ALERT: Gun Confiscation, Maritial Law and Civil War in America!

[Adarajones]

Pragmatic Witness

http://whitewraithe.wordpress.com/2008/12/02/alert-gun-confiscation-maritial-law-and-civil-war-in-america/

December 2, 2008
ALERT: Gun Confiscation, Maritial Law and Civil War in America!
Filed under: $700B Bail Out, India, Pakistan, U.S. Military, Zionist banker robber barons, america, anti-reality, big brother, christianity, civil war, culture & civilization, economic decline, gun control, hegelian dialectic, history, iran, martial law, massive civil unrest, morals & values, opinion, police state, tyranny, unrecognized truth — whitewraithe @ 10:37 pm
Tags: american middle class, back road atlas, civil war, gun confiscation, imploding economy, martial law, Q-files, steve quayle

All you pollyannas out there, don’t say you were not warned!

Last night’s Q-files with Steve Quayle (Dec 1), he provided extremely relevant information on what will be occurring in the country within the next 12 months; Lindsey Williams also made the same nearly verbatim dire prediction on Alex Jones show sometime last week in that America’s Middle-Class will be destroyed, which will result in gun confiscation, martial law and finally civil war.

I’ve been following Quayle for several years and I do not agree with him on every point, most of all, his interweaving of religious rhetoric into his broadcasts, nor do I agree with his opinion that radical Islam is a threat to the US or the world. Anyone reading this blog knows full well where I stand on “what” the significant threat is. Disregarding those two issues, Quayle is a patriot and his insider knowledge is invaluable especially right now.

When someone like Steve Quayle starts recommending the purchase of BACK ROAD ATLASES everyone needs to get their heads out of the sand and pay attention!


Whitewraithe~

Steve Quayle on Gun Confiscation - Part 1 of 3
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=fsKW9dMEjhM&eurl=http://whitewraithe.wordpress.com/2008/12/02/alert-gun-confiscation-maritial-law-and-civil-war-in-america/

[hueyii]

Fear. Violence. Death. Guns. Armies. Disease.

Quick we need more fear. Can someone please throw gasoline on the fire?

We can only be controlled by fear so by all means, give in!

[Squeptikal]

Pragmatic Witness

http://whitewraithe.wordpress.com/2008/12/02/alert-gun-confiscation-maritial-law-and-civil-war-in-america/

When someone like Steve Quayle starts recommending the purchase of BACK ROAD ATLASES everyone needs to get their heads out of the sand and pay attention!


Whitewraithe~

Here is an opportunity to envision what day-to-day police officials will eventually realize; that they are pawns and that they are confiscating from people who they consider friends.

It won't take long for them to realize that confiscating all the guns means theirs too, and incarcerating their friends will lose popularity and the revolution will start with a major event involving police against police.

It's already been written so enjoy the show.

[Baggywrinkle]

Fear. Violence. Death. Guns. Armies. Disease.

Quick we need more fear. Can someone please throw gasoline on the fire?

We can only be controlled by fear so by all means, give in!

http://www.personneltoday.com/assets/getAsset.aspx?ItemID=4678

relax, go back to sleep, big brother will protect you and
take care of all your needs, shh shh, relax...

[Waterman]

Gun confiscation has already started. The operation is underway.

My sources say they came to the dealers with list a list names and obtained information. The concern is that the names they asked for have no record whatsoever of doing anything wrong, so it is all about you political view. This info is less that 24 hours old.

Expired permits have some in jail right now....

Yes, they are looking for uncooperative people they think will give them trouble. Since ATF resources are limited about five states are targeted in the current operation but all are on the board, and Texas is having major violations of constitutional rights as we speak....

It is time you make contact with ground crew folks and make some plans.... This is not becoming a fascist state... it already is!

[Rareheart]

100 million gun owners in the US might have something to say about this perhaps?

To quote the former president of the NRA..."you can have my gun when you pry it from my cold dead hands."
:winksmiley02:

[Baron Cross]

Waterman, are you saying they are confiscating guns in Texas right now?:shocked:

[Waterman]

yes right now....

[hueyii]

100 million gun owners in the US might have something to say about this perhaps?

To quote the former president of the NRA..."you can have my gun when you pry it from my cold dead hands."
:winksmiley02:


Uhh.. he's dead now.

[Stabris8]

Waterman, thanks for the heads up... in my part of Texas I have not seen (currently) taking place. But know it is only a matter of time, before we have a 'visit' from them!!! It's not going to go well, so I will try to post what I can when I can; before I am 'unable' to contribute any info.

Pray for me and my family please!

[Waterman]

So Hueyii what's your point? That it won't happen.....sorry it is happening right now...

Is your point, that you don't have any guns so you don't care?

You think this is fear? Then I would say it doesn't take much to scare you!

You comments are worthless, useless, and I ponder why you take the time to write them, in fact your ilk isn't usually worth my time.

Sorry Carol, but this nonsense is getting to me. It is people like this that have no clue what this means and in today's events is very dangerous.

Folks this is happening as we speak!

It seems some never learn from history. On April 19 many years ago in Lexington their were some very valiant people that died because they had had enough!

What is going on here is deadly serious, and will likely ignite a civil war which I know is what they want. But it won't stop till there isn't anymore pawns to play on the chess board. Only this time the pawns will eventually win. Oh yes some will die, but eventually the NWO will loose.

Now that's thinking positive!

[hueyii]

relax, go back to sleep, big brother will protect you and
take care of all your needs, shh shh, relax...

I doubt big brother cares much about me except for my tax money and consumption.

Which should I be more afraid of? This conspiracy or:

Chemtrails?
Aliens?
NWO?
Prison Camps?
PlanetX?
.
.
.

I'll keep my head in the sand for now. Makes it easier to block out this illusion you call reality and discover who I really am. Look within yourself and you will understand that we never really die. That will set you free.

Fear is just another controlling mechanism. If you want to change your reality you can do it without fear.

I'm not afraid to die anymore. I have released myself from the control imposed on me by fear of death.

May you all experience the oneness that we are. (without fear) :original:

[Waterman]

Ok Hueyii, I'll bite.

I've faced death before. I've faced a firing squad before in a communist country with a brutal dictator. Have YOU? I don't fear their weapons!

As to this being real or not. As soon as being punched in the nose doesn't hurt I'm going to react to the stimulus.

I'm sorry your reality has lost it's feelings, and passion. But I understand it has to do with being to be so elevated..... I should be so lucky. In the meantime since you have already arrived and surpassed me... would you give me your ammo since you won't be needing it.

[hueyii]

So Hueyii what's your point? That it won't happen.....sorry it is happening right now...

Is your point, that you don't have any guns so you don't care?

You think this is fear? Then I would say it doesn't take much to scare you!

You comments are worthless, useless, and I ponder why you take the time to write them, in fact your ilk isn't usually worth my time.

Sorry Carol, but this nonsense is getting to me. It is people like this that have no clue what this means and in today's events is very dangerous.

Folks this is happening as we speak!

It seems some never learn from history. On April 19 many years ago in Lexington their were some very valiant people that died because they had had enough!

What is going on here is deadly serious, and will likely ignite a civil war which I know is what they want. But it won't stop till there isn't anymore pawns to play on the chess board. Only this time the pawns will eventually win. Oh yes some will die, but eventually the NWO will loose.

Now that's thinking positive!


My point is this:

I read over and over on this board about how we are controlled by the govt/church/society by keeping us afraid. Then I see the same thing being done in other posts. Fear.

This is the adventure we all signed up for when we came to this world. I embrace it by facing my fears and seeing them for what they are. This is not easy for some. For some reason I dont have a problem with it. I have been in many life threatening situations, some of which torture me with mental and physical pain to this day. I've learned through meditation and positive thought that I can overcome physical and mental suffering. Once you reach this state than you can more easily deal with whatever is thrown at you.

Ask yourself what you are really afraid of. Explore the source of your fear. Once you get there and understand the source, you will realize that you are making a conscious choice to be afraid.

I choose not to be. I also choose to spread the word and hopefully help others see this truth. Being afraid doesnt fix anything. All it does is trigger defensive mechanisms that ultimately lead to more suffering either by you or the ones that are targeted by your defenses.

We are all one. I really feel this. My goal is to help others understand. If you say this futile and that this attitude will create more problems, then please help me understand how your approach will eliminate problems.

They take my guns therefore I will not be able to shoot people? What does shooting at people solve? Violence begets violence. Guns dont kill people, sheeple kill people.

There is nothing good or productive in killing.

It's ironic that I indeed have guns, rifles and ammunition. In my earlier days I thought they were important but now I see that all they do is kill.


Peace to you and hopes that you will understand.

[Myplanet2]

It's a process. until it stops being a process.

We're dealing with the changes taking place in our own ways. Nobody is wrong. Waterman is right that this is taking place, and that those who feel they need to act in response should do so while they still can.

Hueyii is right that there is great gain to be had by bypassing the game the PTB are trying to draw us all into, and focusing on becoming more who we are in essence.

Baggywrinkle is right that many hide the truth from themselves and will subsequently be caught with their pants down.

What works in a meeting place like this, is respecting each others process, and granting allowance for each to deal with things in the way they've selected.

As someone else said, "it's all good". what we're doing, in our own way, will be what turns the tide away from the grip of the PTB.

If we just continue what we're doing, and allow others the same leeway, we'll win.

[hueyii]

Ok Hueyii, I'll bite.

I've faced death before. I've faced a firing squad before in a communist country with a brutal dictator. Have YOU? I don't fear their weapons!

As to this being real or not. As soon as being punched in the nose doesn't hurt I'm going to react to the stimulus.

I'm sorry your reality has lost it's feelings, and passion. But I understand it has to do with being to be so elevated..... I should be so lucky. In the meantime since you have already arrived and surpassed me... would you give me your ammo since you won't be needing it.

Did being afraid help you? Wouldnt it be wonderful if we could control our reaction to violence? Being shot at made me feel more alive. Gave me purpose. Being in life and death situations gave me practice at controlling fear I guess. I did not come out of any of these situations with vengeance, just happy to be alive even after extensive life changing injuries. At first I thought as you do that I dont have emotions and that something was dead inside of me. Then I had a moment when I understood it all. It changed my point of view. I now see that I am more alive than ever and I have simply overcome some part of me that caused my emotions to control my behavior.

I am ultimately responsible for everything that happens. You are too. I hope we have the same goal.

I dont wish to elevate myself, merely share my experience. Just because others havent experienced it doesnt make me better, it just gives me a different point of view. Everybody has a different experience. The path is different for all of us. no path is better or worse, just a different adventure.

Peace and may your adventure serve us all.

(Thanks for the dialogue. Most just tell me to shut up)

[Baggywrinkle]

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/images/Holocaust/gh6.jpg

It can't happen here..it can't happen here..it can't happen here..

http://www.survivalarts.com/images/gun_control_is_racist.jpg

It won't happen here when good people stand up and say
no. Gun control means using both hands. Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn warned us not to go quietly if we had to take up whatever was at hand to defend ourselves.

I am a Free Quaker. A pacifist, and I have pie pan accuracy at 300 yards. At 100 yards I can shoot one
inch groups. It isn't precision, but it is good enough to
qualify as a marksman.

[Waterman]

Hi Baggy,

Put about 24 more of those guys with a rifle in the picture and that was me almost two decades ago.....

I know it is real!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thanks Baggy

[historycircus]

Pragmatic Witness

http://whitewraithe.wordpress.com/2008/12/02/alert-gun-confiscation-maritial-law-and-civil-war-in-america/

December 2, 2008
ALERT: Gun Confiscation, Maritial Law and Civil War in America!
Filed under: $700B Bail Out, India, Pakistan, U.S. Military, Zionist banker robber barons, america, anti-reality, big brother, christianity, civil war, culture & civilization, economic decline, gun control, hegelian dialectic, history, iran, martial law, massive civil unrest, morals & values, opinion, police state, tyranny, unrecognized truth — whitewraithe @ 10:37 pm
Tags: american middle class, back road atlas, civil war, gun confiscation, imploding economy, martial law, Q-files, steve quayle

All you pollyannas out there, don’t say you were not warned!

Last night’s Q-files with Steve Quayle (Dec 1), he provided extremely relevant information on what will be occurring in the country within the next 12 months; Lindsey Williams also made the same nearly verbatim dire prediction on Alex Jones show sometime last week in that America’s Middle-Class will be destroyed, which will result in gun confiscation, martial law and finally civil war.

I’ve been following Quayle for several years and I do not agree with him on every point, most of all, his interweaving of religious rhetoric into his broadcasts, nor do I agree with his opinion that radical Islam is a threat to the US or the world. Anyone reading this blog knows full well where I stand on “what” the significant threat is. Disregarding those two issues, Quayle is a patriot and his insider knowledge is invaluable especially right now.

When someone like Steve Quayle starts recommending the purchase of BACK ROAD ATLASES everyone needs to get their heads out of the sand and pay attention!


Whitewraithe~

Steve Quayle on Gun Confiscation - Part 1 of 3
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=fsKW9dMEjhM&eurl=http://whitewraithe.wordpress.com/2008/12/02/alert-gun-confiscation-maritial-law-and-civil-war-in-america/

No offense, but it would be impossible to confiscate two-thirds of Americans guns - the government would have to search house by house, and they have neither the manpower or time for that. I could go out and buy a high powered shotgun right now, and not fill out a lick of paperwork.

Gun confiscation is a dead letter.

[Waterman]

History circus,

I have to disagree.... sort of. The effect they are trying to promote would be possible.
And that is to profile then go after those weapons.... and that is what they are doing. Besides the number of troops coming on the "patrol" america program is about 84 to 90,000. We already have evidence that they will go house to house to get them, it happened in Lousiana.

So it will be attempted, and that is the important thing to remember. And ..... just because it is only a few does not make it right. I know you know that but some here don't.

The effect that is desired is to egg on the conflict by doing this. When the flash point happens it will not be fun for anybody.

So, is it happening? Yes. When? Now. Why? Knowing it will provote people that are not arm chair protectors of our freedom to respond. When will that happen? If they keep it up it will happen when they provoke the wrong people, and it is getting close!

[historycircus]

Here is a little tip for all of you who believe that that 12 guage in the closet will make a difference against the PTB, or that the PTB really cares or not whether it is in your closet.

Since the late 1950s, governments have been tinkering with what are called "field corrosives," designed to inhibit the normal operation of TEMPs (traditionally ejected metal projectiles). When you are hunkered down in your bunker monitering the movement of the NWO force in your neighborhood, and you hear the phrase "altering TEMPs now," don't bother grabbing your coat, or your gun.

They have lasers in space, directed energy weapons, stealth bombers, and nuclear weapons.

My advice to those who are worried about the house to house search, and who want to survive such an encounter. Buy a couple of cheap, if not broken firearms, and plenty of ammunition for them. Then, get some good firearms (my suggestion is one pistol, one shotgun, and one rifle with a good scope), and get a couple thousand rounds for each one (you can trade what you can't travel with). When they come to the door, be polite. Tell them you are glad that they have come to rid you of the burden of dangerous weapons, that you love what the NWO has done with the place, and then eagerly lead them to your broken guns and dupe ammo supply. Ask them if they would like a cup of coffee, and would like to chat about Green Bay's Superbowl chances. All the while, your REAL cache is under the floorboards, sealed behind drywall, or at the bottome of a six foot hole in the backyard.

Then run like hell after they leave your neighborhood.

[hueyii]

History circus,

I have to disagree.... sort of. The effect they are trying to promote would be possible.
And that is to profile then go after those weapons.... and that is what they are doing. Besides the number of troops coming on the "patrol" america program is about 84 to 90,000. We already have evidence that they will go house to house to get them, it happened in Lousiana.

So it will be attempted, and that is the important thing to remember. And ..... just because it is only a few does not make it right. I know you know that but some here don't.

The effect that is desired is to egg on the conflict by doing this. When the flash point happens it will not be fun for anybody.

So, is it happening? Yes. When? Now. Why? Knowing it will provote people that are not arm chair protectors of our freedom to respond. When will that happen? If they keep it up it will happen when they provoke the wrong people, and it is getting close!

Louisiana. Was that in 2005? I googled it and found this:

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines06/0714-06.htm

Published on Friday, June 18, 2006 by Reuters
Senate Votes to Bar Emergency Gun Confiscation


WASHINGTON - The U.S. Senate on Thursday voted to prohibit the confiscation of legally owned guns during an emergency like last year's Hurricane Katrina, marking another victory for the gun lobby.

[sleepingnomore]

I'd like to know what difference it's really going to make to anyone to know the agenda of what may or may not come to be. Do you really think you can do anything about it. All you can hope to do is change your interaction in the world, if you can do that then maybe it will spread until people start to appreciate the things they do have and stop worrying about the rest.

Signed
Polyanna

[Orion Morris]

I guerentee all of you that I live in one of the most highly concentrated areas for guns... Here in Wyoming it is legal for anybody who is not a felon to cary a gun right out on their belt anywhere they go... Everybody has gun racks in their trucks and even people who have no use for a gun have one somewhere.... On the weekends for as long as anybody can remember kids get their guns, hop on their dirt bikes and go out and shoot prarie dogs and rabits... everybody does it....
You can legally hunt before your even big enough to hold a fu#king gun....

If they ever tried to take guns from these people it would errupt into civil war... History circus is right.... They dont need our guns to keep us from being a threat to them.... They want us to have some of our guns so when the food shortage breaks out, or this recessions worsens, we will take our guns and start using them on eachother.... As someone once told me, "this country is 3 missed meals away from total chaos."

They would rather have us thin ourselves out before they would ever go around and start trying to take guns from your house.... Seriously if that happened here people would be on the streets lighting shi# up.... Not a chance... They are smarter than that... if they want to control us then just starve us and make us come to them for food....

The only thing that a gun is good for right now is hunting and protecting your family against other crazy people who would be trying to come into your house and rob you for your food.

[historycircus]

The only thing that a gun is good for right now is hunting and protecting your family against other crazy people who would be trying to come into your house and rob you for your food.

Get your calendars out folks - Orion Morris and I just agreed on something.

And make no mistake about it, if the system crashes, the PTB will not be the primary concern. There are plenty enough rotten people at the bottom of the pyramid who will present themselves at our doors waaaaay before the NWO comes a' knocking. They will attempt to take from us that which we would freely give . . . Where have I heard that before?

[hueyii]

Get your calendars out folks - Orion Morris and I just agreed on something.

And make no mistake about it, if the system crashes, the PTB will not be the primary concern. There are plenty enough rotten people at the bottom of the pyramid who will present themselves at our doors waaaaay before the NWO comes a' knocking. They will attempt to take from us that which we would freely give . . . Where have I heard that before?

Learn to swim.

Cuz I'm praying for rain
And I'm praying for tidal waves
I wanna see the ground give way.
I wanna watch it all go down.
Mom please flush it all away.
I wanna watch it go right in and down.
I wanna watch it go right in.
Watch you flush it all away.

Time to bring it down again.
Don't just call me pessimist.
Try and read between the lines.

I can't imagine why you wouldn't
Welcome any change, my friend.

I wanna see it all come down.

[historycircus]

Learn to swim.

Cuz I'm praying for rain
And I'm praying for tidal waves
I wanna see the ground give way.
I wanna watch it all go down.
Mom please flush it all away.
I wanna watch it go right in and down.
I wanna watch it go right in.
Watch you flush it all away.

Time to bring it down again.
Don't just call me pessimist.
Try and read between the lines.

I can't imagine why you wouldn't
Welcome any change, my friend.

I wanna see it all come down.

Tool is OK, but I prefer something a bit heavier, and new:

You rise, you fall, you're down and you rise again . . .
What don't kill ya' make you more strong.

Breaking your teeth on the hard life a comin'
Show your scars.
Cuttin' your feet on the hard earth a runnin'
Show your scars.

Broken. Beaten. Scarred.
We die hard.

[Dantheman62]

Dec. 9th 2008 Orion Morris and historycircus agree on something! :trumpet:

[hueyii]

Tool is OK, but I prefer something a bit heavier, and new:

You rise, you fall, you're down and you rise again . . .
What don't kill ya' make you more strong.

Breaking your teeth on the hard life a comin'
Show your scars.
Cuttin' your feet on the hard earth a runnin'
Show your scars.

Broken. Beaten. Scarred.
We die hard.

Thats how I feel today anyway. The thing with Tool is you can only take it in small doses. As much as I like them, I used to listen to most everything they had for days on end. It helped me think of stuff in different ways. It is sometimes dark music though so I don’t gravitate to it as much. The best album from and esoteric sense is Lateralus. Most of those songs rock if you really listen to them. I don’t know why but it has 3 different covers. Of course this all has nothing to do with gun control. :lol3:

[Dantheman62]

I also agree with you historycircus, give them the sh...ty guns when or if they come, and keep the good ones hidden! And Orion Morris, Minnesota is the same as where you are, everybody and their cousin has guns and grew up with guns, I started shooting when I was 6. So I will add that they aren't going to take my guns away, period.

[Baggywrinkle]

I also agree with you historycircus, give them the sh...ty guns when or if they come, and keep the good ones hidden! And Orion Morris, Minnesota is the same as where you are, everybody and their cousin has guns and grew up with guns, I started shooting when I was 6. So I will add that they aren't going to take my guns away, period.

I have a single shot Chipmunk in the weapons cabinet



The M1A and the AK were stolen last year sir, along with eight thousand
rounds of ammunition. No, I didn't bother to report it. :D

With a lathe you can build your own weapon. With a ball mill you can make your own powder. With a home forge you can pour your own bronze CANNON.

With a bit of knowledge (which is why Avalon is here folks), some determination, and a thirst for freedom when push comes to shove you will
be shooting what they are shooting in the morning.

But the best policy is to remember that the best way to avoid a punch is to
not be there and the best fight is the fight that was not fought to begin with.

Take these Somali pirates for example. If they bring back the world war II Q-ship (a honey pot freighter or tanker armed to the teeth), it will make them think twice.

[deb003]

I live in Florida. I know men who are buying more guns as they see things unfold. I know also some people who have said they will bury their guns if they come to confiscate them and claim that they were stolen if anyone comes to take them away.
Most people I know are COMPLETELY asleep. so a confiscation will literally shock them and anything is possible.
I have warned my friends and I am so tired of them calling me paranoid, a kool-aid drinker.
At least I'm more prepared.

[Dantheman62]

Wow Baggy!, 8000 rounds, maybe you should've reported it just in case it fell into the hands of gang members or something. I don't think it's illegal to own an AK and M1A is it, at least it didn't use to be that way, as long as they didn't have extra long magazines.

[MMe M]

Baggy, Thats an accurate picture.

This has concerned me for some time. They cant get of them. They wont, its the outcome that has to be if we are to go foreward, to progress. The ones playing this out are done. Theyll still make life miserable, and we will still have to deliver ourselves, but it will happen with enough of us sticking together, remaining steadfast.

Regardless if you are a pacifist or no, a weapon is an equalizer. If you never pulled the trigger in a heated situaion, you at least had the option, the choice. Freedom is all about choices. We should have them.


The shootings reported lately are odd. The news seem to sensationalize them as if there is a need for public sympathy. They will find none in this country if we are hip to their games. How many thugs shoot people execution style that arent formerly trained (Steak and Shake in Ill)? None.

If they want our guns, they must take them by force, something they wont want to do as per all history regading ground invasion in this country. Nobody ever wanted to as we are all armed to the teeth!

[Gnosis5]

Exactly, we are all in some stage of facing truth, facing our responses to our environment.

It's all good!
Gnosis




It's a process. until it stops being a process.

We're dealing with the changes taking place in our own ways. Nobody is wrong. Waterman is right that this is taking place, and that those who feel they need to act in response should do so while they still can.

Hueyii is right that there is great gain to be had by bypassing the game the PTB are trying to draw us all into, and focusing on becoming more who we are in essence.

Baggywrinkle is right that many hide the truth from themselves and will subsequently be caught with their pants down.

What works in a meeting place like this, is respecting each others process, and granting allowance for each to deal with things in the way they've selected.

As someone else said, "it's all good". what we're doing, in our own way, will be what turns the tide away from the grip of the PTB.

If we just continue what we're doing, and allow others the same leeway, we'll win.

[Humble Janitor]

The more I see stuff like this, the more I want to stop bothering with this forum.

It seems as if people are only concerned about themselves, their land and their guns.

They just don't get it.

What good are your guns when you're faced with a SWAT force at your doorstep? Unless you're willing to die for your own selfish means, what is the point?

Do whatever you feel you need to do but don't berate those who don't own firearms.

[Humble Janitor]

I live in Florida. I know men who are buying more guns as they see things unfold. I know also some people who have said they will bury their guns if they come to confiscate them and claim that they were stolen if anyone comes to take them away.
Most people I know are COMPLETELY asleep. so a confiscation will literally shock them and anything is possible.
I have warned my friends and I am so tired of them calling me paranoid, a kool-aid drinker.
At least I'm more prepared.

What good is it to bury your guns? What if they have metal detectors?

Again, nothing but fear.

[LiquidSwordz]

I guerentee all of you that I live in one of the most highly concentrated areas for guns... Here in Wyoming it is legal for anybody who is not a felon to cary a gun right out on their belt anywhere they go... Everybody has gun racks in their trucks and even people who have no use for a gun have one somewhere.... On the weekends for as long as anybody can remember kids get their guns, hop on their dirt bikes and go out and shoot prarie dogs and rabits... everybody does it....
You can legally hunt before your even big enough to hold a fu#king gun....

If they ever tried to take guns from these people it would errupt into civil war... History circus is right.... They dont need our guns to keep us from being a threat to them.... They want us to have some of our guns so when the food shortage breaks out, or this recessions worsens, we will take our guns and start using them on eachother.... As someone once told me, "this country is 3 missed meals away from total chaos."

They would rather have us thin ourselves out before they would ever go around and start trying to take guns from your house.... Seriously if that happened here people would be on the streets lighting shi# up.... Not a chance... They are smarter than that... if they want to control us then just starve us and make us come to them for food....

The only thing that a gun is good for right now is hunting and protecting your family against other crazy people who would be trying to come into your house and rob you for your food.


Good points, let the people kill/starve themselves first, before they take over. A brilliant plan. So for us PEOPLE, its a LOSE/LOSE situation. If you are somehow lucky, and manage to survive the chaos, you will most likely be labeled as a TERRORIST, R.F.I.D chipped, and work as a slave anyway.

[Baggywrinkle]

Baggy, Thats an accurate picture.

This has concerned me for some time. They cant get of them. They wont, its the outcome that has to be if we are to go foreward, to progress. The ones playing this out are done. Theyll still make life miserable, and we will still have to deliver ourselves, but it will happen with enough of us sticking together, remaining steadfast.

Regardless if you are a pacifist or no, a weapon is an equalizer. If you never pulled the trigger in a heated situaion, you at least had the option, the choice. Freedom is all about choices. We should have them.


The shootings reported lately are odd. The news seem to sensationalize them as if there is a need for public sympathy. They will find none in this country if we are hip to their games. How many thugs shoot people execution style that arent formerly trained (Steak and Shake in Ill)? None.

If they want our guns, they must take them by force, something they wont want to do as per all history regading ground invasion in this country. Nobody ever wanted to as we are all armed to the teeth!

No they will not go house to house. They will allow you to come to them.

Tattoo this on your foreheads so you can read it in the mirror each morning: Your weapons do not protect your food. Your food protects your weapons. There have already been weapon exchange programs in Chicago for gift certificates aimed at people needing to buy food.

A plausible scenario is the execution of executive order
11004--Federal seizure of all housing and finances and authority to establish forced relocation. Authority to designate areas to be abandoned as "unsafe,"
Say, in Northern Idaho. The area is cordoned off. The residents ordered to leave. Do you think for a moment that weapons will be allowed through the check points?



I work every day at being a pacifist. I also have an autographed copy of the Vietnam Primer by David Hackworth. Those who remember Hack will know the value of this book

[Dantheman62]

Geez Humble Janitor, chill out a little bit!, first and foremost my guns are for hunting!, and if bubba and his friends break in my house and think they're going to steal my food or hurt friends or family, then my guns are for protection. Guns are not to just go around and shoot people without reason. And if SWAT comes knocking, which isn't going to happen, I'll give them one or two guns and keep the rest hidden. Nobody's knocking anyone for not having guns!

[dagon]

shi% . Im going to fight for the people. Im a pacifist. you couldnt pay me enough to go fight a war. but bring it home. and the rules change. and I think thay just have. I had about enough of this shi%. its so clear what coming. I fear not. Im mad as hell.:mad3: I would be the first one to fight for the people!!! we need a movement with a quickness. we got to take the power back. Oh im getting it all right. Im just not going to take it. when the shi% rolls. count me in! :lightsabre:

better to live one day as a loin, than a lifetime as a sheep!
take the power back :mad3::mad3::mad3::mad3::mad3::mad3::mad3:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqkMsXcHQYg
:mad3::mad3::mad3::mad3::mad3::mad3::mad3::mad3::m ad3::mad3:
wake up:mad3::mad3::mad3::mad3::mad3::mad3::mad3::mad3: :mad3:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUfaJ8RqfOg&NR=1
:mad3::mad3::mad3::mad3::mad3::mad3::mad3::mad3::m ad3:
one day as a lion
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LdE0ugQ9OQE&feature=related
:mad3::mad3::mad3::mad3::mad3::mad3::mad3::mad3::m ad3::mad3:

[MMe M]

What good is it to bury your guns? What if they have metal detectors?

Again, nothing but fear.

Your guns are for self preservation. That may mean hunting for food, or protecting what little you have managed to hang on to. Civilization is great but when a society breaks down, many people loose what decorum they posessed when the grocery store was open 24/7.

You know it to be true. We are not all honorable in the human race as evidenced daily by the nazi regime in power currently.

[MMe M]

No they will not go house to house. They will allow you to come to them.

Tattoo this on your foreheads so you can read it in the mirror each morning: Your weapons do not protect your food. Your food protects your weapons. There have already been weapon exchange programs in Chicago for gift certificates aimed at people needing to buy food.

A plausible scenario is the execution of executive order
11004--Federal seizure of all housing and finances and authority to establish forced relocation. Authority to designate areas to be abandoned as "unsafe,"
Say, in Northern Idaho. The area is cordoned off. The residents ordered to leave. Do you think for a moment that weapons will be allowed through the check points?



I work every day at being a pacifist. I also have an autographed copy of the Vietnam Primer by David Hackworth. Those who remember Hack will know the value of this book

Youre underestimate the people. Yes some will leave and allow their weapons to be taken, others will go to ground and bush, the only plausable way to survive something of this nature coming.

[MMe M]

The more I see stuff like this, the more I want to stop bothering with this forum.

It seems as if people are only concerned about themselves, their land and their guns.

They just don't get it.

What good are your guns when you're faced with a SWAT force at your doorstep? Unless you're willing to die for your own selfish means, what is the point?

Do whatever you feel you need to do but don't berate those who don't own firearms.

You got nearly 600 posts. What choo gonna do if it isnt here? Hmmmm????

[Baggywrinkle]

Youre underestimate the people. Yes some will leave and allow their weapons to be taken, others will go to ground and bush, the only plausable way to survive something of this nature coming.

I edited out the other part of it, not wanting to be a
panic merchant.

Those who do not leave will be declared enemy combatants and hunted in search and destroy missions
using weapons of mass destruction as was done by Saddam to the Kurds and by the Russians against Chechnya. The blueprint is already written. All you need
do is read all of the volumes of Gulag Archipelago to see
what they will do.

To counter, you should be reading about the resistance in classics such as "They Fought Back." Learn from the forest Jews of Belarus and the survivors of the Warsaw Ghetto uprising.


Samual Rajzman of Treblinka asked Galewski of Warsaw why he had been saved. His companion replied I did not save you to keep you alive, but to sell your life at a higher price. You are now a member of a secret
organization that is planning an uprising and you must live.

This is not just a history lesson and the study is not academic. Fall down on your knees and pray that you will never need what you will learn there in your life time. But learn it you must, and quickly, for you are the mustard seeds that will teach others. Even if you are too old to do what must be done, you will teach the young and admonish them to teach their children should it not happen in your life time. This knowledge must be preserved. Among the sheep there are some sheep dogs. You are one of them. You are liberty's teeth!

We, the children of the greatest generation have grown
fat and lazy. Kindle the fire within you that made your
ancestors great. It is there. You only must shake off your stupor and remember your genetic heritage. My grandmother was born in Liberty township. My great grand mother was Amelia LIBERTA Hemple. It was part of their lives. They impressed it on their children. They suffered to have it and they bled to keep it. It is up to you to remember what you have lost! Today we do not know the meaning of the word! But we will when it is gone.


"God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a rebellion.
The people cannot be all, and always, well informed. The part which is
wrong will be discontented, in proportion to the importance of the facts
they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions,
it is lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty. ...
And what country can preserve its liberties, if it's rulers are not
warned from time to time, that this people preserve the spirit of
resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as
to the facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost
in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from
time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
It is its natural manure."
-- Thomas Jefferson

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8LzOXVsC70

[ENdJOY]

I got as far as the words Q-files and skipped down to reply... It is my personal opinion that this is fear-mongering in its purest form...I do not read it and I suggest that you quit supporting this kind of promotion of hate and fear.

[Carmen]

Pragmatic Witness

http://whitewraithe.wordpress.com/2008/12/02/alert-gun-confiscation-maritial-law-and-civil-war-in-america/

December 2, 2008
ALERT: Gun Confiscation, Maritial Law and Civil War in America!
Filed under: $700B Bail Out, India, Pakistan, U.S. Military, Zionist banker robber barons, america, anti-reality, big brother, christianity, civil war, culture & civilization, economic decline, gun control, hegelian dialectic, history, iran, martial law, massive civil unrest, morals & values, opinion, police state, tyranny, unrecognized truth — whitewraithe @ 10:37 pm
Tags: american middle class, back road atlas, civil war, gun confiscation, imploding economy, martial law, Q-files, steve quayle

All you pollyannas out there, don’t say you were not warned!

Last night’s Q-files with Steve Quayle (Dec 1), he provided extremely relevant information on what will be occurring in the country within the next 12 months; Lindsey Williams also made the same nearly verbatim dire prediction on Alex Jones show sometime last week in that America’s Middle-Class will be destroyed, which will result in gun confiscation, martial law and finally civil war.

I’ve been following Quayle for several years and I do not agree with him on every point, most of all, his interweaving of religious rhetoric into his broadcasts, nor do I agree with his opinion that radical Islam is a threat to the US or the world. Anyone reading this blog knows full well where I stand on “what” the significant threat is. Disregarding those two issues, Quayle is a patriot and his insider knowledge is invaluable especially right now.

When someone like Steve Quayle starts recommending the purchase of BACK ROAD ATLASES everyone needs to get their heads out of the sand and pay attention!


Whitewraithe~

Steve Quayle on Gun Confiscation - Part 1 of 3
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=fsKW9dMEjhM&eurl=http://whitewraithe.wordpress.com/2008/12/02/alert-gun-confiscation-maritial-law-and-civil-war-in-america/
The news from Canada is quite alarming also. Is this the start of the annexing of Canada. US and Mexico

[Humble Janitor]

Geez Humble Janitor, chill out a little bit!, first and foremost my guns are for hunting!, and if bubba and his friends break in my house and think they're going to steal my food or hurt friends or family, then my guns are for protection. Guns are not to just go around and shoot people without reason. And if SWAT comes knocking, which isn't going to happen, I'll give them one or two guns and keep the rest hidden. Nobody's knocking anyone for not having guns!

There's no reason to "chill out" when this whole thread makes me :wall:

Amazing how some people value their guns more than other people. :thumbdown:

[Humble Janitor]

You got nearly 600 posts. What choo gonna do if it isnt here? Hmmmm????

Huh? Can you translate that into English for me?

[MMe M]

I will go to my knees never unless physically brought there by violence. I am greater than any one religion, greater than any book, wrinkles.

Why do you suppose you are to bow and pray on your knees to your god? Because you are conditioned to be subserviant, a good little obedient slave. You can get on your knees. Ill live till the end standing with my choices and convictions.

Better to die fighting that good fight than live on your knees.


First you state we better be reading how Warsaw poles survived which I have by the way*. Then you say that history isnt all acadmec. This conversation does nothing but bring conflict and chaos when you constantly push religion, and find conflict just because you dont agree with someone. Are we not greater in age than five?

History is all we have to go by, and the fact that some survied. It is both academic and practical knowledge. You cannot seperate the two in this context.


*I never said I didnt read, merely that my education was public school.

[Swanny]

Blimey after reading this thread I'm glad I don't live in America.

[Humble Janitor]

I will go to my knees never unless physically brought there by violence. I am greater than any one religion, greater than any book, wrinkles.

Why do you suppose you are to bow and pray on your knees to your god? Because you are conditioned to be subserviant, a good little obedient slave. You can get on your knees. Ill live till the end standing with my choices and convictions.

Better to die fighting that good fight than live on your knees.


First you state we better be reading how Warsaw poles survived which I have by the way*. Then you say that history isnt all acadmec. This conversation does nothing but bring conflict and chaos when you constantly push religion, and find conflict just because you dont agree with someone. Are we not greater in age than five?

History is all we have to go by, and the fact that some survied. It is both academic and practical knowledge. You cannot seperate the two in this context.


*I never said I didnt read, merely that my education was public school.

You cannot make friends with people when you label them as sheep, minions or slaves.

I do not follow any god or religion either.

[Baron Cross]

yes right now....

Any info what part of Texas this is happening right now? any links? Thanks

[raulduke]

I'm always confused when I see people shout "fearmongering" at something like this. It's clear that gun confiscation is taking place on some level throughtout the US. That is simply information. If it makes you fearful, then that is your interperitation. You could call it "informationmongering" if u like, I think that would be more suitable. Fear is only your subjective response. You have the power, and if u like, you can give it away, but be aware that you are giving away control as well.
The bottom line is you need to digest info on your own and do w/ it what you will. If u think it's useless then be done w/ it, as it would only be a waste of your time to continue to beat a dead horse so to speak.

To those who disregard this kinda thing because of the realisation that we cannot die: (I agree w/ u btw) We perhaps need your concern most of all because, ‘All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing’.

shi% . Im going to fight for the people. Im a pacifist. you couldnt pay me enough to go fight a war. but bring it home. and the rules change. and I think thay just have. I had about enough of this shi%. its so clear what coming. I fear not. Im mad as hell.:mad3: I would be the first one to fight for the people!!! we need a movement with a quickness. we got to take the power back. Oh im getting it all right. Im just not going to take it. when the shi% rolls. count me in! :lightsabre:

I hear ya brother, feel the same way.:thumb_yello:

I'm here (earth) to live and let live, if you disagree w/ that, then F*** YOU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkuOAY-S6OY) (i won't do what you tell me! :winksmiley02:) , and we have a problem which could escalate in a hurry.

I think our brains are our best weapons in this situation though. A brilliant man once said "When the going gets tough, the tough get wierd." It's in you to outsmart these swine, but you need to first be informed. I've witnessed on the average a very high intellectual quotient among people here, which i'm nearly sure will be the proverbial key to our salvation. With all this brain power focused, we could really do some amazing things I think. I suppose that's why we devour information so voraciously, that we may make use of it at some point.

I can honestly say that no matter how "just" the taking of another's life may seem, I would never take any sense of satisfaction from doing so. Furthermore, I'm not entirely sure if taking any life is ever "just". That said, I'd hate to find myself helpless to defend an innocent life, in that situation, I wouldn't hesitate to shoot first, and deal w/ the cosmic consequences when I must.

I want nothing to do w/ violence, but if it is brought to my doorstep, then rest assured that if I cannot "Macguyver" my way out, I will not go quietly.

Be informed. This is the sound of revolution! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RaohoN5bQqk)

[hueyii]

As far as the FEMA Death Camp coffins go I found some seemingly reliable info. Check this thread: http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=8819

[hueyii]

I'm always confused when I see people shout "fearmongering" at something like this. It's clear that gun confiscation is taking place on some level throughtout the US. That is simply information.

raulduke - Please provide info to back this claim up. It is by no means clear to me.

[Koyaanisqatsi]

:soccer_h4h:


"Do not waste energy waiting for events, being generic and inanimate, your stay will only be
extended.
I might add this which may sound contrary to what I said but read carefully:
When masses are made to believe something negative, they may create what they did not want,
which is how for instance the "NWO" like you people name it, works.
You are believing it is taking shape, so it will take shape and theorists are major players in
helping this taking shape by bombarding you with "facts" that it is taking shape.
Claiming you are giving in power everyday, and they control you more...while in reality you are
in full control.
So the people who are "waking up" to it are the ones who are creating it.
Visualization also works that way around.
But I repeat, even if these things would happen your duty towards the One and yourself still stays
the same."


good points hueyii :wink2:

[hueyii]

Thanks but I'm afraid I was a follower for a long time. Recently I felt foolish when I found that a video I circulated to friends and family turned out to be full of holes. Part of me really wanted to beleive it. Now I have to contact everyone and let them know it is not true.

Everyone, check the stories you read. Be objective. Our natural tendency is to blame others for the mess the world is in. In fact, we are all one and therefore need to take personal resonsibility to make the world better.

Have a nice day...

[raulduke]

Hi huyeii,
There's plenty of info on the net out there about the various ways the gov. is going about trying to covertly and overtly confiscate firearms. "The gov." is a big thing though, so it's not exactly cut and dried across the board state by state. Here's (http://www.google.com/custom?hl=en&client=google-coop&cof=FORID:9%3BAH:left%3BCX:Infowars%2520Search%252 0Engine%3BL:http://www.google.com/coop/intl/en/images/custom_search_sm.gif%3BLH:65%3BLP:1%3BVLC:%23551a8 b%3BGFNT:%23666666%3BDIV:%23cccccc%3B&ad=w9&cx=007184093999670235891:bovcf0egnlm&adkw=AELymgX2BvgT0j6FDUikiCyPVrVVpEjip44WO2mt2KIpd s5YnV7fS_8PmfCLnAgrWC0G2_FyIfW6SUN5sfcm0CK8sHQHtP5 AGl0gQY8EowEpivFxRxv27Ts&rurl=http://infowars.com/search-result.html%3Fcx%3D007184093999670235891%253Abovcf 0egnlm%26cof%3DFORID%253A9%26ie%3DUTF-8%26q%3Dfirearm%2Bconfiscation%26sa%3DSearch%26goo gle_rsg%3D__bQkLoB7zGiYbFAuPEohSGvaxrz0%3D&q=firearm+confiscation&start=0&sa=N) a search result for "firearm confiscation" from infowars, it's a start. I know people will say all kinds of bad things about A. Jones, but infowars stories are mostly culled from mainstream publications.

I started looking into this after I read about what happened in the wake of hurricane katrina. Here's an ABC news report (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFPNTUQyeec)that might get u started.
Those citizens' guns were legal btw.

While it might not be happening in front of your eyes, people are indeed creating things covertly like National Security/Presidential Directive 51. They want to take back what rights we ostensibly still have that may threaten their retention of power, but they realise that we won't just give our rights away, unless we're duped by our lazy/co-opted media. Unfortunately, it seems to be working well for now.

"You are the witness of change, and to counteract, we gotta take the power back." The power is information. Some is here on the web, but it's just a start. Best of luck though, it's damn tedious sifting through all this stuff to get what to you're after (truth).

I couldn't agree more about the need to take some personal responsibility for the current condition of the world we live in, but as far as I can tell, wether we like it or not, some things are simply imposed upon us by a small group who somehow got a leg up on the rest of us a long time ago. I'd say it's just about time to settle the score.

[hueyii]

Hi huyeii,
There's plenty of info on the net out there about the various ways the gov. is going about trying to covertly and overtly confiscate firearms. "The gov." is a big thing though, so it's not exactly cut and dried across the board state by state. Here's (http://www.google.com/custom?hl=en&client=google-coop&cof=FORID:9%3BAH:left%3BCX:Infowars%2520Search%252 0Engine%3BL:http://www.google.com/coop/intl/en/images/custom_search_sm.gif%3BLH:65%3BLP:1%3BVLC:%23551a8 b%3BGFNT:%23666666%3BDIV:%23cccccc%3B&ad=w9&cx=007184093999670235891:bovcf0egnlm&adkw=AELymgX2BvgT0j6FDUikiCyPVrVVpEjip44WO2mt2KIpd s5YnV7fS_8PmfCLnAgrWC0G2_FyIfW6SUN5sfcm0CK8sHQHtP5 AGl0gQY8EowEpivFxRxv27Ts&rurl=http://infowars.com/search-result.html%3Fcx%3D007184093999670235891%253Abovcf 0egnlm%26cof%3DFORID%253A9%26ie%3DUTF-8%26q%3Dfirearm%2Bconfiscation%26sa%3DSearch%26goo gle_rsg%3D__bQkLoB7zGiYbFAuPEohSGvaxrz0%3D&q=firearm+confiscation&start=0&sa=N) a search result for "firearm confiscation" from infowars, it's a start. I know people will say all kinds of bad things about A. Jones, but infowars stories are mostly culled from mainstream publications.

I started looking into this after I read about what happened in the wake of hurricane katrina. Here's an ABC news report (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFPNTUQyeec)that might get u started.
Those citizens' guns were legal btw.

While it might not be happening in front of your eyes, people are indeed creating things covertly like National Security/Presidential Directive 51. They want to take back what rights we ostensibly still have that may threaten their retention of power, but they realise that we won't just give our rights away, unless we're duped by our lazy/co-opted media. Unfortunately, it seems to be working well for now.

"You are the witness of change, and to counteract, we gotta take the power back." The power is information. Some is here on the web, but it's just a start. Best of luck though, it's damn tedious sifting through all this stuff to get what to you're after (truth).

I couldn't agree more about the need to take some personal responsibility for the current condition of the world we live in, but as far as I can tell, wether we like it or not, some things are simply imposed upon us by a small group who somehow got a leg up on the rest of us a long time ago. I'd say it's just about time to settle the score.

Thanks for the response. That ABC report talks about the confiscation that happened after hurricane Katrina. Congress subsequently enacted legisltion to prevent it from happening again. See:

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines06/0714-06.htm


Published on Friday, June 18, 2006 by Reuters
Senate Votes to Bar Emergency Gun Confiscation


WASHINGTON - The U.S. Senate on Thursday voted to prohibit the confiscation of legally owned guns during an emergency like last year's Hurricane Katrina, marking another victory for the gun lobby.

I went to NRA. I figure that if "they" are confiscating guns you will read about it there first. I found contrary information. Gun rights, while still hotly debated, are being excercised at an increasing rate. Citizens are excercising there rights to bear arms without any real issues. I could find nothing there stating that guns are being confiscated anywhere in the US.

Without solid evidence I cant subscribe to the idea that its happening now. In the past I was not critical of stories like this and videos that were popular on youtube. I wont get caught circulating bad information again and will seek proof of things I hear.

We all need to take responsibilty for correcting the mess the world is in and stop blaming others.

I appreciate your response. Please dont take offense. I've just put on disinformation armor and feel empowered by it. :original:

[mntruthseeker]

I appreciate everything that was written on this post. I do not own a gun but wish I did. My fear is having it removed from me and then used on my family. I would want it to hang unto my supplements & food. When that time comes I would rather be dead. I too am not afraid to die, I just want to take care of my family. A mothers instinst.

We that do not have the money to stock up, buy gold or silver,or move have no other options but to set your mind up to just deal with whatever happens.

I pray for all so that it will go fast and easy. Thats all we can do is give it up to God

[Baggywrinkle]

Without solid evidence I cant subscribe to the idea that its happening now.

Gun Control by Confiscation

As the American general population is known to be the most heavily armed in the world, immediately upon the declaration of Martial Law and the execution by the military of counterinsurgency programs, it has been determined that the BATF, will begin the process of rounding up all rifles, pistols and so-called assault weaponry from the civil population. Lists of gun collectors obtained from firearms dealers, gun magazine subscription lists and other sources will be the basis for these mass confiscations. Gun owners will be supplied documentation by the BATF showing which pieces have been confiscated so that in the future, they will be told, they can recover their weapons when the state of emergency has passed. In actuality, weapons that do not have a high value or are not suitable for arming loyalist police forces, will be destroyed by order

http://www.tbrnews.org/Archives/a2899.htm

I have the entire PDF document if you would like me to rapidshare it with you.

There is also a move to ignore the weapons and go for the ammunition through the ammunition accountability act:

This is being introduced in each state

starting with California, New York, Illinois, Hawaii, Maryland, Indiana, Tennessee, and Washington.

See: http://www.ammunitionaccountability.org/Legislation.htm


"No later than January 1, 2011,
all non*coded ammunition for the calibers listed in this act,
whether owned by private citizens or retail outlets,
shall be disposed."



Tennessee

HOUSE BILL 3245

By LARRY J. MILLER

D - Memphis

SENATE BILL 3395

By REGINALD TATE
D - Memphis



AN ACT to amend Tennessee Code Annotated, Title 39, Chapter 17, Part 13,

to enact the “Ammunition Accountability Act”.



BE IT ENACTED BY THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY OF THE STATE OF TENNESSEE:



SECTION 1. This act shall be known and may be cited as the “Ammunition Accountability Act”.



SECTION 2. The general assembly finds the following:

(1) Each year in the United States, more than thirty percent (30%) of all homicides that involve a gun go unsolved;

(2) Handgun ammunition accounts for eighty percent (80%) of all ammunition sold in the United States;

(3) Current technology for matching a bullet used in a crime to the gun that fired it has worked moderately well for years, but presupposes that the weapon was recovered by law enforcement; and

(4) Bullet coding is a new and effective way for law enforcement to quickly identify persons of interest in gun crime investigations.

SECTION 3. For purposes of this act, "coded ammunition" means a bullet carrying a unique identifier that has been applied by etching onto the base of the bullet projectile.

SECTION 4.

(a) All handgun and assault weapon ammunition manufactured or sold in the state after January 1, 2009, shall be coded by the manufacturer.

(b) No later than January 1, 2011, all non*coded ammunition for the calibers listed in this act, whether owned by private citizens or retail outlets, shall be disposed.

JR Moore citing private sources claims that the Barrett
.50 caliber rifle will be on Obama's menu for removal.
If you want one, you'd better get it now. As much as I have been tempted in the past, at seven dollars per shot
it is too dear for my blood. One hundred shots at the range makes for a sore shoulder, and a very expensive day :D
I will just have to settle for .308 which also turns cover into concealment



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWJp14tkBlU
warning: graphic content!
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8236721447208971922



Blimey after reading this thread I'm glad I don't live in America.

Isn't there a campaign in your country to relieve you of your butter knives, since they've already got your firearms?
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/crime/article2284258.ece

In the little bit of time I spent looking for it I was amused by your Antisocial Behavior Act of 2003
You might consider supporting your countryman by buying his book. You could need it one day.
http://www.thehomegunsmith.com/

[Dantheman62]

Quote=Isn't there a campaign in your country to relieve you of your butter knives, since they've already got your firearms?
HaHa good one Bw!:mfr_lol:

[Swanny]

Baggywrinkle it's still perfectly legal for anyone in UK to buy a shot gun.

[Baggywrinkle]

I will go to my knees never unless physically brought there by violence. I am greater than any one religion, greater than any book, wrinkles.

Why do you suppose you are to bow and pray on your knees to your god? Because you are conditioned to be subserviant, a good little obedient slave. You can get on your knees. Ill live till the end standing with my choices and convictions.

Better to die fighting that good fight than live on your knees.


First you state we better be reading how Warsaw poles survived which I have by the way*. Then you say that history isnt all acadmec. This conversation does nothing but bring conflict and chaos when you constantly push religion, and find conflict just because you dont agree with someone. Are we not greater in age than five?

History is all we have to go by, and the fact that some survied. It is both academic and practical knowledge. You cannot seperate the two in this context.


*I never said I didnt read, merely that my education was public school.

If you are as good looking as you are thorny your hubby is one very lucky fellow. I will endeavor to do my best to keep you on the inside of the tent pissing out rather than
outside pissing in.

Baggywrinkle it's still perfectly legal for anyone in UK to buy a shot gun.

Well, then maybe there is still hope. Can you legally buy
one from your neighbor without documenting it or are
you guilty of a crime?

Back to researching home foundry work for my lathe and my cannon.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhER53Mb_T4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SAomnhzif7w
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHZQIAsOtW8

[davefla73]

If they want to take the Guns they will prob ,come up with a reason for people to just want to give them up, crime starvation ect. then they just hand them over, putting them into the ground, wont help they have ground penataing Radar, that can locate them easy, so you cant hide them. if they really want them they will get them! What are you Really going to do if a truck full of troops pulls up and tells you they are taking them? fight? run? hide it? yeah ok dream on, they have high explosives 50cal.'s ect. and lots of troops. the only thing thats stoping it, looks like the fact that people breed like rats and there is just so many people its getting harder to do it, but that might not be enough!

[hueyii]

One at a time here:

As the American general population is known to be the most heavily armed in the world, immediately upon the declaration of Martial Law and the execution by the military of counterinsurgency programs, it has been determined that the BATF, will begin the process of rounding up all rifles, pistols and so-called assault weaponry from the civil population. Lists of gun collectors obtained from firearms dealers, gun magazine subscription lists and other sources will be the basis for these mass confiscations. Gun owners will be supplied documentation by the BATF showing which pieces have been confiscated so that in the future, they will be told, they can recover their weapons when the state of emergency has passed. In actuality, weapons that do not have a high value or are not suitable for arming loyalist police forces, will be destroyed by order

This is not official. I went to the site and you have to buy the complete doc. At the top of the page it says: "Civil insurrection in America and government countermeasures: The official papers" Sounds like they are using fear to persuade people to spend money. I hope you didnt waste yours.

Not a very objective site and if the papers are official you could find them online. I could not find them or references to them. If you have better info on this I'd be interested in seeing it. In the excerpt they show they mention BATF. I used to work there when it was still called that (as a contractor). It has since been divided between the Dept of Treasury and DOJ. BATF does not exist as such anymore.


There is also a move to ignore the weapons and go for the ammunition through the ammunition accountability act:

I read a few of the Bills you mention and they speak of serializing ammunition so it can be easily traced. These are not law yet and will need to be voted on. There is a big lobby against it so we will see. Regardless, they only provide penalties if you own non-coded ammo after a particular date. You can argue that this means the govt will regulate the manufacturing and distribution but that would be stretching the argument. Save that for another thread. A statement was made that they are confiscating weapons now. I still see no evidence. Only conjecture.

If you are worried about guns being taken or ammo distribution being regulated I recommend watching the news portion of the NRA site. Those folks get paid to keep our right to bear (loaded) arms in place.

[MMe M]

If you are as good looking as you are thorny your hubby is one very lucky fellow. I will endeavor to do my best to keep you on the inside of the tent pissing out rather than
outside pissing in.



Well, then maybe there is still hope. Can you legally buy
one from your neighbor without documenting it or are
you guilty of a crime?

Back to researching home foundry work for my lathe and my cannon.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhER53Mb_T4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SAomnhzif7w
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHZQIAsOtW8

That is an incredibly sexist comment. Not atall flatering to yourself or character but I will forgive you the once here. If a girl is homely you cant put up with her being a strong individual? Thats not the routine.

The routine is;

Bud: Dont you want to marry a pretty girl? Of course you do. Every man want to marry a pretty girl.

Lou: No, I dont.

Bud: Your just being stuborn. Every man wants a wife he can show off, be proud of.

Lou: Well I dont. I wanna to marry a homely girl.

Bud: What?! Dont be stupid, no man wants a homely girl to begin with, time makes that happen ocasionally but thats beside the point.

Lou: I'm not stupid. I wanna marry a homely girl. I dont want a pretty girl. Pretty girls are nooooo gooood!

Bud: Ok, I give, why do you want to marry a homely girl?

Lou: Because if you marry a pretty girl and she leaves you (wimper wimper sob), your heart is broken. If you marry a homely girl and she leaves you...so what. Who cares!

Bud: O, get on with ya!




As far as pissing in or around tents, weel my direction is ok but my aim is terrible. Im ill equiped Im afraid but the volume is fine.

[KassandraLoves]

They dont need our guns to keep us from being a threat to them.... They want us to have some of our guns so when the food shortage breaks out, or this recessions worsens, we will take our guns and start using them on eachother.... As someone once told me, "this country is 3 missed meals away from total chaos."

They would rather have us thin ourselves out before they would ever go around and start trying to take guns from your house.... Seriously if that happened here people would be on the streets lighting shi# up.... Not a chance... They are smarter than that... if they want to control us then just starve us and make us come to them for food....

The only thing that a gun is good for right now is hunting and protecting your family against other crazy people who would be trying to come into your house and rob you for your food.

F*cking BRAVO. Well said.

They dont wanna take our guns away! Theyd rather fence in the country and let us kill eachother so that they dont have to do the work. Thats why this war is being waged financially and with foods and other necessary systems. They dont give a cr@p about our guns if theyve got the technologies we know they have! They wouldnt waste a SECOND on guns.

And YES. I will have my guns to fight off the civilians if thats what it comes down to. And really? The weapons I will use when the PTB come knocking at my door (if they ever even do) Will be FAR more powerful than guns and ammo.

And, We MUST MOVE the battle off of the traditional Playing fields. Living With fear and worrying about them coming and taking our material possesions away are exactly what they want. I am not scared at all and I am making this MY GAME. NOT THIERS.

[dagon]

I'm always confused when I see people shout "fearmongering" at something like this. It's clear that gun confiscation is taking place on some level throughtout the US. That is simply information. If it makes you fearful, then that is your interperitation. You could call it "informationmongering" if u like, I think that would be more suitable. Fear is only your subjective response. You have the power, and if u like, you can give it away, but be aware that you are giving away control as well.
The bottom line is you need to digest info on your own and do w/ it what you will. If u think it's useless then be done w/ it, as it would only be a waste of your time to continue to beat a dead horse so to speak.

To those who disregard this kinda thing because of the realisation that we cannot die: (I agree w/ u btw) We perhaps need your concern most of all because, ‘All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing’.



I hear ya brother, feel the same way.:thumb_yello:

I'm here (earth) to live and let live, if you disagree w/ that, then F*** YOU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkuOAY-S6OY) (i won't do what you tell me! :winksmiley02:) , and we have a problem which could escalate in a hurry.

I think our brains are our best weapons in this situation though. A brilliant man once said "When the going gets tough, the tough get wierd." It's in you to outsmart these swine, but you need to first be informed. I've witnessed on the average a very high intellectual quotient among people here, which i'm nearly sure will be the proverbial key to our salvation. With all this brain power focused, we could really do some amazing things I think. I suppose that's why we devour information so voraciously, that we may make use of it at some point.

I can honestly say that no matter how "just" the taking of another's life may seem, I would never take any sense of satisfaction from doing so. Furthermore, I'm not entirely sure if taking any life is ever "just". That said, I'd hate to find myself helpless to defend an innocent life, in that situation, I wouldn't hesitate to shoot first, and deal w/ the cosmic consequences when I must.

I want nothing to do w/ violence, but if it is brought to my doorstep, then rest assured that if I cannot "Macguyver" my way out, I will not go quietly.

Be informed. This is the sound of revolution! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RaohoN5bQqk)


freaking awesome video.

count me in. lets bring these bastards down!

coming from a pacifist.

I avoid all confutation.

but this fight I'm willing to fight.

:dc: :mf_plasmawhore: