Bug-Out Bags (Survival Backpacks)

[MacGyverCanada]

I've heard the concept of 'bug-out bags' discussed a few times on here, and I'd like to start a practical discussion on what one should have ready to go. There are quite a few factors to consider:

HOW FAR ARE YOU TRAVELLING? - Safety is a relative term, and moving a respectable distance may keep you safe from any immediate dangers. However, the idea here is to survive, and that is a different ball game. You need to find a new home which is near water, has a renewable and accessable food source, and will not be swarmed by the hungry mobs!

HOW STRONG ARE YOU? - You have to be able to carry your pack to your relocation spot. A healthy and somewhat athletic adult should be able to travel 20-30 kilometers (about 13-19 miles) per day on foot fairly comfortably. If you have small children, I know from experience as a camp counselor that kids age 5-10 tend to start complaining after about 4 kilometers. The size of your pack should also be carefully considered. If you need to move fast and far, I wouldn't recommend getting a pack that is larger that 40 litres. My tightly-packed 35 litre backpack feels fairly heavy after a long day of search & rescue operations.

WHAT ARE YOUR RESOURCES? - If you have lots of money to spend on luxuries, such as a $500.00 ultra-light super-compact all-weather tent, then by all means go out and buy that stuff now while it's still available! Even if 2012 is just a fart in the breeze, you'll have all of this cool camping gear to play with in 2013! If you are on a shoestring budget, like me, then take a survival course with a knowledgable outdoorsman and learn what you can from the internet.

FOOD, WATER and SHELTER! - Rule of thumb: "You can survive for 3 weeks without food, 3 days without water, and 3 hours without shelter". This, of course, is dependant upon both you and your environment, but it is a good rule to plan by. These are the heaviest things that you can pack! When you are walking in the summertime with a big pack, you should be drinking 3-6 litres per day. At 2.2 lbs. per litre, you can do the math.

CLOTHING - Never wear cotton!!! I've read a few pieces of 2012 advice that say "wear lightweight cotton". Cotton tends to hold any moisture that it contacts. In hot weather it soaks up sweat, making it very hard for your body to regulate heat (and it just feels totally gross). In cold weather, a little bit of sweat or moisture from the weather will suck the heat from your body. Wet skin loses body heat 25 times faster than dry skin. Wear breathable synthetic fabrics whenever possible. Suddenly, 100% polyester is fashionable again! Also, wear two or three pairs of socks; nothing decreases your mobility like a foot full of blisters!

MY BUG-OUT PACK CONTENTS - My pack list is set up for fast travel over long distances. I can wake up in the middle of the night, grab my pack and run outside in my boxer shorts, and I should be able to survive in ANY weather conditions for several days.

Water - I generally carry about 3 litres (a day's minimum supply), plus a water filter which should keep me hydrated for a few years.
Food - Enough for 2 days of normal, comfortable eating. Lightweight, high-calorie and high-protein! Also, a baggie full of Gatorade!
Shelter - A 7x12 high-strength grommeted tarp that can be a tent and ground pad all at once, and can be used as a carrying litter for injured persons.
Clothing - Very thick polar fleece pants, a hooded polar fleece sweatshirt, lightweight nylon rain gear, hat, gloves, extra socks...
Rope - 50 feet of parachute cord is compact and lightweight for shelter-building. Try to avoid cutting pieces off of the ends!
Fire Bowl - A steel salad bowl that can contain a small fire. This focuses the heat and makes your fire portable! Bring a tin cup to cook food in!
Fire-Building - Matches, lighters, flint... enough to build many fires if necessary!
Toiletries - Toilet paper, deodorant, toothbrush, etc.
Tools - LED dynamo-charged flashlight, multi-tool (Leatherman), combat knife, extra flashlights

[nigel2285]

I've heard the concept of 'bug-out bags' discussed a few times on here, and I'd like to start a practical discussion on what one should have ready to go. There are quite a few factors to consider:

HOW FAR ARE YOU TRAVELLING? - Safety is a relative term, and moving a respectable distance may keep you safe from any immediate dangers. However, the idea here is to survive, and that is a different ball game. You need to find a new home which is near water, has a renewable and accessable food source, and will not be swarmed by the hungry mobs!

HOW STRONG ARE YOU? - You have to be able to carry your pack to your relocation spot. A healthy and somewhat athletic adult should be able to travel 20-30 kilometers (about 13-19 miles) per day on foot fairly comfortably. If you have small children, I know from experience as a camp counselor that kids age 5-10 tend to start complaining after about 4 kilometers. The size of your pack should also be carefully considered. If you need to move fast and far, I wouldn't recommend getting a pack that is larger that 40 litres. My tightly-packed 35 litre backpack feels fairly heavy after a long day of search & rescue operations.

WHAT ARE YOUR RESOURCES? - If you have lots of money to spend on luxuries, such as a $500.00 ultra-light super-compact all-weather tent, then by all means go out and buy that stuff now while it's still available! Even if 2012 is just a fart in the breeze, you'll have all of this cool camping gear to play with in 2013! If you are on a shoestring budget, like me, then take a survival course with a knowledgable outdoorsman and learn what you can from the internet.

FOOD, WATER and SHELTER! - Rule of thumb: "You can survive for 3 weeks without food, 3 days without water, and 3 hours without shelter". This, of course, is dependant upon both you and your environment, but it is a good rule to plan by. These are the heaviest things that you can pack! When you are walking in the summertime with a big pack, you should be drinking 3-6 litres per day. At 2.2 lbs. per litre, you can do the math.

CLOTHING - Never wear cotton!!! I've read a few pieces of 2012 advice that say "wear lightweight cotton". Cotton tends to hold any moisture that it contacts. In hot weather it soaks up sweat, making it very hard for your body to regulate heat (and it just feels totally gross). In cold weather, a little bit of sweat or moisture from the weather will suck the heat from your body. Wet skin loses body heat 25 times faster than dry skin. Wear breathable synthetic fabrics whenever possible. Suddenly, 100% polyester is fashionable again! Also, wear two or three pairs of socks; nothing decreases your mobility like a foot full of blisters!

MY BUG-OUT PACK CONTENTS - My pack list is set up for fast travel over long distances. I can wake up in the middle of the night, grab my pack and run outside in my boxer shorts, and I should be able to survive in ANY weather conditions for several days.

Water - I generally carry about 3 litres (a day's minimum supply), plus a water filter which should keep me hydrated for a few years.
Food - Enough for 2 days of normal, comfortable eating. Lightweight, high-calorie and high-protein! Also, a baggie full of Gatorade!
Shelter - A 7x12 high-strength grommeted tarp that can be a tent and ground pad all at once, and can be used as a carrying litter for injured persons.
Clothing - Very thick polar fleece pants, a hooded polar fleece sweatshirt, lightweight nylon rain gear, hat, gloves, extra socks...
Rope - 50 feet of parachute cord is compact and lightweight for shelter-building. Try to avoid cutting pieces off of the ends!
Fire Bowl - A steel salad bowl that can contain a small fire. This focuses the heat and makes your fire portable! Bring a tin cup to cook food in!
Fire-Building - Matches, lighters, flint... enough to build many fires if necessary!
Toiletries - Toilet paper, deodorant, toothbrush, etc.
Tools - LED dynamo-charged flashlight, multi-tool (Leatherman), combat knife, extra flashlights

pocket size book sas survival guide or food for free may help

[Sol Invictus]

The size of your pack should also be carefully considered. If you need to move fast and far, I wouldn't recommend getting a pack that is larger that 40 litres. My tightly-packed 35 litre backpack feels fairly heavy after a long day of search & rescue operations.





CLOTHING - Never wear cotton!!! I've read a few pieces of 2012 advice that say "wear lightweight cotton". Cotton tends to hold any moisture that it contacts. In hot weather it soaks up sweat, making it very hard for your body to regulate heat (and it just feels totally gross).

MY BUG-OUT PACK CONTENTS - My pack list is set up for fast travel over long distances. I can wake up in the middle of the night, grab my pack and run outside in my boxer shorts, and I should be able to survive in ANY weather conditions for several days.

Water - I generally carry about 3 litres (a day's minimum supply), plus a water filter which should keep me hydrated for a few years.
Food - Enough for 2 days of normal, comfortable eating. Lightweight, high-calorie and high-protein! Also, a baggie full of Gatorade!


Carrying water? why? whats wrong with buying a filter that is attached to a flask and can be filled as needed? carry a litre max per person and then the rest is 'wild water'. Water equals alot of weight and space, and is a burden you don't need.

Food. Your writing like you have no planned area to go to and have not stashed any food in said area. If thats the case, why bother moving from your house? get a map, find a place you want to bug to, get used to the area, the sights, the smells, the sounds and the wild life, and stash you a small cache of food stuffs. Saves you humping alot of food for miles and miles won't it?

Wear cotton in hot climates. Military and civil research in the last 50 years proves that it is THE best temperature regulator in a hot climate bar pure silk. Will provide thousands of links as proof if need be for this. Polar fleece pants and jackets? what ever happend to layering for your exercise levels? on foot these clothes will sweat you up and when static the sweat pool will chill and then kill you. Layering will save you, as you can add / detract as and when needed. Merino wool should not be overlooked as a base layer either - I take a mix - a warmer wool base and a lighter poly prop top - one keeps me warmer when slower, and the other wicks fast for high activity.

My next post will look at your 'kit list'.

[Sol Invictus]

Rope - 50 feet of parachute cord is compact and lightweight for shelter-building. Try to avoid cutting pieces off of the ends!
Fire Bowl - A steel salad bowl that can contain a small fire. This focuses the heat and makes your fire portable! Bring a tin cup to cook food in!
Fire-Building - Matches, lighters, flint... enough to build many fires if necessary!
Toiletries - Toilet paper, deodorant, toothbrush, etc.
Tools - LED dynamo-charged flashlight, multi-tool (Leatherman), combat knife, extra flashlights

para cord is great. But why cannot it be cut? how can you secure a basha without cutting off say 1 meter lengths? Take two 25 meter lots. One for cutting and use, the other as back up.
A steel salad bowel? who ever told you that needs his nuts punting up to his ears. Portable fire? wtf do i want a portable fire for? if on the move is a fire some thing you want to 'carry'? hell no its not. A cooking / boiling tin however is a good idea for obviouse reasons.

Matches, lighters... many fires if necessary? you think after bugging out your going to be going home any time soon? Learn to make a friction bow. problem solved, forever. However, fire steel, magnesium blocks, matches and lighters all have their place. Great for quick moral boosters in the first few days. However, don't think they will last forever.

Deoderant????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????

Think the forest or the bears give a damn what you smell like? uh...nope. What will happen though is that a hunter force will sweep through a forest, smell a tarts boudoir and know your there and hunt you down. Smell like the forest and the forest will smell like you. Toiletries are a HUGE no no. Paper? oh man, guess you never been out in the wilds for more than a month then. Tooth brush? well if you must, then you must, but don't bring mint tooth paste for goodness sake.... bring a neutral smelling neutral tasting paste... if you must.

Tools. I'll say this; who ever gave you that list, go kick them square in the nuts for me, because they are a God damned idiot.

Axe, saw, large knife, small knife. Sharpening stones.

If your not bugging out with those, your half way to dead already.

Add to that list of tools tin snips, a glass cutter and a multi tool like you said. Looking at a wee bit of weight, but remember your not ever coming home again...

Flashlights. l.e.d dynamo is a good solid choice. Anything with batteries thats not a throw away is bad. Batteries will not be available in the boonies.

[Sol Invictus]

Shelter.

A tarp is a great idea. Top marks for carrying one, much more sense than a tent as weight is cut to a bare minimum. I would advise you to start now learning how to build a good solid shelter from your surroundings. Get used to axe and saw work.

A tarp can make a great place for a night or two, but you will need a more permanent shelter for long term. No axe or saw, no home :).

Do carry survival bags with you - I advise a mountain survival bag that has a reflecting inner liner, shoved inside a goretex bivvie bag. These save lives daily, and you will appreciate that extra warmth as your getting your home made. Children will appreciate a place to warm up in as you work away too.

:)

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I am sorry to sound like an ****, or you think 'who the hell is this guy telling me what to do' or 'who is he to rip my thread apart', but trust me when I tell you I am the man who will have a warm shelter, pine needle tea on the boil, nettle and lime leaf salad with fish all nice and cooked ready for me before the end of the second days bugging out. I will also be busy setting my snares to catch me a few rabbits for the pot.

[Sol Invictus]

I strongly advise that you have within your kit enough fishing wire and snare wire for at least 10 traps. Use high strength fishing line and a varied selection of hook sizes - remember that big hooks will catch small AND big fish, where as small hooks will only catch small fish.

I also see that you contained inside your kit no first aid supplies. I suggest you add post haste, as if your never coming home, where are you going to get your medical supplies from? I strongly suggest making a waterproof container kit, one that is tethered to your BOB and will float if dropped into water by accident.

Saws and axes are of your own choice, but I strongly advise to never go out into the wilds without an axe. Shelter building with a 'combat knife' is so painfully slow....

Sorry to hit you with so many negatives, but I am a wee bit unwell and short of patience at the minute, and really just have a desire to see that no harm comes to well meaning people like yourself who have been given some very poor advice.

Sol.

[wolfman]

I strongly advise that you have within your kit enough fishing wire and snare wire for at least 10 traps. Use high strength fishing line and a varied selection of hook sizes - remember that big hooks will catch small AND big fish, where as small hooks will only catch small fish.

I also see that you contained inside your kit no first aid supplies. I suggest you add post haste, as if your never coming home, where are you going to get your medical supplies from? I strongly suggest making a waterproof container kit, one that is tethered to your BOB and will float if dropped into water by accident.

Saws and axes are of your own choice, but I strongly advise to never go out into the wilds without an axe. Shelter building with a 'combat knife' is so painfully slow....

Sorry to hit you with so many negatives, but I am a wee bit unwell and short of patience at the minute, and really just have a desire to see that no harm comes to well meaning people like yourself who have been given some very poor advice.

Sol.

Sol, good advise. a couple of comments from me.

I am not from the US so my conditions are a little different.
> Get a survival book to use as reference.
> GOt a good army buddy - talk and learn from him on the technique of survival
> IF you watch Man Versus WIld on Discovery - this guy is ex-SAS and he really good at survival. Very good pointers!! get his CDs..
> attend a survival training course.
> A light hammock is good
> for energy, I stick to chocolates and biscuits
> Energy Drink - get those in powder form.
> Fire Starters - water proof matchsticks are great.
> BEsides Parachute cords, how about getting those bicycle cords.. extremely useful
> 2 compasses
> Saw/ Knives - short and long
> FIRST AID kit - u going to need this.
> A personal survival kit that is located on you.
> Cyalum sticks - last 6 hours per stick.
> Solid Fuel
> Thermal Blanket (like a large chocolate wrapper)
> Good thick socks and good walking shoes like timberland
> Long cotton pants.
> Long Scarf

some pointers from me.!:lmao:

[burgundia]

everybody get a bike .

[Sol Invictus]

Axe.
Saw.
Fishing line & Fishing hooks.
Snare wire.
Knife.
Water pruification kit.
Water boiling tins.(Kelly Kettle is fab, totaly fab, I advise get one if you can afford it.
Fire starting kit [magnesium block, fire steel, your choice really].
First Aid kit. [Get as much and as good stuff and knowledge as you can]
Shelter bags.
Shelter Tarp.
Para cord.
Elastic bungees.
Compass & maps.
Duct tape roll.
Spare base layer, spare mid layer and if possible a poncho as a spare outer layer.
Gloves, hats, socks, pants... lifes little 'nice things'.

[Sol Invictus]

Please note that i don't include torches ect. There is a reason. If its needing batteries, leave it at home. Your not ever coming back again, so unless its rechargable in the field, leave it. less weight that way.

[Ammit]

Wow Sol

A fello bushcrafter eh. I would add a survival tin, kept on your body at ALL times incase you get seperated from your backpack. Do a search on it and you can either buy one pre made or just make your own to your requirements.

Dont forget spectacles and medication.

Ammit

[David]

A list of items for my bug-out bag. 1 per person. This does not include my tent, sleeping bag and cook ware.

http://beprepared.com/
Order Detail:
Item: IN FM R360 - MAINSTAYT 3,600 Calorie Food Bar - 3
Item: IN WS B500 - Emergency Essentials Inc. 32 oz Blue Polycarbonate Water Bottle - 1
Item: IN CW W110 - 18+ Hour Hand and Body Warmer - 3
Item: IN CW P110 - PVC Poncho w/ Hood - 1
Item: IN CW B090 - Emergency Bag (reflective) - 1
Item: IN CW B100 - Wool Blend Blanket - 1
Item: IN CW B250 - Space® Brand All Weather Blanket - 1
Item: IN CL M400 - Windproof/Waterproof Matches (1 box) - 1
Item: IN CK S170 - Flat-Fold Stove Combo - 1
Item: IN CK S160 - Heat Cell Fuel (1 can) - 1
Item: IN CL C700 - Clear Mist Emergency Candle 100 Hour - 1
Item: IN CU K162 - Polycarbonate Blue Fork - 1
Item: IN CU K182 - Polycarbonate Blue Spoon - 1
Item: IN CU K172 - Polycarbonate Blue Knife - 1
Item: IN CM W400 - 5-in-1 Survival Whistle - 1
Item: IN CL S107 - LIGHTSTICK 6" Inch White - 8-hour - 3
Item: IN CL F412 - High Uinta GearT Endurance Headlamp - 1
Item: IN CL F280 - Ever-On2 LED Shaker Flashlight - 1
Item: IN CA L011 - SunX SPF 30+ Towelette - 2
Item: IN CA L006 - NoBuzzZone Bug Repellent - 2
Item: IN CA L016 - Katadyn Klean Foaming Hand Sanitizer - 1
Item: IN MF T101 - Iosat Potassium Iodide Tablets - 1
Item: IN WP T200 - Potable Aqua and Neutralizer - 1
Item: IN ZA B100 - 5-Gallon Mylar Water Bag - 1
Item: IN CU R250 - Emergency Rope - 1
Item: IN CU T200 - High Uinta GearT Multi-Function Tool - 1
Item: IN CU G100 - 1 Pair Leather Gloves - 1
Item: IN CU S100 - Tri-Fold Foldable Shovel - 1
Item: IN MK S100 - Sewing Kit - 1
Item: IN CH S600 - Family Sanitation Kit - 1
Item: IN WP S800 - ASAPT Colloidal Silver Solution 8 oz. - 1
Item: IN WS P101 - Mainstay Water Pouches (1 Pouch 4.2 ounce) - 12

[Ammit]

Sorry, leather gloves?

Why, wooly ones if wet dry quickly, leather ones dont

[David]

If your worried about wet leather gloves, the rest of your body may be soaked as well. Time to start a fire and get dry.

[Frank69]

Wow Sol

A fello bushcrafter eh. I would add a survival tin, kept on your body at ALL times incase you get seperated from your backpack. Do a search on it and you can either buy one pre made or just make your own to your requirements.

Dont forget spectacles and medication.

Ammit

My surival tin is a standard size soup or beans tin. With a resealable plastic lid that the kind customer service of a catfood company sent me. Before you tape the lid shut, is best to apply sillicon kit paste to make it waterproof. The tin itself can be used as cooking pan or cup. Any gaps between the goodies I filled up with unboiled rice for a nice porridge - so don't forget a stock cube.

[Sol Invictus]

If your worried about wet leather gloves, the rest of your body may be soaked as well. Time to start a fire and get dry.

Gloves.

Leather are good for mild to moderate cold that is dry. They are also very durable and will last a good 20 years if a good decent pair.

However.

They suck in the wet and the snow and will cause cold injuries to occour rapidly.

Wollen gloves. Good for mild to moderate dry cold. They don't last long and suck in the wind.

Goretex.

Great, warm, dry, but fragile. Best left for wet winters where hands are not going to be used alot in rough jobs. Think of as more of a static protection than on the move on the work trail tools.

All in all, gloves are a personal choice, but, they are all at their limitations in a stressed environment.

My advice? take three pairs.

[Sol Invictus]

Wow Sol

A fello bushcrafter eh. I would add a survival tin, kept on your body at ALL times incase you get seperated from your backpack. Do a search on it and you can either buy one pre made or just make your own to your requirements.

Dont forget spectacles and medication.

Ammit

Rides at all times in my chest rig. Never parted from it, period.

[David]

Gloves.

Leather are good for mild to moderate cold that is dry. They are also very durable and will last a good 20 years if a good decent pair.

However.

They suck in the wet and the snow and will cause cold injuries to occour rapidly.

Wollen gloves. Good for mild to moderate dry cold. They don't last long and suck in the wind.

Goretex.

Great, warm, dry, but fragile. Best left for wet winters where hands are not going to be used alot in rough jobs. Think of as more of a static protection than on the move on the work trail tools.

All in all, gloves are a personal choice, but, they are all at their limitations in a stressed environment.

My advice? take three pairs.

Excellent break down. I usually use gortex for hunting and leather for working. At the time of purchase, I was trying to keep cost down and find a happy medium between the two. Purchasing a set of everything on the list for 3 people kind of got expensive and had to make some sacrifices.

[Sol Invictus]

Excellent break down. I usually use gortex for hunting and leather for working. At the time of purchase, I was trying to keep cost down and find a happy medium between the two. Purchasing a set of everything on the list for 3 people kind of got expensive and had to make some sacrifices.

Well if I have to choose, the wooly gloves are binned first as they are the worst of the three in my opinion as their uses are very limited.

If I had to go less expensive, I would buy a pair of riggers gloves / ranchers gloves and a set of goretex winter gloves. Riggers are great all rounders for working in all weathers, and will dry in front of the fire in the evening. A plus is that you can add a poly pro liner to up the warmth ratio of the rigger for use into late autum.

[MacGyverCanada]

OK a lot of points to answer here:

Carrying water: A litre of water is about a 2-hour supply if you're hiking lightly in temperate weather. 3 litres is enough to get by one 8-hour day of hiking, as long as there is a replenishing water source at your destination or along the way. A water filter is no good if there's no water to filter!

Food: Same deal. A 2-day supply of food could be a half-dozen Powerbars.

Clothing: Agreed, but it's hot and dry climates where cotton works, because it won't store body moisture. Agreed with the importance of layering; my cold-weather layering consists of one synthetic t-shirt, one fleece-lined synth t-shirt one zip-up fleece hooded sweater and my heavy raingear on top, plus synthetic shorts, side-zip fleece pants and breathable rain pants on top. It all zips open to regulate heat.

Rope: It's nice to keep a long length of rope for many reasons; hanging food in a tree, weaving carrying slings and rescue slings, long lashings to secure objects... I'm not saying that you should never cut the riope, but while it is easy to cut a rope, it is much more difficult to make a long rope from short pieces.

Portable fire: Build your shelter, cook your food over the fire bowl, and before sleeping bring the bowl full of coals near your head to keep yourself a bit warmer. Also nice if you accidentally light some grass on fire; you can pick up and preserve your fire before dousing the unwanted flames. The bowl also reflects a great deal of heat, making boiling times shorter.

Fire: A book of paper matches won't last long in the hands of someone inexperienced in fire lighting. They'll likely use most of the book to light their first fire. Making a fire bow is a great skill to have for emergencies, but have you ever tried to build and use one in the rain?

Deodorant: Wiping your butt isn't necessary either, but it sure is nice.

Tools: Axe, saw and multiple knives are great additions. Actually, I think tools are incredibly valuable in a survival situation. They do weigh quite a lot, as you said Sol, so that's why I went with a multitool, which contains all of the following: saw, screwdrivers, knife, pliers, hex drivers, can opener, wire strippers, etc. While none are ideal tools, they'll do in a pinch.

Flashlight: A dynamo or shake light is essential. Even in a highly efficient LED flashlight, the batteries won't last more than a few nights, and batteries are heavy. However, carrying a small battery-powered high-intensity LED light is nice, because most of those dynamo or shake lights are fairly weak.

Survival bag: Great idea, how much do they cost?

Snares: Definitely something I overlooked. I've never been taught how to use them so I've been reading up on some simple ones.

First Aid: Neglected to mention, sorry. I do carry a first aid kit, containing only items that I am comfortable using. That list keeps getting longer as I do more exercises with SAR; education is more important than a kit.

Survival Book: Nice, there are some good pocket ones out there.

Energy Drink: I have Gatorade powder in the survival kit and Jello powder in the first aid kit. Jello has a tiny bit of protein, and it's a really powerful ally in combating the progression of hypothermia.

Bicycle Cords: You mean bungees? They're a little dangerous, it's not really worth the risk, however minor, to have a big hook on an elastic.

2 Compasses: Good call, I need to get a backup.

Personal Survival Kit: What's contained in a USAF ejection seat survival kit?

Cyalum Sticks: Hardcore glow sticks. A small flashlight with batteries lasts just as long for the same weight, and there's a chance you could use it again.

Solid Fuel: Sure, if you want the weight. Those little burners used for chafing dishes work well!

Thermal Blanket: in the first aid kit!

Duct tape: I carry a stick with medical, reflective, and duct tapes wrapped around it. Saves on space and packaging materials.

Whistle: Fox 40 Classic, pealess signalling whistle

Gloves: I have a base layer of a cheap $1 pair of acryllic gloves, followed by a pair of thin high-grip Kevlar work gloves, all inside a heavy nylon-shelled overmitten.



Thanks for the input, it's good to see that some other people are interested in the topic!
Hey, it's good to see a fellow fencer, David!

[Sol Invictus]

Carrying water: A litre of water is about a 2-hour supply if you're hiking lightly in temperate weather. 3 litres is enough to get by one 8-hour day of hiking, as long as there is a replenishing water source at your destination or along the way. A water filter is no good if there's no water to filter!


Bugging out to a location with no water? errrr..... you wouldn't really do that would you? really?


Food: Same deal. A 2-day supply of food could be a half-dozen Powerbars.


Agreed.


Rope: It's nice to keep a long length of rope for many reasons; hanging food in a tree, weaving carrying slings and rescue slings, long lashings to secure objects... I'm not saying that you should never cut the riope, but while it is easy to cut a rope, it is much more difficult to make a long rope from short pieces.


My bad, I read it as not cutting paracord, not rope. Sorry for the misunderstanding.


Portable fire: Build your shelter, cook your food over the fire bowl, and before sleeping bring the bowl full of coals near your head to keep yourself a bit warmer.


A Mr B# died doing this very thing. Rolled over in the night and died of hot coal inhalation. I'll pass on that one cheers.


Fire: A book of paper matches won't last long in the hands of someone inexperienced in fire lighting. They'll likely use most of the book to light their first fire. Making a fire bow is a great skill to have for emergencies, but have you ever tried to build and use one in the rain?


Yes i have built one in the rain, and yes I have used it. I however put up my tarp first to give me an area to work under. :). As a pointer though, I carry a triple redundant fire starting kit to be on the very safe side.


Deodorant: Wiping your butt isn't necessary either, but it sure is nice.


Wrong. Deoderant is a non-needed luxury. Wiping poo off your body is a cleanliness / disease issue. HUGE difference. But it did make me laugh.


Tools: Axe, saw and multiple knives are great additions. Actually, I think tools are incredibly valuable in a survival situation. They do weigh quite a lot, as you said Sol, so that's why I went with a multitool, which contains all of the following: saw, screwdrivers, knife, pliers, hex drivers, can opener, wire strippers, etc. While none are ideal tools, they'll do in a pinch.


Agreed 100%. Better a multi tool than nothing at all. Tools FTW.


Survival bag: Great idea, how much do they cost?


£4 from millets or any outdoor shop.


Snares: Definitely something I overlooked. I've never been taught how to use them so I've been reading up on some simple ones.


I did a little piece on here about snares and fish traps. Ill link it for you.



as for every thing else, I do agree with you. Education over gear is vital; an absolute total 100% must do. ignorance will kill you in half an hour on a cold snowy winday day in the out doors.

[raulduke]

Good thread Macgyver (and sweet screen name btw).

"Bug out bag":lol3:. That's good, I've never heard that term. I've been refering to my version as my "armageddon bag".

So a couple things i don't think I saw on anyone's lists were:

Portable Sunshower: not much added weight, beats deoderant and is basicly renewable cleanliness.

Survival blankets: The shiny plastic ones. If you're going hypothermic, you can get naked and wrap yourself in these things to raise your bodytemp in a hurry.

And the best one (these things are great):
Fire Piston (http://www.google.com/url?sa=U&start=4&q=http://www.wildersol.com/&ei=4R0tSbnQEYzgMKGs5ZcL&sig2=25Nc-3jsNmvs7BuKCpzP1w&usg=AFQjCNHXVzouKrt5v8fge2p8gJ6KKh0ZYA): Endless firestarter (if you've got just a bit of tinder).
http://www.wildersol.com/Cnv0414_op_800x508.jpg

And about the sleeping next to the fire thing. Yeah it's dangerous, so heat a few rocks in the fire and sleep w/ those around you. Get a few and keep 'em rotating in the fire and next to you.

[eurosceptic]

everybody get a bike .

good idea got a brilliant road bike already - need a more suitable off road version - and a repair kit!:lmfao:

[raulduke]

I just thought of another gadget I didn't notice on anyone's list.

I suppose some may think this is silly but it's in my bag.

Magnesium solar charger (http://www.rei.com/product/760969)

http://media.rei.com/media/c/1468515.jpghttp://media.rei.com/media/w/1468490.jpg

They'll charge literally anything that can be charged via usb and hold the charge for a year. 8 hours of direct sunlight is enough to charge my phone or ipod completely or about two hours of battery on the laptop.
They're kind of expensive ($150. there are cheaper ones, but this one works very well from my experience w/ it), but I think it's worth the extra weight (then again I'm a pretty big guy and I can handle a fairly heavy bag). The device itself is only 6 ounces but w/ my laptop, ipod, cell phone, vid cam, the total extra (electronics) weight is aboout 3 to 4 lbs. That's not bad imo for some potential news of what might be happening that you needed to bug out from. If the networks are still up I can even tether my laptop to my cell to upload a vid or check the news or something.
If it all goes down, then meh, I chuck the phone and I've still got all the good tunes and stuff on my ipod and laptop. If you're buggin' (stressed) out it may be good to chill and listen to some music to get your bearings so to speak. Plus the long nites can get pretty boring if you're flying solo for awhile. So I've even got a few books in the bag too, some survival texts and a few novels. Sh*t I'd like to bring my banjo too, but that would have to be a driving bug out situation and that's a different story all together of course.

[Wormhole]

Great thread. Thanks. I've started lurking more than posting recently. Once in a while I find a pony. This is one.
Peace of Mind,
Wormhole

[Sol Invictus]

I just thought of another gadget I didn't notice on anyone's list.



Magnesium solar charger (http://www.rei.com/product/760969)

http://media.rei.com/media/c/1468515.jpghttp://media.rei.com/media/w/1468490.jpg



You know, a thing comes along once in a while and makes me sit and think. This is one such device. I may have to look into getting one of these, because its given me such a damn weird idea about a lighting system...

Bravo good sir, bravo.

[johnconnor]

Still in the early stages of building my bag. There are a couple of things that have me confused, why pack a whistle and a survival bag to draw attention to yourself, surely escape and evasion is the name of the game? I have seen camoflage survival bags, if only I could find where I put them.:naughty:

[Sol Invictus]

Whistle. Remember your going for months, maybe alot longer. You'll have a way of signalling to others in your group won't you? :)

Survival bags - you may get stuck out in the wilds with no shelter and needs a way to get out the wind and wet. A survival bag will be top notch. Take what ever colour you want... lol my ones olive drab thanks :)

[Ammit]

The smallest I have besides a hiking belt is a other arms bergen.As for water I too would never think of going out for a time without water, I use a 2 ish litre camelback, the way I see it, if it is not raining or there is no dew, or streams and you get thirsty, you are already in the early stages of dehydration, why risk it when tese camelbacks will attach to a rucksack?

[MacGyverCanada]

That fire piston is really neat! How's it work?

The solar charger is pretty cool too. Keep an eye on consumer solar goods over the next while; there are a few new technologies that will be available in the very near future, particularly soft solar panels. You can just roll 'em up and put them in the pack, or sew them into an umbrella. :)

[Sol Invictus]

Air gets very hot when it is compressed under high pressure. A classic example would be the heat that is created when one uses a bicycle pump. But when the air is compressed in a firepiston it is done so quickly and efficiently that it can reach a temperature in excess of 800 degrees Fahrenheit. This is hot enough to ignite the tinder that is placed in the end of the piston which has been hollowed out to accept it.

[Sol Invictus]

I have to say I fully admit to not liking fire pistons.

The process of making char cloth to me is a massive turn off, and find that if it cannot use anything bar one source of material to ignite, I am not interested.

Great if you have an abundant supply of cotton to turn into char, but if not, its no use.

[raulduke]

Here's another description of the concept of a fire piston,

"The primitive Fire Piston operates on the same principle as a diesel engine. When air molecules are rapidly compressed within the cylinder, the temperature of the air becomes hot enough to cause combustion. A single push of the piston ignites tinder placed in the end of the shaft. Since fire pistons create fire through compression, they function even after complete submersion. The fire-piston is capable of creating a live ember in a fraction of a second and open flames in less than 30 seconds, even in windy conditions."


The process of making char cloth to me is a massive turn off, and find that if it cannot use anything bar one source of material to ignite, I am not interested.

Great if you have an abundant supply of cotton to turn into char, but if not, its no use.

Yes charcloth does indeed boost your tinder but it is not entirely necessary. Using just decayed wood in this video (http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q35/FirePiston/?action=view&current=punk.flv) an ember is created.

Like many methods of firestarting, fire pistons are iffy in inclimate weather conditions, but (like someone else in this thread already mentioned) double, triple, quadruple, quintuple... redundant fire starting tools/methods will be helpful and perhaps necessary. I've got all kinds of crazy firestatring aids.
Another cool one I like is my little magnesium flintsick (http://www.rei.com/product/407152). The magneisum can usually still catch a spark in wet condtions (of course you still need some sort of dry tinder).

As I'm sure many in this thread already know, being able to make a fire is one of the most important skills you can posses in a survival situation. The difference btween camp w/ fire and camp w/o fire is like almost like night and day.

Oh yeah, Mac, my little sister is dating a marine (he just got back from Afgahnistan) and I was just talking w/ him tonight about the type a solar panels you mentioned. They have these roll up panles on the roofs their humvees and can even hang smaller ones off the back of their packs if they go on a long foot patrol.

I'd love to know about all the classified gadgets the DOD is sitting on. Maybe some day.:lol3:

[Sol Invictus]

I prefere blast match and wet fire. or just blast match and some wood shavings... or blast match and some cloud moss.

In short, blast match for the win.

[raulduke]

In short, blast match for the win.

Word.

Those are really cool. I've never actually had my hands on one, but they look like they work very well, especially if you've only got one free hand for whatever reason.

I think I heard somewhere that they were developed by a DOD subcontractor.

Those guys have all the best toys.

[Sol Invictus]

I was sold after I tried on in the woods in the pouring rain and freezing cold. Some blast match applied to wet fuel, and bang, instant fire.

Good for 10 thousand uses. I mean, theres 365 days a year..... three fires a day every day is only 1095 uses.

Double it for safety and still...

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=CYRKzdSXH34

That vid got me onto it, brought a few and do not regret it at all.

[Swanny]

Lighters are quite good for lighting fires :)
I do have a sparker thing but also have chucked a few clipper lighters in my bag, much easier to use as long as they are dry. :original:


That Blast Match does look good though

[raulduke]

Lighters are quite good for lighting fires :)


Right. Good thinking.I guess sometimes we can neglect/forget to state what seems obvious. Lighters of course should be a part of your fire starting redundancy tools kit (a good butane windproof one has always been handy for me on my campouts), but I think the idea of a "bugout bag" though is that you may never be able to return, and as such you'll only have what's in your bag. So use your unlimited sources like a fire piston or bow as much as you can before you ever break into the lighters. In a survival situaution, there may be times when you need to make a fire in an extreme hurry, so the longer you can save that lighter fuel, the better.

I thought of another really useful gadget I didn't see anywhere here yet.

No battery no bulb renewable energy flashlites. I've had this one (http://www.appliedinnotech.com/products/clearance/nightstar-rs.php) for a couple years and it still works everytime I shake it.

[capreycorn]

great thread..
don`t have all the stuff mentioned....but a juice press is in my bug out bag..try to figure out for what..:-)
it looks somewhat like this.
http://www.stylecookshop.co.uk/product_images/Medium/KCRICERSS;Warehouse;Warehouse.jpg
do not underestimate the power of a juice press :lightsabre:

i think i just found my wife`s version of a "survival tin":
http://www.theswellelife.com/.a/6a00e54ef16809883300e55416c55f8834-800wi :lol3:

[Sol Invictus]

A juice press?

For the love of all thats good, why?

Your going to worry about your morning cup of orange juice with your toast over the papers?

A juice press.

.................................................. .... a juice press..:jawdrop:

omfg.

A juice press.

[Celtic_Man]

Perhaps someone could recommend a commercially available Bug-out kit to start with? And then add items later.

After doing a search the amount of items needed are quite high and would take a lot of time putting it together.

Some of the 'kits' I looked at seem to be missing some items that survivalist buffs recommend.

--
Keith

[Sol Invictus]

I am in shock.

:jawdrop:


No really I am absolutely being 100% honest with you.

First aid kit.
Water purification.
Fire starting.
Wood cutting tool/work tool/knife.
Personal shelter tarp and bivvie bag.
Fishing / trapping kit.
Navigation kit.
Renewable light source and emergency light source back up.
Clothing.
Food stuffs.
kelly kettle/cooking equipment and a boil cup/tin.
Anything else you consider you will need such as whistle, mirror, luxury items to help you on your journey...

Its able to be put together in a month at most - If you have the money to buy a 'commercial BOB' you have the money to make a much better and low weight BOB your self.

[Humble Janitor]

Wow, lots of great information in here. I'm still overwhelmed by what I'm reading as it sounds like I'd need a backpack with a very decent carrying capacity and all that.

Let me propose a different scenario: What if one could use their car as shelter? The only problem would be gas and the possibility of running out of it. However, if one could convert a car to run on vegetable oil, it could be useful.

Just a thought. Again, I can see cars being an issue in regards to bugging out. I hate camping outside though.

And I agree, sol, on making your own bug out bag. I would rather go that route and use E-Bay to find bargains on equipment that I'd need for the BoB.

[Humble Janitor]

I was sold after I tried on in the woods in the pouring rain and freezing cold. Some blast match applied to wet fuel, and bang, instant fire.

Good for 10 thousand uses. I mean, theres 365 days a year..... three fires a day every day is only 1095 uses.

Double it for safety and still...

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=CYRKzdSXH34

That vid got me onto it, brought a few and do not regret it at all.

I have to admit that this looks like a must-have for starting fires, though I agree with the other ways that can start fires (lighters, windproof matches, bow, etc).

[Celtic_Man]

I am in shock.

:jawdrop:


No really I am absolutely being 100% honest with you.

First aid kit.
Water purification.
Fire starting.
Wood cutting tool/work tool/knife.
Personal shelter tarp and bivvie bag.
Fishing / trapping kit.
Navigation kit.
Renewable light source and emergency light source back up.
Clothing.
Food stuffs.
kelly kettle/cooking equipment and a boil cup/tin.
Anything else you consider you will need such as whistle, mirror, luxury items to help you on your journey...

Its able to be put together in a month at most - If you have the money to buy a 'commercial BOB' you have the money to make a much better and low weight BOB your self.

I understand what you're saying. I bought a BOB for about $80 with just about everything you mentioned. I only need to all more MRE's. My main goal is to be able to get from point A to point B and settle there.

[capreycorn]

A juice press?

For the love of all thats good, why?

Your going to worry about your morning cup of orange juice with your toast over the papers?
A juice press.
.................................................. .... a juice press..:jawdrop:
omfg.
A juice press.
:mfr_lol:

ok,

say you run out of water and need fluid, mouth dry, etc.. pick berries, any thing edible and juicy. press and drink it..sun-dry the remains for food later when you feel like eating again and have found water..
the same goes on the ocean in a liferaft..no water, no dew?..but caught some seafood and happen to have a juice press? too thirsty to eat? press whatever little juicy sea-critter you found, drink the fluid and sun dry the rest for later when things get better.
it`s your teamaker, when you don`t have one or your nutcracker cum cup(won`t lose a rat`s bite of nuts with it)..(your hammer, your bat to beat up someone/something: depending on the material, should be metal, mine is grandma style real sturdy metal), your soup cup to hold over the fire, your sock dryer (press/hold over the fire ((not too long!))), a place to put some hot coal to heat your little tent (just a thought)

it`s even more useful for making herbal stuff.. medicine & wound potions..that`s when this tool will be worth its weight in gold (latest then).

what else? hmm:original:
(mac gyver and jackie chan would know)

[capreycorn]

http://www.fcgapultoscollection.com/Giglis.jpghttp://img.nextag.com/image/TreeHelpLight-Weight-Manual-Chainsaw/0/000/005/948/997/594899731.jpghttp://img.nextag.com/image/Northern-Tool-High-Limb/0/000/005/158/990/515899009.jpg

another item which goes into the bugout bag:
a WIRE SAW (rather a couple of them)

https://www.ecamo.co.uk/images/comando-wire-saw.jpg

it comes in different shapes and sizes...but it can do more than just cut wood.. it can be used as garrote and is good for various other things..the small ones take little space and are therefore also a good barter..

ps: the small ones come in packs of about this size and shape..
http://condomblogs.com/i/condomcustom.jpg

[capreycorn]

http://www.copquest.com/45-1200_s.jpg
upon opening the bugout bag, this is what`s on top:
a fishing vest (or similar) (i went for a cheap one which says "pedigree pal" on it..since it came for free with a bulk of dog food)
the vest is already fully stuffed with the little but vital items no one wants to be searching for in the big bag...(rather wear it in case the bugout bag has to go for whatever reason)..
so it`s good to have some essentials in the vest pockets (something to cut and something to make fire)..essentials..like:
little knick lights, wire saw,various knives (folding), (swiss army knife..((which is not considdered as knife in the swiss army but as tool!))), compass, little first aid kit, pen, little notebook, little flashlight, lighters & matches, thermal blanket, thin plastic raincoat, a tiny shnaps (airline) bottle of javel water, (might want to have a tiny (airline) bottle of cognac too..whatever`s your favourite) a little power booster snack pack: guarana chocolate/dextrose/rocksugar,etc., maybe a little pocket radio, little pocket survival guide, small roll of fishing line .etc...etc...

ps: the bigger the vest, the better, so it can be just thrown comfortably over whatever winter coat one is wearing...
pps: whatever space is left, stuff it with condoms* and or kiddy balloons (to carry/collect water, blow up as floatation aid..etc..,zibloc bags...etc..
*in case things get really bad and one knows, that someone else will take away all possessions..the condoms (a couple) can be used to put in the lighter and the swiss army pocket knife...and then stick it in the pooper!...somebody stop me!:sweatdrop:

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http://farm1.static.flickr.com/19/91407427_11f9e92a98.jpg

[capreycorn]

http://www.preisvergleich.ch/pimages/Schweizer-Ziehgertel-Mit-Ledergriff-Ochsenkopf_1148__876854_40.jpg
almost as good as a machete and a pickaxe..`
strapped to the bugout bag, this typical swiss gardening tool has proven to be also a good climbing aid ...and it sure is a awful weapon and a (meat) hook in one..
http://file044a.bebo.com/12/large/2008/07/12/23/5267022051a8295399278l.gif

[Sol Invictus]

another item which goes into the bugout bag:
a WIRE SAW (rather a couple of them)

https://www.ecamo.co.uk/images/comando-wire-saw.jpg

it comes in different shapes and sizes...but it can do more than just cut wood.. it can be used as garrote and is good for various other things..the small ones take little space and are therefore also a good barter..



Now would that be a twisted noose, over the shoulder or drop garroting?

As for carrying a saw, ever see n a flexible hand 'chain saw'? I have two, and they work wonders on trees up to 12 inches thick.

As for the rest of your 'ideas' placing some thing up the posterior risks a blockage, and can lead to death in days.

[Sol Invictus]

http://img368.imageshack.us/img368/2366/sawtm7.jpg


Just amazing. Got one after a field demo from a guy out in the Cairngorms - it was really bad weather and he was building a big fire. Trees went down like skittles.

[dagon]

http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f196/gonphishing/bugbag.jpg

divers call lobster, bugs. this is my bug bag. :naughty:

[capreycorn]

As for the rest of your 'ideas' placing some thing up the posterior risks a blockage, and can lead to death in days.

:zip:
it should only be temporary ..lighter and knife should form one long "stick" not a wide pack (ooouch) like with a tampon use some fishing line dangling out go for the knife if both is too much..:mfr_omg:

http://www.neuetischkultur.de/images/product_images/info_images/7611160100146_1.jpgthe fishing line should be attached to that little key holder hole of the knife...the rest is "up to yours" fantasy...anyhow most probably such a stunt might not be necessary due to lack of time before one gets caught...better even to "never get there (caught)"..

http://nomadlife.org/uploaded_images/0,1445,222422,00-717842.gif

[capreycorn]

http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f196/gonphishing/bugbag.jpg

divers call lobster, bugs. this is my bug bag. :naughty:

"that`s pretty close to your family`s treasure!..don`t these crabs try to snap at it?"

such a net / bag is a great thing to have as well...:thumb_yello:

[capreycorn]

what comes in no bug out bag ..is your mind.. mental preparedness is as some have stated before absolutely vital.

the choice of things to pack may vary from one individual to the other (not everybody needs the same things..some can go without a fire for quite a while, others don`t) it all also depends on where one lives..(island,mountain,desert,city...) the things easyest to get hold of in the bag or fishing vest should be the ones first needed...in a city it may be the gun in the mountains a oxygen bottle, ropes and climbing gear...

..any given list of items to have in a bugout bag is good to get an idea of preparedness..it`s a good shopping list/memory aid...
but everyone must make his own choice.
just for example: some would say that the tool below is great! while i would avoid it and only use it if there`s not even a good knife around..(it`s just a personal thing)
http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/3450/gerbermultitoolqp2.jpg


another thing is that one may want to prepare a second bug out backpack or even a third and fourth little bug out bag just to have separate elements ready, in case they are needed..like a chemical warfare suit and mask is in my "5th bag" ..doesn`t mean that i`ll take it if there`s surely no need for it..

the second back pack could also contain things that seem more luxury than necessity.. or it could be just the same thing as the first bag for plain redundancy (for the spouse..or newly met partner in trouble "together" - it could be your neighbor...because sometimes together is better) since a backpack can also be carried in the front ...you could carry one front and one back...until it gets too much or you`ve met your "companion"...

:sweatdrop:

[davefla73]

http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f196/gonphishing/bugbag.jpg

divers call lobster, bugs. this is my bug bag. :naughty:

OH WOW, you got the worst case of parsites, in you nuts iv ever seen lol JK

[dagon]

"that`s pretty close to your family`s treasure!..don`t these crabs try to snap at it?"

such a net / bag is a great thing to have as well...:thumb_yello:


california spiny lobster don't have claws. but that do have a lot of horns and spines. the nice thing about wild game is there are no hormones and such. a cleaner way to eat. better for the environment. and its a gas to go get them. its the closest thing you can get to leaving the planet. the great escape. I recommend it highly. when Im not bug hunting Im spear fishing and free diving for abalone. no real need to stock pile food. unless the water get poisoned :thumb_yello:

http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f196/gonphishing/img_4721_740.jpg

http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f196/gonphishing/img_4718_727.jpg [/IMG]

http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f196/gonphishing/northcoast003.jpg

[dagon]

a closer look at the california lobster.http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f196/gonphishing/07bugzilla.jpg

[dagon]

http://img368.imageshack.us/img368/2366/sawtm7.jpg


Just amazing. Got one after a field demo from a guy out in the Cairngorms - it was really bad weather and he was building a big fire. Trees went down like skittles.


where can I find one of these? should be able to make one.

[Sol Invictus]

I got mine from ebay.

Just used survival saw as a search parameter. They are awesome for large branches off pine trees - just lob it up over, grab either end, move to one side and its down in less effort than it takes to go climb the tree with a normal saw.

[capreycorn]

california spiny lobster don't have claws. but that do have a lot of horns and spines. the nice thing about wild game is there are no hormones and such. a cleaner way to eat. better for the environment. and its a gas to go get them. its the closest thing you can get to leaving the planet. the great escape. I recommend it highly. when Im not bug hunting Im spear fishing and free diving for abalone. no real need to stock pile food. unless the water get poisoned :thumb_yello:




wow these lobsters are big!:thumb_yello:

seeing those california spiny lobsters, I
almost had to guess who catched who..:mfr_lol:
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