So very few people on avalon

[SIR GALAHAD]

Hi i don't know how many other people have noticed just lately how few there are of us on here has any body got any ideas as to why that is have they all been banned in the clean up thanks just a general question im throwing out .

[Leadman]

Christmas Shopping ?

Obamas in now so everythings o.k. we can go back to sleep :rolleyes:

[DVP14]

Hi i don't know how many other people have noticed just lately how few there are of us on here has any body got any ideas as to why that is have they all been banned in the clean up thanks just a general question im throwing out .

I will tell you the reason I have asked them to please shut down my account. There are humans on here who think they are gods. They give out "spiritual information" and think that they are Jesus incarnate. (no i'm not a christian, but I am trying to make a point) In the end I realize , socializing with MYSELF and human beings is what is really going to help me grow and not this forum. This has worked for ME so far. I do come here to read articles. I wish you peace.

[motov]

I will tell you the reason I have asked them to please shut down my account. There are humans on here who think they are gods. They give out "spiritual information" and think that they are Jesus incarnate. (no i'm not a christian, but I am trying to make a point) In the end I realize , socializing with MYSELF and human beings is what is really going to help me grow and not this forum. This has worked for ME so far. I do come here to read articles. I wish you peace.

you are what you project and have free will to disregard the view of others, as am i and so i live....

"If we don't believe in freedom of expression for
people we despise, we don't believe in it at all."
-Noam Chomsky

[pineal-pilot-in merkabah]

people have the information they need for survival/obama is in so its all ok now/they have formed new partenrship and ground crews/some people are weak minded and cant handle certain information./some were confused to what avalon is about and have left? there are still great threads started by GREG ARTURO for example.. the useless fluff has been trimmed and there a less threads. quality not quantity??

[capreycorn]

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[burgundia]

Because it is Sunday? Because we need a break from time to time? Because we don't want to become Avalon-addicts? underline the correct answer:original:

[SoulSuspect]

Its because of me, sorry.


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[skyrimirre]

I agree some people can't handle it and would like to stay asleep and believe
that Obama's in so they can sit back on the laurels.

Anyway, those of us who are here should be. Those who feel to leave, shouldn't be here.

Either way, there is a future out there waiting and we can deal with it or we can't, it is the same.

[freespirit]

the most user's online was the 10,15,08 just in case you don't know-
that was during and after the whole blossom event or nonevent.
In any case it brought us all together.
people need to talk and not just about anything but topic's that are current-
and inciteful.
as long as avalon exists i will always be logging in and out-daily.
Imagination is'nt everything without a little bit of something.

freespirit

[Elephant Man]

Ive noticed a great reduction in worthless threads. I have also found some amazing information from people in here, I have found great humour, great artwork and some pretty cool interpretations of history. I also asked to be deleted a few weeks back, when avalon was full of politics and B.O. I'm glad they didnt delete me, cos since then Ive found some great stuff. Rock on! :thumb_yello:

peace

[Seth Haniel]

maybe more than first glance - but all posts in quarantine being vetted before post or deletion by moderators ;)

[Dantheman62]

It goes up and down like ocean tides, some people left on their own and some were banned. Those that were banned should've been because either they were doom and gloomers or smart asses bad mouthing people.I've noticed that some of the ones who were banned are on other sites bad mouthing Avalon, which is chicken s....t in my book. That's like running home to mommy crying about some bully picked on you! If you can't stand the heat in the kitchen,get out! But if you stay, don't cry about getting burned later on.There's still alot of info. and daily news items to discuss, and alot over in Camelot to talk about and read up on.

[THE eXchanger]

WOW...it was just snowing here ...

maybe, it is time to hiberate !!!

maybe, it is time to sort out your life !!!

(the biggest question, for me, right now, is, how do you face it, alone)

there is "real" work, that, i know, i need to do...
so, at this time, i am off to write my book(s)

Brightest blessings of energy, light and love to all of you...
Susan
The eXchanger

[Tara]

I'm not going anywhere. I love this forum, and the people on it. The main reason I love it is, all the information that is made available. It is fringe type stuff we will not find anywhere else. We will always have differing opinions on issues, but so what? People have opened my mind to some issues. It is a bit addicting though. I have a hard time not checking in daily.

[RSF]

I certainly agree with your first line Elephant Man. I learn alot from the high-quality posts here on PC and PA. I too have noticed as of late the quality of posts seem to be increasing and the sarcasm shrinking. I'm very happy to be a contributor here.:thumb_yello:
RSF

[777 The Great Work]

http://freshimagehosting.com/images/80ana1i4nvoi4z8n59.jpg AVALON AHHHHH:smoke:

[mike20]

The Fall

The fall off in participation is possibly because when the Bush regime was in power reality became so warped that exoplotics seemed very believable. Then, there is an election and the person with the most votes wins, which lends to the feeling that reality may be returning to “normal”. I don’t believe that. In my case I am fatigued from exploring this absurd reality in the abstract venue of the Internet. I am trying to spend as much time with real live humans or benevolent ET s as possible.

I have just started visiting site. I looked at it once or twice and it was a little overwhelming. Possibly I haven’t thoroughly explored it, but I haven’t seen much comment on the New Paradigm Handbooks themselves. This material has had a powerful positive effect on me. I sympathize with George Green. He seemed depressed that people don’t have the patience to get into the books. I have given away about thirty of them and not one person I gave them to has responded to them in the same way I did. I belong to a small group of people who have actually read the things and the material has also affected them so I know it is not just me who is attracted to this stuff.

I ran across a Paul Levy interview on this site. I thought it was very powerful. I prompted me to revisit Jung and there is a Jungian Society here and I have attended a meeting. I see the New Paradigm books as Myth, which does not diminish their truth but potentates it. If this Time is what many of think it is it makes sense that Myth will invade reality. I plan to take this lull in the action to explore my own depth. I can only blame myself for the misinformation I receive in that inquiry. I am going to gird up my loins.

I think this advice from Embracing the Rainbow is relevant.

“The focus must be more wholistic and include survival for service aimed at lifting the yoke of darkness and descending vibratory experience from humanity and the planet rather than focused on individual escape from the morass of a destructive situation. In other words there must be participation in the solution rather than using the information to abandon ship.” Pg. 4

[Jacqui D]

As with all new forums the excitement has now levelled and people have said their piece got things out in the open and now have not much else to say.
Also the last month October was a month of many observations that never took place.
One minute we were being told the financial crash would cause so many agenda's such as martial law on the streets, finding a new home for safety, food shortages etc;
Then we had the big ufo hoax which never happened, that was a big let down i might add you could feel the energy drop on the site because at last!! we finally wanted this to happen.
Then of course the American elections well that's it what next?
maybe some felt with no new info coming it it was not enough to feed their needs.
We must continue in this lull this peaceful time and reflect, the future well we will have to wait and see.
I have made some wonderful people on this site and will continue to be here and i still get that buzz like the first day when i joined.
I guess it's talking to all you guys i feel lucky that there are some many true hearts out there.:wub2::wub2::wub2:

[sunshineseastar]

[QUOTE=Dantheman62;81067]some were banned. Those that were banned I've noticed that some of the ones who were banned are on other sites

really ? what other sites......?? i miss some of the some of them had good points....i would enjoy sayin hello to them.......

oh and seems as if your pointing at yourself.....bad mouthing you say ? and i quote "chicken s....t in my book. That's like running home to mommy crying about some bully picked on you!!"

[Dantheman62]

You only got part of my quote in your message, I said those that were banned should've been because they were posting stupid doom and gloom threads, or were bad mouthing people.There's a guy named gazbom or something like that, that has a blog where norval goes to bad mouth avalon, norval used to be on the forum also until he was banned. And to go elsewhere and talk trash about this forum after being banned here is chicken s...t in my book.If some people were banned there's a reason why, so no need to cry about it somewhere else. I've never talked bad about Bill or Kerry or the mods, nor will I. I've never been warned or had any infraction points or even been pm'd by any mods. You don't go into somebody's house and tell them the carpet stinks, or the paint's an ugly color, or the food sucks, it's called respect.

[Dean Plejaren]

SIR GALAHAD here's what happened. The forum made an attempt to go in the right direction. Babies complained and moderators fixed it.


I've noticed that some of the ones who were banned are on other sites bad mouthing Avalon, which is chicken s....t in my book. That's like running home to mommy crying about some bully picked on you! If you can't stand the heat in the kitchen,get out!

............They did not run away they were banned. So who is running away. Who can't stand the heat. You contradict yourself. And why is there 'some bully' picking on then. That means the bully is the coward not the one standing up for themself. So you have it backwards as usual.

[Dantheman62]

Alright you need to read that again, I said that's LIKE running home to mommy crying about some bully picking on you! I didn't say they were running away!, Yes they were banned! And when I say if you can't stand the heat,get out, that means if you don't like it here then leave, don't stay around and moan and complain about it!

[Dean Plejaren]

That is fine except you have some illusion that they are bad people. The people complaining are still here. Like yourself who are complaining about who I see as fairly decent people. You're the ones protected by mommy and daddy not the other way around. You use the analogy it's their house. No it's the peoples house. The internet is not suppose to be private property unless you are into fascism. We make this entire thing up. The people who liked the forum are also banned too. It has nothing to do with what you said. Some left because they didn't like other people and so on. But most are too quick to be banned. The reason why you never got any penalty even though you are rude is because of being an owners pet.

[sunshineseastar]

............They did not run away they were banned. So who is running away. Who can't stand the heat. You contradict yourself. And why is there 'some bully' picking on then. That means the bully is the coward not the one standing up for themself. So you have it backwards as usual.[/QUOTE]

couldn´t agree more......oh and Dantheman62 baaaa

[sunshineseastar]

That is fine except you have some illusion that they are bad people. The people complaining are still here. Like yourself who are complaining about who I see as fairly decent people. You're the ones protected by mommy and daddy not the other way around. You use the analogy it's their house. No it's the peoples house. The internet is not suppose to be private property unless you are into fascism. We make this entire thing up. The people who liked the forum are also banned too. It has nothing to do with what you said. Some left because they didn't like other people and so on. But most are too quick to be banned. The reason why you never got any penalty even though you are rude is because of being an owners pet.

the voice of truth !!!!!!! thanks.....

[Xhaosis]

Well, there really is not much to talk about on this forum...


You can only go on and on about preparedness for so long.

Sooner or later you get your alpha members, and it turns into a strange mindless challenge of people's beleif's.

I suggest more topics to talk about.

I would like a poetry section or a section where members can express other things, perhaps a debate section, so we can have debates, and learn. Perhaps a section where we can post pictures of odd things we see, news or what not. Making Avalon a more dynamic message board. I try to come on as much as I can, do I agree with every mind I meet here, no, yet instead of posting hey your a moron, I just do not post on their thread. Actually there are some threads here that actually scare me, as far as what people think and beleive, but that does not mean I am not brave enough to try to understand how, or why or for what reason they beleive such a notion. Anyhow its not the quantitiy of the product we produce its the quality...

PEACE

[Anchor]

Hi i don't know how many other people have noticed just lately how few there are of us on here has any body got any ideas as to why that is have they all been banned in the clean up thanks just a general question im throwing out .


In fact the answer is simpler.

"There is only one of us here."

A..

[Karen]

I'm a new mod, all of the mod team and Bill and Kerry just had a nice teleconference to get us all aligned with the Avalon purpose and on the same page.

I've seen some very balanced and sensible observations voiced on this thread and I've seen a few that are not true to my understanding of what has transpired on the Avalon forum.

A few people were banned because of offensive attitudes. I don't know of any that were banned for posting "doom and gloom" info. The problem is the attitude.

How would you describe the attitude you would like your partners in an "Avalon-type" community to exhibit? Would rude and disrespectful, accusing without questioning another directly about their motives and intent be the type of people you want in your community?

And a lot of others left, on their own free-well because of offensive attitudes grandstanding in the forum.

Please don't jump to conclusions about Bill, Kerry or the mods. They have all been accused of some really far out schemes and theses accusations simply are not true. Please ask questions in a respectful way. We have some new moderators on the team now and more time to answer you about Avalon. Bill will have some time this week to answer questions - look for him to be posting a thread for you to ask questions.

Karen

[Karen]

I would like a poetry section or a section where members can express other things, perhaps a debate section, so we can have debates, and learn. Perhaps a section where we can post pictures of odd things we see, news or what not. Making Avalon a more dynamic message board. I try to come on as much as I can, do I agree with every mind I meet here, no, yet instead of posting hey your a moron, I just do not post on their thread. Actually there are some threads here that actually scare me, as far as what people think and beleive, but that does not mean I am not brave enough to try to understand how, or why or for what reason they beleive such a notion. Anyhow its not the quantitiy of the product we produce its the quality...

Xhaosis, I have noted your suggestions and will post them to the moderator brainstorming areas. In fact, we may start a "Suggestion Box" thread - we just need a little time to sort our way through the humongous task of "improving Avalon."

Karen

[macleodmunro]

One thing that annoys me is every time i get into a thread, and i'm enjoying reading peoples comments (like in this thread) an argument breaks out.

One person says something another doesn't like and the trading of insults begins.
This is becomming far too common. Maybe some members are put off by this, who knows.

I had hoped to find more understanding of LOVE on this forum, but maybe humanity's desire for conflict is too strong.

PEACE (please)

[Karen]

That is fine except you have some illusion that they are bad people. The people complaining are still here. Like yourself who are complaining about who I see as fairly decent people. You're the ones protected by mommy and daddy not the other way around. You use the analogy it's their house. No it's the peoples house. The internet is not suppose to be private property unless you are into fascism. We make this entire thing up. The people who liked the forum are also banned too. It has nothing to do with what you said. Some left because they didn't like other people and so on. But most are too quick to be banned. The reason why you never got any penalty even though you are rude is because of being an owners pet.

Dean Plejaren,

Most "bans" are short term to encourage people to modify offensive behavior before they return again in a few days. We'd rather call it a more gentle term, but the vBulletin software is quite limited and we have to work with how the software is written. I know Bill would love to have someone design a special application for Avalon whose language would be more in alignment with his vision.

I will disagree with you - this is the internet "house" built by Bill and Kerry and we do have "rules of engagement" to treat each other with respect. Most people who have left the forum have done so because a very few people were allowed to carry on in off tangent directions. With more mods on duty now, we hope people will get true answers to their questions in a more timely matter before the conspiracy mind has concocted dozens of of untrue explanations. If you have any questions, just ask.

If anyone wants to be more in tune with the language of non-violent communication ...
please visit:
The Center for Nonviolent Communication
Global organization helping people compassionately connect with one another through Nonviolent Communication, a process created by Marshall B Rosenberg, ...
www.cnvc.org/

[Frank Samuel]

Somebody said that people move on to other sites what a relief, I thought they all got rapture and became food for the reptilians.:naughty:
Well maybe one of the doom and gloom predictions became true for them.
Who knows why people leave, too much positivity can be contagious, why be happy if you could be gloomy. :lmao: Just kidding folks.:wub2:

[Karen]

One thing that annoys me is every time i get into a thread, and i'm enjoying reading peoples comments (like in this thread) an argument breaks out.

One person says something another doesn't like and the trading of insults begins.
This is becomming far too common. Maybe some members are put off by this, who knows.

I had hoped to find more understanding of LOVE on this forum, but maybe humanity's desire for conflict is too strong.

PEACE (please)

Yes, Macleodmunro, I agree with you. The moderators had a 3.5 hour teleconference this morning and I brought up the topic of posting info and links to help people learn about more gentle communication skills.

Karen

[Humble Janitor]

I agree some people can't handle it and would like to stay asleep and believe
that Obama's in so they can sit back on the laurels.

Anyway, those of us who are here should be. Those who feel to leave, shouldn't be here.

Either way, there is a future out there waiting and we can deal with it or we can't, it is the same.

Now, let's knock it off with the Obama-bashing. I'm getting sick and tired of seeing that in every single thread here.

Regardless, perhaps people are just taking a break? I don't need to be here all the time either.

[Reunite]

Maybe some people have found out about Dr Earths's new ecological nightclub

http://www.holisticbulletin.com/2008/06/27/worlds-first-ecological-nightclub-launches/

[Worlds Beyond 2]

Yes, Macleodmunro, I agree with you. The moderators had a 3.5 hour teleconference this morning and I brought up the topic of posting info and links to help people learn about more gentle communication skills.

Karen

Hi Karen,

well, this sounds a great idea.. I for one hope this will bring about a much needed improvement, and hope this effort put into positive commnication styles will pay off for everyone... as even after the "clear-out" a week or two ago, there is still sometimes a level of communicating (by some, not all) which leaves quite a bit to be desired , my humble opinion.

This is what made me walk away a few weeks ago, not the content of the threads or ideas (even the ones I disagreed with), but the way they often demised into slanging matches, derision, sarcasm, sometimes outright verbal abuse and often really low-level ways of speaking to people... by some (not all) members, and also some (not trying to point any fingers here! :original:), not all, mods themselves........ I think this really might have put a lot of people off. It did me! I came back as I feel this is an important place to learn and share, even though still feeling rather wary.. sometimes feels like I'm treading on eggshells.. afraid of (unintentionally) setting off any verbal 'explosions' !

So.. I really do hope this will lead to a fresh re-start for Avalon, as it is a valuable site and I for one will stay for as long as the level/tone/style of communication remains positive, well-intentioned and peaceful ... whatever is being discussed and whoever is discussing it!

Maybe then more people will feel encouraged to post and stop lurking?!

Peaceful blessings! :original:

[Dean Plejaren]

A few people were banned because of offensive attitudes

Hey Karen,
You had a meeting about how to keep on purpose? Feel free to share the main points with everyone on the forum who are part of it.....

It depends how wise you are. If banning people is the answer to offensive attitudes (that one interprets as offensive) it's not dealing with things but making them worse. Mainly because their attitude may not be what is offensive at all so it creates another problem instead of the solution. It may be the other person who is offensive by thinking they are superior and interpreting it as bad. People have the right to decide things. Responsibility for not being censored is everyones problem. The purpose of Avalon is not in the direction of it's defined purpose otherwise a community would be in the works that we could all participate in. There would be planning and a clearly defined progression happening that we can all track. If others express observations or judgments are labeled offensive. This is getting on thin ice in terms of covering up what others say and their own experiences. It prevents positive growth when you censor no matter what the excuse is.

So it's not attacking or accusing or an attitude that is a problem. Blaming individuals, is not kool. Not allowing them to speak, is not effective. The issue is sticking to the defined purpose of the forum. Which I see is offtrack at the moment. Maybe re-define it's purpose or stop thinking it is the purpose it advertises.

You can't stop people arguing forcefully without a regression, that is part of the process of resolving present frictions. Forcefully banning average people is going backwards. You can say they deserve to be banned and it was all correct but I wasn't born yesterday.

P.S
When you own a site that doesn't mean you own the people. Nor does it mean they are in your territory to order them as you please. This is what causes illusions that make you think certain people are above the rule of other people. It's not a pyramid. You strip people of their right to be themself.

Yes I have already got a ban as a warning for having this 'attitude' which I think is entirely offensive in itself.

I know that some people are comfortable thinking things are different without the truth upsetting them and their daily log on experience. For that I am sorry. I'd rather upset them than let others paint a picture that is not the true situation.

[Myplanet2]

I think the people most likely to find themselves invited to leave, are those who could care less whether they upset or offend others.

Any point which can be made, can be made without trampling others feelings.

There are lots of very sensitive people here, who have largely put most confrontationally polarized interactions behind them.

Many have said that proximity to this careless behaviour is a deal breaker in whether they are able to participate here or not, and unfortunately, we've lost a great many valued members.

An example would be where a poster tells another he's gotten something wrong, and then adds a completely unnecessary "as usual".

That kind of petulant behaviour can grow legs and walk away, IMO.

[Karen]

1) The voice of truth? 2) Owners pet? 3) Too quick to be banned?

My comments:
1) Not the voice of truth that I hear. I see a lot of opinion there, some I agree with and much that I don't agree with and some downright erroneous.
2) I was not given any list of of "owners pets." :nono:
3) Too quick to be banned some may say, and not quick enough for others. There are many different personality types on the forum. Some love to be argumentative. Some find argumentation to be most unpleasant. The ban rate here has been very, very tiny. As the mod team continues to change members and there is more communication and training, and the work load spread a little thinner, there should be less people feeling unfairly dealt with. Give us a chance. Many times other members make complaints about a person which over time lead to that person being banned if their unpleasant behavior continues to upset other members.
_____________
Originally Posted by Dean Plejaren
That is fine except you have some illusion that they are bad people. The people complaining are still here. Like yourself who are complaining about who I see as fairly decent people. You're the ones protected by mommy and daddy not the other way around. You use the analogy it's their house. No it's the peoples house. The internet is not suppose to be private property unless you are into fascism. We make this entire thing up. The people who liked the forum are also banned too. It has nothing to do with what you said. Some left because they didn't like other people and so on. But most are too quick to be banned. The reason why you never got any penalty even though you are rude is because of being an owners pet.

the voice of truth !!!!!!! thanks.....

[blastawaycas]

or it might be because everybody is getting there computer fried this is the third one this week:mad3:

[Karen]

Hey Karen,
You had a meeting about how to keep on purpose? Feel free to share the main points with everyone on the forum who are part of it.....

No, that was not the topic of this meeting, though it might be in some future meeting. Have you ever run a discussion board of this size with its initial growth rate? Have you ever had 100 lies proclaimed about yourself and your mission and your intents?

If you think a handful or two of banned members in a forum with over 5200 people is a big deal, think about this one ... the attrition rate of the moderators is astronomical. The work load is crushing, for some the mountain of abuse and lies about the mod team and owners simply becomes intolerable. Considerable meeting time was spent getting all the new mods on the same page, so some of the past problems can be avoided in the future. If there is a problem on the forum, we all want to come up with the best solutions, none of which of course, will please everyone. I assure everyone of this -- the mods are not the power tripping ogres that a handful think we are. We are just everyday people who have volunteered our time to help out. None of us are perfect and we all have a flaw or two or maybe even three. Very few of the previous batch of mods remain. So its a new day!

I'd say 50% of it was about technical issues connected to using vBulletin. Almost every answer about changes we wanted was "no this program cannot do that." And I asked a lot of questions about all the crazy things people are writing and spreading around. No, George Green has not funded Kerry and Bill. It has all been their own money they spent to provide this information to people for free, and a small portion of small donations. They will probably make a section and answer all these types of lies about them themselves. Dean we are here for the truth and you are posting some erroneous assumptions and calling them truth.

Here's a fact: Many members are complaining to us about your swastika avatar - as we all have various levels of "truth" knowing. I happened to read the thread about what the true meaning of that symbol is - if I remember correctly, it is unity. I think it would be a great idea if you could put some explanation in your sig file, something clever or witty or with a real stickem point. You do ask some good questions. Keep advocating for the truth, but be careful about those assumptions you make.

To UNITY!
To the TRUTH!
Karen

[Dean Plejaren]

Give us a chance.

A chance at what? You have all the chances. I'm defending peoples freedom to have one. The point is to be able to express without getting banned or penalized or threads moved deleted in what I see as a bias fashion. It may not be conscious so I'm not accusing anyone. Give the people who are banned a chance. That is a suggestion not a complaint or protest.

If people complain well they can complain. I never let complaints control me neither should anyone else worry about anything anyone complains about or lies about. As long as you stick to the truth lies are just lies and ignorance ignorance. If you cannot defeat lies with truth it only proves you don't have enough truth to defeat it. Censorship is not how you defeat any problem you can trust me on that because it's factual. Remember this is not an argument, do as you wish. I'm just stating how things are. When you delete threads move things around ban people. You do it out of discernment of what is supposedly the best thing. I'm just saying how I see the situation if you think I am wrong that is ok. And ban me if you wish. My opinion remands the same.

If I have made any assumptions in particular that are wrong feel free to point them out. I'm not against you saying so. Just as you shouldn't be against me saying what I think.

My avatar, that shouldn't be a problem. If anyone is offended contact me for clarification. It has never being a problem. I have only saw one person ask about what it meant. If anyone was upset complaining to me would be more sensible since I am the one with the avatar. Yet I haven't seen anyone complain as yet publically or privately to me.

Could you be making excuses? Are you being defensive? I don't see a problem with anyone I just like to say things as I see them. If people create rumors or lies that is their business it doesn't mean I am going to infringe on their ability to express simply because their behavior may not be suitable for myself. Better they are allowed to make mistakes and learn. I'm only saying this as the subject came up normally I would not bring it up only someone asked about this.

5200 people is only a big deal if you have an ineffective approach. Otherwise they are simply free spirits speaking their mind and it's not really that much work when everyone does a little bit to help keep the forum running. Like you being moderator and such. What crushing workload? I would just let them be as they are and let them lead themself......it shouldn't be a crushing workload. Keep in mind I haven't assumed anything about anyone.

This is also strange that you say half of it was because of technical issues. I was there and I know what happened was not a technical puzzle it was clearly active moderation with clear distinct choices that were being made at the time. What technical issue could it have being? If you mean there was not a function to more effectively control peoples opinion than I have to say forums are not made for that purpose.

To UNITY!
To the TRUTH!

[lilac]

Besides the Law of One and the Golden Rule, another wonderful communication tool that I try to use as a guide is the Four Agreements: Always do your best; Be impeccable with your word; Don't make assumptions; Don't take anything personally.

Conflict, mud-slinging and disagreement come from basic negative emotions like fear. In a place like this, where awareness is fairly high, valuable discussions could take place that would be helpful for ground crews who need first and foremost to GET ALONG.

So, starting on a level playing field, meaning that each and every voice is valued, I would love to hear other people's thoughts on a thread titled, "The Art of Not Taking Offense".

[Karen]

Hey Karen,
You had a meeting about how to keep on purpose? Feel free to share the main points with everyone on the forum who are part of it.....

Keeping "on purpose" is different from stating your purpose to a new moderating team. What struck me most about what Bill has said is that he would like to see a new "forum paradigm." He wants to see less harsh statements from the moderators to the out of alignment members. The new consciousness is a softer, more gentle, less combative and less argumentative attitude. It's a new day. It's a new moderating team, with new goals and new agreements. Could you please back off the public mod bashing. If you have a complaint about any future moderator actions, Private Message me or one of the others and let us discuss it with you. I will keep requesting that we all think about dropping old paradigm communication styles while you (plural) are abiding in Kerry and Bill's internet gathering place. I don't agree with you that this should be a free-for-all place where some members ignore the forum guidelines.

And I just saw your new post. We talked about how we can move a thread to the section they belong in, and leave a place marker directing people to the new location. We send the original poster a private message about the move, and we hope a place marker will help. From this point on we hope to limit the deleting of posts and I am advocating this be minimized for the very reasons you express. I assure you we are listening, yet we do have FORUM GUIDELINES - http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/announcement.php?f=&a=6.

Again this is a new team with new input and a new vision. From this day forward give us chance - complain to us of future events, not of the past we've hashed over a zillion times. Please go make a positive contribution to some other thread. Please help guide the forum members to stick with the the purpose. You know - unity. What are we doing right? Anything?

To keep on purpose!
Karen

[Dean Plejaren]

Keeping "on purpose" is different from stating your purpose to a new moderating team. What struck me most about what Bill has said is that he would like to see a new "forum paradigm." He wants to see less harsh statements from the moderators to the out of alignment members. The new consciousness is a softer, more gentle, less combative and less argumentative attitude. It's a new day. It's a new moderating team, with new goals and new agreements. Could you please back off the public mod bashing.

Startling after you say that I'm faced with back off the mod bashing. If it is a new day and a new paradigm. Why do I still feel like I did something wrong and you are asking me to not do something. Why do you say I am mod bashing? Because I thought that some moderation was bias recently....Am I allowed to have that thought without being seen as abusive? If not I don't think that is fair. I have good reason to judge it as bias. But yeah I will move on now I was just answering the question from someone.

The out of alignment members? Well that is for everyone to judge. Some people have unusual choices that are different to others. I see them as individuals and my paradigm is completely different to yours. I support co-operating but would not mistake difference of opinion with conflict.

Thanks for adding your bit and doing the best you can. It's not that I don't appreciate good intentions I would rather not praise people.

[broken arrow]

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[Myplanet2]

Since you asked, Dean, I believe you have made a couple of assumptions which are incorrect in this thread.

One is that this place is public. It is not. you had to apply and be accepted. It's a private place, belonging to Bill and Kerry. What they wish it to be, is what it will be. Those who find they can't agree with their purpose and mission statement for this forum are welcome to find a more suitable playground.

Second is the notion of free speech on this forum. The desire of both owners and the mod team, is that free speech be the reality here. But it's not a right. It's a privilege, which exists within the rules, guidelines, and spirit and purpose under which this forum was created.

A member here simply does not have the right to treat other members in a disrespectful, discourteous manner.

Your freedom to leave far surpasses your freedom to say whatever you like, regardless of the effect that will create on other more congenial members.

I'm not saying I think you should leave or don't belong here. I've seen lots of your posts pushing for getting into action on some sort of plan. Sounds like you're action oriented. What are you doing in that regard? Action oriented people are going to see their person stock rise in the near future, if I'm not mistaken. Action needs a channel.

[Anchor]

I'm defending peoples freedom to have one.

Dean, why do you feel that you need to "speak for" / "defend" people here or "there"? DO you think this forum is full of shy people who cannot speak for themselves. Have you considered that many are quite happy just to lurk and get all the good stuff that is here, or just contribute in peace.

What is it that YOU really want? If it is total freedom to engage in any forum behaviour including that which contravene's the forum guideliness then great - I get that, maybe YOU don't agree with all of the guidelines, but it is Avalon with Avalon's guidelines and not Dean's forum with Dean's guidelines.

Avalon values positive contribution, factual contribution, healthy debate and opinions, above that it values that all this is done in a respectful and as harmless a manner as possible. The moderators are there to assisst this process.

Avalon encourages that decency, and I feel pretty confident that most of the membership encourages/hopes for it to, since that is what makes it strong.

Further, I presume that the majority who do operate within the guidelines dont really understand why the few who dont, do what they do. Or if they do, (sometimes it is obvious) they dont speak up because they dont want to further fan the fires - they would preffer to stick with Avalons mission. They dont want endless threads of bonecrushing debate, or to be personally attacked for thier views, or see forum bashing and negativity - all of which is, more often than not, off-topic.

In any case those that fail to meet these quite normal standards of human decency should expect to either be encouraged to change or, if necessary stop contributing (by thier choice or Avalon's depending on the situation).

You have said elsewhere that you are going to start your own unmoderated forum? Were is it? You can say that here as a reply to this message and I promise that we won't bust you for advertising. Either way, I wish you well in your experiment.

A..

[Dean Plejaren]

Since you asked, Dean, I believe you have made a couple of assumptions which are incorrect in this thread.

One is that this place is public. It is not. you had to apply and be accepted. It's a private place, belonging to Bill and Kerry. What they wish it to be, is what it will be. Those who find they can't agree with their purpose and mission statement for this forum are welcome to find a more suitable playground.

Second is the notion of free speech on this forum. The desire of both owners and the mod team, is that free speech be the reality here. But it's not a right. It's a privilege, which exists within the rules, guidelines, and spirit and purpose under which this forum was created.

A member here simply does not have the right to treat other members in a disrespectful, discourteous manner.

Your freedom to leave far surpasses your freedom to say whatever you like, regardless of the effect that will create on other more congenial members.

I'm not saying I think you should leave or don't belong here. I've seen lots of your posts pushing for getting into action on some sort of plan. Sounds like you're action oriented. What are you doing in that regard? Action oriented people are going to see their person stock rise in the near future, if I'm not mistaken. Action needs a channel.

Not a public place. Private. Free speech not seen as a right but a privilege here. Limited within the bounds of the desires of the private owners on the internet space who claim everything within that space as their own.

This is not my paradigm or something I will ever agree on. but I will agree it is there right to choose that paradigm for themself. Even if I did not agree the laws of nature dictate them the power to ban me. However it does not empower people this paradigm so I conclude it is immoral. I am here because I am myself, my rights is never a privilege or property of another person.

Since I don't agree with this paradigm they can either let me be myself or ban me. I respect people but I am going to think for myself what is best. If others did the same we would not have globalization. This was not an assumption I made it was a conscious decision to know and follow what is the more effective and empowering system of operation in a forum.

You have said elsewhere that you are going to start your own unmoderated forum? Were is it?

http://plejaren.heavenforum.com/

[nibiru]

i will tell you the reason i have asked them to please shut down my account. There are humans on here who think they are gods. They give out "spiritual information" and think that they are jesus incarnate. (no i'm not a christian, but i am trying to make a point) in the end i realize , socializing with myself and human beings is what is really going to help me grow and not this forum. This has worked for me so far. I do come here to read articles. I wish you peace.

you´ve got a point there...
That´s exactly what jesus,and all of the grand religions in the world say : You are cocreator gods/godesses...and the same miracles i do is what you can also do,and even greater things...
With all my respect i think you should do your homework and research,study,investigate...remember that when the student is ready the master teacher appears...
Fortunately many human beings are awakening to the knowledge and fact that we are not separate, we all are the unique conciousness, incarnated, manifestating... And the power that emanates from that fact is the one that many " polarized to the dark " humans want to erase from your mind and from your reality...
But it is a matter of spiritual evolution ... It is like a stair,where some go in the first step,others go in the fifth, and few go in the twentieth... But it is not a race, and it really doesn´t matter who reaches the final step and who does that in ten millions years...
There is a law , that says that the "older" brothers serve the "youngest"...
So listen to whom has travelled much further than yourself and your inner voice will tell you if they have shared a piece of the whole truth or not (of course you first have to learn how to listen to your inner self), and please, always use discernment...
THERE WILL BE A TIME IN THIS INCARNATION OR IN THE NEXT OR IN THE FOLLOWING THOUSANDS THAT EVERYTHING WILL CLICK IN YOUR INSIDE WORLD...THERE IS NO RUSH...TIME IS AN ILLUSION,PAST,PRESENT AND FUTURE COEXIST SIMULTANIOUSLY...
With 9d compassion
nibiru

[nibiru]

Ground crew :
One of the main prerequisites for humankind when joining the galactic community is tolerance and respect towards other ways of embracing reality...each fillum has its own agenda to fulfll in the universal puzzle...when we human beings show respect to others we can expect respect for us...it is a natural "universal law: Do to others what you would like others to do to you.... Simple as that.
Show respect and you will also receive it... Don´t show it and prepare to be banned from this forum,from any forum...from any club,from any family...from anywhere...
Irrespectfull people have the right to express and exist, yes, tolerance is the clue...but please exist in some other universe...:wink2:

[Myplanet2]

Not a public place. Private. Free speech not seen as a right but a privilege here. Limited within the bounds of the desires of the private owners on the internet space who claim everything within that space as their own.

This is not my paradigm or something I will ever agree on. but I will agree it is there right to choose that paradigm for themself. Even if I did not agree the laws of nature dictate them the power to ban me. However it does not empower people this paradigm so I conclude it is immoral. I am here because I am myself, my rights is never a privilege or property of another person.

Since I don't agree with this paradigm they can either let me be myself or ban me. I respect people but I am going to think for myself what is best. If others did the same we would not have globalization. This was not an assumption I made it was a conscious decision to know and follow what is the more effective and empowering system of operation in a forum.



http://plejaren.heavenforum.com/

I have a lot of respect for someone who can and does think for themselves. I also have a lot of respect for someone who places more value on their integrity than they do their safety or convenience.

You have these Dean, so I respect you.

But I disagree with your statement that this forums policies are disempowering. The policies exist to protect the many, from the individuals who place what they want personally, above the rights of others to not have that individual "act out" if that's what they feel like doing.

Kerry said just today that (paraphrase here) the rules are not to take precedence over the individual pursuit of truth. And that she didn't want the Mods here to be like traffic cops.

The mods don't want to be reduced to that kind of activities either.

The line to keep from crossing, is the one where the many are made to hear the complaints of the one or the few. It just turns the place thick with unpleasant vibrations, if that's the terminology you'd care to use.

The only rights of yours anyone here is interested in infringing, is your perceived right to say whatever you want, no matter what that does to others. You are responsible for the effects you create on others.

The mods will protect the members here from self serving activities which fall outside the rules, and cause others distress. They won't have much choice.

'nough said.

[Dean Plejaren]

The policies exist to protect the many, from the individuals who place what they want personally, above the rights of others to not have that individual "act out" if that's what they feel like doing.

But notice something when you do this......Remember the policies of anti-terrorism laws? What does it end up doing?

How do you protect people? By putting the power in the hands of a few people?

I am not trying to argue this is just open discussion about things. It's my view that the foundation of something will determine how strong it will be.

All that Avalon is for I am supporting, but this is just how I think. I'm not demanding anything just being transparent about how I think.

[Carol]

Hi Dean. I hardly think anyone is ever going to stop you from having or expressing your opinion. :mfr_lol:

Mods respond to the complaints of other members toward a particular member whom they think are taking advantage of, or just plain don't follow the guidelines. In fact, over 90 percent of mods taking any action is complaint driven by the members themselves.

I hope this clarifies some of the confusion that may have popped up from time to time.

As for missing threads, I repeatedly stated that anyone sending me the name of a thread that is being reviewed that they wish to see sooner, as compared to later. just needs to PM me and I will personally handle it ASAP.

[Dean Plejaren]

over 90 percent of mods taking any action is complaint driven by the members themselves.

It does not clarify even more questions come to mind.....But I will leave the issue alone I don't want to harass.

Nice of you to offer getting any missing threads back if they need any but very confusing.

I'll save the hassle of questioning it like an investigation, it's not cleared up but I don't want to harass. Nothing the mods said have given me any reason to think it's not exactly how I said from the beginning of this thread.

The conclusion is I never agree or can understand the clean up incident but are moving on now without dwelling on it.

[Dean Plejaren]

One more thing. I think it is a realistic danger that opinions will be suppressed under any structure of centralized power that considers people and things as privately owned.

[dayzero]

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[Jack]

But notice something when you do this......Remember the policies of anti-terrorism laws? What does it end up doing?


Hi Dean

You've raised some pretty interesting questions, questions which are in no doubt on the tip of other peoples thounges as well. The policies of Anti-Terrorist laws are made with the intent of creating an invisible prison around the people in which the end result favours the elite. The rules created here at Avalon are made with the intent of genuinely creating value for the people of this forum and thus the end result will inevitibly be different.


How do you protect people? By putting the power in the hands of a few people?



If we had no rules the forum would degenerate into total chaos. We have already witnessed this earlier on in the forums existance where a few choose to spread negativity and fear, as well as some well placed tactical remarks about the moderators, Bill and Kerry and as a result of this some of the more productive members left the forum. While there are tigers in a zoo you will always need a way of protecting the visitors from their destructive little claws.


I am not trying to argue this is just open discussion about things. It's my view that the foundation of something will determine how strong it will be.


Open discussion is healthy and is more then welcome here. The moderators of Avalon, unlike the 'PTB' are more then happy to explain their actions honestly. There are no secrets here.


All that Avalon is for I am supporting, but this is just how I think. I'm not demanding anything just being transparent about how I think.

And again i would like to thank you for your thoughts. There are many people who have a sense of paranoia about the forum and why it needs to be moderated. Openness, honesty and integrity are values we hold very highly here and the moderators do their utmost to keep the forum healthy and balanced but I would like to remind everyone that it is essential that we put rules in place, there are nefarious people that visit here as many are already aware, who's sole purpose is to divide us which would eventually lead to the disintigration of the forum.


All the best,

Jack

[Jenny]

""You can't stop people arguing forcefully without a regression, that is part of the process of resolving present frictions. Forcefully banning average people is going backwards. You can say they deserve to be banned and it was all correct but I wasn't born yesterday.
I wasn't born yesterday either Dean. :mfr_lol:

P.S
When you own a site that doesn't mean you own the people. Nor does it mean they are in your territory to order them as you please. This is what causes illusions that make you think certain people are above the rule of other people. It's not a pyramid. You strip people of their right to be themself."""


If you have that little autonomy and so little knowledge of who you really are I can understand why you are feeling being ordered around.
If your level of autonomy is low I can imagine you feel or think that some people are above the rule of other people.
I would like to encourage you to face the truth on what your personal level of selfempowerment really is, not dwell and indulge in the illusion of what you like to think it is.
If your autonomy would be high leveled and strong you would not feel stripped of anything as it is impossible for someone else to strip you of anything. You are the one doing it to yourself and that is a choice you are free to uphold and stand for.

I respect your free will and the path you choose.

We all are an ongoing project.
Still evolving.

[scanner]

Hi:welcomeani: this is a place of wounderful information I've found some fantastic links and spoken with like minded ppl. It's like any new site lots of interest at first and as time moves on so do ppl looking for more sites to stimulate there minds ,everyone is different .

I don't let others influence me one way or the other . I investigate for myself I make my own judgments then act accordingly. when the time is right for me I will decide when to move and not some persons viewpoint :thumbdown:.

So remember why this site was started THE GROUND CREW and survive whats coming, be ready.

Love to you all :thumb_yello:

[Dean Plejaren]

A few things are clear that you can't cover up and that is what I already stated above.
Jenny, it's not me that is in the delusion it's clear that moderation is power that is used in discernment it's not some illusion that people can be ordered around by the moderators influence. Are the Moderators a reflection of 5000 or so members? No they are the reflection of the owners who accepted them. The structure of it is clear so you can't pretend centralization isn't capable of a function of control. That is just laws of nature not me in a delusion. If I felt ordered around or powerless without knowing why would I disagree and say what is the truth. I am not doing anything to myself other than saying what is. That is not stripping me of anything it's making myself clear in relation to what is mistaken.

If we had no rules the forum would degenerate into total chaos.

It's not the rules that are upholding things, it's peoples interpretation and implementation of them. When you let people think for themself and make up their own rules to lead themself it leaves less room for mistakes. You are incorrect things degenerate into chaos. That only happens when people are not taking responsibility for themself. That isn't suppose to be the job of one or two people. There is a serious misconception going on here that is causing major problems. The source of division negativity and fear is ever more clear.

Whatever the intention is, centralization restricts people to the minds of a few and what they allow. When you get to the amount of people coming to this forum it really begins to effect peoples ability to communicate believe it or not that is how it works.

What I know is true is what I know. I can't conform and pretend something is not happening when it is. The way you handle these problems that you moderators constantly try to solve is you eliminate rules and allow diversity rather than conforming to specific policies that only foster what you are trying to eliminate. Which is a lack of leadership in people and a lack of allowing them to take responsibility. That is the core of all the problems no matter what you want to decide.

And would it go into chaos? Maybe at first it would seem to collapse because you have already structured it that way. In this society people do not think for themself for so long that they are now dependent and not capable of making proper decisions. They are not critical thinking because what has being taken away? The freedom to take responsibility for themself and others without some mediator enforcing conduct. This enforcement is the cause of the problems not the solution. how do I know that because its simple. Written rules are restrictions that do not justify or solve the problems that they would claim to be solving. The nature of reality dictates any rules are nothing more than extra obstructions. The only thing that can work is unity and co-operation for the empowerment of the individual not centralization of decisions.

Since I don't agree with the entire structure of it maybe you should ban me. I'm not sure what you should do if I was in that position I would listen to me and follow what works. All I know is what I said is right. Anything else is not my problem.

[Xhaosis]

Even here LAWS must be followed...


Usually people who have a problem following the laws, have a problem with themselves. Almost always they enjoy sharing their problems with those who will listen.. Or pretend to listen.. Their is confusion between freedom and liberty... Need I say more..

[Jenny]

Hi Dean,

I understand where you come from and I admit I do have mod powers.

And you don't.

BUT;

I live in various circumstances and situations where people can tell me what to do.
I don't care.

I can be who I am everywhere, whatever the rules OR laws are.

I act from a level of sovereignty and autonomy and I always have a choice.
I can change myself. Not you. You can change yourself, I cannot.

I choose to be here and to be a mod.
:original:
What is your choice?

[Dean Plejaren]

You know my choice it's that the only "laws" I follow is the law of nature. Since it is the only real law I have no problem following it and it would be unwise not to. I have a problem following something that doesn't work because I know it will be problematic. That's why I was pointing out why something doesn't work and why I don't follow it.

This is the point of why the bans and clean up is bias. The only way to solve it is what you see as the problem. People who seen what happened agree with me and those banned know they were not treated in a balanced way. So it's trivial what you want to justify it as when I have already explained the entire thing of why it's unbalanced and doesn't work.


...and does this mean I want to complain? No....It just means I'm interested enough in the forum at this time to comment what I am observing. My focus is on it because of the massive effects it has on everyone that come here. Negativity and complaining is totally different this is something logical which I have thought about carefully for the benefit of everyone in order to explain it. It deserves more thought you brush it off as if it wasn't important in defensive mode yet this is the difference between harmony and suffering. Not just here but everywhere on the planet.

P.S
I made it clear in pm the guidelines are not binding me, I made a thread why they don't bind me. Clearly I am stating I don't agree to comply with guidelines for said reasons as a binding contract only to uphold respect to other people as I would do on my own without the guidelines anyway. I have made it clear I do not consider this private property or that my rights are a privilege given to me under certain condition of someone else. I have no concept of being owned with conditions that I have to comply with.

Yet there is no ban up to this point because why? Because there was some degree of non mindless thinking that I was a sensible person and could respect people. Yet according to the guidelines I should be banned because I don't agree that they bind me to comply. So what is going on with it? You have to make a clear distinct decision. Either agree guidelines and rules can only be a means of exploitation that are not a valid agreement or there is no room for me to exist in the paradigm that I am existing in. Either accept the new paradigm and evolve or ignore and ban me. But I will continue the same understanding that we should be our own leader and co-operate for the empowerment of the individual.

[Myplanet2]

Dean. Do you think your could clearly word a post that says exactly what it is you are seeing here, that you believe not to be working?

I can't get a sense of what you're on about from what you've said so far. I don't understand what you're saying exactly.

[symbolon]

No doubt many of them are working on themselves and their inner life, becoming better versions of themselves, becoming better human beings...creating a better future. Just maybe people are busy doing just that? In any case. it's not the quantity of our membership but the quality.

[Greg10036]

There are a lot of people on Avalon, and even more lurkers. Something you might be sensing is that a lot of people who initially took part in the discussions have been dismissed by people who read a book and have become the guru expert. When someone shares how scared or confused they are by what they perceive is going on in the world, the crystal gazers admonish them and put them down. What has turned me off is that there are a lot of contactees on the forum and rather than ask them what is going on, attention is given to people who say the sky is falling in and their only credential to say that is that they have a bunch of books they want to sell. I am encouraged though. The thread on heart path and people saying they believe nothing the book sellers say is a step towards waking up. This forum is a microcosm of the hu-man condition. If you wonder what is the reason the world is in the state it is in, look at what people say and how they say it on this forum. Look at how people put people down. Look at how book readers and book sellers think they know everything. It is instructive. I see many lost opportunities for communication on this forum. Peace.
g.

[Xhaosis]

There are a lot of people on Avalon, and even more lurkers. Something you might be sensing is that a lot of people who initially took part in the discussions have been dismissed by people who read a book and have become the guru expert. When someone shares how scared or confused they are by what they perceive is going on in the world, the crystal gazers admonish them and put them down. What has turned me off is that there are a lot of contactees on the forum and rather than ask them what is going on, attention is given to people who say the sky is falling in and their only credential to say that is that they have a bunch of books they want to sell. I am encouraged though. The thread on heart path and people saying they believe nothing the book sellers say is a step towards waking up. This forum is a microcosm of the hu-man condition. If you wonder what is the reason the world is in the state it is in, look at what people say and how they say it on this forum. Look at how people put people down. Look at how book readers and book sellers think they know everything. It is instructive. I see many lost opportunities for communication on this forum. Peace.
g.


Profound!!

I agree completely. Never has time like these times occurred in our history. In the old days things in the World would happen and people would have time digest these things a slow process, yet more personal, to ones self. Now we have the Internet message boards, and just great influx of paranoia, false prophets and of course snake oil salesmen, that can guarantee a understanding. Oh not to mention new religions, 2012, etc. etc. and whatnot. The waking up part is easy, either will do it on our own, or they'll unplug us I suppose. I think our job is to just inform people the World will not stop spinning, life will go on one way or another whether, WE believe what your preaching or not. WITHOUT getting into petty arguments on the internet. This should be a support board, not a board of passing or sensationalizing nonsense. What saddens me is someone has to tell us how to be. Instead of us already knowing how to act...

[Dean Plejaren]

Dean. Do you think your could clearly word a post that says exactly what it is you are seeing here, that you believe not to be working?

I can't get a sense of what you're on about from what you've said so far. I don't understand what you're saying exactly.

Read very carefully my last post that I edited. Maybe read it twice or 3 times. You will understand what I said is true if you have the wisdom to see it.

[ophiuchus]

the site becomes more active the more camelot publishes. bill and kerry uued to put out a much higher volume? curious why not as much or as frequent anymore. have they lost interest, gotten captured, informants rebeled.............etc?!

[Carol]

I would just like to clear up some misperceptions about the selection of mods. First off every mod started off as a member just like everyone else. Some members volunteered and a few were picked out by Bill. Almost all mod selection is based on two things. The first being the quality of the posts the member is making and the second is the collective input from all of the other mods. We are looking at the individual communication style to check if the potential member mod can deal with conflict that arises between members when discussions become a bit intense.

Some members posts come to the attention of a mod through their interaction on the forums and that person may be recruited to be a mod as well. Again, all mods must agree the potential mod would be a fit for the type of work that is needed. Some of the members recruited, once on board as a mod, realized this wasn't something they wanted to do. This was where the highest attrition took place among members who were recruited as mods as compared to members who volunteered to help.

There is a lot of work that goes on beind the scenes and as a result, the real fun of posting on the forums is often put on the back-burner when being a mod as the mod role tends to take a lot of time and energy just to cover the different time zones.

I hope this explains a bit about the process.

[Xhaosis]

Perhaps, this is a site or a place to learn from to help finding ones self, at a time, to become someone else. Afterwards Who knows. People need to find their own way I believe, not have someone else find it for themselves..

I dunno Anymore.. Not even sure why I am here. I am also sure I will be gone as well, when I become someone else as well. The journey of life. We must keep moving on. :original: hopefully everyone can find peace if just for a moment.. A form of grace without questioning why.

[THE eXchanger]

well; to my knowledge
they both have been travelling for sep/oct/and, novermber,
and, it is have to travel/work
and, spend time to post anything

i think, you will be hearing a lot more
from both of them, in the next 3 month period
NOV/DEC/and, JAN

i am glad to hear, that they are spending
time investing, in the moderators,
as, that is good news

cheers
susan
the eXchanger

[Myplanet2]

the site becomes more active the more camelot publishes. bill and kerry uued to put out a much higher volume? curious why not as much or as frequent anymore. have they lost interest, gotten captured, informants rebeled.............etc?!

Good question.

The perfect place to ask that one, is the proposed new sub forum where you'll be able to post questions to Bill and Kerry directly, and get their answers.

I know they have some things being prepared for future release, and some scheduled interviews.

posting about these things is their prerogative, so stay tuned.

Lots of exciting new stuff on the horizon.

[Dean Plejaren]

What saddens me is someone has to tell us how to be. Instead of us already knowing how to act...

Hows the guidelines for telling you what you should already know?

Is it productive not to think for ourself? I don't think so it's detrimental void agreements.

Face it if we have to read guidelines we must be worse than sheep. We must not know what is right and wrong. We must have serious problems if we need written guidelines to function.

I believe moderators are capable of proper decisions on their own as is everyone.

But you don't have that instead you have rules where we are encouraged not to think. No wonder we can't get along if we don't want to think about it and make an effort.

[Xhaosis]

Hows the guidelines for telling you what you should already know?

Is it productive not to think for ourself? I don't think so it's detrimental void agreements.

Face it if we have to read guidelines we must be worse than sheep. We must not know what is right and wrong. We must have serious problems if we need written guidelines to function.

I believe moderators are capable of proper decisions on their own as is everyone.

But you don't have that instead you have rules where we are encouraged not to think. No wonder we can't get along if we don't want to think about it and make an effort.


Hmmm.. I believe your being grotesque with the truth.. As far as trying to be careful with complexity, you also have to understand you will be right sometimes, just not right for your liking. Once again, knowing and being told how to act, the being told how to act part is immature. Knowing how to act is a form of maturity. Yet with such a active state of immediate information and the desire for immediate conversation about it to the world leaves a resentment and trivial aspect about how everyone wishes to see the world. Which therefore creates a active yet hastened way of the World. Our interpretations is not as a whole, it is as individual and it is spread across our World with a speed of light never seen before. Until we can adapt to such a force of nature, we will be unable to grasp and understand the truth's of the World. :tears: This once again is the part of evolution that we must accept or we must accept we can reach no higher.. Then again who is to say this is what we need.. Finding our own way I believe is more important then following the flock.
With that said we also have to consider this is not JUST your World. You share it. Treating it with respect just as the other inhabitants as well. Not questioning it. By doing so you will never get a answer of your liking. EVER..

[GregorArturo]

I didn't read this whole thread, however, I wanted to share my perspective. I am presenting this in a completely positive attitude, as some may see it different. As the sixth day has arrived upon us, I feel the era of Avalon and the internet are coming near an end. In terms of analyzing the patterns of how life/society is moving, I feel the time of waking up for many of us is coming to an end (even though there are still many more to wake up, but I feel the guides/leaders of these times are coming together), to where it is an era of action and engagement. I myself have started to network with Avalon members and others in person which have all been very enlightening experiences. My advice is for that people should really strive to find these connections with people in the 'real world'. I myself will not leave Avalon but my presence here will start to become more and more limited.

My research has just started to leave the drawing board and going to go into experimentation mode, even more hopefully leading to other things and networking. Who knows, maybe even the Orion Project. With the information you have, get out into the world. Engage your friends and family. Don't preach. Just try to make them think. Avoid the fear mongering facts, and stick to simple notions of beauty and truth. It requires one simple spark to go off in that noggin of theirs and that's all it takes.

And please take caution. I have encountered much more positivity than ever before lately, but within the balance of things, I have encountered more extreme negativity alongside these experiences. Disinformation seems to be more rampant than ever. Connecting to your higher self, and developing your spiritual/psychic side will be your greatest tool in shuffling through and learning new information. In terms of friendships that have been growing, as beautiful as the intangible words we share with each other may be, I still stress the need for 'real world' connections. Truth can only be seen through the eyes of another, not a voice.

Avalon, along with the internet as a whole, has passed its peak as a beneficial tool, however, it is still a tool nonetheless. Use it wisely. Thank you Bill and Kerry for everything, and thank you members of Avalon for contributing to a beautiful moment in human history. Namaste.

[Xhaosis]

I didn't read this whole thread, however, I wanted to share my perspective. I am presenting this in a completely positive attitude, as some may see it different. As the sixth day has arrived upon us, I feel the era of Avalon and the internet are coming near an end. In terms of analyzing the patterns of how life/society is moving, I feel the time of waking up for many of us is coming to an end (even though there are still many more to wake up, but I feel the guides/leaders of these times are coming together), to where it is an era of action and engagement. I myself have started to network with Avalon members and others in person which have all been very enlightening experiences. My advice is for that people should really strive to find these connections with people in the 'real world'. I myself will not leave Avalon but my presence here will start to become more and more limited.

My research has just started to leave the drawing board and going to go into experimentation mode, even more hopefully leading to other things and networking. Who knows, maybe even the Orion Project. With the information you have, get out into the world. Engage your friends and family. Don't preach. Just try to make them think. Avoid the fear mongering facts, and stick to simple notions of beauty and truth. It requires one simple spark to go off in that noggin of theirs and that's all it takes.

And please take caution. I have encountered much more positivity than ever before lately, but within the balance of things, I have encountered more extreme negativity alongside these experiences. Disinformation seems to be more rampant than ever. Connecting to your higher self, and developing your spiritual/psychic side will be your greatest tool in shuffling through and learning new information. In terms of friendships that have been growing, as beautiful as the intangible words we share with each other may be, I still stress the need for 'real world' connections. Truth can only be seen through the eyes of another, not a voice.

Avalon, along with the internet as a whole, has passed its peak as a beneficial tool, however, it is still a tool nonetheless. Use it wisely. Thank you Bill and Kerry for everything, and thank you members of Avalon for contributing to a beautiful moment in human history. Namaste.

I am also someone who caught the tail end of your writtings, and have enjoyed them.. I also agree, my time here as well, is not limitless, the World is leaving me behind the longer I stay. This is a luxury I am going to have let go of. With the ever so changing face of the world, getting bloodier and bloodier I believe one cannot be so careful anymore within the confines of just their mind. It is time to start a new beginning in this brave new World of ours, working to either maintain the threads that make the fabric of this great idea, or be a part of the ever changing idea of a new fabric. I used to believe no one was listening, yet with all the conversations so full of information, how can it not be applied to the WORLD..

Let us do our best, in what we think is right. Doing so perhaps will get the attention of success..

[DoctorJac]

In fact the answer is simpler.

"There is only one of us here."

A..

Nice!!! Well, here we are. :original:

[giovonni]

Greeting's Avalonians,
Remember, this forum is less than 3 months old. Its introduction, coincided with (and mirrored), the tailspinning events of our world's collasping socio-economic bubble. Now, with (elections, world reactions, and reality) all sinking in; a time of adjustment is the rule. Enlightenment, commands much attention, reflection and just plain hard work. Most here, I believe, are coming too understand, the reasons why they found their way here> to this forum. While, some have already run for the hills, others realize, there is still> much more sharing of info, love and encouragement to be gained. When the time comes, for each of us to move on, it will be realized. Until then, take advantage of this place, whether you fully agree or disagree with its rules and content. My best to all here, giovonni

And yes, more retreating within oneself (meditation) is the key for spiritual growth and our survival!

[DoctorJac]

Another thought I had after re-reading Gregor's post, which I thought was extremely thoughtful, was that there are for some of us, and I should speak for only myself, a constantly evolving awareness that requires much stewardship within. That, along with my recognition that I need to reach out to others as much as possible regardless of the context or forum, is what recently brought me to this particular site. This truth is what will likely lead me away from it as well when I've brought all that I can bring here.

Because I have the good fortune/destiny of being where I am now, I realize that there is a responsibility for me to begin bringing what I have learned to others. It's not the facts and figures about the constructive/destructive dualities and doohickies of this world we face daily that I wish to share. (even though I've learned all about that, I've found that info doesn't find a home in most people anyway). It is about sharing what I've LEARNED; and that, for me is sharing the whole of who I am. One thing I have learned, and to again echo Gregor is that what we are participating in collectively is a local manifestation of a universal phenomenon in which there is the interaction of opposing forces.

The subjectivity of our viewpoint determines our experience of the shifting manifestations of that phenomenon. To some what is happening is a coming to the "promised land" and for others it is an "Inferno". Terrible and wonderful. I can choose either or both for my experience regardless of what occurs. That's what I've learned, what anyone does with that is up to them.

There are some who are going through this process at the same time, and hopefully we can help raise each other up. I'm doing this to the greatest physical extent in the world around me, away from the computer; and it is fortunate that what little time I do spend on the computer can be shared with those in this process. I and others that I meet in person have our own versions of Avalon happening. Perhaps we can treat this forum as a vine, and we in our own physical contexts can become the branches of this vine; bringing forth Avalon where we are. It is apparent that this is needed right now. As we find it take root in our individual worlds, we will find a migration away from the vine; and as migrations tend to be, there can be a cyclic return.

As my uncle Bill who was a great healer and an "elder" in the truest sense said: "Let's look at the donut and not the hole." (he loved donuts)

With peace and grace,

Jac

[Karen]

Questions for Bill and Kerry
http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=7675

[Peer]

@Dean, you wrote:

I'm just stating how things are.

If I have made any assumptions in particular that are wrong feel free to point them out.

Well my dear dean you assume to know how things are.
In my humble opinion those assumptions are wrong.
You don't know half of what is going on nor do you see the mods being bashed.
It's great to see you defending the truth assuming you know the truth.

But have you read the forum guidelines?
I doubt it.
Internet is free as is the highway.
A forum is like a car on that freeway or a house on the side of it.

Sitting in that car or entering that house requires that you behave like a guest and the rules are made very clear in the avalon guidelines.
If people would come into my house yelling and screaming and insultiing me in my own house I have the right to kick them out faster than they can fly and I would not call that censorship.

I do run a forum myself and the rules are very clear.
If anyone has a problem with that he/she is free to go whether he/she claims to know or speak the truth or not.
If someone dashes in to tell me how to run my own forum he or she has obviously not read the forumguidelines.
He or she will get a warning and if his or her attitude doesn't change he or she gets banned and that is my right as a forum owner and it is my duty as well because in the guidelines I promised that the ones sharing the intentions the forum was meant for would be protected from people bumping in trying to rip things apart and breaking the whole thing up and believe me:
There are people that have no other intentions than doing just that.

Remember it is only your truth you speak and as long as you keep that in mind I will listen to you because I want to learn something from you but untill now I must honestly say that I haven't seen one item posted by you that could hold my attention longer than a few seconds.

As far as I am concerned I think you should behave as the guidelines suggest.
Behave like a guest and start posting interesting threads in stead of climbing your old Rosinante and attacking the windmills my dear Quichote.

Your humble servant Sancho Pansja.

And you also wrote:

You know my choice it's that the only "laws" I follow is the law of nature.

That also means that if you meet a bear you're probably the one that gets eaten

[SIR GALAHAD]

I would just like to clear up some misperceptions about the selection of mods. First off every mod started off as a member just like everyone else. Some members volunteered and a few were picked out by Bill. Almost all mod selection is based on two things. The first being the quality of the posts the member is making and the second is the collective input from all of the other mods. We are looking at the individual communication style to check if the potential member mod can deal with conflict that arises between members when discussions become a bit intense.

Some members posts come to the attention of a mod through their interaction on the forums and that person may be recruited to be a mod as well. Again, all mods must agree the potential mod would be a fit for the type of work that is needed. Some of the members recruited, once on board as a mod, realized this wasn't something they wanted to do. This was where the highest attrition took place among members who were recruited as mods as compared to members who volunteered to help.

There is a lot of work that goes on beind the scenes and as a result, the real fun of posting on the forums is often put on the back-burner when being a mod as the mod role tends to take a lot of time and energy just to cover the different time zones.

I hope this explains a bit about the process.

Yes carol you did start of as a member and i listened to you once and watched your post
and i got to tell you how much you have changed you have become like many other mods on here very abrasive and quite protective of many things

[Dean Plejaren]

Peer I have read the guidelines I understand the principles behind it all. You are in this paradigm of ownership and you think things are not restricted as you never thought out side of the box of what may be possible with people so you have never seen any obstruction to anything cause of lack of imagination. Then you blame me and say I am not valid about it. Which is fine ok but it doesn't add up logically. When you own a forum it doesn't mean you have to do things exactly the same every time and that there is no other way. You have a right to make decisions to ban or whatever I'm just talking if you want to evolve and make things work better.

You say start acting like a guest. But I don't understand ownership culture. To me the trees land and everything is not owned. Including forums. Like white people telling the native Americans start acting like a guest. Well it does not work what guest? We are here on earth.

No-one owns things my thoughts aren't property just cause I'm on a forum doesn't mean I have to change myself. I don't see myself as a guest of anything. As for using guidelines as blackmail for me thinking for myself well it makes no difference what you think I should do I am still free to live how I want and with the consequences of it.

notice how you made the analogy of getting eaten. People are so mind controlled they are programed to have everything backwards, including the concept that the laws of nature are fake and not the law that is superimposed on it.

If I follow the laws of nature how will I get eaten by a bear? If you follow imaginary laws instead of nature without exception.......this is the symbol for you right here....


http://www.redicecreations.com/winterwonderland/biscione.jpg




I'm not saying how to run this particular forum nor am I "dashing in screaming and insulting". This place is not an exception to anywhere else on earth I treat it the same and I respect people the same. I am not invading anything or abusing anyone.

I think I have made it pretty clear where I stand I shouldn't have to clarify anymore.

[The thread split at this point. Go here http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=7740 to comment on the symbology, stay here in this thread to keep talking about the forum issues. Thanks! (no other edit made to this post)]

[Tuatha de Danann]

I usually check out this site every day when I can. I think this is a great site and is the only Fourm I belong to. I always find some useful information and great discussion. I think that things may have just leveled off as with anything new It starts out with great enthusiasim and winds down a bit after a while but will continue on. There is so much Info here It's a job just to take it all in. I myself don't post much " Does that makes me a Lurker?? Is that Bad? If so I've been called worse:mfr_lol: I think?" Anyway who can go back to sleep with all this noise going on, as for Obama, McCain, whoever, being elected, My opinion is "for what it's worth" that for the agenda it really doesn't matter who the president is. Obama may just have been a better sleeping pill of sorts than the others. But that's just me, Lets all go make another pot of coffee and see what else is up. Later. I hope.

[zorgon]

the useless fluff has been trimmed and there a less threads. quality not quantity??

trimming 'useless fluff' can be viewed as censorship. Who decides what is 'useless fluff' or what has value to someone? A person who accepts the official version of 9/11 will call all 9/11 conspiracy threads 'useless fluff' or worse...

Either there is freedom of expression, or there is control... can't have it both ways..

Cut off freedom of expression, you should expect membership to decline

Simple really 'Selective Whistle Blowing' is the same as "Government coverup' in my books:thumbdown:

[Martian Tigress]

I haven't posted lately because there hasn't been any need to. I am continuing to do my meditation and energy work, and I check back at least once a week to see if there is anything of interest. A number of times when I have signed in, there were a goodly number of people on the forum, so the day-to-day totals are seeming to me to be very similar each time I've logged in.

With regard to banned/lack of communication skills issues--

I think that a fair few of the arguments that break out at this forum are active attempts at sidetracking issues/disrupting the forum. Having kept an eye open for awhile now, I notice that arguments tend to cluster along certain threads/subjects, and I will just observe that it would certainly suit the purpose of anyone whose aim is to squelch the forum to have 'active warfare' incited between posters and moderators, and between individual posters.

At any rate, I am still here. It is not necessary to say something every day, and so I don't.

Peace,

Martian Tigress

[Myplanet2]

trimming 'useless fluff' can be viewed as censorship. Who decides what is 'useless fluff' or what has value to someone? A person who accepts the official version of 9/11 will call all 9/11 conspiracy threads 'useless fluff' or worse...

Either there is freedom of expression, or there is control... can't have it both ways..

Cut off freedom of expression, you should expect membership to decline

Simple really 'Selective Whistle Blowing' is the same as "Government coverup' in my books:thumbdown:

Some former members have posted pornography. sometimes control is desirable.

[Made_in_Brazil]

"A few people were banned because of offensive attitudes. I don't know of any that were banned for posting "doom and gloom" info".

Ah, that's nice to hear, Mod. Thanks!

I'm afraid some people were intimidated to post as they feared to be seen as dark-siders, whenever they presented 'gloom & doom' questions or threads. It's my perspective that I don't need to be baby-sitted as for what I should or should not read, be it 'doom & gloom' or 'love & light'. I can sort them all out of my own and decide for myself where my mind should or should not be.
No Thought Police! Thank ya!

[whitecrow]

Well, there really is not much to talk about on this forum...
You can only go on and on about preparedness for so long...

People like to talk about getting down and dirty, they like the drama. They like to THINK about getting together and forming groups for sustainability and survival and preparedness. But then a call goes out for a group to form in this area or that one, and the silence is deafening.

You can only go on and on about anything for so long, and if you don't act sooner or later people will notice you're not serious.

The ET thing wore itself out because nobody can present any credible evidence that they exist. I happen to think they do, but where's the relevance?

Channeling's dead because all the channelers who predicted the ETs would show up made fools of themselves. I happen to think that some channels are genuine, but anyone with a toothy grin and a good rap can call themselves a channel or a reincarnated panda bear, and who's to argue? Sheesh, I can't believe how gullible people can be. Is it just because our schools suck?

Did someone say there were once 10,000 people here at one time? Betcha can't find twenty who are actually serious about finding and facing the truth and then acting on it, who have their heads on straight.

Sorry folks, I don't mean to be abrasive...but that's the way I see it. And this is NOT aimed at anyone in particular.

[Dean Plejaren]

whitecrow you want to make a bet? I am serious I've been trying to find people.
I've made threads about it I've been trying to get people together to organize it I even created a separate forum to discuss it.

few people are interested.

[Anchor]

Hi this thread has gone off topic.

We (Karen and I) are going to separate out the new off-topic (but on a new topic posts into a separate thread) - no messages are being deleted.

The new thread will be in Project Camelot Conspiracy Research here http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=7740

If you want to keep talking about why you think people are fewer on Avalon go right ahead here.

If you want to talk about symbology, please go there.

Thanks

Sorry if anyone disagrees with the action we have just taken.

A..

[whitecrow]

Sorry if anyone disagrees with the action we have just taken.

I'm sorry this has to be controversial. And I meant no disrespect.

As far as why there are fewer people and/or posts at Avalon lately, I gave my opinion and intend to leave it at that. I'm not here to whine about what people do or don't do.

Avalon is a vehicle as far as I am concerned. My personal message is not perfectly meshed with that of the founders, but there is no disharmony either, unless someone chooses to make it so. I neither agree nor disagree with the action taken. It is what it is.

[Dean Plejaren]

Anchor is definitely my favorite moderator lol.

[TranceAm]

Some former members have posted pornography. sometimes control is desirable.

Like this? http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=7737

Pornography had been used by the powers since the day of the first fotograph as a reason to censor for the children.

Are you sure they were "members" or just people that made a login to enable them to post ......