Obama Forgery Exposed

[bodhisattva]

Here is a new youtube video today by Dr. "Ron Polarik"


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDIVEfVGLBQ

[msv]

Just another psych-op spread all over the internet. The Guy talking doesn't have a face or a real name and we are supposed to believe what he says? It has been "planted" everywhere on the internet. Hummm....
Some links:
The "polarik" entity appears to have been created specificly for this controversy. His TownHall persona uses the name "Ron Polarik". However, I cannot find that name (or Ronald or "R") in any phonebook. The only "Polarik"s I could find are a Jeffrey Polarik in Wisconsin and Penny Polarik in Michigan. However, I doubt that "Ron" is actually Jeff or Penny. (Please don't harass Jeff or Penny. It's not their fault that Ron chose the same last name.)"

http://strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/5678

http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/post/patgund/gGgLsY

[bodhisattva]

Just another psych-op spread all over the internet. The Guy talking doesn't have a face or a real name and we are supposed to believe what he says? It has been "planted" everywhere on the internet. Hummm....
Some links:
The "polarik" entity appears to have been created specificly for this controversy. His TownHall persona uses the name "Ron Polarik". However, I cannot find that name (or Ronald or "R") in any phonebook. The only "Polarik"s I could find are a Jeffrey Polarik in Wisconsin and Penny Polarik in Michigan. However, I doubt that "Ron" is actually Jeff or Penny. (Please don't harass Jeff or Penny. It's not their fault that Ron chose the same last name.)"

http://strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/5678

http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/post/patgund/gGgLsY

You really do sound like you are in a state of denial. It is obvious you are part of Obama's flock, but many do not share your views.

"Ron Polarik" is an alias name. He has received death threats from Obama's followers.

Best wishes to you.

[hueyii]

I dont buy it. If you believe whoever put this together, Obama and his circle of power already has the ability to fool the people currently in power. Come on, do you really think a forged document wouldnt have been spotted by the folks in power? The same people that lie, cheat and kill to stay in power didnt check him out thoroughly? I think not.

[msv]

As i said before, you should get another name.

[bodhisattva]

I dont buy it. If you believe whoever put this together, Obama and his circle of power already has the ability to fool the people currently in power. Come on, do you really think a forged document wouldnt have been spotted by the folks in power? The same people that lie, cheat and kill to stay in power didnt check him out thoroughly? I think not.

No, I think the DNC, and as you put it, "the folks in power" DO KNOW, that it is a forgery. I've done my research, have you done yours?

We shall see how the next 2 months play out.

Peace out.

[bodhisattva]

As i said before, you should get another name.

As I posted to you before. If you had read my posts carefully, you would see Bodhisattva is my dog's name. I am a SPIRITUAL WARRIOR with Bodhisattva tendencies.

And I am not afraid to take on people like you. You have no intelligence in your responses, you just attack people.

[hueyii]

No, I think the DNC, and as you put it, "the folks in power" DO KNOW, that it is a forgery. I've done my research, have you done yours?

We shall see how the next 2 months play out.

Peace out.

Let me get this straight. You are behind the idea that he forged his birth certificate? Do you really believe that the DNC or any political party has such control?

Remember, the people running all the agencies who do the background checks/investigations were appointed by Bush. Majority rule only dictates passage/blockage of legislation. The real power in DC is held by the GOP. Trust me, I've lived and worked there all my life and mix with these folks. They are all packing up and looking for new jobs like they do everytime power changes hands here.

I'm guessing you still believe this forgery claim/
If so than who is he really? Was his mother real? Did his father really leave him or was he actually his mentor? What about his grandparents who raised him? Are they in on it? Who trained him for the role he is playing? When was he instructed on what he was supposed to do? What is his goal? Does his wife know? What about that wild pastor? He sure didnt sound muslim. Bible thumpin christian with sympathy for black america for sure.

When I ponder all the angles on this it just sounds crazy to think its true that he forged his birth certificate. This is compounded by all the false charges against him during the campaign that, by the way, were dismissed by the opposing party as being false.

Reading web pages and listening to youtube can only be considered as research if it is balanced by researching both sides of the argument. I doubt that is the case here. You are cherry picking information from one-sided sources. this makes you a puppet. A sheep. Wake up. Become aware of all the information. Keep the world well informed.

[wolfman]

some Comments -

1. I am quite surprise that even before Obama has a chance to get into the white house/ or start work, so many things are said and judgement are made.
2. Amercians have made their choice so give him a chance to perform.
3. It is easy to sit by the couch and pass judgements - how about the critics - what is it that you have done that your comments are so valid? if there is proof, show it - let us have the knowledge and make the judgement on own. :thumbdown:

There is a new captain on board the ship USA - before he can set the sail, people are already trying to sink the ship! I say, let him make the first sail and see how he will perform. if we want to judge him with the other presidents before him, make sure you compare him based on the situation that each president faced during that time.

I am neither a supporter of anyone, I am happy to see some other person than the current president on that ship. If that new captain says he will make changes - I am all for it!!. The tests have already started with the preparation work and his first public test will come as soon as he is sworn in.

As far as I see, this new president elect is doing his homework, making careful choices. Whoever he chooses, there will also be critics - good or bad - its there.

You can write a thousand of essays on the new president elect but if he hasn't got the chance to do anything - what does it say about your essays? ? bedtime fairy tales?

Good or bad information, if there is just heresay, just keep an open mind on things. :nono:

so channel your energy to doing more positive things. :naughty:

Here is a new youtube video today by Dr. "Ron Polarik"


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDIVEfVGLBQ

[StClair]

It is correct that DNC and many others know there s an issue the size of a mack truck coming at them. Ask yourself how they won the primaries, how Clinton was side-lined etc. and then let us step back in time a bit.


hueyii

Well you are joking right? You really do not know who he is? Do you read any other sources other than Avalon and massmedia? I really thought we were beyond all this and everyone at Avalon had somehow done their homework. Ask yourself this: Do you find it normal that all his school and university records are sealed? Does that give you a hint where to start?


Dear "msv"

why do you get so worked up when someone shares a piece of inconvenient information? Are we not here to find things out among other things?

If everything is a hoax and a psyop like you suggest I am glad you prove it to us who have reasons to feel differently. Have you seen the original birth certificate?

I explained to you already in another thread that many intelligence agencies around the world know that there is an issue with the composite person that was presented to the voters.

And sooner or later this issue will bubble back up to the surface. I am not telling you what I know, I am only helping to guide the search.

You have to take it easy and stay in an enquiring mind. Even the Clintons have gone very quiet on this issue, whereas usually they are quite vocal when it comes to this sort of thing. Does that tell you something?

Can I ask you who you are msv?

The fact is the paper is not a birth certificate, it is at best a COLB, and those who purport to have the real thing are sitting on it, and one has the right when in a sane mindset to wonder why.

This is something that is being looked at by many, and even in very high places. So this is not some light-hearted joking matter you can just brush off as a "psy-op," it will be more complex than you think.

As we showed you, the constitutionalists point out that the Electoral College has a duty to look into this. If it does not, it will later move into the awareness of the Supreme Court that already has heard noises about this.

If it was as simple as you make it out to be, then it would not be an issue, no? Then an original birth certifcate would have been produced and the matter would have been closed long ago.

I have to tell you this is not a psy-op. I cant tell you who my sources are but this issue is being looked into both from inside and from outside the USA.

You will admit that Indonesia is involved as is Kenya, and that perhaps even the birth certificate itself might prove irrelevant.


Peace

[bodhisattva]

Let me get this straight. You are behind the idea that he forged his birth certificate? Do you really believe that the DNC or any political party has such control?

Remember, the people running all the agencies who do the background checks/investigations were appointed by Bush. Majority rule only dictates passage/blockage of legislation. The real power in DC is held by the GOP. Trust me, I've lived and worked there all my life and mix with these folks. They are all packing up and looking for new jobs like they do everytime power changes hands here.

I'm guessing you still believe this forgery claim/
If so than who is he really? Was his mother real? Did his father really leave him or was he actually his mentor? What about his grandparents who raised him? Are they in on it? Who trained him for the role he is playing? When was he instructed on what he was supposed to do? What is his goal? Does his wife know? What about that wild pastor? He sure didnt sound muslim. Bible thumpin christian with sympathy for black america for sure.

When I ponder all the angles on this it just sounds crazy to think its true that he forged his birth certificate. This is compounded by all the false charges against him during the campaign that, by the way, were dismissed by the opposing party as being false.

Reading web pages and listening to youtube can only be considered as research if it is balanced by researching both sides of the argument. I doubt that is the case here. You are cherry picking information from one-sided sources. this makes you a puppet. A sheep. Wake up. Become aware of all the information. Keep the world well informed.

Those are all great questions. And I suggest you research them. I don't have time to out line all of them for you. I simply posted the video. I have spoke personally with Attorney Phillip Berg regarding this. He has the video on the front page of his site...[url]www.obamacrimes.com... his case is before the supreme court. You sound like you have a legal background....give him a call if you wish. He does not believe this is garbage.

[THE eXchanger]

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=iBgkDSw-wQ0&feature=related

father's race - african ???

in the year he was born , it would say

father's race - negroe

[broken arrow]

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[hueyii]

site...[url]www.obamacrimes.com... his case is before the supreme court.

Unbiased opinions there for sure.

I wish someone was counting how many of these theories turn out to be true.

I read your link, read the other side:

This link has actual pictures of the real thing:
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthcertificate.asp

In particular, this link as they expose lies from both sides:
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthcertificate.asp

And this:
http://news.aol.com/political-machine/2008/11/24/still-challenging-obamas-birth-certificate/

We've all beleived in things that weren't true. Our society has taught us that its ok to do this to people. It's not. It keeps them lost in a world of confusion. Be a skeptic. Stay grounded. The real truth is inside of you. Seek it out and be free. Dont get caught up in the game.

May you all find peace

[meekforce]

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=iBgkDSw-wQ0&feature=related

father's race - african ???

in the year he was born , it would say

father's race - negroe

Also interesting is that aprox .30 into the video he reference to a kenya birth certificate of dec 1963 yet the one they show on screen references to 1961 date 3.31 into the video

[hueyii]

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=iBgkDSw-wQ0&feature=related

father's race - african ???

in the year he was born , it would say

father's race - negroe

Dont beleive it. Africans have a distinct accent as compared to African americans living in the US.

[hueyii]

hueyii

Well you are joking right? You really do not know who he is? Do you read any other sources other than Avalon and massmedia? I really thought we were beyond all this and everyone at Avalon had somehow done their homework. Ask yourself this: Do you find it normal that all his school and university records are sealed? Does that give you a hint where to start?


Homework posted. The more I read, the more I see how overblown the charge is. Sorry I cant truthfully say I agree with your point of view.

The people who are pushing this have an agenda and have made other false charges. I bet they sell books. I'll meditate on it and ask for guidance. My heart tells me there is no truth in these charges tho.

May you all experience the oneness that we are. Goodnight.

[Dean Plejaren]

im sick of hearing about obama

[THE eXchanger]

his birth certifate for the year he was born in

should state NEGRO (SORRY; i spelled it wrong)
or BLACK

african - is NOT an option - for that section,
at least, NOT in the year he was born in

besides, elections are fixed

[Camdoc]

No, I think the DNC, and as you put it, "the folks in power" DO KNOW, that it is a forgery. I've done my research, have you done yours?

We shall see how the next 2 months play out.

Peace out.
It is pretty clear to the unbiased observer that Obama was "chosen" and lifted out of obscurity to at least run for president, if not to BE president, as was Bill Clinton and before that, Jimmy Carter. Had anyone heard of him (outside of Illinois) before this election campaign?

Then, look at who he chose for a running mate--a powerful Zionist. And I use that term not to mean a Jew, or Israeli, but to mean a member of the Illuminati team. Also, look at who else he is choosing for his team (if he makes it into office) --Recycled Neocons and Clinton era politicians. See this:
http://www.alternet.org/waroniraq/107666/this_is_change_20_hawks%2C_clintonites_and_neocons _to_watch_for_in_obama%27s_white_house/

What I wonder about is, did the DNC and the PTB KNOW that this was going to be an issue, and put him forward BECAUSE of it, knowing that he is ineligible to be POTUS? Did they plan for him to be sworn in, then resign, so that Biden can take over? If Obama is rejected by the electoral college, what happens then? A couple more years of Georgie Junior, while we have another campaign?

Inquiring miinds want to know. I want to know.

[Squeptikal]

his birth certifate for the year he was born in

should state NEGRO (SORRY; i spelled it wrong)
or BLACK

african - is NOT an option - for that section,
at least, NOT in the year he was born in

besides, elections are fixed

Nice try Exchanger, however you are trying to work the equation forward! This is all inverted and backwards.

By allowing Obama to get elected, the masses that voted aren't going to allow the Constitution to stand in the way of their man, and those in power know it. Yes, there may be a mainstream disclosure but do you believe that it will benefit mankind?

Some lies are meant to stay hidden and in this case, it may be better to let sleeping dogs lie.

You have my empathy.

[Waterman]

Whew,

St. Clair, we are in trouble. I had no clue that there was this much denial.

It will decided by the Supreme court, and it will be what it will be. And what it will be is many freedoms lost.

We are moving through Obama's handlers into an unprecedented time of political corruption. About the time we thought the Clinton's were corrupt, we get the Bush corruption. Then as soon as we think it can't get any worse than the Bush clan we get Obama and the old NWO guard gets placed back in power!

America, under the next puppet controlled president is headed for total dictatorship. And when some of the cool aid drinkers of America start bleeding I would not be surprised that there will still be denial. We have no time to waste, and so unfortunately no time help them from getting hungry bellies, the denial is desired and there taken upon themselves and will manifest. This is a perfect example of the real manifestation that occurs by participating in a belief system.

It isn't the talking and debating of such realities that causes the manifestation it is owning, and participating that causes the manifestation. And right here on this thread there is a perfect example. So, as Kerry has said entertaining the thought does not mean I participated in manifesting it.

Let us not ignore the common sense that produces benefit through dialog as opposed to the superstition that just talking about undesirable events will manifest things. So, let us focus on our ground crew work, and continue to put together our regional and sub cultural economies. Let's continue to realize we will be needing each other to make it through. And if people are in denial to do any of these things say a prayer for them and move on to the next person.

[Squeptikal]

Whew,

We are moving through Obama's handlers into an unprecedented time of political corruption. About the time we thought the Clinton's were corrupt, we get the Bush corruption. Then as soon as we think it can't get any worse than the Bush clan we get Obama and the old NWO guard gets placed back in power!

Let's continue to realize we will be needing each other to make it through. And if people are in denial to do any of these things say a prayer for them and move on to the next person.

Why is it that everyone assumes that we're living in times of enhanced corruption? Just look at the Kennedy thing, when I was a kid. Kennedy wants to wrest control from the CIA, while banging one of their biggest blackies' wife. He gets whacked because of it, and then she gets whacked by the younger brother Bobby. Then to restore the original balance, Bobby gets whacked. Talk about corruption! JFK was a major flaunter of power getting off on LSD, and numerous other goodies.

We only believe that this is a new standard of corruption because of our limited experiences.

I heartily agree with the end of your post...

Let's get on the with Ground Crew work and quit flirting with whitey disenfranchisement. Shift happened! Impotent remorse is not a worthy endeavor. :sneaky2:

[Bobcat]

I found it quite amusing that when he was elected the bbc had film crews in kenya. They had alot of his family members on film cheering for him. What I found amusing was, they where in a crappy tin shed and looked very poor indeed. If he can leave his own family poor and in poverty, why is he goingto help the families of the USA one little bit?

It's clear he couldnt give a damn.

The devils pupput.

Regards

Bobcat

p.s. He still hasnt produced his origional birth document. If he had nothing to worry about he would have just shown it in public and told everyone to calm down !!!

[eaglespirit]

It is ALL imploding...no matter who is in office!

The downward spiral is already in full momentum.

Politics, the crock of lies as we know it, IS leaving the planet!

It is now up to You and Me and Our Own Higher Help!

What do You want Your Life to be?

Make it so and be it!

[Ashatav]

Yeah, I heard a lot about his Kenian birth.

See these links for more details:


http://noiri.blogspot.com/2008/10/born-in-coast-provincial-general.html

http://africanpress.wordpress.com/2008/11/09/follow-up-story-mombasa-imam-who-confirmed-obamas-birth-place-arrives-in-the-uk/

http://obamacrimes.com/index.php/component/content/article/1-main/38-press-release-obama-a-dnc-admit-all-allegations-in-berg-v-obama

But what we can do when Obama is the person who more money has rised in the militari-industrial complex ever?

PD: the same persons who backs Obama are the persons behind the media, Obama is the person who more money has rised betwen the bilderberg grup to(the true name of the bilderberg is the "comitee of 500" did you know? hehe).

Cheers

[Josefine]

HELLO!!!

Let us tread gingerly on eggs and refrain from throwing stones when sitting in a house of glass.

There were two candidates in the race, both backed by the current overt and hidden establishment. This has been the case before, how could it be different this time?

St. Clair obviously favoured the McCain/Palin ticket. Even to the extent of squeezing an interpretation of Palin's astrological chart and pronouncing her ticket to be on the winning side. Then offering an apologetica that did not even address the salient point, namely that of him stretching his credentials as a professional astrologer a wee bit too far. And to what purpose? A McCain/Palin win would have been an equally challenging situation for those who want a real change of direction, given the McCain/Palin connection to Zionists, Jesuits, the open backing by a Rothschild, Christian Dominionism and Fundamentalism etc etc

How unbiased was this, St Clair?

If this were a local squabble, we might have just wished good luck. Since much more is at stake, let us hope that this administration develops in a more positive direction than our worst fear tries to dictate.

The world is ready for a change, but the change will have to start inside each and every one of us.

[Heretic]

I have been following both sides of the Obama issue since he and Hillary were in the spotlight together

I watched the Sinclair stuff emerge, and wondered why Hillary didn't take that and run with it. Even if it were all LIES he backlash alone could have won her the nomination.

I saw the Muslim accusations go by and nuthin

and then this birth certificate thing, again nuthin coming from the political arena

folks these are the same people who tried to connect him with terrorists organizations to win an election

yet nothing on such a simple solution as his place of birth

this issue that has seen tons of legal action throughout the election by various groups yet all were legally blocked left and right, and it is rather odd that one would desire to withhold showing their birth certificate in such an time as an election when just showing it would stop all these inquiries and accusations in the first place

even more strange is the complete lack of interest in the opposing team that has no problems saying "he rubs elbows with known terrorists"

either he has adequate credentials and they have been checked and accepted by those who would see him fail


Which is the stance many Obama defenders take, and they may very well be right and maybe there is just alot of believable dis-information floating around which is natural for a election year, we cant count out the possibility of error when emotions are high, political events such as elections are engineered to heighten people's emotional state; so personally I accept this as a possibility, and in this case Obama's actions confuse me...so I can see the propensity for suspicion and if Obama was not your pick for the presidency then of course you can compound that suspicion towards conspiracy theories; seems natural


OR


"They" are aware of his fraudulent credentials meaning there must be an agenda going on in which the opposing team is participating in as well


and if the latter is the case, then we have good cause to worry because then we are all witnessing another staged event to get someone "chosen" into office, not that this has not happened over and over already

I just read the "voice of the white house" over at tbrnews.org today. I read an aticle called A Knife in the Dark (http://www.tbrnews.org/Archives/a2895.htm) and learned that some of the angry hard core GOP "criminals" are going out and funding racists and or Obama opposing organizations to get them to do their dirty work for them by promoting deep resentment against Obama, and perhaps even pulling a trigger



But one branch of the Imperium has decided that the best way to disrupt the President-elect and render him powerless until the next election would be to attack him on the basis of his race. Of course they could not do this directly because of the doctrine of fairness coupled with the commonly accepted beliefs in Political Correctness so they have hit on an inherently evil plan.

At a dozen meetings held in private Beltway h9omes, the D.C. Metropolitan Club and the Cosmos Club, they have determined to fund domestic racial hate groups and encourage them to do their dirty work for them. But the problem with this sort of evil mischief is that conspiracies rarely remain secret as long as more than one person knows of them. In this case of race-baiting, one of the minor plotters confided in his wife who told her very liberal sister and by this predictable means, others have learned of it.

The Klan is experiencing a major resurgence and the economy and other current domestic issues are contributing to their anger and conviction not to mention that the white race may not be the dominant race in America in another generation.

Wouldn't it just be the kicker, that the assassination of the first black American president, was already planned to be used to send everyone over the edge and create a need for the martial law they so seem to want, and all the actions that follow which we have already considered in other conspiracy theories

it would also be a great blow for internet censorship since the internet was used to incite many hate crimes, giving them a reason to further their internet regulation schemes

Hate crime legislation would be called for as a solution to the increasing tensions between black and white, the same hate crime legislation we see as conspiracy theories today

come to think of it, it could move their agenda ahead a great deal in many areas

were he assassinated it would send this nation into absolute chaos, perhaps even worse then Kennedy

we all know order comes from chaos, an order that could be viewed as salvation by the sheep?

and if they character assassinated him before the nation by removing him due to a supreme court ruling on his birth certificate, that too could suffice into sending this nation into absolute chaos as well

enough for martial law perhaps?

I'm not saying I like the man, but look at his following and the effects he has already had in the geopolitical arena, and determine the backlashes of a blow like this

all the while the people who were REALLY meant to be in office got to move in finally as originally intended, and you can tell from recent MSM news on Hillary she is already frothing at the mouth over the Sec. State position and has probably already moved her desk in the office without even having the title yet

I agree that there is alot going on here, and the birth certificate thing is a huge deal, but I think there are bigger things happening here and this new presidency is under NO such scrutiny so far, better to be asking why Palin or Hillary didn't jump on this. Palin, bless her heart, was probably pulling her hair out to keep from saying anything about it if indeed there is a conspiracy here

Suspect Obama ONLY if you will, I suspect the whole damn thing, and I am more suspicious of the WHOLE group of people who have also not called his credentials into question more than just an agenda in which just a president elect lied about his place of origin

Paranioa?

[Frank Samuel]

Lets nominate Kerry for President in the next elections, lets check her birth certificate beforehand just in case is a forgery, we don't want to start any threads regarding the aunthenticity of the validity of her citizenship. It has occur to me that Obama might be an extraterrestial, I wonder if they have birth certificates. Obama what planet are you from ? He looks a little grey to me !!!!:naughty: Now we can all rest better knowing that the president of the USA is an extraterrestial. We come in peace you earthlings!!!:naughty::mf_rosetinted::chair:

[hueyii]

im sick of hearing about obama

Agreed. Can we just get on with it?

[Humble Janitor]

Here is a new youtube video today by Dr. "Ron Polarik"


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDIVEfVGLBQ

Give it up already.

[Humble Janitor]

You have no intelligence in your responses, you just attack people.

And you're spreading a lie. How does it feel to do that?

Anyone can create a youtube video and claim to have dirt on another person.

[eaglespirit]

And again and again and again...

It is ALL imploding...no matter who is in office!

The downward spiral is already in full momentum.

Politics, the crock of lies as we know it, IS leaving the planet!

It is now up to You and Me and Our Own Higher Help!

What do You want Your Life to be?

Make it so and be it!

[StClair]

Dear Friends...


EagleSpirit is correct with the statement here.


And again and again and again...

It is ALL imploding...no matter who is in office!

The downward spiral is already in full momentum.

Politics, the crock of lies as we know it, IS leaving the planet!

It is now up to You and Me and Our Own Higher Help!

What do You want Your Life to be?

Make it so and be it!


Look friends, Bodhisattva is correct too, and if she has the courage to point out the elephant in the room that everyone wants to pretend does not exist, then I salute her for that fortitude. She is one of the few who does not hesitate to do what is right.

Excellent points made by HERETIC in his/her post.

I would like to add to those who keep repeating the lies about Palin that Mrs. Palin is of an Oecumenical Christianism type that has nothing at all to do with what she was accused of. Everything the media made up about her has been debunked by now.

Let it rest now. Ask yourself only this: If the mass media (controlled by you know who) attacked and smeared and slandered the Palins in such blatant ways, does that not tell you something?

We had a member here in the early days who knew the Palins for decades and he wrote about it and I posted it in threads that were deleted. Also if you know what Lindsey Williams stated about oil worldwide and oil in Alaska and connect these dots you ought to get the true picture without me stating the obvious.

I agree we can move on. Lady Bodhi, you agree? We move on? Let them figure it out....

If you want to keep goin and find out more, you can count me in to back you up. I think McCain and Palin have signalled we can let it rest, things will sort themselves out in the most surprising manners soon is all i can "predict"no pun intended...

Peace

[SIR GALAHAD]

WHO CARES :wall:

[dagon]

a friend gave me this responce.

this stuff is interesting but try not to get to wound up over it. Much of it is bad science with a clear political agenda. The Republicans and the far right do not like the current political situation at all and there crying has only just begun. Keep the faith,

Im not sure on this subject. lets say its true. then what do you all expect would happen? hillery is president? hum? gorge stays in office a while linger?

interesting.

[dagon]

personally. I think we should line up most all of the politicians on the steps of the capital. and :giljotiini: then hold new elections. anything less will just produce more of the same.

[Josefine]

You ought to be kidding, St. Clair! I have seen plenty of media slander on Obama, to put it mildly. It tells me that slander is standard fare in all of our media these days.

'Oecumenical Christianism' is not a very precise term. I seem to remember that Leo Zagami claimed that Oecumenism is run by the Vatican and the Jesuits, and that their meetings have weapons trading as a side show.

What I know about the Oecumenical movement, is that it has the Roman Catholic Church as a driving force. The Vatican regards all protestant groups as heretical, lost sheep that will understand that the Pope is their one and only shepherd.

[Tara]

What would a "white hat" do if he were president? Give me an example of any political figure globally who MAY NOT be corrupt? How about Evo Morales of Bolivia. He is working on socialism, but he's a really good guy as far as I know. What is it that you are all so afraid of with Barack Obama that hasn't been done before. From kool-aid drinker to the ever SO smart all knowing ones on this thread. I still find it interesting that this info is same info blasted by right wing media. Again, these are the same people who gave us Bush/Cheney. I keep hearing how we're all doomed, and how stupid we are that we don't see it coming. What the h*ll are you talking about? What's going to happen? I've read all the conspiracies, what is the worse thing that will happen, debtor prisons, death? The amero, staged terrorists attacks, homeless, poor, hungry, broke. Most of this stuff is already happening. Why are there two threads by same poster on this issue with a video by a guy who won't even say who he is? Everytime I end a post like this I just want to erase it. Feels like such a waste of time.

[StClair]

Tara
Yes I agree.

Indeed, yes there is Evo Morales to whom I dedicated a page in my book, Aquarius One and capricorn one, the tribal leader, installed elected simultaneously to the little bottle neck whale appearing in London.... and there is also Vladimir Putin and his student Medvedev, and a few more, such as Mr. Klaus, Czech President, and a few more, hidden in waiting for later. Believe it or not, and Palin is one of "us" too hidden in her "disguise." It would be best she just looks after her immediate surroundings, as we all do in our radiant zones, see Morales, Klaus, Putin, et al.

[Sarahmay]

You ought to be kidding, St. Clair! I have seen plenty of media slander on Obama, to put it mildly. It tells me that slander is standard fare in all of our media these days.

'Oecumenical Christianism' is not a very precise term. I seem to remember that Leo Zagami claimed that Oecumenism is run by the Vatican and the Jesuits, and that their meetings have weapons trading as a side show.

What I know about the Oecumenical movement, is that it has the Roman Catholic Church as a driving force. The Vatican regards all protestant groups as heretical, lost sheep that will understand that the Pope is their one and only shepherd.

Here is what I posted about Palin that Mr. St. Clair had removed from his thread. Completely mainstream, made up of video clips of her own words:

http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml?videoId=211448&title=the-daily-shows-best-sarah

Oh yes, she has been slandered but this Obama ridiculousness that has gone nowhere, it is gospel.

[bodhisattva]

I have been following both sides of the Obama issue since he and Hillary were in the spotlight together

I watched the Sinclair stuff emerge, and wondered why Hillary didn't take that and run with it. Even if it were all LIES he backlash alone could have won her the nomination.

I saw the Muslim accusations go by and nuthin

and then this birth certificate thing, again nuthin coming from the political arena

folks these are the same people who tried to connect him with terrorists organizations to win an election

yet nothing on such a simple solution as his place of birth

this issue that has seen tons of legal action throughout the election by various groups yet all were legally blocked left and right, and it is rather odd that one would desire to withhold showing their birth certificate in such an time as an election when just showing it would stop all these inquiries and accusations in the first place

even more strange is the complete lack of interest in the opposing team that has no problems saying "he rubs elbows with known terrorists"

either he has adequate credentials and they have been checked and accepted by those who would see him fail


Which is the stance many Obama defenders take, and they may very well be right and maybe there is just alot of believable dis-information floating around which is natural for a election year, we cant count out the possibility of error when emotions are high, political events such as elections are engineered to heighten people's emotional state; so personally I accept this as a possibility, and in this case Obama's actions confuse me...so I can see the propensity for suspicion and if Obama was not your pick for the presidency then of course you can compound that suspicion towards conspiracy theories; seems natural


OR


"They" are aware of his fraudulent credentials meaning there must be an agenda going on in which the opposing team is participating in as well


and if the latter is the case, then we have good cause to worry because then we are all witnessing another staged event to get someone "chosen" into office, not that this has not happened over and over already

I just read the "voice of the white house" over at tbrnews.org today. I read an aticle called A Knife in the Dark (http://www.tbrnews.org/Archives/a2895.htm) and learned that some of the angry hard core GOP "criminals" are going out and funding racists and or Obama opposing organizations to get them to do their dirty work for them by promoting deep resentment against Obama, and perhaps even pulling a trigger



The Klan is experiencing a major resurgence and the economy and other current domestic issues are contributing to their anger and conviction not to mention that the white race may not be the dominant race in America in another generation.

Wouldn't it just be the kicker, that the assassination of the first black American president, was already planned to be used to send everyone over the edge and create a need for the martial law they so seem to want, and all the actions that follow which we have already considered in other conspiracy theories

it would also be a great blow for internet censorship since the internet was used to incite many hate crimes, giving them a reason to further their internet regulation schemes

Hate crime legislation would be called for as a solution to the increasing tensions between black and white, the same hate crime legislation we see as conspiracy theories today

come to think of it, it could move their agenda ahead a great deal in many areas

were he assassinated it would send this nation into absolute chaos, perhaps even worse then Kennedy

we all know order comes from chaos, an order that could be viewed as salvation by the sheep?

and if they character assassinated him before the nation by removing him due to a supreme court ruling on his birth certificate, that too could suffice into sending this nation into absolute chaos as well

enough for martial law perhaps?

I'm not saying I like the man, but look at his following and the effects he has already had in the geopolitical arena, and determine the backlashes of a blow like this

all the while the people who were REALLY meant to be in office got to move in finally as originally intended, and you can tell from recent MSM news on Hillary she is already frothing at the mouth over the Sec. State position and has probably already moved her desk in the office without even having the title yet

I agree that there is alot going on here, and the birth certificate thing is a huge deal, but I think there are bigger things happening here and this new presidency is under NO such scrutiny so far, better to be asking why Palin or Hillary didn't jump on this. Palin, bless her heart, was probably pulling her hair out to keep from saying anything about it if indeed there is a conspiracy here

Suspect Obama ONLY if you will, I suspect the whole damn thing, and I am more suspicious of the WHOLE group of people who have also not called his credentials into question more than just an agenda in which just a president elect lied about his place of origin

Paranioa?

Heretic,

Thank you for this great post. This is one of the most intelligent, well informed opinions I have read.

I too had a lot of the same reactions to the Larry Sinclair allegations, and the birth certificate questions which you point out.

Why were Clinton or McCain not running with this, and putting BO in a position to defend himself. If it where untrue, fine clear it up, onward and upward, but to not mention it at all? Far more juicy for them, than accusing BO, of "rubbing elbows with terrorists".

Also, with BO's millions of dollars to defend himself. Why not sue the pants off of Sinclair and Berg? Why after, Bo Biden, had Sinclair arrested after his press conference where SInclair outlined the gay sex and crack smoking with BO, where the charges dropped? Why is BO using his millions to hide behind lawyers in an attempt to get these charges dropped, as opposed to not hanging Berg and Sinclair out to dry.

And, most importantly, if someone were accusing you of all that is being alleged about BO. Would it not be your first reaction, to produce the VAULT BIRTH CERTIFICATE, and make every one of your accusers eat crow? That sure is what I would do, and then sue the pants off of them. The fact that BO is behaving as he is, is more than suspect. In my opinion, it is an admission of guilt.

In fact, he has already "produced" a copy of his COLB. Why not just ship a copy of that off to the judges in his defense? This makes things even more suspicious for me, as if it really were an authentic COLB as he and "fact"check claims, them show it!

But instead, we hear the argument of, "well, he does not have to"....what a crock!

[Josefine]

Thank you for the video-link, Sarahmay. It was truly good-natured fun compared to much of the visciousness heaped against Obama.

Good for you, St. Clair, that you know what is not entirely obvious to many of us about Sarah Palin and her future role. But you could just have said in the first place that you much prefer the McCain/Palin ticket. Instead you were underhanded about it, putting on yr astrologer's hat. Now you are putting on your guru's hat, saying that you have superiour spiritual knowledge that lead you to these conclusions. Maybe you do have knowledge about these persons on the political stage that allows you to be so absolutely certain. We just don't know for a fact that you do. Only the future can tell.

[bodhisattva]

Dear Friends...


EagleSpirit is correct with the statement here.





Look friends, Bodhisattva is correct too, and if she has the courage to point out the elephant in the room that everyone wants to pretend does not exist, then I salute her for that fortitude. She is one of the few who does not hesitate to do what is right.

Excellent points made by HERETIC in his/her post.

I would like to add to those who keep repeating the lies about Palin that Mrs. Palin is of an Oecumenical Christianism type that has nothing at all to do with what she was accused of. Everything the media made up about her has been debunked by now.

Let it rest now. Ask yourself only this: If the mass media (controlled by you know who) attacked and smeared and slandered the Palins in such blatant ways, does that not tell you something?

We had a member here in the early days who knew the Palins for decades and he wrote about it and I posted it in threads that were deleted. Also if you know what Lindsey Williams stated about oil worldwide and oil in Alaska and connect these dots you ought to get the true picture without me stating the obvious.

I agree we can move on. Lady Bodhi, you agree? We move on? Let them figure it out....

If you want to keep goin and find out more, you can count me in to back you up. I think McCain and Palin have signalled we can let it rest, things will sort themselves out in the most surprising manners soon is all i can "predict"no pun intended...

Peace

Thank you Michael.

I will move on in a few weeks. Once, Dec. 1, Dec. 5 events happen with the Supreme court....then there is Dec. 15 to look forward to with the electoral college votes. Personally, I am staying tuned in to these important decisions by the officials, because I am most curious just how deep the rabbit hole goes. I want to know if there is any justice left, and if we still have a constitution. I have not come this far, to let it all go. I want to know just what kind of American Republic I live in, or if it is really an Amerika.

That being said, all folks that don't want to be here, can move on. There is nothing keeping them here.

:wub2: to you.

[Josefine]

Oh boy, bodhishattva! I think people know why they are here and when it is time to go. I think what is keeping people here is the hope of an open exchange of opinions, this is what the idea of a democracy is all about.
Do you feel that those who disagree with you should not be here? That is what one may call a democratic deficit.

[bodhisattva]

Oh boy, bodhishattva! I think people know why they are here and when it is time to go. I think what is keeping people here is the hope of an open exchange of opinions, this is what the idea of a democracy is all about.
Do you feel that those who disagree with you should not be here? That is what one may call a democratic deficit.

No, I am referring to the people who post comments like, "who cares", or "move on"....I am totally open to open minded, informed and intelligent dialog. Heretic, is a great example of that. My comments were directed at people who don't seem to care about this issue, and I question why they would bother with their comments in the first place. When I see posts I don't care about, I don't take the time to make a "who cares" comment, I do move on.

[Sarahmay]

This issue has now hit mainstream media, so it will be exposed, disproved, and hopefully people WILL move on:

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/11/26/1689515.aspx

[joe2288]

I honestly am a obama supporter and regardless of what anyone says i think

he is going to make a good president but i did see something recently on a

underground video were a person staed the same thing as this man so i agree

that this should be looked into further

:smoke:

[Lotus]

In late July, a researcher looking to dig up dirt on Obama instead found a birth announcement that had been published in the Honolulu Advertiser on Sunday, Aug. 13, 1961.

The announcement was posted by a pro-Hillary Clinton blogger who grudgingly concluded that Obama "likely" was born Aug. 4, 1961 in Honolulu.

[John aka#404]

No, I am referring to the people who post comments like, "who cares", or "move on"....I am totally open to open minded, informed and intelligent dialog. Heretic, is a great example of that. My comments were directed at people who don't seem to care about this issue, and I question why they would bother with their comments in the first place. When I see posts I don't care about, I don't take the time to make a "who cares" comment, I do move on.

[mod hat off here]

Bodhisattva,

I just wanted to say thank you for standing up for what you question in life. I too have been questioning this whole "BO" thing since the beginning of this year. I have made varying posts elsewhere on this forum about this issue, but will not deter here.

I understand that many folks out there will hold on to the first glimpse of hope without questioning intentions, agenda, etc. And guess what... it looks like "tptwb" (the powers that wanna be - lower case intentional) have created the perfect "problem-reaction-solution" here (ie. Bush/Neocons/et al -> get the masses in a tizzy of despair -> accept the first glimpse of hope).
[the opposite can be true too... BO and team are really white knights of truth (ie. keep your friends close, but keep your enemies closer) -- if so, would they play the same games as those they oppose? and if they are... does that feel right ? Not for me. We all are much better than that.]

Unfortunately, in today's world this whole matter being questioned has of course included the race card and really... we all are much better than that. Why can we not question all of these blatant cover-ups ? The FACT that reactions occur so quickly should be the red flag. Something is up here.

I also want to say, ignore those that want to badger on about moving on or "who cares". It is not about disrespect - it is like Bodhisattva has said... let's be "... totally open to open minded, informed and intelligent dialog." This is how we should all be engaged here (and the forum as a whole). Some folks, however, feel it is their duty to throw stones here and there. Let them... and ignore them.

Thank you Heretic and Michael for your input on this issue as well.

peace, love and HUGS all around.

-John
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[SIR GALAHAD]

No, I am referring to the people who post comments like, "who cares", or "move on"....I am totally open to open minded, informed and intelligent dialog. Heretic, is a great example of that. My comments were directed at people who don't seem to care about this issue, and I question why they would bother with their comments in the first place. When I see posts I don't care about, I don't take the time to make a "who cares" comment, I do move on.

Because everyone has a right to there opinion bodhisattva and i for one don't care if obamas birth cert is a fake . Do you really think that if his birth cert was a fake that he would be the next president don't think so perhaps they want the birth cert to be a fake think about it who nos. The whole reason this forum is on a downward spiral is because of people not being allowed to speak there truth and thats why i feel Kerry has jacked
nice Dog by the way very fitting for this forum :thumb_yello:

[Fredkc]

Do you think the DNC or any political party has such control?

Well, lets see, the RNC and the DNC conspired to forge a reason for a war. Worked good enough to get over one million people killed.

So... forge a birth certificate... gee, lemme think.

[bodhisattva]

[mod hat off here]

Bodhisattva,

I just wanted to say thank you for standing up for what you question in life. I too have been questioning this whole "BO" thing since the beginning of this year. I have made varying posts elsewhere on this forum about this issue, but will not deter here.

I understand that many folks out there will hold on to the first glimpse of hope without questioning intentions, agenda, etc. And guess what... it looks like "tptwb" (the powers that wanna be - lower case intentional) have created the perfect "problem-reaction-solution" here (ie. Bush/Neocons/et al -> get the masses in a tizzy of despair -> accept the first glimpse of hope).
[the opposite can be true too... BO and team are really white knights of truth (ie. keep your friends close, but keep your enemies closer) -- if so, would they play the same games as those they oppose? and if they are... does that feel right ? Not for me. We all are much better than that.]

Unfortunately, in today's world this whole matter being questioned has of course included the race card and really... we all are much better than that. Why can we not question all of these blatant cover-ups ? The FACT that reactions occur so quickly should be the red flag. Something is up here.

I also want to say, ignore those that want to badger on about moving on or "who cares". It is not about disrespect - it is like Bodhisattva has said... let's be "... totally open to open minded, informed and intelligent dialog." This is how we should all be engaged here (and the forum as a whole). Some folks, however, feel it is their duty to throw stones here and there. Let them... and ignore them.

Thank you Heretic and Michael for your input on this issue as well.

peace, love and HUGS all around.

-John
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Thank you beautiful John.

You, and a few others here, I truly resonate with.

I am not here to bash Obama. I am merely seeking the truth where ever that leads me. I am sick of the lies, corruption and deceit that is so common these days. I want us all as God's children to live a happy, prosperous and healthy life as God intended for us.

I as a spiritual warrior will fight for that birth right, and I will do my part in educating myself with the evidence that points me in the direction of the truth.

And for those folks who don't give a rats ass about it, it is their right to exercise their free will in that way; it is just not my style to not care about something this important.

:wub2: peace and a big hug.

[davefla73]

i beleave it i think its a cheap fake, he should produce the real one!

[Lotus]

Ask yourself a simple question, do you think Obama's worried that some people on a forum think his birth certificate is fake?

This issue was trumpeted on right wing blogosphere and he still got elected.

Berg's lawsuit was thrown out.

What's all this complaining supposed to achieve?

Look how long we've been inundated with reams of info about the 9/11 conspiracy, and what's happened officially? Nothing.

So dream on.:sleep_1:

[bodhisattva]

Ask yourself a simple question, do you think Obama's worried that some people on a forum think his birth certificate is fake?

This issue was trumpeted on right wing blogosphere and he still got elected.

Berg's lawsuit was thrown out.

What's all this complaining supposed to achieve?

Look how long we've been inundated with reams of info about the 9/11 conspiracy, and what's happened officially? Nothing.

So dream on.:sleep_1:


Nope, I don't think Obama gives a rats ass about our opinions on this forum....but I suspect he is a tad bit concerned about what the Supreme Court might rule.

[Lotus]

Don't have to be psychic to predict they will throw it out!

[broken arrow]

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[bodhisattva]

the cat and mouse live in the house.

how many mice can one cat scurry?

why do they run in such a hurry?

this is a hunt not a stunt.

who bears the brunt?

confuscate the constitution.

therein lies the final solution.

if ye be bold thou shall be told.

the cat is fat and it is old.

all the bubbles, toils and troubles.

the mice do thirst and the cat doth burst.

full of this and that 1,2,3, too much fat.

had enough?

what's the skinny?

need more cowbell?

ding dong clang.

join the gang.

This little mouse says, that sounds like some good fat cat advice to me.:trumpet:

[Myra]

Nope, I don't think Obama gives a rats ass about our opinions on this forum....but I suspect he is a tad bit concerned about what the Supreme Court might rule.

Oh I get it. The Extreme Reich-Wing is so desperate for an Obama sabotage because none of their other bogus attempts worked, so they are depending on their illegitimate wishes to be granted by a Bush-stacked Supreme Court. :naughty:

Whining sore losers. A broken Record ad nauseum. :thumbdown:

Nice try. :lmao:

Don't have to be psychic to predict they will throw it out!

And so is my prediction. :thumb_yello:

[broken arrow]

.

[Myra]

Myra,

i do LOVE your avatar. been meaning to say so. been waiting for the opportunity. :original:

peace. :wub2:

Thanks broken arrow. I love it too! :biggrin2:

[raulduke]

Oh I get it. The Extreme Reich-Wing is so desperate for an Obama sabotage because none of their other bogus attempts worked, so they are depending on their illegitimate wishes to be granted by a Bush-stacked Supreme Court.

Whining sore losers....


I agree that this will be thrown out in a hurry, but maybe we should ask why a "Bush stacked" supreme court would do this?

The conseravative judges that Reagan/Bushes appointed are supposed to hold judicial restraint in the highest regard, so why would they overlook a legitimate discrepency in BO's constitutional requirements for his elected office? Not to mention the whole percieved left/right liberal/conservative game. Why not jump on this chance to vanquish a rival? Maybe because what's good for the dems is also good for the reps. The differnces are only skin deep (i.e, campaign promises that won't materialize).

Is the constitution irrelevant? I'm seriously asking, because i've heard some people say that they don't care if he meets the specific constitutional requirements. If we open that door, then look out for Arnold, he's knocking.

p.s. I didn't vote for either corporate clown so I'm not sore or a loser, but I may be whiny depending on your pov:lol3:. Oh yeah, and questioning Obama, I don't think qualifies us necessarily as the "The Extreme Reich-Wing" imho.

[Heretic]

I thought this was an interesting development

The complaint urges the California secretary of state to refuse to allow the state's 55 Electoral College votes to be cast until Obama's citizenship and related eligibility to hold office is resolved.

Orders from new president to spark lawsuit every time
Lawyer lining up plaintiff groups until citizenship dispute addressed

Posted: November 25, 2008
9:18 pm Eastern

By Bob Unruh
© 2008 WorldNetDaily (http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=82033)

[Old Bich]

http://web.mac.com/donnicoloff

Under "Articles" on this website is a fairly comprehensive background on BO and extended family. It compares BO's "official or public version" of himself with documented facts, that bear almost no resemblance to his public persona. It's quite lengthy, but well worth the read. The article includes backgrounds/genealogical histories on his family members as well.

Of note, there is also a similar research article on McCain.

IMHO, BO was chosen by TPTB long ago. He is NOT who he has been presented to be. Neither is McCain, but he's not the subject of the OP.

As an aside, those of you in the US, if you haven't listened to Michael Badnarik's Constitution Class, I highly recommend it. Sounds boring I know, but truly it's not. It's available on google videos in 7 one-hour parts. I have found that recommending this series of videos to people who need to wake up and learn the truth for themselves has had the best response from friends and family. Awakening is a difficult and often lengthy process for most. It simply cannot be accomplished in a single video or concept. People need something that opens their eyes immediately, makes them say WTF, and gets them interested enough to seek further truth on their own.

You don't get labeled a conspiracy nutso near as often either.

[SIR GALAHAD]

Ask yourself a simple question, do you think Obama's worried that some people on a forum think his birth certificate is fake?

This issue was trumpeted on right wing blogosphere and he still got elected.

Berg's lawsuit was thrown out.

What's all this complaining supposed to achieve?

Look how long we've been inundated with reams of info about the 9/11 conspiracy, and what's happened officially? Nothing.

So dream on.:sleep_1:
Right on lotus complete waste of energy and time i don't believe none of it thats why its in project camelot back of beyond off topic kerrys gone ticket sales are down no more clues laters who cares got to get me one of those<AKA> sheep dogs:roll1::smoke::shocked::wall:

[Humble Janitor]

No, I am referring to the people who post comments like, "who cares", or "move on"....I am totally open to open minded, informed and intelligent dialog. Heretic, is a great example of that. My comments were directed at people who don't seem to care about this issue, and I question why they would bother with their comments in the first place. When I see posts I don't care about, I don't take the time to make a "who cares" comment, I do move on.

The fact that you are stuck on something that has been disproven countless times, is proof that you need to let it go.

If you don't like the opinions of other people, then you shouldn't be posting topics like this. It's an open forum and opinions like "who cares?" and "move on" are opinions too, that as unfavorable as they may be to you, are often the opinions of people who are sick and tired of this forgery thing being dragged on.

Since when did this become a forum for nothing but baseless speculation and tin-foil hat theories?

The more you drag it on, the more negative energy you create and nothing gets done.

[SIR GALAHAD]

The fact that you are stuck on something that has been disproven countless times, is proof that you need to let it go.

If you don't like the opinions of other people, then you shouldn't be posting topics like this. It's an open forum and opinions like "who cares?" and "move on" are opinions too, that as unfavorable as they may be to you, are often the opinions of people who are sick and tired of this forgery thing being dragged on.

Since when did this become a forum for nothing but baseless speculation and tin-foil hat theories?

The more you drag it on, the more negative energy you create and nothing gets done.

clap clap clap very well said humble your the best :thumb_yello:

[John aka#404]

Kind of a sidetrack to the OP, but good info:

An Examination of Obama's Use of Hidden Hypnosis Techniques In His Speeches (http://www.pennypresslv.com/Obama%27s_Use_of_Hidden_Hypnosis_techniques_in_His _Speeches.pdf)


* open your mind, read and digest everything from both sides. You do not have to believe everything, but attempting to see everything from all sides is a good thing. If you do not allow yourself that, you will not grow.


John
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[Heretic]

I find it ironic that those who are wanting to "move on", and "not care" keep coming back here to post nonconstructive comments. adding nothing but disapproval and criticism And I thought constructive conversation was the point of these forums. To add to a thread, and not detract. To walk away with tolerance and not defame with criticism and contempt, a thread you find you may disagree with is the very basis of this forum.

Folks I voted for Obama and can relate to your angst but forget not the "beast" we have been dealing with for 60 years. And respect that others may not be so convinced (myself included) of any wrong doings during all of this. Its the GOVERNMENT remember? Your cheer to see this thread buried and out of sight is noted yet confusing by how many times you keep coming back here, "not caring" and "not moving on". And then posting about it.

Your clever and caviler attempts to quash intelligent discussion on a subject you find "closed" or a "non-issue" in such an enlightened and loving way shows your tolerance and desire to see this board flourish with a diversity of ideas, and an arena of freedom to explore ideas shunned by others who would stifle free speech!

You are most definitely some of the "positive" people here spreading great wonderful fuzzy feelings for us and humanity. And thank you for policing others with a firm judgment letting all know what "truth" really looks like so we can all follow your ideology and not have to think for ourself.

continue to clap clap clap and or pat yourselves on the back as best you can, you did a great job here making sure there are no other voices in the crowd to disagree with your own. Your open mindedness and respect for others have shown us all great lessons in humility and displays the angelic heritage you no doubt possess.

as for me, I would like to enjoy my experience talking with these fine folks on an issue I find interesting, and would be grateful to do so without enduring ridicule or punishment for my beliefs. Thank you so much.

Happy Holidays

[John aka#404]

Well said Heretic.


Happy Thanksgiving to all from the Great White North (actually still brown currently) !

John
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[Humble Janitor]

I find it ironic that those who are wanting to "move on", and "not care" keep coming back here to post nonconstructive comments. adding nothing but disapproval and criticism And I thought constructive conversation was the point of these forums. To add to a thread, and not detract. To walk away with tolerance and not defame with criticism and contempt, a thread you find you may disagree with is the very basis of this forum.

Are people who start countless threads about Obama, also contributing to the non-constructive nature of their threads?

How can you add to a thread that has nothing worthwhile to add to? I echo the sentiments of others who have said that when they look at the off-topic of this forum, it's all Obama, all the time and it's all negative as well.

I get the feeling that fear and hatred of minorities, especially blacks, controls the tone of most, if not all threads that discuss Obama.


Folks I voted for Obama and can relate to your angst but forget not the "beast" we have been dealing with for 60 years. And respect that others may not be so convinced (myself included) of any wrong doings during all of this. Its the GOVERNMENT remember? Your cheer to see this thread buried and out of sight is noted yet confusing by how many times you keep coming back here, "not caring" and "not moving on". And then posting about it.

They have a right to not be convinced. They tend to over-do it though and now people are starting threads asking Obama supporters such as you and I to "apologize". Apologize for what? Apologize for having hope after dealing with 8 years of Bush? Apologize for wanting to live with hope and not fear?

Keep in mind, many of us are new to Avalon and the thoughts/theories that we encounter here. I'm not a hardcore believer in the NWO/PTB **** that people talk about on here. They're so bitter, that anyone who comes along is automatically a minion of the PTB to them.

I choose to live in a world of hope and not a world of fear. I choose not to crawl into my hidey-hole and worry about bombs and concentration camps and all of that ****. I am not worried about what happens on Earth because I am convinced that with 2012, brings a new beginning for all.



Your clever and caviler attempts to quash intelligent discussion on a subject you find "closed" or a "non-issue" in such an enlightened and loving way shows your tolerance and desire to see this board flourish with a diversity of ideas, and an arena of freedom to explore ideas shunned by others who would stifle free speech!

Do you not understand that the majority of these threads are started by a small group of posters with an agenda? They're not casual observers. They're people with a hardcore, anti-Obama agenda and they spend time praising cretins like Sean Hannity and Ron Paul. They cry when people hold up Obama as a messiah (in their minds) but they have no problems with calling Ron Paul an enlightened soul. That is hypocrisy.

Keep in mind that this is a private forum and freedom of speech has never applied to private forums. People **** each other off and get banned.


You are most definitely some of the "positive" people here spreading great wonderful fuzzy feelings for us and humanity. And thank you for policing others with a firm judgment letting all know what "truth" really looks like so we can all follow your ideology and not have to think for ourself.

I'm not going to believe something that someone with the word "truth" in their name says. They only wish that they knew the truth.


continue to clap clap clap and or pat yourselves on the back as best you can, you did a great job here making sure there are no other voices in the crowd to disagree with your own. Your open mindedness and respect for others have shown us all great lessons in humility and displays the angelic heritage you no doubt possess.

Again, you're missing the point.


as for me, I would like to enjoy my experience talking with these fine folks on an issue I find interesting, and would be grateful to do so without enduring ridicule or punishment for my beliefs. Thank you so much.

Happy Holidays

I would like to participate in a forum that doesn't have 500 anti-Obama threads on the front page, 24/7. I know that I am not alone.

Enjoy your holidays as well. No hard feelings.

[davefla73]

Don't have to be psychic to predict they will throw it out!

JUST like they will Throw out the rest of you rights and the small parts of the constution thats left! glad that dont bother you. ......Do i smell sheep? hmmm:wall:

[Humble Janitor]

JUST like they will Throw out the rest of you rights and the small parts of the constution thats left! glad that dont bother you. ......Do i smell sheep? hmmm:wall:

To be fair, have they even bothered to USE the Constitution the past 8 years? I see a lot of people giving credence to it but in reality, the Constitution was nixed with the introduction of the USA Patriot Act.

In other words, one piece of paper replaced another. The constitution for all intents and purposes has been NULL and VOID for nearly 8 years.

Just keep this in mind when you mention it. It's not a good thing that it's not used.

[broken arrow]

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[Frank Samuel]

Imagine if we deported all the ilegal aliens living in the US. Millions of people would have to leave the US, McCain included.:naughty:Opss I beter run and forged a birth certificate just in case. Hey you ilegal aliens La Migra is coming!!!:mfr_lol: Note: The following post was paid for by the Obama campaing:naughty:

[Heretic]

I dont know if there is anything to this birth certificate thing

it is not my stance that he is not qualified to be president

it is the fact that he has gone though legal lengths to not have to show it

if you were to legally block me from showing your drivers license when I require to see it to let you buy booze, it would only make me suspicious of you because you are acting like you have something to hide

Obama has done this...why?

If I even want a drivers license I have to display my birth certificate, proof of address, and what ever anal probing they choose to require me to supply on demand at their whim

I expect to at least have it on documented record that my president elect has provided the proper credentials for holding one of the most important positions in the world

It has never been an issue in the past. Nixon never tried to hide his basic credentials or use high dollar powerful lawyer response litigation and injunctions to prevent Americans from seeing what should be transparent

It is such an easy problem to solve, why all the hassle

I know there are a ton of obama anti-Christ, mezmerizes the masses, comparisons to Hitler threads, and you are preaching to the choir here. I was on those threads defending the man against such unsubstantiated accusations, I find it ridiculous, yet also try too keep my mind open about it because what the **** do "I" know...really?

I just keep up with the same news you do. I have absolutely no idea what we are going to see from this man, but I have hope, and a wonderful feeling of security because the Bush nightmare is ending

yet concerning this Birth certificate thing, I certainly am NOT hoping to catch the man lying because the alternatives are nauseating. But I have been watching this issue for months now because I read both sides of the news and Obama got really slammed, alot, I think more than McCain because no body cared about McCain as all eyes have been on Obama.

Most of those issues that Obama got slammed with during this election period was the samo samo tripe and trumped up allegations, exaggerations, out of contacts quotations of "worst possible moments", that are generated, put under the moral microscope, and sold to the American public as honorable campaign strategy.

But this birth certificate thing is different. I dont care about whether or not the Hawaii released Document is real or not. I want to know why he has a group of lawyers circling the wagons to PREVENT an actual disclosure of that original birth certificate. That activity alone makes me suspicious where before I had none.

The freaking supreme court has ruled that you do not have the right to see this mans original birth certificate in order to become president of the country, this is public domain news. Aren't you even curious why the hell he just doesn't show the damn thing and make it all go away in a heartbeat? Doesn't that make you suspicious? I am happy he won, but now I am all suspicious because WTF just show it and shut everyone up.

I can understand peoples already overloaded frustration over these elections and the Obama mania either for or against the man. But I resent having to defend my right to ask the bloody questions I want, regardless of your opinions, sensitivities, or disposition to the subject matter. I am not in a crowed movie house yelling fire here. YOU have to come to THIS thread and take the TIME to read **** YOUR tired of reading. And then chastise ME for writing it?

Really?

[Dadrious]

How DARE you insult Herr Obama! We have concentration camps for your types!

:roll1:

[hueyii]

Time to move on...

http://www.boston.com/news/politics/politicalintelligence/2008/12/obama_citizensh.html