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Helvetic
11-27-2008, 04:24 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7i0XctXxl0
Description:
This Documentary goes through Jordan Maxwell's life, influences, and research from the perspective of a former fan of Maxwell' s who after "doing his homework" found that Maxwell often is totally making it up, and doesnt even try back up a majority of the things he says.
At the end the director tell us why he made the movie. discussing the research and claims of so-called 'Godfather of Secret Societies' Jordan Maxwell aka Russell Pine
If you want to know why this movie is called Water of Grace and in turn why maxwell calls himself by that term stemming from "Jordanus Maximus" you may also enjoy this movie:
Debunking Jordan Maxwell The Movie:
it can be viewed here:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3119679914965262207
Description:
Debunking Jordan Maxwell, The Movie Jordanus Maximus From http://nowheretorun.podomatic.com This is a film detailing the many mistakes and outright lies of Jordan Maxwell. After months of research and checking Jordan Maxwell’s “facts” I found him to be a very deceptive and manipulative teacher. In addition to debunking many of his claims this films looks at his motivations and associations and shows that his philosophy is exactly that of the So called New World Order although its very cleverly hidden. You will find his devotion to Theosophy includes naming Himself “Jordanus Maximus” I used to believe everything this man said. Not anymore. Does the sun die on the cross of the zodiac? Is the compass rose an acronym for “NEWS” Does Christ mean “oil”? Does anoint mean “sex”? Is God merely a volcano? Does the ark of the covenant represent the feminine ability to give life? Did King Solomon exist? Is the name Solomon derived from Sol OM On Does OM mean The Sun? Do we call turning on lights “on” because of Heliopolis? Does Solomons temple represent sex? Was Manna in the bible psychedelic mushrooms? Where is the mushroom painting? Does mushroom art in the 1200 speak for Christianity? Does Judaism come from Saturn Worship? Did the Egyptians say the sun was setting because of their god Set? Does Yahweh or YHWH mean the building up and releasing of dynamic energy? And is it associated with sex? Did Jordan Maxwell get His name from Blavatskys “Jordanus Maximus” and why is he lying about it? Jordan Maxwell calls for a new world order He says God communicates with us only through symbols He says the non-human/human hybrids are here and that they have a “divine right” to rule over us and that he is smart enough to accept it. He also says that these hybrids are going to reward him for understanding their symbols Some history about the Nephilim and the sons of god Jordan Maxwell describes his encounter with aliens Jordan Maxwell explains how he told these entities that he would do their will as long as the didn’t come to him in his room or “abduct him” And he explains how this deal was later confirmed and they would “channel” through him. He describes his uncle and family in the Vatican and the mob and says they are one in the same«
http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/showpost.php?p=88181&postcount=2
Alan Watt comments about Jordan Maxwell
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEHFTEHKuoo
(this show is refered to in the clip)
Aug. 6, 2008
Alan Watt on "Outside The Box" with Alex Ansary
(Originally Aired Live: Aug. 6, 2008 on "We The People Radio Network")
Aerial Spraying, Storm Creation, Chemical Clouds, HAARP - War on Farmers, Breadbasket, Floods, Droughts. "2012" Legend - Prophecies - 2010, Integration of Americas - 2012, World Government. Transhumanist Agenda - Hinduism, "Waves of Time" - Eugenics - Warfare Strategy - Totalitarian Society, Individual Isolation. Aleister Crowley, Creation of Mysticism and Confusion, Hopis, Scottish Rite, Freemasonry. New Age Movement, "Grand Delusion", "Becoming Gods", Heroes to Follow - Fascination - Gorbachev, New Religion based on Earth Worship - "Higher Consciousness". Corruption of Truth - American Revolution - System of "Civilization", Control - Illusion and Hallucination.
LISTEN / DOWNLOAD Hour 1
http://www.cuttingthroughthematrix.c...2008_Hour1.mp3
Dogma of Christianity, Churches, Organized Religions - Following Dictates of Government or Your God - Looking at the Negative - Rockefeller Foundation, UFO "Threat". Wiccanism, Books "Appeared" on the Shelves - Use of Power - Joining a Group vs. Individuality. Scottish Rite, "New Age" Journal - Heaven's Gate Cult Suicides - Forms of Mind Control, Manipulation. Marketing, Behaviour Alteration, Promiscuity - Media - Gender War - Victim Mentality, Fake History. United Nations, Sadomasochism, Psychopathic-Led System - Agenda 21, Habitat Supercities - Portland, Oregon - Restricting Freedom of Travel - Rural Property Taxation. CFR, RIIA - China as World Policeman - Marriage Agencies, Emigrating Women - Next "Boat People" Leaving U.S. Eternal Solutions, "Hurt No One" - Every Action has a Reaction - Cause and Effect - Fighting Evil Here in the World of Matter. Zbigniew Brzezinski "Between Two Ages" book, Technetronic Weaponry - Carroll Quigley books. Sitchin, "Interpretation" of Sumerian Tablets - Annunaki, Nature Spirits - Total Confusion. 30 Years of War and Strife - Kissinger - U.N. Weather Warfare Treaty - Pandemics.
LISTEN / DOWNLOAD Hour 2
http://www.cuttingthroughthematrix.c...2008_Hour2.mp3
Links to Debunking Modern Mythology and Well-Financed Disinformation regarding Sumerian "Gods":
" SitchinIsWrong.com "
http://sitchiniswrong.com/sitchiniswrongcontentpage.htm
"Zecharia Sitchin's ancient astronaut theories - a skeptical archive"
http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Corr...48/zindex.html
GoingToFast
12-01-2008, 02:19 AM
I have just watched the documentary Jordan Maxwell - Water of Grace, Water of Life and my feeling is that the
person or person's who have made this docu are religious and is therefore criticising Jordan Maxwell.
One thing Jordan is right about is the so called god's, they ARE EXSTRATERESTRIAL.
One other thing he's right about is the official history, most of it is falsified and corrupted, the true history is often written in the mystery-teachings.
Having said that I must say that I think that Jordan Maxwell sometimes misinterprets the mystery-teachings and wery often in a negative manner.
As usual you have to use discernment when listening to Maxwell.
Most of Jordan's work have had a positive impact on peoples awakening therefor,
I AM STILL A JORDAN FAN.
One thing Jordan is right about is the so called god's, they ARE EXSTRATERESTRIAL.
this is not right at all and one of the main reasons he's a liar/disinfo specialist
That being said, i do not think this documentary by chris white is that good. his religious beliefs distort his understanding almost as much as jordan maxwell distorts his information. while maxwell needs to be exposed, some of the exposer done by chris white here is false and misleading.
GoingToFast
12-01-2008, 11:28 AM
this is not right at all and one of the main reasons he's a liar/disinfo specialist
So Doom, are you saying that the God's our creators are fluffy old bearded men who are shooting bolts of lightning out of their right index-finger, and who created the entire world in SIX DAYS and then slept for one day because they were so pooped from all their creating.
eaglespirit
12-01-2008, 12:20 PM
For goodness sakes people...
We are living under the biggest lie ever propagated in the existence of life anywhere at anytime! It IS almost over. The debunkers are out in full force!
Religion IS a Lie!
Government IS a Lie!
Commerce IS a Lie!
Debunking those that uncover lies and get to the truth IS a way of life of the
planners and controllers.
Anyone embedded in the lie does not want to admit that their life has been stolen from them by liars and thieves and murderers.
That is pretty heavy company to be in if you admit you are a part of it by non-knowing submission through vile coercion!
People that debunk the real truth simply do not want to take self-responsibility for their lives in front of them and turn from everything that has anything to do with deceit.
People that continue to lie in these times are going to be "infected" by exactly what they put forth...right in front of them in the now!
People that distort and distract others by intending to keep them from their own inner and natural connection to creation and the creator are about to come upon their own intents and actions right in front of them nowso more than ever in time as we have ever known of time.
It IS Over...the liars, thieves, and murderers are about to come upon their own makings in real time. The dissolution IS now taking place!
Anyone and everyone that has been deceived by them will get more than one opportunity in the time right ahead to turn from the vileness they were coerced and deceived to live by.
Time to listen to our own hearts and act accordingly!
So Doom, are you saying that the God's our creators are fluffy old bearded men who are shooting bolts of lightning out of their right index-finger, and who created the entire world in SIX DAYS and then slept for one day because they were so pooped from all their creating.
uh no, not at all :rolleyes: . you need to do some serious research into ancient history my friend ;) . Make sure to look into not only the exoteric but the esoteric meanings. of course religions are mythologies but it goes a lot deeper than any of maxwell or zeitgiest or these types of characters will tell you, as they are cons themselves. Oppositions are set up and lead you see. They know some people will find the truth so they try to be the first to put it out, but then spin it in such a way that it supports their agenda. Give out some truths but then lead it in the wrong direction.
The 'aliens are gods' disinfo... I've made many posts about this in other threads, you should go back and check them out. It's a simple counter-intelligence technique. Make people beleive the fantastic. Attatch truth to it, and spin it into outer-space to discredit it. You can never bring your compliants to aliens. Instead of looking at the real causes of things people are have literally gone mad believing aliens rule the world and all sorts of outrageous lies to disable the victims minds. It even goes back to ancient history, it's nothing new, scaring people into thinking demons were in some sort of control, etc.
That doesn't mean there's no such thing as alien life forms, but all of this conspiracy garbage to do with aliens is ALL a major psyops.
I agree with u eagle spirit. Those debunkers cant look at the truth cause they cant face and DONT want to face reality.
This guy Chris White who debunked Jordan Maxwell red only 4 books of those that JM mentionned. Took some info from wikipedia and the bible.
This guy didnt even read the bible from begining to the end.
He believes that the ones behind NWO and secret societies are the aliens.
What a joke.
Altough MAYBE he has found a few imperfections in JM speaches doesnt meen that all his work is BS.
JM red more then 4books in his 40years experience and even more in his lifetime.
He didnt expose the facts on wich JM was right cause if he would the general picure that JM is trying to make us understand would have made his debunking research meanless.
Remember that in JM speaches he says that he doesnt have all the truth and that u should never believe somebody who tells you he has the whole truth but to believe in the one who searches for it.
Chris white is the perfect example in wich our society is in wich is not exepting and facing the facts and putting the blame on someone else like the aliens.
PATHETIC
Chris White can Eat My Shorts.
GoingToFast
12-01-2008, 04:15 PM
uh no, not at all :rolleyes: . you need to do some serious research into ancient history my friend ;) . Make sure to look into not only the exoteric but the esoteric meanings. of course religions are mythologies but it goes a lot deeper than any of maxwell or zeitgiest or these types of characters will tell you, as they are cons themselves. Oppositions are set up and lead you see. They know some people will find the truth so they try to be the first to put it out, but then spin it in such a way that it supports their agenda. Give out some truths but then lead it in the wrong direction.
The 'aliens are gods' disinfo... I've made many posts about this in other threads, you should go back and check them out. It's a simple counter-intelligence technique. Make people beleive the fantastic. Attatch truth to it, and spin it into outer-space to discredit it. You can never bring your compliants to aliens. Instead of looking at the real causes of things people are have literally gone mad believing aliens rule the world and all sorts of outrageous lies to disable the victims minds. It even goes back to ancient history, it's nothing new, scaring people into thinking demons were in some sort of control, etc.
That doesn't mean there's no such thing as alien life forms, but all of this conspiracy garbage to do with aliens is ALL a major psyops.
I'm so sorry for you Doom and all the other religious dogmatist's, your religious-reality is going to crumble and that is in a near future . All most all of the religious teaching's are falsified and corrupted and the only reason for that is to incarcerate and control humanity. If you want to come close to the real history of mankind you should read the history and teaching's of ancient Egypt , ancient Babylon and ancient India, the Torah the old Testament and Mahābhārata and other Hindu text's is also recommended there is a connection in all of this (ET's), the rest of the religious dogmas are only designed to control and deceive humanity.
He believes that the ones behind NWO and secret societies are the aliens.
What a joke.
Not to defend Chris White, as I have stated before he is misguided, but Jordan Maxwell is not saint. You do relize that Jordan Maxwell believes aliens are involved in all of this stuff too? He's in cahoots with sitchin, tsarion, icke, and others. they all are pushing the reptilian alien agenda in some way shape or form. Pure disinformation. Hell, Jordan Maxwell even said on Jeff Rense that him and his family shot and killed a baby t-rex in their backyard, absolutely ridiculous, Ha.
Part of waking up is exposing these fake 'truth' movement leaders set up by the PTB to mislead us, who give some truths then spin it into outterspace. We'll never get anywhere if we follow the pied pipers. It is absolutely crucial to indentify counter-intellgience/disinfo.
This documentary is very poor, although Chris White seems more genuine than Maxwell and the like, he is misguided by his religious beliefs. So here you have a someone who is wrong, showing incorrectly how someone who is wrong, is wrong. (that last sentence sounds a little funny but it makes sense lol)
GoingToFast
12-01-2008, 04:38 PM
Part of waking up is exposing these fake 'truth' movement leaders set up by the PTB to mislead us, who give some truths then spin it into outterspace. We'll never get anywhere if we follow the pied pipers. It is absolutely crucial to indentify counter-intellgience/disinfo.
On what grounds do you stand when you say that the "truth-movement leaders" are set up buy the PTB's, that my friend is fare reaching.
If it hadn't been for the likes of Maxwell Icke Tsarion Sitchin and MANY others we would still be living in the medieval dark-ages, thees are the kind of people that got burned at the stakes and the people that burned them were RELIGOUS FANATICS.
Listen Doom first in NOWAY is sitchin inplying or pushing a reptilian agenda READ his books cause i have. I no way shape or form is sitchin talking about reptilians. He mentionned the annunaki.
Ickes is not pushing for the reptilian agenda just a believer because of the witness who came foreward to him. He admits that he has no such proof regarding the reptilians.
As for you finding chris white more genuine then maxwell well i dont and reading helps.
Im seeing people debunking steven greer this guy has 400 military witness and people believe the debunkers they just dont wanna face the facts.
As for the global picture who u belive or not doesnt make such importance as long as you see that the situation humanity is in is because of us the earths people and it is us who must change NOW before its to late.
Listen Doom first in NOWAY is sitchin inplying or pushing a reptilian agenda READ his books cause i have. I no way shape or form is sitchin talking about reptilians. He mentionned the annunaki.
Ickes is not pushing for the reptilian agenda just a believer because of the witness who came foreward to him. He admits that he has no such proof regarding the reptilians.
As for you finding chris white more genuine then maxwell well i dont and reading helps.
Im seeing people debunking steven greer this guy has 400 military witness and people believe the debunkers they just dont wanna face the facts.
As for the global picture who u belive or not doesnt make such importance as long as you see that the situation humanity is in is because of us the earths people and it is us who must change NOW before its to late.
Steven Greer is debunked. I've checked it all out, for many years in fact. And Steven's info is not facts, like you say it is. You really believe all these ex-military men who have taken secret oaths? His witnessess are liars, or perhaps even believe the lies they are telling because of compartmentization of the operations they worked in. it's a major pyschology warfare program, a huge counter-intellgience operation by the CIA. It's all the new age agenda my friend, which has been exposed, for those who wish to as you say 'face the facts'. Most people don't want to believe the truth cause the truth hurts. They'd rather believe in fantasy.
For one such thing - the witness that have seen 'UFO's', well BBC has documented in the 70's that they are built here by us, and have nothing to do with aliens, it's just hidden technology. Eventually everything like this can be explained and is not other wordly. It's just psyops to spin people's mind off into fantasy.
And of course Icke, maxwell and sitchin push the reptilian agenda, are you kidding me?? seriously? you do relize that many of these new agers say the annunaki ARE reptilian aliens?
On what grounds do you stand when you say that the "truth-movement leaders" are set up buy the PTB's, that my friend is fare reaching.
If it hadn't been for the likes of Maxwell Icke Tsarion Sitchin and MANY others we would still be living in the medieval dark-ages, thees are the kind of people that got burned at the stakes and the people that burned them were RELIGOUS FANATICS.
Oh it is far reaching indeed. It's time to take a dive farther down the rabbit hole my friend. I have many grounds to say this. It is the new age agenda which there is so much information about it is staggering. The PTB set up our leaders. They control all oppositions. The CIA set up entire the patriot movement, that is a fact and easily researchable with declassified CIA documents. tsarion, Sitchin, etc. aren't waking anyone up because they aren't telling anyone the truth. They tell you SOME truth(well not sitchin much, but others such as icke and tsarion do), but then spin it into lies so that you chase your imagination in circles and never find the truth. You see the PTB know there will be people that will not want to accept this new world order and who will figure things out, so they set out leaders to prevent that from happening by given us people who we think are acting as a voice for us. They make you think you wake up, while you waste your time in fantasy land.
Also it makes it so that when ppl put out REAL truth, they are discredited by association, since the PTB set up leaders to put out some of the same truth but spun in into outterspace. And that's where 'being burned at the stake' comes in.
When u say this about greer and his witnesses is like not believing a single word for what project camelot and avalon stand for.
Anyways im done with this topic.
GoingToFast
12-01-2008, 05:29 PM
Oh it is far reaching indeed. It's time to take a dive farther down the rabbit hole my friend. I have many grounds to say this. It is the new age agenda which there is so much information about it is staggering. The PTB set up our leaders. They control all oppositions. The CIA set up entire the patriot movement, that is a fact and easily researchable with declassified CIA documents. tsarion, Sitchin, etc. aren't waking anyone up because they aren't telling anyone the truth. They tell you SOME truth(well not sitchin much, but others such as icke and tsarion do), but then spin it into lies so that you chase your imagination in circles and never find the truth. You see the PTB know there will be people that will not want to accept this new world order and who will figure things out, so they set out leaders to prevent that from happening by given us people who we think are acting as a voice for us.
So what you are saying is that Maxwell Icke Tsarion Sitchin and MANY others are all knowingly misleading the rest of us and that they are doing this under direct orders from the PTB's, is that what you are saying.
It is absolutely clear to me that you are one of the religious people that is scared to death of the possibility that there religious beliefs are built on a pack of lies and therefor your entire reality is coming apart.
BeaTnik-BandiT
12-01-2008, 05:33 PM
Not to defend Chris White, as I have stated before he is misguided, but Jordan Maxwell is not saint.
I haven't read these Chris White articles, but a first glance that tells me what kind of job he does.
I admit i am a respectful 'fan' of the work of Tsarion and Maxwell.
If i'm not mistaken, Maxwell is on social security and doesn't have a round.
For a 'supposedly' disinformant, his standard of living does't seems to be very high...:thumbdown:
Hell, Jordan Maxwell even said on Jeff Rense that him and his family shot and killed a baby t-rex in their backyard, absolutely ridiculous, Ha.
We could give him the benefice of the doubt and say he is making a bit things up to get attention...? :winksmiley02:
He's in cahoots with sitchin, tsarion, icke, and others. they all are pushing the reptilian alien agenda in some way shape or form. Pure disinformation.
That's a bold and misguiding statement to say. :thumbdown:
Personally, i feel it's dangerous to dismiss this possibilty without proper evaluation.
These are not the only researchers talking about this. They offer us a wider perspective of the situation IMHO, and their work to me sounds honest, backed and fully referenced.
Also, they bring solutions, and gives us hints on how to dodge our way out of this mess.
This documentary is very poor, although Chris White seems more genuine than Maxwell and the like, he is misguided by his religious beliefs. So here you have a someone who is wrong, showing incorrectly how someone who is wrong, is wrong. (that last sentence sounds a little funny but it makes sense lol
I know what you mean.
But like eaglespirit said in the previous post, Religion is a Lie
and this Chris White guy is trying to mix things up: Religion as 'truth' against 'conspiracy research'....
So we could then say:
1- Chris White spills his Religious frustration on the first guy around; here, Jordan Maxwell...
OR
2- He is a Disinformant, trying to gain profit from weaknesses of the 'messenger'.
but others such as icke and tsarion do), but then spin it into lies so that you chase your imagination in circles and never find the truth.
Well, my friend i am sorry to say you should go back and 'Do your homework' !
salute.
I haven't read these Chris White articles, but a first glance that tells me what kind of job he does.
I admit i am a respectful 'fan' of the work of Tsarion and Maxwell.
If i'm not mistaken, Maxwell is on social security and doesn't have a round.
For a 'supposedly' disinformant, his standard of living does't seems to be very high...:thumbdown:
We could give him the benefice of the doubt and say is makiing a bit things up to get attention...? :winksmiley02:
That's a bold and misguiding statement to say. :thumbdown:
Personally, i feel it's dangerous to dismiss this possibilty without proper evaluation.
These are not the only researchers talking about this. They offer us a wider perspective of the situation IMHO, and their work to me sounds honest, backed and fully referenced.
Also, they bring solutions, and gives us hints on how to dodge our way out of this mess.
I know what you mean.
But like eaglespirit said in the previous post, Religion is a Lie
and this Chris White guy is trying to mix things up: Religion as 'truth' against 'conspiracy research'....
So we could then say:
1- Chris White spills his Religious frustration on the first guy around; here, Jordan Maxwell...
OR
2- He is a Disinformant, trying to gain profit from weaknesses of the 'messenger'.
Well, my friend i am sorry to say you should go back and 'Do your homework' !
salute.
it's not just 1. or 2., there's always more than just black and white.
Chris white is wrong, but so is maxwell.
As for maxwell's standard of living, he didn't exactly live a hard life, he travelled the world, seen alot, hung with a lot of big boys, but screwed himself over by scamming ppl(he commited fraud), his is a legit criminal. And also, these 'disinformants' are really left in the dust. They are often not taking care of. often they think they are correct but have been lead to believe and spread the disinformation that they themselves think is truth. even high beaurocrats, they are just being used and usually don't even know it themselves.
i've done my homework, i'm afriad it's you haven't done yours. You have to get all sides fo the story, not just the black and white. i've ressearched Maxwell's info extensively for years, along with sitchin, icke, tsarion, and the like. It's all apart of the new age agenda. Please research that. The New Age Agenda. Also look into counter-intelligence. Look at the definition of it, and look what Icke, tsarion, etc. are doing. They give some truth, gain followers, then spin it into outterspace and lies. That's how counter-intelligence works. (for starters u coudl try the Alan Watt talks i posted in the 2nd post)
Maxwell, tsarion, etc. aren't offering hints or solutions, they give you a little truth and then spin it so you focus your attention and solutions on something that has nothing to do with stopping the new world order (even though u think it will). They love confused new world order combants that are busy chasing aliens and jews etc, and all of this made up conspiracy junk.
Also Maxwell has publicly stated his affection for masonry and that alone is one of the biggest red flags on his name. He is an actual disinfo agent imo. that why i say Chris White seems more genuine. Chris just seems completely off target because of his religious beliefs not allowing him from seeing the real picture. that doesn't make his info any better though.
And really how can you so easily write off what Maxwell said as "making up things to get attention" and not think that matters?
BeaTnik-BandiT
12-01-2008, 05:59 PM
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Maxwell, tsarion, etc. aren't offering hints or solutions, they give you a little truth and then spin it so you focus your attention and solutions on something .
What do you mean by this: 'little truth' ???
What's your definition of this.....and bring me an example in Tsarion's work that corroborate what you say.
I'll see then.
salute.
GoingToFast
12-01-2008, 06:06 PM
Thees are the fact's.
1. Mankind are a hybrid-creation of our ET-god's. Deal with it.
2. All religions created ANNO DOMINI are falsifications, they are created to enslave and control humanity.
3. Religion are the PTB's BEST WEAPON when it comes to controlling us, why would they destroy that.
4. When you are saying that the Maxwells Ickes Tsarions and many others are agents of the PTB's, you yourself are an Agent of the PTB's.
What do you mean by this: 'little truth' ???
What's your definition of this.....and bring me an example in Tsarion's work that corroborate what you say.
I'll see then.
salute.
simply things like when icke will talk about how there is the ruling elite, which is true, but then they spin it and say they are controlled by reptilian aliens and what not. Tsarion isn't as pronounced about reptilians, but the still pushes it, and helped Icke with a lot of his books. But they'll use sitchin's falsified info as evidence, and all sorts of misinterpretations to push this kinda stuff. Mainstream media even helps it along with series such as V. Predictive programming to defeat your mind. When you accept aliens as gods or rulers you become defeated, you'll never find an alien to blame or to complain to, and most will accept that as gods they are supeirior, and we are inferior, and therefor nothing can be done - or anythnig they think can be done, is useless cause they have their focus on something imaginary and any solution they put forth will not help anything. Please search previous posts by myself on this board, as I have many posts about more of this same information, and links to where to get more, etc.
Thees are the fact's.
1. Mankind are a hybrid-creation of our ET-god's. Deal with it.
2. All religions created ANNO DOMINI are falsifications, they are created to enslave and control humanity.
3. Religion are the PTB's BEST WEAPON when it comes to controlling us, why would they destroy that.
4. When you are saying that the Maxwells Ickes Tsarions and many others are agents of the PTB's, you yourself are an Agent of the PTB's.
I'll agree with you about religions for the most part, but that's it. ACtually not really, you only got 1/4. Because they are planning to destroy the old religions to bring in a new one. A better one to better control the public. Yes the old religions were tools to control us, but still they must be destroyed by the PTB to bring in their new religion. Which has basically already happened, it's called the new age.
I know it's hard for you to accept that there are no ETs involved here, many people believe this new age stuff like a religion. It's so fantastic they want to believe it. Behaviorists know this, humans are so attracted to fantastic. As Albert Pike said, "Oh, foolish man, what can you not be made to believe?"
Believing we are created by ET gods is EXACTLY what the new world order want us to believe. We are already defeated if thats what we think. Look into the new age agenda, this is EXACTLY what they want. There is an unseen element of pyschological defeat, when you accept aliens as our gods.
And no, using factual information to show how the PTB uses counter-intellgence does not make me "an agent of the PTB". that quote is practically Fear of knoweldge. And you can't say that I just haven't done my resaerch - Some may not believe in the alien agenda stuff etc. because they haven't looked into or w/e, but I have, extensively, so you can't say i haven't done my research. I have and more, and have come to what i see as now being obvious conclusions, that it is pure counter-intelligence.
Now I ask you, have you checked out all sides of the story, have you extensively researched the new age and counter intelligence?
GoingToFast
12-01-2008, 06:28 PM
Whenever there comes along a person who claims that we are created by other living beings they always get severely attacked by the religious right-wing of ALL DOMINATIONS, that in it's self tells you something doesn't it.
Remember Erich Von Däniken, any one?
Antaletriangle
12-01-2008, 06:32 PM
Why is there suddenly a bout of recriminations on Jordan Maxwell?
I have just looked at youtube and there are uploaded another set of anti maxwell vids?
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=03kx7-qiYjU
GoingToFast
12-01-2008, 06:36 PM
I'll agree with you about religions for the most part, but that's it. ACtually not really, because they are planning to destroy the old religions to bring in a new one. A better one to better control the public. Yes the old religions were tools to control us, but still they must be destroyed by the PTB to bring in their new religion. Which has basically already happened, it's called the new age.
I know it's hard for you to accept that there are no ETs involved here, many people believe this new age stuff like a religion. It's so fantastic they want to believe it. Behaviorists know this, humans are so attracted to fantastic. As Albert Pike said, "Oh, foolish man, what can you not be made to believe?"
Believing we are created by ET gods is EXACTLY what the new world order want us to believe. We are already defeated if thats what we think. Look into the new age agenda, this is EXACTLY what they want.
And no, using factual information to show how the PTB uses counter-intellgence does not make me "an agent of the PTB". that quote is practically Fear of knoweldge. And you can't say that I just haven't done my resaerch - Some may not believe in the alien agenda stuff etc. because they haven't looked into or w/e, but I have, extensively, so you can't say i haven't done my research. I have and more, and have come to what i see as now being obvious conclusions, that it is pure counter-intelligence.
Now I ask you, have you checked out all sides of the story, have you extensively researched the new age and counter intelligence?
This will most probably get me another point from the moderators, but I just gotto tellya.
DOOM, YOU ARE JUST ANOTHER D**B*SS.
This will most probably get me another point from the moderators, but I just gotto tellya.
DOOM, YOU ARE JUST ANOTHER D**B*SS.
comments like that are only helping my aguement here you know. has it really already broken down to childish ridicule?
Whenever there comes along a person who claims that we are created by other living beings they always get severely attacked by the religious right-wing of ALL DOMINATIONS, that in it's self tells you something doesn't it.
Remember Erich Von Däniken, any one?
Yea i remember him, he paid a mexican kid to carve things into a cave, and then sold it to the public as evidence of ancient astronauts. He was a fraud. The mainstream media even gave it a good push. It may have got a lot of what appeared bad publicity in the mainstream (he was demonized a lot), but any publicity is good publicity. It was getting mentioned in papers and what not all the time. Counter-intelligence at work as usual.
Why is there suddenly a bout of recriminations on Jordan Maxwell?
I have just looked at youtube and there are uploaded another set of anti maxwell vids?
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=03kx7-qiYjU
I haven't watched this, but I'm just going to throw this out there. It could be because more and more ppl are beggining to actually wake up, and expose many of these false truth movement leaders. Then again, it could be just more Chris White type non-sense.
GoingToFast
12-01-2008, 06:51 PM
comments like that are only helping my aguement here you know. has it really already broken down to childish ridicule?
What ever you religious-dogmatist, you just don't get it do you.
THE HISTORY AS WE KNOW IT IS A FALSIFICATION, get it through your thick scull, and it is this FALS HISTORY that YOU are KLINGING ON TO.
Watchmen111
12-01-2008, 06:54 PM
Interesting video but I still like Jordon Maxwell work any way his work only part of truth his work makes cents .
Antaletriangle
12-01-2008, 07:03 PM
I agree watchmen even if some of his info. is slightly misaligned (concerning his english-aramaic/bic and sumerian word combinations) i feel he's opened people's eyes to agendas that wouldn't have normally have been exposed,although Icke and others would have provided this info. it's still a step in an awakening direction for some.
Watchmen111
12-01-2008, 07:10 PM
its only part of the great complex Pluzz we all now what true deep down inside use .............:lightsabre:
What ever you religious-dogmatist, you just don't get it do you.
THE HISTORY AS WE KNOW IT IS A FALSIFICATION, get it through your thick scull, and it is this FALS HISTORY that YOU are KLINGING ON TO.
what are you even talking about? I'm not religious at all in any way shape or form. And I know we have been lied to and misinformed about history. :rolleyes: . Have you thouroughly read any of my posts? You should try to understand what I'm saying before you make comments like this that don't even make sense.
BeaTnik-BandiT
12-01-2008, 07:39 PM
As for maxwell's standard of living, he didn't exactly live a hard life, he travelled the world, seen alot, hung with a lot of big boys, but screwed himself over by scamming ppl(he commited fraud), his is a legit criminal.
Maxwell made an official statement on his site: The scammer was the guy that offered him a place to live in his appartment during a rough period of his life, broken.
As Albert Pike said, "Oh, foolish man, what can you not be made to believe?"
Believing we are created by ET gods is EXACTLY what the new world order want us to believe. We are already defeated if thats what we think. Look into the new age agenda, this is EXACTLY what they want.
I would not trust the word of a guy like Albert Pike: there is more than a chance that what he says has mutiple meanings....
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Here it's important to NOT mix oranges and apples:
- The New-Age agenda is runned by the PTBs, it wants you to believe All ETs are your 'Space Brothers',
lower our guards without Discernement, program us in accepting the ET presence, i mean 'bad' ETs that could very well pull the strings behind the PTBs, and bringing us to comply to their agenda of power over humanity.
The PTBs goal is:
- They want you to feel overwhelmed and powerless.
- Ultimately they want you to rely on every 'external' artifice possible.
Anyways, whatever is behind the scenes, the message is: watch your step.....with Discernement :original:
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To me, Icke,Tsarion, Maxwell (i am excluding Sitchin) are honestly ringing the bell and bringing solutions.
Icke's message could sound a bit negative (that's a double edge sword that serves PTBs purpose) but anyways show us how to free ourselves.
Michael Tsarion once said something like this: ' Why am i quoting *** **** that worked for the PTBs, secret societies along with Genuine ones ?
---Because each all of these individuals brought pieces of truth, be it corrupted in part or not.'---
We all have to do the sorting.
salute.
Maxwell made an official statement on his site: The scammer was the guy that offered him a place to live in his appartment during a rough period of his life, broken.
I would not trust the word of a guy like Albert Pike: there is more than a chance that what he says has mutiple meanings....
----------------------------------------------------
Here it's important to NOT mix oranges and apples:
- The New-Age agenda is runned by the PTBs, it wants you to believe All ETs are your 'Space Brothers',
lower our guards without Discernement, program us in accepting the ET presence, i mean 'bad' ETs that could very well pull the strings behind the PTBs, and bringing us to comply to their agenda of power over humanity.
The PTBs goal is:
- They want you to feel overwhelmed and powerless.
- Ultimately they want you to rely on every 'external' artifice possible.
Anyways, whatever is behind the scenes, the message is: watch your step.....with Discernement :original:
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To me, Icke,Tsarion, Maxwell (i am excluding Sitchin) are honestly ringing the bell and bringing solutions.
Icke's message could sound a bit negative (that's a double edge sword that serves PTBs purpose) but anyways show us how to free ourselves.
Michael Tsarion once said something like this: ' Why am i quoting *** **** that worked for the PTBs, secret societies along with Genuine ones ?
---Because each all of these individuals brought pieces of truth, be it corrupted in part or not.'---
We all have to do the sorting.
salute.
The PTB want you to believe aliens are here period. they push the 'bad' et angle and the 'good' et stuff. It's all bull. I know what you're saying but I honestly find it hard to believe you still actually think tsarion/etc have solutions that ring a bell. They are complete new age propogandists. How can you understand the new age and not see that? I know because I once was a new-ager heavily into ICke and Tsarion many years ago. And looking back I was completley brainwashed believing some of the new age stuff, about changing the world by just thinking postive thoughts and avoiding negative and all sorts of bull like that. Eventually they all lead you down the same road, depending how deep you take it it has the same roots, it's all the same new age religion that the PTB set up and want you to believe in.
Watchmen111
12-01-2008, 08:07 PM
The truth must be falsehood unless it be the whole truth: and the whole truth is partly inaccessible, partly unintelligible ,partly incredible and partly unpublishable- that is in any country where truth in itself is recognized as a dangerous explosive."
by Crowley
The truth must be falsehood unless it be the whole truth: and the whole truth is partly inaccessible, partly unintelligible ,partly incredible and partly unpublishable- that is in any country where truth in itself is recognized as a dangerous explosive."
by Crowley
One of the fathers of the new age movement, and a commited member of MI5, Crowley is a scary one indeed.
Watchmen111
12-01-2008, 08:30 PM
yap new that about Crowley :mfr_lol: Nothing new everything is old its part of endless circle .
GoingToFast
12-01-2008, 09:22 PM
Yea i remember him, he paid a mexican kid to carve things into a cave, and then sold it to the public as evidence of ancient astronauts. He was a fraud. The mainstream media even gave it a good push. It may have got a lot of what appeared bad publicity in the mainstream (he was demonized a lot), but any publicity is good publicity. It was getting mentioned in papers and what not all the time. Counter-intelligence at work as usual.
This is exactly what I'm talking about, instead of responding to the HARD-CORE issues and discuss what Däniken and Maxwell really are talking about, all people like you do is to find a crack in the personality of the messenger and then use that to MISSCREDIT and DESTROY him or her. This only prows that your wrong on the issues.
The problem for you is that most intelligent people can see through that GAIL BU****IT.
This is exactly what I'm talking about, instead of responding to the HARD-CORE issues and discuss what Däniken and Maxwell really are talking about, all people like you do is to find a crack in the personality of the messenger and then use that to MISSCREDIT and DESTROY him or her. This only prows that your wrong on the issues.
The problem for you is that most intelligent people can see through that GAIL BU****IT.
But it's true. Do you deny this story? Look it up. Daniken is part of a heavily funded counter intelligence operation. what hardcore issues are you talking about. How about 'the disappearing male' (see my thread on avalon health forum) and how we're being sterilzed by people in lab coats, while new agers are busy chasing aliens and repitlians.
micjer
12-01-2008, 10:30 PM
It appears that Jordan may have some discrepancies in his research. However I do believe that he has some very good data and pictures.
He is a regular guest on Coast2Coast with George Noory. They seem to look into people's research and credability. I feel that they would not have him on if he were not on the up and up.
I for one am not going to throw the baby out with the bathwater.
http://www.jordanmaxwell.com/articles/religion/religion3.html
:lightsabre:
GoingToFast
12-01-2008, 10:56 PM
But it's true. Do you deny this story? Look it up. Daniken is part of a heavily funded counter intelligence operation. what hardcore issues are you talking about. How about 'the disappearing male' (see my thread on avalon health forum) and how we're being sterilzed by people in lab coats, while new agers are busy chasing aliens and repitlians.
The real HARDCORE ISSUE is that God is not a bearded angry old guy that sits in the heavens, the issue is that the God's our creators are of EXSTRATERRESTRIAL origin, That is the hard-core issue that Däniken Maxwell Sitchin and others are talking about and that my friend is a bullet that you can not dodge for ever.
The disappearing male has to do with Chemical pollution and nothing else.
Oneness
12-02-2008, 12:16 AM
I think everyone on this thread needs to smoke Dymethyltryptamine. :mfr_lol: Open up the gland, just once...then this whole arguing bit would disappear. The word Extraterrestrials would be replaced with Extra dimensionals, able to lower frequency to terrestrial.
Our race has more power than any of them. We've just been blinded into not seeing it.
:thumb_yello:
GoingToFast
12-02-2008, 12:46 AM
The word Extraterrestrials would be replaced with Extra dimensionals, able to lower frequency to terrestrial.
Our race has more power than any of them. We've just been blinded into not seeing it.
:thumb_yello:
This I could actually agree on, there is a possibility that some of the ET's are of extra dimensional character. You are also right on the human capability, we have enormous powers and capabilities within ourselves that is laying dormant in all of us, also one of the hidden truths is that we are all interconnected, we are all one collective subconscious, our souls are all connected.
I think everyone on this thread needs to smoke Dymethyltryptamine. :mfr_lol: Open up the gland, just once...then this whole arguing bit would disappear. The word Extraterrestrials would be replaced with Extra dimensionals, able to lower frequency to terrestrial.
Our race has more power than any of them. We've just been blinded into not seeing it.
:thumb_yello:
there's some more new age for you. The promotion of drugs. Drugs don't hold the truth and never will. And yes i know all about DMT, I've spent far too many hours at erowid.org researching all kinds of drugs. I'm sorry but the entire oneness concept Icke and many others talk about acheiving on drugs is completely masonic and all a apart of the new age religion. Look into the real esoteric meanings of shamanism, it is just like any other religion, used as a tool of control, it does not contain much of any truth on a exoteric level. Also, if you wanted to actually look into the masonic meaning behind E.T or Extra Terrestrials, I think you'd be qutie fascinated.
we are all one collective subconscious, our souls are all connected.
heres even more new age stuff. In fact this in one of the main ideas of the new age religon, which was taken from ancient hinduism. this is exactly the new world order agenda, to make us into 'the borg', in a hive mind consciousness. The new world order is about the destruction of the individual and it's well on it's way. Look into the symbolism of the bee and beehive.
I have tonnes of reports of the hive mind, about turning us into borg:
for one, look into this report:
"NANOTECHNOLOGY, BIOTECHNOLOGY, INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY AND COGNITIVE SCIENCE"
National Science Foundation / Department Of Commerce-sponsored report - June 2002
(Large .PDF file approx. 7 MB): NBIC 405-page report. http://www.cuttingthroughthematrix.com/articles/NBIC_pre_publication.pdf
And here is a follow up article about this report:
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2002/07/20/1026898931815.html
US report foretells of brave new world
By Nathan Cochrane
July 23 2002
A draft government report says we will alter human evolution within 20 years by combining what we know of nanotechnology, biotechnology, IT and cognitive sciences. The 405-page report sponsored by the US National Science Foundation and Commerce Department, Converging Technologies for Improving Human Performance, calls for a broad-based research program to improve human performance leading to telepathy, machine-to-human communication, amplified personal sensory devices and enhanced intellectual capacity.
People may download their consciousnesses into computers or other bodies even on the other side of the solar system, or participate in a giant "hive mind", a network of intelligences connected through ultra-fast communications networks. "With knowledge no longer encapsulated in individuals, the distinction between individuals and the entirety of humanity would blur," the report says. "Think Vulcan mind-meld. We would perhaps become more of a hive mind - an enormous, single, intelligent entity."
Armies may one day be fielded by machines that think for themselves while devices will respond to soldiers' commands before their thoughts are fully formed, it says. The report says the abilities are within our grasp but will require an intense public-relations effort to "prepare key organisations and societal activities for the changes made possible by converging technologies", and to counter concern over "ethical, legal and moral" issues. Education should be overhauled down to the primary-school level to bridge curriculum gaps between disparate subject areas.
Professional societies should be open to practitioners from other fields, it says. "The success of this convergent-technologies priority area is crucial to the future of humanity," the report says.
The real HARDCORE ISSUE is that God is not a bearded angry old guy that sits in the heavens, the issue is that the God's our creators are of EXSTRATERRESTRIAL origin, That is the hard-core issue that Däniken Maxwell Sitchin and others are talking about and that my friend is a bullet that you can not dodge for ever.
The disappearing male has to do with Chemical pollution and nothing else.
Why do you keep refering to me believing in a 'bearded angry old guy' as being God? I have never mentioned once that I believe in God or any religion.
The disappearing male is one of the most hardcore issues facing us today, it is not 'simply chemical pollution', it is a deliberate take down of our species. It is war on the population from all angles. The plan is to kill us all and create a new human species, specifically designed to better serve the elite, to be better slaves. Chasing our imaginations and false information about extra terresterial origins of our species will not help save our exitence, only the opposite.
Ugh there is so much new age here it is pretty worrysome, here's a thread that recently started to discuss the new age. http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=7434
GoingToFast
12-02-2008, 01:36 AM
heres even more new age stuff. In fact this in one of the main ideas of the new age religon, which was taken from ancient hinduism. this is exactly the new world order agenda, to make us into 'the borg', in a hive mind consciousness. The new world order is about the destruction of the individual and it's well on it's way. Look into the symbolism of the bee and beehive.
You haven't got a clue man do you, it is the exact opposite, when we humanbeings understands our true nature we will strengthen our individuality, what you are actually saying Doom is that we should fight against and oppress our true nature in order to be individuals, that is just stupid.
You haven't got a clue man do you, it is the exact opposite, when we humanbeings understands our true nature we will strengthen our individuality, what you are actually saying Doom is that we should fight against and oppress our true nature in order to be individuals, that is just stupid.
That is all new age talk bro, please study it a bit before making such comments. We as a human race are being wiped and you are busy chasing a lie about alien origins of humanity. Of course we must study the past to help us understand how this sytem of control upon us works, but it has absoutely nothing to do with aliens, that's all complete dis-info. We can't be wasting out time chasing lies about ancient astronauts, even if the whole world got up up tomorrow morning believing we were created by aliens that would DO NOTHING to solve anything. But that's your choice, if you are afraid of knowledge that's your choice. Unless you've actually studied counter-intelligence and the new age and still believe what you do, then i would respect your opinion, but it is obvious you haven't cause you're falling right into it, a text book example of a new ager.
I really don't like the way this conversation is going, it's getting insulting etc. look, I've studied for many years - all the alien agenda stuff that you believe, and I don't agree. So you'll just have to agree to disagree with me, we are allowed to have different opinions. But i think it's only fair you look at the big picture and try to understand the new age movement. I think that would easily disprove your theories. That is just my opinion though. If you have already studied much of this and still beleive what you believe, then we're just have to agree to have differing opinions. I decided to come here for the purpose of waking up new agers, as I believe they have the best shot as opposed to those who are still stuck in the mainstream paradigms. But I am not going to do the research for anyone or tell anyone what they should think. I'm just trying to get out this information about counter-intellgegnce and the new age movement so that people can decide to look into it themselves, cause a person cannot be forced to wake up, they must take the intiative to wake up themselves.
And i'll mention that I do not "fight and oppress our true nature". Our true nature is our survival isntinct, and has nothing to do with aliens. Believing aliens are gods that created us is basically given up your survival instinct. Our true nature should be fighting back this new world order, and not allowing our minds to be disabled and spun into outterspace by disinfo. Our survival instinct only stays in tact when our minds do.
GoingToFast
12-02-2008, 01:58 AM
Why do you keep refering to me believing in a 'bearded angry old guy' as being God? I have never mentioned once that I believe in God or any religion.
The disappearing male is one of the most hardcore issues facing us today, it is not 'simply chemical pollution', it is a deliberate take down of our species. It is war on the population from all angles. The plan is to kill us all and create a new human species, specifically designed to better serve the elite, to be better slaves. Chasing our imaginations and false information about extra terresterial origins of our species will not help save our exitence, only the opposite.
Ugh there is so much new age here it is pretty worrysome, here's a thread that recently started to discuss the new age. http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=7434
I almost feel sorry for you man you must live in a nightmare that is full of conspiracy-theories that has been amplified in to a state of paranoia, loosen up it isn't that bad. They aren't out to kill all of us, if they were we would all be dead a LOOOONG TIME ago, really.
And buy the way I'm not talking "new age" I'm talking about reality, who we really are and where we really come from and who our true creators are, that has nothing to do with "new age religion", that my friend is OLD AGE TEACHINGS AND WISDOM
I almost feel sorry for you man you must live in a nightmare that is full of conspiracy-theories that has been amplified in to a state of paranoia, loosen up it isn't that bad. They aren't out to kill all of us, if they were we would all be dead a LOOOONG TIME ago, really.
And buy the way I'm not talking "new age" I'm talking about reality, who we really are and where we really come from and who our true creators are, that has nothing to do with "new age religion", that my friend is OLD AGE TEACHINGS
No really, you are talking about new age. Look into it, practically everything you have said is text book new age, i'm not lying. Please study the new age movement. You're not talking about reality at all.
And yes, it is a nightmare we live in, but no there are no conspiracy theories, most conspiracy theories are lies with truths attatched to discredit the truths. But don't feel sorry for me, because you live in the same reality where it is a nightmare too, even if you chose not to see it that way.
And yes, they do plan to kill all of us, it's in official UN documents and many others, and is documented by many of the 'big boys' throughout history. Even plato talked about it 2000 years ago. It's been a plan by the elite's long in the making. That is the cold hard truth. The truth hurts, and it's only when we stop ignoring these negative facts that we can begin to fix them. That's another new age belief - that positive thinking and avoding negativity etc. will fix everything. You know what happens if we do that? Our minds become disabled, we lose our survival instincts, and we are easily made to do the will of our 'masters'. Facing reality is a lot harsher than buying into fairy tales about aliens, but not as fun, no it certainly isn't fun at all.
The reason they haven't killed us off already is because they needed us up until now, they've been using us to perpetuate their system(kind of like how the machines in the movie the matrix use the humans as batteries), but now that the technology is here etc., we have become 'useless eaters' as bertrand russel said. That's why the depopulation agenda has already began with all these diseases and cancers.
Please man, for the sake of all that is good, research the new age movement more extensively.
GoingToFast
12-02-2008, 02:36 AM
No really, you are talking about new age. Look into it, practically everything you have said is text book new age, i'm not lying. Please study the new age movement. You're not talking about reality at all.
And yes, it is a nightmare we live in, but no there are no conspiracy theories, most conspiracy theories are lies with truths attatched to discredit the truths.
And yes, they do plan to kill all of us, it's in official UN documents and many others, and is documented by many of the 'big boys' throughout history. Even plato talked about it 2000 years ago. It's been a plan by the elite's long in the making. That is the cold hard truth. The truth hurts, and it's only when we stop ignoring these negative facts that we can begin to fix them. That's another new age belief - that positive thinking and avoding negativity etc. will fix everything. You know what happens if we do that? Our minds become disabled, we lose our survival instincts, and we are easily made to do the will of our 'masters'. Facing reality is a lot harsher than buying into fairy tales about aliens, but not as fun, no it certainly isn't fun at all.
The reason they haven't killed us off already is because they needed us up until now, they've been using us to perpetuate their system(kind of like how the machines in the movie the matrix use the humans as batteries), but now that the technology is here etc., we have become 'useless eaters' as bertrand russel said. That's why the depopulation agenda has already began with all these diseases and cancers.
Please man, for the sake of all that is good, research the new age movement more extensively.
Listen dude, I have first hand experience of ET's I AM AN ABDUCTEE so I think I have fairly good idea about what I'm talking about, OK, they are as real as you and me.
I also have some esoteric experiences like out of body-experiences and precognitive dreams, I have first hand experience of what I'm talking about and it has NOTHING to do with any "new age agenda" belive me.
Listen dude, I have first hand experience of ET's I AM AN ABDUCTEE so I think I have fairly good idea about what I'm talking about, OK, they are as real as you and me.
I also have some esoteric experiences like out of body-experiences and precognitive dreams, I have first hand experience of what I'm talking about and it has NOTHING to do with any "new age agenda" belive me.
my goodness... :rolleyes:
that's what the new age agenda is.
I have to call you out on this, as I do with all 'abductees' I think either you are
a)a straight up liar,
b)you've gone somewhat mad because of the insanity on this planet(don't feel too bad, many are unable to maintain sanity in an insane society),
c)you've honestly had some very serious mind control. Be it through some sort of counter-intelligence information that effected your mind in such a way, or who knows, they are even capable of creating false memories in people, Berzisnki said in 'between two ages' that they would be able to electronically control the minds of the public, right down to targeting specific individuals, the technology is out there . I have long studied the abduction phenomenon. I still don't know for sure whether it's a complete fabrication, or if people are really experiencing what they think are abductions/obe's when they really aren't.
OR of course
d)there could be some rare medical condition, or chemical reaction to some of the garbage they've been putting into the evironment that causes these illusions, acting like a hallucinetic drug.
honestly I think it's likely a or b in your case. just my opinion of course.
this is what happens to the mind when the new age religion disables it.
Pomguymguy
12-02-2008, 04:50 AM
I "Feel " a lot of very heavy energy here guys - points taken on both sides - the PTB just sit back and smile, I guess - they won yet another round - :wall:
There is truth out there - guess the answers will come soon enough:mfr_omg:
Paul R:mfr_lol:
GoingToFast
12-02-2008, 03:53 PM
my goodness... :rolleyes:
That's what the new age agenda is.
I have to call you out on this, as i do with all 'abductees' i think either you are
a)a straight up liar,
b)you've gone somewhat mad because of the insanity on this planet(don't feel too bad, many are unable to maintain sanity in an insane society),
c)you've honestly had some very serious mind control. Be it through some sort of counter-intelligence information that effected your mind in such a way, or who knows, they are even capable of creating false memories in people, berzisnki said in 'between two ages' that they would be able to electronically control the minds of the public, right down to targeting specific individuals. I have long studied the abduction phenomenon. I still don't know for sure whether it's a complete fabrication, or if people are really experiencing what they think are abductions/obe's when they really aren't.
Or of course
d)there could be some rare medical condition, or chemical reaction to some of the garbage they've been putting into the evironment that causes these illusions, acting like a hallucinetic drug.
Honestly i think it's likely a or b in your case. Just my opinion of course.
This is what happens to the mind when the new age religion disables it.
You really have no clue of what you're talking about, IDIOT.
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=yJTkzNa87WQ
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=7UCShx1H424
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=TXErof0cjUA
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=PuGi8qqn9k8
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=CV_JpDW6FDg
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=lj-cGOsNSVw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-W0oci_5Ez0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14_xv4nN330&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrBVqCN5FBo&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AhAaA6u_-OA&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tnd0WX9sTz4
You really have no clue of what you're talking about, IDIOT.
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=yJTkzNa87WQ
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=7UCShx1H424
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=TXErof0cjUA
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=PuGi8qqn9k8
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=CV_JpDW6FDg
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=lj-cGOsNSVw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-W0oci_5Ez0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14_xv4nN330&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrBVqCN5FBo&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AhAaA6u_-OA&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tnd0WX9sTz4
more childish name calling, and then post spam youtube links.... wonderful, :rolleyes:
I've seen and read all this John Mack, Jim Sparks , etc. stuff before. Nothing new, just more dis-info. All this stuff is not true, don't you see? It's completeley new age, it all leads down the same path eventually. Please have you even read any of my posts? Study counter-intelligence, study the new age. All this alien abduction, alien contact, alien channeling stuff is a complete scam. And if it was real, it wouldn't be aliens, it would be high technology built here by us with no help from aliens, that is secret to the public, being tested on us.
Magamud
12-02-2008, 07:06 PM
Doom,
Thanks for starting to spill you smarts on this manner. You usually just send people to Alan but it sounds like you have been around the block. Keep it up!
Nice job in trying to explain the counter intelligence with the new age. Good points with giving up your survival instincts, you cant go to your local Alien complaint department and how this is all predictive programming to form a world religion. We are just seeing a piece of time in this grand agenda that is spanning hundreds of years. I think to grasp this concept you have to believe/assume that man is wicked/psychopathic and through counter intelligence they mold and manipulate us. Then start the reading of their own documents and then realize how much power/money they have. How incredibly organized they are and then you can see much clearer on where we are at.
I think the recent controlled demolition of the church by the New Age movement is still so intense for people they are still held in that drama and cannot see the hegalian dialectic in it. That would be the smart thing to do by the PTB yes? By the time people get over the destruction of the old religions the New Age movement/counter intelligence has had time to codify itself and build its foundations/perceptions and its manipulation to control/decieve. Holy sh ee t the New age religion will last another 1000 years! We are in deep d o o d o o!
Dadrious
12-02-2008, 07:36 PM
Thanks for the entertainment guys! :lol3:
Really, is there anyone Alan Watt hasn't attacked?
Stay tuned for Alan Watt versus Jordan Maxwell in a cage match, live on pay-per-view this Sunday!
:roftl:
milk and honey
12-02-2008, 07:55 PM
I have questions for doom and megamud. Are you guys materialists? ie, Do you believe the material plane is all there is? No higher dimensions of reality only what you can sense with the 5 senses?
I do go along with your take on the 'ET' scam though. Not that i believe there are no ETs in the cosmos. But that the whole "ET Creators (of man) in UFOs returning to earth to save us" scenario is a deception. I believe the channeling / abductee / contactee business is a psyops but i am just as wary of Alan Watt.
He is placed for those with a mindset to reject the 'ET' phenomena but has his share of poison to peddle.
feeler
12-02-2008, 08:11 PM
I do go along with your take on the 'ET' scam though. Not that i believe there are no ETs in the cosmos. But that the whole "ET Creators (of man) in UFOs returning to earth to save us" scenario is a deception.
According to Nassim Haramein, we are living in grace; a comet twice the size of Jupiter would have knocked the earth out of its orbit, had it not received intervention.
On the other hand, according to William Bramley in his book 'The Gods of Eden,' ETs provoked wars and spread the black plague throughout our history.
I am on the fence with this one.
-feeler
Thanks for the entertainment guys! :lol3:
Really, is there anyone Alan Watt hasn't attacked?
Stay tuned for Alan Watt versus Jordan Maxwell in a cage match, live on pay-per-view this Sunday!
:roftl:
Alan Watt has never "attacked" anyone. Though he'll answer questions about people if asked. And his answers are far from 'attacks', he does a lot of factual legitimate exposing, but never attacking.
I have questions for doom and megamud. Are you guys materialists? ie, Do you believe the material plane is all there is? No higher dimensions of reality only what you can sense with the 5 senses?
I do go along with your take on the 'ET' scam though. Not that i believe there are no ETs in the cosmos. But that the whole "ET Creators (of man) in UFOs returning to earth to save us" scenario is a deception. I believe the channeling / abductee / contactee business is a psyops but i am just as wary of Alan Watt.
He is placed for those with a mindset to reject the 'ET' phenomena but has his share of poison to peddle.
Well of course, you can never trust anyone without looking into the information yourself. Don't ever take these guys word for anything without doing the research yourself.
And about 'going beyond 5 sense reality'. Well of course I think there is reality beyond what our eyes can see, but at the same time our real purpose here is what we do while here and really there is no point in placing human values upon something so beyond our ken. I'm not going to get all into spirituality on this thread, it is quite a vast subject, but I will say that I do believe in human spirit.
I'll just say that the problem with new agers like Icke, etc. is that they place too much value on things beyond our ken, it's the same as any religion really, which is why the new age is a religion, and faith based. Essentially, When we leave this 5 sense reality, we die, and everyone dies eventually, so you shouldn't be in a rush to 'escape this reality'. Which is exactly what these new agers are pushing, all this 'go beyond 5 senses' stuff coming from the new agers, isn't about true spirituality, it's about disconnecting you with reality so that you don't do anything to change it, and let the new world order keep going on how it is, and if you do try anything to stop it, you will be so misguided that you will probably do more harm than help. It's all about getting you into certain mindsets which disable the mind and make people easier to control.
According to Nassim Haramein, we are living in grace; a comet twice the size of Jupiter would have knocked the earth out of its orbit, had it not received intervention.
On the other hand, according to William Bramley in his book 'The Gods of Eden,' ETs provoked wars and spread the black plague throughout our history.
I am on the fence with this one.
-feeler
No offence at all meant to you feeler, but I think this is more new age junk. I mean, I could get into it specifically, but just think how ridiculous that is. None of this type of information is going to help anyone do anything to stop the new world order. It's completely false information and when you get people believing this type of stuff they are completely useless to relize and fight what is really happening cause they ar too busy worried about aliens and their imagination. Of course what is really happening is pretty insane and amazing and terrible too, but these lies put out in many conspiracy theories are 100% complete science fiction and discredit by assoiciation the truths that get mixed into conspiracy theories. Conspiracy is a huge business. Conspiracy theories are set up and funded by the PTB. All oppositions are controlled. You think they are dumb enough to let us wake up with such ease? It goes much deeper than most think. The CIA is heavily involved in conjuring up consipiracies and perputating them to the public. Conspiracy theory is basically just a new genre of science fiction and predictive programming. People want to believe the fantastic, so they are given it.
Dadrious
12-03-2008, 02:31 AM
Alan Watt has never "attacked" anyone. Though he'll answer questions about people if asked. And his answers are far from 'attacks', he does a lot of factual legitimate exposing, but never attacking.
Uh, yes he has. I've heard him, in his own voice, attack people. Michael Tsarion actually called him out on it and he backed down, blatantly lying saying he never said anything bad about him when he had. If Alan Watt wants to be a bitter rebel, fine, but the attacks are childish and unfounded.
And Chris White is an agent, anyone with 2 brain cells can figure that out.
Uh, yes he has. I've heard him, in his own voice, attack people. Michael Tsarion actually called him out on it and he backed down, blatantly lying saying he never said anything bad about him when he had. If Alan Watt wants to be a bitter rebel, fine, but the attacks are childish and unfounded.
And Chris White is an agent, anyone with 2 brain cells can figure that out.
:rolleyes: Tarot Card Tsarion has no credibility to be calling out anyone in the first place heh
Alan has never attacked, he has only mentioned how tsarion/icke and crew tried to buy him off and try to get him to lie etc. when he's been asked about it by hosts/callers. What , he Alan suppose to lie to his callers? It's very important to expose these new age gurus and counter intelligence that is discrediting and hiding the real truths. I have never even heard Alan raise his voice ha, he does not attack by any stretch of the imagination. Tsarion is the one who's been called out time and time again and acts in such a childish manner, slinging insults and swears, yelling and screaming like a baby, tell tale signs of a pyschopath. His very manner in which he conducts himself says alot. He puts out some truth, I'll admit, but he sure leads it off into outterspace to discredit it pretty good, from tarot cards, to ancient reptilian alien bloodlines or what not, he takes you around the block, that's for sure.
And I'm not defending Chris White in the least. I don't know if he's an 'agent' so much as just misguided and misdirected because of his religious beliefs, but who knows for sure.
Dadrious
12-03-2008, 04:51 AM
:rolleyes: Tarot Card Tsarion has no credibility to be calling out anyone in the first place heh
Alan has never attacked, he has only mentioned how tsarion/icke and crew tried to buy him off and try to get him to lie etc. when he's been asked about it by hosts/callers. What , he Alan suppose to lie to his callers? It's very important to expose these new age gurus and counter intelligence that is discrediting and hiding the real truths. I have never even heard Alan raise his voice ha, he does not attack by any stretch of the imagination. Tsarion is the one who's been called out time and time again and acts in such a childish manner, slinging insults and swears, yelling and screaming like a baby, tell tale signs of a pyschopath. His very manner in which he conducts himself says alot. He puts out some truth, I'll admit, but he sure leads it off into outterspace to discredit it pretty good, from tarot cards, to ancient reptilian alien bloodlines or what not, he takes you around the block, that's for sure.
And I'm not defending Chris White in the least. I don't know if he's an 'agent' so much as just misguided and misdirected because of his religious beliefs, but who knows for sure.
I wrote something longer...but then I realized it's pointless and almost shameful. So I started laughing about it...at the end of the day it's all looking pretty pointless. Might as well find some amusement in it? If you really look into these researchers and their kind...you may find...
Michael Tsarion is a raging heathen.
Chris White is a disgruntled altar boy
Alan Watt is bitter and broke.
David Icke is too high to notice.
Eric John Phelps is a zionist agent.
Jordan Maxwell decided to throw in with the big boys down at the lodge.
Alex Jones is a CIA agent.
Bill Deagle is just a fear mongering lunatic.
...is it true about them? Is it worse? Maybe? So why not be your own researcher...and why not acknowledge these people as humans like us? A human will never, ever know the whole truth. It is not possible. Mistakes will be made ... a little "fact" may be missed during research which could bring up a whole new theory to ponder. Somebody else may find that missed fact, and thus we have two conflicting theories. Must there be a battle over it? Maybe all these above mentioned fellows and many others are honest truth seekers?
I don't know, the only thing I know is that I do not wish to continue being guilty of such pointless battling. It may send me down a road where one day I would take precious time out of my short life here to make a "documentary film", simply to attack a man. A man who may in truth turn out to have been an honest truth seeker simply trying to make sense of this god forsaken mess of a world we live in.
Best Wishes.
I wrote something longer...but then I realized it's pointless and almost shameful. So I started laughing about it...at the end of the day it's all looking pretty pointless. Might as well find some amusement in it? If you really look into these researchers and their kind...you may find...
Michael Tsarion is a raging heathen.
Chris White is a disgruntled altar boy
Alan Watt is bitter and broke.
David Icke is too high to notice.
Eric John Phelps is a zionist agent.
Jordan Maxwell decided to throw in with the big boys down at the lodge.
Alex Jones is a CIA agent.
Bill Deagle is just a fear mongering lunatic.
...is it true about them? Is it worse? Maybe? So why not be your own researcher...and why not acknowledge these people as humans like us? A human will never, ever know the whole truth. It is not possible. Mistakes will be made ... a little "fact" may be missed during research which could bring up a whole new theory to ponder. Somebody else may find that missed fact, and thus we have two conflicting theories. Must there be a battle over it? Maybe all these above mentioned fellows and many others are honest truth seekers?
I don't know, the only thing I know is that I do not wish to continue being guilty of such pointless battling. It may send me down a road where one day I would take precious time out of my short life here to make a "documentary film", simply to attack a man. A man who may in truth turn out to have been an honest truth seeker simply trying to make sense of this god forsaken mess of a world we live in.
Best Wishes.
Oh well, i pretty much agree, I mean, that's exactly what we need to be doing is cutting out the middle men and researching everything ourselves, going straight to the libraries to get the real books written by the real big players and big organizations that run the world, and make our own minds up on whats being done. I find Alan to be one of the only genuine researchers, but that is only my opinion. Though I certainly don't take his word on anything without looking things up for myself.
heh and about Alan being 'bitter and broke'. He sure is broke by the sounds of it, living out in the boonies in the forest, and having a hard time with fraudsters stealing income from him etc. He is also bitter about some things sometimes - but he has a rite to, because so many of these fraudsters are making a living off his material while he struggles to survive.
But also, in a sense he's not really bitter at all, he has hope, if he didn't he wouldnt be doing what he is doing. It sounds quite gloom and doom sometimes, but you can't fix something without knowing first how bad it is and what needs to be fixed. We can't ignore the negative and hope it just goes away.
And I would also like to mention that even with counter-intelligence and the new age, and all these guys spinning the truths, and all these guys like Alex Jones, Tsarion, Icke, etc. they can be a double edged sword and do some good too. Because perhaps it still gets some to at least start to ask questions. The thing is it's up to those people to not follow the pied pipers just because they told them about it first and got them thinking. The people must then take it upon themselves to find the answers and solutions, not expect and wait for these gurus and leaders to tell us what to do.
And alike you, I also disagree with the idea of this type of documentary film. I am no fan of Chris White. There's a difference between some of the legitimate expose' of sitchin out there and the junk Chris White puts out. It mixes eveyrthing up, because there are some truths, but obviously completely misguided by religion, but then Maxwell also has some truths, but then spins it and discredits it as well. So this does exactly what you said gets people in pointless battles. Saying this person is correct vs that person is correct. And that is useless because it never is like that, the answer is always grey, not back and white.
milk and honey
12-03-2008, 06:43 AM
Fine sentiments there Dadrious. If only the world were just like you hope.
Unfortunately there are wolves in sheeps clothing among the 'truthseekers'. Exposing their follies and even their motive when it is clear (sometimes it is clear) is not "attacking" them. It is defending yourself and others from their attacks. Free speech allows all- comers to the podium and that's ok.
Chris White is definately not an agent IMO. In part he is misguided but he is not attacking Maxwell by calling him out publically. It's just a public version of what - necessarilly at times - we do here behind forum handles.
All of those people you listed are emphasising how everything is linked behind the scenes and they all encourage us to see those links and to research them for ourselves. Good. Then it is just as legitimate for us to ask ourselves how they are linked into that picture. They should welcome that scrutiny from 'free thinkers' which, ostensibly, they encourage us to be.
Are some or all of them agents of the powers they rail against? Listen to pro and con (oops) and decide what is true for yourself. The type of semi - public discussion that we're having here is not a waste of our precious time. It's essential IMO.
Fine sentiments there Dadrious. If only the world were just like you hope.
Unfortunately there are wolves in sheeps clothing among the 'truthseekers'. Exposing their follies and even their motive when it is clear (sometimes it is clear) is not "attacking" them. It is defending yourself and others from their attacks. Free speech allows all- comers to the podium and that's ok.
Chris White is definately not an agent IMO. In part he is misguided but he is not attacking Maxwell by calling him out publically. It's just a public version of what - necessarilly at times - we do here behind forum handles.
All of those people you listed are emphasising how everything is linked behind the scenes and they all encourage us to see those links and to research them for ourselves. Good. Then it is just as legitimate for us to ask ourselves how they are linked into that picture. They should welcome that scrutiny from 'free thinkers' which, ostensibly, they encourage us to be.
Are some or all of them agents of the powers they rail against? Listen to pro and con (oops) and decide what is true for yourself. The type of semi - public discussion that we're having here is not a waste of our precious time. It's essential IMO.
:thumb_yello:
GoingToFast
12-03-2008, 02:51 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hp0DAwy0-xM
Magamud
12-03-2008, 03:01 PM
Parallel govt that is rulling us like sheep is the biggest issue of our time! Hands down. Knowing how they accomplished this and how they are working is the best information. ALan Watt is the clearest channel for me now. He helps me prioritize things to do and grounds me.
My take is if these whistleblowers are not talking about the Parallel govt and how they are poisoning us through fluoride/GMO's/codex alimentarius/vaccines/chemtrails/medicine/taking our rights away/counter intelligence/mind control/total technocratic dictatorship/abyss of hell!! Then they are full of it.
Solutions? That is the big million dollar question eh? We are so f r i c k e n behind in catching these guys its ridiculous. So solutions are at the basic level. Grow your own food, get clean water, provide your own medicine, store this information and pass it on to the next generation. We are in the Dark Age folks that makes any other time look like a picnic. My hope is to try not to get incarcerated, die without suffering in old age and record and pass this information to the next generation.
We are catching this Snow Ball of death when it has to much power. If you stand in front of it? Remember the kid in Bejing China in front of the tank. We can only steer its orbit right now and plant seeds of Freedom for the future.
Sir-Chi
12-03-2008, 04:05 PM
jajajajaja .... debunking Maxwell now .... silly Muggles. After all these years...... hahahaha
I actaully met Jordan some 10 yrs ago now .... wow what an amazing person.
MY GRANDMOM ALWAYS TOLD ME ..... UNTIL YOU WALK IN SOMEONES SHOEs YOU CAN NEVER JUDGE THEM.
Jordan for sure is the Symbolism GodFather .....
I know i know .... TRUTH HURTS!!
Well folks .... what are all the bickering minded people going to do as the AKASHIC RECORDS become obtainable to all very SHORTLY....
BYE BYE SEPERTISM!!!:lightsabre:
BeaTnik-BandiT
12-03-2008, 04:13 PM
I wrote something longer...but then I realized it's pointless and almost shameful. So I started laughing about it...at the end of the day it's all looking pretty pointless. Might as well find some amusement in it? If you really look into these researchers and their kind...you may find...
Michael Tsarion is a raging heathen.
Chris White is a disgruntled altar boy
Alan Watt is bitter and broke.
David Icke is too high to notice.
Eric John Phelps is a zionist agent.
Jordan Maxwell decided to throw in with the big boys down at the lodge.
Alex Jones is a CIA agent.
Bill Deagle is just a fear mongering lunatic.
...is it true about them? Is it worse? Maybe? So why not be your own researcher...and why not acknowledge these people as humans like us? A human will never, ever know the whole truth. It is not possible. Mistakes will be made ... a little "fact" may be missed during research which could bring up a whole new theory to ponder. Somebody else may find that missed fact, and thus we have two conflicting theories. Must there be a battle over it? Maybe all these above mentioned fellows and many others are honest truth seekers?
I don't know, the only thing I know is that I do not wish to continue being guilty of such pointless battling. It may send me down a road where one day I would take precious time out of my short life here to make a "documentary film", simply to attack a man. A man who may in truth turn out to have been an honest truth seeker simply trying to make sense of this god forsaken mess of a world we live in.
Best Wishes.
:thumb_yello: :thumb_yello: :thumb_yello: :thumb_yello: :thumb_yello:
We can only steer its orbit right now and plant seeds of Freedom for the future.
Good message.
But Please, ...............don't talk me again about SssssEEEEEEDS ! :lmao:
Be careful with the word 'FREEDOM',.....it has been corrupted by 'DUBYA'.
salute.
feeler
12-03-2008, 05:06 PM
No offence at all meant to you feeler, but I think this is more new age junk. I mean, I could get into it specifically, but just think how ridiculous that is. None of this type of information is going to help anyone do anything to stop the new world order. It's completely false information and when you get people believing this type of stuff they are completely useless to relize and fight what is really happening cause they ar too busy worried about aliens and their imagination. Of course what is really happening is pretty insane and amazing and terrible too, but these lies put out in many conspiracy theories are 100% complete science fiction and discredit by assoiciation the truths that get mixed into conspiracy theories. Conspiracy is a huge business. Conspiracy theories are set up and funded by the PTB. All oppositions are controlled. You think they are dumb enough to let us wake up with such ease? It goes much deeper than most think. The CIA is heavily involved in conjuring up consipiracies and perputating them to the public. Conspiracy theory is basically just a new genre of science fiction and predictive programming. People want to believe the fantastic, so they are given it.
Doom
I agree with what you've written in general terms above. Most people I know (here in America) can care less about the new world order, aliens, or conspiracy theories. Times and again I tried to "sell" some conspiracy theory to my friends, asking them to look at the photos of the pulverized Ground Zero and footage of the implosion of WTC 7; typically my friends either just walked away or felt puzzled initially but wouldn't give it a second thought ever again.
Maybe my friends think I am a government agent or a left gate keeper or something, assigned to control the opposition...:shocked:
-feeler
milk and honey
12-03-2008, 06:36 PM
According to Nassim Haramein, we are living in grace; a comet twice the size of Jupiter would have knocked the earth out of its orbit, had it not received intervention.
On the other hand, according to William Bramley in his book 'The Gods of Eden,' ETs provoked wars and spread the black plague throughout our history.
I am on the fence with this one.
-feeler
I wouldn't know about either of those things but i believe that in the deep past, Earth has been visited by neg aliens. I believe they've never been here to help. But i don't absolve the terrestrial power elite of their own bad behavior so i agree with 'Doom' that that is where we should be directing our grievances if we're serious about changing the world. Without confronting the darkness, positive thinking alone will not change the world. And neither will spirituality alone.
Those who are now punching the air in victory saying " the power elite are toast ... the game's up ... bring on the collapse... Up we go in 2012" are deluded if they think it is so merely because they - or worse, alien saviors - say it is so. Our own hands and voices are the handmaidens of our minds. If we don't act WE are toast. But physical action is only half of our power.
There are individuals on this planet, past and present, who have mastered the full potential of the human spirit. These are spiritual adepts who the average man would consider to be gods due to their extra-ordinary powers. Some of these adepts have incarnated throughout the ages as mankind's spiritual teachers including Jesus and Guatama.
Alan Watt, Maxwell, Icke and others, while they say the power is within us to awaken and change the world, seem to limit the origin and extent of that power to which we can awaken. That limitation in their message extends to the outright denial of those individuals who have attained self-mastery and left a spiritual message as their legacy to humanity.
Just because their legacy was stolen by the spoilers and used as an outer mask to control us through institutionalised religion it does not therefore invalidate the adepts and their spiritual teachings. The roman state hijacked the early christian teachings and it's founder and instead created an idol to worship rather than a brother to emulate. This was never Jesus' intent.
You won't find a greater revolutionary confronting the PTB than Jesus and that is what got him killed. The reason i say that is that although history records others giving their all against the abuses of PTB they've done so in a dualistic mindset. Jesus is a rare example of someone who attained the full potential of the spirit within him yet, when he awakened to it, he didn't stay home meditating. He went outside and taught others how he did it and he confronted the religious authorities who were preventing that same awakening in the people.
Jesus told the religious PTB straight to their faces :
"Woe to ye lawyers
Ye have taken away the key of (self) knowledge
Ye would not enter in yourselves (into the inner "kingdom" of spirit)
and those who would (enter in) ye hindered."
Seeing the control freakery of the religious authorities, Jesus taught the people that they didn't need the priesthood and their perverse brand of religion as a mediator between themselves and their own spirit.
He said:
"... Neither shall they say, Lo here!, or, Lo there! (in deference to external religion) for behold; The kingdom of God (your spiritual consciousness) is within you."
The reason he taught this is because without each of us realising the potential of our own inner-spirit (which is universally within everyone and everything) we will never be empowered to defeat the dualistic forces arrayed against us. In the mundane human consciousness we are impotent and controllable. In union with spirit we are invulnerable. But ONLY if we ACT in that level of consciousness not in the outer mind of human hatred and inharmony which only perpetuates more of the same.
That is the message of the spiritual adepts who've walked among us. The so called "truth seekers" who deny them and their message are, in their misunderstanding, cutting off their own nose to spite their face. They deny the inner source of their hoped for victory and those who've already attained it. Either that or they are agents of the PTB who are trying to cut us off from our true 'generals in the field'.
Feeler, At post #3 i talked about 'ETs' and the definition of same in the following thread...
Here: http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?p=88710&t=8259
I've no doubt 'Doom' will consider it "new age gobbledegook" but as i see it he (and Chris White) fails to separate the wheat from the chaff in modern spiritual teachings by labelling everything of the like in the perjorative "new age".
GoingToFast
12-03-2008, 07:12 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=syVyb4ebns0&feature=related
GoingToFast
12-03-2008, 07:45 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMijKEIZOIQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tItGDkFTPiw&feature=related
I've no doubt 'Doom' will consider it "new age gobbledegook" but as i see it he (and Chris White) fails to separate the wheat from the chaff in modern spiritual teachings by labelling everything of the like in the perjorative "new age".
I am nothing like Chris White imo, he is a christian, and attacks what he perceives to be things that attack christianity. I have no religious ties, and no bias to narrow my world view, though I have mentioned before I believe in human spirit. And as I've stated before as well, I know many of the meanings and messages in the new testament are absolutely universal truths, such as 'The kingdom of God is within you.' But there is a difference between true spirituality and the new age, and it is well documented. Spirituality has often been used throughout history to capture people's attention and then they add the bizzare to lead the people off to la la land.
Also I am pretty much in agreement with most comments in your last post, except some stuff about 'Jesus'(i have the same morals and understanding as you about what 'jesus' taught, but I don't actually believe he existed), and one other particular statement i don't agree with 'Earth has been visited by neg aliens'. Even if it was possible, that still doesn't make it so, because there is not enough evidence other than possibilty think - which is a new age technique to get people to think that way ie 'if it is possible it must be true'
BTW, check out these articles Alan posted the other day from big think tanks (Club of Budapest is the same thing as Club of Rome) about how spirituality is going to be used to get people to further the green agenda, http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/showpost.php?p=90271&postcount=50
GoingToFast
12-03-2008, 08:27 PM
This is old-school but a classic "must-see-docu"
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6113175402315678182&ei=0-k2SZ3tK5-QiQL-_MitCQ&q=ancient+astronauts
Hey GTF, in response to all your posts of video links - none of them prove anything imo, I've seen every one before and done all the research on all that type of material for many years past. Just because information is out there does not make it correct, if you would at least take the time to research counter-intelligence and the new age a bit I think you'd see that a lot of the stuff your posting is a con, and much has been ligitimately exposed such as Sitchin. We can't ever truly wake up and stop the new world order if we keep getting spun by these fairy tails and fake conspiracy theories.
GoingToFast
12-03-2008, 08:56 PM
Hey GTF, in response to all your posts of video links - none of them prove anything imo, I've seen every one before and done all the research on all that type of material for many years past. Just because information is out there does not make it correct, if you would at least take the time to research counter-intelligence and the new age a bit I think you'd see that a lot of the stuff your posting is a con, and much has been ligitimately exposed such as Sitchin. We can't ever truly wake up and stop the new world order if we keep getting spun by these fairy tails and fake conspiracy theories.
Hey man, I'm not posting for you, I'm posting for anyone else who is INTELLIGENT so they can make up there OWN MIND'S.
Hey man, I'm not posting for you, I'm posting for anyone else who is INTELLIGENT so they can make up there OWN MIND'S.
That's fine, same with me - I'm allowed to respond to your posts with my opinions am I not?
And I agree with you - hopefully this thread provides people the opportunity and motivation to look into all sides of the story before jumping to conclusions and being spun off by some very captivating fantasy, and then do just what you said(make up there own minds).
GoingToFast
12-03-2008, 09:22 PM
That's fine, same with me - I'm allowed to respond to your posts with my opinions am I not?
And I agree with you - hopefully this thread provides people the opportunity and motivation to look into all sides of the story before jumping to conclusions and being spun off by some very captivating fantasy, and then do just what you said(make up there own minds).
EXACTLY MY POINT. Let everybody make up there own mind
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2570683957232817562&ei=H_c2SYiPOJHYiAKZz_GsCQ&q=ancient+astronaut
GoingToFast
12-03-2008, 09:32 PM
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1788605386056608645&ei=sfk2ScSEEIPGiALq8by0Cw&q=secharaia+sitchin
feeler
12-03-2008, 09:58 PM
Spirituality has often been used throughout history to capture people's attention and then they add the bizzare to lead the people off to la la land.
Also I am pretty much in agreement with most comments in your last post, except some stuff about 'Jesus'(i have the same morals and understanding as you about what 'jesus' taught, but I don't actually believe he existed), and one other particular statement i don't agree with 'Earth has been visited by neg aliens'. Even if it was possible, that still doesn't make it so, because there is not enough evidence other than possibilty think - which is a new age technique to get people to think that way ie 'if it is possible it must be true'
Doom
I'm not off any time soon to join any cult either. The new age movement in principle is a better understanding of the old age. But with the shills and profiteers around (as in the case of the 9/11 movement) it gets complicated.
As far as the existence of Jesus or neg aliens, it's a matter of eliminating the impossible, exploring/validating the remote viewing capabilities of those who possess it, and recognizing the alien technology around us (e.g. pulverization of the twin towers).
-feeler
Doom
I'm not off any time soon to join any cult either. The new age movement in principle is a better understanding of the old age. But with the shills and profiteers around (as in the case of the 9/11 movement) it gets complicated.
As far as the existence of Jesus or neg aliens, it's a matter of eliminating the impossible, exploring/validating the remote viewing capabilities of those who possess it, and recognizing the alien technology around us (e.g. pulverization of the twin towers).
-feeler
Well just be careful, because the new age is exactly that, a cult. And in fact it is in a way worse than old religions, even though old religions are tools of the elite as well, the new age is their upgraded religion creation specifically desgined to destroy all old religions and to give to the public as the new world religion to better control them. And that is one of the new age's appealing factors - putting out some of the truths about how old religions are no good and used to control etc. But that's just to get you onboard, because attatched as well comes all the new age beliefs that disable your mind.
And there is no alien technology around us. That is one of the main reasons why the PTB created the alien conspiracies and perpetuate them, it is a perfect cover for high technology we build here, with no help from aliens. Higher technology than the public know about has always been held secret by the ruling elite throughout history. There's no need for aliens to explain it. What the public see on the shelves is always obsolete. And aliens are the perfect cover story, cause you'll never find one to complain to or be able to do anything about it if it is aliens. This all goes back to the counter-intelligence techniques I've frequently talked about throughout this thread and any others I have posted on at this forum.
feeler
12-03-2008, 10:39 PM
Well just be careful, because the new age is exactly that, a cult. And in fact it is in a way worse than old religions, even though old religions are tools of the elite as well, the new age is their upgraded religion creation specifically desgined to destroy all old religions and to give to the public as the new world religion to better control them.
And there is no alien technology around us. That is one of the main reasons why the PTB created the alien conspiracies and perpetuate them, it is a perfect cover for high technology we build here, with no help from aliens. Higher technology than the public know about has always been held secret by the ruling elite throughout history. There's no need for aliens to explain it. What the public see on the shelves is always obsolete. And aliens are the perfect cover story, cause you'll never find one to complain to or be able to do anything about it if it is aliens. This all goes back to the counter-intelligence techniques I've frequently talked about throughout this thread and any others I have posted on at this forum.
Doom
The new age is not THAT organized as a religion to replace/destroy the old religions. Is it?
No alien technology? Do you believe those people who called in at the same time to report a craft? Do you believe all the UFOs are man-made? Do you believe all the crop circles are man-made?
-feeler
The new age is not THAT organized as a religion to replace/destroy the old religions. Is it?
Yes it is. It is well disguised as not being organized, but you'll find that all roads lead to rome.
No alien technology?
Correct.
Do you believe those people who called in at the same time to report a craft?
Sure, I'm sure some people are liars, but some also i'm sure really see things and report them, but it doesn't mean they are alien.
Do you believe all the UFOs are man-made? Yes. The BBC even did a documentary in the 70's showing some of these UFO saucers flying in and out of military hangers. You'll find that although very well disguised and mixed in with all the junk, that most truths are published by the PTB, in books by big players, from big foundations and institutions. They publish their plans and how they do everything if you know where to look. It is almost a legalistic thing to tell the victims so they can say 'it's not like we didn't tell you.'
Do you believe all the crop circles are man-made?
They certainly weren't made by aliens! I know there are some crop circles that defy the logic of being simply faked by people with boards and what not, but there are a fair amount of other possibilties, such as high technology used to fool us and perpetuate alien conspiracies, and there are actually some fairly interesting lectures avaiable on google/youtube of some scientific theories explaing them as well (not that I am a supporter of their findings). But aliens are the least likely. That's classic counter-intelligence technique at work again - by writing off anything that is extraordinary and unexplainable as alien.
:original:
feeler
12-03-2008, 11:56 PM
They certainly weren't made by aliens! I know there are some crop circles that defy the logic of being simply faked by people with boards and what not, but there are a fair amount of other possibilties, such as high technology used to fool us and perpetuate alien conspiracies, and there are actually some fairly interesting lectures avaiable on google/youtube of some scientific theories explaing them as well (not that I am a supporter of their findings). But aliens are the least likely. That's classic counter-intelligence technique at work again - by writing off anything that is extraordinary and unexplainable as alien.
:original:
Doom
Was high technology too utilized to build the Egyptian pyramids? If not, how?
Are our pineal glands merely products of Darwin's evolution?
Where is the missing link between humans and apes?
-feeler
Doom
Was high technology too utilized to build the Egyptian pyramids? If not, how?
Are our pineal glands merely products of Darwin's evolution?
Where is the missing link between humans and apes?
-feeler
Darwin is a major major player in the elite's agenda, and the new age agenda, so no, i do not believe in darwinism. Contrary to popular belief, the evidence just isn't there. There doesn't need to be a missing link between humans and apes since darwin's theories(even though they weren't actually his theories) are false, and really just a modyfied modern form of ancient hinduism.
The building of the pyramids has been well documented and explained, there is no mystery. The mainstream media created the conspiracy and hype about there being a mystery, but you can easily find many many studies with all the evidence to show exactly how humans built the pyramids without high technology. The mass graveyards of thousands of workers who built the pyramid found around the pyramids for example is just some of the strong evidence.
I love Alan Watt's poetry, I have to post at least a few that fit this discussion:
The Pentagon Churns Out Sage after Sage
Who Foresee All Disasters in this, the New Age,
Those Who Follow the Agenda, Some Truly Can,
Know Each Step to Come, They Study The Plan,
Novus Ordo Seclorum Must Succeed by Deception,
No Room for Errors, On Track, No Correction,
History Tells Without Any Doubt,
Military is Turned On the Rabble in Rout,
Always Disguised as 'For Your Protection,'
Their Function is Death in Any Dimension,
Yet Perception Distorted Alters Belief,
Wolves in Sheep's Clothing, Camouflaged Teeth
Citizenry Psy-Ops Operation,
People in Tizzy of Dis-information,
Truth of Which They Ne'er Possess,
Conflicting Data They Can't Process,
Fact and Fantasy, All Bound Together,
'Re' the Belief, 'Ligion' the Fetter,
Round in Circles, All Amazed,
Under Mind Control, They Must Be Dazed,
Psychological Warfare to have Success,
The Victims' Minds They Must Possess,
Until They Find They're All Alone,
Truth is Knockin' but No-one's Home
With Scary Hype, We Can Arrange,
All Your Attention on Climate Change,
With Phony Data and Lots of Excerpts,
Repeated Daily by Well-Paid Experts,
For Gaia's Will, There Must Be Sacrifice,
To Complete the Occultic Enterprise.
And For the New-Agers Out There, Whose Ears are Itchin',
Keep Following the Fantasy Web Spun by Z. Sitchin
BeaTnik-BandiT
12-04-2008, 04:26 AM
I love Alan Watt's poetry, I have to post at least a few that fit this discussion:
The Pentagon Churns Out Sage after Sage
Who Foresee All Disasters in this, the New Age,
Those Who Follow the Agenda, Some Truly Can,
Know Each Step to Come, They Study The Plan,
Novus Ordo Seclorum Must Succeed by Deception,
No Room for Errors, On Track, No Correction,
History Tells Without Any Doubt,
Military is Turned On the Rabble in Rout,
Always Disguised as 'For Your Protection,'
Their Function is Death in Any Dimension,
Yet Perception Distorted Alters Belief,
Wolves in Sheep's Clothing, Camouflaged Teeth
Citizenry Psy-Ops Operation,
People in Tizzy of Dis-information,
Truth of Which They Ne'er Possess,
Conflicting Data They Can't Process,
Fact and Fantasy, All Bound Together,
'Re' the Belief, 'Ligion' the Fetter,
Round in Circles, All Amazed,
Under Mind Control, They Must Be Dazed,
Psychological Warfare to have Success,
The Victims' Minds They Must Possess,
Until They Find They're All Alone,
Truth is Knockin' but No-one's Home
With Scary Hype, We Can Arrange,
All Your Attention on Climate Change,
With Phony Data and Lots of Excerpts,
Repeated Daily by Well-Paid Experts,
For Gaia's Will, There Must Be Sacrifice,
To Complete the Occultic Enterprise.
And For the New-Agers Out There, Whose Ears are Itchin',
Keep Following the Fantasy Web Spun by Z. Sitchin
Well, that could be better,:sleep_1::sleep_1::sleep_1:
Though i like the last one with Itchin' and Sitchin.....
--------------
Doom, GoingToFast was right:
You DO really believe in a 'BEARDED GOD'....
--- His name is: ..................Alan Watt. ---
http://www.fetch123.com/artwork/Alan-Watt.jpg
doesn't it ? Hehe, just kidding :winksmiley02: :lol3::mfr_lol:
salute.
feeler
12-04-2008, 05:37 AM
Darwin is a major major player in the elite's agenda, and the new age agenda, so no, i do not believe in darwinism. Contrary to popular belief, the evidence just isn't there. There doesn't need to be a missing link between humans and apes since darwin's theories(even though they weren't actually his theories) are false, and really just a modyfied modern form of ancient hinduism.
The building of the pyramids has been well documented and explained, there is no mystery. The mainstream media created the conspiracy and hype about there being a mystery, but you can easily find many many studies with all the evidence to show exactly how humans built the pyramids without high technology. The mass graveyards of thousands of workers who built the pyramid found around the pyramids for example is just some of the strong evidence.
Doom
If humans did not evolve from apes, where did humans evolve from? Adam and Eve? The missing link is there. Where is it?
Did you research on the bodies of the workers? Did you locate evidence of work related injury or death? Evidence indicative of falling from high places, broken bones, compressed spinal cords, etc? Or their tools?
My second question is still unanswered: Are our pineal glands merely products of Darwin's evolution?
If not from Darwin's evolution, where did humans get their pineal glands from?
-feeler
Doom
If humans did not evolve from apes, where did humans evolve from? Adam and Eve? The missing link is there. Where is it?
Did you research on the bodies of the workers? Did you locate evidence of work related injury or death? Evidence indicative of falling from high places, broken bones, compressed spinal cords, etc? Or their tools?
My second question is still unanswered: Are our pineal glands merely products of Darwin's evolution?
If not from Darwin's evolution, where did humans get their pineal glands from?
-feeler
Why did humans have to evolve from another animal? There is no missing link, it is a complete farce, and so is the christian creationist stories too which are all exoteric misunderstandings of whose real meanings are esoteric. You see, I'm not on either side of the basic 'evolution vs creationism' arguement. The answer often not black and white.
Listen, I'm not going to do all the research and thinking for you and present it all here. This is obviously a vast subject. I am just trying to motivate people to do research themselves, and offer some of my opinons. But yes I have done extensive research on the pyramids, and the all the evidence is there for how they were built, there is no mystery, check out the library there are plenty of legit independent studies of the pyramids' building.
And I think you're misunderstood about the pineal gland, and seeing the exoteric meaning but not the esoteric.
Here, check this out:
"
The ancients wrote about the mind. The Third Eye is very simple, as the exoteric people delve into what they think are mysteries, looking for pineal glands and other methods of stimulating the pineal gland and opening up a pathway—and knowledge will just flood into them. You earn knowledge by examining yourself, because all knowledge ultimately must be within. It's a sad state when we can look around us and see that in many, many people all they have is extraneous knowledge given to them, often misunderstood, misquoted, going from the simplistic to the bizarre.
The mind is the Third Eye, because all perceptions ultimately must be deciphered by the mind of the person. That is why a trick of rulers in all ages and priesthoods, who taught this to pharaohs, was that they could alter the perceptions of slaves and vast conquered peoples by getting between the mind of the person and the perceptions. Therefore, their conclusions would be faulty, purposely made so. This was done through early indoctrination into superstitions. When the mind tried to formulate conclusions, the indoctrination would kick in and they'd compare the new experiences to these indoctrinations and come to faulty conclusions, which kept them enslaved and obedient.
The serpent is an allegory for wisdom. Wisdom for what?
The Egyptians wore the Uraeus, the cobra on a head band. The cobra sat on the forehead, the Third Eye. The idea being (and that is also a pun)—between the eyes and the idea. The idea being that you have to guard your mind, being the one who was wise and born into a wise family or class—an educated family or class, you would have wisdom.
I've gone into the fact that, primarily, these high families were psychopathic in origin and interbred, and therefore kept the knowledge to themselves, because psychopaths must always try and gain power, total power over everyone else. That's our dilemma in this world. The serpent strikes. When it strikes, ancient people used to wonder why it would it let so many people pass a particular route or road or track, and only strike the occasional person here or there? In other words, when anyone got too near to it—too near is the key—it would strike and defend itself. The idea being that they used serpent or the cobra, which had this lightening strike, to strike something that didn't want to come near it. They used that around the head band as a symbol that they would strike anything which tried to enter (or unauthorized) into their mind. It guarded the mind. The people around did not have the right to wear the Uraeus because they were the ruled. In fact, it was mandatory that they be open for all indoctrination, all erroneous teachings, superstition and so on. - Alan Watt
"
Well, that could be better,:sleep_1::sleep_1::sleep_1:
Though i like the last one with Itchin' and Sitchin.....
-- ------------
Doom, GoingToFast was right:
You DO really believe in a 'BEARDED GOD'....
--- His name is: ..................Alan Watt. ---
http://www.fetch123.com/artwork/Alan-Watt.jpg
doesn't it ? Hehe, just kidding :winksmiley02: :lol3::mfr_lol:
salute.
Hhaha. :tongue2: Alas, Alan is no god. Nor do I 'believe' in him. But I do credit him for motivating me to really get to the sources of information and research for myself rather than take other researchers word for it.
feeler
12-04-2008, 06:55 AM
Why did humans have to evolve from another animal? There is no missing link, it is a complete farce, and so is the christian creationist stories too which are all exoteric misunderstandings of whose real meanings are esoteric. You see, I'm not on either side of the basic 'evolution vs creationism' arguement. The answer often not black and white.
Listen, I'm not going to do all the research and thinking for you and present it all here. This is obviously a vast subject. I am just trying to motivate people to do research themselves, and offer some of my opinons. But yes I have done extensive research on the pyramids, and the all the evidence is there for how they were built, there is no mystery, check out the library there are plenty of legit independent studies of the pyramids' building.
And I think you're misunderstood about the pineal gland, and seeing the exoteric meaning but not the esoteric.
Doom
I agree; humans do not have to evolve from another animal. However, are you saying that humans did not undergo the process of evolution and that humans just appeared on the scene after the dinosaurs?
When time permits, please articulate on how the pyramids were built and the injuries and deaths the locals have suffered in building the pyramids.
Thank you for explaining the esoteric meaning of the pineal gland. Does it exist? If so, what function does it serve?
-feeler
Doom
I agree; humans do not have to evolve from another animal. However, are you saying that humans did not undergo the process of evolution and that humans just appeared on the scene after the dinosaurs?
When time permits, please articulate on how the pyramids were built and the injuries and deaths the locals have suffered in building the pyramids.
Thank you for explaining the esoteric meaning of the pineal gland. Does it exist? If so, what function does it serve?
-feeler
-feeler
I trust you'll be able to find some information on the pyramids. And you don't really need to go much further than that with the pineal gland, we need to focus on stopping the new world order and the things that are happening to us right now in realy, they are depopulating us as we speak by controlling and manipulating the food, water and air, and weather. This is a nightmare we live in right now we have to relize that to even begin to fix it. And not worry about our 'pineal gland', or 'defeating the evil in our ego', and 'seeing beyond 5 sense reality' and even finding out the origin of man because at the moment we have to accept that it cannot be known for certain. So many of these new age type thought patterns that make ourselves our own enemy. Though, it is our fault in a way for letting this happen to us, but we can't keep blaming ourself, we have to forgive ourselves and not let this happen anymore. We are a long ways from serious solutions and changes right now, because we are so far behind. We need to be worried about surviving as a species and keeping this information alive for the next generation, we need to make sure there is a next generation. This is something bigger than each one of us, this is for everyone who has ever lived and everyone who deserves a chance to live in the future.
As for humans apppearing after dinosaurs. I don't know. I don't have all the answers on the origns of man. I have my suspicions and many opinions, but I don't think we truly can know for sure. The sciences used to tell us we do know are not sound. Science is a very effective tool, because it can be used so deceptively to convince the public no other thing could be possible, especially with the use of statistics, when in fact scientific theories change by the minute. I don't deny it is possible for species to change over time, obviously many speices are very adaptable, especially humans. But a simple truth like that can easily be twisted and used and attached to conditions and ideas that aren't necessarily true and used by the ruling elite to control the public. With evolution we have the survival fo the fittest, darwinism, eugenics essentially, as well coming with it often is atheism and essentially the belief that we are worthless and nothing special. And to go deeper they have the spiritual atheists who make it out to be an amazingly beautiful thing that we are worthless, it is such an honor to be so lucky that science just happened to result this way so that we have lives like we do. All information is managed for purposes you see.
milk and honey
12-04-2008, 10:33 AM
I am nothing like Chris White imo, he is a christian, and attacks what he perceives to be things that attack christianity. I have no religious ties, and no bias to narrow my world view, though I have mentioned before I believe in human spirit. And as I've stated before as well, I know many of the meanings and messages in the new testament are absolutely universal truths, such as 'The kingdom of God is within you.' But there is a difference between true spirituality and the new age, and it is well documented. Spirituality has often been used throughout history to capture people's attention and then they add the bizzare to lead the people off to la la land.
Everyone has "bias to narrow their world view". You do and so do I. The trick is to recognise that none of us are free of it and to try to uncover our own bias-- not just the bias of others. That's how we rise above the dualistic mindset of the ego and come to the truth.
As Jesus said:
..."thou hypocrite, cast out first the beam from thine own eye (your own bias based on the blindness of your own ego)
and then shalt thou see clearly to remove the splinter that is in thy brother's eye" (another's bias based on the blindness of their ego)
I am no fundamentalist christian but i sometimes quote Jesus to illustrate that although his life reflected earlier exoteric savior god myths , many incidents in his life and the majority of his teachings are unique and highly insightful which is indicative of a spiritually enlightened man. Jesus' teachings - if understood - were so far ahead of the PTB that they simply could not have invented him. The best they could do was hijack his identity and teachings to distort and use as a mask for their own purposes.
This is the same thing the PTB are doing to progressive revelation in this age. The best they can do with it today is the same thing they did with Jesus and his true Christ-ian teachings in the piscean age -- Hijack it, give it a twist and use it to their own ends.
New spiritual teachings have been released in this age (the aquarian age) and consequently a feverish attempt is being made to distort and misrepresent it. The PTB hide the biggest lie between two truths. That modus operandi is the recurring theme of the controllers of humanity throughout history. They rarely ever overtly oppose by revealing themselves as they really are, instead presenting themselves in church and state as the 'saviors' of humanity by virtue of their self appointed mediatorship and presumed 'superior intelligence'. Remember that Jesus came to shatter that illusion by revealing the inner source of our spiritual identity and personal authority. The same spoilers of freedom have now morphed into the puppet masters of (external) "alien" saviors for the "benefit" of those who are tired of their distorted mis-representation of Jesus as an idol to worship.
And who are the high priests mediating for us now with our alien gods? Why, the 'whistleblowers' of course and the intelligence agencies of the world. Does that give anyone comfort? The same deception is being played out behind a slightly different mask, that's all. Christians can't see the twist imposed upon them and neither can those hopeful of an alien solution because a similar blindness afflicts both.... a desire to abrogate personal responsibility.
In order to capture the minds of those of us who have seen through their idol, the PTB have finished with their version of Jesus and want him out of the way. For those who are still worshipping that idol - of Jesus as an external savior figure - and who still haven't finished with it the PTB continue to ply their wares to keep people distracted, blinkered, afraid and expectant of a future savior rather than a personal solution inspired now from within. There's something for everyone in all this.... "Hurry hurry... step right up... ready yourselves... external saviors coming... coming soon!"
Also I am pretty much in agreement with most comments in your last post, except some stuff about 'Jesus'(i have the same morals and understanding as you about what 'jesus' taught, but I don't actually believe he existed), and one other particular statement i don't agree with 'Earth has been visited by neg aliens'. Even if it was possible, that still doesn't make it so, because there is not enough evidence other than possibilty think - which is a new age technique to get people to think that way ie 'if it is possible it must be true'
I can only say that ancient visitations to Earth by alien negs is a belief of mine.
My own experience tells me that very dark astral beings exist and it is my suspicion that some of these have come from somewhere else in the cosmos. If aliens in UFOs exist on Earth's physical plane they are negs and they live underground.
In any case i don't attribute our high technology to aliens. And I agree that the PTB are way ahead of the technology in popular use today. They incentivise the brightest minds on Earth to serve them, then classify and hoard the product of their efforts.
But also I have good reason to believe that our civilisation has not progressively risen constantly over time. Civilisation - which can be measured by the spirituality of the people (expressed in all societal systems) and by the control and peaceful use of technolgy - is something that waxes and wanes over the ages. Humanity has been through several high tech civilisations in the past yet they've always reached a spiritual and technological pinnacle which was not maintained because the people could not sustain their spiritual attainment. There is a relationship between the spirituality of the people and their technological attainments. Corrupt the heart and soul of society and you eventually destroy all of it's attainments. If the people of Earth fail to transcend the mass consciousness today then our civilisation will go the way of Atlantis and be destroyed in eventual cataclysmic destruction. History repeats this cycle over and over.
In the 1880s a book was written by a californian teenager titled "A dweller on Two Planets" (copyright 1894 - it's searchable free online). Under the direction of a spiritual adept named Phylos, Frederick Oliver described the societal systems of Atlantis and the technologies which they used. These included anti-gravity arial and submarine craft; wireless telephony, television and radio, high speed mono-rail, air conditioning, water generating machines and various other technologies all powered by free energy devices.
Phylos predicted that these and other inventions would be rediscovered in the 20th century by re-incarnating Atlanteans. He specifically predicted that the principles of anti-gravity arial flight (he outlined the design of the arial ships which the Atlanteans called the "vailix") would be rediscovered and the ships re-invented relatively early in the 20th century.
The book was dictated to Oliver at a time when a taxi was a Wells Fargo horse and carriage. If the technology of Atlantis and it's predicted re-invention sounds too incredible for the late 1800s, Phylos explained that souls re-incarnate through the ages and retain the soul memory of earlier knowledge and experiences. Some souls, he explained, would tap into that knowledge in their subsequent incarnations in the (then) coming decades of the 20th century.
Looking at Phylos' book from today's vantage point offers us one explanation for the arial craft that some ancient civilisations wrote about and drew pictorials of.
Doom, i suppose your easy answer to these revelations, given your current certainty of the way the world works, would be that the PTB had those technologies in the 1880s and that Phylos was just a mind control exercise foisted upon the boy who wrote "A Dweller on Two Planets" ... or even that the lad was a phantom front for their "new age" deception of the world. If i had no more than competing theories to cling to i would find Phylos' explanation for the questions we're talking about far more satisfying than the alternatives presented by professional "truth seekers" on that list from Dadrious. But I am certain the brotherhood of spiritual adepts are real and that they have assisted and facilitated our spiritual and technological advancement in this and prior ages. It is not merely a belief of mine.
But again, because there are incorporeal astral entities and high tech instruments of mind control at work in this world one must use discernment which originates from the spirit within in order to see things as they really are. Mental and soul attunement to spirit is the only way these questions can be clearly resolved. This is a constant challenge to everyone including those who do and do not believe (or know) that the adepts are real and work in our service to assist our spiritual growth and material feeedom.
Everyone has "bias to narrow their world view". You do and so do I. The trick is to recognise that none of us are free of it and to try to uncover our own bias-- not just the bias of others. That's how we rise above the dualistic mindset of the ego and come to the truth.
As Jesus said:
..."thou hypocrite, cast out first the beam from thine own eye (your own bias based on the blindness of your own ego)
and then shalt thou see clearly to remove the splinter that is in thy brother's eye" (another's bias based on the blindness of their ego)
I am no fundamentalist christian but i sometimes quote Jesus to illustrate that although his life reflected earlier exoteric savior god myths , many incidents in his life and the majority of his teachings are unique and highly insightful which is indicative of a spiritually enlightened man. Jesus' teachings - if understood - were so far ahead of the PTB that they simply could not have invented him. The best they could do was hijack his identity and teachings to distort and use as a mask for their own purposes.
This is the same thing the PTB are doing to progressive revelation in this age. The best they can do with it today is the same thing they did with Jesus and his true Christ-ian teachings in the piscean age -- Hijack it, give it a twist and use it to their own ends.
New spiritual teachings have been released in this age (the aquarian age) and consequently a feverish attempt is being made to distort and misrepresent it. The PTB hide the biggest lie between two truths. That modus operandi is the recurring theme of the controllers of humanity throughout history. They rarely ever overtly oppose by revealing themselves as they really are, instead presenting themselves in church and state as the 'saviors' of humanity by virtue of their self appointed mediatorship and presumed 'superior intelligence'. Remember that Jesus came to shatter that illusion by revealing the inner source of our spiritual identity and personal authority. The same spoilers of freedom have now morphed into the puppet masters of (external) "alien" saviors for the "benefit" of those who are tired of their distorted mis-representation of Jesus as an idol to worship.
And who are the high priests mediating for us now with our alien gods? Why, the 'whistleblowers' of course and the intelligence agencies of the world. Does that give anyone comfort? The same deception is being played out behind a slightly different mask, that's all. Christians can't see the twist imposed upon them and neither can those hopeful of an alien solution because a similar blindness afflicts both.... a desire to abrogate personal responsibility.
In order to capture the minds of those of us who have seen through their idol, the PTB have finished with their version of Jesus and want him out of the way. For those who are still worshipping that idol - of Jesus as an external savior figure - and who still haven't finished with it the PTB continue to ply their wares to keep people distracted, blinkered, afraid and expectant of a future savior rather than a personal solution inspired now from within. There's something for everyone in all this.... "Hurry hurry... step right up... ready yourselves... external saviors coming... coming soon!"
I can only say that ancient visitations to Earth by alien negs is a belief of mine.
My own experience tells me that very dark astral beings exist and it is my suspicion that some of these have come from somewhere else in the cosmos. If aliens in UFOs exist on Earth's physical plane they are negs and they live underground.
In any case i don't attribute our high technology to aliens. And I agree that the PTB are way ahead of the technology in popular use today. They incentivise the brightest minds on Earth to serve them, then classify and hoard the product of their efforts.
But also I have good reason to believe that our civilisation has not progressively risen constantly over time. Civilisation - which can be measured by the spirituality of the people (expressed in all societal systems) and by the control and peaceful use of technolgy - is something that waxes and wanes over the ages. Humanity has been through several high tech civilisations in the past yet they've always reached a spiritual and technological pinnacle which was not maintained because the people could not sustain their spiritual attainment. There is a relationship between the spirituality of the people and their technological attainments. Corrupt the heart and soul of society and you eventually destroy all of it's attainments. If the people of Earth fail to transcend the mass consciousness today then our civilisation will go the way of Atlantis and be destroyed in eventual cataclysmic destruction. History repeats this cycle over and over.
In the 1880s a book was written by a californian teenager titled "A dweller on Two Planets" (copyright 1894 - it's searchable free online). Under the direction of a spiritual adept named Phylos, Frederick Oliver described the societal systems of Atlantis and the technologies which they used. These included anti-gravity arial and submarine craft; wireless telephony, television and radio, high speed mono-rail, air conditioning, water generating machines and various other technologies all powered by free energy devices.
Phylos predicted that these and other inventions would be rediscovered in the 20th century by re-incarnating Atlanteans. He specifically predicted that the principles of anti-gravity arial flight (he outlined the design of the arial ships which the Atlanteans called the "vailix") would be rediscovered and the ships re-invented relatively early in the 20th century.
The book was dictated to Oliver at a time when a taxi was a Wells Fargo horse and carriage. If the technology of Atlantis and it's predicted re-invention sounds too incredible for the late 1800s, Phylos explained that souls re-incarnate through the ages and retain the soul memory of earlier knowledge and experiences. Some souls, he explained, would tap into that knowledge in their subsequent incarnations in the (then) coming decades of the 20th century.
Looking at Phylos' book from today's vantage point offers us one explanation for the arial craft that some ancient civilisations wrote about and drew pictorials of.
Doom, i suppose your easy answer to these revelations, given your current certainty of the way the world works, would be that the PTB had those technologies in the 1880s and that Phylos was just a mind control exercise foisted upon the boy who wrote "A Dweller on Two Planets" ... or even that the lad was a phantom front for their "new age" deception of the world. If i had no more than competing theories to cling to i would find Phylos' explanation for the questions we're talking about far more satisfying than the alternatives presented by professional "truth seekers" on that list from Dadrious. But I am certain the brotherhood of spiritual adepts are real and that they have assisted and facilitated our spiritual and technological advancement in this and prior ages. It is not merely a belief of mine.
But again, because there are incorporeal astral entities and high tech instruments of mind control at work in this world one must use discernment which originates from the spirit within in order to see things as they really are. Mental and soul attunement to spirit is the only way these questions can be clearly resolved. This is a constant challenge to everyone including those who do and do not believe (or know) that the adepts are real and work in our service to assist our spiritual growth and material feeedom.
you said:
"In the 1880s a book was written by a californian teenager titled "A dweller on Two Planets" (copyright 1894 - it's searchable free online). Under the direction of a spiritual adept named Phylos"
That line i bolded is a red flag right away that the information is not true. And your assumption as to what my answer would be to these 'revelations' is close, I mean, the elite have always had much higher technology than the public knows about, and also much more extensive archives of history that we are not privvy to. They could easily put out new age propoganda such as this at that time. That doesn't mean in 1880's we had to have such technologies in order to have written about them, but there was enough technology on the high levels to be able to write about theories of such technologies, in fact such theories had been discussed many years previous. AS well you mentioned re-incarnation, and that is another red flag as it is a complete elitist belief and one of the reasons they think they have the rite to rule (read plato's material as to why he considered himself an elite). We have been lied to so much about history that they can practically tell us anything and we will believe it. I mean, many ancient societies had heated water, plumbing, batteries of sorts, etc. We cannot say for sure what else they have known about throughout history that the public has been kept in the dark about.
But, I am not an expert on this particular story and would need to look into it further but based on what you've said about it so far, it appears fairly obvious to me at this time that it is false. Other than that story though, and your beleifs about aliens, I would agree with a fair amount of your statements.
feeler
12-04-2008, 06:46 PM
I trust you'll be able to find some information on the pyramids. And you don't really need to go much further than that with the pineal gland, we need to focus on stopping the new world order and the things that are happening to us right now in realy, they are depopulating us as we speak by controlling and manipulating the food, water and air, and weather. This is a nightmare we live in right now we have to relize that to even begin to fix it. And not worry about our 'pineal gland', or 'defeating the evil in our ego', and 'seeing beyond 5 sense reality' and even finding out the origin of man because at the moment we have to accept that it cannot be known for certain. So many of these new age type thought patterns that make ourselves our own enemy. Though, it is our fault in a way for letting this happen to us, but we can't keep blaming ourself, we have to forgive ourselves and not let this happen anymore. We are a long ways from serious solutions and changes right now, because we are so far behind. We need to be worried about surviving as a species and keeping this information alive for the next generation, we need to make sure there is a next generation. This is something bigger than each one of us, this is for everyone who has ever lived and everyone who deserves a chance to live in the future.
As for humans apppearing after dinosaurs. I don't know. I don't have all the answers on the origns of man. I have my suspicions and many opinions, but I don't think we truly can know for sure. The sciences used to tell us we do know are not sound. Science is a very effective tool, because it can be used so deceptively to convince the public no other thing could be possible, especially with the use of statistics, when in fact scientific theories change by the minute. I don't deny it is possible for species to change over time, obviously many speices are very adaptable, especially humans. But a simple truth like that can easily be twisted and used and attached to conditions and ideas that aren't necessarily true and used by the ruling elite to control the public. With evolution we have the survival fo the fittest, darwinism, eugenics essentially, as well coming with it often is atheism and essentially the belief that we are worthless and nothing special. And to go deeper they have the spiritual atheists who make it out to be an amazingly beautiful thing that we are worthless, it is such an honor to be so lucky that science just happened to result this way so that we have lives like we do. All information is managed for purposes you see.
Doom
If you don't have all the answers on the origins of man, at least be open to the possibility of alien intervention/hybridization of humans. Also consider the validity of recent scientific findings (e.g. http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/ciencia_adn07.htm).
Doom, I am doing the best I can to alert the others; even on a dentist chair, I would tell about the CIA drug trafficking. I've reminded others (Americans) whether they would like the national heath care program to be centralized and administered by a small group of psychopaths. I have shared my concerns on the AIDS program, the 9/11 controlled demolitions, the HARRP, etc.
If the concept/acceptance of ET presence is outside your comfort zone and not your primary concern, I'd respect your free will.
-feeler
p.s. This'd be my last post in this J.M. thread. Many thanks to the inputs from milk and honey.
milk and honey
12-04-2008, 07:17 PM
The mention of Phylos was obviously going to be a red flag for you Doom. Presumably it won't matter to you that Olivers contact with Phylos was the first to deal with many of the subjects it dealt with at the time. Subjects which have since found their way into the body of "new age" literature in 1001 ways. But like i was saying about Jesus' life and teachings, just because they've been hijacked by shadowy forces, doesn't make the original release of these concepts tainted. everywhere is the tainted work of the PTB. Not at all.]
Interestingly, what we've both agreed about the PTB in regard to their funnelling technology to themselves is also true of the brotherhood of spiritual adepts that i'm talking about. By their own account they have kept the spiritual and scientific knowledge safe from the destructions of past civilisations. Apart from the occasional adept who incarnates on earth to teach the people (ie, Jesus, Guatama and others) they've lived apart from the masses for ages in mountain retreats around the world since they withdrew from the impending cataclysms that rocked the world.
In 1883-4 the book asserted that Mount Shasta is one of the retreats of the ancient brotherhood and just to illustrate what i was saying earlier about how the PTB hijack the identity of the adepts (ie, Jesus) the so called "alien saviors" are already pretending that they occupy the retreat in Mt Shasta. By doing so, the "aliens" have already hijacked the identity of the brotherhood and released reams of dodgy channelings - which as always must contain a fair degree of truth to be attractive - in an attempt to confuse truth seekers with promises of external salvation via UFOs and thereby derail the work of the real adepts by diverting our attention to "aliens". I suppose that is enough to make your head spin in disbelief Doom. "My God! Am I expected to sort that out?"
Fasten your seatbelt Doom i feel a lot of presumptions coming on... my own that is...
If from your POV you believe that the entire body of info in the "new age" is tainted from a tainted source which you are convinced is a psy-op of the PTB -- info that in the 1880s had never been previously released yet has been subsequently verified - at least the high tech predictions - metaphysical info which has frequently been copied by plaigerists sponsored by the PTB as i mentioned -- then you can reach no other conclusion than that Phylos' contact with Oliver was also part a psy-op, no? After all, his information permeates the "new age"does it not?. And if the entire "new age" is false then it is case closed. If, in your conviction you have never identified a credible source of spiritual information then maybe there is no spiritual source? Maybe nobody exists beyond the material plane? After all, the PTB are masquerading as spiritual and alien beings. Then eveything of the like must undoubtedly be their own invention?
If 99 apples in a barrel are rotten at the core then the 100th must be also? If there are satisfying and logical reasons for the rotteness of the 99 then the 100th - which looks very much the same on the outside - is rotten for sure?
If the spiritual ideas and info given by Phylos (and others over time) is well motivated from a spiritual source and is indeed reflective of truth then you might reconsider all your blanket dismissals.
I appreciate that this would be very confronting because at this point it appears to me that you cannot allow yourself to consider the possibility that any spiritual teaching which you associate with the "new age" - even if it was hijacked by the PTB to reinforce their own agenda - cannot possibly have been originally released with good intentions from a spiritual source. If you cannot then why not consider the question from a spiritual POV rather than only the PTB's POV and what you consider serves them? Some questions you might consider are... " in what i've been calling the "new age movement" what is true and what is not"? "What is possible and what is not"... and ... "what is plausable from a spiritual POV and what is not".
As you said to me earlier.... "just because something is possible doesn't make it true". Agreed. But doesn't make it untrue either. And just because we have TPTB wrapping themselves in a shield of truth in order to sugarcoat their own cache of lies doesn't mean we can safely assume we have all the truths identified simply because we believe we've identified all the lies. Maybe, given that TPTB make such resourceful use of truth as well as lies, you've mistaken some truth for lies? I know you're convinced in relation to the subjects we're talking about that it is others who are confused in that regard and indeed they are but maybe you are too. Allow yourself to consider the possibility that, on crucial points of reality, you may have confused truth for lies. And then try to approach each source of info with these things in mind.
I submit to you 'Horatio' that there is far more in heaven and earth than man dreams. But man can more than dream. He can know. With perfect self-knowledge (knowledge of the self as spirit) comes the knowledge of all else. That's what Jesus taught and is what i mentioned earlier when emphasizng the need for spiritual discernment of external information.
That's what Jesus meant when he said:
"Man cannot live by bread alone - (material forces, external sources)
"But by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of the LORD"
Where is the "LORD'S mouth"? In his 'kingdom' with the rest of 'him'. Where's that? "WITHIN YOU".
Another question for you...
Earlier i asked if you were a 'materialist' and explained what i meant by the question. You answered me by acknowledging the spirit of man. But you made no mention of the now scientific understanding that there are dimensions of reality beyond the sensible.
Do you realise - conceptually at least - the nature and powers of a man fully integrated in spirit at all levels of his own being? Have you considered the possibilities that this suggests regarding the freedom of soul travel and possible habitation of higher dimensions of reality? Ever pondered what Jesus meant when he said? :
"I and my Father are One"
The "I" is the soul. The 'Father' is a metaphor for the spiritual source of his being. In other words his own spiritual identity or I AM Presence. Jesus the 'Christ' (and Guatama the Buddha) taught that everyone has an individual selfhood from the same spiritual source within (in the subtle spiritual dimension of identity) and all souls can realise it's full potential just like he did. Man's spirit is a far greater power and presence that mere tenacity and instinct for survival. It is the creative source of his intelligent soul which is untapped by people who are asleep in the mass consciousness
Jesus said:
"The works that i do ye shall do also
And greater works shall ye do
because i go to my Father"
He was really saying: Because I attained the union of my soul to spirit so can you and you can prove your self-mastery over matter like i did.
Jesus was not the only person to accomplish the integration of his soul with inner-spirit. Others have too and by doing so have attained the soul liberty to return to their origin in the spiritual plane with no necessity to incarnate again. Some of these adepts remain here to help inspire us to awaken to spiritual reality just like they have.
These principles at least suggest how it is possible that someone like Phylos could even act in higher dimensions and the power upon which he can draw to inspire Oliver to spiritual work in the physical plane. Lower astral beings can act in the lower astral plane as imposters of the adepts but that is a whole different bowl of soup. There are multiple levels of subtle materiality beyond the gross physical plane. So, a sharp spiritual discernment is required to sense the vibrational difference between spiritual and lower astral beings. In the case of "A Dweller on Two Planets" i know Phylos is a spiritual adept who dictated the book from spiritual levels.
milk and honey
12-04-2008, 07:25 PM
You too feeler. Bon voyage!
BeaTnik-BandiT
12-04-2008, 07:54 PM
Hhaha. :tongue2: Alas, Alan is no god. Nor do I 'believe' in him. But I do credit him for motivating me to really get to the sources of information and research for myself rather than take other researchers word for it.
Yeah, ok.
Seriously i listened to him on RED-ICE Creations, and i found him a very knowledgeable guy.
He shed some very good light on many aspects of the 'whole NWO scam'.
I respect him for this.
For some reason, they ceased (the Palmgren brothers of RED-ICE ) to re-invite him to his monthly radio show.
The Palmgren brothers said that Watt did'nt bring any solutions down the line, only rehearsing the same old NWO thing, so that's why it seems they got tired of him.... - And probably Watt did'nt like it.-
Doom, I am not saying this to start a mud fight, but just to let you know.
I respect both of these men (Maxwell,Tsarion,Watt,Icke..etc) they are humans with their own weaknesses. They All bring an 'aspect' of the whole thing.
The danger is where you stick too tightly to a point of view.
It's healthy to reassess your beliefs once in a while.
Challenge your own perspective of things, you'll get better at it with time. :winksmiley02:
salute.
Doom
If you don't have all the answers on the origins of man, at least be open to the possibility of alien intervention/hybridization of humans. Also consider the validity of recent scientific findings (e.g. http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/ciencia_adn07.htm).
Doom, I am doing the best I can to alert the others; even on a dentist chair, I would tell about the CIA drug trafficking.
If the concept/acceptance of ET presence is outside your comfort zone and not your primary concern, I'd respect your free will.
-feeler
It has nothing to do with being 'outside my comfort zone' the fact is i've researched it extensively and found it to be counter-intelligence. In fact because of how much I know about it from many sides of the story, it happens to be very much in my comfort zone to talk about it and expose it. I was once more than 'open minded' about it, which is why I researched it in the first place, i believed it to be true at one point too, until I did more research and more research.
Yeah, ok.
Seriously i listened to him on RED-ICE Creations, and i found him a very knowledgeable guy.
He shed some very good light on many aspects of the 'whole NWO scam'.
I respect him for this.
For some reason, they ceased (the Palmgren brothers of RED-ICE ) to re-invite him to his monthly radio show.
The Palmgren brothers said is that Watt did'nt bring any solutions down the line, only rehearsing the same old NWO thing, so that's why it seems they got tired of him.... - And probably Watt did'nt like it.-
Doom, I am not saying this to start a mud fight, but just to let you know.
I respect both of these men (Maxwell,Tsarion,Watt,Icke..etc) they are humans with their own weaknesses. They All bring an 'aspect' of the whole thing.
The danger is where you stick too tightly to a point of view.
It's healthy to reassess your beliefs once in a while.
Challenge your own perspective of things, you'll get better at it with time. :winksmiley02:
salute.
Alan Watt is not on Red Ice anymore is because they (Palmgren/David Icke/Tsarion) wanted him to talk about about aliens and reptilians. They even offered him a book deal and dvd plans etc. and told him he'd be making big $. But Alan Watt said he told them 'No, I won't do your biddings, I know you work for MI5 and MI6 like your mentor Crowley'. And since then he hasn't heard from them other than some angry emails. As you said they thought Alan was boring, they don't want to hear the 'boring' truth, they want to hear fantastic fantasy. Basically they gave him an ultimatim to start spewing disinfo or they'd take him off the air.
The danger is sticking too tightly to a point of view indeed, cause you can't see everything from one point of view. And I don't stick with one point of view ever, I always try to get all sides of the story before coming to my conclusions. It's the new agers who stick too tightly to their point of view, as you can see often at this message board, many are like religious fanatics and will insult and do anything but be rational when someone goes against their beliefs. I have no problem discussing opposing beliefs as you see, I respect other's opinions, but that doesn't mean I can't share my opposing opinions.
The mention of Phylos was obviously going to be a red flag for you Doom. Presumably it won't matter to you that Olivers contact with Phylos was the first to deal with many of the subjects it dealt with at the time. Subjects which have since found their way into the body of "new age" literature in 1001 ways. \
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As you said to me earlier.... "just because something is possible doesn't make it true". Agreed. But doesn't make it untrue either.
The new age wasn't ever a free, grass roots movement, it was created from the top down, that is well documented. Just because you say this instance was the 'first to deal with many subjects' doesn't make it true. They always put out the guys who tell you the stuff first to make sure you follow them. They put out many of the conspiracy theories first before anyone else does, they put out the truth themselves but attatch it to so many lies and disinfo, that when someone comes along with the real truth afterwards, they are discredited because they didn't come out first and aren't going along with the attatched dis-info.
And right, possibility think doesn't make something true OR untrue, but possibilty think is faith based, there is no evidence, only a possibilty. We have to base our solutions on what we know and can prove, not on faith.
BTW, i recommend finding some of the other threads on this forum about the oneness movement, and the new age, there has been some decent posts and threads with lots of info. If you would trace find the origin of these ideas that you are talking about like 'possible habitation of higher dimensions of reality', you'll find this is complete propoganda, and is exactly what the new age is all about trying to make people think, and it ultimately does not lead us to freedom, but only to be further trapped in our own mind. But I do agree like I said before with many of the universal truths in the new testament which often come in jesus' messages, but you have to relize that they have spun the truth in the messages off into the bizzare using the new age, as the new age takes from many older religions including Buddhism, Hinduism, Gnosticism, and of course Christianity, etc. So be careuful of how you interpret the messages and meanings. Especially be careful not to fall for the exoteric meanings given for the public, and look to the esoteric meanings. the new age is often mistaken for true spirituality.
BeaTnik-BandiT
12-04-2008, 11:53 PM
Alan Watt is not on Red Ice anymore is because they (Palmgren/David Icke/Tsarion) wanted him to talk about about aliens and reptilians. They even offered him a book deal and dvd plans etc. and told him he'd be making big $. But Alan Watt said he told them 'No, I won't do your biddings,
Well, i find this VERY hard to believe... :winksmiley02:
I know you work for MI5 and MI6 like your mentor Crowley'. And since then he hasn't heard from them other than some angry emails. As you said they thought Alan was boring, they don't want to hear the 'boring' truth, they want to hear fantastic fantasy. Basically they gave him an ultimatim to start spewing disinfo or they'd take him off the air.
For the MI5 thing, Palmgren of course got aware of this and answered in his forum he did'nt have to defend himself against such funny thing,.... people will decide.
I just think Mr. Watt just got frustrated for being showed the door.... :roll1:
Anyways, believe me, I was surprised and disapointed when i knew of this.
I was very much impressed with Watts radio sessions.
The danger is sticking too tightly to a point of view indeed, cause you can't see everything from one point of view. And I don't stick with one point of view ever, I always try to get all sides of the story before coming to my conclusions. It's the new agers who stick too tightly to their point of view, as you can see often at this message board, many are like religious fanatics and will insult and do anything but be rational when someone goes against their beliefs. I have no problem discussing opposing beliefs as you see, I respect other's opinions, but that doesn't mean I can't share my opposing opinions.
I have to a agree on this.
salute.
Well, i find this VERY hard to believe... :winksmiley02:
For the MI5 thing, Palmgren of course got aware of this and answered in his forum he did'nt have to defend himself against such funny thing,.... people will decide.
I just think Mr. Watt just got frustrated for being showed the door.... :roll1:
Anyways, believe me, I was surprised and disapointed when i knew of this.
I was very much impressed with Watts radio sessions.
I have to a agree on this.
salute.
Well we'll just have to agree to disagree on the Watt/Red Ice situation, my opinion knowing what I know about the kind of dis-info those guys put out and the backing behind it, is that I give the benefit of the doubt to Alan in this situation. Cause all we have is someone's word against someone else's, and character and integrity says a lot in that situation, which Alan definitely possesses more of (in my opinion of course). But of course there is no way to know for absolute certainty what happened between them. And it's more important to discuss their information than their personal battles and reasons for disliking each other or whatever, I think we both know that won't get us anywhere.
He believes that the ones behind NWO and secret societies are the aliens.
What a joke.
As astounding as this might seem it may not be very far from the truth.
I have heard from countless sources, some of which i deem highly credible that the "powers that be" or the real manipulators behind the veil are being directed by entities which are not terrestrial in origin. What i am refering to are extradimensional entities, some from as high as the fifth and sixth dimensions. It would not be a mistake to call these extraterrestrial as the very definition means originating, located, or occurring outside Earth or its atmosphere.
Consider what we know about other dimensions, extraterrestrial entities, group consciousness etc and multiply that by one thousand and you will come closer to understanding the knowledge that these guys have. And they will use that knowledge whatever way they feel will increase the power they posess over the human race even if that includes making contact with nefarious entities who are polarised towords service to self in a bid to form an alliance from which the two parties avail.
It is much more plausible to assume that our government is being manipulated/aided by extraterestrial entities rather then the notion that men are capable of such feats of intelectual prowess when left to their own devices.
As astounding as this might seem it may not be very far from the truth.
I have heard from countless sources, some of which i deem highly credible that the "powers that be" or the real manipulators behind the veil are being directed by entities which are not terrestrial in origin. What i am refering to are extradimensional entities, some from as high as the fifth and sixth dimensions. It would not be a mistake to call these extraterrestrial as the very definition means originating, located, or occurring outside Earth or its atmosphere.
Consider what we know about other dimensions, extraterrestrial entities, group consciousness etc and multiply that by one thousand and you will come closer to understanding the knowledge that these guys have. And they will use that knowledge whatever way they feel will increase the power they posess over the human race even if that includes making contact with nefarious entities who are polarised towords service to self in a bid to form an alliance from which the two parties avail.
It is much more plausible to assume that our government is being manipulated/aided by extraterestrial entities rather then the notion that men are capable of such feats of intelectual prowess when left to their own devices.
No it is not more plausable at all. That is ridiculous. And such a con. It is more typical new age rhetoric, probabilty think, etc. I have gone through in this thread already how all the evidence supporting these types conclusions is counter-intelligence. Specifically check out where I mention possibilty think and look more into it. Also be careful because these types of sources you speak of put out some truth about dimensions, consciousness etc. but then spin it to fit the new age agenda. Hell, just look into the new age movement period. :)
In fact right there in your last paragraph you admit we are defeated by saying they are capable of feats that men are not capable of, that means we're doomed because you're already admitting to being inferior. Once you come to these conclusions, you may not even relize it, but a psychological warfare program has already defeated you, no matter how you spin it and rationalize it to yourself.
Jack, can I ask you to please read this thread back through? Just because we've been talking about this for the whole thread already really. I have talked about how the PTB set up these conspiracies that want us to believe that the gov't is being manipulated by aliens, cause then we are battling imaginary creatures isntead of the real men behind the curtians, normal men flesh and blood like you and me. They circumvent any real revolution before they start up, by being good shepards, supplying our leaders, and showing us some truth first before anyone else, but then spin it off into fantasy and mix it with all kinds of lies so it renders us useless. The evidence is overwhelming that the new world order has been controlled by men throughout all ages and it often comes from the highest powers that be themselves who tell us (read Carroll Quigley's books for starters, he's the official historian for the CFR). There is no need for fantastic science fiction to prove and explain anything about this situation that we're in.
BTW, I don't mean to come off offensive sounding and if I do I apologize, but I have to be straight out with this information, there is no beating around the bush about it, I was once a victim of being spun off into outterspace myself, but I did so much research and traced the origins of all this information, and was shocked to see that even though I thought I had woken up that I was in fact just being conned again. I even had a hard time letting go of some of those new age beliefs almost because as humans we are drawn to fantasy and want to believe it. The new age has so many cons that give us warm and fuzzy solutions like ignoring the negative and everything will be ok, or how we are going to ascend into higher consciousness etc. all this stuff that make us feel good but actually just disables our true survival instinct which is the only thing that can stop the new world order.
Exposing counter intelligence, and cutting through the false realities that have been given to us or "cutting through the matrix", is one of the most important things we need to do if we ever expect to really wake up and get to the bottom of things.
Magamud
12-05-2008, 01:58 AM
Is there an Alien complaint department I could go to?
Is there an Alien complaint department I could go to?
Yea, but I think you need to take some DMT or Ayahuasca to get there. :roll1: , that or join a yoga club or something and learn to channel, :roll1:
Carol
12-05-2008, 03:04 AM
Doom, I suggest you google Credo Mutwa. His interviews are also availabe via transcripts. Now as I've personal contact with a number of contactees whose stories are indeed amazing and true.. what is true is based on their personal experiences. I've also been in this field of research since the early 1970s.. that means there is a good 35 years plus - studying this topic, talking to the people involved, reading/ediiting unpublished manuscripts and testimonies from high ranking government officials and the direct interviews of many of the people you are dissing here.. so in essence grasshopper, there is a steep learning curve still to climb on your part.
Tearing someone apart to fit your limited viewpoint and opinion does not serve the greater good here.
Doom, I suggest you google Credo Mutwa.
Already seen his interview with icke and have read all about him, his story is a complete croc(no-pun intended).
And i'm not tearing anyone apart to fit any viewpoint. I'm just explaining and providing information on what counter-intelligence is and what the new age is and how to spot it, I'll recommend you research those. Exposing lies that spin the truth into non-sense in order to discredit it is absolutely for the greater good. We'll never stop the new world order chasing aliens, i promsie you that.
BeaTnik-BandiT
12-05-2008, 03:39 AM
Yea, but I think you need to take some DMT or Ayahuasca to get there. :roll1: , that or join a yoga club or something and learn to channel, :roll1:
Stewart Swerdlow says a HIGH (See very HIGH) percentage of channelings info comes from:
-- satellite transmission technology. -- :shocked:
With means like this, it's easy to program UNAWARE and naive people into believing almost anything...!
Just look at the Blossom Goodchild October 14th non-event:
It was such a popular happening and, even if it 'failed', it got more and more people aware of the 'ET' 'presence'.
For what reason ???
That is where again we get multiple and divergent opinions.....:roftl:
Swerdlow also says that as well, a high percentage of crop circles
are generated by the Brookhaven National Laboratory in Long Island NY (!!!),
to imprint the Earth magnetic grid with 'specific patterns', as one of their purposes.
So, if true, we see that 'negative human factions'
are already at work using highly advanced technology, to say the least.
Where comes from that technology ???
That is where we again get multiple and divergent opinions.....:lol3:
salute.
Reunite
12-05-2008, 06:36 AM
Doom where do I start with you.
First I do feel sorry for you.
You obviously have never had an obe before. I guess I'm a liar and the half a dozen people who are close to me too. Once you feel your astral body lift out of your physical body you start to fathom there is more than the 3D reality and its not unusual to encounter entities who are not of this world.
I have someone who is very very close to me who has been abducted by an ET before, who has never told anyone before, has got absolutely nothing to gain out of it but only embarassment. They have never touched drugs before and have an extremely sharp memory to recall details whilst in a waking conscious state.
Oh and DMT isn't a drug..it's a medicine. Also something your pineal gland produces everytime you go to sleep. Try having a lucid dream then go from there.
Icke and Tsarion have never followed the new age movement in fact they have warned of it as a religious belief.
Try not to dismiss EVERYTHING as new age cause you are only fooling yourself from being in denial.
No it is not more plausable at all. That is ridiculous. And such a con. It is more typical new age rhetoric, probabilty think, etc. I have gone through in this thread already how all the evidence supporting these types conclusions is counter-intelligence. Specifically check out where I mention possibilty think and look more into it. Also be careful because these types of sources you speak of put out some truth about dimensions, consciousness etc. but then spin it to fit the new age agenda. Hell, just look into the new age movement period. :)
To dismiss the entire realm of spirituality as a "new age movement" is a form of disinformation in itself, and lays in the ranks of Religion and any other generalisation a person wishes to put onto an amazingly expansive and dynamic group of subjects. Although i have no doubt that there is much disinformation out there, im also very aware that there is plenty out there that is genuine. The trick here is to be able to determine what is fact and what is fiction. Everyone has their own ways of determining truth, I have numerous ways of doing this myself. But i know one thing for sure and that is ; once you turn your back on spirit you will never, no matter how hard you seek, find the real truth. The only reliable thing we have in this incarnation that guides us in the right direction is spirit. And my spiritual guidance has never once led me astray, and it is the only form of inteligence that i trust 100% with all of my heart.
I like Alans work, and find him highly interesting as well as extremely informative, but i do not think any one man has all the answers.
Sorry I had to keep this short, ive work in about 20 minutes. I'll come back later to expand upon my views and give a better understanding as to why i dont think that Alan Watt is right about everything. He is genuine, and his heart is in the right place. But it would be implausible to assume that he has all of the answers, and each one of them is correct.
Doom where do I start with you.
First I do feel sorry for you.
You obviously have never had an obe before. I guess I'm a liar and the half a dozen people who are close to me too. Once you feel your astral body lift out of your physical body you start to fathom there is more than the 3D reality and its not unusual to encounter entities who are not of this world.
I have someone who is very very close to me who has been abducted by an ET before, who has never told anyone before, has got absolutely nothing to gain out of it but only embarassment. They have never touched drugs before and have an extremely sharp memory to recall details whilst in a waking conscious state.
Oh and DMT isn't a drug..it's a medicine. Also something your pineal gland produces everytime you go to sleep. Try having a lucid dream then go from there.
Icke and Tsarion have never followed the new age movement in fact they have warned of it as a religious belief.
Try not to dismiss EVERYTHING as new age cause you are only fooling yourself from being in denial.
if it look slike a duck, walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, it's a duck. Tsarion and Icke ARE new age.
And if you're allowed to feel sorry for me then I'm allowed to feel sorry for you, for being a new ager in la-la land and completely out to lunch about reality. Actually i take that back, because I don't want to begin slinging insults. There is a lot of confusion out there and we can't get upset with each other for having opposing opinions, we have to understand given the state of affairs that people are going to be confused and it is not ALL their fault.
But I think you can try to rationalize OBE's and or drugs all you want, but imo they do nothing to show you anything about reality, they disconnected you from reality - these experiences are not real. And I've been over ET abduction and how it is a scam, whether the victim beleives it to be true that it happened to them or not, that is still not proof in itself, as there are lots of other elements at play...
To dismiss the entire realm of spirituality as a "new age movement" is a form of disinformation in itself, and lays in the ranks of Religion and any other generalisation a person wishes to put onto an amazingly expansive and dynamic group of subjects. Although i have no doubt that there is much disinformation out there, im also very aware that there is plenty out there that is genuine. The trick here is to be able to determine what is fact and what is fiction. Everyone has their own ways of determining truth, I have numerous ways of doing this myself. But i know one thing for sure and that is ; once you turn your back on spirit you will never, no matter how hard you seek, find the real truth. The only reliable thing we have in this incarnation that guides us in the right direction is spirit. And my spiritual guidance has never once led me astray, and it is the only form of inteligence that i trust 100% with all of my heart.
I like Alans work, and find him highly interesting as well as extremely informative, but i do not think any one man has all the answers.
Sorry I had to keep this short, ive work in about 20 minutes. I'll come back later to expand upon my views and give a better understanding as to why i dont think that Alan Watt is right about everything. He is genuine, and his heart is in the right place. But it would be implausible to assume that he has all of the answers, and each one of them is correct.
I'm not just dismissing anything as new age, i've extensively researched it to the point it becames obvious. So it is not dismissed, it is careful studied and shown to be so. And BTW, of course Alan doesn't have all the answers, and isn't right about everything, but I'm not basing anything on his opinions. I'm basing it on my own research from every side of the story I can get. You don't need to take anyone's word for anything. But information speaks for itself when you study the new age movement, counter-intelligence, etc.
And indeed it's all about determining what is fact and fiction. That is what I'm trying to help people do here, cause most new agers don't even know the trap they've been sucked into and think they've been woken up when they've actually just been misdirected into la-la land, fiction is quite captivating. New Age spirituality can be very alluring as it offers so many false solutions that make you feel good. And like in this thread already, I said I haven't turned my back on spirit at all, I believe in human spirit, but there is a fine line between spirituality and the new age.
Magamud
12-05-2008, 08:03 PM
Good discussion.
I think reality is so harsh that unconscously people create a denial/schizm in their perception. Hence the creation of religion. The PTB's help develop and direct religion so that the peasants could in their mind have a place to go for hope and the eilte could live more comfortably knowing the peasants wont riot. The peruvial "I will be in a better place then here", my good deeds will be rewarded in heaven. The PTB placed this type of mind trap for us back then and they are doing the same with us now with "New Age" information. There is no difference. Basic psychological warfare mix eternal truths with lies. Lies that in the end steer you away from the obvious that you and me are being killed/murdered at this very moment. Bait and switch.
Just imagine/think if we did not have this place to escape too (New age concepts, esoteric/exoteric). As a revolutionairy movement we would be more unified and more focused on the a s s holes (which are men and women) who are commiting this genocide to us. For me this is the essence of what im trying to do by pushing forth this type of logic which Alan Watt is trying to formulate.
Its not that I dont believe in spirit or UFO's, its trying to get our focus into the here and now. The reality of the present! Where the tire meets the road. Meeting the spear of evil with the shield, yes.
People projecting that I am denying spirit/soul just exhibit the level of addiction they have to these esoteric/exoteric beliefs. These ideas are working against us people! Dont you see by these posts how this helps the PTB to stay in control?
Hey if we stop these psychopaths and can live in peace like hobbits ill chum with ya about metaphysics until we open a stargate, but until then realize that you are in a war in the front lines each one of you. When you draw your perception to new age beliefs you are losing a part of your energy to the battle, you are propagating the PTB's agenda, you are creating more divergence in reality and you are seeding the future.
milk and honey
12-05-2008, 08:30 PM
The new age wasn't ever a free, grass roots movement, it was created from the top down, that is well documented. Just because you say this instance was the 'first to deal with many subjects' doesn't make it true. They always put out the guys who tell you the stuff first to make sure you follow them. They (the PTB) put out many of the conspiracy theories first before anyone else does, they put out the truth themselves but attatch it to so many lies and disinfo, that when someone comes along with the real truth afterwards, they are discredited because they didn't come out first and aren't going along with the attatched dis-info.
Yes, but in the case of spirituality it's the other way around. A spiritual teaching is released first then along comes the PTB to hijack and twist it to their own advantage. That way the spiritual truth is discredited by association with the PTB's nonsense. Believe it or not the differences are often subtle. Their objective is achieved when non- discerning souls either accept it in toto OR reject it in toto. Either way you lose.
I think you've got the aliens fairly well covered but you fail to sort the wheat from the chaff in your total dismissal of the catch-all you refer to as the "new age". Like so many other 'truth seekers' who've written books on the "new age" you've tossed everything into it including legit spiritual teachings released first by legit spiritual teachers. Those who can't see the differences are spinning their wheels and will likely end up in the same ignorance as people who accept the "new age" unreservedly. Neither extreme is a winning formula.
I know there's a lot of balony in the "new age". Usings labels to dismiss the truths which you've snared within that label allows you to avoid what you don't understand or haven't verified personally. So long as you keep doing what your doing you can remain authoritive by denying all metaphysical experiences, real or otherwise. All you have to do is keep using your catch-all labels, keep denying plausable alternative realities (ie, the repetitive MO of the PTB in stealing the ID and truth of legit spiritual teachers) and keep telling people they're mentally ill or decieved if they can personally verify the multi-dimensional nature of themselves and the universe.
That would be unfortunate because you appear to have reached a cul-de-sac from which you cannot emerge. You're in so deep your ego cannot allow you to acknowledge the reality of spiritual law, spiritual beings or experience in the spiritual / material multi-verse. Yet all these exist and are an essential part of awakening and gaining self-mastery. There are no lasting victories without realising spiritual potential. It is the source of potent action not a delusion to escape into.
Certainly the PTB disseminate their claptrap from the top down. It is well documented, as you say. And you're correct that being first to release info (ie, the vast majority of Jesus teachings or certain of Phylos' teachings) doesn't make it true. But, as i continue to reiterate; in their attempt to poison the stream, the most transparent MO of the PTB throughout history is to STEAL the ID and teachings of legitimate sources of spiritual truth and salt it with their own spin. They did this to Jesus and his teachings and they're doing the same to Phylos and his teachings and to others. The distorted mask worn by the PTB is woven from the strands of truth and the origin of that truth is spiritual.
And right, possibility think doesn't make something true OR untrue, but possibilty think is faith based, there is no evidence, only a possibilty. We have to base our solutions on what we know and can prove, not on faith.
"Faith", in the exoteric understanding, is something one "believes". But as i've said, one can "know" things which there is no possibility - at a given time - of scientifically proving to someone else. And the PTB are not about to confess that they rip off the true adepts and their teachings. But i know they have.
BTW, i recommend finding some of the other threads on this forum about the oneness movement, and the new age, there has been some decent posts and threads with lots of info. If you would trace find the origin of these ideas that you are talking about like "possible habitation of higher dimensions of reality", you'll find this is complete propoganda, and is exactly what the new age is all about trying to make people think, and it ultimately does not lead us to freedom, but only to be further trapped in our own mind. But I do agree like I said before with many of the universal truths in the new testament which often come in jesus' messages, but you have to relize that they have spun the truth in the messages off into the bizzare using the new age, as the new age takes from many older religions including Buddhism, Hinduism, Gnosticism, and of course Christianity, etc. So be careuful of how you interpret the messages and meanings. Especially be careful not to fall for the exoteric meanings given for the public, and look to the esoteric meanings. the new age is often mistaken for true spirituality.
Me saying "possible habitation of higher dimensions of reality" was an invitation to you to consider the possibility. Science has already proven the reality of higher dimensions and so have i by a different route. Whether or not science had recently proven it is immaterial to me in the same way it was immaterial to Jesus and Guatama. They knew it and so do many others. They ascended into the spiritual plane and so can we, one by one as we awaken NOT en masse in 2012 or any other time.
You've cautioned me to gain an esoteric understanding of the religious texts. So far as words can tell i've been explaining my esoteric understanding in this thread and others by quoting the adepts who clearly also know of higher dimensions of personal and cosmic reality. (ie, Jesus, Guatama, Phylos etc). True spirituality enables one to verify spiritual truth wherever it appears whether in the old religious texts or the modern.
The few reliable teachings found in what is termed the "new age" do take concepts from older religions because there is truth in older religions (discernable below the surface). The true spiritual teachers of humanity are trying to show the continuity of their teachings through different cultures over a long time. They planted their veiled truths in the historical stream in many places. The false "priests", ancient and modern, always seek to misrepresent that spiritual truth and to spin it to their own 'advantage'. Consequently you will also find attempts in the "new age" to distort and spin the old religions. It is up to each individual to discern the difference.
Even so, no well motivated spiritual teaching is totally error free because it is recieved and scribed by a human being. If there are errors there, we've been taught by all spiritual teachers worth their salt to discern and resolve them through our own inner-spirit which is the ultimate source of confirmation. Debate can only inform that process but can't resolve it.
Cheers Doom.
Yes, but in the case of spirituality it's the other way around. A spiritual teaching is released first then along comes the PTB to hijack and twist it to their own advantage. That way the spiritual truth is discredited by association with the PTB's nonsense. Believe it or not the differences are often subtle. Their objective is achieved when non- discerning souls either accept it in toto OR reject it in toto. Either way you lose.
I think you've got the aliens fairly well covered but you fail to sort the wheat from the chaff in your total dismissal of the catch-all you refer to as the "new age". Like so many other 'truth seekers' who've written books on the "new age" you've tossed everything into it including legit spiritual teachings released first by legit spiritual teachers. Those who can't see the differences are spinning their wheels and will likely end up in the same ignorance as people who accept the "new age" unreservedly. Neither extreme is a winning formula.
I know there's a lot of balony in the "new age". Usings labels to dismiss the truths which you've snared within that label allows you to avoid what you don't understand or haven't verified personally. So long as you keep doing what your doing you can remain authoritive by denying all metaphysical experiences, real or otherwise. All you have to do is keep using your catch-all labels, keep denying plausable alternative realities (ie, the repetitive MO of the PTB in stealing the ID and truth of legit spiritual teachers) and keep telling people they're mentally ill or decieved if they can personally verify the multi-dimensional nature of themselves and the universe.
That would be unfortunate because you appear to have reached a cul-de-sac from which you cannot emerge. You're in so deep your ego cannot allow you to acknowledge the reality of spiritual law, spiritual beings or experience in the spiritual / material multi-verse. Yet all these exist and are an essential part of awakening and gaining self-mastery. There are no lasting victories without realising spiritual potential. It is the source of potent action not a delusion to escape into.
Certainly the PTB disseminate their claptrap from the top down. It is well documented, as you say. And you're correct that being first to release info (ie, the vast majority of Jesus teachings or certain of Phylos' teachings) doesn't make it true. But, as i continue to reiterate; in their attempt to poison the stream, the most transparent MO of the PTB throughout history is to STEAL the ID and teachings of legitimate sources of spiritual truth and salt it with their own spin. They did this to Jesus and his teachings and they're doing the same to Phylos and his teachings and to others. The distorted mask worn by the PTB is woven from the strands of truth and the origin of that truth is spiritual.
"Faith", in the exoteric understanding, is something one "believes". But as i've said, one can "know" things which there is no possibility - at a given time - of scientifically proving to someone else. And the PTB are not about to confess that they rip off the true adepts and their teachings. But i know they have.
Me saying "possible habitation of higher dimensions of reality" was an invitation to you to consider the possibility. Science has already proven the reality of higher dimensions and so have i by a different route. Whether or not science had recently proven it is immaterial to me in the same way it was immaterial to Jesus and Guatama. They knew it and so do many others. They ascended into the spiritual plane and so can we, one by one as we awaken NOT en masse in 2012 or any other time.
You've cautioned me to gain an esoteric understanding of the religious texts. So far as words can tell i've been explaining my esoteric understanding in this thread and others by quoting the adepts who clearly also know of higher dimensions of personal and cosmic reality. (ie, Jesus, Guatama, Phylos etc). True spirituality enables one to verify spiritual truth wherever it appears whether in the old religious texts or the modern.
The few reliable teachings found in what is termed the "new age" do take concepts from older religions because there is truth in older religions (discernable below the surface). The true spiritual teachers of humanity are trying to show the continuity of their teachings through different cultures over a long time. They planted their veiled truths in the historical stream in many places. The false "priests", ancient and modern, always seek to misrepresent that spiritual truth and to spin it to their own 'advantage'. Consequently you will also find attempts in the "new age" to distort and spin the old religions. It is up to each individual to discern the difference.
Even so, no well motivated spiritual teaching is totally error free because it is recieved and scribed by a human being. If there are errors there, we've been taught by all spiritual teachers worth their salt to discern and resolve them through our own inner-spirit which is the ultimate source of confirmation. Debate can only inform that process but can't resolve it.
Cheers Doom.
And I agree that somewhere in our history and origins there was true spirituality, that over time has been hiijacked. But so much of what you have talked about falls right into the lines of the hiijacked material in my opinon. Like I said, there is a fine line between the new age and spirituality. I have stated before I fully believe in spirit. Proving the reality of higher dimensions existing has nothing to do with us habitating higher dimensions. And Perhaps our soul does. But like Mega said, we need to defeat the new world order in this reality, this is where the road meets the tire. But while so many are shopping for the New Age in answer to their spiritual crisis they fail to realize that this is the world where spirit meets matter and what you do here in the world of matter is important, no matter how you rationalize it, we are being rendered extinct and need to do something to stop this in this world, not the spiritual world. Once we get this new world order out of the way, maybe then, we can achieve our full potential spiritually, but first we must survive.
milk and honey
12-06-2008, 04:26 PM
... But like Mega said, we need to defeat the new world order in this reality, this is where the road meets the tire. But while so many are shopping for the New Age in answer to their spiritual crisis they fail to realize that this is the world where spirit meets matter and what you do here in the world of matter is important, no matter how you rationalize it, we are being rendered extinct and need to do something to stop this in this world, not the spiritual world. Once we get this new world order out of the way, maybe then, we can achieve our full potential spiritually, but first we must survive.
I agree with virtually all you've said here. What you're emphasising is exactly the relationship all spiritual people need have with this world. This world is where we must have our spiritual and material victories. Neither one without the other. Both are crucial.
I'd reply to your last comment about priorities by saying that we'd profit most by persuing spiritual and material survival simultaneously, not neglecting or postponing either. There's a lot at stake for the individual as well and what many don't fully appreciate is that both can be achieved together. In fact it's the reason we find ourselves at this crossroad "where spirit meets matter". To know and master both.
Take care Doom,
M + H
I agree with virtually all you've said here. What you're emphasising is exactly the relationship all spiritual people need have with this world. This world is where we must have our spiritual and material victories. Neither one without the other. Both are crucial.
I'd reply to your last comment about priorities by saying that we'd profit most by persuing spiritual and material survival simultaneously, not neglecting or postponing either. There's a lot at stake for the individual as well and what many don't fully appreciate is that both can be achieved together. In fact it's the reason we find ourselves at this crossroad "where spirit meets matter". To know and master both.
Take care Doom,
M + H
Well said,
btw I don't mean to say to postpone anything, I'm not trying to supress spirit, I just think our spirit connection will grow a lot more if we focus on surviving our species here in this world, in this reality of flesh and blood. I think there are so many cons out there and that they love for everyone to be busy going through book after book in the new age section of the book store searching for something that will help them accept and be at peace with the horrors we face. It all works as religion even if they think they are breaking free from religion. To be honest, I fear that the effect that this new world order could have if they fully succeed, could destroy the spirit. Some are at peace with death because they "know life goes on" in other realms in some way shape and form, but I would caution that there is more to it, that the most important time we've ever faced so far in our known history and it is at hand, where spirit meets matter, and if we want to survive, even in spirit, we need to fix what is happening here. We are fighting for everyone who has ever lived and everyone who has a rite to live in the future. We need to stop this new world order no matter where you stand spiritualy at the moment.
Magamud
12-06-2008, 05:47 PM
The new age propaganda/counter intelligence/psychological war is to disconnect the survival instinct of the human. Then allowing a whole new program to be installed of how life is supposed to be.
I think these are relevant here, no need to double post, i'll just link to it, http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/showpost.php?p=91775&postcount=56
GoingToFast
12-07-2008, 01:55 AM
This is a presentation of Michael Tsarion called "The Destruction Of Atlantis - Was Atlantis A Center Of Advanced Civilization".
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6056789081969524094&ei=0io7SbbjFKbGiALukMyNDg&q=tsarion+atlantis
micjer
12-08-2008, 10:15 PM
The new age propaganda/counter intelligence/psychological war is to disconnect the survival instinct of the human. Then allowing a whole new program to be installed of how life is supposed to be.
I agree with you but I feel that the key is not to get chipped. Then they have ultimate control over you.
:lightsabre:
BeaTnik-BandiT
12-09-2008, 12:06 AM
I agree with you but I feel that the key is not to get chipped. Then they have ultimate control over you.
:lightsabre:
Both of these options are equally are desired by the PTBs.
Their goal is that we hand over our 'Power' to them, no matter how.
feeler
12-09-2008, 12:22 AM
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EpiphaMe
12-09-2008, 02:40 AM
It's a given by product of real insight, this....."No one can awaken another... tho one may be compelled to share what one is certain that he knows... The source & content of knowledge is contained within... at some point to Know to Trust the Process of Life... else be found captivated by another beings' good intentions, that, still, capitalize on one's vulnerabilty".... (credit is acknowledged but not remembered)...
The deception is pervasive, ever so deep, predominantly everywhere...
it is the nature of our world. How much more dis/mis/information do you need in order to know this???
I have to tip my hat to Doom, his passion, his extended research... what he is sharing is closer to close.... for the sake of sifting thru the matrix/madness... he is a good "filter"... as I give example of setting ones' self up for (uninvited) feedback... you see?
All things transpiring lead to the eventual focusing within... we all have a "within".. the same within..... no one is exclusive, chosen, more capable... it's a matter of the elusive 'timing' or readiness of the prompt.
I've taken the lead into Alan Watt and I do resonate. When you consider, as I do, that when the majority of people hold something to be true, more than likely it is not... well, there you have it w/new age propoganda... believe me, I admit (let in) as has Doom, that I've fallen for them "all"...
now it's pure entertainment this... my ego gets engaged just as yours... the wake up is about your inner realm, not awakening another's.
Why is it that "you" on this forum THINK that "you" are "awakened",... when the vast majority of what "you" profess to know is merely a "poll parroting" of what you''ve heard from someone else?.. .while giving your SELF credit for being able to discern truth, having lived your entire life in delusion?
I tend to surrender (and that is not giving up) to the take that we are ALL deluded and deceived and that we'd better get started looking within, owning our vulnerables & responsibilities, accepting that our daily needs are the same as every one elses..... me? I'm back to basics.
Ashatav
12-12-2008, 12:22 PM
The new age propaganda/counter intelligence/psychological war is to disconnect the survival instinct of the human. Then allowing a whole new program to be installed of how life is supposed to be.
Amen to that hahahaha
The new age gurus says that we must accept the things how it are because we must to Flow with the Univeeerse or something like that allways.
Deepak Chopra, the Great new age guru says
"everything is who must be"
"DOOON'T CRITICIZE NOTHIIIING"
Well, for your information, mr. Chopra is a member of the infameous Club of Rome.
Cheers.
trainedobserver
12-12-2008, 02:54 PM
Some of the most damning evidence from the movie occurs about 27 or 28 minutes in where the origins of his assumed name are discussed. After viewing it is difficult to believe that Mr. Maxwell hasn't been disingenuous when discussing where it came from.
I'm afraid that Jordan Maxwell is just another member of the modern mythology sub-culture that are in the business of producing 'faux-reality' shows and books.
Seashore
04-17-2009, 08:16 PM
Alan Watt comments about Jordan Maxwell
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEHFTEHKuoo
Does anyone have any more information or links regarding Alan Watt's view of the work of Jordan Maxwell?
orthodoxymoron
04-17-2009, 10:42 PM
I'm thinking we are all partly right...and all partly wrong. We just have to keep trying to get it right. Even charlatans may have something to teach us. Latching on to any guru is probably a big mistake. There is always some problem with them or their story. Just use what makes sense and works...and throw out the rest. Keep searching...and never give up.
Seashore
04-17-2009, 11:03 PM
I'm thinking we are all partly right...and all partly wrong. We just have to keep trying to get it right. Even charlatans may have something to teach us. Latching on to any guru is probably a big mistake. There is always some problem with them or their story. Just use what makes sense and works...and throw out the rest. Keep searching...and never give up.
I agree but I was surprised by what I heard on this video:
Alan Watt comments about Jordan Maxwell
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEHFTEHKuoo
I need to investigate this further.
Does anyone have information about Alan Watt's take on Jordan Maxwell's work?
orthodoxymoron
04-18-2009, 12:07 AM
This is strange. I like Jordan Maxwell...but I liked the debunking video(the hour long video linked at the beginning of this thread)! Seashore, I watched the one you referred to...and I don't know. Nothing surprises me. I use various sources as clues for arriving at my tentative conclusions. This includes Jordan Maxwell. I think it's very hard to seriously research the occult and secret societies without getting pulled toward it. This can be a dangerous area of research. I think a lot of what we discuss in this website can be dangerous...some of it can be extremely dangerous. To some extent...we are playing with fire. However...to be ignorant of what is really going on in our world and universe can be even more dangerous. We are in the middle of a war-zone! If someone is 'exposed' as being Masonic, Illuminati, Secret Society, Jesuit, CIA, NSA, Disinfo-Agent, etc, etc, etc...this does not mean that they should not be listened to. These people probably know more about what is really going on than anyone! I probably wouldn't want to get very close to them...or buy a used car from them...and they may be very hardened and calloused people. They have probably seen more...and been involved...in more dark activities than we can imagine. I tend to think that some of the best friends of humanity may turn out to be good bad-guys. People on the dark side...who do the right thing...when it really counts. I think I'm a good guy...but I am admittedly very naive and squeamish. I would not survive for long in these groups. I therefore will never have inside knowledge. I will always be on the outside...looking in. This is fine with me!
Seashore
04-18-2009, 12:34 AM
Alan Watt comments about Jordan Maxwell
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEHFTEHKuoo
This video states that Jordan Maxwell said favorable things about freemasonry in 2000. Does anyone know whether this is true?
conec
04-22-2009, 01:42 AM
We all have our own truth and there is no point in forcing eachother to believe our side of the coin.
In Carlos Castenedas books - Don Juan etc.... (dont care if ppl believe these books to be true or not btw)
I always remember a way of thinking that Don Juan passed onto Carlos - It was something along the lines of........
the way of the warrior is to never dismiss and never totally accept.
I think this is why I liked project camelot when I found them because I saw the same way of thinking.
Thanks :)
Carmen
04-22-2009, 03:22 AM
I agree conec, The way of the warrior, to never dismiss and never totally accept. If something is truth it will end up being confirmed along the way. To get beyond the duality of putting information into boxes of good/bad, right/wrong. Personal truth should be a growing thing, an open-ended recievership.
Cheers
Carmen
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