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Dean Plejaren
11-17-2008, 11:14 PM
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Peer I have read the guidelines I understand the principles behind it all. You are in this paradigm of ownership and you think things are not restricted as you never thought out side of the box of what may be possible with people so you have never seen any obstruction to anything cause of lack of imagination. Then you blame me and say I am not valid about it. Which is fine ok but it doesn't add up logically. When you own a forum it doesn't mean you have to do things exactly the same every time and that there is no other way. You have a right to make decisions to ban or whatever I'm just talking if you want to evolve and make things work better.

You say start acting like a guest. But I don't understand ownership culture. To me the trees land and everything is not owned. Including forums. Like white people telling the native Americans start acting like a guest. Well it does not work what guest? We are here on earth.

No-one owns things my thoughts aren't property just cause I'm on a forum doesn't mean I have to change myself. I don't see myself as a guest of anything. As for using guidelines as blackmail for me thinking for myself well it makes no difference what you think I should do I am still free to live how I want and with the consequences of it.

notice how you made the analogy of getting eaten. People are so mind controlled they are programed to have everything backwards, including the concept that the laws of nature are fake and not the law that is superimposed on it.

If I follow the laws of nature how will I get eaten by a bear? If you follow imaginary laws instead of nature without exception.......this is the symbol for you right here....


http://www.redicecreations.com/winterwonderland/biscione.jpg




I'm not saying how to run this particular forum nor am I "dashing in screaming and insulting". This place is not an exception to anywhere else on earth I treat it the same and I respect people the same. I am not invading anything or abusing anyone.

I think I have made it pretty clear where I stand I shouldn't have to clarify anymore.

Karen
11-18-2008, 06:48 AM
So is this the human being eaten by the dragon or is it the symbol of the human traveling through the "wormhole?"



If I follow the laws of nature how will I get eaten by a bear? If you follow imaginary laws instead of nature without exception.......this is the symbol for you right here....


http://www.redicecreations.com/winterwonderland/biscione.jpg

Reunite
11-18-2008, 06:56 AM
So is this the human being eaten by the dragon or is it the symbol of the human traveling through the "wormhole?"

It's the human traveling in their Alfa Romeo

http://i414.photobucket.com/albums/pp227/henryflowers33/600px-alfa_romeosvg.png

Dean Plejaren
11-18-2008, 07:11 AM
So is this the human being eaten by the dragon or is it the symbol of the human traveling through the "wormhole?"

Karen that is an interesting interpretation of the symbol. However why does it have a crown dragon face and sharp teeth if it was a wormhole.

I just noticed something looking at that symbol more closely. There is an infinity sign entangled in it and the human (or infant) is actually the tail of this thing. Like most serpent pictures that eat it's tail. but there is also an extra tail that is a path separate from the infinity sign.....maybe that is the wormhole integrated into it too.

The symbol was re-designed for this company. I think there is more to this..

In 1910 a draughtsman named Romano Cattaneo was given the job of coming up with a badge for a new Milan-based company, ALFA. The story goes that as he was waiting for a train at the Piazza Castello terminus in Milan, he gained inspiration from the great Visconti family's red cross and biscione (human child-bearing serpent) coat of arms emblazoned over the great door of Castello Sforzesco.

then I came across this.

Biscione-Italian Serpent Symbolism strikingly similar to Quetzalcoatl in Mayan ... It has been the emblem of the Italian Visconti family

Tracing that family back it ses that the symbols they used in their armory was derived from the time of the ancient Egyptians and even further back. It's an old ancient symbol and whatever it represents is significant.

Reunite
11-18-2008, 07:44 AM
I know it's going off topic abit but it's also found on Italian (Illuminati) Former Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi's Residence

http://i414.photobucket.com/albums/pp227/henryflowers33/berlusconisreptile.jpg

Dean Plejaren
11-18-2008, 07:51 AM
I went to trace down the biscione Italian serpent symbolism and it's connected me with 911 occult symbolism..........

It ses it's the brotherhood of the snake....

As far as I can tell, the first modern references to "The Brotherhood of the Snake" to be taken very seriously were made by the great William Cooper. He thought of the Brotherhood of the Snake as the source of all ancient mystery societies and the secret source of, above all, the Eleusinian Mysteries. The cults of Ra, Osiris, Orpheus, Isis, Dionysus, etc. were, in Cooper's view, partially corrupted emanations of this great Original Mystery. Cooper also felt that the original Bavarian Illuminati as conceived and founded by Weishaupt was little more than a front for The Brotherhood of the Snake. By extending this line of reasoning, we could say that all relevent Secret Societies even in the 21st century are emanations of, and perhaps even fronts for, this original secret society."

Karen
11-18-2008, 08:05 AM
Wormhole - does the little human look ecstatic, not like being eaten? Yes!

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/esp_autor_whenry01.htm
In the designs below from Egypt and Europe, the little souls is emerging jubilantly from the mouth of a Serpent (or worm hole). These express the passage "Osiris enters the tail of a great serpent, was drawn through its body and came out through its mouth, and was then born anew." The story of Jesus/Jonah and the whale mirrors this story.

Lots more good stuff on this page and this web site.
Check out this page of reptile links

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sumer_anunnaki/reptiles/reptiles.htm

Peace out,
Karen

Edit: perhaps the teeth are a trick - you wouldn't want the peasants to know about anything esoteric.

richard576
11-18-2008, 08:12 AM
They don't have houses any more

Karen
11-18-2008, 08:21 AM
This is one of my favorite topics I have not researched enough. Maybe we will need to split this off and make a new thread. I'll check with the other mods on that.

Its better to click the link and see ALL the pictures.
http://www.hiddenmysteries.org/author/henry/secrets_of_the_cathars.pdf
This bas-relief from Sion, Switzerland illustrates the medieval belief in the
concordance of the theft of the blue apples from the Anunnaki and the Crucifixion of
Jesus. Old Testament scenes are grouped together with the Passion of Jesus as if they
happened at the same time.

When put together with depictions of Jesus (E.A.?) as a serpent on the Cross the
message is clear: the Gnostic Crucifixion was a stargate or wormhole event.

Dean Plejaren
11-18-2008, 08:24 AM
Thanks karen.

Reunite
11-18-2008, 08:46 AM
Isn't it nice that occult serpent symbolism is bringing us together with praises and compliments.

Anyway Karen if you haven't Read 'The Biggest Secret' by David Icke you should if this info fascinates you.

Also Michael Tsarions lectures on sacred symbolism going back to Babylonian worship represented in the media today is a great view
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8875751284579583762

Anchor
11-18-2008, 08:54 AM
This thread has been constructed out of some off topic posts in another thread.

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Karen
11-18-2008, 10:06 AM
Hey, hey Reunite,

We have not crossed paths on the forum yet! Thank you for your contributions to the thread. Yes, I always like to see if the communication channels can be smoothed out. I think with a little effort and sometimes a lot of effort, 99% of the time it can be. It is usually just about misunderstandings.

I do have my own copy of the The Biggest Secret. and watched every Icke and Tsarion lecture I could find. I think whoever controls the earth is not human, not at the top levels, and maybe they do not even exist in this dimension. Like that children's cartoon movie, Monsters, Inc. about the "fear factory" being their source of energy and at the end the little girl turns them all on to love energy.

This thing about the snake being the wormhole though - maybe I missed it in the past - well I don't see it in the index of the Icke book but I have underlining and sticky tabs all over the place in that book. This snake symbolizing the wormhole seems quite recent. I know Tsarion says the snake in the Bible saved the second human creation from their masters or something like that. Maxwell Jordan is a great source too!

I would like to own a zillion books on these topics!

Karen

Isn't it nice that occult serpent symbolism is bringing us together with praises and compliments.

Anyway Karen if you haven't Read 'The Biggest Secret' by David Icke you should if this info fascinates you.

Also Michael Tsarions lectures on sacred symbolism going back to Babylonian worship represented in the media today is a great view
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8875751284579583762

Worlds Beyond 2
11-18-2008, 10:11 AM
hmmm.. just thinking... might seem totally crazy here.. but what if the Serpent/wormhole thing is the same as the 'dark tunnel' which I and many others have been through to 'other side' when had an NDE?? Am just pondering here!

Dean Plejaren
11-18-2008, 10:23 AM
Did you read that NDE I posted in the link? It's in the spirituality section. That was a guy experiencing going through a long tunnel into a different universe....

Worlds Beyond 2
11-18-2008, 10:33 AM
Not read it Dean, but will seek it our later and have a read..

the 'long tunnel' to the other side/universe is very common to NDE's.. I know the tunnel I went through was very long.. was moving (not static/fixed).. and was also very very dark !! Thank God there was a beautiful light at the end !! :original:

Reunite
11-18-2008, 09:11 PM
Hey hey hey karen,

Didn't realise you were pinpointing serpent symbology with wormholes alone. I'm not a big fan of the TV show Stargate SG-1 but have you see the references to serpents?

Here are the names of some titles in the first two seasons alone

'Within the Serpent's Grasp'
'The Serpent's Lair'
'Serpent's Song'

what are they telling us??

stal
11-19-2008, 03:17 AM
here are some interesting black-ops patches

http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/picture.php?albumid=274&pictureid=4819

http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/picture.php?albumid=274&pictureid=4820

http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/picture.php?albumid=274&pictureid=4821

http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/picture.php?albumid=274&pictureid=4817

http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/picture.php?albumid=274&pictureid=4816

http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/picture.php?albumid=274&pictureid=4818


also, imo there is a lot more to shows like sg-1 than many realise. zorgon has posted some interesting sg-1 info here;

http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/showpost.php?p=81447&postcount=4

Karen
11-19-2008, 03:44 AM
Hmm TV and movies are full of all kinds of symbols, mind control, attempts to influence time lines. Therefore, I've mostly opted out of those mediums including music which can be encoded with some nasty stuff. John Lennon said something just days or weeks before he was taken out. I posted a link somewhere on the forum. I've never seen an episode of SG-1.

What a day at Avalon. I'm getting EMF zapped by too much computer time. Better run off to another room!

Karen

Hey hey hey karen,

Didn't realise you were pinpointing serpent symbology with wormholes alone. I'm not a big fan of the TV show Stargate SG-1 but have you see the references to serpents?

Here are the names of some titles in the first two seasons alone

'Within the Serpent's Grasp'
'The Serpent's Lair'
'Serpent's Song'

what are they telling us??

Peer
11-19-2008, 08:20 PM
Hi Dean,
when there are people who think they have the freedom to stand on my toes I take the freedom to kick them there where they don't like it, being the natural law of the strongest.
I never see you using the expression: In my humble opinion, meaning that you can be wrong as well.
No hard feelings though as long as you don't stand on my toes and take my advice:
If you meet with a bear: Don't try to argue. Run like hell.

taadev
12-05-2008, 02:16 AM
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If I follow the laws of nature how will I get eaten by a bear? If you follow imaginary laws instead of nature without exception.......this is the symbol for you right here....


http://www.redicecreations.com/winterwonderland/biscione.jpg



This symbol could represent the keys to the 'kingdom' of the 'Rich men of the world' are through the use of children. I've written about this, in detail, in another post.

This is not some fantasy! Read Ted Gunderson (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vrl5Ti35Clk), CIA Finders (http://educate-yourself.org/cn/ciadrugsabusemurder.shtml), 'Who Killed JFK Jr.' (http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=26F20D81B86383A3&playnext=1), SVALI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQ-DkS-XOOM), and other programmers, to learn how any person, family, company can be overcome through 'little lambs', whose 'fleece' may be 'white as snow', but their hearts are gone, as are their brains. This through sex, serious trauma, and other unbelievably harsh treatments. These trigger personality disorders allowing them to be programmed into doing anything, assasination, 'misake' a company into bankrupcy, up to even killing themselves in the process.

The KEY to keeping this hidden is having multiple scenarios that can be logically alleged as truth, but only the highest level 'adepts' (http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Adepts) know which scenario is accurate.

This has been hidden in plain sight for a very long time. I believe the reason for the missing TOP of the pyramid is it's the key to knowing whether the data therein is aimed at an enemy or at a 'brother'. If the eye is (0) the data under is beneficial and for a brother, if it's closed (-) then it symbolized death and is geared towards perceived enemies. Think hierarchies as in the food chart.

taadev
12-05-2008, 04:16 AM
here are some interesting black-ops patches

also, imo there is a lot more to shows like sg-1 than many realise. zorgon has posted some interesting sg-1 info here;

http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/showpost.php?p=81447&postcount=4

You mean like all of us running to 'ascend' into a wraith 'cattle' ship? :mfr_lol:
(Or was that character designed to make us hesitate?)

One thing I've come to know is that not all 'Sci-Fi' is fiction.
(ie. Spock/Vulcans complete with \\ // four finger salute was viewed on an ancient and priceless artifact.)

Reminded me of the first time seeing an ancient clay vase with a 'Swastica' emblazoned thereon. It was one of those Kodak/WTF?? moments. My ex had to DRAG me out of that place, one could spend a week wondering large museums and researching what you find.

What an interesting read to learn how the swastika symbol was inverted to give off the opposite emotions with which it was originally imbued. It seemed to have been a symbol of luck and perhaps the wheel of life in other cultures.

taadev
12-05-2008, 04:53 AM
<snip>. John Lennon said something just days or weeks before he was taken out. I posted a link somewhere on the forum. I've never seen an episode of SG-1.

What a day at Avalon. I'm getting EMF zapped by too much computer time. Better run off to another room!

Karen

Interesting phrasing that seems to indicate you are aware of the worst form of mind control using kids as 'zombie' /suicide bombers.

Can you not deduce from this that lessor forms would be used as psyops against the children of activist/whistle-blowers? (See my rather lengthy first post.) I wonder why WIll Smith refused to send his kids to public school? Well informed guy and if you watch carefully you'll notice certain well informed parents pick their kids up at school and do NOT let them become outside friends with those met through school. Sad, but certain state of the union when certain teachers, vice-principals cannot be trusted to watch out for their charges. (Some KNOW exactly what's going on and others are motivated through the MOB effect and lies made up about the kids/parents.)

Is it not curious that the leaders of this Camelot torch would ignore such information that is affecting children, in AMERICA, today. (Not to mention their home state; many people are aware of this, but scared to death to get involved.)

Here, those in charge have no problems taking advantage of the naive and trusting children, elderly, sick, Spanish speaking crowd in many ways. (I've witnessed personally: tax R.E. tax levies when parents die:COMPLETELY ILLEGAL, 'misbilled' medical insurance by major hospitals, and organized mobbing in the 'public' schools.

I call it the 'Oops Business Model'
that makes big bucks off the back of those that can least afford it.
The MAFIA and likely the Rockefeller monster, La Raza are the foot soldiers of the criminals in charge of the s'elected' officials of the State of Cali.

The farther down you go It just gets curiouser and curiouser....

Do take notice of another FACT from a long time activist: activism has been deeply infiltrated and when one sees this sort of nonresponse by alleged leaders they get paranoid about have stumbled across yet another 'faux' activist group filled with well meaning members. (The 'leaders of these faux groups are bird dogging potential threats: Read as intellectuals that 'see too well' and/or have the abilities to stimulate crowds. i.e. taken from the COINTELPRO manuals as targets from the sixties.)

But of course our FBI, does not do this anymore as we've learned to use those employed by certain corps to add a layer of protection should any FBI offices AGAIN get burglarized.

If Separation of Church and State is good then Separation of Corp and State is Divine!:trumpet:

777 The Great Work
12-05-2008, 05:21 AM
I know it's going off topic abit but it's also found on Italian (Illuminati) Former Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi's Residence

http://i414.photobucket.com/albums/pp227/henryflowers33/berlusconisreptile.jpg

Emerging from the mouth of wisdom.

Karen
12-05-2008, 05:45 AM
Swallowed up by wisdom

I posted several links above - I do not believe this is a "swallowing" symbol, but a symbol of a person popping out through a "wormhole."

777 The Great Work
12-05-2008, 07:19 AM
I posted several links above - I do not believe this is a "swallowing" symbol, but a symbol of a person popping out through a "wormhole."

A philisohical death and rebirth
http://freshimagehosting.com/images/78k46jdhv8bztst22ef6.png (http://freshimagehosting.com/)


http://freshimagehosting.com/images/9too1ntumdse18bkvux.jpg

777 The Great Work
12-05-2008, 02:21 PM
[I have edited the spacing in this post for a little added clarity. Each picture has a comment added under it by 777 The Great Work, although it looks to be part of the info from the original reply to this thread, it is new information. Karen]

here are some interesting black-ops patches

http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/picture.php?albumid=274&pictureid=4819

Orion and the blazing star sirius.Maybe 2 ET groups with the ruleing power of the Dragon


http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/picture.php?albumid=274&pictureid=4820

Kundalini serpent raised


http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/picture.php?albumid=274&pictureid=4821

Never before Never again

http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/picture.php?albumid=274&pictureid=4817

Knowledge being supressed from the masses.


http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/picture.php?albumid=274&pictureid=4816T

The Bolt represents enlightenment comming without warning or destruction comming without warning in a flash like flash gordon comming through the clouds of ignorance that block out the light.O procul este, profaniFar hence be souls profane!This basically means not to be understood by the material thinking masses.

http://freshimagehosting.com/images/3l6iq46myx1y85p6i2ma.jpg

http://freshimagehosting.com/images/fudy7vni7fql956oh1hj.jpg (http://freshimagehosting.com/)


http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/picture.php?albumid=274&pictureid=4818

The dragon protecting with the power of orion. Orion is also known as the son of man and is symbolic of the divine in man.

also, imo there is a lot more to shows like sg-1 than many realise. zorgon has posted some interesting sg-1 info here;

http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/showpost.php?p=81447&postcount=4

procul este, profani
Far hence be souls profane!This basically means not to be understood my the material thinking masses.All of these patches represent the use of the feminine energy to cause destruction, except the medic patch

Karen
12-05-2008, 11:47 PM
Hi Taadev,

Yes, I am somewhat aware of the mind control being used on all of us, and of this horrendous use of children. I don't think I know near the detail about it that you do, and thus some of your comments/questions seem rather oblique [sideways, rather than straight on] and it is difficult to interpret what you are getting at here. Perhaps you could post some links for those that wish to learn more.

I do, however, very much object to your approach, not your content in this part: "Is it not curious that the leaders of this Camelot torch would ignore such information that is affecting children, in AMERICA, today. (Not to mention their home state; many people are aware of this, but scared to death to get involved.) "

1) You could ask this question without casting aspersions onto Camelot's leaders.
2) How do you know they are aware of this?
3) Have you contacted them about it?
4) Maybe it lies outside the immediate areas of interest for Bill and Kerry to investigate?
4) I did see one post that Bill and Kerry have the goal to someday interview an actual ET being. Your area of concern does not seem to me to be a stepping stone along that path.
5) They can only pick one thing at a time to follow up on and I know they go a lot by their gut and intuition on these matters of choice/who is truthtelling and who is lying.
6) Bill and Kerry cannot spend a lot of time reading on this forum, and it's like a needle in a haystack that even a moderator will come upon comments like your's that are begging for a factual, rather than assumptive answer.
7) If you have direct questions for them, and have not done so, send them an email (best option) (http://projectcamelot.net/contact.htm) or PM (Kerry Cassidy or Bill Ryan) one of them so they can answer for themselves about your accusations. But then again, this field of exposing the hidden hand is huge and it is not possible for them to answer every email they get. I get answers to some emails and not to others.
8) If you have not done so, please send them the contact information for witnesses. Even if they cannot answer you, they can at least consider putting this on the table for future areas of investigation.

I do know that in my home state of Oregon there are multiple known cases of beautiful young girls (parents being falsely accused of cause to remove the child) being taken from a parent/the parents by Children's Protective Services, and purposely handed over into foster care where they are used in kiddie porn productions and other disgusting and related activities. It is a centuries-old nationwide/global operation that uses both boys and girls. I've read the Boystown story or maybe it was a film I watched. Sickening yes, and someone has to step up to the plate to expose and stop this abuse that is as old as humankind on this planet - but maybe that is not what Bill and Kerry signed up for this time around. This is indeed a VERY dangerous arena to dip your toe into. It sounds more like a huge-in-itself specialty area of interest for any brave soul that would dare to look that way, let alone take a step in it's direction.

Below you present information (because you know it so well) that is so disjointed from the average person's knowledge of this that it would be helpful to see more transitional info/direct web links. And then maybe someone will become activated that this is indeed their mission this time around.

Love is who we are,
Karen

Interesting phrasing that seems to indicate you are aware of the worst form of mind control using kids as 'zombie' /suicide bombers.

Can you not deduce from this that lessor forms would be used as psyops against the children of activist/whistle-blowers? (See my rather lengthy first post.) I wonder why WIll Smith refused to send his kids to public school? Well informed guy and if you watch carefully you'll notice certain well informed parents pick their kids up at school and do NOT let them become outside friends with those met through school. Sad, but certain state of the union when certain teachers, vice-principals cannot be trusted to watch out for their charges. (Some KNOW exactly what's going on and others are motivated through the MOB effect and lies made up about the kids/parents.)

Is it not curious that the leaders of this Camelot torch would ignore such information that is affecting children, in AMERICA, today. (Not to mention their home state; many people are aware of this, but scared to death to get involved.)

Here, those in charge have no problems taking advantage of the naive and trusting children, elderly, sick, Spanish speaking crowd in many ways. (I've witnessed personally: tax R.E. tax levies when parents die:COMPLETELY ILLEGAL, 'misbilled' medical insurance by major hospitals, and organized mobbing in the 'public' schools.

I call it the 'Oops Business Model'
that makes big bucks off the back of those that can least afford it.
The MAFIA and likely the Rockefeller monster, La Raza are the foot soldiers of the criminals in charge of the s'elected' officials of the State of Cali.

The farther down you go It just gets curiouser and curiouser....

Do take notice of another FACT from a long time activist: activism has been deeply infiltrated and when one sees this sort of nonresponse by alleged leaders they get paranoid about have stumbled across yet another 'faux' activist group filled with well meaning members. (The 'leaders of these faux groups are bird dogging potential threats: Read as intellectuals that 'see too well' and/or have the abilities to stimulate crowds. i.e. taken from the COINTELPRO manuals as targets from the sixties.)

But of course our FBI, does not do this anymore as we've learned to use those employed by certain corps to add a layer of protection should any FBI offices AGAIN get burglarized.

If Separation of Church and State is good then Separation of Corp and State is Divine!:trumpet:

Karen
12-06-2008, 07:38 AM
Hello again Tim,

I see from other posts that is your name.

When I remembered you mentioned in this thread there is more information in another thread, I finally went out a did a search for it. If you can think of economy of effort for the collective good, then I think you can see the logic when I ask, in the future for you to open another browser window and take a moment to go fetch the link and post it for everyone. Now imagine the collective energy for 10 or 50 people to have to go search for it on their own vs. you know where it is and you just go get it. I have so many things on my list to do for Avalon that I forgot about that part of your post, and then I took quite the convoluted path full of distractions before I finally made it to the original post you speak of. I think this is it:

http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=7781

You have quite the informative thread going there, and I found answers to most of my questions in reply to your stand alone post here in this thread, although it is so long I'm only half way through it and I do have to go on to other things.

OK, so you have written to Bill and Kerry several times and have had no reply. You don't even know if the emails made it through. One person in the other thread indicates you come across as someone needing to be on medication - which is of course what "they" delight in -- to make your telling of your story to sound so crazy this is indeed one way to make people diss you as a nutjob. "They" are obviously incredibly cruel including that you have received threats to your very life.

All this does make the target (you) feel very paranoid about everything that happens, including why Bill and Kerry have not answered your emails. From my point of view, the answer is this: although I have not seen all of the Camelot material, your information seems quite distant from their current track of investigation.

I always want to cook up solutions for these types of matters that arise, and I think I will suggest a type of canned response like - Thank you very much for the information you sent. Although we are investigating different topics at this time, we will keep it on file for possible future investigations. I will point out though the contact page does say they can read but not possibly answer all email. http://projectcamelot.org/contact.htm.

I will even go one step further and see if I can get Bill to give you a response either on the forum or privately. I keep saying that not getting answers to questions has been one of the big problems when this board exploded in size so fast the team could not keep up with it. People eventually begin to make all kinds of far out assumptions, and humans are very prone to be lead around by suggestions when another is accused of having devious motives.

Hope this helps,
Karen

PS: This discussion is off topic for the snake/wormhole/symbology thread. If there is any part you wish to continue to discuss please copy it over to your first thread - http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=7781. Thanks much!

taadev
12-11-2008, 05:21 PM
Re:Are the described tactics against children, elderly and Spanish speakers going on in a city/county near you?

Karen,
Apologies, in advance as this is likely to be disjointed and have many typos as a terrible nights sleep struck two nights in a row. I've been researching many issues and have been simultaneously dealing with the tactics used against me; it's does cause me to bounce around a lot as there are greater issues that I'll sign in later and correct/clarify these items.

The extent of the corruption is coming as a bit of a shock and it can be very upsetting and how to manage the feelings are still being learned. My whole world has been turned upside down; so much that was thought to be true now appears to have been wrong. Also the references were not tracked and what I do recall will not be as strong as it could and will be in the future.

After several attempts at contacting both of Camelot's leaders, interestingly one representing an American persona and the other one of the British, the emails were seemingly ignored. However, another attempt at contact was made. This from two separate email addresses, giving them both the benefit of the doubt, by assuming the emails might have been 'eaten' by 'carnivore'. [Yes, 'PEER', or whatever other 'team player' will attempt to play the 'mental health' card, I know, 'Carnivore', nor teachers, nor hospitals, nor county officials would EVER do such things, except they do and I've witnessed them as have others some more easily coerced.]

I must profess being largely ignorant of the stories of King Author, but is not the imagery of Camelot one of a safe harbor where 'white knights' save the poor, helpless, and largely innocent masses from the largely wealthy dark 'forces of evil'?

What could be more important than exposing those leveraging and literally hurting sometimes KILLING children via their resulting suicides? This at a time when they need support most and worse by those paid to do this very thing! [google: “Leyman Mobbing”, “Bullycide on the playground”]Yet another piece of evidence of aliens? Perhaps a new contactee or /'Pleidian channeler'? Please, give the CHILDREN a break! One must wonder how many of Alien contact stories are needed; perhaps a supply that lasts until the final shoe on our remaining freedoms falls? The final shoe on the only country in the world that has the power to stop or trigger the slide into world war three and major annihilation. Could this be some sort of sociopath's solution to the looming financial crisis in social security?

Others in Kerry's and my county governmental and medical powers have no trouble milking those least able to afford or defend against it: elderly and lower socioeconomic Spanish speaking immigrants. This by falsely assuming the hospitals would both know the details of their medical coverage and honestly give bills representing this coverage. These people are ripped off via accidental' medical billing errors, or 'oops', illegal reassessments of their property while they're still traumatized by the mourning their final parents passing

If Camelot's scope does not extend to exposing ruthless and financially draining tactics, and perhaps even saving a few innocents being financially and psychologically ravaged by the 'dragons' and 'sorcerers' of not only her country, but also her STATE, then why have 'news', 'economic', and other sub-groups? Perhaps the Alien witnesses will keep coming just long enough to keep certain intelligent masses of good heart distracted until our next, “Racist”, “Anti-Semite”, “Terrorist Attack”, occurs, killing our brothers, sisters and likely defenseless innocents. [youtube/ggl: “Ruby Ridge Massacre”, “Waco Massacre”]

If the 'Dragons' of today, using largely psychological tactics are not of interest, perhaps 'AliensRUs, Alien Smörgåsbord', or 'Distractions, Baths and Beyond', would be a more appropriate name.

It's a FACT some activist groups are started by corporations acting on behalf of the Feds. Numerous people are unaware of this and Camelot aside, intelligent and honest people of true heart and bravery need to take care and watch for signs. Apparently hanging on to silly ideas, burying key information, 'judgment errors' hurting the cause, suggesting violence etc.

The number one tool of the 'sorcerers' and their 'dragons' of today is the “Oops Business Model”. This is where 'normal' human error or accidents are leveraged for many different needs. In fact, those in a position to help from the inside, should realize they too can leverage this tool; after all 'we're all human' and make mistakes. You too could do these types of 'errors' without even jeopardizing your job. Recall, 'Urkell' and say 'Oops, did I do that? I am soooo sorry!', 'Los siento, mi es mui stupido!”; surely you've learned some acting skills from all the TV you've watched.


This alien content is either true, concocted by someone with a lot of high tech resources and money, or some combination thereof. Possibles motives: Distract the masses from the real problems, perhaps stage dressing for a fake 'arrival'. Distractions from clear and imminent dangers, not only to America, but TO THE WORLD. e.g. North American Union, and yet another 'terrorist attack' to close the final door on what's left of our beloved Constitution in the one country that could make the difference in WWIII happening or not. It seems there must be another 'attack' or else all the work of the secret societies, for the last ~100 years will have been in vain. Do you really believe they'll just go away quietly and not cash in on the imminent crash as done during the 1929 crash? Could Benjamin Fullford being setting up the stage for a nuclear battle clearing the financial problems facing America and setting the stage for a great rebuilding effort to pull us out of our depression? Why are American 'allies' painting American forces as almost NAZI like? Is it deserved or are the international masses being setup to feel, “They had it coming!” (i.e. British military in international press.)

People of the world: the American people had nothing whatsoever to do with this mess. Just like the German refugees that were slaughtered at Dresden, when it was leveled, nor the Japanese people when they were flattened with the unnecessary TWO nuclear strikes on Japan proper.

CUI BONO? Freemasons of course in the massive rebuilding efforts that result from the Total Obliteration Doctrine' and of course the Banksters that finance same.

My cell phone number was left for Bill and Kerry, as I was fearful this information could be lost. It seemed important that as many details be on their video should a successful attempt be made in follow up to the direct threat written of previously. ('The secret societies can take you out any time they want', followed by this same person, attempting to crash two of my cars at highway speeds. This was in the presence of a witness.)

PUBLIC school teachers too take part and mostly by the kids and/or parents being falsely labeled in various ways; the perfect method of getting wide cooperation with a very limited conspiracy. Teachers have the ability to make you change schools and/or move, should that be of value to those that control some teachers directly and others via their emotions and slanderous background whisper campaigns.

Anyway, apologies if this is disjointed in any way. It was more important to get the info out than to comb it for typos; had an awful nights sleep last evening and can barely keep my eyes open.

Regards,

Tim
Hi Taadev,

Yes, I am somewhat aware of the mind control being used on all of us, and of this horrendous use of children. I don't think I know near the detail about it that you do, and thus some of your comments/questions seem rather oblique [sideways, rather than straight on] and it is difficult to interpret what you are getting at here. Perhaps you could post some links for those that wish to learn more.

I do, however, very much object to your approach, not your content in this part: "Is it not curious that the leaders of this Camelot torch would ignore such information that is affecting children, in AMERICA, today. (Not to mention their home state; many people are aware of this, but scared to death to get involved.) "

1) You could ask this question without casting aspersions onto Camelot's leaders.
2) How do you know they are aware of this?
3) Have you contacted them about it?
4) Maybe it lies outside the immediate areas of interest for Bill and Kerry to investigate?
4) I did see one post that Bill and Kerry have the goal to someday interview an actual ET being. Your area of concern does not seem to me to be a stepping stone along that path.
5) They can only pick one thing at a time to follow up on and I know they go a lot by their gut and intuition on these matters of choice/who is truthtelling and who is lying.


i.) The “Bad Luck” that has happened oldest, close, or respected friends and family:
Friend 1) head on collision;
Friend 2) Mason arrested in a case of "mistaken identity"; the police refused to confirm his identity, this in another state;
Friend 3) Transfer and 'promotion' develops into what appeared to be setup by his new boss and forced to resign with a company at which he had been employed for over 10 years;
Friend 4) Son had a near head-on collision, just a week or two after I made contact, this in Southern California;
Friend 5) Alleged his brother was suicided, and had to take him back to Mexico. Also happened to ask permission to store a machine gun in the wall of my house. Later wanted to buy, 'for cash', a Glock 9 I formerly had in possession. I'm uncertain as to the loyalty of this 'friend';
Friend 6) Had extreme 'bad luck' with contractors building a new house in another state; ends up having to declare bankruptcy, claimed strangers were glaring at her;
Friend 7) After admitting the tactics of using children and the damage thereto, she flips her story, in just a few days, later has her house burned to the ground by 'mistakes' on the part of fire department. Claims 'comedy of errors', delays in response, holes in fire hose and ends up with a brand new house. Openly claimed she was worried about her kids too having 'bad luck'.
Friend 8) Has 'bad luck' with medical procedure where the doctor did not use enough pain killing medication during a colonoscopy causing extreme pain and an aborted procedure. Dr. says, “Next time we'll use more pain medication.” She was in pain and having trouble for a month. Sister in law, daughter of former county supervisor/former police chief is offered a job where she immediately 'finds' obvious corruption; perhaps being setup for later political career. Certain members of my friend's family suddenly turn against me in concocted 'quarrels', friend showing symptoms of trauma/OCD; denies knowing of any trauma. Brother of friend asks me to help him setup a boot-leg satellite system; I decline. My vehicles are tampered with while we are away on family trips.
Friend 9) Son has someone stop cold on highway on ramp while sun is bright in their face causing major rear-end collision. Other son gets involved with a 'very nice girl' that soon ends up being a 'psycopath'.
Friend 10) Has son hang himself after having troubles of some sort.

Family member 1) While climbing a mountain solo slips and falls to her death;
Family member 2) Has botched hip surgery resulting in one leg being 1” longer than the other; claimed to have no memory of ever being measured while others were measured three or four times. Suddenly is very hostile towards me after being told various twisted truths by her 'significant'. After having symptoms for several years of various neurological conditions, her doctor finally orders an MRI and discovers a stage 4 Glioblastoma. She was referred to a cancer doctor that did not advise her of existing trials for which she could have qualified. After MRIs showing the cancer had returned, her doctors waited over a month to re-take the MRI and gave no treatment in the interim to stop the growth. She was dead within weeks.
Family member 3) Given medications contra-indicative to his liver; even though he was relatively
healthy, suddenly starts bleeding internally and dies;
Family member 4) After completing a masters degree on a partial football scholarship, has his best friend commit suicide. Is unable to get a job while all his friends were fully employed, was lured into gambling and allegedly was 90K in debt to casinos. Also, apparently ends up committing suicide after finding a note that his girl friend has been cheating on him.
Family member 5) While on a joint vacation we have a garbage truck back out of an alley into the side of the vehicle in which we were riding; while staying in the beach house we have people outside our beach front unit, calling “Viktoria”, “Viktoria”, in a sort of ghostly tone. This was the name of my wife who was also present. She suddenly leaves to see her mother and father excluding me after years of attempting to mend fences from some ancient family stupidity involving CPS.
Family member 6) Develops pain in side and ends up dead from a burst colon, this despite being rushed to the hospital. Her husband was the first person to inform me of some of these terrorist tactics using psychological anchoring and also was dead within a relatively short period of time thereafter; causes unknown.
Family member 7) Meets an older man with kids, 'just a friend', personal jets, 500K car. taken to Bahamas with other girls from very wealthy families and on various trips around the country.
Even though very healthy life style, daughters frequently sick during key periods like finals. Certain teachers accelerated their lesson plans during this period throwing the kid further behind, causing further stress on the target.
Family member 8) After decades of successfully operating several retail outlets; has a turn of luck and is forced to walk away from both stores; ends up in severe financial problems. The overall pattern matches, very closely, the story in the 'Wizard of Oz', except I refused to leave 'OZ'; the threats went from faux and indirect threats to more direct threats and severe 'bad luck' with contractors, automobile repair facilities, and several 'opportunities' to commit federal crimes.
Family member 9) After admitting that county prosecutors had been complaining about some of these terrorist tactics, over a decade ago, one week later claims I misunderstood him and pleads 'Do not quote me on that.' Clearly frightened of something.

taadev
12-13-2008, 06:54 AM
re: It will be interesting to see what happens to this thread, although with the limited people that will sign up the damage will be limited.

Please, many people have died during the time this information was generated, (see below)my children may too if the Italian mafia follows through with the Satanic threats that have been made, translate, bookmark, save, print, & distribute these posts as it will indeed be a miracle if they last long. I've CONFIRMED this information, multiple times, very high and laterally in the community.

This sort of harassment does make one appear, if not feel, paranoid. BUT, as paranoid is defined as 'unrealistic fear', is fear from a truly threatened/targeted individual unrealistic? Does his or her cumulative experience affect their perception? How is it possible to relate years of experiences in a single blurb that people will read, let alone one to which they can relate/understand ?

Hello back Karen,

Thanks for your reply and offer of assistance!

This thread is about symbology, under conspiracy research; your last statement confused me, but these days that's not a difficult task.

Your last point in, your original email, was that Kerry uses intuition as a major vehicle to, using her terms, 'thoroughly vet' the witnesses presented on Camelot.

Perhaps I'm being retentive, but as an analyst I hope you're mistaken on this point as with conspiracies the facts are indeed sometimes stranger than fiction and this presents very clearly in most of the testimonies on Camelot.

As an analyst, should not one also:
1) Consider the circumstances;
2) Interview the potential witness in the 'vetting' process? I'm sure they do this, or they'd be asleep at the wheel or our minds. If the witness soon turns up dead then they'd know there was indeed something to the story;
3) Question, probe, watch the reactions of potential witnesses;
4) Ask other close friends or consultants that might also be aware of the tactics/threats using 'psychological anchoring; (e.g. Judges, psychologists, lawyers, retired police/fire,teachers, wealthy. Ask in such a way as it appears you KNOW already so that they're in a position of lying, or admitting and recall information is compartmentalized from them.)

Most people in the upper socio-economic income, >1,000,000 are aware of this but are quite careful to as not make angry those with whom you are either 'with or against', as the latter group, and their children, are mercilessly attacked via a type of ruthless black listing system, the scope of which is even beyond the imagination.
One that relies on careful compartmentalization and LIES.


The symbology thread in which we write was originally the Italian “Biscione”, showing a serpent with a crown of a king and a child in his mouth. Does this not cry of what I write? How many others must experience this painful process? (Remember: multiple shoes must fit a scenario or the 'plausible deniability'/incredulity to the masses breaks in the media spin.)

http://www.redicecreations.com/winterwonderland/biscione.jpg

This, in my IMHO/experience shows the very 'keys to the rich kingdom of evil', any 'kingdom', or department, family, or country, which are leveraging the kids of others to to infiltrate and create initially, perceived and later very real, threats to those that are most important to most parents: their children.

This is likely used in all areas needing corruption as once your kid decides someone is a 'nice friend', one that's said all the right things, or defended them against some planted 'villain' you can forget about telling them this person is bad, as it will forever confuse them and cause them to lose faith in humanity after several 'nice' friends, teachers, whatever turn on them. (google "bullycide", "mobbing leyman". Interpolate and believe.)

If you hear the words, "Dad/[mom], boys/[girls] just don't like me..." then you may very well have the same problem as these words/feelings were identical in both my children and it's very destructive to their self esteem and their faith in their fellow human beings.

This IS the ultimate threat as how many could risk sacrificing their kids? Even for the greater good of those THOUSANDS, or more, kids and adults that could follow or precede that have and will end up dead? (via suicide, 'accidents', health problems)

One in a thousand? Million?

Well I can see that "Camelot" is moving quickly to cut the number of readers to a more manageable level; in fact to indeed eliminate the masses who cannot subscribe.


Also, regarding your point about 'paranoia'. One that's gone through this sort of terrorism is not considered paranoid by the psychologists that I've interviewed. The only difference between a 'paranoid' and a targeted person, is one is perceiving being attacked and the other is being attacked.

Not unlike an Jewish or Irish person jumping when they hear a party balloon burst after being exposed to bombings.

Their symptoms are similar, but the latter does not get better with medications until the harassment stops; that's how you can tell it's Post Traumatic Stress Syndrome.

Think about it. How would a truly threatened person react?
'rapidity of speech', 'anxious/anxiety'? What if the person had ADHD? Would it exacerbage those symptoms and provide hooks/anchors to leverage even further?

How would a target react if they'd realized their children, family and friends had been hurt, if not brainwashed?
Crying perhaps?
What if that person then had an experience like 'The Secret' where the images they saw came true shortly thereafter?

Might they believe they'd been in the presence of something far greater than themselves? Perhaps an angel or G-d? (Or an interdimensional being of some sort?)
How would that make them feel?
Elated, perhaps blessed, very lucky, perhaps even 'selected'?
(If they were Buddhist or Hindu they'd feel otherwise; they'd feel like they'd found the 'third eye'.)

if they were unfamiliar with meditation and the 3rd eye, could they not then be diagnosed as 'bi-polar'?


Thanks very much for your help! I wonder if Kerry could respond? Since we both live in the same state it would seem to be quite germain to her. On the other hand, perhaps she too has interviewed wealthy friends and knows it is indeed a very black and dangerous arena to investigate, let alone about which to provide credible witnesses.

The word that describes why this is still a secret, told to me by an Italian friend that is now also dead, is "M U E R T A"

With love and regards,

Tim

ps. Don't forget about the children and do prepared to give your life in their defense, but do not fight violence with violence. :wub2::lightsabre:
Hello again Tim,

I see from other posts that is your name.

When I remembered you mentioned in this thread there is more information in another thread, I finally went out a did a search for it. If you can think of economy of effort for the collective good, then I think you can see the logic when I ask, in the future for you to open another browser window and take a moment to go fetch the link and post it for everyone. Now imagine the collective energy for 10 or 50 people to have to go search for it on their own vs. you know where it is and you just go get it. I have so many things on my list to do for Avalon that I forgot about that part of your post, and then I took quite the convoluted path full of distractions before I finally made it to the original post you speak of. I think this is it:

http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=7781

You have quite the informative thread going there, and I found answers to most of my questions in reply to your stand alone post here in this thread, although it is so long I'm only half way through it and I do have to go on to other things.

OK, so you have written to Bill and Kerry several times and have had no reply. You don't even know if the emails made it through. One person in the other thread indicates you come across as someone needing to be on medication - which is of course what "they" delight in -- to make your telling of your story to sound so crazy this is indeed one way to make people diss you as a nutjob. "They" are obviously incredibly cruel including that you have received threats to your very life.

All this does make the target (you) feel very paranoid about everything that happens, including why Bill and Kerry have not answered your emails. From my point of view, the answer is this: although I have not seen all of the Camelot material, your information seems quite distant from their current track of investigation.

I always want to cook up solutions for these types of matters that arise, and I think I will suggest a type of canned response like - Thank you very much for the information you sent. Although we are investigating different topics at this time, we will keep it on file for possible future investigations. I will point out though the contact page does say they can read but not possibly answer all email. http://projectcamelot.org/contact.htm.

I will even go one step further and see if I can get Bill to give you a response either on the forum or privately. I keep saying that not getting answers to questions has been one of the big problems when this board exploded in size so fast the team could not keep up with it. People eventually begin to make all kinds of far out assumptions, and humans are very prone to be lead around by suggestions when another is accused of having devious motives.

Hope this helps,
Karen

PS: This discussion is off topic for the snake/wormhole/symbology thread. If there is any part you wish to continue to discuss please copy it over to your first thread - http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=7781. Thanks much!

Karen
12-13-2008, 09:51 AM
Hi Tim,

I have noted your two replies here. At this time I am very busy with helping people come up with solutions to not having the money to subscribe. There are gift subscriptions from others that have been offered, and there are other options.

So it will take me some time to read through your posts more carefully to see if I have any replies. Kerry now resides in Sedona, Arizona (update Kerry is back in the Los Angeles, CA area) and Bill is in Zurich, Switzerland.

They have been so busy with their work, and getting the subscription going, there really have been no recent replies from them. It would be interesting to see them reply, but I have to honor the fact that there is only so much they can do.

I can't really say more right now. I will try to get back to you in the next few days. We are just volunteers here and I have a lot of other things to work on.

Karen

Karen
12-21-2008, 08:10 AM
Hi Tim,

I have just done a little research on this "snake eating child" Biscione image and I have to say one more time - I do not believe the snake is eating the child. The snake is the symbol of the wormhole and the little human is emerging from the mouth of the snake.

Check here and carefully read the whole page and look at all the images.
http://williamhenry.net/SGbeardedGods.htm

I understand the intensity of your cause however, with such intensity it easy to make correlations where they do not exist.

Yes, I agree the are using children for despicable things, but IMO this is not a symbol for that.

Karen

The symbology thread in which we write was originally the Italian “Biscione”, showing a serpent with a crown of a king and a child in his mouth. Does this not cry of what I write? How many others must experience this painful process? (Remember: multiple shoes must fit a scenario or the 'plausible deniability'/incredulity to the masses breaks in the media spin.)

This, in my IMHO/experience shows the very 'keys to the rich kingdom of evil', any 'kingdom', or department, family, or country, which are leveraging the kids of others to to infiltrate and create initially, perceived and later very real, threats to those that are most important to most parents: their children.

taadev
12-25-2008, 01:03 PM
I have just done a little research on this "snake eating child" Biscione image and I have to say one more time - I do not believe the snake is eating the child. The snake is the symbol of the wormhole and the little human is emerging from the mouth of the snake.

Check here and carefully read the whole page and look at all the images.
http://williamhenry.net/SGbeardedGods.htm

I understand the intensity of your cause however, with such intensity it easy to make correlations where they do not exist.

Yes, I agree the are using children for despicable things, but IMO this is not a symbol for that.

Karen

Karen,
I've read that interpretation as well and yes children being used is very intense, as are threats, by Italians, to your children.

http://www.redicecreations.com/winterwonderland/biscione.jpg
Note the bared teeth and the coil at the top of the serpent. Should this not be interpreted in a naturalistic way? Does that not represent the preceding threats? Note the alignment with the coil and the child's body; note the flailing arms.(i.e. First the child firmly in the coils of the snake, showing his threatening teeth, then the follow through for the more stubborn / bigger picture people; all in one symbol. The needs of the many outweigh the threats to the few.

There are many, William Cooper included, that believe the entire Alien phenomenon is like the 'New Age' phenom.
(Read 'Hidden Dangers of the Rainbow' (http://www.newswithviewsstore.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=NWVS&Product_Code=B25&Category_Code=BOOKS) for the reason for the latter; the anti-Christian logic suits also the alien phenomenon.)

Here's a great thread on the entire subject:
http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=7434

Let me repeat, multiple 'shoes', or scenarios, must fit or the game is broken; people will 'wear' those that fit their psychology best and/or cause the least amount of pain and/or is told to them as being true.

Do you think the designer/artist could/would admit the real meaning to the masses? (and not get jailed/killed.)

Have you not seen examples where there is one 'meaning' to the public, and another to 'adepts'? (Even others to 26th degree adepts.) There are sometimes 6 or 10 'true meanings' to these general FREEMASON symbols, but until you're at the top of the triangle of power, and have been filtered through the process, you must take the word of your masters/adepts.

You could be correct, but 100's of pages of 'proofs' of what that means will not change the fact it represents, symbolically speaking, that of which I write. You previously admitted that shining light on this subject is dangerous, Kerry too seems to be in agreement. However, why Illuminati 'defectors' is less dangerous is a bit confusing.

I'm sure you can see we both are likely 'correct'.

Another link in the chain around the neck of not only Christianity, which, IMHO, had nails driven by the secret societies(i) a very long time ago, but even the Christ metaphor/conscience, which does better fit most people.

Who plagiarized who? To a psych major the Christ conscience/metaphor makes more logical sense to have existed FIRST; due to majority.

As you clearly know we're, mostly, creatures of love, but the Freemasons have gone to great and ancient lengths/expense, to torch those they claim plagiarized their sUn worship to allow corruption of powerful leaders. This to perpetuate themselves on the shoulders of those many of us that have not been or are not corruptible. (Regardless of threats or dangers in this plain of existence.)

How do they 'boil' a Freemason?
Same as a frog, one degree at a time....

regards,
ta


(i) By inversions of female to male, editing, adding obvious lies to FLIP good people into confusion, anger and ultimately disbelief. Just add the burning of the Great Library at Alexandria and you're off to the races with a new business model of hate/money/greed and unstoppable 'success'.

no caste
12-25-2008, 08:34 PM
Interesting phrasing that seems to indicate you are aware of the worst form of mind control using kids as 'zombie' /suicide bombers.

Can you not deduce from this that lessor forms would be used as psyops against the children of activist/whistle-blowers? (See my rather lengthy first post.) ...Is it not curious that the leaders of this Camelot torch would ignore such information that is affecting children, in AMERICA, today. (Not to mention their home state; many people are aware of this, but scared to death to get involved.)

Here, those in charge have no problems taking advantage of the naive and trusting children, elderly, sick, Spanish speaking crowd in many ways. (I've witnessed personally: tax R.E. tax levies when parents die:COMPLETELY ILLEGAL, 'misbilled' medical insurance by major hospitals, and organized mobbing in the 'public' schools.

I call it the 'Oops Business Model'
that makes big bucks off the back of those that can least afford it.
The MAFIA and likely the Rockefeller monster, La Raza are the foot soldiers of the criminals in charge of the s'elected' officials of the State of Cali.

The farther down you go It just gets curiouser and curiouser....

Do take notice of another FACT from a long time activist: activism has been deeply infiltrated and when one sees this sort of nonresponse by alleged leaders they get paranoid about have stumbled across yet another 'faux' activist group filled with well meaning members. (The 'leaders of these faux groups are bird dogging potential threats: Read as intellectuals that 'see too well' and/or have the abilities to stimulate crowds. i.e. taken from the COINTELPRO manuals as targets from the sixties.)

But of course our FBI, does not do this anymore as we've learned to use those employed by certain corps to add a layer of protection should any FBI offices AGAIN get burglarized.

If Separation of Church and State is good then Separation of Corp and State is Divine!:trumpet:

Hi taadev - You may be interested in a very interesting thread re forms ['last post - avyakyam symbol']

http://photos1.blogger.com/x/blogger2/5625/194489635746592/271/133808/gse_multipart30401.jpg
http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=8917

My own interest is in
1. finding the f**kers who make/do it - to stop it
2. antidotes/medicine - in the meanwhile
3. cataloguing [exotic weapons] - UN/Hague

For instance, Sol Invictus' comment in the 'weird experience' thread - just use peripheral vision.
http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=9284

Clever thing is that its thought the system knows when your looking at it because the back scatter from the retina gives off a very distinct pattern and thus cues the self defence measures (thats why it is thought UFOs always seem to know your looking at them - your eyes are perfect reflectors and they use this against ground observers).

Also, the Voice 2 Skull thread may have useful info
http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=8620&page=2 (http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?p=91677)

Also, Baggywrinkle's info about something (I can't find now but made a mental note about) that I hadn't heard of before and wanted to check - re greenham common anti-nuke demonstrations and crowd dispersals (non-lethal weapons that go back to Kennedy).

My username in the Wired Danger Room blog is dusty. Anyway, this is likely getting off-topic here, except for the symbol wrt EM. This topic is not for the feint of heart, but it also gets to the heart of the matter, i.e. freedom. A new thread, along the lines of 'exotic weapons makers, users & geographic remedies,' is probably in order, to compile data and share ideas for people's safety? I'll look for it - or start one. I'll read some of your other posts too when I come back. (I'm offline for some time now.)

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Hi Karen - The symbol avayakyam posted may help with the EM on your computer & in the room. He has a lot of info about it.

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