supreme court ruling on obama's elig. for presidency

[THE eXchanger]

Nov. 18, 2008
Supreme court ruling on Obama's eligibility for presidency

http://origin.www.supremecourtus.gov/docket/08-570.htm

(SEE BELOW)


Supreme Court Of The United States (SCOTUS) Justice David Souter has agreed that a review of the federal lawsuit filed by attorney Phil Berg against Barack Hussein Obama II, et al., which was subsequently dismissed for lack of standing is warranted. SCOTUS Docket No. 08-570 contains the details.


A review of that docket and the Rule 10 of the Supreme Court makes abundantly clear that Justice Souter's granting of a review on the Writ of Certiorari is not a right entitled to citizen Phil Berg, but rather is a matter of judcial discretion based upon a compelling reason. That compelling reason is the Constitutional requirement that "No person except a natural born citizen

....shall be eligible to the office of President..."


What this means is that on or before 1 DECEMBER 2008 Barack Hussein Obama II must respond to the writ of certiorari, and since the Berg v Obama case hinged primarily on the question of Obama's place of birth, it is almostinconceivable that Barack Obama will thumb his nose at the Justices of the Supreme Court and he is absolutely compelled to provide a vault copy of his original birth certificate.


Another very salient fact to consider at this time is that, despite all of the pronouncements of the print and broadcast media, Barack Obama is not yet the President-elect of the United States. Barack Obama can only become the President-elect after the Electoral College convenes on 15 DECEMBER 2008 in their respective state capitals around the nation and cast their votes to elect the President and the Vice President. As you can see this election day occurs two weeks after the required response to the Supreme Court granted Writ of Certiorari.


The bottom line is this: the presidential election of 2008 remains an ongoing process, the outcome of which remains undetermined, and all talk about a potential Constitutional crisis in the United States are at least 36 days premature.


The inevitable constitutional crisis regarding President-elect Obama, of course, revolves around his inability (or unwillingness) to produce an authentic Hawaiian birth certificate with the raised certificate stamp that the Federal Elections Commission can independently verify.


Here are some of the unanswered issues hanging over the head of President-elect Barack Obama and the question of his American citizenship:


· The allegation that Obama was born in Kenya to parents unable to automatically grant him American citizenship;


· The allegation that Obama was made a citizen of Indonesia as a child and that he retained foreign citizenship into adulthood without recording an oath of allegiance to regain any theoretical American citizenship;


· The allegation that Obama's birth certificate was a forgery and that he may not be an eligible, natural-born citizen;


· The allegation that Obama was not born an American citizen; lost an hypothetical American citizenship he had as a child; that Obama may not now be an American citizen and even if he is, may hold dual citizenships with other countries. If any, much less all, of these allegations are true, the suit claims, Obama cannot constitutionally serve as president.


· The allegations that "Obama's grandmother on his father's side, half brother and half sister claim Obama was born in Kenya," the suit states." Reports reflect Obama's mother went to Kenya during her pregnancy; however, she was prevented from boarding a flight from Kenya to Hawaii at her late stage of pregnancy, which apparently was a normal restriction to avoid births during flight. Stanley Ann Dunham (Obama) gave birth to Obama in Kenya, afte which she flew to Hawaii and registered Obama's birth."


· The claim could not be verified by inquiries to Hawaiian hospitals since state law bars the hospitals from releasing medical records to the public;


Even if Obama produced authenticated proof of his birth in Hawaii, however, the suit claims that the U.S. Nationality Act of 1940 provided that minors lose their American citizenship when their parents expatriate. Since Obama's mother married an Indonesian citizen and moved to Indonesia, the suit claims, sh forfeited both her and Barack's American citizenship.

DOCKET FOR 08-570

No. 08-570
Title: Philip J. Berg, Petitioner
v.
Barack Obama, et al.

Docketed: October 31, 2008
Lower Ct: United States Court of Appeals for the Third Circuit
Case Nos.: (08-4340)
Rule 11
~~~Date~~~ ~~~~~~~Proceedings and Orders~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Oct 30 2008 Petition for a writ of certiorari before judgment filed. (Response due December 1, 2008)
Oct 31 2008 Application (08A391) for an injunction pending disposition of the petition for a writ of certiorari, submitted to Justice Souter.
Nov 3 2008 Supplemental brief of applicant Philip J. Berg filed.
Nov 3 2008 Application (08A391) denied by Justice Souter.

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~~Name~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~Address~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~Phone~~~
Attorneys for Petitioner:
Philip J. Berg 555 Andorra Glen Court, Suite 12 (610) 825-3134
Lafayette Hill, PA 09867
Party name: Philip J. Berg
Attorneys for Respondents:
Gregory G. Garre Solicitor General (202) 514-2217
United States Department of Justice
950 Pennsylvania Avenue, N.W.
Washington, DC 20530-0001
Party name: Federal Election Commission, et al.

http://origin.www.supremecourtus.gov/docket/08-570.

[sleepingnomore]

Title: Philip J. Berg, Petitioner
v.
Barack Obama, et al.

Docketed: October 31, 2008
Lower Ct: United States Court of Appeals for the Third Circuit
Case Nos.: (08-4340)
Rule 11

~~~Date~~~ ~~~~~~~Proceedings and Orders~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Oct 30 2008 Petition for a writ of certiorari before judgment filed. (Response due December 1, 2008)
Oct 31 2008 Application (08A391) for an injunction pending disposition of the petition for a writ of certiorari, submitted to Justice Souter.
Nov 3 2008 Supplemental brief of applicant Philip J. Berg filed.
Nov 3 2008 Application (08A391) denied by Justice Souter.



Something doesn't look right here Nov 3 2008 - denied by Justice Souter?

[Ali Quadir]

http://www.politifact.com/media/img/graphics/birthCertObama.jpg

Come on guys... Can we drop this now? The original has been released in june....

[Fredkc]

First....
Gee... nice cartoon! but meaningless.
To begin with, go down to the bottom of the picture. You will see the following, "ANY ALTERATIONS INVALIDATE THIS DOCUMENT".

Now, take a look approx. 1 inch above the word "THIS" You will see a small smudgy "something". What that is, is ink bleeding through from the backside of the document. What was stamped there (squint hard, read backwards) was "Nov 6, 2007".

The requirements for getting one of those issued are not the same as what's called a "vault copy" of the document.

To see what an Original Hawaiian Birth Certificate looks like, circa 1963 click here (http://fredsitelive.com/reference/Real_hawaii_certificate-1963.jpg).

Second...
Obama's birthplace is also not the issue.

At issue is the fact his mother married an Indonesian citizen, and she, and her children became citizens of Indonesia. Indonesia did not allow dual citizenships at the time. Did not allow them until Nov. of 1996. Obama returned to Hawaii in 1971.

In order for Obama's US citizenship to be re-instated he must have re-affirmed it. Whether he ever did this, or not, becomes unclear if he traveled to Pakistan in 1982 (age 22) under an Indonesian passport.

So far, Obama has not provided one straight answer. In fact, he has done everything he can to keep from having to answer at all.

If you think this is about partisanship, I wrote in Ron Paul's name for President this time, the same as I did in 2004. In my opinion, the bogus choice of whether to vote for Obama or McCain, foisted on the people, was about as relevant, and meaningful as deciding which ear to stick the gun in, when blowing your brains out.

[Squeptikal]

What this means is that on or before 1 DECEMBER 2008 Barack Hussein Obama II must respond to the writ of certiorari, and since the Berg v Obama case hinged primarily on the question of Obama's place of birth, it is almostinconceivable that Barack Obama will thumb his nose at the Justices of the Supreme Court and he is absolutely compelled to provide a vault copy of his original birth certificate.




I am in awe of your posts! :thumb_yello:

[Fredkc]

Now, after a few deep breaths....

Supremes to review Barack's citizenship

By Bob Unruh (http://worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=81484)

A case that challenges President-elect Barack Obama's name on the 2008 election ballot citing questions over his citizenship has been scheduled for a "conference" at the U.S. Supreme Court.

Conferences are private meetings of the justices at which they review cases and decide which ones to accept for formal review. This case is set for a conference Dec. 5, just 10 days before the Electoral College is scheduled to meet to make formal the election of Obama as the nation's next president.

The Supreme Court's website listed the date for the case brought by Leo C. Donofrio against Nina Wells, the secretary of state in New Jersey, over not only Obama's name on the 2008 election ballot but those of two others, Sen. John McCain and Roger Calero.

If four of the nine justices vote to hear the case in full, oral argument may be scheduled.

The action questions whether any of the three candidates is qualified under the U.S. Constitution's requirement that a president be a "natural-born citizen." [more...] (http://worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=81484)
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What this may result in, is a Supreme Court ruling handing this case back to the lower courts, and ordering them to hear the evidence, the citizen's lack of standing to bring suit notwithstanding.

Finally, there is a venue where a citizen does have standing to bring such a suit, and that is before State Supreme Courts. Here they can bring suit forcing the State's registrar of voters to withold submitting their electoral votes to the Federal Govt, until a candidate can show proof they are eligible for the office.

Barack Obama is not yet the President-elect. This does not occur until the Electoral College meets, collects and counts all the delegate's votes from the states. This does not occur until Dec. 15th.

Such suits are ongoing in California, Ohio, Connecticut, Washington, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Georgia and Hawaii.

[Humble Janitor]

Get over it already.

This is all I have to say.

[RSF]

I am in awe of your posts! :thumb_yello:

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I certainly ditto your thought Squeptikal.

RSF

[Sarahmay]

Hillary lost, sweetie. You need to try, try, try to move on with your life!

[RSF]

Hillary lost, sweetie. You need to try, try, try to move on with your life!

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Hah? Who's sweetie, the one you suggest move on with (her) life?:tongue2:

RSF

[Sarahmay]

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Hah? Who's sweetie, the one you suggest move on with (her) life?:tongue2:

RSF

She knows who she is. She dislikes Obama because of bitterness over Hillary.

[Orion Morris]

Hillary lost, sweetie. You need to try, try, try to move on with your life!

Hilary didnt loose... we didnt vote... Barak is a fraud...

Why do people keep buying into all this political propaganda?

All these obama supporters are just as bad as all these republicans running around with their fuc*in yellow ribbons!


eXchanger you are doing a great job

[Sarahmay]

She didn't vote because she's Canadian.

[Orion Morris]

She didn't vote because she's Canadian.

That is not what I meant...

we didnt vote... nor did anybody who wrote a name down on a ballot...
the votes are counted electronicly...
the canidates are placed on the table out of the pockets of the elite...

its a sham and the longer people keep investing their attention and emotons into the system the longer it will be able to fu*k us!

[RSF]

She knows who she is. She dislikes Obama because of bitterness over Hillary.


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Thanks for that. I don't undestand why Pres Elect Obama would consider HC for Sec of State?, as it seems to alienate his base supporters.
Could be one of the reasons why Hillary's possible appointment might have been tossed out into the media first?

RSF

[bodhisattva]

http://www.politifact.com/media/img/graphics/birthCertObama.jpg

Come on guys... Can we drop this now? The original has been released in june....

You mean this certified FORGERY?

Ask yourself, if this is an authentic BC, why would Obama have not produced a hard copy in defense of all the lawsuits?

It is because he is BUSTED, and knows it.

How can you be so naive?

[Sarahmay]

You mean this certified FORGERY?

Ask yourself, if this is an authentic BC, why would Obama have not produced a hard copy in defense of all the lawsuits?

It is because he is BUSTED, and knows it.

How can you be so naive?

He doesn't have to, not because of persistent idiotic internet rumors and lawsuits without merit. We'll see who is naive, when nobody is "busted". Not going to happen. Over and done with.

Also bitter over Hillary? Or McCain supporter?

[Orion Morris]

He doesn't have to, not because of persistent idiotic internet rumors and lawsuits without merit. We'll see who is naive, when nobody is "busted". Not going to happen. Over and done with.

Also bitter over Hillary? Or McCain supporter?

I an trying really hard right now not to call you names... but f**k... why does everybody have to be on one of the two sides of the same coin...

why cant you just understand that their are people out there who realize that all of our politicians are evil fascist f..cks!

[Sarahmay]

I an trying really hard right now not to call you names... but f**k... why does everybody have to be on one of the two sides of the same coin...

why cant you just understand that their are people out there who realize that all of our politicians are evil fascist f..cks!

Orion, I know this is how YOU feel, but I'm calling out others on their motivations.

[bodhisattva]

He doesn't have to, not because of persistent idiotic internet rumors and lawsuits without merit. We'll see who is naive, when nobody is "busted". Not going to happen. Over and done with.

Also bitter over Hillary? Or McCain supporter?

Actually, I would have voted for Obama, had he not proven to be a lying FRAUD....he could have saved millions of votes, if he were forthright with liberal voters. Yet, instead chose to hide behind his lawyers, and continue his deceptive practices....so much for his "transparency" Sarah.

Next thing you know, you will be calling us all racists for not believing your garbage. Drink up! I hear the cool aid is really yummy.

[motov]

I an trying really hard right now not to call you names... but f**k... why does everybody have to be on one of the two sides of the same coin...

why cant you just understand that their are people out there who realize that all of our politicians are evil fascist f..cks!

i see yer point Orion, and agree, as a Norwegian that rely dont care who get in office, because they are all puppets of the same master so...
i have been trough some of the materials in case of Obama..... and if he get a fair trial he will not become the new president of US, but if Puppetmaster is on his side it will be fabricated before the ruling of court, in the nick of time as a drama act...

conclusion: if he win hes a puppet and if he lose he truly is the man for the people but wont be able to show it....so maybe it was all planed as a fail safe....

[unlimited mind]

thank you eXchanger for keeping us updated with the breaking news. i have not been scrolling around very much lately, and have been out of the loop around here and elsewhere for well over a month.

keep up your beautiful work! :wub2::wub2::wub2:
:roll1:

[Sarahmay]

Actually, I would have voted for Obama, had he not proven to be a lying FRAUD....he could have saved millions of votes, if he were forthright with liberal voters. Yet, instead chose to hide behind his lawyers, and continue his deceptive practices....so much for his "transparency" Sarah.

Next thing you know, you will be calling us all racists for not believing your garbage. Drink up! I hear the cool aid is really yummy.

Ah, Hillary then.

[Orion Morris]

Ah, Hillary then.

Holy ****... Can you not read... Some people are aware that these politics are all the same... They are just different heads of the same sneak

[Sarahmay]

Holy ****... Can you not read... Some people are aware that these politics are all the same... They are just different heads of the same sneak

Orion, you are the one not reading between the lines here. These women do not deny being Hillary supporters...nor are they admitting it either, because they lose credibility. They are not saying that all politicians are evil, just Obama. Because they are bitter over Hillary. It helps to understand where the motivation is coming from. They are not on the same page as you.

[freekatz]

Why all the fuss? Bush stole the election and there was no big deal made of that, he started a war in Iraq based on lies which has devastated Iraq and ruined the lives of millions of people while paving the way for secret arrests, indefinite imprisonment without trial and legalized torture. Who cares where Obama was born? This whole country is based on corruption and lies:mfr_omg:

Kucinich in 2012...the only way to go:thumb_yello:

[bodhisattva]

Orion, you are the one not reading between the lines here. These women do not deny being Hillary supporters...nor are they admitting it either, because they lose credibility. They are not saying that all politicians are evil, just Obama. Because they are bitter over Hillary. It helps to understand where the motivation is coming from. They are not on the same page as you.
You are so off base! I am NOT a Hillary supporter. I am a CONSTITUTION supporter, a patriotic American.

Orion is correct, ALL candidates are fascist NWO puppets. With the exception of Ron Paul.

[Sarahmay]

You are so off base! I am NOT a Hillary supporter. I am a CONSTITUTION supporter, a patriotic American.

Orion is correct, ALL candidates are fascist NWO puppets. With the exception of Ron Paul.

Okay then, I stand corrected. There is no way you would ever vote for a mainstream candidate therefore this attack on Obama is a generalized attack on any politician. You know, Ron Paul has as many illuminati ties as any of them if you look hard enough. He just likes to rail.

[GoingToFast]

I must confess, I thought this was a bogus claim about Obama not being an American citizen but after reading this I admit that there is some substance to this.

[mntruthseeker]

We are to "get over it" we voted for hillary

No, I will never get over it, Obama is a fraud, a cheater, a liar and I have absolutely no respect for Obama, Hillary, Bill, John or anyone else that ran outside of Ron Paul

Ron is a real man. Jim is a real man. Too bad the USA is full of phony wanna-be liars, drug addicts and murderers and I might add pedofiles

So now you need to get over it and quit knocking some one posting the "truth". You need to learn to be respectble to others.

[Powerinourhandsl]

This debate is interesting to me as an expat Englishman living in Spain. The Births Marriges and deaths are all recorded on a public registery in the uk , and anyone can look at the registery ( online ) and obtain the entry number. Then with an entry number you pay 7 pounds and a certified copy is sent to you. Can you not do that in the states?

But as has been pointed out , the actual certificate proves nothing .It has been stated that at the time he was in a state school in indonesia dual citizenship was not allowed. this effectivly means that because he went to school in indonesia at a time when you could not be a dual citizen you have renounced your American citizenship. In fact in the school records that perport to be from that era , they record him as being Indonesian, with faith recorded as Islam. That is a pretty big and reasonable question that to enter the office of President of the united states i would have thought requires further investigation. It is your constitution, and anything that has stood that long demands at least a little respect. If the questions can be answered to the satisfaction of the supreame court , great, but there seems to be a reasonable doubt that requires clarification.
But i find it hard to believe that anyone would go as far as Barak , or be selected to go as far, without first tieing all of these loose ends up. Unless its all part of the plan to really shove the knife in the back of the usa when it is declared he cannot stand..I imagine another 1000 points would drop off the dow the day they say he can´t stand.

[bodhisattva]

This debate is interesting to me as an expat Englishman living in Spain. The Births Marriges and deaths are all recorded on a public registery in the uk , and anyone can look at the registery ( online ) and obtain the entry number. Then with an entry number you pay 7 pounds and a certified copy is sent to you. Can you not do that in the states?

But as has been pointed out , the actual certificate proves nothing .It has been stated that at the time he was in a state school in indonesia dual citizenship was not allowed. this effectivly means that because he went to school in indonesia at a time when you could not be a dual citizen you have renounced your American citizenship. In fact in the school records that perport to be from that era , they record him as being Indonesian, with faith recorded as Islam. That is a pretty big and reasonable question that to enter the office of President of the united states i would have thought requires further investigation. It is your constitution, and anything that has stood that long demands at least a little respect. If the questions can be answered to the satisfaction of the supreame court , great, but there seems to be a reasonable doubt that requires clarification.
But i find it hard to believe that anyone would go as far as Barak , or be selected to go as far, without first tieing all of these loose ends up. Unless its all part of the plan to really shove the knife in the back of the usa when it is declared he cannot stand..I imagine another 1000 points would drop off the dow the day they say he can´t stand.

You have made some excellent points. Thank you.

I personally wrote to all 9 supreme court judges today. I am simply a patriotic American doing my part to uphold our constitution.

The SCOTUS is charged with upholding our constitution; if they don't at least demand to see hard evidence that BHO is eligible to be president, then we and the United States of America are doomed.

If this election has taught us anything, it is just how corrupt the MSM, judges, courts, FBI, CIA, FEC, DNC etc really are.....it seems no one cares about our concerns about his eligibility.....it appears he is being rammed down our throat.

Personally, I'd consider moving off planet, if that were an option.

Cheers.

[Myra]

Why all the fuss? Bush stole the election and there was no big deal made of that, he started a war in Iraq based on lies which has devastated Iraq and ruined the lives of millions of people while paving the way for secret arrests, indefinite imprisonment without trial and legalized torture. Who cares where Obama was born? This whole country is based on corruption and lies:mfr_omg:

Kucinich in 2012...the only way to go:thumb_yello:

Hahaha! :lol3: Cool answer freekatz! :thumb_yello:

[Humble Janitor]

We are to "get over it" we voted for hillary

No, I will never get over it, Obama is a fraud, a cheater, a liar and I have absolutely no respect for Obama, Hillary, Bill, John or anyone else that ran outside of Ron Paul

Ron is a real man. Jim is a real man. Too bad the USA is full of phony wanna-be liars, drug addicts and murderers and I might add pedofiles

So now you need to get over it and quit knocking some one posting the "truth". You need to learn to be respectble to others.

You don't even know what the truth is because you're too biased.

Oh yeah, this "Ron Paul is a god, OMG!" type of behavior just shows that anyone who trashes Obama is a total hypocrite.

[StClair]

Dear Friends

Will explain here a few generic things in simple terms and will not go into too many details, although I am briefed in great detail.

As a few here know, I have been advising some of the "Constitutionalists" (Ron Paul / Palin type constituency people) from the background with rather "intellectual-spiritual" type guidance ideas, as to how to proceed, from an esoteric and legal stand point.

What eXchanger and Bodhisattva are explaining here to you all is actually important if you who live in the USA care to understand how the system is supposed to work according to the constitution.

Everyone ought to stay realm level headed and calm now and not go into any kind of mental overdrive - ok.

Now that the practical available legal steps have been taken, the "rest of the work" has to be done silently, from the minds of the seers. Noise will not produce results. Activism has to be peaceful and of spiritual nature to protect the LANDS of the ancient shamans.

There is one issue, which is that for all intents and purposes, practically speaking, the court system that rules the LANDS is under Admiralty Law, and not any longer under the old Common Law.

In other words you live under hidden Martial Law.



Furthermore there only very few Judges left inside the USA who are "approved" to dispense as experts on constitutional matters. Attorney Berg was not able apparently to ask the courts for a "Constitutional Session" in court. Most if not all courts are "Corporation" courts who work for the "Corp. US" or "corpus" for short.

Let me explain something shocking to you which I did try to explain to Project Camelot off the record in May 08 when we shot my videos at Lake Geneva.

This was all planned since way back in the early Nineties. For the machine behind the Indonesian passport holder to take out the Clinton machine in the primaries you can imagine what types of powers are involved, and this includes also occult technologies.

The fact that during September October these powers acted as if it was all a "done deal" shows you not only that the matter was decided before hand, but that they knew they had what it takes to quash everything in sight. This is serious stuff we are talking about here.

I have stated and say it again, that the people actually did vote in majority for McCain/Palin, and the votes were switched with a technology I know only the rudimentary outlines of, not the details. Seers know this.

OK and while it is correct that to some degree McCain also is somewhat part of NWO, he is on the fringes on his own, cut lose from the machine, "off the reservation" at the very least from the moment on when at the end of August he brought in the "Independent" Palin who is only "nominally" a Republican, but at heart a "Constitutionalist."

As some of you who know things in more depth do know well, Palin was most unhappy with the handlers of McCain, ashe himself was. These are the same handlers as the ones who handled the seeming "other side."

Why do you think Palin "went rogue" ???

So you make of this what you want, and this is why I did NOT predict the one who seems to have been elected to become President.

The actual President elect, believe it or not, is John McCain, and he knows it and I know it, and a very few in the know do know it. We decided to go silent and wait and see.

I suggest you all do the same and stay safe and use your minds to do the rest of the work by going within. Here we apply now our Krishnamurti type teachings.

Like the other smart and enlightened ones who spoke up here, I am on no one's side but on the side of the Constitution, and the side of human spiritual ORDER, whereas all the others are promoting human disorder. If people wish to be "radical" they must become knowledgeable first.

As to the rest - it is here: http://Passage11.com/Mirror.htm
This page is generically written and includes the above matter,
among many other things that fall into exactly this category worldwide.

Peace
Michael St.Clair

[Fredkc]

You are so off base! I am NOT a Hillary supporter. I am a CONSTITUTION supporter, a patriotic American.

Orion is correct, ALL candidates are fascist NWO puppets. With the exception of Ron Paul.

Hear Hear!! and Bravo!

I am continually baffled by comments like "Get over it", when it appears that we are about to "install" someone who has absolutely no business holding the office.

S'not a white/black thing, nor a Dem/Rep thing, it's a Constitutional thing!

It's about the FACT that people in this country are FREE! Whether they choose to insist on that or not. They were free to do as the wished before there was a Constitution, and gave up none of that, when it was ratified.

The Constitution was an agreement, allowing govt to exist, so long as it abides by the agreement. Govt and it's toadies get away with what is going on simply because we let them. Because people have been slowly brought to the notion that it's government that allows them to exist. That the Constitution is where we get our freedom and our rights. Untrue.

Don't believe me? Here! Go read. (http://fredsitelive.com/politics/usconst.htm#amd1) You will find not one right granted to anyone in the "Bill Of Rights". They are about rights people already had, which government has no authority to touch.

Now, look around you and tell me that govt has been abiding by the agreement. One liar after another, then another has said grace over betrayal, and now people want to object if the least is asked... that the current liar in chief, at least be an american citizen. It's pathetic.

PS: bodhisattva; Thank you. Never sit down. Never shut up ;)

PPS: It won't be Hillary who gets "installed" By the way ... that is also Constitutionally decided. It would be Joe Biden. But then you'd have to read the document, to know that.

[Frank Samuel]

As so called Americans we stole the lands from the American Indians, where 60 million where slaughter. In my view born or not we are not true americans, we are simply thieves born in a land robbed by force. Same in Central America and South America. Is pointless to talk about birthright in my opinion.It is a historical fact that these tyrants brought by force slaves, from their lands. Africa being the main land prey upon, Africa now has claim justice. Wether you agree with it or not Bush created 911 and the Muslim world suffer the consequences, it is beffitting that a muslim claims the throne. Sooner or later Karma comes knocking at our door, the things that are happening in my opinion are meant to happen. We make the world what it is, lets create a better world for all irregardless who sits at the throne of the presidency. What will our world be like in 20 years, will it be better or worse.
Obama is just one part of our history. Make your history do not let it be made for you, become an active participant.

[StClair]

Dear Frank Samuel. Sir

THINKING TOGETHER...

Your thoughts lead this conversation, where we who participate in this thread, in the correct direction, in my opinion, which is why in my words and videos ( see link below ) I am beginning to bring the attention of the "Shields & Seers" into this focus. Seers will have to shield the lands from impact.


The Lands.
Whose Lands?

We are tenants of this planet, who can do without us here unless we become the stewards of this place, for a future population of advanced ones, in transition, preparing to be handing over the planet to the new breed of "leaderless leaders." Pluto in Capricorn One will begin in a few days by new moon a new era.


See also http://stclairzone.ning.com/profiles/blogs/minivideos-by-the-master-of

Peace - Today 11.22.2008 with Sun in Sagittarius One, sixty degrees away from Impact.

[Avid]

Thank you for your considered post about the legality of Barack Obama as president elect.
We globally know that despite these problems - the 'desperate for change' USA want Obama (there weren't too many other options 'allowed' by mainstream media - ie Ron Paul) - and NOW look who he is appointing for so-called 'change'. It beggars belief - keep your friends close and your 'enemies' closer - he has surrounded the USA politic with the 'same old same old' rotten-to-the-core warmongering self-profiteering dual nationalistic cabal that we hoped would be gone. Fake Obama? Stooge? Put Hillary Clinton in to twist his words globally? What a joke - no - not a joke - it's a total tragedy for the honest, innocent voters who have been duped yet again to even think there could be change for their benefit.
Even the rotten private FED cannot now be stuffed as he's put some of the 'old guard' back. Two parties USA? In your dreams - you voted for the same cabal in another cloak.

[THE eXchanger]

what is most interesting...
is, that many of us, where in "that past"
and, that many of us, are here in "this NOW"

and, in many cases / our past timelines,
ARE, what ironically, caused, our current "now" timeline,
all of it, is a direct result,
of a combination of "good" and, "bad" choices

so, with that said, let us all work,
to altering "the choices"...
so, that, we do "the right" things in this NOW

it is quite apparent,
that even advanced technology,
can be utilised against us, and, rigged,
to NOT reflect the "real truth"

love/susan
the eXchanger

[Avid]

what is most interesting...
is, that many of us, where in "that past"
and, that many of us, are here in "this NOW"

and, in many cases / our past timelines,
ARE, what ironically, caused, our current "now" timeline,
all of it, is a direct result,
of a combination of "good" and, "bad" choices

so, with that said, let us all work,
to altering "the choices"...
so, that, we do "the right" things in this NOW

it is quite apparent,
that even advanced technology,
can be utilised against us, and, rigged,
to NOT reflect the "real truth"

love/susan
the eXchanger

Susan - what 'was then is now and what is now was then', I know what you mean - but it doesn't help the desperate folk! I'm not privileged, nor attuned as yourself and other colleagues here - how can we really make change?
Of course things are rigged - of course we must will things to become better, but unless we form a 'cone of power' against these forces, the masses are not aware of any of our efforts, and will be duped.
So - we do the 'right things' in this 'now'? The message is powerless unless it is rationally stated to the average voter/citizen/reader - THEN we can react, do the agreed 'right thing' in 'this now'. Something more solid perhaps?
This is such a difficult transition :wall:

[Northern Boy]

Why all the fuss? Bush stole the election and there was no big deal made of that, he started a war in Iraq based on lies which has devastated Iraq and ruined the lives of millions of people while paving the way for secret arrests, indefinite imprisonment without trial and legalized torture. Who cares where Obama was born? This whole country is based on corruption and lies:mfr_omg:

Kucinich in 2012...the only way to go:thumb_yello:

Remember the Rodney King verdict well now picture those riots across the U.S. a sure fire way to have Bush stay in office and insitute martial law . If Obama was not born in the U. S. he cannot hold the office this would upset the african American population AND SET OFF A RACE ROIT

[Northern Boy]

you are so off base! I am not a hillary supporter. I am a constitution supporter, a patriotic american.

Orion is correct, all candidates are fascist nwo puppets. With the exception of ron paul.

don`t bet on it

[bodhisattva]

don`t bet on it

Don't bet on what Northern Boy?

[stargate22]

Looks Like Dan Burisch's "Fat Lady" ( Hillary ) my still sing after all....We'll see.


We live in interesting Time Lines...No? :naughty:

[Humble Janitor]

Remember the Rodney King verdict well now picture those riots across the U.S. a sure fire way to have Bush stay in office and insitute martial law . If Obama was not born in the U. S. he cannot hold the office this would upset the african American population AND SET OFF A RACE ROIT

There is no *if* here. He was born in Hawaii.

God, I can't believe some of the stuff I read on here. It's almost as bad as what you could read on Craigslist.

[Northern Boy]

Nov. 18, 2008
Supreme court ruling on Obama's eligibility for presidency

http://origin.www.supremecourtus.gov/docket/08-570.htm

(SEE BELOW)


Supreme Court Of The United States (SCOTUS) Justice David Souter has agreed that a review of the federal lawsuit filed by attorney Phil Berg against Barack Hussein Obama II, et al., which was subsequently dismissed for lack of standing is warranted. SCOTUS Docket No. 08-570 contains the details.


A review of that docket and the Rule 10 of the Supreme Court makes abundantly clear that Justice Souter's granting of a review on the Writ of Certiorari is not a right entitled to citizen Phil Berg, but rather is a matter of judcial discretion based upon a compelling reason. That compelling reason is the Constitutional requirement that "No person except a natural born citizen

....shall be eligible to the office of President..."


What this means is that on or before 1 DECEMBER 2008 Barack Hussein Obama II must respond to the writ of certiorari, and since the Berg v Obama case hinged primarily on the question of Obama's place of birth, it is almostinconceivable that Barack Obama will thumb his nose at the Justices of the Supreme Court and he is absolutely compelled to provide a vault copy of his original birth certificate.


Another very salient fact to consider at this time is that, despite all of the pronouncements of the print and broadcast media, Barack Obama is not yet the President-elect of the United States. Barack Obama can only become the President-elect after the Electoral College convenes on 15 DECEMBER 2008 in their respective state capitals around the nation and cast their votes to elect the President and the Vice President. As you can see this election day occurs two weeks after the required response to the Supreme Court granted Writ of Certiorari.


The bottom line is this: the presidential election of 2008 remains an ongoing process, the outcome of which remains undetermined, and all talk about a potential Constitutional crisis in the United States are at least 36 days premature.


The inevitable constitutional crisis regarding President-elect Obama, of course, revolves around his inability (or unwillingness) to produce an authentic Hawaiian birth certificate with the raised certificate stamp that the Federal Elections Commission can independently verify.


Here are some of the unanswered issues hanging over the head of President-elect Barack Obama and the question of his American citizenship:


· The allegation that Obama was born in Kenya to parents unable to automatically grant him American citizenship;


· The allegation that Obama was made a citizen of Indonesia as a child and that he retained foreign citizenship into adulthood without recording an oath of allegiance to regain any theoretical American citizenship;


· The allegation that Obama's birth certificate was a forgery and that he may not be an eligible, natural-born citizen;


· The allegation that Obama was not born an American citizen; lost an hypothetical American citizenship he had as a child; that Obama may not now be an American citizen and even if he is, may hold dual citizenships with other countries. If any, much less all, of these allegations are true, the suit claims, Obama cannot constitutionally serve as president.


· The allegations that "Obama's grandmother on his father's side, half brother and half sister claim Obama was born in Kenya," the suit states." Reports reflect Obama's mother went to Kenya during her pregnancy; however, she was prevented from boarding a flight from Kenya to Hawaii at her late stage of pregnancy, which apparently was a normal restriction to avoid births during flight. Stanley Ann Dunham (Obama) gave birth to Obama in Kenya, afte which she flew to Hawaii and registered Obama's birth."


· The claim could not be verified by inquiries to Hawaiian hospitals since state law bars the hospitals from releasing medical records to the public;


Even if Obama produced authenticated proof of his birth in Hawaii, however, the suit claims that the U.S. Nationality Act of 1940 provided that minors lose their American citizenship when their parents expatriate. Since Obama's mother married an Indonesian citizen and moved to Indonesia, the suit claims, sh forfeited both her and Barack's American citizenship.

DOCKET FOR 08-570

No. 08-570
Title: Philip J. Berg, Petitioner
v.
Barack Obama, et al.

Docketed: October 31, 2008
Lower Ct: United States Court of Appeals for the Third Circuit
Case Nos.: (08-4340)
Rule 11
~~~Date~~~ ~~~~~~~Proceedings and Orders~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Oct 30 2008 Petition for a writ of certiorari before judgment filed. (Response due December 1, 2008)
Oct 31 2008 Application (08A391) for an injunction pending disposition of the petition for a writ of certiorari, submitted to Justice Souter.
Nov 3 2008 Supplemental brief of applicant Philip J. Berg filed.
Nov 3 2008 Application (08A391) denied by Justice Souter.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
~~Name~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~Address~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~Phone~~~
Attorneys for Petitioner:
Philip J. Berg 555 Andorra Glen Court, Suite 12 (610) 825-3134
Lafayette Hill, PA 09867
Party name: Philip J. Berg
Attorneys for Respondents:
Gregory G. Garre Solicitor General (202) 514-2217
United States Department of Justice
950 Pennsylvania Avenue, N.W.
Washington, DC 20530-0001
Party name: Federal Election Commission, et al.

http://origin.www.supremecourtus.gov/docket/08-570.

There is a second birth certificate that has been sealed in the state of Hawaii

[Northern Boy]

There is no *if* here. He was born in Hawaii.

God, I can't believe some of the stuff I read on here. It's almost as bad as what you could read on Craigslist.

Is that so and do you have proof that he was born in Hawaii? Maybe you helped with the delivery . Did you also believe that Bush won both of the previous elections ? And Lets say that you believe that terrorists took down the twin Towers and there is no PTB

[Northern Boy]

You don't even know what the truth is because you're too biased.

Oh yeah, this "Ron Paul is a god, OMG!" type of behavior just shows that anyone who trashes Obama is a total hypocrite.

Let me guess you voted for him thinking there would be change ..... and you don`t see any yet .... thats cause it ain`t coming.... look at his appointments to his administration members of the CFR and Trilateral Commission they are set up be the PTB he was picked for this position by the PTB to FOOL the PEOPLE into thinking that CHANGE was coming the last true President that the U.S. had was Kennedy and the PTB killed him because he told them to **** off and he was not going to play their game

[GregorArturo]

There is no *if* here. He was born in Hawaii.

God, I can't believe some of the stuff I read on here. It's almost as bad as what you could read on Craigslist.

Did you see Obama born in a hospital in Hawaii? If not, then shove it as everything you read online, see in the news, told at work, or dish fed in the classroom can inherently all be hearsay! It's a war on truth out there, and we're your fellow comrades here who just want to find out the truth so stop thinking you know how it is.

And Obama is no one's savior. Go to mirror and look into it, for that's your answer to all the bull **** in the world and who's going to fix it.

[Northern Boy]

Did you see Obama born in a hospital in Hawaii? If not, then shove it as everything you read online, see in the news, told at work, or dish fed in the classroom can inherently all be hearsay! It's a war on truth out there, and we're your fellow comrades here who just want to find out the truth so stop thinking you know how it is.

And Obama is no one's savior. Go to mirror and look into it, for that's your answer to all the bull **** in the world and who's going to fix it.

Great answer Gergor yes we are our own Messiah :thumb_yello:

[Fredkc]

A review of that docket and the Rule 10 of the Supreme Court makes abundantly clear that Justice Souter's granting of a review on the Writ of Certiorari is not a right entitled to citizen Phil Berg, but rather is a matter of judcial discretion based upon a compelling reason. That compelling reason is the Constitutional requirement that "No person except a natural born citizen

....shall be eligible to the office of President..."

Berg's poorly planned attempts have been largely a waste of time, because the federal courts have ruled 4 out of 4 times that a citizen does not have standing to bring such a suit.

Now, in terms of wrong or right, this positively sucks. It means a citizen has no right to insist the person elected to a job serving him be qualified. But, it is the law. The job of qualifying candidates is given to Congress, along with the authority to delegate the job.

Berg continually insisting his facts are correct was meaningless. T'werent his job to point it out.

Next, we come to another sense of the term "compelling reason". It is standard fare in federal court, that although a plaintiff is found to lack standing, the judge can order the facts of the case to be presented anyway, where the judge determines that the there is a "compelling reason" to hear them, where he suspects they have merit.

This is where we come to the importance of the Dec 1 Supreme Court review of the matter. They can decide that such "compelling reason" exists, hand the matter back to the lower courts and order said federal courts to hear the evidence. Remember that to this point, no court has heard the facts of the case. The entire argument has been over whether or not Berg had standing to file the suit.

The facts of the case aren't in the S. Court's department. They are a court on process, and law, not facts.

If that happens, and no I don't know, but I suspect, Mr. Obama is sunk. Mind you I am basing this on human nature, and little else; but... who goes through a year-long court battle to prevent the facts of a case from being heard, when they are positive that such a hearing will prove the case groundless?

Re. the opinion Obama was "the best candidate we were offered". The way it's p[ut makes me think of baby chicks in a nest, beaks open, waiting for whatever is dropped in their mouth, "knowing" there isn't anything else. What happened to insisting on a genuine choice? What happened to the concept of being the owners of our own freedom, and choice?

Fact is, the coice of Obama vs. McCain was exactly the same as getting to choose whether your daily feeding of horsecrap was vanilla, or strawberry. No more. T'was clear to anyone who did research beyond their hopes, which were never either candidates concern.

Finally:
Change! Gosh, it sounds important. But stepping deeper in the same hole is "change". If the idea is change for the better, wouldn't it have a better standing if it was based upon a different beginning? Like the truth?

[Subsonik]

The Clintons, Obama, McCain - they're all the wrong choice!!!
You're being blinded by thinking you're getting what you want!

[Euphor|a]

Is it hot in here, or is it just me?? :sweatdrop:

[bodhisattva]

This is an IMPORTANT video by a witness, Dr. Ron Polarik certifying the FORGERY of BO's birth certificate.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z104qjwsunM&eurl=http://www.oilforimmigration.org/facts/?p=371

[Frank Samuel]

McCain was born in Panama, he ran for president. He is the senator of AZ. I'm sure he will join Obama's team to stir this country. :thumb_yello::naughty:

[Lotus]

In late July, a researcher looking to dig up dirt on Obama instead found a birth announcement that had been published in the Honolulu Advertiser on Sunday, Aug. 13, 1961.

The announcement was posted by a pro-Hillary Clinton blogger who grudgingly concluded that Obama "likely" was born Aug. 4, 1961 in Honolulu.

[pineal-pilot-in merkabah]

barrack hussein lol obama.. a fully made up name incorporating some nice hate figure names obama(osama) hussein (saddam obv).. i like barry satoro better its somehow more down to earth :)

[NancyV]

McCain was born in Panama, he ran for president. He is the senator of AZ. I'm sure he will join Obama's team to stir this country. :thumb_yello::naughty:

It doesn't matter if McCain was born in Panama. Both his parents were US citizens and his father was in the Military, so he is a natural born US citizen. Obama is not. Even is he is he still lost his citizenship when he moved to Indonesia and never became a "naturalized" US citizen upon his return. But since the constitution is basically already trashed, I won't be at all surprised that they won't do anything to find out or acknowledge the real truth about Obama's citizenship.

It's obvious the powers that be want Obama to be president. I will enjoy watching it unfold. Eventually reality will dawn on some who supported Obama when they find out that the only "change" we will get will be more control, fewer freedoms and the New World Order. Higher taxes are another fun thing to look forward to. Today they were reporting that the Obama administration/Democratic congress plans to raise the federal gas tax from 18Cents per gallon to 40Cents per gallon in increments over the next few years. So Neocons or Ultra-liberals are all the same. I used to vote for what I considered to be the lesser of two evils. No more. They are basically the same.

I personally don't care who won the election, it's going to be corrupt, controlled and will continue to tell lies about the real agendas going on in the world. Obama will not change things for the better as so many were hoping for. It was all a nice illusion. Politics is basically a farce, a way to create constant conflict which keeps the masses busy hating the other party.

Nancy

[Gnosis5]

bump



Dear Friends

Will explain here a few generic things in simple terms and will not go into too many details, although I am briefed in great detail.

As a few here know, I have been advising some of the "Constitutionalists" (Ron Paul / Palin type constituency people) from the background with rather "intellectual-spiritual" type guidance ideas, as to how to proceed, from an esoteric and legal stand point.

What eXchanger and Bodhisattva are explaining here to you all is actually important if you who live in the USA care to understand how the system is supposed to work according to the constitution.

Everyone ought to stay realm level headed and calm now and not go into any kind of mental overdrive - ok.

Now that the practical available legal steps have been taken, the "rest of the work" has to be done silently, from the minds of the seers. Noise will not produce results. Activism has to be peaceful and of spiritual nature to protect the LANDS of the ancient shamans.

There is one issue, which is that for all intents and purposes, practically speaking, the court system that rules the LANDS is under Admiralty Law, and not any longer under the old Common Law.

In other words you live under hidden Martial Law.



Furthermore there only very few Judges left inside the USA who are "approved" to dispense as experts on constitutional matters. Attorney Berg was not able apparently to ask the courts for a "Constitutional Session" in court. Most if not all courts are "Corporation" courts who work for the "Corp. US" or "corpus" for short.

Let me explain something shocking to you which I did try to explain to Project Camelot off the record in May 08 when we shot my videos at Lake Geneva.

This was all planned since way back in the early Nineties. For the machine behind the Indonesian passport holder to take out the Clinton machine in the primaries you can imagine what types of powers are involved, and this includes also occult technologies.

The fact that during September October these powers acted as if it was all a "done deal" shows you not only that the matter was decided before hand, but that they knew they had what it takes to quash everything in sight. This is serious stuff we are talking about here.

I have stated and say it again, that the people actually did vote in majority for McCain/Palin, and the votes were switched with a technology I know only the rudimentary outlines of, not the details. Seers know this.

OK and while it is correct that to some degree McCain also is somewhat part of NWO, he is on the fringes on his own, cut lose from the machine, "off the reservation" at the very least from the moment on when at the end of August he brought in the "Independent" Palin who is only "nominally" a Republican, but at heart a "Constitutionalist."

As some of you who know things in more depth do know well, Palin was most unhappy with the handlers of McCain, ashe himself was. These are the same handlers as the ones who handled the seeming "other side."

Why do you think Palin "went rogue" ???

So you make of this what you want, and this is why I did NOT predict the one who seems to have been elected to become President.

The actual President elect, believe it or not, is John McCain, and he knows it and I know it, and a very few in the know do know it. We decided to go silent and wait and see.

I suggest you all do the same and stay safe and use your minds to do the rest of the work by going within. Here we apply now our Krishnamurti type teachings.

Like the other smart and enlightened ones who spoke up here, I am on no one's side but on the side of the Constitution, and the side of human spiritual ORDER, whereas all the others are promoting human disorder. If people wish to be "radical" they must become knowledgeable first.

As to the rest - it is here: http://Passage11.com/Mirror.htm
This page is generically written and includes the above matter,
among many other things that fall into exactly this category worldwide.

Peace
Michael St.Clair

[KathyT]

But since the constitution is basically already trashed, I won't be at all surprised that they won't do anything to find out or acknowledge the real truth about Obama's citizenship.

It's obvious the powers that be want Obama to be president.

So Neocons or Ultra-liberals are all the same. I used to vote for what I considered to be the lesser of two evils. No more. They are basically the same.

I personally don't care who won the election, it's going to be corrupt, controlled and will continue to tell lies about the real agendas going on in the world. Obama will not change things for the better as so many were hoping for. It was all a nice illusion. Politics is basically a farce, a way to create constant conflict which keeps the masses busy hating the other party.

Nancy

Ditto. Ditto. Ditto. Ditto. Ditto. Ditto. Ditto. Ditto.............

If that isn't enough... I agree!

[hueyii]

Time to move on to another conspiracy theory...

http://www.boston.com/news/politics/politicalintelligence/2008/12/obama_citizensh.html

[Squeptikal]

It's obvious the powers that be want Obama to be president. I will enjoy watching it unfold. Eventually reality will dawn on some who supported Obama when they find out that the only "change" we will get will be more control, fewer freedoms and the New World Order. Higher taxes are another fun thing to look forward to. Today they were reporting that the Obama administration/Democratic congress plans to raise the federal gas tax from 18Cents per gallon to 40Cents per gallon in increments over the next few years. So Neocons or Ultra-liberals are all the same. I used to vote for what I considered to be the lesser of two evils. No more. They are basically the same.

I personally don't care who won the election, it's going to be corrupt, controlled and will continue to tell lies about the real agendas going on in the world. Obama will not change things for the better as so many were hoping for. It was all a nice illusion. Politics is basically a farce, a way to create constant conflict which keeps the masses busy hating the other party.

Nancy

Welcome to reality. What emotions are conjured up here? Helplessness, fear, suspicion, anger?

Examine that. Don't fall for it. If it does not matter who wins the election, then the election does not matter - period!

Please do not lose your/our focus. :wink2:

[hueyii]

Settle down people. Lick your wounds, the court battle is over.

http://www.boston.com/news/politics/politicalintelligence/2008/12/obama_citizensh.html

[Steve_A]

Hi hueyii,

We can't argue with the courts, so it's case closed for the time being. There is room for one more appeal.

If Obama is or isn't a natural born citizen, for me I couldn't give a toss.

However, if the case has been thrown out because of a technicality and not because of its' merits, it does leave one with a sour taste in ones' mouth. Does it not?

Best regards,

Steve




Time to move on to another conspiracy theory...

http://www.boston.com/news/politics/politicalintelligence/2008/12/obama_citizensh.html

[CIRIE]

I've seen recently that Hawaii quarter is to be 2009 release? And, there are ads online for Obama coin?
C

[Argante]

I read this article today and immediately thought of this thread... I agree with everything Chuck Baldwin has to say concerning this topic.

"Selective Constitutionalism" by Chuck Baldwin, December 9, 2008 (http://www.chuckbaldwinlive.com/c2008/cbarchive_20081209.html)

"Many conservatives are up in arms regarding the charge that President-elect Barack Obama may not have been born in the United States and is, therefore, not qualified under the U.S. Constitution to be President of the United States.

Article. II. Section. 1. of the U.S. Constitution states, "No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President . . . ." Some accuse Mr. Obama of not being born in the State of Hawaii as claimed, but in Kenya, Africa. Several people have filed various lawsuits challenging Mr. Obama's U.S. citizenship.

Historically, "natural born Citizen" has always been understood to mean someone born in the United States of America. If Barack Obama was not born in the United States, he is absolutely unqualified to be President. Hawaii's secretary of state says Obama was indeed born in that state. However, to date, Obama's actual birth certificate has not been publicly released, which only serves to add fuel to the accusations that he was not born in Hawaii.

Many conservatives seem to be obsessed with this controversy, calling it a "constitutional crisis." The fact is, however, we have been in a "constitutional crisis" for years! The problem is, most conservatives only get worked up over a potential abridgement of constitutional government when it serves their partisan political purposes. In other words, when a Democrat appears guilty of constitutional conflict, conservatives "go ballistic," but when Republicans are equally culpable of constitutional conflict, they yawn with utter indifference.

For example, the one man who has the notoriety and political clout to actually bring about some meaningful investigation and resolution to the Obama citizenship brouhaha is none other than Senator John McCain. After all, he was Obama's principal opponent in the race for the White House. Plus, as the standard-bearer for the only other major political party, he has the attention of the national media, as well as the national legislative and judicial branches of government. So, why is John McCain not at all interested in the Obama citizenship issue?

Perhaps one reason that John McCain is so uninterested in where Barack Obama was born is because he, John McCain, was not born in the United States. He was born in the country of Panama. So, let me ask readers a question: Does anyone believe if John McCain had been elected President instead of Barack Obama that any notable conservative would have been distressed about a "constitutional crisis"? Get real!

Yes, I know McCain was born to a naval officer serving in Panama at the time. That fact changes nothing. John McCain was still born in a foreign country, and under a strict interpretation of the U.S. Constitution, is not qualified to be President of the United States. Even our current State Department policy (7 FAM 1100) reads: "Despite widespread popular belief, U.S. military installations abroad and U.S. diplomatic or consular facilities are not part of the United States within the meaning of the 14th Amendment. A child born on the premises of such a facility is not subject to the jurisdiction of the United States and does not acquire U.S. citizenship by reason of birth."

Does anyone not remember the controversy surrounding the potential Presidential campaign of California Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger? Born in Austria, Schwarzenegger is a naturalized citizen of the United States and is now Governor of California. However, since Schwarzenegger is a naturalized citizen, but not a natural born citizen, he is considered unqualified to run for President.

But, again, most conservatives care little about the Constitution's requirement that a President be a "natural born Citizen." Like liberals, most conservatives are afflicted with a very debilitating disease that I call Selective Constitutionalism. They only want to apply constitutional government when it helps Republicans or hurts Democrats. Most of them really could not care less about adherence to the Constitution. If they did, they would have been up in arms for the last eight years as President George W. Bush repeatedly ignored--and even trampled--the U.S. Constitution.

Where were these "constitutional" conservatives when George W. Bush was assuming dictatorial-style powers and contravening Fourth Amendment prohibitions against warrantless searches and seizures? Where were they when Bush was ordering our emails, letters, and phone calls to be intercepted by federal police agencies without court oversight? Where were they when Bush was obliterating the Fifth and Eighth Amendments? Where were they when Bush overturned Posse Comitatus by Executive Order? Where were they when Bush dismantled the constitutional right of Habeas Corpus? Where were they when Bush lied to the American people about the invasion of Iraq and took the United States to war without a Declaration of War from Congress? Where were conservatives when Bush turned nine U.S. military installations over to the United Arab Emirates? Where were they when Bush ordered his Department of Transportation to open up America's airlines to foreign ownership? Where were they when President Bush nullified (using "signing statements") over 1,100 statutes he did not like? Where were they as President Bush and his fellow Republicans reauthorized one of the most egregiously unconstitutional pieces of legislation in modern memory: the USA Patriot Act? Where were they when Bush signed the blatantly unconstitutional McCain/Feingold Act? I could go on and on.

Ladies and gentlemen, the Republican Party has been just as culpable in violating constitutional government as the Democrat Party has--maybe more so! If the Republican and Democrat parties had any allegiance to the U.S. Constitution, neither John McCain nor Barack Obama would have been chosen as their respective Presidential nominees.

While we are on the subject, if anyone cared about constitutional government, Hillary Clinton (or any other U.S. Senator or House Member) would obviously be determined as ineligible to be given any appointment in the Obama administration under Article. I. Section. 6. of the U.S. Constitution. Why? Because the Constitution prohibits House or Senate members taking Presidential posts if the salary of the job they would take was raised while they were in Congress.

However, several past Presidents have skirted this constitutional prohibition (including Presidents Taft, Nixon, and Carter) by lowering the salary of the job back to what it was so the nominee could accept the job without receiving the pay increase that was approved while the appointee was in Congress. In fact, this sleight of hand actually has a political name. It is called "the Saxbe fix," after Nixon's appointment of Senator William Saxbe to be attorney general.

Do we have a "constitutional crisis"? You bet we do; but it is not limited to Barack Obama or the Democrat Party. The real constitutional crisis is the manner in which the American people have, for years, allowed civil magistrates from both major parties to routinely violate their oaths to preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States. God help us!"

Brightest of Blessings to all,
Argante

.

[hueyii]

...and nevermind that the birth certificate in question was shown, in its physical form, in this reality, to investigators. I posted a link about this somewhere. No wonder the Supreme Court threw it out. And for the record, the Supreme Court only releases statements about high profile cases. This obviously did not qualify.

[feeler]

I read this article today and immediately thought of this thread... I agree with everything Chuck Baldwin has to say concerning this topic.

"Selective Constitutionalism" by Chuck Baldwin, December 9, 2008


Urging you to vote for Ron Paul if Obama gets disqualified. Go back to our roots i.e. the Constitution. Recognize that 9/11 was a false flag intended to attack our Constituion.


-feeler

[peaceandlove]

This at G. Edward Griffin's site: http://www.realityzone.com/currentperiod.html

Obama's eligibility issue explodes on White House "dialogue" site as millions demand that he disclose his birth certificate. WNDN 2009 June 1, 2009 (Cached)

BORN IN THE USA?
Eligibility debate explodes on White House 'dialogue' site
77% of voters demand Obama release long-form birth certificate

Posted: June 01, 2009
9:14 pm Eastern

By Chelsea Schilling
© 2009 WorldNetDaily

The entire transparency portion of the White House website on "open government dialogue" has been overrun with citizens calling on Barack Obama to release his elusive "long-form" birth certificate to establish his constitutional eligibility to serve as president.

The forums are open to the public for participation. Joseph Farah, editor and chief executive officer of WND, has been urging those concerned about the issue to get involved.

As WND reported, on Sunday night only 30 percent of respondents in one forum demanded the president release the document. But that number exploded to nearly 80 percent after the public became aware of the White House resource.

Continues: http://www.worldnetdaily.com/?pageId=99884



SOME LINKS IN ABOVE ARTICLE:


OPEN GOVERNMENT DIALOGUE (FORUM): http://opengov.ideascale.com/akira/dtd/4423-4049
WHERE'S THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE?


WHERE'S THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE? (ARTICLE)
Americans vote with wallets to see Obama birth certificate
$40K in 1st 4 days for 'truth and transparency' billboard campaign

Posted: May 21, 2009
10:45 pm Eastern

© 2009 WorldNetDaily
UPDATE: The "Where's the Birth Certificate?" billboard campaign has exceeded $40,000 in its first four days.

WASHINGTON – As WND's billboard campaign to raise visibility of the issues surrounding Barack Obama's constitutional eligibility yesterday continued to attract eager donors, the president had this to say: "I will never hide the truth because it is uncomfortable."

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Excerpt:

Farah said the campaign was born of frustration with timid elected officials in Washington, corrupt judges around the country and a news media that show a stunning lack of curiosity about the most basic facts of Obama's background – especially how it relates to constitutional eligibility for the highest office in the land.

"As Obama transforms this country from self-governing constitutional republic to one governed by a central ruling elite, the simple fact remains that no controlling legal authority has established that he is indeed a 'natural born citizen' as the Constitution requires," Farah said. "Obama's promises of transparency have become a bad joke as he continues to hide simple, innocuous documents like his birth certificate and his student records."

Continues: http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=98787

[orthodoxymoron]

If Obama is not qualified...his handlers could use this to keep him in line...to provoke a constitutional crisis...to destroy him...to destroy America...or all of the above.

I'd love to see that old 'Where's the Beef?' commercial...modified to 'Where's the Birth Certificate?'

[Humble Janitor]

I have nothing to say but GET OVER IT!

I love how they pull numbers out of their asses. 77% of voters? Sounds like a total lie.

[peaceandlove]

If Obama is not qualified...his handlers could use this to keep him in line...to provoke a constitutional crisis...to destroy him...to destroy America...or all of the above.

I'd love to see that old 'Where's the Beef?' commercial...modified to 'Where's the Birth Certificate?'

Blessings Orthodoxymoron,

The arms of government corporatism spread far and wide. :zip: Perhaps America is already destroyed. "Where's the Freedom?"

PaL

From G. Edward Griffin...

"America's largest billboard company refuses to sell space for an advertising campaign that asks: "Where's the birth certificate?" It is not politically correct to question the President's eligibility to hold office." WND 2009 June 3 (Cached)

Cover-up: CBS Bans Eligibility Billboards
Industry signage leader rejects campaign asking simply 'Where's the birth certificate?'

Posted: June 03, 2009
8:05 pm Eastern

© 2009 WorldNetDaily

WASHINGTON – The company touting itself as the "world's largest out-of-home media" enterprise has banned WND's national billboard campaign that asks one simple question: "Where's the birth certificate?"

CBS Outdoor, a division of CBS Corp. that sells more outdoor advertising than any other billboard company in North America, refuses to accept purchases of space on any of its 550,000 displays nationwide, media buyers for WND report.

Excerpt:

"Is it unusual for a news agency to launch such a campaign?" asks Farah. "Yes it is. But we live in very unusual times. The founding fathers built special protections into the First Amendment for the free press. The reason they did that is because they understood a vibrant 'Fourth Estate' was necessary as an independent watchdog on government. It is in that tradition that WND assumes this role – since nobody else in the press will do it.

Article continues: http://wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=100022

CREED OF FREEDOM http://www.freedomforceinternational.org/freedom.cfm?fuseaction=creed

SOURCE: http://www.realityzone.com/currentperiod.html G. Edward Griffin's site.

[dolphin]

Dear Friends

Will explain here a few generic things in simple terms and will not go into too many details, although I am briefed in great detail.

As a few here know, I have been advising some of the "Constitutionalists" (Ron Paul / Palin type constituency people) from the background with rather "intellectual-spiritual" type guidance ideas, as to how to proceed, from an esoteric and legal stand point.

What eXchanger and Bodhisattva are explaining here to you all is actually important if you who live in the USA care to understand how the system is supposed to work according to the constitution.

Everyone ought to stay realm level headed and calm now and not go into any kind of mental overdrive - ok.

Now that the practical available legal steps have been taken, the "rest of the work" has to be done silently, from the minds of the seers. Noise will not produce results. Activism has to be peaceful and of spiritual nature to protect the LANDS of the ancient shamans.

There is one issue, which is that for all intents and purposes, practically speaking, the court system that rules the LANDS is under Admiralty Law, and not any longer under the old Common Law.

In other words you live under hidden Martial Law.



Furthermore there only very few Judges left inside the USA who are "approved" to dispense as experts on constitutional matters. Attorney Berg was not able apparently to ask the courts for a "Constitutional Session" in court. Most if not all courts are "Corporation" courts who work for the "Corp. US" or "corpus" for short.

Let me explain something shocking to you which I did try to explain to Project Camelot off the record in May 08 when we shot my videos at Lake Geneva.

This was all planned since way back in the early Nineties. For the machine behind the Indonesian passport holder to take out the Clinton machine in the primaries you can imagine what types of powers are involved, and this includes also occult technologies.

The fact that during September October these powers acted as if it was all a "done deal" shows you not only that the matter was decided before hand, but that they knew they had what it takes to quash everything in sight. This is serious stuff we are talking about here.

I have stated and say it again, that the people actually did vote in majority for McCain/Palin, and the votes were switched with a technology I know only the rudimentary outlines of, not the details. Seers know this.

OK and while it is correct that to some degree McCain also is somewhat part of NWO, he is on the fringes on his own, cut lose from the machine, "off the reservation" at the very least from the moment on when at the end of August he brought in the "Independent" Palin who is only "nominally" a Republican, but at heart a "Constitutionalist."

As some of you who know things in more depth do know well, Palin was most unhappy with the handlers of McCain, ashe himself was. These are the same handlers as the ones who handled the seeming "other side."

Why do you think Palin "went rogue" ???

So you make of this what you want, and this is why I did NOT predict the one who seems to have been elected to become President.

The actual President elect, believe it or not, is John McCain, and he knows it and I know it, and a very few in the know do know it. We decided to go silent and wait and see.

I suggest you all do the same and stay safe and use your minds to do the rest of the work by going within. Here we apply now our Krishnamurti type teachings.

Like the other smart and enlightened ones who spoke up here, I am on no one's side but on the side of the Constitution, and the side of human spiritual ORDER, whereas all the others are promoting human disorder. If people wish to be "radical" they must become knowledgeable first.

As to the rest - it is here: http://Passage11.com/Mirror.htm
This page is generically written and includes the above matter,
among many other things that fall into exactly this category worldwide.

Peace
Michael St.Clair

it doesn't matter if it was McCain/Palin.... they ARE ALL CORRUPT!!! including OBAMA... (exception of Ron Paul)

it's the SYSTEM that needs to change! tptb are the ones who choose. it's all theatre!

why do you insist on what the "real" votes were when the choices aren't REAL choices to begin w. you KEEP talking about Palin as if she would be good for this country .... NOT!!!!! ....you mention McCain as "WE keep silent" what are you inferring by that? sounds like you're a bit too close to the elite which just keeps this false drama going.

[Unified Serenity]

It looks like we may finally have a case heard on BO eligibility or the lack of clearning his eligibility. I'm not sure yet, but here is what WND has on it:

Judge to hear case (http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=102156)

Article states:

"A judge hearing one of the cases challenging Barack Obama's eligibility to be president has taken the unusual step of describing the dispute as a serious constitutional issue and further has begun adding letters of comment from the public to the court record.

Word of the action by U.S. Magistrate Judge Joel Schneider in Camden, N.J., comes from attorney Mario Apuzzo, who is handling the Kerchner vs. Obama case.

Apuzzo filed his lawsuit in January on behalf of Charles F. Kerchner Jr., Lowell T. Patterson, Darrell James Lenormand and Donald H. Nelson Jr. Named as defendants are Barack Hussein Obama II, the U.S., Congress, the Senate, House of Representatives and former Vice President Dick Cheney along with House Speaker Nancy Pelosi.

The case focuses on the alleged failure in Congress to follow the Constitution. That document, the lawsuit states, "provides that Congress must fully qualify the candidate 'elected' by the Electoral College Electors."

The Constitution provides, the lawsuit said, "If the president-elect shall have failed to qualify, then the vice president elect shall act as president until a president shall have qualified."

"There existed significant public doubt and grievances from plaintiffs and other concerned Americans regarding Obama's eligibility to be president and defendants had the sworn duty to protect and preserve the Constitution and specifically under the 20th Amendment, Section 3, a Constitutional obligation to confirm whether Obama, once the electors elected him, was qualified," the case explained.

"Congress is the elected representative of the American people and the people speak and act through them," the lawsuit said.

The defendants "violated" the 20th Amendment by failing to assure that Obama meets the eligibility requirements," the lawsuit said."

[waitinginthewings]

Amazing.....so many dismissals on the various cases.......that alone points the figure squarely at Obama......if he was legit.....he wouldn't hesitate to come up with his papers.

No date for next hearing?

[Unified Serenity]

Amazing.....so many dismissals on the various cases.......that alone points the figure squarely at Obama......if he was legit.....he wouldn't hesitate to come up with his papers.

No date for next hearing?

So far it looks like the judge is going to let the defendants get council and agrees it will take some time due to the number involved and their various positions. So, not sure on the dates, I just hope he does not allow too much time. He appears to want to get this case heard. We'll see.

[waitinginthewings]

So far it looks like the judge is going to let the defendants get council and agrees it will take some time due to the number involved and their various positions. So, not sure on the dates, I just hope he does not allow too much time. He appears to want to get this case heard. We'll see.

For the sake of the American people & even the world thats watching closely, I hope it gets resolved very soon....enough time has been wasted & enough roadblocks put up.

[Unified Serenity]

For the sake of the American people & even the world thats watching closely, I hope it gets resolved very soon....enough time has been wasted & enough roadblocks put up.

I found this:

CAMDEN, N.J. – Despite Attorney Mario Apuzzo’s objection to additional time being granted for defendants to respond to the complaint filed on behalf of Charles F. Kerchner questioning President Barack Hussein Obama’s eligibility, U.S. District Magistrate Judge Joel Schneider, for the District of New Jersey, granted an extension until no later than June 29.

read more at: Sonoran News (http://www.sonorannews.com/archives/2009/090624/FrntPgObama.html)

[waitinginthewings]

We have a man in the White House who refuses to disclose the very documents that would legitimize his Presidency."

As he awaits the responses to his clients’ complaint, Apuzzo has raised what he calls a “Himalayan Mountain” of contradictory evidence surrounding Obama’s birth and eligibility....from: Sonoran News


and a lot of people along the way have been paid off handsomely with taxpayers money to keep the public in the dark..........how can so many Americans still believe in Obama and trust him, when he can't even offer up the truth of who he really is.....boggles the mind:zip:

[Nebula]

wow these guys are real adamant upon this issue! im shocked nobody did the same when bush n co. stole the elections to moneyetc. plus left us a ****ed up economy!!!

well here is an interesting story from "The Voice of the White House" to further bring light to what these guys were up to:
http://www.tbrnews.org/Archives/a2954.htm

The Voice of the White House



Washington, D.C., June 23, 2009: “With the appearance, though not the public appearance, of a scorching confidential Russian government report about incredible theft and corruption in Russia, starting with Yeltsin, whom they claim was a paid CIA agent, and running up to the present day, we also learn that the Blessed Bernie Madoff took billions of his looted money and stashed it in Israeli banks and businesses. Many of us knew this but the wonderful media carefully looked the other way. The basis thesis of the long Russian report is that a gang of Russian street thugs, all Jewish, got together with the CIA and the Mossad and looted Russia of hundreds of billions of dollars in gold, precious stones, oil and other worthwhile items. And they gleefully stashed all of this loot in US, European and Israeli banks. Now, Putin wants it back and I suspect he is going to clean house in Russia very soon…before he gets the Ukraine back that is. It is really amazing about the total lack of integrity among our bankers. They took in billions in what were obviously looted Russian assets and they took in, and quickly sold off, billions of dollars worth of what the top bankers knew very well were worthless mortgages. And then, when a subservient Paulson gave them billions, they took it all and stuffed it into their pockets, bought more private jets and had million dollar private bathrooms installed in their executive suites. Iof course the public pays for this. I heard a far-right Republican yesterday say that Obama was a socialist and was grabbing up all kinds of important businesses. He went on about free trade until I pointed out that under the Bush/Cheney reign, business was given a completely free hand and as a result, they looted everything in sight but the Lincoln Memorial and totally ruined out economy. Never mind, all of them took their loot and ran off and hid it in a safe place. For sure not in an American bank, however. They know a fellow crook when they see him.”

[THE eXchanger]

This thread, is like a walk down memory lane ~

now, did he, or did he NOT

get caught with his pants down

and, a birth certificate that is a lie ???

[peaceandlove]

OK, well, here it is!!!

Hey mntruthseeker, have you ever heard about this?


I was looking for a recent Joel Skousen/Rense interview on youtube, and when I could not find it, opted to listen to this Skousen speech given at the 2009 Constitution Party National Committee Meeting.

Posted to Youtube 11/20/2009.

At minute 8:59 of Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzR4YJmOcQ0&feature=channel

Skousen mentions that Alan Keyes said to Obama in a 2004 'Open' Debate: "You know you're not even a natural born citizen." (AP was there recording it)

Obama quickly retorted:

"So what, I'm running for the Illinois Senate not the Presidency."


Skousen (Constitutional Scholar, Political Commentator) states: "It's an admission he knew he was not natural born. He knew that there was a prohibition against his running for President. How in the world would he ever dare to run for President when this was public knowledge, when it was published in the AP. When you google that story you cannot find it!!!"

He continues and expounds upon the statement in the following Part 3 Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HqPnX53SK9g&feature=channel


GREAT INFORMATION REGARDING THE PAST AND SUSPECTED FUTURE OF OUR CONTROLLING GOVERN(to control)MENT(mind) IN THIS SPEECH! 7 PARTS



:Update:

STILL LISTENING TO SPEECH and he mentions again in this part, about Obama knowing he was an illegal alien and Skousen talks about how easy it is to get a certification of live birth:

Minute 8:59 again (that's interesting)

Part 5: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0W4IY7k8O0Y&feature=channel

In Part 6 he explains that there's not going to be a collapse precipitously of the dollar, it's going to continue to go downhill slowly. What's really in store for you is another world war. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpKgBwbRi8o&feature=channel

[Northern Boy]

question is now do they act on this or just ignore it . Once again the lie has gotten too big to deny it will not only bring down Obama but discredit all behind and along side him .

[mntruthseeker]

OK, well, here it is!!!

Hey mntruthseeker, have you ever heard about this?


I was looking for a recent Joel Skousen/Rense interview on youtube, and when I could not find it, opted to listen to this Skousen speech given at the 2009 Constitution Party National Committee Meeting.

.

Posted to Youtube 11/20/2009.

At minute 8:59 of Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzR4YJmOcQ0&feature=channel

Skousen mentions that Alan Keyes said to Obama in a 2004 'Open' Debate: "You know you're not even a natural born citizen." (AP was there recording it)

Obama quickly retorted:

"So what, I'm running for the Illinois Senate not the Presidency."


Skousen (Constitutional Scholar, Political Commentator) states: "It's an admission he knew he was not natural born. He knew that there was a prohibition against his running for President. How in the world would he ever dare to run for President when this was public knowledge, when it was published in the AP. When you google that story you cannot find it!!!"

He continues and expounds upon the statement in the following Part 3 Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HqPnX53SK9g&feature=channel


GREAT INFORMATION REGARDING THE PAST AND SUSPECTED FUTURE OF OUR CONTROLLING GOVERN(to control)MENT(mind) IN THIS SPEECH! 7 PARTS



:Update:

STILL LISTENING TO SPEECH and he mentions again in this part, about Obama knowing he was an illegal alien and talks about certification of birth:

Minute 8:59 again (that's interesting)

Part 5: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0W4IY7k8O0Y&feature=channel

In Part 6 he explains that there's not going to be a collapse precipitously of the dollar, it's going to continue to go downhill slowly. What's really in store for you is another world war. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpKgBwbRi8o&feature=channel





Yes, I knew that had happened and he cheated so bad to win that election too. If people printed their name versus writing it out, they didnt count the vote. So as far as I am concern he never won the senate seat either.

He truly stinks to the core. The full year he was running I studied so hard into his background that it burned my butt how much of a free ride he got. Well we all know now WHY that happened. Can we spell FACIST

I also know in my heart that to know is power but to handle it correctly is brilliants...............I am smiling as I think of our world coming together right now in Love and blowing their plan right out of the water. Its not at all what they want, is it ? I refuse to be angry over this as I once was



January 26th 2010 is supposely his day in court..............we shall see

[gscraig]

Some of you are going to be a bit uncomfortable with this posting, but making people feel uncomfortable can be of no concern for now. I've ignored this particular threads long enough.

As some of you know from previous threads, I do not support the Republican or Democratic Hoax. I believe that you can't despise a fraudulent government and countless revealings of political corruption with one cheek, but support your favorite political party/politician that represents it, with the other. Sure you have a few Ron Paul types, but where was Ron's current ferber a decade ago, when the ground work for what's happening today was being laid? How about an even better question, where were you and your voice? Chances are, supporting whatever political affiliation you have or had. Therefore, continuing the cycle...wash, rinse, and wear it again.

There are many of our presidents whom had a poor background in terms of intelligence (critical thinking), education, and writing policy, but yet went into the White House and came out of the White House unabated. Even a couple of good hollywood actors auditioned for the role. That must of been their best performance yet. Hell, George Bush's racquet was exposed significantly in the state of Florida on voter fraud, but where was the national outcry? Well, maybe a whimper from the Democrats whom historically have been viewed as soft. Yet, many of us are clawing at the heels of the current president on the premise of a "birth certificate", when you've seen worse. Now, allow me to be clear, if he is not eligible, then he is not eligible for the position. Period. Boy, I sure hope Obama is not the closet white hat some think he is, otherwise, we sure are getting in our own way...again.

Hmmm...Let's see, do you prefer Biden? Hillary, McCain? The goal is to remove the existence of Washington and the game that is played there, not the players. Always, always, always remember that. Please tell all of the pundits and divisive political spewers to start "that" movement, for that is one I and millions of others will surely join.

Now, let's inject some more of the reality that exist here. We have a country that has never had to vote for and now have, a president who does not look like them, or to be more forthright...same skin tone. This and the Mantra of Palin and McCain's campaign, moved these particular humans in America to become the now "wide awake" and ready to take action. Afraid of socialism, when socialism infiltrated our borders decades ago. It's just trying to get an official seal placed on it now.
No, they're not going to say "it's his skin tone" and in some cases that is the truth, but the bottom line is...The presidents that looked like these Americanse are the one's that took their jobs away, true freedom and civil liberties, allowed drugs and organized crime to prosper in this country (along with them), supported cover ups, lies, and made the rich richer and the middle class and poor poorer. Now, some of them were voted right back into office, so again, where were those voices? Supporting that same ol' political dogma that has handcuffed some of you now.

Hypocrits wearing a cape. Now, that's a super deed, indeed (please forgive my sticks and stones).

The day ALL OF US can tell the Republican and Democratic politicians, radio personalites, and websites to submit their resignations and dismantle their tools of deception, hate, and self promotion, is the day you will know what "change" is all about.

[mntruthseeker]

I dont agree with all that you just wrote gscraig

I do not believe that we have had a "true elected president" for many many years.

I have gotten kicked out of forums for my true opinion of Bush/Cheney. I was not aware of the true steps to become president in the USA.

When I seen Obama come and say he was running I loved him dearly. He captured my heart and I thought, wow, finally. Then I started researching him. I didnt just go to the Chicago papers / National media or papers.....I went further. I had nothing but time on my hands and I got in way over my head in my researchings.

I knew he was being accused of having gay affairds, I wasnt there so instead I went to the gay chat rooms coming right out of the Chicago Area to get the jist of it. I wanted to know what his connection was of the murder of three gay men that he had affairs with that were also affiliated with the Trinity Church. OH YES, did I get the stories. I also looked up all the information I could involved in other churches in the Chicago area just to see what was mentioned.............PLENTY.

I also checked the trial that was going on in Chicago.......lots of info, then I checked out the hospitals that the Obamas were on the board. Also another company that Mischelle worked with. Amazing stuff.

Oh and BTW, I also researched the Clintons and was dumbfounded at how many murders they were involved with prior to just Bill being "selected". Close to 45.

No, I think to be honest, I do not like the way the world is heading but I dont see just removing Obama from office helping. WE NEED TO FIRE THEM ALL

So please do not mention skin color to me. In my familiy, I have blacks, Koreans, Native American and a bunch of hot tempered Italians.......So unless you actually know that the skin color is a factor, I would not bring it up.

I have come to the point that the only way out of all of this is us coming together.

No, I dont hate you nor do I expect to be hated for my views.

I get very confused on what I want done so I just pray for two things

Peace and Brotherhood

[Humble Janitor]

Nice to see that hatred towards Obama is alive and well in 2010.

Me? I'd rather forget about Obama and focus on more important matters. He is but one cog in the machine and a cog that isn't worth talking about at this point.

Not to dismiss anything. It's just irrevelant to think to place blame squarely upon ONE person.

I subscribe more to Wilcock's school of thought but regard Obama as generally irrevelant.

[gscraig]

Agreed, HJ. Though observation mode is best in many situations, sometimes action is required for molding futures.

Hello mntruthseeker,

I appreciate very much your energy, many of your posts and being upfront with expressing yourself. I would like to share some perspectives with you.

mntruthseeker:
I do not believe that we have had a "true elected president" for many many years.
I agree, it is why I stopped voting 15 yrs ago.

When I seen Obama come and say he was running I loved him dearly. He captured my heart and I thought, wow, finally.Yes, but it wasn't just the heart, it was the emerging consciousness of the country. Obama was saying the very things many people was feeling in this stage of our experiences on this planet. The people of all walks were rejuvenated for a better day, and removal of the old dogma. This was the brilliance of his campaign, rather genuine, deception, or both. Many still believe a better day will come from the peoples electing officials (or believing they did), not from them, the people.

I knew he was being accused of having gay affairds Yes, I was someone intrigued by this during the primaries. However, he would not be the first president in office with bisexual accounts (research it). It's interesting, when you look at all the things that has "leaked" out about Obama, but those before him maintained a bit of a tight lid.

So please do not mention skin color to me. In my familiy, I have blacks, Koreans, Native American and a bunch of hot tempered Italians.......So unless you actually know that the skin color is a factor, I would not bring it up.
Bring it up, indeed! For decades, we've been feeding the Elephant in our living rooms/country peanuts, instead of removing the Elephant. We are at the stage of our existence where we should and can talk about whatever sits on the heart for clarity. Not just talk about what's safe, or being careful of the Elephants feelings. This is how we remove barriers and falsehoods. I also indicated in my post that skin tone truly is not the motivator for some people.

I have come to the point that the only way out of all of this is us coming together
Agreed. Once we all come together, we can take back our power, take back our planet. When all of these political tv/radio/web figures realize that they are only a part of the divide and use their platform to help formulate macro solutions, the stranglehold of the hoax will begin to loosen. This is achieved when they and we can begin to move those thinking first about "their" representation/views, instead of thinking first about "our" representation/views all into the one positive direction. This also applies to all of the so called Disclosure movements, including PC. When those that are legitimate (which merging would eventually weed out) unite to form one cohesive mass entity, and not their separate venues for truth...Again, power is gained and real solutions are born.

As Obama cleverly repeated during his campaign; "I'm not going to Washington to play the game, but to remove it". People don't realize, how often he shared the blueprint for what we the people as a collective and individually need for..."Change".

[housemouse2]

This thread, is like a walk down memory lane ~

now, did he, or did he NOT

get caught with his pants down

and, a birth certificate that is a lie ???

This is the reason I say Obama is a false flag event. The short certificate released as his BC is also given to citizens not born in HW. The long certificate with detail info...such as mother, father, hospital, doctor...not released as well as a number of other papers normally released...like college thesis.


When you look around Obama and see who is surrounding him you will find a very strong connection to people with dual citizenship or questionable loyalties to another country. Israel has the most powerful lobby in Washington, has their citizens in our government jobs, and for a state the size of NH they have the 3rd most powerful military in the world.

Some people jokingly refer to this foreign fraction as the 51st state. I find any foreign government that can have that much influence in our government disturbing. Especially now that Israel is constantly threatening to destroy nuclear reactors in Iran. Which could lead us into ww3.

Then you look at the opposition to Obama. Dr. Oly Tiaz, who is leading this, is viola...an Israeli citizen. She has dual dual citizenship and goes to the middle east often.

I think something fishy is happening. Obama is probably not qualified to be president and everyone in DC knows this. Spies for Israel helped get him elected and are also using the BC issue to stir up controversy. They are playing 2 sides of the same coin.

Obama is a false flag event. He is there to shock and awe us. The CIA uses many mind control programs to get us to go along with this. IMHO they also use people we like to refer to as "whistle blowers" to further their agenda.

How many "professional" psychics have gone on the record and stated Obama is a godsend? Many have. But none of these "professionals" predicted 9/11.

I also believe some of the whistle blowers are genuine and have some inside knowledge but I've also seen very likable people who believe what they are saying draw up theories of their own in response to questions. And when you propose a theory it's very easy to believe it's fact...for in the proposer's mind it is fact.

So, I do take the whistle blowers testimony with a grain of salt, I also realize this is their livelihood and I see nothing wrong with what they are doing. I find much of it rather entertaining.

And the CIA probably does give false info through contacts to these "whistle blowers" to further distract people from real agendas. Spending a large amount of time researching ET's means the person will spend far less time researching what will actually affect them...like false wars, oil pipelines and ethnic cleansing in Gaza and the West Bank using US tax dollars and weapons.

Anyone noticed the skyrocketing price of olives lately? It's not inflation. As Israel expands in the west bank with their segregation wall, they are ripping out ancient olive trees and destroying farms. I expect olives, and olive products to go even higher. This affects us, we get products from there but no one understands or even seems to care.

Instead our media focuses on junk food news, like how many kids some lady had. What stars are getting divorced or arrested. Non existent terrorist, dead terrorist, sanitized unemployment records, false economic news, who crashed the white house party, and sex scandals.

Obama and his birth certificate will be brought out only when it is needed. And of course, it will be speculation, never actually addressed and brushed under the rug the moment another celebrity gets caught with their pants down.

[redtailhawk]

Does anyone know what the latest is on this case? Is there not a hearing, or court date this month, the 26th of Jan. where BO needs to produce his long form BC? :cup:

[Bobbie]

Alan Keys (just after minute 2)says in this video that Obama will stage terrorist attacks so that martial law can be implimented. This is the first time I've heard anyone in government make this actual statement - but it was in kind of an off the record type setting. He's in fear of our constitution being abolished because we are asleep and the regular guy has got to step up or we're going to lose it.

The problem I see is that many want to do something but don't have a point man or organizaiton to get involved with. Right now it seems to be a lot of different people doing a lot of different things with no one real focal point. Then you've got to weed out all the ones who are just in it for the power it gives having people following. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUE2ApL-Fpo

[mntruthseeker]

I have to agree with you gscraig.

As far as the elephant in the livingroom...............yes, I imagine it is many livingrooms across the world.

Oh I only brought up the gay part as I wanted to show where most of my information arrived from which forums.

I worked hard all of my life and raised 3 kids. Not looking for a pat on the back, just writing that, gone 10 to 10 1/2 hours a day, cooking meals, cleaning house and washing clothes kept me very busy. I never went past the 8th grade although I had many outside classes to progress with my employment. So I never got into the history/political scene.

It wasnt until I was bedridden that I actually took an interest. But, I have a freeling that I am not alone in my path. Many just didnt care same as I.

Yep Yep Yep...........the world is not what I thought.

So Obama got my full attention and when I would say something about him, others pointed me into other directions on other past presidents..........which I checked into and it was a never ending road. I am disgusted with what I have discovered on all the presidents going back to George Washington.

I appreciate you answering me and I truly believe your words.

I have to agree with HJ that it is time to move on......expecting the outcome of any hearing is not going to be the saving factor in anything.

I will not hold my breath as some may want but instead I will continue to pray for peace.