blessings
susan
the eXchanger
(who has had a lot of interaction with birds,
over the years, esp. when i was small-but, i was
never bitten by them)

[saintsalmon]

Not many will be able to know what this means. Your daughter will one day know. Definately find out as much as you can from your daughter about the experiences. One very important thing in dreams/astral travels, especially with visitors, is that the traveler does have some control. Tell you daughter to repeat to the bird that she doesnt want the bird to bite her or something along these lines. The repetition strengthens the command. Sounds as though your family has psychic ability so i would assume they do have power over these type of things but might not know it. Maybe all that i said won't work but you cant know untill you try. Also repeating things before sleep can help. Like in order to lucid dream there are certain phrases you can repeat to strengthen lucidity. But i think the best advice from the other postings is to find out more from your daughter. This might lead to answers.


let the light shine

[Debby]

what are her/your child's bedtime procedures ?

when she said, the stupid bird did it, to her

did you ask her,
so, can you tell me the story about how the stupid bird did it --
was it good thing/or bad thing ?
and, why do you think the bird, did that ?
and, when & how exactly did it happen ?
and, where where you and this bird,
when it happened ?

you might play into it, you know how mummy loves to read you books, and, how mummy loves to tell you stories,
do you have any good bird stories, to tell mummy,
she needs a story ...
you would be surprised, how little ones,
open up; and; spill a lot of their beans
they understand having their needs meet,
maybe, she will surprise you, and, tell you the story

brightest blessings
susan
the eXchanger
(who has had a lot of interaction with birds,
over the years, esp. when i was small-but, i was
never bitten by them)


That is something I already do. I always talk alot with my children and help them expres themself. But maybe when she is a bit older she can tell the story better so i can understand it more. She does open up to me ,, I think that is because i have always talked to her alot even when she was a little baby.
I never said that she said she was bitten, that is still unclear how it happend.
The bird comes to her bed and takes her to the sky.
Most of the time it's fun but sometimes she's scared
I tell her that if she doesn't want to go with the bird, just yell"go away"
She goes to other places.....
No other children are there, this week she did mention she went with the bird to see her sister(my 13 year old)

And the bird cleaned her bed, which she didn't like
I did show her some pictures of birds and asked her if she sees a bird which looks like her bird. The eagle got her attention.

[Debby]

I wish someone better qualified would jump in here and have better advice than mine. I think you should keep a detailed diary of these things for now. I'm not saying it's bad. It sounds like abduction to me. Profesor John Mack wrote book called 'Abduction'. There are 2 accounts in that book of people (I think they were children at the time) who saw what they later described, under hypnosis, as Owl-like creatures.

I hope I'm note scaring the daylights out of you by saying that.

If she's OK she's OK. I think those people were OK too. Don't worry, just keep track of things.

No , you didn't scare me. Of cource that is someting that has crossed my mind aswell.
Thanks

[THE eXchanger]

bird energies are quite amasing

she's lucky to have you for a mum :)

keep them talking...

never, shut them down

love
susan
the eXchanger

[Gnosis5]

I'm hesitant to butt in here BUT

I suppose you've looked, but did she have any body marks?


Also, I wonder if showing some pictures of birds (especially OWLS) would get you anywhere?

:nono:

Yes, my thoughts were going there too but I did not want to face the possible flak.

[sjkted]

Not many will be able to know what this means. Your daughter will one day know. Definately find out as much as you can from your daughter about the experiences. One very important thing in dreams/astral travels, especially with visitors, is that the traveler does have some control. Tell you daughter to repeat to the bird that she doesnt want the bird to bite her or something along these lines. The repetition strengthens the command. Sounds as though your family has psychic ability so i would assume they do have power over these type of things but might not know it. Maybe all that i said won't work but you cant know untill you try. Also repeating things before sleep can help. Like in order to lucid dream there are certain phrases you can repeat to strengthen lucidity. But i think the best advice from the other postings is to find out more from your daughter. This might lead to answers.

let the light shine

I would second this. Tell her that she is in control of herself and the situation at all times. If the bird tries to attack her, she can make it disappear. You could even role play it with her.

If it is lucid dreaming or astral traveling, there is a good chance this will do it.

--sjkted

[Harper]

Hi there,

What a worrisome thing you are dealing with my dear, but the best way forward is to keep your head and be relaxed with your daughter. The very first thing I thought of is this 'green bird' myth. Which prevades all sorts of cultures and I even heard the American Gnostic Templars refer to it in a huge way (for some reason their site won't open for me at the moment)

http://www.yeziditruth.org/the_peacock_angel

This will give you some information, of course with all things there is a duality, the green bird can also be referred to as the green dragon and take on a different feeling if you catch my drift. If your daughter is able to match the bird to a colour that would be helpful.

Its could always be the famous blue bird of happiness, don't think it hurts though. As the others all wisely said, tell her for certain that she can say NO I DONT LIKE THAT.

please let us know if she tells you anything more.

[aroundthetable]

sounds like you got a creative genius on your hands there :thumb_yello:

[GenerationIke]

I think it might be time to record what is happening to your daughter in the night. A video camera could very well pick up sensitive material. also, if there are visitors coming to see your daughter, you would need to find out just who they are.

I also suggest you contact this person, Ryan. He could help you find out what is going on, whether it is good or bad. It seems to me that if your daughter is getting bruised sometimes with this thing, it is not a good thing to have around. It was probably something you might want to eliminate here. Good spirits I doubt would hurt a child. Ryan is at:

http://www.aetv.com/paranormal-state/

There's a place where you can email him your story.

[futureyes]

hi debby ...

your daughter is very lucky to have you as her mom ... but then again ... she did pick you didn't she ... :wub2:

you wrote she said the bird is more like an eagle ... so it is of a larger type i presume ...

i'm just curious ... what color is it mostly ... primarily its head ...

with love ...

:wub2:

[Debby]

My daughter hasn't been visited by the bird quite some time now, I think the last time is about six months ago. I really don't know why it just stopped. Mybe she doesn't remember it when she wakes up or she just told it to go away. I did explain to her that she is in control and if she does'nt want to go with it just tell it to leave. Most of the time she really enjoyed being with the bird.
At this moment she is into her "past life". Talks alot about it, you can take a look here
http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=18757
Thank you for all your replys
love debby

[Debby]

Hi there,

What a worrisome thing you are dealing with my dear, but the best way forward is to keep your head and be relaxed with your daughter. The very first thing I thought of is this 'green bird' myth. Which prevades all sorts of cultures and I even heard the American Gnostic Templars refer to it in a huge way (for some reason their site won't open for me at the moment)

http://www.yeziditruth.org/the_peacock_angel

This will give you some information, of course with all things there is a duality, the green bird can also be referred to as the green dragon and take on a different feeling if you catch my drift. If your daughter is able to match the bird to a colour that would be helpful.

Its could always be the famous blue bird of happiness, don't think it hurts though. As the others all wisely said, tell her for certain that she can say NO I DONT LIKE THAT.

please let us know if she tells you anything more.

The bird is green and black. And is bigger than her.I never heard of the 'green bird' myth.Green is a color that she also mentions in her past life. She tells me she is from the green planet( take a look http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=18757).
What do mean that the green dragon can take on a differnet feeling?
Love debby

[Debby]

hi debby ...

your daughter is very lucky to have you as her mom ... but then again ... she did pick you didn't she ... :wub2:

you wrote she said the bird is more like an eagle ... so it is of a larger type i presume ...

i'm just curious ... what color is it mostly ... primarily its head ...

with love ...

:wub2:


Yes she picked me( I wonder why hahaha)

The bird was bigger than her and it was green and black

Love debby

[Harper]

Hello Debby,

Yes I read the other posting first in fact but didn't know it was you who had posted that also. What I mean by a different feeling is that depending on how you look at the world an angel could be a wonderful emmissary of love or a destroyer. Do you follow? The same creature in different myths or culture is viewed slightly differently.

In the green bird myth for instance, St George is the green bird who slays the evil dragon and in another myth the green bird is the dragon. Do scroll down on that page I sent you to hear all the different religions take on it. Mainly a very positive creature of light but there are cases where it is a figure of fear.

I read you other posting because I had similar experiences myself as a child; I always wanted to go home and used to say requently that 'I didn't understand why we kept coming back to this place to do the same things over and over again'. My relations who were more interested in such things said I also said, 'why do all the rockets go up in space, why don't any of them go down, they are not finding anyone UP there but there are loads of things DOWN here'.

Anyway it intrigued me no end to hear of your daughters tales of the green planet.

[futureyes]

hi debby ...

a few nights ago ... this is what i received ... and conveyance to tell you ...

indeed ... the bird is as big if not larger than your daughter ...
bit scraggly ... not at all perfect ...
pure ... whole and playful ...

the little girl ... was playing with it ... was lying upside down on her as she sat ... her fingers playing with its neck and head feathers ... giggling ... bite it did not ... didn't have that capability ...

girl and bird ... within a very large cage ... bars ...
the girl ... here to assist the bird ... to its freedom ...
the bird ... looks to her ... for her help ... the time has come for it to fly ...
fly to freedom ...

the small girl continues playing with it ... nurturing it ... i felt it as if i was her ... that oneness with the bird ...

the bird ... representative of humanity ... freedom for all ...

the girl ... as a crystalline herself ... can assist ... from both worlds ...
purpose ... so many like her are here now ...

to free the bird ... to free humanity ...

and yet ... there are always obstacles ... inserting theirselves ... in this world and others ... to keep the bird from its freedom ... to keep humanity caged ...

and my own speculation ... the marks stem from another ... obstacle ...

this is all i have at this end ... after which ... it was conveyed to me ... to tell you ...
and you ... to discern ... as we always should ... for ourselves ...

all in all ... it was a very profound experience to have witnessed ... felt ...
humbling and moving ...

freedom for all ...

blessings ...

:wub2:

[Debby]

hi debby ...

a few nights ago ... this is what i received ... and conveyance to tell you ...

indeed ... the bird is as big if not larger than your daughter ...
bit scraggly ... not at all perfect ...
pure ... whole and playful ...

the little girl ... was playing with it ... was lying upside down on her as she sat ... her fingers playing with its neck and head feathers ... giggling ... bite it did not ... didn't have that capability ...

girl and bird ... within a very large cage ... bars ...
the girl ... here to assist the bird ... to its freedom ...
the bird ... looks to her ... for her help ... the time has come for it to fly ...
fly to freedom ...

the small girl continues playing with it ... nurturing it ... i felt it as if i was her ... that oneness with the bird ...

the bird ... representative of humanity ... freedom for all ...

the girl ... as a crystalline herself ... can assist ... from both worlds ...
purpose ... so many like her are here now ...

to free the bird ... to free humanity ...

and yet ... there are always obstacles ... inserting theirselves ... in this world and others ... to keep the bird from its freedom ... to keep humanity caged ...

and my own speculation ... the marks stem from another ... obstacle ...

this is all i have at this end ... after which ... it was conveyed to me ... to tell you ...
and you ... to discern ... as we always should ... for ourselves ...

all in all ... it was a very profound experience to have witnessed ... felt ...
humbling and moving ...

freedom for all ...

blessings ...

:wub2:



Hi Futureeyes,

WOW...this is so beautifull and strong , it brought tears to my eyes. I am speechless. When reading this, it was as if I could see it like a movie. It feels right, it feels good.
A big smile on my face when you mentioned the giggling part.So often did we hear her giggling and talking in her room!!
I guess I now know why she hasn't seen the bird anymore. She set him/her free!!! Wow what wonderful. Thank you very much for sharing this with me. May I ask why you recieved this information for me?
If you recieve more I would be grateful to hear it.

Love debby

[Debby]

Hello Debby,

Yes I read the other posting first in fact but didn't know it was you who had posted that also. What I mean by a different feeling is that depending on how you look at the world an angel could be a wonderful emmissary of love or a destroyer. Do you follow? The same creature in different myths or culture is viewed slightly differently.

In the green bird myth for instance, St George is the green bird who slays the evil dragon and in another myth the green bird is the dragon. Do scroll down on that page I sent you to hear all the different religions take on it. Mainly a very positive creature of light but there are cases where it is a figure of fear.

I read you other posting because I had similar experiences myself as a child; I always wanted to go home and used to say requently that 'I didn't understand why we kept coming back to this place to do the same things over and over again'. My relations who were more interested in such things said I also said, 'why do all the rockets go up in space, why don't any of them go down, they are not finding anyone UP there but there are loads of things DOWN here'.

Anyway it intrigued me no end to hear of your daughters tales of the green planet.

Hi harper,
Thank you for explaining this to me. I read the link you gave,intresting. Especially the name 'Azra'il. My father told me as a child that she was an angel watching over us. I never came across this name before till now. This is so weird...


Love debby

[cloud9]

Dear Debby:
Mrs. Dolores Cannon says in her books that many times ET encounters are preceded by what people describe as an owl, usually big and beautiful but it's not the only animal used for them, the point it to not scare the person.
Having said that, I think we are sooo afraid of these encounters, most of the people see them as negative and terrifying but just last night I was reading a thread (I can't find it now), where this person was telling part of his encounters over the years and all I could see was happiness and excitement about it!
After reading all Mrs. Cannon books which are from her work of 30 years, she says she has never ever have found the negativity others do, she explains how those experiences are agreed upon before we come here so I always wonder if there's a chance they could be truly enlightening and wonderful when the fear factor is removed.
Again citing Mrs. Cannon, based on her experience with thousands of people, ETs are basically monitoring us but at the same time they are teaching us too and giving us the chance to see and experience other realities. Who knows, if something like this could be an amazing experience, why we tend to think it's awful? Again, we are always afraid of the unknown.
My only suggestion would be to keep the doors of communication open with your daughter but please don't tell her something that could make her afraid, I think you are handling this very well and you are a very wise mother.

Well, I finally found the link:
http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=18936

[futureyes]

Hi Futureeyes,

WOW...this is so beautifull and strong , it brought tears to my eyes. I am speechless. When reading this, it was as if I could see it like a movie. It feels right, it feels good.
A big smile on my face when you mentioned the giggling part.So often did we hear her giggling and talking in her room!!
I guess I now know why she hasn't seen the bird anymore. She set him/her free!!! Wow what wonderful. Thank you very much for sharing this with me. May I ask why you recieved this information for me?
If you recieve more I would be grateful to hear it.

Love debby

hi debby ...
why did i receive this info for you ... i wish i knew ... i only know ... through very strong conveyance ... within the clarity of that experience ... that it is solidly meant for you to know ... the only thing i can do is follow through ... and in doing so ... that process ... for me ... feels like arriving closer ... to home ...

give her a big hug ... your older gal too ...

if more comes ... you'll be the first to know ... :original:

blessings ...

:wub2:

[Debby]

Dear Debby:
Mrs. Dolores Cannon says in her books that many times ET encounters are preceded by what people describe as an owl, usually big and beautiful but it's not the only animal used for them, the point it to not scare the person.
Having said that, I think we are sooo afraid of these encounters, most of the people see them as negative and terrifying but just last night I was reading a thread (I can't find it now), where this person was telling part of his encounters over the years and all I could see was happiness and excitement about it!
After reading all Mrs. Cannon books which are from her work of 30 years, she says she has never ever have found the negativity others do, she explains how those experiences are agreed upon before we come here so I always wonder if there's a chance they could be truly enlightening and wonderful when the fear factor is removed.
Again citing Mrs. Cannon, based on her experience with thousands of people, ETs are basically monitoring us but at the same time they are teaching us too and giving us the chance to see and experience other realities. Who knows, if something like this could be an amazing experience, why we tend to think it's awful? Again, we are always afraid of the unknown.
My only suggestion would be to keep the doors of communication open with your daughter but please don't tell her something that could make her afraid, I think you are handling this very well and you are a very wise mother.

Well, I finally found the link:
http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=18936
Hi Claud9,
Thank you for your post and information.
I am not afraid and never say anything to frighting my daughter. Except from a few experiences she has always talked very positieve and joyful about her adventures.
Love debby

[Debby]

hi debby ...
why did i receive this info for you ... i wish i knew ... i only know ... through very strong conveyance ... within the clarity of that experience ... that it is solidly meant for you to know ... the only thing i can do is follow through ... and in doing so ... that process ... for me ... feels like arriving closer ... to home ...

give her a big hug ... your older gal too ...

if more comes ... you'll be the first to know ... :original:

blessings ...

:wub2:


Dear futureyes,
A big hug back to you :wub2:

Love debby

[Lost soul]

Debbie,

Why not ask your daughter to draw a picture of the bird?