Strange things I have noticed lately

[Ammit]

Just lately I have been doing my usual star watching along with the moon, now, last week I was stood utside work at 7am having a smoke. I looked up at the moon, now, being a bushcrafter I played a little game of finding south using a house roof top as a marker.

Two days later when back at work, again outside having a smoke. I looked to where the moon was 2 days previous, wasnt there.

I turned around , looked up and there it was, now I have over the last few months noticed some strange things with the moon but not 145 degrees difference in 2 days.

Sounds awefully like bull**** but it is not.

Has anyone else noticed strange astral things lately?

[Mercuriel]

Yep - As well as unusual declinations of the Sun as it transits the Sky. I've been noticing this though for about a Year or so and when I tell others about it - Well y'know how that goes LOL...

:winksmiley02:

[Sol Invictus]

Glad its not just me.

I was up in the hills stretching the legs and watched a beautiful two thirds full moon rising. Nice i thought, very beautiful.

Two days later, a cresent moon high up in the day time sky.

Going mad? I thought I was, but alot of folks emailed me asking 'did you see it too'.

I am also UK based.

Sol.

[Sol Invictus]

Oh and don't even get me started about how damn white and bright the sun is.
Thats driving me potty trying to figure that one out.

[Ammit]

Yeah, tell me about it.
Was concerned to put it here but thought sodit. The sun as you say is changing too, as I have to keep changing the angles, lol

[Squeptikal]

Just lately I have been doing my usual star watching along with the moon, now, last week I was stood utside work at 7am having a smoke. I looked up at the moon, now, being a bushcrafter I played a little game of finding south using a house roof top as a marker.

Two days later when back at work, again outside having a smoke. I looked to where the moon was 2 days previous, wasnt there.

I turned around , looked up and there it was, now I have over the last few months noticed some strange things with the moon but not 145 degrees difference in 2 days.

Sounds awefully like bull**** but it is not.

Has anyone else noticed strange astral things lately?

So what were you smoking - really? :smoke:

[Ammit]

And that is why i thought this was a bad idea.....

[Mercuriel]

And that is why i thought this was a bad idea.....

Yeah - Well - We knew They'd be along at some time. Nevermind Them - Sing It Brother. Its what We're here for...

It'll either be understood - Or those not understanding it will have another chance to do so...

:winksmiley02:

[Swanny]

I've noticed lately that the sunsets are a colour that I don't think I've ever seen before

[futureyes]

over the course of months now i have been observing many changes above us, around us ...

yes, the moon has been playing magician, the sun some mornings larger and prouder than i have ever seen it to be

i have seen perfect cloud formations of the faces of goddesses by day and crystal skulls in the night

all speaking to us of the changes to come, whether we choose to listen or not is our free will

it is all in the way we see things, if we see nothing then we are not ready

no need to be smoking anything, only need to be ...

listen and see ... without fear

[Average Joe]

Hmm, it is fairly normal to see the crescent moon in daylight during the winter, usually late afternoon on a sunny clear day (late afternoon being about 2pm at this time of year) so I wouldn't worry too much about that, its nothing out of the ordinary. I've seen it tonnes of times throughout my life.

As for the moon moving a lot over a couple of days, I have to say last week it was very light at about 11pm, so I looked out of the door for the moon and it wasn't anywhere in sight. Anyhow I walked into the garden and it was directly above the house, can't say I've ever seen it there before, or seen it anywhere near as bright? I'm not an astronomer so I don't actually know where the moon should be each night, so I didn't think too much of it.

Surely though, astronomers would have noticed if the moon was somewhere where it was not supposed to be?

[Ammit]

Hmm, it is fairly normal to see the crescent moon in daylight during the winter, usually late afternoon on a sunny clear day (late afternoon being about 2pm at this time of year) so I wouldn't worry too much about that, its nothing out of the ordinary. I've seen it tonnes of times throughout my life.

As for the moon moving a lot over a couple of days, I have to say last week it was very light at about 11pm, so I looked out of the door for the moon and it wasn't anywhere in sight. Anyhow I walked into the garden and it was directly above the house, can't say I've ever seen it there before, or seen it anywhere near as bright? I'm not an astronomer so I don't actually know where the moon should be each night, so I didn't think too much of it.

Surely though, astronomers would have noticed if the moon was somewhere where it was not supposed to be?

Dont know about astronomers, but, I have seen changes from day to day but not on such a great change as last week. If others are seeing it too then great, im not mad.

[Average Joe]

Well yeah, I've pretty much seen the same as you more or less, except I thought nothing of it at the time. But no, you're not going mad.

Certainly, seeing the moon in daylight isn't madness, its a fact.

[futureyes]

Dont know about astronomers, but, I have seen changes from day to day but not on such a great change as last week. If others are seeing it too then great, im not mad.

madness is ego, ego won't get us through the eye of the needle ...

trust will, trust you see what you do

not with your eyes, trust you see with your heart

[John aka#404]

Yep - As well as unusual declinations of the Sun as it transits the Sky. I've been noticing this though for about a Year or so and when I tell others about it - Well y'know how that goes LOL...

:winksmiley02:


OMG finally somebody else to talk to :)

For 2-3 years now I have noticed the oddities (declinations, brightness) and mention to people and of course, they just stare at me.

I do not project any theories... only the question "what is going on?"


John
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[burgundia]

You've made me think about it. I'll start observing the sky too.

[sleepingnomore]

Strange you should have this thread, I was thinking of starting one.

Every night I take a walk to gaze at the sky. Three nights ago it was an incredibly clear night out as I looked up the stars seemed to bright so I stopped to check for the usual formations. I thought they were strangely low in the sky, I don't know if it was an optical illusion but then I noticed one large star with hundreds of pinpoints of light around it in a random pattern. I thought it was strange and just as I was thinking this it disappeared. I looked away and caught it appearing again out of the corner of my eye. I just stood there dumbfounded wondering what it was. As soon as I formulated that thought I saw a large white helicopter, larger than any I had ever seen before with a red stripe on it, very low in the sky flying in that direction. It made no sound and came from a direction where there is no known airport or military airstrip. I thought how odd???? Then another plane coming from an opposite direction, higher in the sky was headed that way almost in an intersecting pattern. I tried to see what was happening and then they all seemed to disappear behind the treeline.

I've watched the skies for many years and seen strange independantly moving lights but nothing like this. I'm still shaking my head as to what was really there, I know it isn't my imagination.

[blastawaycas]

Agree with average joe i have observed the moon in positions i have never seen it in before as i took the dogs on the front late at night i was somewhat startled to see the moon over the top of our roof (not literally) never seen it there before, it always arises from the north sea over eston hills in an arc looking south this path took it right above me as i stated it somewhaat startled me

and as for the sun my goodness....how dazzingly bright lately

[Ampgod]

I'm glad you mentioned this.
I thought I was nuts! :original:

(Maybe I am) hahahaa

[Sol Invictus]

Hmm, it is fairly normal to see the crescent moon in daylight during the winter, usually late afternoon on a sunny clear day (late afternoon being about 2pm at this time of year) so I wouldn't worry too much about that, its nothing out of the ordinary. I've seen it tonnes of times throughout my life.



Please read my entire post. The moon was seen at night a good size and in a clear sky. 2 days later its a cresent and high up in the sky. Thats NOT possible at all. the moon cannot just decide 'hell, ill appear at night rising in the sky AND during the day'.

However, the single fact that i am wearing cat 4 sunglasses all year round now to combat the bright sun is a very stark indicator to me that the suns brightness is changing dramatically.

[Average Joe]

Sorry Sol, I didn't read your post properly.

I'm not an astronomer so I don't know how quickly the moon would go to a crescent from more or less full, or how high it should be in the sky each night, but I have to say seeing the brightest moon I've ever seen directly above my rooftop seemed at the very least odd, because I've never noticed that before.

In fact what made me notice is because it was so light outside (moonlight) at 11pm on what should have been an ink black dark winter evening and so I went outside to investigate. "Strange" thought I. "Never seen moonlight this bright". "and where the hell is the moon?" I then thought. "oh its directly above my roof. What the **** is it doing there? Never seen it there before?" I concluded.

Maybe we should check this out, and compare what we see to what we should see according to the textbook. Certainly if anything unusual has occured, astronomers aren't telling.

[McMaster]

Oh and don't even get me started about how damn white and bright the sun is.
Thats driving me potty trying to figure that one out.
So it's not just me then, great!
Summer is coming here in Australia, and we usually have lunch outside. Sun is so bright and somehow to me it looks like a blueish hue to the light. I have had my eyes watering heavily more than once because of this.

E: I think this all could have something to do with "electric Universe" and plasma driven electricity currents in space.
Been reading this site for couple of days now. Very interesting stuff: The Electric Universe (http://www.holoscience.com/index.php)

Video on the issue: Thunderbolts of The Gods (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4773590301316220374)

[elsinorelore]

Its not just me either! Yeah!!! Ive been watching and observing since Sept., I think it was, and yes, Ive been noticing strange stuff too!!! Also with some constellations, and starts that seem to blink, and pulse alot more than "normal" in a wide range of colors. And the sun and moon, well Ive too noticed what youve all said previously, so what do you think it all means? Why havent we seen more articles about this from the big wigs who understand the science? Seems like theres an awful lot of us, all over the world who are noticing, and watching! Too many of us to call us all crazy, RIGHT!!!

[blastawaycas]

With regards to all the above could it be the result of the chemtrails we are all seeing after all these years of chemtrails in the sky that what we are witnessing is due to this "pollution" it is now distorting the atmosphere like a heathaze would distort what you would be looking at....if you get what i mean!!

A bit like filters on a camera lens maybe.....just a thought


regards everyone

[sleepingnomore]

I was originally thinking more holagraphic technology initially, but who knows?

[brutus35]

I have been observing the sun's possitioning over time which seem strange to me, but I thought, it was just me dreaming. However, based on the observation of the different stellar bodies by different people, and the fact that the earth is constantantly on the move, I want to suggest that the anomally that we are observing might very well be with the changes going on with the earth, (i.e dimensional/reality changes) and not necessarily with the other bodies.:trumpet:

[Sol Invictus]

So it's not just me then, great!
Summer is coming here in Australia, and we usually have lunch outside. Sun is so bright and somehow to me it looks like a blueish hue to the light. I have had my eyes watering heavily more than once because of this.



I used to fly gliders, and I can say that in the last 2 years the light at altitude has become almost unbearable unless the strongest <6% cat 4s are worn.

I used to be good to go in cat 3s and <12% lens strength. Some things happening, but the masses when you try talk about it? they just shrug and go 'well, I don't know, I don't really pay much attention'.

[Sol Invictus]

Agree with average joe i have observed the moon in positions i have never seen it in before as i took the dogs on the front late at night i was somewhat startled to see the moon over the top of our roof (not literally) never seen it there before, it always arises from the north sea over eston hills in an arc looking south this path took it right above me as i stated it somewhaat startled me

and as for the sun my goodness....how dazzingly bright lately

Agree on both counts. Moons out of position at times, the suns way brighter than it ever has been, and some times watching the stars I get the idea we are under a holographic sky and not the 'real deal'.

[Ammit]

Agree on both counts. Moons out of position at times, the suns way brighter than it ever has been, and some times watching the stars I get the idea we are under a holographic sky and not the 'real deal'.

Bloody hell Sol, thats some idea.
Do you believe they could actually pull that off?
It would be mammoth, with all the different time zones, sun sets and rises.

[Harper]

Well right, good to know. A moon that was so huge and beautiful that I called my friend to say go outside and look, just disappeared. I actually did a 360 looking for it, and continued all the evening. They of course thought I was gone a little in the head.

Of course there is no reason not to believe that we are moving, shifting literally to another place, I just presumed we (planets, stars, etc... ) would all be going together.

Interesting interesting folks.

[Sol Invictus]

Bloody hell Sol, thats some idea.
Do you believe they could actually pull that off?
It would be mammoth, with all the different time zones, sun sets and rises.

I know for 100% certain that they can 'make' fake stars in the sky. I also know for 100% certain that they can make 'plasma balls rush across the sky' and 'voices or sounds' come from them.

I know for 100% certain that with NASA doing over 190 secret military satellites with unknown capabilities 'up there' I have no doubt at all that it could be done.

It would actually explain why we see and hear of people seeing the moon twice, the sun in the wrong part of the sky and stars shifting and dancing. However...

It would be an undertaking so huge that the need or reason for doing it would be earth shattering at the very least.

[Ammit]

Um, ok so do you think that this might be a fair thought...

If the moon and stars, indeed even the sun as some have stated seem bigger and brighter then normal, could this mean , if indeed a hologram was being used that it was at a much lower atmosphere to hide maybe ships above?.
Hence making everything seem closer?

Just a thought, but, we were waiting for the showing of a ship a while ago, could it hide something of this nature?

[Sol Invictus]

I will however add another sighting that defies any explanation and was witnessed by an entire street of people in 2003.

The road in question runs east to west, so alot of people came out to see the moon rising, yes rising in the west. It rose up, hung about for an hour and sank down again.

A full moon later that night rose as scheduled.

Twilight zone? no, but some thing so vast, so monumental is being pulled over our eyes I am sure that only one in a million is willing to contemplate it, let alone try explain it to others.

[Sol Invictus]

Um, ok so do you think that this might be a fair thought...

If the moon and stars, indeed even the sun as some have stated seem bigger and brighter then normal, could this mean , if indeed a hologram was being used that it was at a much lower atmosphere to hide maybe ships above?.
Hence making everything seem closer?

Just a thought, but, we were waiting for the showing of a ship a while ago, could it hide something of this nature?

Ammit, what i believe? truely?.... OK, here goes.

The sky is a hologram. We are under neath a flase sky that was 'swapped' in the mid to late 1990s, around 1997 at the latest. Why do i think this? because gliding gives you a weird perspective on the world, and at times I saw stars, glowing silver over head at 8k feet, and broad daylight. Other times I saw ripples running across the clear blue sky above me. I am not the only one how ever to see this.

My absolute belief is that a massive, overwhelming effort is being perpetrated against us, and that what ever they are hiding, we are not going to like. Think of it as keeping a fish tank lid on so the fish don't see the waiting cat.

[Kulapops]

Well, as the moon reflects the sun's light, then of course a brighter sun would = brighter moon.

I too think the sun is brighter than it was, but that's something I've noticed over the last years, rather than something recent. I thought it was because I'm a little sensitive to bright lights anyway (boy do I hate looking into headlights on full-beam!).

As for sun's position, I'm no astronomer neither, but isn't the sun supposed to track a different rise and set on the horizon between solsitices? So It should move.

If it's doing a loop-de-loop in the sky on course, well, that's another matter.:original:

What I've never understood is that if the sun always rises in the east, if it rises in a different position every day, then what is happening to east?? (I think it has something to do with the difference between grid north/magnetic north and true north. Maybe someone knows the answer to this, please?)

Personally, I'm interested in the Zeitgeist reference to the stars of orion's belt linking up with Sirius low in the sky to point to the sunrise on the 25th Dec. I've been looking for sirius, and it ain't been there, then it was , and then it wasn't.

This doesn't make sense to me, I thought all stars were fixed in position and revolved around the North Star (northern hem.). The only explanation I can think of is that orion has to be high enough in the sky to enable sirius to be seen (hence it's appearance/disappearance).

As for phases of the moon, bear in mind it takes two weeks to go from full to nothing, not four, so it goes from new (sliver) to half moon in just a week. Depending on where you are in the cycle (it's sinusoidal like everything else) you could get a fair increase/decrease in size in just two days.

[Sol Invictus]

As the owner of a Newtonian reflector, an avid user of http://www.stellarium.org/ software, a very well trained navigator by both day and night and also navigation whilst thousands of feet in the air, I am very well aware of what #should# be where and why the mechanics, physics and mathematics say it should be there.

However, I am not talking about a constant change (although the sun is much brighter, painfully so on a permanent basis) I am talking about possible mistakes in the holographic sky, or what ever is going on up there.

I once watched a star form in the sky over head whilst high over the Uk, change a few colours and then blink off again.

Some thing is not right in the skies, and I don't think its some thing we are going to be able to figure out in the near future; just keeping tabs and making sure each other witnesses know they are not 'seeing things' or going 'crazy'.

[Ammit]

Quote: I once watched a star form in the sky over head whilst high over the Uk, change a few colours and then blink off again.


Ah, did not want to mention that one at first, wanted to see how many ridicules I got, then forgot it.

I see that many times down here, thought perhaps it was a plane with its lights on as we are not too far from southampton airport. As you say a bright white dot that is totally brighter then the rest, changes a hue or red and blue in slow flashes then, poof,, gone.

Dont know if this makes a difference but I usually see them about NNE.

[Kulapops]

I don't doubt your qualifications. Or that mysterious things go on, or are going on. Some things, such as a moon appearing to grow in size a lot over two or three days are possible.

Would you happen to know how if the sun always rises in the east, that it rises in a different spot everyday?

That's always fascinated me.

The idea that a giant holograph is covering the entire night (and daytime?) sky is also fascinating and imaginitive, but my opinion would be that it's a lot of technology to explain away conclusively some anomolies in the sky.

Didn't John Lear maintain that the moon is a giant space station? If it's under it's own power, then it should be able to zip around the night sky at will. That would also explain it's strange behaviour, but both this theory and the holograph theory can't both be right, can they ?

What happens when you are flying in a plane at night at 30,000 feet? Presumably this is under the floor of the holograph too? that's a long way to project clearly. My feeling would be that if we're technologically advanced enough to prodcue such equipment, there's no way there'd be gliches with it.

[Alexandra]

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[Altered Species]

Okay, this is pretty intresting. First of all I had almost the same occurence happen 2 years ago and blew it off. This happened in late January or early Febuary.

I was staying at a place where I would have to go outside to smoke and the first night I was just star gazing and noticed where the moon was. The second day at the same time as the night before I had another smoke and I noticed the Moon was atleast 45 degrees to the right of where it was the night before.

I am a surveyor by profession and I have taken solar observations with a surveying instrument of the sun(with a special lens) and I have even checked out the moon at night just for the heck of it. You would be suprised how fast the sun and moon moves when looking at either one through a theodolite(surveying instrument). We have handheld calculators that determines our position by just taking readings of the sun and entering a time, but I personally can't tell you how these calculations are actually made.

What I don't get is how the sun rises in the east and set's in the west in what is realitively the same position on the horizon only at slightly different times(within minutes) through out the year(unless in Alaska) and the moon can be this far out of position on the horizon in one day.

I would really like to hear an explanation of this by someone who is into astrology.

[dagon]

I have been observing the sun's possitioning over time which seem strange to me, but I thought, it was just me dreaming. However, based on the observation of the different stellar bodies by different people, and the fact that the earth is constantantly on the move, I want to suggest that the anomally that we are observing might very well be with the changes going on with the earth, (i.e dimensional/reality changes) and not necessarily with the other bodies.:trumpet:


that was my thought on the subject. I know compasses have been deviating in the past few years. and true north isn't true. birds migrating patterns have been all off as well. I just read an article about hawks migrating to south america in large numbers not previous seen. mammals migration patterns also changing. whales beaching them selves. ect.



pole shift. I think its possible its time. Im thinking this may be the change coming down the pipe. as we have heard. after all this is why the megalithic monuments were built all around the world after the flood. in my opinion.



but think its just not planet earth. its universal. or at least our solar system. all the planets seem to be heating up from what I gather. affecting the brightness of stars like a mirage? did I spell that right. LOL. food for thought.

planet X.....

[Altered Species]

that was my thought on the subject. I know compasses have been deviating in the past few years. and true north isn't true. birds migrating patterns have been all off as well. I just read an article about hawks migrating to south america in large numbers not previous seen. mammals migration patterns also changing. whales beaching them selves. ect.



pole shift. I think its possible its time. Im thinking this may be the change coming down the pipe. as we have heard.



but think its just not planet earth. its universal. or at least our solar system. all the planets seem to be heating up from what I gather. affecting the brightness of stars like a marriage. did I spell that right. LOL. food for thought.

Magnetic declination changes normally during the year. I'm not positivie(surveyors don't hardly do compass surveys nowdays) but around the month's of June or July is the worse time to take a compass reading for magnetic north.

[Sol Invictus]

Some things, such as a moon appearing to grow in size a lot over two or three days are possible.


I am only going to say this one more time; If I say that the moon was wrong, its like it is written in stone and an absolute. I am not wasting 20 years of knowledge on a funny haha.


Would you happen to know how if the sun always rises in the east, that it rises in a different spot everyday?


Yes. The earths rotation is not perfect, nor is the earths orbit. We have a 'wobble' along side an elongated orbit. In summer parts of the earth are tilted toward the sun i.e. its summer in the artic and 24 hour sunlight. Then wobbling along it slides over and the other end points at the sun, hence antartic gets 24hr summer sun. The sun therefore will rise and set in a slightly different spot every day due to the earths movement along its orbit as well as its tilt of axis. This is why we get 'longest day / shortest night' and 'Longest night/shortest day'.

The above is very simplified but I hope it paints a good enough picture.



The idea that a giant holograph is covering the entire night (and daytime?) sky is also fascinating and imaginitive, but my opinion would be that it's a lot of technology to explain away conclusively some anomolies in the sky.


I'm not saying its concrete truth, just an observation of events I have seen and thought about.


Didn't John Lear maintain that the moon is a giant space station? If it's under it's own power, then it should be able to zip around the night sky at will. That would also explain it's strange behaviour, but both this theory and the holograph theory can't both be right, can they ?


The entire above statement shows your being an ****. Did you bother to actually think about what you just wrote? JL said it was an old space station that arrived under its own power and has signs of being mined and old constructions in places upon it. As for the 'zip around the night sky at will' comment, please go and read up about gravity and mass effecting objects in close vicinity to others.


What happens when you are flying in a plane at night at 30,000 feet? Presumably this is under the floor of the holograph too? that's a long way to project clearly. My feeling would be that if we're technologically advanced enough to prodcue such equipment, there's no way there'd be gliches with it.

The satellites are in space and would have to project through maybe 100 miles of SPACE. No air distortion, nothing. The illusions is pointed downwards, not ground upwards.
As for glitches.... hubble failed, space shuttles fail.. aircraft fail... nuclear reactors fails... cars fail.... surgical equipment fails..

Nothing bar nothing is fail or fool proof.

Also, it is only one thought of mine because of seeing so many different but aerial events that I cannot explain through any normal physical explanations available through 'normal' channels of scientific reason.

[Sol Invictus]

that was my thought on the subject. I know compasses have been deviating in the past few years. and true north isn't true. birds migrating patterns have been all off as well. I just read an article about hawks migrating to south america in large numbers not previous seen. mammals migration patterns also changing. whales beaching them selves. ect.



pole shift. I think its possible its time. Im thinking this may be the change coming down the pipe. as we have heard. after all this is why the megalithic monuments were built all around the world after the flood. in my opinion.



but think its just not planet earth. its universal. or at least our solar system. all the planets seem to be heating up from what I gather. affecting the brightness of stars like a marriage. did I spell that right. LOL. food for thought.

planet X.....

Magnetic north changes every day due to fluctuations. However, the 'wandering' of mag north is massively changing, effecting alot of animal species. have a look though at this how its changed through the last couple of hundred years.

http://www.greatdreams.com/solar/magnetic-north-pole.gif

One thing that worries me is the chandler wobble has been erratic. Thats not good news. Also it could explain a few mistimes risings of the stars and moon.

[dagon]

I would also think if it wasn't just a hologram. we would see the affects on the oceans. large tides. rising sea levels. ect. interesting subject. is it all possible. I was dismissing the theory of the sky being a hologram as hoax. most of what I hear on this is channeling information from the plegaren light workers. who I'm not dismissing. but haven't looked into in depth. and seems to be a reptilian agenda.

[Bobcat]

way hey !! I'm not alone !!

My Partner and I have been noticing some very odd cloud formations as late. This last month has been crazy.
We have always carried our cam just incase we get a nice shot. This last month we have just been overwelmed by the oportunities that we have had. We seem to be saying "wow look at that" "omg thats amazing".
things are odd very odd.

I'll spend some time over thenext few days to gather the latest pictures to share with you all.

Bobcat Wales

[Kulapops]

The tone of your reply suggests that I have angered you in some way, Sol. Sorry if that's the case, that is not my intention.

I think that I am equally qualified to have an opinion though. That it is different to yours should not in any way be an affront.

I believe what you report you have seen, as I do the others posting on this thread. And I appreciate the thoughts you have on the matter. So I am not challenging what you have witnessed, or wish you to have another thought on the matter. I can no more prove the non-existence of holographic equipment, than you can its existence. That there are anomolies is very interesting and I'm glad that you have posted your thoughts. Who knows? you could be right, and that is not sarcasm.

My comment about the two to three days fast growth was relating to another post on that subject, not to your comment about the unexplained movement of the moon.

Thanks for the explanation regarding the movement of the sun, I'm aware it's due to a wobble, what interests me though is why East does not become East plus x degrees as the sun moves in it's travel at the rising setting point. If a town is due East of me and the sun moves from it's rising point above that town during the course of the year, what then? Viewing from my window, this movement seems to take up something like a quarter of the horizon over the course of a year. I've never understood that

As for calling me an ****... well, it's your right to have an opinion on that too. I'm not going to return on that one.

Peace,

K

[John aka#404]

Agree on both counts. Moons out of position at times, the suns way brighter than it ever has been, and some times watching the stars I get the idea we are under a holographic sky and not the 'real deal'.
Bloody hell Sol, thats some idea.
Do you believe they could actually pull that off?
It would be mammoth, with all the different time zones, sun sets and rises.

Wow... global Truman Show.

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Just a quick FYI for you all on phases of the moon (http://stardate.org/nightsky/moon/)

* another neat site (http://www.calculatorcat.com/moon_phases/daily_moon_phases.phtml) where you can embed the current moon phase on your site:

John
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[Sol Invictus]

I can no more prove the non-existence of holographic equipment, than you can its existence.



Actually, I can prove they can make false stars in the sky. :) They have done it to make stabilised super telescops that get rid of atmospheric wobble whilst ground based.

They 'make' a star at about 80 thousand feet above sea level and use real time image stabilisation to combat the airs 'wobble' on the beam to produce a perfect image.

That system mounted on satellites beaming down could make a whole newconstellation and we would be none the wiser.
Suprised, but no wiser as to where it came from.

[Bobcat]

maybe I shouldnt bother as I didn't realize this was a heated debate.

[Ammit]

Bobcat, carry on mate, your comments and views are just as vallid as any one elses

[Bobcat]

Thanks man :)

[Ammit]

Actually, I can prove they can make false stars in the sky. :) They have done it to make stabilised super telescops that get rid of atmospheric wobble whilst ground based.

They 'make' a star at about 80 thousand feet above sea level and use real time image stabilisation to combat the airs 'wobble' on the beam to produce a perfect image.

That system mounted on satellites beaming down could make a whole newconstellation and we would be none the wiser.
Suprised, but no wiser as to where it came from.

Shows my lack of understanding it all, I never even thought of it coming to earth only from, more food for thought, nice one

[Sol Invictus]

way hey !! I'm not alone !!

My Partner and I have been noticing some very odd cloud formations as late. This last month has been crazy.
We have always carried our cam just incase we get a nice shot. This last month we have just been overwelmed by the oportunities that we have had. We seem to be saying "wow look at that" "omg thats amazing".
things are odd very odd.

I'll spend some time over thenext few days to gather the latest pictures to share with you all.

Bobcat Wales

Theres no heated debate. Just a great deal of people trying to make some sense of the wierdness around us.

The suns too bright, stars move and appear and disapear, the moon phases in and out at random in some instances...

If you have pics I would be doubly glad to see them.

[dayzero]

Wow, I noticed something very weird like this too with the moon the other night, but I think my brain just winnowed it out.
Thanks for jolting into remembering!

[Sol Invictus]

Shows my lack of understanding it all, I never even thought of it coming to earth only from, more food for thought, nice one

shows I probably think too much about it too....but I sure as heck am going to keep trying to figure it out.

[Bobcat]

My bad Sol and everybody !

I'm just a little sensitive at the moment. I'll click away and post them here :D

It's very freaky at the moment. Btw, i'm about to start burning dvd's so I can hand them out at my food outlet ;)

[dayzero]

I imagine it's the Photon Belt, and the dark Rift? Maybe?
Or the timelines zipping in and out?

[Kulapops]

maybe I shouldnt bother as I didn't realize this was a heated debate.

I think you should always bother Bobcat, and I wouldn't consider this a heated debate. There have been a few around lately for sure, but this isn't one of them.

I read Avalon because I am interested in the views experience and information that other people have to offer.

There has been much talk of the existence of advanced holographic technology. John Lear is but one proponent of its existence and claims that it was used to project images of planes hitting the twin towers.

So maybe it exists. I don't believe that the night sky I look at is one holographic projection. But just because I don't believe it doesn't mean that it isn't true! I don't think that's a heated debate, just a difference of opinion.

[Sol Invictus]

If you get good footage, people will really sit up and take notice.

One thing, are you near wales and sennybridge training area?

[Ammit]

Well, i read somewhere that the earth was supposed to be slowing down, i tried to think on them lines for a while, but hey, its beyond me

[Sol Invictus]

There has been much talk of the existence of advanced holographic technology. John Lear is but one proponent of its existence and claims that it was used to project images of planes hitting the twin towers.

So maybe it exists. I don't believe that the night sky I look at is one holographic projection. But just because I don't believe it doesn't mean that it isn't true! I don't think that's a heated debate, just a difference of opinion.


Ahhhh the penny drops. I am so sorry - did you think I was going to drop in a 'they used it at 9-11' argument? oh no, believe me I totaly 100% believe that real planes hit real buildings that day. No holograms involved.

Space holograms however I do believe in, as I have seen how easy it was to make one set of stars for an experiment. Also, I watch the science papers for mumurings of the black worlds abilities via friends work places.

That the whole sky is false? maybe. That parts of it could be? for certain in my honest estimation.

[Sol Invictus]

Well, i read somewhere that the earth was supposed to be slowing down, i tried to think on them lines for a while, but hey, its beyond me

the Chandler wobble stopped for a few days in 2005 (november time).

That scared a few folks in the science community.

[Bobcat]

Thanks Kulapops :)

Sol, I live between sennybridge and pembroke. I'm right in the hills m8. I take my fishing boat out from pembroke and if I get to close I get pounded by the military!! They steam up and say " Hi, your not going any further? Good as you can't"

I'm in a middle place :/

[Sol Invictus]

Then I am not suprised your seeing weird things in the sky to be honest.

I seen such madness above Senny that i wouldn't even bother sharing it here. if you can get footage, that would be ace.

Oh one thing, have you ever seen that retangular UFO that floats about at times? deep purpley black colour? about the same size as a pair of chinooks side by side. ?

[Bobcat]

Sol, no I havn't seen the triangle or retangular shape. I do know what your talking about though. Best I have captured is that "ufo picture?" thread I posted a few months ago "in a thunderstorm".
I'll be clicking away like crazy "as usual".

[flynt144]

Last two weeks in England I've notice the beautiful red skys at dust and a stranger clear light at dawn, hard to describe but people have phone the radio stations reporting the same thing all accross the country.

[Mark]

Something really strange happened to me two days ago. I was waiting for my bank yo open - usually at 9 but it did not - I saw a note saying that today it opened at 9.30 - this was now 9.10, so I went to the public loos in the shopping centre - a round trip of about 15 minutes. I walked back towards thbe bank and saw the church clock that read 9.25, I checked my wrist watch and the time said 9.10 - the same time it was the time I chceked it before leaving the bank steps. My watch was fine - only looses about 2 minutes a month and it is a self winding watch so no dodgy batteries. Time some how stood still.

The moon a month or so ago - one day was a half moon and two days later was a full moon. Today, when you could see it, the sun looked like the moon - not that odd I know, but they have sort of been in the wrong place in the skys of late also.

The 4th dimension here we come - if you've got a hat, then best hold onto it - tightly.

[hobbit]

I wasn't going to post on here again, but this is too important.

instead of SEEING what your short distance survival detectors SEE, try to THINK.
Think of how you SEE, that what you view is not moving as per those short distance detectors tell you.
think instead of the so called empty space , actually moving, and in such a way that an illusion is given of movement, an illusion of light coming from the sun.

then think of water going down a plug hole, think of space doing a similer thing, and as it does it tightens into a spiral point, after which the spiral will turn and twist in the opposite direction.
to your short distance eyes, the sun and moon will appear to arise from where they had died, and from then on, they will rise and set in the opposite direction as per now.

the sun will die for three days, all will turn black, as no light is created.

IT IS NOT THE SOLIDS MOVING AT ALL.
We are in a matrix, a lattice structure where everything moving , is the aether that creates all from higher dimensions.
You are noting the beginnings of the compression of time into a spiral point, where everything will descend into chaos, then the sun will arise after three days.
We will all know all of time, the past, now and future, all at once, a golden age of enlightenment will follow.
but the ride will be wacky.
Hobbit

[Sol Invictus]

I don't suppose any one saw the 'inky sky' sunrise over the UK last week? I was sat at 5 am watching the sky and decide dto stay up for the sunrise.

Dammest clearest blackest/blue-est skies I have ever seen.

It was like the sky at 80k had dropped down to near sea level it was so inky blue/black.

[Ammit]

I don't suppose any one saw the 'inky sky' sunrise over the UK last week? I was sat at 5 am watching the sky and decide dto stay up for the sunrise.

Dammest clearest blackest/blue-est skies I have ever seen.

It was like the sky at 80k had dropped down to near sea level it was so inky blue/black.

NoI didnt, but during a semi sunny day this week the wife and I nticed a planed going over and leaving a bluey black trail behind it, unusual as the parts of the sky that wernt blue were dotted with white clouds, it did however dissipate very quickly.

[Altered Species]

Good God! We actually may be onto something here.

:eyes:

I have spent I don't how long trying to search " How many degrees does the moon move in the sky in one day?" You would not believe the convuluted mess you have to go through to get this simple answer. I finally found this post by a Dr. Mike Fanelli which appears to be the simplest answer you're going to get on the internet.

http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:Odd0GHlNH6sJ:personal.tcu.edu/~mfanelli/p20083_s08/chap1_s08_probs.doc+how+far+does+the+moon+move+in+ the+sky+in+degrees+from+day+to+day&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=3&gl=us

He says the moon should appear 13 degrees east of it's position on the previous day at the same time. This still doesn't explain the discrepancy of me seeing it at atleast 45 degrees in one day or the TC's seeing it at 145 degrees in 2 days?

[Sol Invictus]

Using stellarium software yo can use any date you like and see the exact spot the sun and moon are supposed to be in.

Stellarium is totaly free as well, and is awesome.

[Altered Species]

Yea, I looked at some animations and I got a good lesson in astrology also and to be honest I got a headache. I got a a pretty clear understanding of the scientific answer to all of this by the time you take into account of one spinning one way and one orbiting another way and the time it takes, but I know what I saw and I have no reason to disbelieve what someone else may have saw and something is NOT RIGHT!

[TheGhost]

This reminds me of something I read fairly recently about ETs using time travel technology to prevent astroids/meteors (and maybe Nibiru) colliding with Earth. The inhabitants of Earth, naturally, wouldn't be aware of the time jumps as they were happening. However, it would be apparent from astronomical observations.


Also, I had a dream last night about seeing the moon being much larger in the sky than normal, like 10-20 times bigger, and asking a friend if they saw it, too; then today I stumble upon this thread....

I definitely need to start paying more attention to the night sky.


As for the moon being a space station, there is some historical evidence for it. The term lunatic was originally used to describe a sect of people who worshipped the moon. The word has taken on a different meaning since the Catholic church came about. Anyway, the reason the lunatics started worshipping the moon was because it never used to be there.

Also, there are ancient astronomical records (I can't remember which culture they are from) that state the moon used to be twice the size in the sky as the sun, meaning it used to be much closer to Earth than it currently is.

[macleodmunro]

Hey folks, i was out in the car earlier this evening with my son and i pointed out to him what a wonderfully clear night it was and how we could see so many stars.

Then when i came home i logged in, and found this thread.
All the talk of the moon doing funny things made me realize something. I couldn't remember seeing the moon while i was out.
So i went out into my back garden to have a look, nothing. I walked right round my house and there was no moon at all.

This was a few hours ago.
So i read the rest of the thread, then started writing this and decided to check again, still no moon.

Does anybody know if this is normal?

Mind you, if you can see the moon in the daytime, then folks at the other side of the world in darkness must be missing a moon.

Did i just answer my own question?

Any thoughts?

[Altered Species]

Yea, this is normal. Were actually in a period now where you can't see it. It want become visible till another couple days.

[macleodmunro]

Cheers for that.:thumb_yello:

[Carol]

This looks like a fun thread. Ready for some additional information?

Last summer I was editing a book for Paolo Harris where one of her insider guest was talking about some of NASA's discoveries (tests) with respect to the moon. A bomb was set off after one of the moon landing team had left and they measured the bomb's impact and also noted that the moon rang like a bell. Meaning it was hollow. I've also read a number of other unpublished insider info where it was explained how the moon was towed here as a spacecraft and used as a base on the backside. In fact, according to some witnesses, who claimed to have been there, there is a lot of activity on the backside of the moon and I've seen photos of some of that info. Richard Hoagland has tons of info on this along with info on Mars as does John Lear.

I had also read where the moon would be moved if there were to be some major earth changes - perhaps a pole shift (I'm a bit foggy on this as it was awhile when I read this).

One would think it odd that the moon is the only heavenly body that doesn't spin where the backside becomes visible to those on earth. However, if indeed it were an artificial body, a spaceship, then it would make sense the oddities many have observed.

Next as to the suns brightness, this is due to the thinning of the ozone layer. As our atmosphere becomes thinner the sun's light becomes brighter. I recall seeing paintings by the masters in Paris where the atmosphere was much softer as compared to the light of today and had read the scientific info about this phenomenon somewhere else as well.

Please keep in mind this is a cyclic horizon event we are moving towards when our planet will indeed pass across the galactic center of our galaxy. This has happened before and will happen again. What we are seeing are the subsequent earth changes as a result of this process. Even if there were no CO2 emissions from industrialized society there is plenty of CO2 in the ocean as it is the ocean, which is producing, I believe, over 60 plus percent of CO2 into our atmosphere now. As the sun heats up from the electrical exchanges of passing comets and asteroids (given where were are in the armature of the Van Allan belt. "The Van Allen radiation belt is a torus of energetic charged particles (i.e. a plasma) around Earth, trapped by Earth's magnetic field), the sun is like an electrical capacitor increasing in activity." This activity also affects the earth's core heating it up which in turn is the reason for millions of underwater volcanoes heating up, which in turn heat up the oceans. There is tons of methane gas down at the bottom of the oceans and with a few well-placed CMEs that gas could easily be released creating massive explosions out gassing above the waters surface.

Now here is the next bit of info that recently came my way. "Friends working in UK defence companies who have sent 'priority' emails out. They are going off grid as of July 2009 because of 'problems coming down the pipe line' that are being 'hidden' from view by the credit crunch and its engineered woes.

So consider this a heads up, and you can either ignore it, ponder over it or use it to prepare. I am planning to be off grid by August 2009. 3 months every one has planned for. Total readiness for Sept onwards for a 3-month window of needing to be off grid. Locations are being readied as we speak in mountain regions with caves. Being underground is a very large print part of the message."

I found this message very interesting and am passing it on as the issue at hand here is the possibility of CMEs by next years end impacting the planet. This also has happened in the past and in fact Canada got the last hit that I'm aware of and ended up a bit of a mess in the impacted area. A solar flare in 1989 blacked out all of Quebec, Canada. Then there was the Solar Magnetic Cloud (SMC)/Coronal Mass Ejection (CME) event of January1997 triggered ... Svalbard and in the polar cap region over Eureka, Canada. So it would seem that it is the northern hemispheres that tend to have been targeted when these past two events occurred.

This information, along with some intuitional hits is why our research team are now brainstorming on how to prepare some very cheap underground structures as a means to protect oneself from these type of events. As Jim Marrs says, "Hope for the best and prepare for the worst." Which is exactly what we are doing in our own small way.

[Average Joe]

One point to note re: people saying the sun is getting brighter. In actual fact, over the last 30 years the sun has been measured as getting dimmer in the sky. There is actually a bit of concern in some scientific circles.

[Sol Invictus]

One point to note re: people saying the sun is getting brighter. In actual fact, over the last 30 years the sun has been measured as getting dimmer in the sky. There is actually a bit of concern in some scientific circles.

You know Joe, I would agree that science is saying the sun is getting dimmer. However, I now wear cat 4 glasses at moderate altitude where as I used to fly gliders in cat 3s.

Also, the winter sun is so bright that i have had to install soft layerd plastic over the glass to soak up some of the harshness.

Somethings very not right in the world, and I am saying we will soon all too soon find out what.

[shaundelear]

This information, along with some intuitional hits is why our research team are now brainstorming on how to prepare some very cheap underground structures as a means to protect oneself from these type of events. As Jim Marrs says, "Hope for the best and prepare for the worst." Which is exactly what we are doing in our own small way.

Hi Carol

This is a bleak prediction and I would have to agree.
There may be a way of deflecting the particles that would do the damage.
The reason we are worried about this is we know the Earths Magnetic Field is currently weak and getting weaker.
I believe it would be possible to set up a smaller localised field to protect you -with the right equipment you could protect your whole house .
I know this sounds far fetched but this technolagy is available.
The HAARP device is by todays standards old tech but would be able to deflect electromagnetic bombardment.
A Tesla Coil energises the air around it,creating a field similar to the heliosphere that protects the solar system.
Modern physics will tells us that particles/energy travels from the sun in the form of waves,if this is the case then we would want to cause interferance to disapate or deflect them.Like a breakwater.
In all UFO craft descriptions the undersides are hazey.
This is caused by the device bending gravity around the top of the craft and visually we see the accelerated vortices underneath.
The affects of this if viewed from the inside is you would be in a bubble -
Your out of sync with the world and in sync with the device .
All the particles or waves that should have hit you have been bent around.
Most of these devices need only high voltage to do their work so can run off a bank of batteries.
There are smarter people than me on this site am sure it could be better explained .
Mention it to your researchers.
To opt to go underground may be futile.
Remember the experiments where they set up a particle collector at the bottom of a mine shaft?
These waves/particles are capable of penitrating deep underground.
But I do believe that energy can be channeled around you.
This is proven by a simple electric motor.
Just a thought as I would hate to be microwaved in an underground box.

All the best

[Sol Invictus]

Shaun,
when I mean under ground, I am going spelunking.

Oh people mock me, but when what ever has scared the living God out of my friends arrives, I want to be as deep and as remote as I can get.

[Ammit]

Sol, excuse my ignorance but what is Spelunking?

[Sol Invictus]

Exploring caves deep underground. For fun.

[burgundia]

Weird sky yesterday in the south-west of Poland around the time of sunset. The sky was covered with clouds but at the horizon towards the north there was a long strip of bright yellowish-orange colour. i do not konow whether this is normal or rather unusual. today the sun was extremely bright. I had to walk with my face down.

[Ammit]

Oh, I see, lucky you, none of that round here that I have found.

[Carol]

Aloha shaundelear

The Native Americans survived the last pole shift by being in Kivas.

http://www.cliffdwellingsmuseum.com/arch3.htm

http://www.cliffdwellingsmuseum.com/cutkiva4.jpg

Today, the Hopi and other descendants still use kivas (square and above ground in the case of the Hopi) for ceremonial, religious and celebratory purposes. Most archaeologists believe that the ancient kivas were also used for such purposes.

KIVA

kiva , large, underground ceremonial chamber, peculiar to the ancient and modern Pueblo . The modern kiva probably evolved from the slab houses (i.e., storage pits and dwellings that were partly underground and lined with stone slabs set on edge) of their cultural ancestors, the Basket Makers . A modern kiva is either a rectangular or a circular structure, with a timbered roof. It is entered through a hatchway by means of a ladder. The floor is made of smooth sandstone slabs, and the walls of fine masonry. There is a dais at one end, a fire pit in the center, and an opening in the floor at the other end. This orifice represents the entrance to the lower world and the place of emergence through which life came to this world. The walls also have a symbolic significance and are decorated with mythological figures.

[Carol]

The team is also exploring different types of EMF protection. We were also considering steel belted used tires as a cover over the actual structure and being at least 8 feet underground. We do have orgon devices and I have small EMF blockers but don't know how they would work with this other type of challenge. Does one cover it all with tinfoil? :mfr_lol:

[golden lady]

Well I thought I was going mad! Last winter I noticed the moon was in a different part of the sky. I thought it was me. I'm convinced that I had never seen it in that postion before. I have lived in my house for 10 years and never had seen it where I had seen it that night. I never mentioned it to anyone, well you don't do you because you think you must be seeing things!
But just maybe I wasn't. I definatly going to be keeping more of just a casual glance skyward from now on.
Love, peace and courage to all.
Golden

[Mark]

This is the time for tin foil hats...

[dayzero]

Last week I saw the weirdest vortex distorting the clouds.
Like an enormous bath plug being pulled upwards.

Then later that day I saw a chemtrail plane move over the centre [uk spelling!] of the sky where that vortex had been and the trails were black as soot, but white either side of it.
Ran outside with my digicam, but the battery ran out
before I could snap it. Damn!

[Sanat]

:mfr_lol: I actually considered posting about this some weeks ago, but I thought it was just "me" or my "imagination". I always loved the moon and full moon, so I often look at it. However, lately the familar "patterns" of the full moon (which resembles a sort of surprised face:mfr_omg: from where I live looking down at all the madness going on down there) seem to have changed. It's like the moon have turned or something (we all now it does not rotate around its own axis like Earth does). Very strange. Thanks for creating this thread. It seems like many people are noticing strange things these days...

Strange days have found us...strange days have tracked us down...

[Sol Invictus]

This is the time for tin foil hats...


This is the time for kicking your balls up to your mouth. Never mock peoples genuine held beliefs/thoughts/fears. You do not know when it will come back to bite you in the butt big time.

You may think 'tin foil hat time', but theres a solution. Don't read it and don't bother posting.

Problem solved. We don't see your naked meanness, and you don't see our thoughts and weird experiences.

[Sol Invictus]

:mfr_lol: I actually considered posting about this some weeks ago, but I thought it was just "me" or my "imagination". I always loved the moon and full moon, so I often look at it. However, lately the familar "patterns" of the full moon (which resembles a sort of surprised face:mfr_omg: from where I live looking down at all the madness going on down there) seem to have changed. It's like the moon have turned or something (we all now it does not rotate around its own axis like Earth does). Very strange. Thanks for creating this thread. It seems like many people are noticing strange things these days...

Strange days have found us...strange days have tracked us down...

This then is NOT going to amuse you.

http://www.unm.edu/~abqtom/images/Moon/Moon11-19-02b.jpg

Their moon pic

http://img380.imageshack.us/img380/2615/moon05388nj5.jpg

That is the moon taken by an established educational department. Nice pic. Now compare it to the moon picture my wife took when she said 'the moon is wrong'.
Notice the tipped to one side look? yeah, it made me do a double take too. However, thats the picture she took. Any thoughts?

[macleodmunro]

today the sun was extremely bright. I had to walk with my face down.

I also found the sun extremely bright today. I don't remember ever seeing it so bright and white before.

I have these polerized sunglasses that have always worked well to stop the sun dazzling me while driving, but today they seemed really ineffective.

Also while glancing at the sun for a moment through sunglasses you could see its size, and it just looked bigger than usual.

I may be just imagining things, i'm just not sure.

Peace from Paul.

[no caste]

This is an excerpt from another thread here in Visions of the Future

"Fear and Darkness - Please read" ... dayzero

...
Third Earth Hologram

There is a total re-working of many events that will happen over the next seven to ten years. As a result, this hologram of light is overimprinting the original hologram of Earth. The Third Earth that you have created through your own thoughts and your own process has created a hologram that will now overimprint the original hologram of Earth. As that begins to happen, organizations, gatherings of souls that are not in harmony with this advanced state, will start to fall apart and crumble. Some systems will not make it from one level to the next, yet that does not mean collapse. Much the same way we have shown you that as one system leaves another comes right in to take that place, so will it be with your economic systems. You simply have to keep your eyes open for the possibilities, because that is what will create it. ...

http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=7738


See also St Clair's photo of the blossoming cherry tree in autumn, also a strange occurence.
http://light-seeds.com/img/Nov-Blossom-2.jpg

Further info relating to his photo is on this thread
http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=7175

Birthing like lovemaking is usually done in dark intimacy. Good birthing like good lovemaking has pacing, patience, receptivity, courage, trust, faith in the process, love and is touched by .... future possibilities.

PEACE TO ALL.

[Sanat]

This then is NOT going to amuse you.

http://www.unm.edu/~abqtom/images/Moon/Moon11-19-02b.jpg

Their moon pic

http://img380.imageshack.us/img380/2615/moon05388nj5.jpg

That is the moon taken by an established educational department. Nice pic. Now compare it to the moon picture my wife took when she said 'the moon is wrong'.
Notice the tipped to one side look? yeah, it made me do a double take too. However, thats the picture she took. Any thoughts?

Yea, thats about what I noticed also. Have not seen it for a while now. Sure will take a look when it stops being so cloudy here... Something has happened with it. Hope some channeling source can give us some info about it... Perhaps Matthew (http://www.matthewbooks.com/mattsmessage.htm)

I now mailed a question about it to Suzy (channeling Matthew). Let's see if he adresses it in his next report...:)

[jcocks]

I also found the sun extremely bright today. I don't remember ever seeing it so bright and white before.
Peace from Paul.

Yup I've noticved it as well.... I think it's shifting in colour. It used to be an orange tint but is definitely seeming to be moving towards the white end of the spectrum. Also, I've noticed that it doesn't seem to have the same warming effect. It used to stay fairly warm when overcast, but now the clouds will come, and I swear it will suddenly become COLD and windy... then it warms up oncve the clouds pass. Yes, that's supposed to happen, but I can't reemmber it being so pronounced as it seems to be now.

I've also noticed at night that mars and venus are a *LOT* bigger and brighter than I ever remember them being (that is, if they *ARE* mars and venus). Anyone else in Oz (or elsewhere) noticed this?

Joel

[giaoue]

I know the moon is truly an artificial satellite & it's the only moon in this solar system that does not rotate which is what a natural moon does. Lately, within the last year, I've been looking @ the sky a lot more & have seen these stars all over the place that twinkle red & blue every nanosecond & they are in somewhat different places every night. I don't have a map of the night sky with all the constellations @ different times of the year but I've seen stars before I became more aware & I believe these are motherships of different alien communities that are definitely helping us & this planet @ this particular NOW! But there is another bright orangish star-like object that is only seen a couple hours after the sunsets & it is located in the western sky & it is about 45 degrees near the horizon & diagonally above to the left is the planet venus. This bright object is not a star because it does not twinkle but I've never seen any object this bright or @ a size that is equal to the head of a nail, ever. If this is a planet, it's not from our regular solar system because even Jupiter does not look that big from our Earthly point of view.

Please, I hope others around the world are also seeing this huge-looking bright star/planet & knows a little about what it could be. I think there is a thread where someone did talk about this & thinks it's Nibiru but the way many informants about Planet X state that it is a brown dwarf star that is pretty orangish-brown but very dim & I don't believe it would be this bright if it were a dim type of star plus it doesn't twinkle. I just am very curious what this thing could be or is if anyone has a telescope that would be cool if it could be videotaped & put on a different thread. Thanks & that is one of my strange things I have noticed lately. Love SELF (Something Everything Loves Forever):thumb_yello:

[ucan]

I experienced this also - I am an avid sky watcher. I usually know where to expect the moon and watch out for it on a clear night. I remember thinking "What's it doing over there?" - but then disregarded it as unimportant. Reading this post has made me question this though - is it natural? I'm not sure at all. I haven't read the entire thread yet though...

Not sure what the sunlight is at the moment - I haven't seen much of it for the past week, I've been sort of hibernating or something, staying up all night for no apparent reason and sleeping all day, I'm just following what my body is telling me to do...

I have seen the bright whiteness of the sun at times though, I believe this is something to do with an increase in U.V. or more penetration of the higher wavelengths of light - blue,indigo,violet - this could be something to do with the angle at which the sun is hitting us (this is what makes the sky blue in the first place).

interesting...

After reading:

I have seen the moon in all sorts of places before - when low in the sky it looks much bigger than normal, the atmosphere works like a lense and bends light. HAARP has also pushed the Ionosphere higher, this could also affecting the way light bounces into Earth.

with respect to the moon. A bomb was set off after one of the moon landing team had left and they measured the bomb's impact and also noted that the moon rang like a bell. Meaning it was hollow. I've also read a number of other unpublished insider info where it was explained how the moon was towed here as a spacecraft and used as a base on the backside.

I know of a few (old) Merchant navy sailors who are absolutely adamant that there are actually 2 moons - not a reflection on the sea or anything - they are serious about this! I've read some on the net about this phenomena - I wonder if they'll ever be in the same sky over land?

That Kiva design makes a lot of sense.

There are signs in the sky.

[davefla73]

I know the moon is truly an artificial satellite & it's the only moon in this solar system that does not rotate which is what a natural moon does. Lately, within the last year, I've been looking @ the sky a lot more & have seen these stars all over the place that twinkle red & blue every nanosecond & they are in somewhat different places every night. I don't have a map of the night sky with all the constellations @ different times of the year but I've seen stars before I became more aware & I believe these are motherships of different alien communities that are definitely helping us & this planet @ this particular NOW! But there is another bright orangish star-like object that is only seen a couple hours after the sunsets & it is located in the western sky & it is about 45 degrees near the horizon & diagonally above to the left is the planet venus. This bright object is not a star because it does not twinkle but I've never seen any object this bright or @ a size that is equal to the head of a nail, ever. If this is a planet, it's not from our regular solar system because even Jupiter does not look that big from our Earthly point of view.

Please, I hope others around the world are also seeing this huge-looking bright star/planet & knows a little about what it could be. I think there is a thread where someone did talk about this & thinks it's Nibiru but the way many informants about Planet X state that it is a brown dwarf star that is pretty orangish-brown but very dim & I don't believe it would be this bright if it were a dim type of star plus it doesn't twinkle. I just am very curious what this thing could be or is if anyone has a telescope that would be cool if it could be videotaped & put on a different thread. Thanks & that is one of my strange things I have noticed lately. Love SELF (Something Everything Loves Forever):thumb_yello:



YES thats what Iv been seeing wierd!:sweatdrop:

[no caste]

I just want to clarify my post yesterday. What I'm wondering is could it be possible that groups of people could be 'seeing' different things right now? We 'see' what is 'in' our paradigm (consciousness, internal info structure, collective or indiv).

If paradigms are shifting, the old sees the old, the in-between sees it, the new sees the new. It may explaing why things just disappear. I've seen the 2 bright stars to the south. I know about Venus and Mars, but never so bright too...

Maybe it's a perceptual experience that's changing. As well, there are the psychtronic satellites. Military neuroengineering is very advanced. (I don't know exactly to what degree and in what way.)

It reminds me of an online perception video my son showed me. The military does know about this mind trick.

Awareness test - Youtube (use audio)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ahg6qcgoay4

There's more than this 1 'awareness test' online [search the term, if you curious about more]. As for my birth/love comment, though human consciousness could be 'birthing' in safe/quiet spaces, I think for the most part it was meant for a particular forum member, so I'll PM that. I've been fighting. Sorry.

[davefla73]

Ammit, what i believe? truely?.... OK, here goes.

The sky is a hologram. We are under neath a flase sky that was 'swapped' in the mid to late 1990s, around 1997 at the latest. Why do i think this? because gliding gives you a weird perspective on the world, and at times I saw stars, glowing silver over head at 8k feet, and broad daylight. Other times I saw ripples running across the clear blue sky above me. I am not the only one how ever to see this.

My absolute belief is that a massive, overwhelming effort is being perpetrated against us, and that what ever they are hiding, we are not going to like. Think of it as keeping a fish tank lid on so the fish don't see the waiting cat.

COULD this be why they are spraying all the cemtrails?? hmmm think about it maybe its to help project the image?! :shocked:

[Connecting with Sauce]

Awareness test - Youtube (use audio)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ahg6qcgoay4

It's a good job bears don't ride bicycles! :lol3:

[Swanny]

I live near Salisbury plain in the UK and its not unusual to see and hear fighter planes flying around during the day but never in the dark, at this mo there are either one or two of them out there and its a really dark cloudy night, seems a bit strange to me

[orb]

The moon's orbit seems to be changing and this tends to look like it corresponds to what ZetaTalk is saying, her being crazy or not.

One guy was out on the Canadian Coastguard one night, and I had made a post on facebook about moon changing, and he wrote back almost immediately from somewhere in the Atlantic, "Yeah and it is brighter too!, I don't even need a light out here tonight to read maps". Apparently it has never in his 30 some years of being at sea shed this much light at night. ZetaTalk claim I think it is the angle of incidence to the Sun.

[orb]

Well, George Green claims they are pleiadian. Now for months I second guess myself that it was a effect of my binoculars and my eyes, until last week, one of them powered up and took off at hight speed. Ooops, I thought that was a star.

I have to say, I do not thing the closeness and brightness of Venus and Jupiter is normal, never in my whole life were they so prevalent during the day, and visible. And I swear to god, what I thought was Jupiter disappeared one night.

And yes, there are three reddish orange stars I am watching as well, and for me what is weird is the spacing is perfect between them horizontally.

By the way, here is one of my friendly neighbourhood stars that appeared 20 seconds after I was panning the sky looking at another orb which might be venus, who the hell knows these days, read caption on photo. MY ORB (http://cid-8add1ea4b88d9b80.skydrive.live.com/self.aspx/Delusional%20With%20UFO|4s/orb-11272008.jpg)

stars all over the place that twinkle red & blue every nanosecond & they are in somewhat different places every night. (Something Everything Loves Forever):thumb_yello:

[Sanat]

Today I went for a walk and I found myself totally entranced by the Sun. It was low and not hard to look at. I just stood there on the bridge for a long time and became sort of "sucked" into it like a "tunnel vision". I disappeared totally in it, and could not take my eyes away from it even as people passed by me. Heavy traffic under me faded away into the background. I felt a deep communication with the Sun. I have never had that before. With the moon yes, but no so much the sun. Hehe. Don't know why. It was more alive than ever before.

The sun the moon the stars
vision over passing cars
Light to shape the darkness right
they said it would be worth the fight

The rivers the mountains the human being
now that we have started seeing...
They have been there all along
humming our long lost song

[Sanat]

This here explains about the moon.

14. NOV 30th.

Good morning to you … it could be your night time … you might have neither … which leads me very smoothly into a subject concerning the moon right now. I had heard nothing about its ‘disappearance’ until yesterday and was asked if I would ask you what is going on. I was asked by someone in America as they haven’t seen the moon for a few weeks, if I could see the moon in Australia … so I looked last night … no moon… but I do not know if this is just within its cycles and cannot be seen. I know this is a biggy, so I will put my TRUST hat on and … fly me to it …

More and more one is finding that there is phenomena occurring that cannot be explained by those of your world whose job it is to explain the unexplained. And yet they are becoming baffled at a surprising rate. Many of your scientists are leaning over to a side of themselves that was once forbidden in their minds, as they were determined to prove that things that are not from your world … are. This is credible for them, for it was their chosen purpose in this time to serve in this way. Indeed by doing so they have put many questions in the minds of many people in order to work things out for themselves.Yet in these days so much is occurring that simply cannot be put down to earthly situations or circumstances. And we say such occurrences are merely the ABC of what is to come.

Regarding your moon … yes, we are aware of that of which you speak.

As with White Cloud I am asking for a picture, so that my mind doesn’t get in the way and interfere with your explanation. Can we do it that way?

Most certainly. This works well for us also. We are showing to you a vast waterfall. It is of the most picturesque that one could imagine. The water is flowing strongly from the top, down into a deep ravine where it mixes with the water already there and continues flowing down stream at a rapid rate. There is much force in this water that we are making you aware of. For that is important. … The impact of the water that is falling as it unites with the water already there. There is much bubbling and would we say ‘electricity’. The source from whence this water is flowing at the top of the waterfall is from mountains much much Higher up. We show as if they reach into the Heavens and the majority of them cannot be seen. This too is most relevant. What we then show to you is that further downstream there is a dam. A brick monstrosity that is holding back the flow of this water. It is preventing it from reaching its destination and blocking its natural flow. So therefore behind this wall there is a great build up of ‘electricity’ that is accumulating in power in that one place. The seams of that wall are beginning to crack under the pressure. We now show to you of the water finally ‘exploding’ through and over this wall. Breaking down all barriers. The wall that was once so ‘protective’ from allowing that source through is broken down into individual bricks which when standing alone, become so weak and powerless. The bricks are scattered in all directions and the blockade is undone once and for all. The rush and force of the water as it bursts through into the place that it is destined for, brings with it a freshness … an electricity that abounds in newness. A circulation occurs that allows ALL to ‘feel’ this surge as it flows forth downstream. You can hear dear lady as if there is much laughter, you see as if many souls are at the sides of this flowing river, there is a FREEDOM in the air.

This FREEDOM is where you are heading. This FREEDOM is what is coming to you. Many of you, through thoughts we have been able to assess, are losing hope within your Beings that the world your souls knew you came here to earth to bring about … is not happening.

This is our point STRONGLY. IT IS. IT IS NOW MORE THAN EVER.

And with this happening … so many changes are abounding. You need only to stop and listen to the beating of your heart to know that this is fact.

And the moon? … Let’s not forget about the moon?

The moon shall appear different. You are … we believe the word is skeptical … are you not Blossom?

Nope. I am in the fortunate position of being told of many strange phenomena that is occurring at this time… With all respect… why should this be different? May I ask then … just call me BLOSS the BOLD!! … in what way will it be different?

We give to you the number three. It will be as if there are three moons within the one moon. We are giving you an image of the moon, and it is more Golden as opposed to white, and it has two outer rings around it. There will be radiance from it, an energy that has not been picked up on before. And you are getting ‘This is the real moon’. It is back.

Struth … my hearts pounding BIG TIME. What does that mean exactly?

Your moon that was designed by ‘The Game Masters’ is what we chose to call the REAL moon. That was replaced you know.

No. I didn’t know. I had no idea. By what? A fake moon? Why?

To impress upon you souls of earth a falsehood. An existence that isn’t really what we would call an existence.

http://www.blossomgoodchild.com/index.html?page=BGchannellingsafter14th_5.html

Brad Johnson on a post about it:

Well, finally after a couple of weeks, I was able to see the moon again this evening. It was a crescent moon, white in color, but more importantly, I saw an aura coming out of it.

The Aura was very bright blue. I kept staring at it for awhile, but I just noticed this beautiful bluish aura color coming out of it. The last time I saw the moon, not only did I see this bluish aura, but I saw a large outstretched halo on it. I didn't happen to see that this time, but I was amazed to still notice this beautiful aura.

Do I still believe we have a new moon? Absolutely. I'm glad Blossom has jumped on the bandwagon to inform us about this new changing moon. I hope to see perhaps more channelers or psychics giving their thoughts on what the status of the moon is. I do know I have run this through Magenta Pixie and hopefully I can get an answer from her soon regarding this.

Nonetheless, the moon is back in the sky and has a beautiful blue aura of energy surrounding it. It looks spectacular.

http://saviorsofearth.ning.com/profiles/blogs/first-time-ive-seen-the-moon

I am looking forward to seeing it myself! But there is so much clouds all the time... Keep looking folks, and do report unusal things here...