david wilcock

[sunshineseastar]

mr. david wilcock pretends to have it all figured out....... i was a bg fan of his work. but now and i quote " Although I was vegan / vegetarian for seven years I do now use animal protein — predominantly because I work so much and run my body so hard that I rapidly get weak without it." and this brother has traded fruit for animals.......read all about it here:

http://divinecosmos.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=415&Itemid=70

this is just not a true statement......the human bod does not need animals to stay strong....as a matter of fact eating animals lowers your vibration......sure it´s a differant situation for free range meat but imagine where the meat is comming from on this cruise ship.....if he doesn´t know this simple fact i don´t have much faith in him havin as much info as he claims..... this the same dude who preaches about service to self not being cool.......but if you check out this brothers web site it´s all me me me....look at me........

doese this brother care for the eco system.......i think not......now that he´s on his big fat cruise.......

gosh even this guy has crossed over to the dark side........the side of the elitists......maybe he started out with good intentions but man the dude has lost sight of the shore.....big time.......please read this link and give some feed back..........this is my gut feeling.......

[jaby]

Honestly....? I think you have joined this forum specifically to try to discredit David Wilcock and put people off him....

Oh, and to cause division.

Nice try.....:thumbdown:

(not)


edit...just seen that you joined in October..this is your second post. But I stand by what I've said above in regards to motive....

[Helvetic]

Let him eat what he wants, free will, peace! :wink2:

[sunshineseastar]

Honestly....? I think you have joined this forum specifically to try to discredit David Wilcock and put people off him....

Oh, and to cause division.

Nice try.....:thumbdown:

(not)


edit...just seen that you joined in October..this is your second post. But I stand by what I've said above in regards to motive....
and did you even check this out ???? i s a big fan f hi .......but hnestly i thing at this point hes rapped up in self service....... just take a look......
peace

[GregorArturo]

I've thoroughly enjoyed DW's work however as of recently I have not liked his most recent posts. Something is astray with him in my opinion. However, I am a professional fire dancer, and when I am in large routines where I have 3500+ calorie diet, I need meat to function as much as I don't really care for it. It has the needed proteins we really need to function at high endurance levels, and I will never take whey protein. Regardless, of all the facts out there, meat gets me by and works much more efficiently when I demand the energy. As I say, it all requires balance in life, including diet.

[jaby]

And what a utterly dis-respectful title you have used for this thread.

I'm hitting the report button, by the way and let the Mods decide what they think about it....

[TruthWillSetUFree]

Thank you Sunshineeastar for bringing our attention to David Wilcox's new blog.

It was wonderful seeing him enjoy himself on the cruise he has been working so hard for.

It does my heart good to see another like-minded soul and teacher being his authentic self. I wish I could have been on the cruise, it looks like fun!

It does not matter what we eat. Everyone is on the same path towards their own transformation, each path is uniquely different according the the lesson's one came to learn.

I would look deeply into your own soul to see why you feel this upset, and the reasons why you would turn on another because of apparent differences between you and David Wilcox.

How you perceive the world is in direct correlation to what is going on inside you.

This is not to make you wrong, you are not, I understand this is your truth as you see it.

This is merely an alternative way to view what is causing you dis-ease within you. This type of perception has more of a chance to bring illness than does eating meat.

I send you the love of understanding and the light of courageous inquiry within you!

*Peace Friend*



mr. david wilcock pretends to have it all figured out....... i was a bg fan of his work. but now and i quote " Although I was vegan / vegetarian for seven years I do now use animal protein — predominantly because I work so much and run my body so hard that I rapidly get weak without it." and this brother has traded fruit for animals.......read all about it here:

http://divinecosmos.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=415&Itemid=70

this is just not a true statement......the human bod does not need animals to stay strong....as a matter of fact eating animals lowers your vibration......sure it´s a differant situation for free range meat but imagine where the meat is comming from on this cruise ship.....if he doesn´t know this simple fact i don´t have much faith in him havin as much info as he claims..... this the same dude who preaches about service to self not being cool.......but if you check out this brothers web site it´s all me me me....look at me........

doese this brother care for the eco system.......i think not......now that he´s on his big fat cruise.......

gosh even this guy has crossed over to the dark side........the side of the elitists......maybe he started out with good intentions but man the dude has lost sight of the shore.....big time.......please read this link and give some feed back..........this is my gut feeling.......

[sunshineseastar]

wow like your going to push the button and report me ??? grow up......and don´t be a sheeple......think for yourself instead of tryin to silence me.....people have a right to see this thread and think for them selves....oh and you still did not answer my question.....DID YOU READ THE PAGE ????

[Orion Morris]

We shouldnt worry about people who do not believe every piece of Avalon or Camelot... Just because somebody doesnt trust Wilcock doesnt mean it has to be reported... IMO The people who are supporting Obama are more off base then someone who is disscerning from Wilcock.... It is better to question everything then it is to support something just because.....

[jaby]

Yes I am reporting your opening post...the Mods can decide if it is OK or not. David Wilcock does not deserve what you are chucking at him. IMO....and this forum does not need a dis-respectful thread title like the one you have used.....especially as David has done such a lot for people in general and Project Camelot in particular.

[sunshineseastar]

okay so you can play police officer!!!!!!!
way to go...........oh and did you read what i was talking about.....

[Ali Quadir]

Ow come on, because someone eats meat he is wrapped up in service to self? That's nonsense and I hope I don't have to spell out to you why...

Please also note that the man said he uses animal protein. Not that he now eats meat which is your assumption. Quite likely this means he drinks milk or eats cheese and or eggs.

I think this thread should be deleted. A thread I open just to bash on you would be closed and removed aswell... Rightly so I might add.

[Orion Morris]

By censoring different ideas you are becoming and acting like the same evil that supresses us...

[sunshineseastar]

and the reason this bothers me it because inocent animals live in really bad conditions before they get sloughtered.....they have no freewill at all....yet do they not have souls to??? hummans are not better just different......!!!!! everything deserves to live in harmony with the earth......

[jaby]

Yeah..sure...

It's not up to me...it's up to the Mods and Administrators as to what they want to do with a thread like this....just making sure they take a look.

[AndyH]

I can't say as I care much for (imho) stuff about jump gates or aliens or much of what DW talks about.

However, I also don't care much for people who make blind statements and expect others to take it as fact.

We as a species have been omnivores since time immemorial, the only difference nowdays being all this processed **** we call food...be it animal or vegetable based.

You can't be sure of the quality of anything you eat unless you either hunt it yourself or grow it yourself.

As for DW, I really couldn't care either way. The Camelot Project is all about individual witness statements and as such none of it can be proven.

[Seeker Mom]

We shouldnt worry about people who do not believe every piece of Avalon or Camelot... Just because somebody doesnt trust Wilcock doesnt mean it has to be reported... IMO The people who are supporting Obama are more off base then someone who is disscerning from Wilcock.... It is better to question everything then it is to support something just because.....

David is a big supporter of Obama's. That bothers me a whole lot more than his eating meat to strengthen his body. :naughty:

Oh, and the cruise looks like tons of fun. That is the next itinerary I plan to take. I'd love to take a cruise with some great speakers for the days at sea. I hope David continues to have a restful week.

[msv]

Meat is very grounding and at times it is necessary to use it for that. We need to stay planted on earth and this works.

[371]

and the reason this bothers me it because inocent animals live in really bad conditions before they get sloughtered.....they have no freewill at all....yet do they not have souls to??? hummans are not better just different......!!!!! everything deserves to live in harmony with the earth......

If you're gonna debate the 'morality' or whatever about eating meat that's one thing- but don't bust the guy's balls for what he does in his own life.

[GoingToFast]

And what a utterly dis-respectful title you have used for this thread.

I'm hitting the report button, by the way and let the Mods decide what they think about it....


With all due respect jaby, this gives me a very bad feeling there is no reason to report this thread. This gives me an East-German Stasi-feeling.

[sunshineseastar]

yet animals have souls to??? hummans are not better just different......!!!!! would you go around eating humans to ground yourself ?????
and we humans were not always omnivors.... we were fruitarians !!!!!!!!! look at your digestive system .....

[Orion Morris]

I agree Seeker.... It is very bothering that he supports Obama... I have no hard feelings towards David... I think he says some really great stuff... I could care less if he eats meat... looks like he could use some actually... Hell I wouldnt mind going on that cruse..

Either way... This thread shouldnt be edited.... Censorship is a tool of the ignorant and afraid.... It is the same force that has kept information like Davids out of the public for so long.... To censor this thread would damage the integrity of the fourm... Jaby you shouldnt report anything... even if you do the mods will probably not do anything.



David is a big supporter of Obama's. That bothers me a whole lot more than his eating meat to strengthen his body. :naughty:

Oh, and the cruise looks like tons of fun. That is the next itinerary I plan to take. I'd love to take a cruise with some great speakers for the days at sea. I hope David continues to have a restful week.

[motov]

mr. david wilcock pretends to have it all figured out....... i was a bg fan of his work. but now and i quote " Although I was vegan / vegetarian for seven years I do now use animal protein — predominantly because I work so much and run my body so hard that I rapidly get weak without it." and this brother has traded fruit for animals.......read all about it here:

http://divinecosmos.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=415&Itemid=70

this is just not a true statement......the human bod does not need animals to stay strong....as a matter of fact eating animals lowers your vibration......sure it´s a differant situation for free range meat but imagine where the meat is comming from on this cruise ship.....if he doesn´t know this simple fact i don´t have much faith in him havin as much info as he claims..... this the same dude who preaches about service to self not being cool.......but if you check out this brothers web site it´s all me me me....look at me........

doese this brother care for the eco system.......i think not......now that he´s on his big fat cruise.......

gosh even this guy has crossed over to the dark side........the side of the elitists......maybe he started out with good intentions but man the dude has lost sight of the shore.....big time.......please read this link and give some feed back..........this is my gut feeling.......

ill give you a advice, don`t point your finger before you have study your self in the mirror for a long time.... take it from one whom have don that way to many times over "i think i know more then you" behavior.... i have posted stuff that "debunk" other but rely didnt, actually just make an ass of my self, and spread negativity and unproductive thoughts....

unified share of serious information and unified problem solving is much more productive....

cheers....:cup:

[jaby]

With all due respect jaby, this gives me a very bad feeling there is no reason to report this thread. This gives me an East-German Stasi-feeling.



And this thread gives ME a 'watch out for the 'spooks' feeling'....:original:

Am I right? Am I wrong?

Just calling the thread..'Poor lttle david wilcock' is out-of-order. IMO.

[Harper]

Right now at this moment in time it does not matter what you eat. In ancient times there was an understanding between hunter and animal but we don't have a clue now about this sort of thing anymore.

It only matters what you think about what you eat. Animals are birthed on this earth and go back to a single consciousness, this does not mean that you should be cruel or disrespectful to them but we have been eating meat for so long now that it could be by the same logic -actually bad for you to give it up. I know myself I had to go back to eating meat as I turned into an envelope, just when I cut out red meat.

I'm not standing up for David either as I do not think he has a good hold of the nature of things at the moment.

But both of you exchanging threats now is just silly.

BTW if you ever saw the experiments done in the 70's by a botenist about the "witness plants" we would be left eating nothing at all. And don't come back and tell me about fruit, fruit contains the babies of other plants, everything including stones has consciousness, who is anyone to say that an apple might not want the experience of being eaten?

[Orion Morris]

censorship... nice... use the same energy to supress ourselves that is being used to supress everything else.... how do you justify this? If it is ok to bash Bush or Obama then it should be ok to bash Wilcock... WTF... If it bothers somebody that much they should have the energy to let it pass by.... I am sure we are all going to experience something more offensive then a "poor david wilcock" thread.

[Steve_G]

Greetings all

We're going to change the title of the thread as it does seem harsh, but the posts and opinions are perfectly acceptable. However please don't let the thread degenerate into personal attacks on one another, as that definitely IS divisive.

Please show everyone the respect you would wish to be treated with. Thank you for your consideration.

Steve G

[eaglespirit]

WE DO NOT DO POINTING HERE! GET IT?!

"I'M MAD AS HELL AND I'M NOT GOING TO TAKE IT ANYMORE!!!"

Make a point but do not point!

Be a vegetarian...be good and be!

BUT stop demeaning Others here at this forum!

THAT is what is wrong...simply live right from your own heart and ALL will change to "heart" living around you and begin to spread to your family and your friends and your community and your town and your county and your state and your country and the world...ALL of Mother Earth will join in!

But YOU have to be concerned with YOU first and foremost!

STOP demeaning others...make a point...but STOP pointing!

I Love You! I Love You All!

[franciejones]

I agree with GregorArturo 100%

Also, I think it is important to respect the opinion of the threadstarter. It is important that we do not "attack" people for stating their viewpoint.

It might help some if before you reply to a thread-

Check your motives
Step outside of yourself first..some replies turn into arguments that are not always needed

This is just my opinion of course...

[motov]

censorship... nice... use the same energy to supress ourselves that is being used to supress everything else.... how do you justify this? If it is ok to bash Bush or Obama then it should be ok to bash Wilcock... WTF... If it bothers somebody that much they should have the energy to let it pass by.... I am sure we are all going to experience something more offensive then a "poor david wilcock" thread.

for me it comes to how one can bash David`s information based on hes "taste`s"
its quite odd i think...

[jaby]

doese this brother care for the eco system.......i think not......now that he´s on his big fat cruise.......

gosh even this guy has crossed over to the dark side........the side of the elitists......maybe he started out with good intentions but man the dude has lost sight of the shore.....big time.......please read this link and give some feed back..........this is my gut feeling.......

I see the thread title has been changed. I'm glad.

Now lets shine the spotlight on the above quote...

My 'gut feeling' is that all the above is designed to discredit David and create division....it's a real hatchet job.....:tongue2:

[Orion Morris]

for me it comes to how one can bash David`s information based on hes "taste`s"
its quite odd i think...

I agree with you it is nieve to bash David based on his taste... but the OP is

skeptical because David is suppsed to be on a higher level....

Either way... it is just as wrong to censor something.. and then allow another version of the same thing... we can bash whoever we want to and that is allowed... we bash eachother... I mean f*ck, if we are all one then the same rules should be applied to everybody.....

The title of the OP is not even close to some of the offensive posts....

I am not a fan of Obama or Bush.... but we have had some really angry threads about both of those people.... rightly so IMO... I have nothing against David but I think that the censorship is BS!!!

[Orion Morris]

Well... if that is the case then you were one of the first ones to divide...



I see the thread title has been changed. I'm glad.

Now lets shine the spotlight on the above quote...

My 'gut feeling' is that all the above is designed to discredit David and create division....it's a real hatchet job.....:tongue2:

[motov]

respect yer view there orion...

[Alloura]

What's really going on here????

Sunshineaster it sounds like you are very passionate about animal rights. That's a very positive issue to care about and be involved in. But you would throw DW out over his OWN choice of food??? Did you by chance, have him on a plateau that might have been a bit unrealistic...? DW has changed, evolved - call it what you like - it's what happens to us when we grow. You are free to choose whether or not to follow his reasoning - or not.


As for reporting this thread - don't the mods READ things before they get posted??? If not, maybe they need to start. If so, then the comment was not necessary.

The amazing thing about posting is that once you CHOOSE to put your opinion out there for all to read, you have given everyone else the CHOICE to either respond to your post, or CHOOSE not to. EVERYONE has an opinion about everything - here it's food. Try to base your comments on facts, not opinions. Site your facts - it gives others an option to research if the CHOOSE to.

L&L/S&D
Alloura

[Elephant Man]

ok the thread started with DW. I'm no fan, but judging him for what he eats is judging everyone for what they eat. Eskimos eat raw seal, if they didnt they would have died out aeons ago, not a lot of fruit n veg on greenland. I eat meat and am grateful for my food, I have no probs with vegetarians. I have tried it myself for a year, it didnt do me any good. I feel that judging people for what they eat, drink, smoke or whatever is an attack on a lot of people in here. no-one is perfect and no-one HAS to be. I cut a worm in half today digging a plant up, I said sorry and continued my work grateful for that worm, all the other worms, the insects, the beetles and everything other creature that contributes to paying my wages as a gardener. I had venison for dinner tonight and I was grateful. :original:

[ABHA]

BTW if you ever saw the experiments done in the 70's by a botenist about the "witness plants" we would be left eating nothing at all. And don't come back and tell me about fruit, fruit contains the babies of other plants, everything including stones has consciousness, who is anyone to say that an apple might not want the experience of being eaten?[/QUOTE]

True! well said.. the secret life of plants. :winksmiley02:

[TruthWillSetUFree]

I would like to point something out here.

There is nothing wrong with how everyone feels, they are emotions, tools to be used to "know thyself" .

This thread began with fear. Fear for the animals that are treated poorly, not because of David Wilcox eating meat. When we are in fear, we lash out on others.
Sunshineaster's intention was a noble one. Having compassion for the animals that come here to feed us and the horrible way they are treated is something we should be mindful of.
On the other hand, lashing out at DW is not helping the animals and it is again, separating 'us' as a group.

It is good to see this so we are conscious when it happens.

This is distraction to our real reason for being.

"Straight and Narrow is the path, Waste NO TIME"



Let's not waste our time with situations that do not serve our higher purpose, or use the situation to practice seeing it from your higher self instead of your ego, which usually keeps you stuck in emotions.

This is what we need to detach from, physical experiences that bring down your vibration of love, our true essence.


Every moment teaches us something about ourselves, if we are willing to see.

Love & Light to all the beautiful souls in Avalon

[Orion Morris]

respect yer view there orion...

Thank you:original:

I respect your view as well... and i agree with you.... I just have a problem with the fact that they were so fast to edit the thread title...

[jaby]

Well... if that is the case then you were one of the first ones to divide...

No...I was the first to point out that the motives of the thread starter MAY be suspect. Notice I said 'MAY'.

I wish to passionately defend David Wilcock from what I perceive to be an unwarranted and over-the-top attack.

Actually saying he's gone over to the dark side!! Sheesh. Now THATS what I call divisive. Why shouldn't I go in as heavy as the thread-starter did...?

What's good for the goose is good for the gander.....:lightsabre:

[sunshineseastar]

[QUOTE=Orion Morris;78875]

skeptical because David is suppsed to be on a higher level....



orion... you hit the nail square on the head thanks........

[Orion Morris]

Sorry Jaby you are wrong... you took the opposite view on the subject... which is division in its purest form... I am in the same boat.. we are divided on the issue....

For you to censor any view is counter productive...

If we are going to be allowed to bash anybody for any reason we should be allowed to do it freely... Bash Obama, Bush, Blair, who cares...




No...I was the first to point out that the motives of the thread starter MAY be suspect. Notice I said 'MAY'.

I wish to passionately defend David Wilcock from what I perceive to be an unwarranted and over-the-top attack.

Actually saying he's gone over to the dark side!! Sheesh. Now THATS what I call divisive. Why shouldn't I go in as heavy as the thread-starter did...?

What's good for the goose is good for the gander.....:lightsabre:

[Sarahmay]

Humans are omnivores. Most people, if given the opportunity, will eat meat if it is available. How many "lapsed" vegetarians do you know? I know many.

I do eat mainly free range humanely slaughtered meat, which I select carefully and pay dearly for. And I eat small portions.

This holier than thou stuff about meat eating is out of line.

Please--sunshineseastar--eat whatever you wish but stop policing other people's plates.

[sunshineseastar]

and jaby....i don´t understant why if you are soooooooooo offended you keep reading this thread........what ever happend to "i may not agree with what you say but i will defend your right to say it untill death ?"

[Orion Morris]

humanely slaughtered meat



hahahaha.... kind of an oxymoron there.

Who gives a sh*t what meat we are eating... it is all nasty... the arguement is not about eating your fruits and vegtibles... it was just simple questioning one of the main sources of information here on Avalon....

question everything... right?

[doodah]

We have the teeth of an OMNIVORE, meaning we are designed to eat everything. We have the tearing teeth of meat eaters, as well as the grinding teeth of plant eaters. We can choose, so let David Wilcock choose.

In the meantime, we absolutely do need to protest against our horrendous modern factory farming methods, as well as the development of terminator seeds and GM plants by Monsanto and others.

As someone said, if it's eating consciousness that we are worried about, let's all become breatharians and live off the light of the Sun. That would solve most of the world's problems right there, except maybe in Seattle. :original:

[sunshineseastar]

hahahaha.... kind of an oxymoron there.

Who gives a sh*t what meat we are eating... it is all nasty... the arguement is not about eating your fruits and vegtibles... it was just simple questioning one of the main sources of information here on Avalon....

question everything... right?

again orion morris stated beautifuly..........i may not be the best comunicator but i´m glad you understand my point.......

[Hypnotize]

theres nothing wrong with eating animals, and it does not lower your vibration, it's completly natural, if it wasn't animals wouldn't eat other animals, it's called the food chain. if meat wasn't supposed to be eatin' it would be eatable and tasty and good for you. protioen is nessesary to build muscle. i love meat, i love vegetables too!

[jaby]

For you to censor any view is counter productive...

Well, you don't seem to have any problem with trying to censor MY view?

And defend dis-respectful attacks on David Wilcock.

The tone of this thread was set by the thread-starter, not me.

But...hey....lets just chill out and listen to a song together....:original:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=MJpyskHMwRs

(yes I know, I didn't 'turn the other cheek'...not my style.....:lol3:)

[pineal-pilot-in merkabah]

since this has kinda slid into a meat eating thread i think ill post about me being mainly vegan(apart from accepting dairy food gifts/meals when visiting friends). i wondered about the possible feminising effects of soya?? its a complete protein and therefore it is not essential to eat animals but i sometimes think about what the effects of soya are.. been veggie since 2000 ... not been ill or had a cold ect since as long as i can remember early 2005 last i recall.. i will eat an animal if it gets rough and i have to kill it to eat it.. but i will not eat an animal i have no killed an butchered myself.. oh and i like some of wilcocks stuff.. sounds like he will be taking the chip and eating gmo ectect(obama supporter) he obv has other concerns :)

[pineal-pilot-in merkabah]

theres nothing wrong with eating animals, and it does not lower your vibration, it's completly natural, if it wasn't animals wouldn't eat other animals, it's called the food chain. if meat wasn't supposed to be eatin' it would be eatable and tasty and good for you. protioen is nessesary to build muscle. i love meat, i love vegetables too!yeah i mean we are part of the food chain too and aliens like to eat us.. its gonna be weird not being on the top of the food chain again for a few years ... well maybe there was a point in the early dark age we are in that sabre tooth tigers were eating us too :tongue2:

[Circlewerk]

I spent 11 years as a vegan.
That was 11 years ago.

The ability to detach from labels and beliefs has given me enormous energy.
The energy is as a result of letting go of a desire to be right and the idea that I have to do something in order to become something greater.

I arrived at psychological detachment and the profundity this state allows, through experiencing the contrast of it for a long enough period of time, that all of it, the "this vs.that" mind, became the biggest thing thwarting my ability to feel good, unconditionally.

I have found that appreciating contrast, and not attaching to any of it as truth, has proved most beneficial when it comes to co-existing.

[jaby]

and jaby....i don´t understant why if you are soooooooooo offended you keep reading this thread........what ever happend to "i may not agree with what you say but i will defend your right to say it untill death ?"

I'm not offended......I just didn't/don't think your dis-respect should go unchallenged. You didn't just stick to the meat thing. You made over the top statements about David.

Where is the Love???? :original:

[Orion Morris]

I never reported you to the mod's for stating your opinion....

That is little kid, tell your mommy, ****.....

And like I said before... If we are all one.. then their is no difference in us slamming Obama, or Bush... you cant argue that.... Go call for the censorship of the rest of these threads too... then we will see how far we get




Well, you don't seem to have any problem with trying to censor MY view?

And defend dis-respectful attacks on David Wilcock.

The tone of this thread was set by the thread-starter, not me.

But...hey....lets just chill out and listen to a song together....:original:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=MJpyskHMwRs

(yes I know, I didn't 'turn the other cheek'...not my style.....:lol3:)

[Jack]

Eating meat is simply a personal preference. Your mother eats it, your father eats it, and im pretty sure almost everyone you know has eaten it at some stage. It is a cultural phenomina.

Every single one of us here have personality traits that other people would recognise as 'wrong' or 'unaceptable'. The key here is tolerance.

If you have not noticed David Wilcock is quite a light chap. He needs to eat meat right now, where you and me could get by with just eating fruit. He follows a hectic schedule and is working non stop to bring information to me and you and everyone else. He does not need to do all the research he is doing and post it online for free. He does it out of a respect for his fellow people, and in return the least anyone can do is show him that same respect in return. And not be starting a pitifull argument over the fact that the guy is eating meat. So What.

We all have our 'flaws' , but everyone is perfect.

He's eating meat, not murdering and eating children.

Judge not lest ye be judged yourselves.


[edit] - I would also like to add that it is clear in the terms and conditions of joining Project Avalon that you agree to treat the Whistleblowers with respect. They have done us a great service in coming foreward with their information. Theres nothing that says you cannot discuss any of the whistleblowers, but as for discussing any members of this forum it is expected that you do so with a tone of respect.

[Hypnotize]

yeah i mean we are part of the food chain too and aliens like to eat us.. its gonna be weird not being on the top of the food chain again for a few years ... well maybe there was a point in the early dark age we are in that sabre tooth tigers were eating us too :tongue2:

lol, not if I eat the aliens first! bwa ha ha ha!:naughty:

[Elephant Man]

MacAlien, Burger with Extras (terrestrials) :lightsabre:

[sunshineseastar]

He does not need to do all the research he is doing and post it online for free. He does it out of a respect for his fellow people,



[/I]

oh really ?? how do you know ??? looks like that was true in the past but now ??? come on he loves the spot light..........did you listen to his last phone call on camelot ??? and all his talk on the four part interview about how he knows people in the illuminati and they all laugh at us ......have you heard of mind control ?? well david says it is hard to mind control people.....but it looks prety easy to me......maybe the dude has fallen prey to the wolves .....don´t know but i am questioning .......are you??? we can not just take it all as they spoon feed us.....

[jaby]

I never reported you to the mod's for stating your opinion....

That is little kid, tell your mommy, ****.....

And like I said before... If we are all one.. then their is no difference in us slamming Obama, or Bush... you cant argue that.... Go call for the censorship of the rest of these threads too... then we will see how far we get

Would you have pressed the report button if someone had started a thread entitled...'poor little Orion Morris?' Or would THAT have been ok....?

(just in case no-one knows what we're having a tiff about....this thread was called 'poor little David Wilcock' before it was changed.)

And trying to 'punish' me by making out I'm some kind of censorship-freak is another tactic...

I obviously had a valid point....because the thread title was changed.

And for the record....that is only the third time in 2 years that I have pressed the report button on any forum. And all 3 times was in defence of someone else......but it's certainly got you going...in this thread....so why don't we just let it drop now? Or it could get BORING......:mfr_lol:

[jaby]

and all his talk on the four part interview about how he knows people in the illuminati and they all laugh at us

Again...you are insinuating something that is designed to discredit David Wilcock. He didn't say HE laughed at us. He said THEY laugh at us.

They'd be having a good laugh at this thread anyway....an INSIDE attack!!
All parcelled up as 'free speech'....catch 22....clever.

[jaby]

[edit] - I would also like to add that it is clear in the terms and conditions of joining Project Avalon that you agree to treat the Whistleblowers with respect. They have done us a great service in coming foreward with their information. Theres nothing that says you cannot discuss any of the whistleblowers, but as for discussing any members of this forum it is expected that you do so with a tone of respect.

Thankyou for that.....:thumb_yello:

[sunshineseastar]

Again...you are insinuating something that is designed to discredit David Wilcock. He didn't say HE laughed at us. He said THEY laugh at us.

They'd be having a good laugh at this thread anyway....an INSIDE attack!!
All parcelled up as 'free speech'....catch 22....clever.

stop pooping your panties , wipe your butt.....clean your eyes and ears......read my post again....then listen to the talks for your self.....what in the hell is he doing hanging out with the likes of people that quote laugh at us because we do not understand whats up on the planet ???

[Orion Morris]

Thought you said drop it?

I am not trying to punish you.... I just think that people should be able to have an arguement and different opinions without running off and telling the authority on them.... That is soooo lame




Would you have pressed the report button if someone had started a thread entitled...'poor little Orion Morris?' Or would THAT have been ok....?

(just in case no-one knows what we're having a tiff about....this thread was called 'poor little David Wilcock' before it was changed.)

And trying to 'punish' me by making out I'm some kind of censorship-freak is another tactic...

I obviously had a valid point....because the thread title was changed.

And for the record....that is only the third time in 2 years that I have pressed the report button on any forum. And all 3 times was in defence of someone else......but it's certainly got you going...in this thread....so why don't we just let it drop now? Or it could get BORING......:mfr_lol:

[Dantheman62]

What do we have our teeth for?, sucking down vegetable shakes, no, they are for chewing,grinding,chopping,gnawing,crunching,tearin g,hmmm did I miss any?, leave David Wilcock alone, who cares what anybody eats, and the thread was just fine the way it was too.Like me, Davids a big boy and I'm sure he wouldn't lose any sleep over it and has been called worse things than poor little DW.

[sunshineseastar]

oh and jaby.....i NEVER ever pushed a report button......in my life.... and no matter what you or anyone else could or would say about me i would NEVER REPORT THEM..... STOP POOPIN YOUR PANTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[jaby]

stop pooping your panties , wipe your butt.....clean your eyes and ears......read my post again....then listen to the talks for your self.....what in the hell is he doing hanging out with the likes of people that quote laugh at us because we do not understand whats up on the planet ???

I've listened to the talks twice. A while back....and a couple of weeks ago.

I judge David Wilcock to be a very decent, down to earth man. Who is doing his level best to put information out into the public arena.

Thought you said drop it?

I am not trying to punish you.... I just think that people should be able to have an arguement and different opinions without running off and telling the authority on them.... That is soooo lame

Drop going on about the report button thing.....THATS what I meant.
And to repeat...I must have had a point because the thread title was changed....and....the Mods are 'one of us' part of the 'team'...not the authorities......not the PTB.....lol.

[jaby]

oh and jaby.....i NEVER ever pushed a report button......in my life.... and no matter what you or anyone else could or would say about me i would NEVER REPORT THEM..... STOP POOPIN YOUR PANTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Calm down.......

[ABHA]

since this has kinda slid into a meat eating thread i think ill post about me being mainly vegan(apart from accepting dairy food gifts/meals when visiting friends). i wondered about the possible feminising effects of soya?? its a complete protein and therefore it is not essential to eat animals but i sometimes think about what the effects of soya are.. been veggie since 2000 ... not been ill or had a cold ect since as long as i can remember early 2005 last i recall.. i will eat an animal if it gets rough and i have to kill it to eat it.. but i will not eat an animal i have no killed an butchered myself.. oh and i like some of wilcocks stuff.. sounds like he will be taking the chip and eating gmo ectect(obama supporter) he obv has other concerns :)

If your cautious about soya Pineal-pilot, here's a some reasons why you intuitively suspect it... :mfr_omg:

WWWHHHOOOOPPPSSS!! LOL, Here's the link:

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2008/10/07/the-evidence-against-soy.aspx

[Rebel4Life]

David is a big supporter of Obama's. That bothers me a whole lot more than his eating meat to strengthen his body. :naughty:


oh So he is a supporter of Obama? That makes me realize even more how much of a fake he is tnx for telling me know. :smoke:

[sunshineseastar]

yep... that might be why he gives all or most of his info for free..... everyone knows that in politics it´s always two sides of the same coin.........lol

[Jenny]

http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/announcement.php?f=2


A friendly reminder.

[jaby]

oh So he is a supporter of Obama? That makes me realize even more how much of a fake he is tnx for telling me know. :smoke:

Oh, really..........:original:

Are you saying that everyone who supported Obama is a fake?
Everyone who voted for him?


Martin Luther King Jr. 'I HAVE A DREAM' speech......

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4AItMg70kg (2:18)


Video about the assassination of Martin Luther King......

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=ivrjiQlewk8 (2:16)


President Elect...Barack Obama...
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=fYHYrKDNV50 (2:12)

[777 The Great Work]

The first thing that takes place on the path to truth is to be able to seperate truth from error by using our intuiton. All info should be questioned. Its the light and not the light bearer thats important. Man has looked to other men long enough for answers and always end up feeling betrayed:wall::wall:

[isotelesis]

In terms of diet, it should be tailored to the individual, not one solution works across the board. People's bodies react to food differently. In general you should eat for your health, not your "vibration", ultimately you'll send out better vibes if you live healthy. Some do not need meat at all, good for them, that doesn't make them more spiritual, although eating less meat and more vegetables is healthier. Hitler didn't smoke and was a vegetarian, apparently he lived into his 90s. It is about moderation and respecting animals, the way meat is produced these days is somewhat disturbing, but it is a convenient and efficient source of protein. Turkey is a good compromise, ostrich makes good burgers, salmon every once in a while, I tend to avoid animals with more complex nervous systems, although it depends on the circumstance, even how and why it was killed, buffalo can be a sacred food source to those in certain ecosystems, if time went backward, the animal would thank you for killing it so it could have life, unfortunately many do not respect them in death or life.

[sunshineseastar]

Oh, really..........:original:

Are you saying that everyone who supported Obama is a fake?
Everyone who voted for him?


Martin Luther King Jr. 'I HAVE A DREAM' speech......

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4AItMg70kg (2:18)


Video about the assassination of Martin Luther King......

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=ivrjiQlewk8 (2:16)


President Elect...Barack Obama...
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=fYHYrKDNV50 (2:12)

no i think what is being said is that if david was true he would not jump on any political band wagons because it´s not real...... they all work for the same side.....the side that wants you to be a sheep with your head down eyes and ears closed......gosh your trying to compair apples with oranges.......

[jaby]

no i think what is being said is that if david was true he would not jump on any political band wagons because it´s not real...... they all work for the same side.....the side that wants you to be a sheep with your head down eyes and ears closed......gosh your trying to compair apples with oranges.......

Sooooooo you would rather no-one voted?

Are you suggesting that everyone who voted are SHEEP?

It's funny, but I thought your gripe with David was the meat thing but your remit seems to be expanding by the hour...... :original:

[sunshineseastar]

Sooooooo you would rather no-one voted?

Are you suggesting that everyone who voted are SHEEP?

It's funny, but I thought your gripe with David was the meat thing but your remit seems to be expanding by the hour...... :original:

yes ....that is what i am suggesting......!!!!!! and my gripe with david is not just one reason.....there are several things that are off here......

[pineal-pilot-in merkabah]

i quite like david wilcock as i quite like bill deagle.. both opposing ends of the spectrum so to speak.. i dont hang off their everyword, nor do i blindly take what enyone says for granted without at least a modicum of my own reasearch :) i shall look further into soya protein.. i mean if we all lived like native american peoples then id eat bufallo and bid the animal a safe passage into the spirit world as we took its life.. RESPECT however i cant justify eating meat.
1; factory farming
2;BGH about to be mandatory(codex sept 09)
3;poss cloned meat
4;karma(zero repsect for life due to factory methods)

[nagualton]

sunshineseastar

You're just wasting your energy here. Jump out of this swamp. It's for the believers only. Although this is excellent forum if you want to stalk your own selfimportance, and later recapitulate it.

[Orion Morris]

Jaby you are pushing buttons...
You said to drop in like 5 hours ago....
Follow your own advice.....

I proved you wrong when I you accused sunshine of being a divider....
When you were the first one to divide and you chose the opposite side and you are still there arguing....
You are making redundant points and just discrediting yourself... just drop it...... you obvously have a crush on Mr. Wilcock and that is fine.... but some people think different... nothing you can do about that

[Gilgamesh]

Intent is what it all boils down to.:nono:

[lightwalker]

My 2 cents about food. and David

As we are expanding our consciousness..... So too will the reflections around us expand and in my opinion that includes the food we eat. It is about frequency and you can change the frequency of the food you eat by intention, prayer, gratitude...whatever is your way of doing it. If you feel your food has a "problem" so to speak then clear it.

David has a grand confidence in himself.without any ego (IMO) and if one is insecure in themselves it can come across as him having a big head or arrogant.
He is still learning much, just watch him in this next year as he expands and mirrors back to us that wonderful brightness that he has.

lightwalker

[jaby]

Jaby you are pushing buttons...


:tongue2:


Push the button....
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=A_cB5UNGqVs

PS. Do you have a problem with me expressing myself?
Free speech and all that...:original:
(within forum rules)

[KassandraLoves]

I have no idea why anyone cares what someone eats.

Its not the messenger, by the way, its THE MESSAGE.

Just because "the messenger" doesnt do the things you think they should, You can still take the message that they give and use it. Whether they eat meat on sunday or drive a hyrbid car or choose to be abstinent.

I dont care if Peace is a gift that comes in Satan Wrapping paper with a shiny serpent bow. Peace is Peace. See what Im sayin here???

It doesnt really matter if David Wilcock has to put protien in his body. Everyone is different and maybe it helps him have a bit more energy. Who knows. But the fact of the matter is, that its TRIVIAL. If you feel that you really need the protien then get the dang protien, if you feel that you dont, then dont. To each his own.

Besides, I dont see an "official diet plan for the people of earth" anywhere yet, do you?

I dont have any sort of problems with david wilcock. Hes just a human, just like all of us are. God forbid he changes his mind about something or actually lets his life happen.

[sunshineseastar]

gosh jaby......you really live up to your name.......i hope you can sleep ok tonight.......

[jaby]

I dont have any sort of problems with david wilcock. Hes just a human, just like all of us are. God forbid he changes his mind about something or actually lets his life happen.

Well said......I find him very down to earth. I first saw his 4 part interview on Project Camelot a few months ago...and I was...WOW!

:thumb_yello:

[jaby]

gosh jaby......you really live up to your name.......i hope you can sleep ok tonight.......

And what 'name' is that?

I hope to sleep very well, thankyou.

Relax...it's only a bit of rough and tumble. I couldn't let you get away with being so negative about David. That just wouldn't be right/fair.....:lightsabre:

[GoingToFast]

I do not have a problem with eating meat but I do have a problem with the way we treat animals before we eat them, and that alone is a big reason to become a vegetarian, I haven't made the decision yet but I am considering becoming vegetarian. The way we treat animals that is meant to be food are in some cases appalling.

[SuperManny]

I dont have any sort of problems with david wilcock. Hes just a human, just like all of us are. God forbid he changes his mind about something or actually lets his life happen.
Reminds me of that old Chinese saying, "Wise man changes his mind."

I don't agree with DW on everything either, (like when he said the stock market has bottomed - time will tell) but I fail to see what kind of perverse satisfaction anybody gets from putting him (or anyone else) down, and trying to make people look bad.

I was always told that if you can't say anything nice about somebody, DON'T SAY ANYTHING!

Wouldn't even bother me if our hard-working, under-appreciated mods got a little happier with the 'DELETE' key for all these negative posts! :wink2:[hint, hint]

[taomation]

Personally, I don't trust supposedly spiritual people who talk about compassion and then eat meat. Even if someone thinks they function better on it, it is still a question as to wether you are going to torment and kill an innocent being for your own selfishness or not. Are you being compassionate or not? Do you choose their happiness and well being or your own? And if you choose your own over theirs, then you are probably not all that enlightened.

I also agree that David Wilcox "seems" like he has a very large ego.

But like everyone else on this planet, he's doing the best that he can. Peace...Tao

[Carol]

I would just like to know if the intent of this thread is to trash DW?

I will add this. I ran across DW's website and listened to all of the interviews.. thought he was great and paid good money to see him here during a conference. I got more from his website for free then at the conference paying a small fortune (because it was for two of us for two of his presentations). What we observed is that he did not walk his talk. However, the info that is on his web-site is excellent and well worth the investment in time to pursue.

So in this situation it is best to focus on the message and not the messanger. After all he is still very young and has a long ways to go.

[KassandraLoves]

I think if we are going to have a conversation about " To EAT or NOT to EAT MEAT" Then we should be FAIR by leaving individuals out of it. David Wilcock's just a dude. And Im just some chick. And were all just dudes and chicks that eat what we want or feel we need.

This thread should be split up into two: One about agreeing/disgreeing with David, and another about agreeing/disagreeing with Meat eaters and your opinions about animal slaughter and whatnot....

Theres WAY too much behind the whole vegetarianism thing to all be centered on just dome dude. I think we'd be more constructive with our line of thought here if we seperated the two.

....Just sayin'....

[Anchor]

(non-moderator posting)
mr. david wilcock pretends to have it all figured out....... i was a bg fan of his work. but now and i quote " Although I was vegan / vegetarian for seven years I do now use animal protein — predominantly because I work so much and run my body so hard that I rapidly get weak without it." and this brother has traded fruit for animals..

David Wilcock never set himself up as an example to be followed. I think he would find it strange that as soon as he does something that doesn't vibe with what people imagined his "rules" were that he has somehow betrayed himself, and fallen to the dark side. I think that it is a bit mixed up to say anything like that of a man who basically as STO as they come.

It seems to me that if you have projected some image of how you think that things are onto him, and now he has betrayed that image, he has done you a service as well. The catalyst is now presented to you to work though that part of the illusion in our consensus reality game.

My understanding is that whilst it is absolutely necessary to be a vegetarian at some point along your spiritual path; the main time when it is worth being a vegetarian are those times when you are re-building your body out of finer, high vibration material.

Once you are past that point you can eat what you like. Even low vibe stuff will be transmuted into higher vibration material just by being consumed by one who has attained such a point of evolution. Note: I do not mean to definitively imply that I think David has or has not reached that point. Personally I do think he may well have, but that is just my opinion based on what I read and how I see him behave. I base my opinion on the fact that if he had not, then its strange choice to make for someone in touch with Ra :)

I also believe that at a higher level, animals don't mind being eaten by higher beings and that it is a spiritually significant sacrifice of immense evolutionary benefit to them. If it were otherwise then you would be forced to think that this whole food-chain idea was some huge spiritual mistake here on Earth. Do you think that ?

Fruit is to be eaten so that its seeds can be spread in a free supply of manure, a harmonious act., and I am sure the Apple 'oversoul' enjoys itself being eaten and thus transmuted in harmony. Same for everything up the food chain.

I won't deny that our food-chain is currently badly distorted - especially in the cruel way that many humans deal with animals for food. It is a double whammy for low vibrations content[1].

Do you argue also that the native American Indians, some of the most spiritually advanced beings you can read about in recent history, were wrong in hunting and eating buffalo?

A..
--
Footnote
[1] Incidentally this is why you should consider blessing all your food before you eat it! Use your intent and allow the immense powers of the cosmos to wash away/transmute the vibrations in the food stuff you eat, to make them fit for the intended purpose. The blessing I use is: "Lord, thank you for this food. Please bless it and purify it for its intended purpose". Other blessings are available at a heart shaped store near you.
--

[sunshineseastar]

Personally, I don't trust supposedly spiritual people who talk about compassion and then eat meat. Even if someone thinks they function better on it, it is still a question as to wether you are going to torment and kill an innocent being for your own selfishness or not. Are you being compassionate or not? Do you choose their happiness and well being or your own? And if you choose your own over theirs, then you are probably not all that enlightened.

I also agree that David Wilcox "seems" like he has a very large ego.

Peace...Tao

this says it beautifuly........thanks......i´m not tryin to bash the dude......just point this out......and i feel people SHOULD walk their talk......it´s so easy for anyone to bla bla bla lip service to make it into the spot light i guess....and the dude says he can hardly make ends meet......maybe he should get a clue while he´s on his big fat cruise and think for one minute about all the starving people in the world as he sits down at the dinner table.....lol..

oh and don´t compair wilcock with the native americans.....again it´s like compairin apples and oranges....lol

[Rebel4Life]

Oh, really..........:original:

Are you saying that everyone who supported Obama is a fake?
Everyone who voted for him?


Martin Luther King Jr. 'I HAVE A DREAM' speech......

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4AItMg70kg (2:18)


Video about the assassination of Martin Luther King......

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=ivrjiQlewk8 (2:16)


President Elect...Barack Obama...
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=fYHYrKDNV50 (2:12)

Really? Did you have to go there? MLKJR and Obama Are TWO WAY DIFFERENT PEOPLE. Jesus when are people that don't turn off the television gonna realize why their called tv "programs". To program your mind to think a certain way just the same way you believe in Obama's Change* which there really isn't ;). BTW I am not being negative I am being a realist if you fail to see this then go blind yourself some more in your sea of ignorance.

[jaby]

I would just like to know if the intent of this thread is to trash DW?


This was painfully obvious to me from the onset.

[sunshineseastar]

This was painfully obvious to me

what ??? put a band aid on it..... one more time go listren what the guy says and then look at his actions........then read the other threads on this fourm about him to get other perspectives......gosh the blind leading the blind....

[jaby]

Really? Did you have to go there? MLKJR and Obama Are TWO WAY DIFFERENT PEOPLE. Jesus when are people that don't turn off the television gonna realize why their called tv "programs". To program your mind to think a certain way just the same way you believe in Obama's Change* which there really isn't ;). BTW I am not being negative I am being a realist if you fail to see this then go blind yourself some more in your sea of ignorance.

We all know that political institutions are way from perfect.

We all know that to get where he is Obama knows how to 'play the game'.
Anyone who doesn't 'play the game' isn't going to get very far in politics let alone become the president (elect) of the USA.

Martin Luther King would certainly understand this. In my opinion.

When MLKJ was assassinated there were riots all over America and thousands upon thousands of arrests. This I think is where the problem with Obama lies. Not with him, himself. I feel America has got themselves just about the best president that they could have, in this moment in history and under the circumstances......but if ever anyone wanted to bring the US to it's knees. Assassinating Obama (pray this doesn't happen) would bring civil war and social collapse to the nation....even if it was a temporary state of affairs.

But we go off topic....bashing...I mean...discussing..:original: David Wilcock is the subject of this thread !

Oh, and when someone starts throwing words like 'your sea of ignorance' around (and sheep) then it says more about them than the 'target'...:wink2:

[sunshineseastar]

I got more from his website for free then at the conference paying a small fortune (because it was for two of us for two of his presentations). What we observed is that he did not walk his talk.

a first person encounter........thatnks carol for being so honest.....

[sunshineseastar]

america got the best president they could for the times ??? hello......the guy would say anything to win.....all you have do do is look at every president before him to see that.......gosh he works for them and he puts on a pretty pink dress and you think hes as sweet as a kitten........but when you open the package you´ll find a wolf.......what the amerca needs is the biggest revolution in history.......AMERICA NEEDS TO TAKE ALL THE POWER FROM THE GOVERNMENT AND GIVE IT TO THE PEOPLE.......COME ON POEPLE THE FORCE IS WITH IN YOU..........DON´T BE BLIND LEADING BLIND......and this brings us bak to wilcock......why does this dude have any intrest in obama.....he should be telling the people to take back their power.......

[jaby]

BTW I am not being negative I am being a realist if you fail to see this then go blind yourself some more in your sea of ignorance.

Just noticed that your post has the original thread title...ie 'poor little David Wilcock'...the one that was changed by a MOD. Before you did your post.

What's all that about?


And as I am replying to this post. It is at the top of mine. But I certainly didn't put it there.

edit...just checked on the previous page (4) and the title of the thread is changed for posts 77,78,80,83
as well. Haven't gone any further back than page 4. When I have quoted certain posts. My post also has the original/removed title........like I said. What's all that about?

further edit...this chopping and changing of thread title goes through the whole thread. Would a MOD please look into this....as we seem to have two on-going titles to this thread. The one that was removed/changed and the new one....thanks.

[Operator]

I would just like to know if the intent of this thread is to trash DW?


Hi,

I certainly hope we have the dignity here of not doing that ...
However, I have noticed that David is getting more and more followers sometimes just because "he's positive".
The question here of course is: but is he right ?

I liked his 2012 enigma presentation a lot. However in his later postings I think there are some inconsistencies and
not hard-proven facts that might make one a bit more cautious accepting the material presented.

I can understand that people are looking for positive messages and want to be guided by them. I can even advise to
concentrate on creative and constructive matters.
However do not lower your guards too much and first find out if a (positive) message is true.

As someone mentioned "David is still young" so I hope he will have the wisdom and experience to handle the hype.

Cheers

[Josef Stubler]

Hi Sunshineseaster,

Quick question ---- do you carry a leather wallet and wear leather shoes? Because if you do --- you might want to hold back on the whole eating meat issue until you clear up that little inconsistency ....

[Ali Quadir]

Just calling the thread..'Poor lttle david wilcock' is out-of-order. IMO.

I agree, I also hit the report button around the same time you did... I would have kept my mouth shut about it. But I don't think you deserve all the love handed out to you now....

Reason is that this post was clearly intended as a personal attack on someone who is not present to defend himself, and who also happens to be an avalon VIP... I don't think it is desireable for people to avoid wanting to talk to Bill and Kerry out of fear for these mindless lynch mob responses...


I said it before and I said it again. If you spot inconsistencies in Wilcock (or anyones) material. Point them out in an open discussion. Wilcock follows the scientific model. He adds references to everything. This makes him extremely easy to disprove. He does his best to give you all the required information to prove him wrong. This IS the scientific method. You can check and recheck his material and his sources. Something no one out there (that I know of) does to this level in this area.

So you can use logic and scientific thought to point out where he is wrong. If you are right and he is wrong, then kudo's to you.

If you beging spewing logical fallacies and ad homini attacks then expect to get trashed.... There is NEVER an excuse to attack a person directly if you disagree with their ideas... Explain clearly why you disagree with ideas and do not comment about their personas...

Ad hominem attacks should be interpreted as symptoms of an underdeveloped or highly frustrated speaker who is incapable of formulating his objections properly and thus reverts to primitive poo slinging.


Love and light!
Kissie kissie!
Hug hug!
:mfr_lol:

[sunshineseastar]

Hi Sunshineseaster,

Quick question ---- do you carry a leather wallet and wear leather shoes? Because if you do --- you might want to hold back on the whole eating meat issue until you clear up that little inconsistency ....

no, and by the way i get all my stuff from the second hand shop....nice try though.......thanks for calling......

[sunshineseastar]

I agree, I also hit the report button around the same time you did... I would have kept my mouth shut about it.

So you can use logic and scientific thought to point out where he is wrong. If you are right and he is wrong, then kudo's to you.

primitive poo


Love and light!
Kissie kissie!
Hug hug!
:mfr_lol:

great another poliece officer.....well at least jaby was honest about her botton pushing looks like you prefur the silent root......oh and this is not about right or wrong.....right and wrong are the primitive poo......it´s about compassion or no compassion.....service to self or service to others.....thanks for calling

[MaskMarvl]

Personally, I think this whole thread is ridiculous...

...and by the way, as you can see, when you "reply" to the thread, you can change the subject to whatever you want.

Regarding meat and "compassion": What about "compassion" for plant life? It's been scientifically proven that plants have "feelings" and react to threats and mistreatment.

I agree that it's deplorable the way many animals are treated in todays world. But if you look at the way plants are "also processed" and considering that they too have feelings, it could be debated that they are also being mistreated... especially if they are still "alive" when being eaten.

Anyway, this subject, (like politics and religion), can be an endless debate. I for one eat both meat and vegetables and can't imagine doing without either one of them! :wink2:

[Ali Quadir]

great another poliece officer.....well at least jaby was honest about her botton pushing looks like you prefur the silent root......oh and this is not about right or wrong.....right and wrong are the primitive poo......it´s about compassion or no compassion.....service to self or service to others.....thanks for calling

I have great compassion for victims. Less for instigators. You do not have a RIGHT to my compassion, I give it on my own accord. Wether I follow the service to self or the service to others path it is my will that allows me to choose whom I feel compassion for.

It is not your place to dictate this to me!





You'll call me a fascist I'm sure, but a forum is not a democracy. There are rules to abide by. It was clearly stated in the closed stClair thread that bashing invited guests by Bill and Kerry is specifically against the rules. I happen to agree that this type of behavior is antagonistic. And so I took my responsibility and pushed that button.

Camelot interviewees tend to avoid this place... I understand why...

Let me repeat that I do not think you have to agree with the man. But like I said in the previous post. You can disagree with him constructively as opposed to doing the upset monkey routine.

[symbolon]

everything deserves to live in harmony with the earth......
I can only hope that you apply this sentiment to David Wilcox too....and a very noble sentiment it is!

[Allie]

I hadn't intended to give this thread any more oxygen than is already present.

However, one subject that has emerged from this has interested me....

'Walking the talk'.

I thought - seriously and deeply - about whether anyone truly walks their talk 24/7. When I look with honesty, I'm not sure I do. :original: I know the theory - do I always apply it? I try....I often fail.

It seems easy to expect other people to always walk their talk but in practice, it must be an area for saints :original: Read the life of Gandhi and you'll see how even he struggled most of his life with working out his own understanding and practice of spirituality. :original:

In respect of David - the man put his 'animal protein' bit in black and white for all to see. He didn't hide it and get caught out. There was no secrecy :original:

Give the man a break - he's a human being :original:

[jaby]

I agree, I also hit the report button around the same time you did... I would have kept my mouth shut about it. But I don't think you deserve all the love handed out to you now....


Thanks for your support.....the thing about the report button, is that it is there for all of us to help keep the forum 'clean' The Mods can't be everywhere at once and this forum is huge....I hope I don't have occasion to use it much/again. We'll see...:original:

I posted this little ditty before...but here it is again for me and you to sing-a-long to.....kissie, kissie...:mfr_lol:

Push the button....
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=A_cB5UNGqVs

[Truth voice 2012]

I agree with some points of both sides on this one. Putting a title up like poor little david is unessesary. It could have been worded a little more neutrally. However, even if you did make a sincere logical question about his information, I still think his "followers" would still come straight in to do battle with you. I enjoy Davids work immensly as alot of fits in with the big picture Ive built so far. I do have a doubt though, anyone suggesting I need to look for leadership from anyone else but my "self" I would naturally be cautious of. Besides, for me this is WAAAAYYY bigger than Obama, Hilary, McCain, Palin or any other puppet or low level servant they want to dangle in front of us. This is about a SUPER intelligent faction of ETs that have been in control here for at least 6000 years. Its all in the ancient texts. If Nibiru is real than a possible reason for "Nobody knowing what the hell to do about it" in Nasa or DoD or Mod or the UN is because they are not meant to know what it is. Although Id put money on it that someone in the Vatican knows what it is. For all the lower level PTB know, these ETs will leave em to die beacuse the ETs, on their level of the lie, know that Nibiru is a plannet full of hungry Annunaki are coming to planet-earth-drive-thru to get a load of human burgers. When the planet of crossing comes its known as the harvest. Is this the harvest of humans being eaten or the harvest of the human race ready to cut whats holding them back and going out into the universe? I dont know but what I do know is that any disclosure coming from Obama or any other source i.e. controlled media, etc. will be a controlled disclosure meaning we will be moved to a different level of the pyramid but still very much in the pyramid.

When you narrow it down. This WHOLE thing is about SELF resposnability. Can we behave ourselves or do we need a New World Order to TELL us how to behave?

Good day!

[Accipiter_Phi]

Hmmm.

So, based on SunShineSeaStar's logic, ALL NATIVE AMERICANS and indigenous tribes the world over are Service to Self and of a low vibration?

When David refers to "animal protein," I believe he is referring to cheese, milk, eggs, etc...

He was vegan for so long that he began to fall ill frequently... he increasingly began to look enemic; with dark circles under the eyes... even with the B12. Some people's genetic heritage dictates that an occasional piece of cheese is needed in the body's bio/elctro/chemical mix... this is especially true with the blue eyed fair skinned people.

On another note, when I do yoga, I often loose the urge to judge and condemn others based on my distortions towards what is or isn't deemed acceptable by my mind, body, spirit complex... but thats just me. Everything, everyone in their right place at this moment: No mistakes. IMHO, Meditation could be concordantly employed for best results.

David is upfront and transparent with his entire life. He lets his guard down with his honesty: This takes great courage.

Before we post a negative thread, all of us should look within ourselves to try and find where the anger originates... why are we making THIS issue OUR ISSUE? One usually finds that they are one and the same.



That being said,

I LOVE YOU ALL.

EN LAK'ESH

__________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ ___________________________________

Purify enough
Become ... immerse
BEAUTY
Become it.
The potter becomes his pot.
Embrace the 10,000 beautiful visions.
Become ONE with the universe.
ALL THE ENERGY PASSES THROUGH YOU.
You ARE all the energy.
& it all resides in your heart...
If you can go within to your spiritual heart;
YOUR HRIDIYAM...
You will know that:
YOU ARE HE.

& IT IS FROM THIS PLACE IN OUR HEART CAVE
WHERE WE ARE NOW.
WE WATCH THE ENTIRE DRAMA
THAT IS OUR LIVES...
WE WATCH THE ILLUSION
WITH
UNBEARABLE COMPASSION
-------------- BABA RAM DASS

[Rebel4Life]

We all know that political institutions are way from perfect.

We all know that to get where he is Obama knows how to 'play the game'.
Anyone who doesn't 'play the game' isn't going to get very far in politics let alone become the president (elect) of the USA.

Martin Luther King would certainly understand this. In my opinion.

When MLKJ was assassinated there were riots all over America and thousands upon thousands of arrests. This I think is where the problem with Obama lies. Not with him, himself. I feel America has got themselves just about the best president that they could have, in this moment in history and under the circumstances......but if ever anyone wanted to bring the US to it's knees. Assassinating Obama (pray this doesn't happen) would bring civil war and social collapse to the nation....even if it was a temporary state of affairs.


you're still not thinking mate. :smoke:

[Gilgamesh]

When David refers to "animal protein," I believe he is referring to cheese, milk, eggs, etc...

He was vegan for so long that he began to fall ill frequently... he increasingly began to look enemic; with dark circles under the eyes... even with the B12. Some people's genetic heritage dictates that an occasional piece of cheese is needed in the body's bio/elctro/chemical mix... this is especially true with the blue eyed fair skinned people.

Why not rename this thread yet again to "Cooking 101" or "You are what you eat" Seriously, the world is comming appart at the seems and whe are talking egg and cheese! "Would you like to supersize that order. Sir?" And don't play with your food or I'll report you to the manager:wall:

[Gilgamesh]

The Christians eat their God and drink his blood. How's that for proteins?:winksmiley02:

[lilac]

Blood type diet - look into it. My body does not take well to meat because I am A+. If you are type O, you should eat at least some meat and avoid sugar. I haven't eaten meat for many years, but I make no judgments on those who do. Walk a mile in my shoes:harp:

[Northern Boy]

seems like everyone has there own opinion of this topic and so be it things would go alot better if we just left it at that instead of trying to change this opinion or that opinion ... If David was concerned he would show up and say so