Moderator Election

[historycircus]

I volunteer right now, right here to be a "mod," which I assume means converstation moderator.

If I'm picked, I will not delete or edit without good reason. I only have two criteria for "good reasons," as I am an incredibly busy man, and totally lazy:

1: The indiscriminate posting of porn - like that jerk on Halloween. Or bomb building schematics. Or nuclear secrets. Anything that could get Avalon sued or put under FBI investigation (he he), or multi-post giant ding-dongs will not be moved to "Off Topic," they will be deleted permanently.

2. Personal threats. "I'm gonna' track you down with my special computer shixt, your IP, and kill you man" will not be tolerated. A personal threat is a life ban - no second chances. And we might even call the cops . . . Disagreement, if expressed rationally and non-violently, will be self-regulating.

Who else will nominate me? I said I wanted to run for POTUS, maybe Avalon is the first step? Huh?

I will only accept the position if over 30% of Avalonians give thier "yay." To have one third of Avalon support my bid for moderator would be a true honor, and I hope to have it.

Thanks

[historycircus]

You better believe I'm gonna' vote for myself.

[Dantheman62]

Two questions, when and how much will you be on? (day or night) and where is your devotion? here or another site? (you know what I mean), I like you and if I have to pick my mod I'm going to be very careful! Yes I was born at night, but it wasn't last night! I mean no disrespect but I must be sure on what I'm voting for, so give me your speech, HaHa lol! Main reason is I thought you were leaving per your goodbye thread.

[historycircus]

Two questions, when and how much will you be on? (day or night) and where is your devotion? here or another site? (you know what I mean), I like you and if I have to pick my mod I'm going to be very careful! Yes I was born at night, but it wasn't last night!

I will answer your questions honestly:

1. I am on pretty much everyday, I do a general thread check at least once an hour, and sometimes, when I am engaged in conversation, I'm on pretty constantly. If given a specific time to be "on" - a "shift" if you will - to carry out moderating duties - if by that term we mean conversation moderating - I will be there.

2. My devotion is to many things, but I am guessing that you mean "Astrovera or Avalon." Well, I say, why not both? If I serve as a "mod" here, cannot I exchange ideas elsewhere too? There are good people over there, and I guess now is a good time to say that if I get 30% of the vote (although I guess technically 33% is fairer) I will personally lobby for the lifting of the ban for all previously banned members. One more shot. You violate my rules, you're out. Keep it civil, you're in. Some, however, I feel won't come back to Avalon, and I feel that they are good people. As long as Astrovera is open, and the good people there are talking, well, I'll probably check in and say hi. Mod duties are mod duties, personal choices are personal choices - I think a lot of folks here are upset because that fine line has been crossed so many times.

I hope that answers your questions, and I hope you vote for me Dantheman.

Who picked porn site? That was supposed to be joke!

[Dantheman62]

Thanks hc, that answers everything, and I have nothing against Astrovera as much as a couple people want to think lol!, yes mod duties are indeed mod duties, and should not be shared elsewhere.You've got my vote and I trust your judgement!, not because of what you said here, but I take all past exchanges and this into consideration. Can I swear now g...d d..m....t, s...t, f....k, oops nevermind. Just being me!:mfr_omg::ban:...I'll recommend you to those I know!

[historycircus]

Thanks hc, that answers everything, and I have nothing against Astrovera as much as a couple people want to think lol!, yes mod duties are indeed mod duties, and should not be shared elsewhere.You've got my vote and I trust your judgement!, not because of what you said here, but I take all past exchanges and this into consideration. Can I swear now g...d d..m....t, s...t, f....k, oops nevermind. Just being me!:mfr_omg::ban:...I'll recommend you to those I know!

Thank you Dantheman, although I will not advocate lifting the restrictions on open vulgarities. The restrictions force us to be more creative with our keyboards, eh?

Aw, fxck it. Just vote for me.

[Dantheman62]

I did, OMGLMFAO, I almost blew Jack Daniels, doh!, not literally! Thanks dude!

[Karen]

And you run right over to Astrovera and mock me?

[Orion11]

hahaha,

i chose number 2 just because it cracked me up while reading it. lol :D

honestly tho you are cool, and i dont really care either way. lol :)

[historycircus]

And you run right over to Astrovera and mock me?

Karen, I have been engaged with Norval about spiritual matters, and I don't believe I have mocked you. Where have I mocked you? I did not post a single negative thing about you on Astrovera, nor would I. I feel bad about the way I spoke to you earlier.

[historycircus]

hahaha,

i chose number 2 just because it cracked me up while reading it. lol :D

honestly tho you are cool, and i dont really care either way. lol :)

No, Orion11, you chose number two because you have seen my posts, understand my positions on things, and don't want me to be a moderator.

That's cool - that is what a vote is all about! At least you voted - I wonder how many hard-core Avalonians will participate in choosing their own moderator?

[Orion11]

lol, hey man..

honestly , i like allot of your posts...
and actually dont disagree with your position on many things,
you are very wise, but i dont agree with 100% of anyones posts really.. not even my own. lol
so thats nothing if i disagree with something, we all do it...
i still think your cool and very intelligent.

if i really thought you were a "dillweed".. i wouldnt have chosen that answer and then told what i chose. lol
silly.

like i said, either way its all good.

peace

[historycircus]

lol, hey man..

honestly , i like allot of your posts...
and actually dont disagree with your position on many things,
you are very wise, but i dont agree with 100% of anyones posts really.. not even my own. lol
so thats nothing if i disagree with something, we all do it...
i still think your cool and very intelligent.

if i really thought you were a "dillweed".. i wouldnt have chosen that answer and then told what i chose. lol
silly.

like i said, either way its all good.

peace

Fair enough, and thanks for the vote.

Anyone else?

[historycircus]

"Bringing you back to the top"

A policy I will argue against amongst the other moderators and the administrators.

Unless two threads are merged, and the author of one wants to give recognition to the author who's post was merged with the title post.

[Anchor]

I voted for you but it was sort of an accident :)

[Dean Plejaren]

"I don't know - I thought this was a porn site."

historycircus, shame on you for creating this option in the poll, and shame on the two who voted that option.

[historycircus]

historycircus, shame on you for creating this option in the poll, and shame on the two who voted that option.

Sometimes I can be a terrible human being, I beseech thee, oh great Dean Plejaren, to forgive me.

Just so you know, had I been able to post a NB at the end of the last sentence, I would have posted four of them.

[Dean Plejaren]

Your sarcasm and lack of remorse is even worse. I would never have you moderator.

[Karen]

Karen, I have been engaged with Norval about spiritual matters, and I don't believe I have mocked you. Where have I mocked you? I did not post a single negative thing about you on Astrovera, nor would I. I feel bad about the way spoke to you earlier.

End of this post
http://www.astrovera.com/forum/showpost.php?p=3191&postcount=1

You see if you act one way in one place and another way in another place then that is looking rather two-faced to me. I did today come up with "nasty bananas" all on my own - then there it is at astrovera, complete with lots of them. Is there something I misinterpret here?

Your apologies on those two threads were appreciated. At first I wanted to zap you with some choice zingers, but like begets like and that's not where I want to spend my life energy, in a war of words. :lightsabre:

I am 100% for trying to clear up misread communication, apologizing where apologies are due, and thank you for that. The truth is I called Kerry myself yesterday about upgrading the way the forum is moderated and I was asking for a conference call where we would all discuss it, then next thing I knew, poof there was her post. I saw how some were feeling a great injustice had been done to them and I have been working to change how moderating is done on this forum in the future. Kind and gentle communication is the key as far as I'm concerned. Just talk, clear things up. Sure I may have much more serious disposition than some of you jokers (meant lovingly), but I don't see it as part of my mission to be the comedian. That job belongs to others. I think all can be allowed to express their own personality! :tongue2:

So if you have taken a mean approach to me because I am now one of the evil nazi mods - then you don't know what I'm doing every day behind the scenes to change things for the better at Avalon. Or maybe that's just your personality style. I don't go around looking to pick a fight with anyone. :trumpet: So maybe we understand each other a little bit better now?

My two encounters with you earlier today do not make you look like someone I want on a moderating team with me. But, I'll check you out a little more before voting no. I do agree on much of your campaign platform.

Peace out,
And you comedians out there, keep it light!
Karen

[historycircus]

Your sarcasm and lack of remorse is even worse. I would never have you moderator.

That was not sarcasm, it was an attempt at humor. I am sorry if it turned you off.

I respect your decision, and appreciate your vote.

Everyone here who can should vote.

[jenali11]

OK historycircus...........you got my vote...........don't let us down man......remember....this forum is FOR the members...:wink2:

[historycircus]

End of this post
http://www.astrovera.com/forum/showpost.php?p=3191&postcount=1

You see if you act one way in one place and another way in another place then that is looking rather two-faced to me. I did today come up with "nasty bananas" all on my own - then there it is at astrovera, complete with lots of them. Is there something I misinterpret here?

Your apologies on those two threads were appreciated. At first I wanted to zap you with some choice zingers, but like begets like and that's not where I want to spend my life energy, in a war of words. :lightsabre:

I am 100% for trying to clear up misread communication, apologizing where apologies are due, and thank you for that. The truth is I called Kerry myself yesterday about upgrading the way the forum is moderated and I was asking for a conference call where we would all discuss it, then next thing I knew, poof there was her post. I saw how some were feeling a great injustice had been done to them and I have been working to change how moderating is done on this forum in the future. Kind and gentle communication is the key as far as I'm concerned. Just talk, clear things up. Sure I may have much more serious disposition than some of you jokers (meant lovingly), but I don't see it as part of my mission to be the comedian. That job belongs to others. I think all can be allowed to express their own personality! :tongue2:

So if you have taken a mean approach to me because I am now one of the evil nazi mods - then you don't know what I'm doing every day behind the scenes to change things for the better at Avalon. Or maybe that's just your personality style. I don't go around looking to pick a fight with anyone. :trumpet: So maybe we understand each other a little bit better now?

My two encounters with you earlier today do not make you look like someone I want on a moderating team with me. But, I'll check you out a little more before voting no. I do agree on much of your campaign platform.

Peace out,
And you comedians out there, keep it light!
Karen

The post at Astrovera that you are referring to does not mention you, or any mods. It makes fun of the whole situation - humor, a very useful thing for us humans.

I never called you a Nazi, nor would I, and again, if I have alienated you I am sorry. I don't think, in all my posts on Avalon, I have ever criticized the mods - check my posts to see, but I don't think I have gone up against the mods. The TWO post in which we confronted each other earlier were mistakes on my part and I am sorry.

C'est la vie, mon amie?

[Dean Plejaren]

That was not sarcasm

Dude you can't even admit that much....Your ego is really out there......

I beseech thee, oh great Dean Plejaren

Unless you think I am some sort of god, that was sarcasm.

[historycircus]

OK historycircus...........you got my vote...........don't let us down man......remember....this forum is FOR the members...:wink2:

And I thank you.:woot_jump:

[Dantheman62]

Hey DeanPlejaren, I'll gladly speak for those who won't, or can't, I think everybody has had enough of your BS! Enough is enough and go somewhere else! I've heard the mods try and deal with you, I've heard Bill try and deal with you, don't leave, just get the h..ll out! God, when are you gonna get the clue! You don't make any sense and need to listen to yourself sometimes! Just my opinion, but lose the swastika, I mean, would you wear that into a job interview? Would you wear that walking down the street?, Would you wear that on your hat?, C'mon man, first impression dude! History circus just ignore him please!

[Dean Plejaren]

lose the swastika, I mean, would you wear that into a job interview?

Lose the stick man with the bird crapping on your head. Would you wear that to a job interview.

[Dantheman62]

Duh.

[GregorArturo]

LONG LIVE THE NASTY BANANAS SLASH VOTE HISTORYCIRCUS!

Oh, and Historycircus, being I'm from Maine and all which is like your East coast version of Alaska, could I be your rogue partner in crime, your second hand man with the crazy hair doo? I'm great at cult innuendo btw and I got references to back it up. :thumb_yello:

Edit note: This is so my 420th post, no way! And on that notion I would like to reenact Proposition 420 as my initial campaign promise.

[Dean Plejaren]

:thumbdown:

lol.

Give me a break Dan. I am allowed to vote no and dissagree. What are you afraid of a swastika anyway. It's not my fault you don't know what it means.

[Dantheman62]

Hey Gregor, you do have a sense of humor!, woohoo! 420!, hey Dean, I know what it means man, c'mon I was born at night but not last night, but it's about first impression.

[Dean Plejaren]

it's about first impression.

You have a bird crapping on your head so how is that a better impression? I'm glad unthinking sheep don't like the positive version of the swastika that's why I put it there specially for you to go nuts and pull your hair out like it's a scary big deal. Oh no the swastika. Run for the hills it's a bad impression.

[Dantheman62]

HaHa you're funny, no really, trust me when I say, I'm scared of nothing, I'm half german and half irish, hence my temper, so don't get me started! And I'm really tired of hijacking historycircus's thread o.k.

[historycircus]

Hijack Shmijack,

Anyway, the swastika can be off-putting, however, it is an old Native American symbol that represents the four winds. Think about winds swirling around - that is what the symbol means, at least in the good days.

Then the Nazis appropriated it. Then it became "bad."

It is both "good" and "bad," depending on context.

Now, let's get this election going folks.

Who will have me as moderator? And Dean, you already voted no, so technically I'm not asking you.

[Dean Plejaren]

Ok Dan don't whinge about me and the swastika now I gave you a poll to make it fair, we will see......

[Orion11]

well, imo.. (and i know your not asking me , since i already voted).. lol

but,

i dont think mods should be choosing themselves anymore...

thats not how it works other places, and not sure if you could tell... but it hasnt worked the geatest here, even though there are some wikked cool mods here, at the begininning it wasnt working the greatest.. still not sometimes...

I dont think ppl should choose themselves as mods.

also, you have kindof an attitude, unpleasant sometimes, with simple things, snippy at ppl for no reason with rude remarks.

Mods def shouldnt act like that.

n im not trying to point fingers and faults, as i have plenty of my own..

Just sayin... a moderator isnt just about editing and deleting posts and cleaning up the forum.. someone who moderates a place like this needs pretty decent PR skills..with all people....

heh, wish my pr skills were better sometimes i assure ya. lol

later gator.

[Reunite]

also, you have kindof an attitude, unpleasant sometimes, with simple things, snippy at ppl for no reason with rude remarks.

Mods def shouldnt act like that.

n im not trying to point fingers and faults, as i have plenty of my own..

Just sayin... a moderator isnt just about editing and deleting posts and cleaning up the forum.. someone who moderates a place like this needs pretty decent PR skills..with all people....





On the Goodbye thread
Quote:
Originally Posted by Myplanet2 View Post

Ah. so will they be joining you and the other whiney babies at the whiney baby forum?


and on Mr's Obama's Dress thread
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jenny View Post

If I had the choice ( but I haven't) I would move it to the subforum; THRASH.

Jenny




btw the word is trash not thrash Jenny. Nice to know what you think of people's opinions and observations.

Are these the mods you're happy with Orion11?

[norman]

I didn't know Kerry and Bill had approved of moderator election campaigns. Did this happen last night while I was asleep?

Historycircus, I'm not going to vote for you because I think you're up to something that has an agenda attached to it. Mods with agendas as not a good idea IMO.

[historycircus]

well, imo.. (and i know your not asking me , since i already voted).. lol

but,

i dont think mods should be choosing themselves anymore...

thats not how it works other places, and not sure if you could tell... but it hasnt worked the geatest here, even though there are some wikked cool mods here, at the begininning it wasnt working the greatest.. still not sometimes...

I dont think ppl should choose themselves as mods.

also, you have kindof an attitude, unpleasant sometimes, with simple things, snippy at ppl for no reason with rude remarks.

Mods def shouldnt act like that.

n im not trying to point fingers and faults, as i have plenty of my own..

Just sayin... a moderator isnt just about editing and deleting posts and cleaning up the forum.. someone who moderates a place like this needs pretty decent PR skills..with all people....

heh, wish my pr skills were better sometimes i assure ya. lol

later gator.

Fair enough, and thanks for the input.

[historycircus]

I didn't know Kerry and Bill had approved of moderator election campaigns. Did this happen last night while I was asleep?

Historycircus, I'm not going to vote for you because I think you're up to something that has an agenda attached to it. Mods with agendas as not a good idea IMO.

No agenda - I see a lot of people complaining about mods, and I figured this election thing might serve two purposes: 1) allow Avalonians to pick one of their own mods, and 2) to have a little fun after what was a couple of days of pretty rancorous debate over the subscription thing. Honestly, I have no hidden agenda, or whatever.

Thanks, and no matter what you decide, yay or nay, just vote.

[historycircus]

On the Goodbye thread
Quote:
Originally Posted by Myplanet2 View Post

Ah. so will they be joining you and the other whiney babies at the whiney baby forum?


and on Mr's Obama's Dress thread
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jenny View Post

If I had the choice ( but I haven't) I would move it to the subforum; THRASH.

Jenny




btw the word is trash not thrash Jenny. Nice to know what you think of people's opinions and observations.

Are these the mods you're happy with Orion11?

Thanks for the post Reunite, but I don't want this thread to turn into a referendum on current mods.

Thanks

[Ammit]

Does a swastika not look different to this?

[historycircus]

Does a swastika not look different to this?

Not sure what you're getting at - sorry.

But thanks for the vote - even though it was against me.

[Ammit]

Your welcome

[Ammit]

Not sure what you're getting at - sorry.

But thanks for the vote - even though it was against me.


Strange, I always imagined that a vote was a private choice, how were you able to find out that I voted against you then,

Sounds a wee bit dodgy to me.

Can you tell me how you found out..

[Ammit]

Not sure what you're getting at - sorry.

But thanks for the vote - even though it was against me.


it was i suppose a question as I always thought the swaztika X ends pointed to the right and the chappies pic shows them going to the left, gust asking for the difference was all.

[historycircus]

Strange, I always imagined that a vote was a private choice, how were you able to find out that I voted against you then,

Sounds a wee bit dodgy to me.

Can you tell me how you found out..

I'll be honest with, I didn't think I could tell - I thought these polls were anonymous. But shortly after I started the poll, and some votes came in, I noticed that the tally numbers for the four options stood out against the background. I clicked it just to see what would happen, and it broke down who voted for what.

I guess that might turn some people off, but I don't think it really matters - its all in good fun right?

[Humble Janitor]

I'm afraid that being a moderator is too much to handle, no matter which site you're at.

[Dantheman62]

Interesting to see the breakdown of the poll results, HeHe, I didn't know you could do that either.

[historycircus]

Interesting to see the breakdown of the poll results, HeHe, I didn't know you could do that either.

Yeah, actually I think it is a good thing.:yikes:

[Carol]

I vote for Dean as moderator. :thumb_yello:

[historycircus]

I vote for Dean as moderator. :thumb_yello:

You do that.:naughty:

[SIR GALAHAD]

HaHa you're funny, no really, trust me when I say, I'm scared of nothing, I'm half german and half irish, hence my temper, so don't get me started! And I'm really tired of hijacking historycircus's thread o.k.

Dan dear dear Dan why are you getting so much out of your pram for the swastika was around so long before German Nazis where around if you actually bother to have a look what it means before you shoot off about something you haven't even researched you will find its symbol of great power google it .

[historycircus]

While all this swastika stuff is fun (nothing like discussing the primary symbol of the world's worst and deadliest political party to add a cheer to the thread), there is something more important and fantastic to discuss:

My candidacy for moderator.

Universal health care for none!

:groupwave::groupwave::groupwave::groupwave:

[THE eXchanger]

What are you afraid of a swastika anyway. It's not my fault you don't know what it means.

The "swastika"
is one of the oldest,
and, most important magical symbols...
and, it is a shame, most people associate it with evil,
'cause it's NOT evil at all,
it is stuffed full, of answers ;)
in fact, you would be surpriSed who still uses it

brightest blessings to all
susan
(who did once, send in an email offering to be a moderator--
however, i did NOT even get an "aknowledgement/or a rejection" letter) LOL

[Orion11]

p.s..

when you create a poll...

you can choose whether or not you want to be able to see who voted for what.
You must have chosen that option.
as many other polls do not have that activated.
You didnt know eh?

hey susan, yeah... people offering themselves as moderator didnt work out the greatest...
that was kind of a silly move to begin with.

Blessings

[Dantheman62]

SIR GALAHAD, dear, dear SIR GALAHAD, Kiss my a...s!, sorry historycircus, but there's a few mosquitos flying around here!, gotta swat em once in awhile!

[historycircus]

p.s..

when you create a poll...

you can choose whether or not you want to be able to see who voted for what.
You must have chosen that option.
as many other polls do not have that activated.
You didnt know eh?

hey susan, yeah... people offering themselves as moderator didnt work out the greatest...
that was kind of a silly move to begin with.

Blessings

Nope - didn't know. This is the first time I have used a poll. I thought they were all the same.

[Trishsgate]

Got my vote although we don't always agree my friend, you have good intention and mean well.

Love & Peace
Trish

[Ammit]

SIR GALAHAD, dear, dear SIR GALAHAD, Kiss my a...s!, sorry historycircus, but there's a few mosquitos flying around here!, gotta swat em once in awhile!

???, not nice.

[Dantheman62]

Dan dear dear Dan why are you getting so much out of your pram for the swastika was around so long before German Nazis where around if you actually bother to have a look what it means before you shoot off about something you haven't even researched you will find its symbol of great power google it .
And this is???

[Ammit]

A fare comment from what I see.

[historycircus]

Got my vote although we don't always agree my friend, you have good intention and mean well.

Love & Peace
Trish

Thanks Trishgate.

[SIR GALAHAD]

SIR GALAHAD, dear, dear SIR GALAHAD, Kiss my a...s!, sorry historycircus, but there's a few mosquitos flying around here!, gotta swat em once in awhile!
Dan Dan Dan please don't be so upset all i said was check your info before opening that great big m__th of yours .Dont worry look at it as a learning curve i was merely stating that the swastika was not a symbol of evil it is a symbol of great power found in almost ancient culture in its clockwise and anticlockwise forms and its a symbol that far predates Hitlers abuse of it . So go and do some more homework on the subject before you start moaning and groaning about someones avatar then i will gladly kiss your ar_se good lick god speed xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx :tongue2: :zip:

[SIR GALAHAD]

History
&
exchanger for mods :lightsabre:

[Ammit]

I second exchanger.

[Ammit]

And flying piramid

[Ammit]

So what is this any way, i thought elections were for pepes who were chosen not choose themself!!

[historycircus]

So what is this any way, i thought elections were for pepes who were chosen not choose themself!!

I thought that instead of starting a thread titled "Should there be an elected moderator on the team," and having a discussion on the advantages and disadvantages of elections, I figured I'd just nominate myself, and go from there. After all I am the awsomest person I know.

I second all your earlier nominations too.

Cheers

[freekatz]

Universal health care for none!

:groupwave::groupwave::groupwave::groupwave:

I was reading through this thread for nothing more than the nonsense entertainment value with no intention of voting (actually I still have none because I really don't care either way).....just have to mention though that the above comment caught my eye and if I were to jump into the fray, I would definitely say no based on that!

I can't believe how many libertarian/republican every man for himself types there are on this forum. Sorry for the labeling (which I hate) but it seems to express my thoughts at the moment.

If we're all about surviving and building a new better world how do you propose doing that if it's dog eat dog survival of the fittest?

[historycircus]

I was reading through this thread for nothing more than the nonsense entertainment value with no intention of voting (actually I still have none because I really don't care either way).....just have to mention though that the above comment caught my eye and if I were to jump into the fray, I would definitely say no based on that!

I can't believe how many libertarian/republican every man for himself types there are on this forum. Sorry for the labeling (which I hate) but it seems to express my thoughts at the moment.

If we're all about surviving and building a new better world how do you propose doing that if it's dog eat dog survival of the fittest?

"Universal health care for none" was supposed to be funny because if elected, I would have absolutely no powers whatsoever to create a good health care plan. Just a joke - not a deep statement of political philosophy. I am sorry if you took offense.

I actually support universal health care in the analog world . . .

[Lotus]

It's elemental in child psychology that by ignoring kids acting out and not giving them any energy their behavior tends to change. :lol3:

[historycircus]

It's elemental in child psychology that by ignoring kids acting out and not giving them any energy their behavior tends to change. :lol3:

Apparently, my attempts at humor have been ill recieved, and for that I apologize. I have a tendancy to let my irreverence interfere with the effective communication of my ideas; let me dispense with the humor and make a serious attempt to re-explain what I'm doing here.

After reading Kerry Cassidy's post on the mods, I did a lot of thinking about recent conflicts between regular posters and moderators, and tried to figure out what, if anything, could ever be done to curb what will ALWAYS be a source of tension on forums like these. I myself have never had any posts edited or bad run ins with the mods - except for Karen yesterday, and that was peanuts compared to some of the mod/poster arguments I have seen. It dawned on me that if one or two of the moderators were picked by the forum members, that could possibly cut down on the mod/poster tension - I don't think anything could ever end it permanently, but moderator elections might reduce it.

Then I thought about getting that idea out there to people, and the first thing I wanted to do was start a thread titled "Should We Have Mod Elections?" Then I realized that that would be yet another thread where we sit around and debate, and argue, etc. I figured rather than start a fight over "should we" or "shouldn't we," I'd nominated myself and plant the seed. Why not? I like Avalon, I think moderator elections are a good idea, and a vote would be fun. I really didn't think there was anything to argue about there - people would come, vote, and maybe post why they gave their yay or nay. Believe you me, I was - and am - prepared for the negative stuff; I know the serious ideas (not the jokes) I have about the issues here on Avalon and Camelot put me in the minority. I just figured there would be nothing to fight about, or get offended over - it would be an up and down vote on the group's confidence in my moderating abilities.

That I will ultimately lose, well, is a given (although winning would be cool too). I guess what is most dissappointing, and surprising given that most here bemoan their lack of a real influence or voice in the power structures of the real world, is the voter turnout. How many thousands of people have accounts here? And only 50 people have voted - a third commiting to the useless options? This experience, at least slightly, harkens back to the comments I made on another thread earlier this week (or possibly late last week); much of the lack of power we have over the real world's socioeconomic systems is our own fault - the PTB have enjoyed increasing, unbridled power because of our own apathy and real world inaction. Many would blame the NWO for the world's problems; I think we should blame ourselves.

The course this thread has taken is not exactly what I envisioned when I started it, but it is the poll that is worth it all. If you don't want to post here, at least vote. If you don't want to vote for me, get together via the PM system or the private boards and figure out who to nominate, and put them to a public vote. I second the nomination of both eXchanger and the Flyingpyramid.

Again, I think that having one or two mods out of the whole group come from the main body of posters is fair, potentially calming, and just a good idea. They should also be term limited seats.

I am truly sorry if I have offended anyone in any way, and I hope this sets it right.

[Dean Plejaren]

eXchanger. I would have you mod right now if it was up to me who runs what. All exchanges I had with you so far have being nothing but insightful.

[Dean Plejaren]

Dan Dan Dan please don't be so upset all i said was check your info before opening that great big m__th of yours .Dont worry look at it as a learning curve i was merely stating that the swastika was not a symbol of evil it is a symbol of great power found in almost ancient culture in its clockwise and anticlockwise forms and its a symbol that far predates Hitlers abuse of it .

Yes Dan.....That is correct you do need to think more before you post. Now I made a poll for you and totally blew you out of the water maybe you can create a poll and see who wants YOU to go and stay. lol. I wonder if the results will be what you assume, as they were not exactly what you assumed about me with my poll.

All this is helping us get a reality check. That is all.....

[Orion11]

no,

just more childish b.s. that helps no one.

[Ammit]

Historycircus.

If you would have said that at the start you would have got my vote along my with my belief that Exchanger would also make a fantastic mod.

This site still seems too pent up for jokes, especially ill recieved jokes, i must confess I was one of those who ill recieved them.

That said, that was a nice repair job.

Ammit

[historycircus]

Historycircus.

If you would have said that at the start you would have got my vote along my with my belief that Exchanger would also make a fantastic mod.

This site still seems too pent up for jokes, especially ill recieved jokes, i must confess I was one of those who ill recieved them.

That said, that was a nice repair job.

Ammit

As a voice of reason, your words could not please me more. I agree, that is what should have appeared at the beginning of this thread, not three pages deep.

The swastika fight didn't help.

[KassandraLoves]

I voted I dont care although, I wish it didnt have the "shut up" part at the end.

Swastika fights are awesome. We used to have them after school in the neighborhood I grew up in. Mom would get SO Pi$$ed when id come home all covered in swastika :naughty: ....bwaaahahahaha....Lighten up guys, theres no reason to be a bunch of dou<hey dou<he bags to eachother....

Oh and P.S. eXchanger for mod, 2009!!!! hahaha...

[Reunite]

...Lighten up guys, theres no reason to be a bunch of dou<hey dou<he bags to eachother....



I like the douche bags. Especially the ones with lemon grass perfume

http://i414.photobucket.com/albums/pp227/henryflowers33/douchebag-32667.jpg

[Deoxyan]

I like the douche bags. Especially the ones with lemon grass perfume

http://i414.photobucket.com/albums/pp227/henryflowers33/douchebag-32667.jpg


:mfr_lol:

"A douche is a device used to introduce a stream of water into the body for medical or hygienic reasons, or the stream of water itself. The word comes from the French language, in which its principal meaning is a shower (it is thus a notorious false friend encountered by non-native speakers of English; the phrase for vaginal douching is douche vaginale, meaning vaginal shower).

The word can refer to the rinsing of any body cavity but usually applies to vaginal irrigation, rinsing of the vagina. A douche bag is a piece of equipment for douching: a bag for holding the water or fluid used in douching (the term douche bag can also be used as an insult). To avoid transferring intestinal bacteria into the vagina, the same bag must not be used for a vaginal douche and an enema."

[pineal-pilot-in merkabah]

historycircus, shame on you for creating this option in the poll, and shame on the two who voted that option.

:tongue2: 3 i voted this option:roll1:

[Deoxyan]

:tongue2: 3 i voted this option:roll1:

me have just voted the porn option.:tears:

[Reunite]

Sorry I thought this was a porn site too..my mistake

[freekatz]

"Universal health care for none" was supposed to be funny because if elected, I would have absolutely no powers whatsoever to create a good health care plan. Just a joke - not a deep statement of political philosophy. I am sorry if you took offense.

I actually support universal health care in the analog world . . .


Offense? I don't take offense, you are perfectly entitled to your own views. I was just spouting off my thoughts again:smoke:

[historycircus]

Offense? I don't take offense, you are perfectly entitled to your own views. I was just spouting off my thoughts again:smoke:

Fair enough, and thanks for the thoughts. I would only ask you reconsider not voting - even if that means you vote no.

[Dean Plejaren]

I like the douche bags. Especially the ones with lemon grass perfume

Are you calling her a douche bag? How rude is that.....What a lack of respect. Look at your avatar anyway, it is green jumping along like you with no manners. Covered in lemon grass perfume. What are those animals called I've never seen it before? Especially those ones.:lmao:

[Reunite]

Are you calling her a douche bag? How rude is that.....What a lack of respect. Look at your avatar anyway, it is green jumping along like you with no manners. Covered in lemon grass perfume. What are those animals called I've never seen it before? Especially those ones.:lmao:

I love your sense of humor too Dean :naughty:

[KassandraLoves]

I like the douche bags. Especially the ones with lemon grass perfume

http://i414.photobucket.com/albums/pp227/henryflowers33/douchebag-32667.jpg

mmmmm....LemonGrass.....

[bodzoyfa]

Exchanger for mod!

Just keepin' it real...

[historycircus]

Exchanger for mod!

Just keepin' it real...

At least you are honest, and at least you voted - how many of our fellow Avalonians can claim both?

:insane::insane::insane::insane:

[historycircus]

I like the douche bags. Especially the ones with lemon grass perfume

http://i414.photobucket.com/albums/pp227/henryflowers33/douchebag-32667.jpg

Your post here has inspired Baggywrinkle to create a thread for our future survival http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?p=85892#post85892 - may the douches and condoms lead us to a better future.

Vote for me!

[Average Joe]

Moderating is not something you volunteer for.

Moderating is something you are asked to do, if you have earned the right.

Then comes a choice of whether you want to or not.

[Harper]

No one has to participate if they don't want to, why are you goading people with 'at least you voted', who the hell cares about this subject, but you, history? What are you going to do anyway if you do get voted in? Are you going to storm the baricades, create a new schism, give out about it on another forum.

So the following logic is applied. I want to work at google and so I do a poll of all my mates and they all agree with me (accept a few who wouldn't participate because they don't understand how important it is -fools) that I should definately be allowed work there, cos I'm nice and I can do googly things. I tell google this but they are so corrupt that they won't listen, so I start by having a protest but they STILL won't let me work there they must be way more corrupt than we thought before etc...... and the half-truths get progagated and passed on and as the rules of chinese whispers always win out ---

BILL & KERRY ARE TOO CORRUPT TO HONOUR A FORMAL ELECTION blablabla

Elections I might add are secret ballot, so maybe start again and refine your campaign promises and have a trully meaningless election just like the real world.

I have nothing against you personally but this entitlement thing is getting me down..................................

[historycircus]

[QUOTE=Harper;86033]who the hell cares about this subject, but you, history?[QUOTE]

I kind of hoped that everyone here would, but you and others are making it clear that most do not.

Thanks!

[Harper]

yeah when I was young I hoped democracy worked and that the people in power would care about me and that when you are nice, nice things happen to you and that I would be free and all the rest.

My point is what do you think will happen when you do get the majority that you currently have?

What are you going to do? You haven't thought it through very well and why put two obvious red herrings in the poll and give out when people choose them.

Would this be yet another ill conceived revolution that changes the faces but not the aims to gain power? If you can't take the good with the bad in your campaign what will happen when you get treated the way the current mods are getting treated................would you be able to be fair to me, now that I openly disagree with you, are you sure?

[historycircus]

yeah when I was young I hoped democracy worked and that the people in power would care about me and that when you are nice, nice things happen to you and that I would be free and all the rest.

My point is what do you think will happen when you do get the majority that you currently have?

What are you going to do? You haven't thought it through very well and why put two obvious red herrings in the poll and give out when people choose them.

Would this be yet another ill conceived revolution that changes the faces but not the aims to gain power? If you can't take the good with the bad in your campaign what will happen when you get treated the way the current mods are getting treated................would you be able to be fair to me, now that I openly disagree with you, are you sure?

Harper,

I am truly sorry you feel that you live in world where your voice doesn't count. I could not imagine existing thusly, for to do so is to admit defeat, is it not?

Anyway, I think I have fought very well the urge to combat the ridicule and baiting that has surrounded this election, especially from the folks who, obviously, did not read that big steaming post I left toward the end of page three.

Also, you state that I will get the majority, but by my own criteria, that ain't enough. To win, I must get the consent of at least 1/3 of registered Avalonians. A forty percent lead out of sixty some odd votes is not good enough.

One more thing.

I've taken my lumps here from time to time for coming across as hostile - one loving individual refers to me sometimes as the "angrycircus." I actually like that - the power to feel and express passion for things I care a great deal about. But some of the folks who have posted to this thread seem pretty angry too - and while I celebrate their impassioned spirit, I question if I am the rightful primary recipient, or just someone who got in the way. As Ozzy would say, "Lay your world on me, I can take the weight."

Anyway, vote Historycicus - a man too lazy to start or fight any war, but typically too drunk to ever concede defeat!

[Orion Morris]

History, you have personally attacked me before... I dont mind you here on the fourm but I dont think that you have enough self controll to me a moderator.

[historycircus]

And you have attacked me.

Fair enough, and now we're even.

Thanks for contributing.

[Harper]

Oh Historycircus,

You make me smile as a fellow willing to say it anyway in the face of whatever is slung your way.

But what are we on the forum for but to change the fact that our voices have failed to overcome the ruling forces.

People have gotten rights and votes and equality whatever subject you like because it became obvious to the ruling classes that they couldn't any longer hope to get away with it. So from to time they concede and then change the goalposts again and we go on our merry way believing that we stuck one to the man. While they have in fact been sticking it to us in a million other ways. Do you know what I mean.

Like for instance if they had realised it a while ago that to make their slaves comfortable and entertained they actually work harder we might all have had a different history but the outcome would've been the same. I am not downhearted one bit by the whole thing, I know that if each person individually sets about to change their own heart then we can't but win. But this may not look like what anyone thinks, there may not be some 'final showdown' its may just feel like the wind changed and we got some fresh air.

take it easy

[historycircus]

Oh Historycircus,

You make me smile as a fellow willing to say it anyway in the face of whatever is slung your way.

But what are we on the forum for but to change the fact that our voices have failed to overcome the ruling forces.

People have gotten rights and votes and equality whatever subject you like because it became obvious to the ruling classes that they couldn't any longer hope to get away with it. So from to time they concede and then change the goalposts again and we go on our merry way believing that we stuck one to the man. While they have in fact been sticking it to us in a million other ways. Do you know what I mean.

Like for instance if they had realised it a while ago that to make their slaves comfortable and entertained they actually work harder we might all have had a different history but the outcome would've been the same. I am not downhearted one bit by the whole thing, I know that if each person individually sets about to change their own heart then we can't but win. But this may not look like what anyone thinks, there may not be some 'final showdown' its may just feel like the wind changed and we got some fresh air.

take it easy

No matter how entertained the slaves were, there was always the nascent resentment of reality. This resentment swelled, spread, and creshedoed with war - but slavery was defeated. I see too many people wishing to take the easy way out - to vibrate on to somewhere else - instead of fighting for what is right and good in this reality, this vibration. If it is all a test, I would think that walking out on the exam is not an option.

Thanks for your thoughts, and I meant no disrespect to you earlier.

Peace.

[Orion Morris]

Slavery was defeated? Nope.


No matter how entertained the slaves were, there was always the nascent resentment of reality. This resentment swelled, spread, and creshedoed with war - but slavery was defeated. I see too many people wishing to take the easy way out - to vibrate on to somewhere else - instead of fighting for what is right and good in this reality, this vibration. If it is all a test, I would think that walking out on the exam is not an option.

Thanks for your thoughts, and I meant no disrespect to you earlier.

Peace.

[historycircus]

Slavery was defeated? Nope.

Are you a slave Orion Morris? Do your ankles chafe under the shackles of oppression?

[Harper]

believe me to remain peaceful is not the easy way out at all, and is in fact contrary to my nature. BUT

I won't ever fight for peace, or go to war for justice, or kill one to save thousands. I won't act like a man to get a high powered job and I don't believe that you have to be in it to win it.

I will defend the sidelines as thats a great place to observe. None taken by the way, History, am of the school of thought that debate is not arguing.

best of luck to ya !!

[Orion Morris]

Well I bet we could find at least a few million people over in Asia and Africa who would beg to differ.

America also has 10% of the worlds population, and 90% of its prisoners...
These prisoners work for free and have to do what ever they are told....
They have more slaves now then they have ever had before...

And another thing... America full supports China... and countless other countries who have more than just slavery occuring...

Slavery is not gone... it has just changed into a more acceptable shape.

Here is a quote from Immortal Technique

"Our people are the product of genocide and slavery
Everything in the ghetto was how it was made to be
Designed in a process, Prison Industrial Complex
Niggaz transformed into numbers and objects
We pay the devil rent for living in hell"

[historycircus]

Well I bet we could find at least a few million people over in Asia and Africa who would beg to differ.

America also has 10% of the worlds population, and 90% of its prisoners...
These prisoners work for free and have to do what ever they are told....
They have more slaves now then they have ever had before...

And another thing... America full supports China... and countless other countries who have more than just slavery occuring...

Slavery is not gone... it has just changed into a more acceptable shape.

Here is a quote from Immortal Technique

"Our people are the product of genocide and slavery
Everything in the ghetto was how it was made to be
Designed in a process, Prison Industrial Complex
Niggaz transformed into numbers and objects
We pay the devil rent for living in hell"

As a candidate that respects sovereignty, I would say that it is the people's duty in China and Africa to rise up - not just the slaves themselves, but the communities in which it takes place. The Chinese would argue with you Orion - they see our system as the epitome of slavery. And I think that outright slavery is more noble than what we have here in the U.S. or what exists in China, because at least in an openly slave system the slaves know they are slaves, not taught to believe they are free.

I agree, we have a higher prison population than China and Russia - and eighty percent of our inmates are there for drug "crimes," not violations of personal property or civil rights. However, I've had friends in prison, and there wasn't much work getting done there. They had cable, pool tables, free internet access, free gym facilities, etc. I don't see much prison "slavin" going on outside of our high-rise office buildings, if you catch my drift.

I don't think "America" is unified enough to support anything at this juncture; but I believe you are spot on if we replace "America" with "U.S. foreign policy makers and corporate interests."

Cheers.

And vote!

[Orion Morris]

Havnt you ever heard of a prison factory?

As a candidate that respects sovereignty, I would say that it is the people's duty in China and Africa to rise up - not just the slaves themselves, but the communities in which it takes place. The Chinese would argue with you Orion - they see our system as the epitome of slavery. And I think that outright slavery is more noble than what we have here in the U.S. or what exists in China, because at least in an openly slave system the slaves know they are slaves, not taught to believe they are free.

I agree, we have a higher prison population than China and Russia - and eighty percent of our inmates are there for drug "crimes," not violations of personal property or civil rights. However, I've had friends in prison, and there wasn't much work getting done there. They had cable, pool tables, free internet access, free gym facilities, etc. I don't see much prison "slavin" going on outside of our high-rise office buildings, if you catch my drift.

I don't think "America" is unified enough to support anything at this juncture; but I believe you are spot on if we replace "America" with "U.S. foreign policy makers and corporate interests."

Cheers.

And vote!

[Harper]

yep have to agree with orion, there are still chain gangs my friend, the first time I saw prisioners working on roadsides with guns pointed at them I nearly threw up. Then again my favourite was to have them working on a beach. You know I think that might just be the most humiliating thing I ever saw.

They is work, maybe each state is different...............

[historycircus]

Havnt you ever heard of a prison factory?

Yes, yes, the making of liscense plates and all that - we could throw in trash pickup crews too.

My point is that there is far too little of that going on in our prison system - if you kill someone, rape someone, rob them, etc., you should be worked like a dog.

My only regret is that 80% who are caught up in the system, who have no place there. But that is not the prison system's problem, it is a legislative problem. There are states doing it now - 11 state legislatures at the forefront of ending the "War on Drugs/Thought." Visit the NORML website:

http://norml.org/

And then donate a few bucks to them. They actually get people waving signs in the street, and apply pressure to the legislature.

[Orion Morris]

Yes, you are right we need people waving signs in the streets and change the laws of victimless crimes...


Thank you for that link and the article

[historycircus]

Yes, you are right we need people waving signs in the streets and change the laws of victimless crimes...


Thank you for that link and the article

You are welcome, and thanks for voting!

[Orion11]

And I think that outright slavery is more noble than what we have here in the U.S. or what exists in China, because at least in an openly slave system the slaves know they are slaves, not taught to believe they are free.


wtf? .... really?

sorry, theres nothing noble about it.

[historycircus]

wtf? .... really?

sorry, theres nothing noble about it.

On historycircus's sliding scale of nobility, 0 equalling none and 10 equaling God, I would give honest slavery a .00000002, and hidden slavery a .00000001. How about that?

You respond to an awful lot of my stuff negatively for a guy who doesn't care a lot.

[Orion11]

lol
i was just wondering where you were coming from with that.

and just becasue i dont care if your a moderator or not, doesnt mean i dont care about other things.

I would respond the same way to someone else had they said it... even my Father. lol.

it has nothing to do with "you" or "your stuff".

if "god" said something that sounded off, I would question 'it' as well.

its not personal. lol

Peace

[SIR GALAHAD]

no,

just more childish b.s. that helps no one.:mfr_omg:

[Orion11]

lol

right.

[KassandraLoves]

...dance your cares away....worry's for a'nother day...let the music play....DOWN ON FRAGGLE ROCK!!!

http://images.wikia.com/muppet/images/6/69/Gobo_Fraggle.jpg


.hahahahaha.........just trying to lighten up the mood here...

[Orion11]

hahahaha!!! :D niice

Fraggles were the isshhh!! lol, i used to love them..

is that...?wembley?! lol..

i forget the names of most.. gobo was one i think... haha

id love to get some fraggle mods up in this crib! lol

[raulduke]

So I chose the "I dont care..." option, but I'm a little wary of anyone who wants to be a mod at this point. Seems like a fairly tedious job w/ very little reward.

If your in it to help this place w/ that in mind then I commend your intentions, but did you happen to read Mary Lou/Argante's warning: Potential Mod Thread (http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=6894)?

If any of that stuff is true, then best of luck, and be careful what you wish for.

Now on to the matter at hand: Fraggle friggin Rock!
Thanks for the levity Kassandra.

Fraggle Rock immediately reminds me of my grandparents house in chicago. All of us kids couldn't wait to see grandma and grandpa, but fraggle rock on HBO sealed the deal. (Mom and dad wouldn't spring for premium cable That's so weird that they started on HBO). They were the "A" grandparents for sure.

Long live all muppets and the Henson name.

http://home.no.net/fraggel/ppl/Jim%20Henson%20fraggles.jpg

[Orion11]

haha, niice :)

well said raul! i agree man.

and Ive got a sweet fraggle rock DVD if you want it. lol

http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa1/berkcontractors/funny_fraggle.jpg haha

[historycircus]

So I chose the "I dont care..." option, but I'm a little wary of anyone who wants to be a mod at this point. Seems like a fairly tedious job w/ very little reward.

If your in it to help this place w/ that in mind then I commend your intentions, but did you happen to read Mary Lou/Argante's warning: Potential Mod Thread (http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=6894)?

If any of that stuff is true, then best of luck, and be careful what you wish for.

Now on to the matter at hand: Fraggle friggin Rock!
Thanks for the levity Kassandra.

Fraggle Rock immediately reminds me of my grandparents house in chicago. All of us kids couldn't wait to see grandma and grandpa, but fraggle rock on HBO sealed the deal. (Mom and dad wouldn't spring for premium cable That's so weird that they started on HBO). They were the "A" grandparents for sure.

Long live all muppets and the Henson name.

http://home.no.net/fraggel/ppl/Jim%20Henson%20fraggles.jpg

Tedious and narrowly rewarding is what I hear, but I doubt the job of "moderator" at any forum, from Avalon to recipieswap.com, is filled with much glory. Again, I would say that if my election accomplishes anything, it will be to gain support for an Avalonian picked "mod" or two. It would be nice to win the job, but I'll settle for making the point.

So vote Historycircus - hey, you could do worse, huh?

[GoingToFast]

I volunteer right now, right here to be a "mod," which I assume means converstation moderator.

If I'm picked, I will not delete or edit without good reason. I only have two criteria for "good reasons," as I am an incredibly busy man, and totally lazy:

1: The indiscriminate posting of porn - like that jerk on Halloween. Or bomb building schematics. Or nuclear secrets. Anything that could get Avalon sued or put under FBI investigation (he he), or multi-post giant ding-dongs will not be moved to "Off Topic," they will be deleted permanently.

2. Personal threats. "I'm gonna' track you down with my special computer shixt, your IP, and kill you man" will not be tolerated. A personal threat is a life ban - no second chances. And we might even call the cops . . . Disagreement, if expressed rationally and non-violently, will be self-regulating.

Who else will nominate me? I said I wanted to run for POTUS, maybe Avalon is the first step? Huh?

I will only accept the position if over 30% of Avalonians give thier "yay." To have one third of Avalon support my bid for moderator would be a true honor, and I hope to have it.

Thanks


When I read this I get a feeling that your ego is a bit bloated and this is not the trademark of a good moderator. Bill Kerry and the Mods are keeping a good track of all the members that are posting here and that is there basis for who they choose as new mod. In your ridiculous poll there is the Porn-chose button, or what ever, this clearly shows that you are not Mod-material.

[historycircus]

When I read this I get a feeling that your ego is a bit bloated and this is not the trademark of a good moderator. Bill Kerry and the Mods are keeping a good track of all the members that are posting here and that is there basis for who they choose as new mod. In your ridiculous poll there is the Porn-chose button, or what ever, this clearly shows that you are not Mod-material.

I am sorry you feel that my ego is bloated, my poll is ridiculous, and that option 3 is morally questionable.

I would simply argue that I am extremely confident in my intellectual abilities, my poll is justified by recent developments in the mod/poster social dynamics, and option 3 injects some much needed humor - I didn't post any pictures of naked ladies, I just used the word "porn."

I do, however, respect your opinion, and ask you to reconsider your position on having a mod or two chosen from the posters, by the posters, to possibly alleviate some of the mod/poster tension - even if it isn't me who gets chosen.

Thank you.

[Orion11]

hey historycircus.....

for whatever its worth..... even tho i voted no...
i like the way you word things. lol
:)
Peace

[joe2288]

On historycircus's sliding scale of nobility, 0 equalling none and 10 equaling God, I would give honest slavery a .00000002, and hidden slavery a .00000001. How about that?

You respond to an awful lot of my stuff negatively for a guy who doesn't care a lot.


history circus you are my new hero :mfr_lol:


:roll1::roll1::roll1::roll1::roll1:

[historycircus]

hey historycircus.....

for whatever its worth..... even tho i voted no...
i like the way you word things. lol
:)
Peace

If only I could do that with a little more consistency, my campaign wouldn't be struggling in the polls.

[KassandraLoves]

haha, niice :)

well said raul! i agree man.

and Ive got a sweet fraggle rock DVD if you want it. lol

http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa1/berkcontractors/funny_fraggle.jpg haha

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaaa!!!!

[historycircus]

Well, I was able to plead my case, and get my election thread moved back up to the Avalon section, but alas, it is banished back to the deep, dark pits of Camelot "off topic" once more.

If I were a pirate, I would say "Arghhh."

Let not this minor set back to my campaign stand in the way of revolution!

Vote Historycircus!

[historycircus]

history circus you are my new hero :mfr_lol:


:roll1::roll1::roll1::roll1::roll1:

No - you are my hero.

You all are my heros.

Vote!

[historycircus]

That many actually chose "porn"?

C'mon!

Vote for me!

[raulduke]

You were the one who made: "I don't know" correspond w/ porn for some reason.:nono:

I probably would have chosen that one if not for the porn bit, but becaus of the strange options, I had to choose the "I don't care.. shut up."

Maybe these extra bits (porn/shut up) were installed for humour sake, but I think they hurt your cause.

[historycircus]

You were the one who made: "I don't know" correspond w/ porn for some reason.:nono:

I probably would have chosen that one if not for the porn bit, but becaus of the strange options, I had to choose the "I don't care.. shut up."

Maybe these extra bits (porn/shut up) were installed for humour sake, but I think they hurt your cause.

I don't know, cluelessness and porn seem kind of hand-in-glove to me, eh?

Normally, I would say thanks for voting, but since you didn't pick an option that matters, I simply don't feel obligated.

Those who voted "yes" or "no" know exactly what I mean.

Vote HistoryCircus!

[raulduke]

I don't know, cluelessness and porn seem kind of hand-in-glove to me, eh?

I guess I'm a little dense. Could you explain how not having an opinion on your plea to be a mod (cluelessness as you put it), corresponds to porn.
That doesn't really make much sense to me.


Normally, I would say thanks for voting, but since you didn't pick an option that matters, I simply don't feel obligated.

Oh no! I guess I fell into your trap where no thank yous can be issued.

Why even have options outside yes or no if you're going to deride those who choose those options (which you provided)?

Do you think they'll be forced to give you the mod status if we all vote for you?

This seems more like a popularity poll than an election to me.

If anything corresponds to porn it would be this election which imo amounts to not much more than masturbation.

[Orion11]

:D

[historycircus]

I guess I'm a little dense. Could you explain how not having an opinion on your plea to be a mod (cluelessness as you put it), corresponds to porn.
That doesn't really make much sense to me.



Oh no! I guess I fell into your trap where no thank yous can be issued.

Why even have options outside yes or no if you're going to deride those who choose those options (which you provided)?

Do you think they'll be forced to give you the mod status if we all vote for you?

This seems more like a popularity poll than an election to me.

If anything corresponds to porn it would be this election which imo amounts to not much more than masturbation.

I assure you that there is no masturbation involved.

I put the other options there for a joke.

Not running a popularity contest - could care less. Just trying to make a point - one that I think has escaped you.

Thanks anyway, and

to the rest of you:

Vote for me!

[historycircus]

:D

Explain.

[historycircus]

Only three days left. Eighty one votes thus far. Thousands of Avalonians.

What's the deal?

Vote!

[raulduke]

historycircus,

Just because I've disagreed w/ your approach does not mean I'm ignorant. I understand that you think there's a rift between mods and members, and I applaud your efforts to help find a solution. An election is an interesting idea, but it seems like it would have probably been a good idea to simply suggest the idea of electing mods from the membership and then we could have nominated members that we each might think would be suitable. When you nominate yourself it makes it more about you and less about the idea of an election, hence the popularity contest remark. And I still don't see how "I don't know" (or cluelessness as you revised) corresponds to porn in any way.


p.s. elections are normally secret ballots.

[Orion11]

Explain.

not even a "please"? lol, jeez.

hmm... i felt a smile within, so i expressed it with a " :D ", ...
that work ?

[historycircus]

not even a "please"? lol, jeez.

hmm... i felt a smile within, so i expressed it with a " :D ", ...
that work ?

No lube for you.

[historycircus]

historycircus,

Just because I've disagreed w/ your approach does not mean I'm ignorant. I understand that you think there's a rift between mods and members, and I applaud your efforts to help find a solution. An election is an interesting idea, but it seems like it would have probably been a good idea to simply suggest the idea of electing mods from the membership and then we could have nominated members that we each might think would be suitable. When you nominate yourself it makes it more about you and less about the idea of an election, hence the popularity contest remark. And I still don't see how "I don't know" (or cluelessness as you revised) corresponds to porn in any way.


p.s. elections are normally secret ballots.

Raulduke,

I agree with you. As I mentioned earlier in this thread, I thought about starting a thread titled "should we elect our mods" or something like that. But I thought throwing myself out as a candidate would get people thinking about it quicker than starting a debate thread. I knew I couldn't win - that was part of the fun.

I think the people who inhabit Avalon should get together and nominate someone they think will moderate fairly. That was the seed I was trying to plant with this thead - and will continue to fight for until the bitter end (i.e., Dec. 1). Just wait for my concession speech - it will be a doozy . . .

Unless, of course, I can get a few hundred "yes" votes - then the victory thing will force me to draft a victory speech.

Anyway, I see the wisdom in your words, and I concede that my approach to the issue was not all that well thought out.

Thanks for the reality check, Happy Thanksgiving, and thanks for the vote.

[raulduke]

Good stuff historycircus.

I'll admit I hadn't really read all that much from you before posting in this thread (which is why i didn't want to choose yes or no), but I've said before, I think first impressions are overrated.

I can see that your intentions are good. So if I could vote again, I'd vote for ya.

Happy (day after) Turkey Day to you hc.

peace

p.s. Dec. 1? That's the switch over date? I've been looking for that.

[Peer]

Hai HC,

seeing this thread for the first time today.
I cannot imagine why anyone would want to be a mod on Avalon unless not having enough trouble of his own yet....:mad3: :lol3: :zip:

[historycircus]

Good stuff historycircus.

I'll admit I hadn't really read all that much from you before posting in this thread (which is why i didn't want to choose yes or no), but I've said before, I think first impressions are overrated.

I can see that your intentions are good. So if I could vote again, I'd vote for ya.

Happy (day after) Turkey Day to you hc.

peace

p.s. Dec. 1? That's the switch over date? I've been looking for that.

Thanks raulduke - and I apologize if I seemed snotty in my earlier posts.

Dec. 1 is the day the poll and election are over - not subscriptions.

Peace.

[historycircus]

Hai HC,

seeing this thread for the first time today.
I cannot imagine why anyone would want to be a mod on Avalon unless not having enough trouble of his own yet....:mad3: :lol3: :zip:

Hi Peer, its good to hear from you again.

God knows I don't really want to be a mod, and would have to juggle my scheldule just to do it part time. But that is what serving others is about - sacrifice. Between my personal and professional responsibilities, I already operate daily on a little less than the optimum amount of sleep. I don't care though - if I win, I'll make even more time.

But I don't anticipate a victory - with only one more day to vote, and only eighty votes so far, my own criteria hasn't been met (even though I am winning according to percents).

The majority of the people here don't believe elections are real, and always complain that they don't really have a voice in the power structures of the world. I see moderator elections as a way to alleviate that fact - just a little bit. That is all I was trying to do.

I hope that after tomorrow, Avalonians will still think this is a good idea, and put someone else up for the vote.

Good to hear from ya' Peer,

Peace.

[Dantheman62]

I'm baaaack!, BURP!, mmmmm turkey!

[historycircus]

"Back to the top!"

[historycircus]

Well my fellow Avalonians, the time has come. My campaign has had been hard fought, and I appreciate the kind words I have received from some of you – your support has been most appreciated and welcome. But alas, as I look at the poll count in these last few hours of the election, it is clear that my bid for first elected moderator of Avalon has failed – the experiment to bring the idealism we identify as absent from the physical world here to the digital has failed. I offer a few humble, parting observations for my supporters and detractors alike.

In the field of conspiracy research, as it revolves around global economics, political power, and exo-politics, there are those who blame every crop failure and famine on the amorphous “New World Order,” those who flatly deny the existence or aims of such a homicidally driven organization, and those who fall somewhere in between. So often our history and our modern world are reduced to simplistic absurdities for nothing more than to cater to our limited understandings - - we alter the facts to make them fit properly into our regimes of belief, even when the square peg we are pushing doesn’t fit into the triangular hole. We too often attempt to make it to market with the cart in front of the horse; to make our realities fit the theories we have invested with meaning, despite evidence to the contrary.

I fall somewhere in the middle – I refuse to assign a “NWO” as the all powerful masters of our reality, but I do not fail to recognize the evidence that points toward cabalistic shadow regimes and economic manipulation of the masses.

I truly pity those who have come this far – who have become awake – only to throw their hands up in this reality, declare themselves helpless, or plot their escape through their own cabalistic networks of spiritual enlightenment. There is an air of selfishness in that attitude made more odious by wearing a mask of “enlightenment” – the new paradigm I yearn for has no “NWO”, and no spiritual gurus - - for both are empty and tend to retard true spiritual development. You cannot achieve spiritual enlightenment through others; there are no “true” formulas. If it were that easy, the world would be a much different place.

I recently was engaged in a conversation, and the person said “I will fight for nothing.” Have we been so browbeaten by the power structure that we believe in our own helplessness? Have we really come to the point where there is nothing left to fight for? Have we become so jaded, so cynical, that we have just given up? If we stand, at this critical moment in time, resigned to accept whatever fate befalls us, then we deserve whatever we get – and those who wish to escape this reality without attempting to solve its problems will suffer the same fate as the “NWO” – controllers and cowards alike will be cast off from the main body of humanity.

Whatever the “NWO” is, whatever their agenda may be, they are not all powerful. They control the money, but they cannot control our spirits. They control the big guns, but they cannot control our hearts. TVs are still manufactured with “off” switches, and the fact that you are reading this post on a public forum (at least for now) tells me that George Orwell’s hellish vision of “1984” has not yet been realized. There is still time to change the systems that exist – from politics to the economy – and use them for their intended purposes: to live as free men and women, raise free children, and maintain a truly free society.

With that being said, I cannot ignore that if the deck is not completely stacked yet, whatever the “NWO” is has begun shuffling the cards. The work of Perkins, Green, Larouche, and a host of others revolve around a central theme: that moneyed, private interests corrupt the social policy makers at home and abroad. That the very democracy at the core of the American narrative is being eaten away by the very cancer presidents Eisenhower and Kennedy warned us of all those years ago. Unfortunately, brothers and sisters, most are so concerned with putting food on the table from week to week that they are not interested in studying the cryptic sentiments of long dead white men in an effort to fix problems that appear to be far removed from them. Our mission, no matter how difficult it may be, needs to be getting our message out – not hoarding it among ourselves. Avalon should be a springboard for community action, not a nest for spiritual elitists.

So it is up to us to change this reality – to stop whatever PTB structure or structures that wreak havoc on our lives and condemn us to a future of servitude and death. It is a time to fight – if we were nothing more than spirit beings the universe would not have wrapped us in so much flesh and muscle. It is our duty.

Thank you dear Avalonians, and may the great power that gives us life, spins our mud-ball, and orders the cosmos bring you all peace; but more importantly may it give you strength and virtue in these trying times to come.

[Peer]

Hi Peer, its good to hear from you again.

God knows I don't really want to be a mod, and would have to juggle my scheldule just to do it part time. But that is what serving others is about - sacrifice. Between my personal and professional responsibilities, I already operate daily on a little less than the optimum amount of sleep. I don't care though - if I win, I'll make even more time.

But I don't anticipate a victory - with only one more day to vote, and only eighty votes so far, my own criteria hasn't been met (even though I am winning according to percents).

The majority of the people here don't believe elections are real, and always complain that they don't really have a voice in the power structures of the world. I see moderator elections as a way to alleviate that fact - just a little bit. That is all I was trying to do.

I hope that after tomorrow, Avalonians will still think this is a good idea, and put someone else up for the vote.

Good to hear from ya' Peer,

Peace.

Hi HC,
imho you will be of much more help to others doing what you do: making people think about what's going on out there and react to it.
As a mod you have hardly time to write anything.
But as said, that's only mho.

Peer

[Peer]

I'm baaaack!, BURP!, mmmmm turkey!

BLESS YOU....:roll1:

[Reunite]

How ironic is that History. You pleaded your case to the members of Avalon and Co. and fell short on the title of 'Mod'

However I noticed today you are now a 'Mod' over at astrovera without a campaign or hearing.

[Orion11]

Lol

[Lady of Light]

I volunteer right now, right here to be a "mod," which I assume means converstation moderator.

If I'm picked, I will not delete or edit without good reason. I only have two criteria for "good reasons," as I am an incredibly busy man, and totally lazy:

1: The indiscriminate posting of porn - like that jerk on Halloween. Or bomb building schematics. Or nuclear secrets. Anything that could get Avalon sued or put under FBI investigation (he he), or multi-post giant ding-dongs will not be moved to "Off Topic," they will be deleted permanently.

2. Personal threats. "I'm gonna' track you down with my special computer shixt, your IP, and kill you man" will not be tolerated. A personal threat is a life ban - no second chances. And we might even call the cops . . . Disagreement, if expressed rationally and non-violently, will be self-regulating.

Who else will nominate me? I said I wanted to run for POTUS, maybe Avalon is the first step? Huh?

I will only accept the position if over 30% of Avalonians give thier "yay." To have one third of Avalon support my bid for moderator would be a true honor, and I hope to have it.

Thanks

From the sounds of it, I would say you would make a wonderful moderator. I know, from reading all that I have read here, I would definitely pick you to be a moderator on any of my forums. I run a few forums myself and I know how hard it is to get good mods.

As an Admin, I applaud the fact that you are vowing to protect Avalon from legal issues.

My vote is for you.

Good luck!

Lady of Light